If Gas Cars Are Banned, Can The Grid Handle Electric Cars?
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- Can The Power Grid Handle A Surge In Electric Cars?
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If combustion engines are banned, can the electric power grid really handle a surge of electric cars? Let’s dive into the challenges associated with electric car charging, and the infrastructure required for it to happen at scale. We’ll look at the hard numbers based on US drivers, average miles driven, average fuel economy and energy efficiency, electricity production and distribution, how long we have to implement upgrades, average household energy consumption, how power gets to our houses, local grid problems, smart grids, real world examples of where this has happened, and the future challenges facing electric vehicles.
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*Texas's energy grid has left the chat*
yeah well, record freezing temperatures (shutting down infrastructure) is a little different than simply increased power demand.
@@Patrick94GSR actually it's the same. What happens when you lose power? As a Floridian we stock up on gas during hurricane season. Try doing that with batteries 😂
@@ckilgore3983 Once-a-century weather conditions are NOT the same as a balanced power plan, which Texas does not have. The cannot import energy in any significant quantity when they have a shortage. Blame the politicians, not renewable power.
Ask the politicians WHY they deregulated the energy in Texas and failed to require/maintain the infrastructure.
aaaand blackout chimed in !
I remember living in Los Angeles 8 years ago when a heat wave hit and literally street lights, billboards and traffic lights were constantly being shut down so that the grid could make it. No one even owned an EV back then and people drove around in cars to cool off.
I think something similar happened a few months ago
There will always be reasons against innovation, they never hold up but people try again every time
CA must have a really bad electric infrastructure.
shows how incredibly inefficient ACs are, we need to switch to more efficient methods of cooling.
US grid infrastructures are old and outdated.
I agree about your AC comparison. But... Here in California, mid summer CA's infrastructure cannot keep up with AC use alone. Hence our annual rolling black outs
lot easier to shift demand for charging to an off-peak period than cooling. also what annual rolling blackout? fake news made a big deal out of this summer's worst ever heatwave but they avoided blackouts with one simple trick: a text message. lol. big brain texas collapsed with a little bit of snow.
A/C runs all day and half the night...in many parts of the country.
@@ericdahl696 Where I live, which is in a desert, in summer the normal high is greater than 100F and the normal low is greater than 80F. Therefore the air conditioning runs 24 hours per day. However, I have a split unit in the master bedroom so I can keep it cool enough and let the rest of the house stay a bit warmer. That at least saves some energy. During winter the system acts as a heat pump. Because the low temperature during winter is rarely lower then 40F, air source heat pumps work quite well.
I heard about that in the news. And accoding to what I read, CA has 1M EV cars, a long way from the ICE cars there. EV owners deny it all.
You can't avoid brining human overpopulation into any energy discussion, but growth is treated as a given. That's a big problem.
In 2015, we started installing Mr. Fusion home kits along with 1.21 GW flux capacitors. If they haven't made it to your neighborhood yet, be on the look out for a guy named Marty.
When they go kaboom they'll send your house back to the future
As a norwegian I find your examples from Norway interesting. As you say, yes we can handle it today, but just barely at times. This past month it has been very cold, and prices for kwh has gone through the roof. Energy companies have trouble coping with the peaks and tells EV owners to charge at night. However,...the politicians have got electricity on their brains, and EVERYthing shall be electric in the not so distant future. Boats, ferries, lorrys, buses, excavators, chain saws, tractors, motor bikes, and within 2040 all domestic aviation shall be electric if dreamers are right. Will the grid struggle then?? Oh yes...
And still with over 50% of new car sales -- EV cars in Norway are only ~~6%~8% of all vehicles (and probably top of the share from country fleet worldwide)
There are 2.8 milion registered passanger cars and overall 5.6 milion of vehicles registered (including trucks, tractors, bikes, mopeds, snow scooters, buses etc.) --- and even with 54% of all new vehicle sales that's only about ~~100 thousand new EV every year. So it would take about 20 years to change only half of cars in Norway to electric.
In 2020 there was only (with the high market share in new cars over 50% in new car sales) 346,921 battery cars and 142,858 hybrid vehicles (plug in) -- this is only half a milion of ev + plug in hybrids from 5.6 vehicles overall (so that gives 6% of all cars are BEV or 8,7% are BEV or hybrid), that is a large number of EV cars but not so impressive compared to number of cars overall.
Norway also produces very clean energy due to nature (97% of country elecricity comes from hydroplants/waterdams) - not every country has that. So it makes more sense to switch. But there is also very cold for a few months winter and you have to plug in the car for the night to keep battery warm or have it stored in a warm garage. (EV left for more than 24h in -20 Celcius = lost guarantee on battery pack (Tesla?)?)
So they taxed ICE cars to be more expensive than EV (normal Golf did cost more than EV Golf years ago)- this is half of the success but the switch is happening not because people wanted ev's or they were cheaper but due to tax reasons :) Still a nice experiment to see. Hope that won't end like every other socialistic experiment :P
“Will the grid struggle then?” - probably _not,_ because in Norway we have it stupidly easy to get at much more electric energy: by further expanding the hydropower capacity, and wind could provide the same amount again - at least if it weren't for the fact that most regions don't want to have the turbines in their nature.
I would agree however that most _other_ countries would indeed struggle to get to a comparable level of electrification, short of building lots of new nuclear plants.
@@leftaroundabout Nope. You shouldn't have problems - that's why EVs in Norway make more sense. As at night the usage is probably minimal, and you don't have to use AC in your home at summer (if at all) that much due to climate. What is the main heat source for homes ? Natural gas or wood or something else ?
What about cooking? Do you cook with gas or electricity? How do you heat buildings? With gas or what?
That's the problem, the government that always wants to speed up things just because THEY want.
"No problem, we just need 30% more power" would be much more convincing if California and New York were not having trouble serving their current needs.
Ny has no power issues
Your calculations left out an obvious factor: most families here in Florida have a minimum of 2 cars and run A/C round the clock about 75-80% of the year. I presume Arizona, Texas, California and parts of other states do the same. Therefore your estimate of per household usage of energy needs to be doubled plus. Also, you did not address the issues of EV trucking, railroad, busses, and taxi's. I have yet to hear how transcontinental flight, much less international flight is going to work as all electric! So far I've only seen one ultra-light aircraft powered by batteries. It could carry only the pilot, and had a range of 2 hours. Do you propose returning to sailing ships for international travel?
@@gregolusczak3495 hydrogen fuel cell makes more sense than EV semis
It hurts TX too in that a lot of "new arrivals" are from CA & NY, thus putting more of a burden on an already overwhelmed system.
The result will be Disaster yet again.
The cold weather "occasions" are occurring with more frequency seemingly. Does anybody have TX weather data proving Brutal cold snaps are happening more frequently?
You can thank overregulation for that one.
There are 2 major grids in USA, East & West. Those were meant to last only 40-50yrs from 1960. It’s already 2022. Also keep in mind Los Angeles not only want electric cars but also electric semi trucks. We have one of the largest ports meaning the most semi trucks. I want to see how the politicians will handle this upgrade. In the summer a few years back in Northridge my sister lived across the street from the electric plant that exploded bc everyone was using the ac at night. Let’s see how it h does semi trucks being added to that grid
You're so right! I read that the average age for a high voltage transmission tower in California is over 70 years old
Do you think wires wear out???
@@loremipsum5759 In a sense, yes. The wires suffer from fatigue and oxidation as does the rest of the grid.
@@johncooper4637 Don't forget thermal stress.
This ends badly, we’re going to find out the hard way that the electric grid and renewable generation won’t support electricity demand and high penetration of EVs. Lessons learned from what’s happening in Europe will be ignored by many in the US
In the US when there are hot weather conditions throughout the country and everyone is running their air conditioner, there are rolling blackouts. Now just imagine everyone trying to charge their EV at the same time on top of that, it's not gonna end well.
Time to go nuclear, push fusion through the fossil industry blockade, and learn how to coexist enough not to bomb each other's nuclear power plants.
@@BillAnt I literally just read an article about CA power officials begging people to reduce power use when the grid is overworked the most (4pm to 9pm) yet they think the grid can handle EVERY car being electric. Ya that sounds smart.
Then should we upgrade our infrastructure?
This analysis leaves out several critical points:
1. Average home likely has 2 cars.
2. Where does the electricity come from? Most likely gas or coal.
3. Over the life of an EV, there is a much larger carbon output than an internal combustion engine vehicle (when factoring how much carbon is produced during manufacturing and charging cycles)...on average 20 tons more per car. So, not really a "green" solution. If you actually care about the overall environmental impact, a hybrid is a much more "green" solution. Less overall carbon output than EV or ICE over the useful life of the vehicle.
4. Human behavior. You are assuming people are going to follow the charging limitations....they simply won't...for a variety of reasons.
5. The EV hype is a big fat lie! A placebo. It will continue to be a giant scam until power grids are generating electricity from a source other than coal or gas...which represents like 95% of the power plants in the U.S.
What's really amazing is he's talking all these numbers while driving.
If I have a really difficult problem on my mind, I'll often do the same thing while driving my otherwise empty car. What I find amazing is that he doesn't take momentary pauses when something on the road demands his attention.
He's an engineer. It's just a simple maths on a subject he most know in depth. But I agree....I would have a hard time doing the same !
Yes, makes me forgive his division error: 30/4=7.5 yrs, not 6.5 years 😉
@@lent6114 Well, interest of interest (exponential development). He even put up the formula in the video. So the ~6.5 is correct (it is 6.69 years).
@@jensageholm8774 I see what I did. Thought he was just averaging the increase. On a 40 year basis for the five-fold increase, it's 4.11% annual increase. So, closer to 6.51 years to increase our production by 30% at that rate. Thanks for the correction.
The electrical code only allows a certain amount of load to be on certain sizes of conductors, transformers, breakers, etc. Increasing load would require major upgrades to electrical infrastructure which takes years and a lot of money. You can't just put a constant 1800VA load on each house in the neighborhood and hope the pole transformer fuse won't blow.
Or the transformer its self doesn't blow. Pretty neat when they do.
Will blow for sure
Each home + 2 EV is 200% power increase, DOUBLE
So DOUBLE the poles and wires to the streets and homes.
DOUBLE the power plants capacity.
DOUBLE the size of the main grid transmission lines.
But with ALL transportation electric, then say TRIPLE POWER PLANTS,
TRIPLE poles and wires,
TRIPLE main grid.
Now EV batteries are huge, 100kwh soon. And For the long trip.
The Daily drive is only 7kwh for the majority.
The automatic plug in gizmo will be the killer invention for the EV.
The EV can be plugged in 24/7, except for the daily drive or rush hour.
The EV can trade power and stability with the grid for money.
Every building is connected to the grid.
Every rooftop with solar pv can be connected to the grid.
Petroleum is a strategic military reserve asset for war fighting and emergencies.
Solar and renewable energy is dramatically improving energy supply.
Distributed power supply from the ends of the grid would mean the existing grid would not need to expand. $2million / klm.
Power Plants world not need to expand at $2BILLION EACH .
Poles and wires would not have to expand at $????/ klm.
For concentrated power supply then nuclear power plants at $billions and billions and billions . And decades and decades and decades.
And massive financial burden for 60 to 100years.
Too expensive to ever turn off before ROI and profits. Government guarantee profit would be required.
Insurance will not be available.
If CO2 reduction by the world then every country will have nuclear industries . 100,000 min,
The USA is the biggest target in the world.
Nuclear weapons and nuclear winter.
Military costs increase massively and national budgets.
ALL ENGINEERS MUST THINK ABOUT ALL COSTS INCLUDING EXTERNAL COSTS, climate destabilisation, military costs, distribution costs, generation costs, nuclear winter costs.
75 years of nuclear non proliferation WAS the biggest thing for decades.
Think, think, think 🤔
ANYBODY CAN HALF THINK , and just live in a fantasy.
Then too what about regional distribution? And will the house's power system handle the added load?
Utility fusing doesn’t fallow electrical “safety“ code…they are normally fused at 200-300% more than what consumers fusing requires..Utility fusing is designed to protect the supply of power not the hardware.If a single piece of equipment fails and hydro for the rest of the grid is still energized it’s working perfectly.
Here in California they are going to outlaw natural gas fired furnaces starting next year. Also, I believe all new homes here are required to be completely electric with no natural gas appliances at all. That is when things are going to get interesting.
Especially considering Cali already has grid crisis situations with the demand for power consumption now reaching higher than the energy being produced now lol.
Never happen at hospitals, schools etc. Its BS.
No, here in CA, gas furnaces will NOT be outlawed next year. People who have gas furnaces can continue to use them. However, it looks as though using gas will be outlawed in NEW buildings and new buildings will not be provided with gas. But until the electricity supply becomes more reliable, I see that as unreasonable. It would even be impossible to have a natural gas generator for emergency power.
Although CA has been very forward looking and ahead of the rest of the country in many areas, there have been serious mistakes. One of the mistakes was shutting down nuclear plants for no good reason. The nuclear plants were already paid for and were generating cheap carbon free power.
I myself have a heat pump which works quite well and is not unduly expensive to operate here in the desert.
@@awesomegaming8617 True, and largely because of closing down nuclear plants. That was a big mistake.
And Here in L.A they have to do rolling blackouts because too many people had their A/C on. So unless they fix the power grid, this whole “push for EV everything” is doa.
If everyone ran an AC every day for 4 extra hours than they normally do, I'm not sure the grid could take it The key phrase there is "more than they normally do" - a 50% increase in power usage for all citizens is significant.
The total amount of power used is not the issue. More power demand than supply is. If those 4 extra hours are during the low demand phase at night, the grid would have no issues. And since people running there AC actually is causing the highest point in demand, rznning them longer doesn't increase peak demand, just the average.
Depends on if you are topping off and use a low charge rate overnight vs drive the entire capacity of the battery and need fast charging for high daily use.
*One average home A/C unit (3-4KW) is just a fraction of what a fast charger demands (20+KW)*
You could turn on your AC +Water Heater, + Clothes Dryer + your OVEN to maybe draw 80 amps at 230VAC to equal a fast charger (that is just 20KW). High end fast charging is well above that rate.
Now imagine all the sudden that 30% to 50% of your neighbors did that at the same time.
The power grid wasn't built for that. Not in the residential areas.
@@PsalmFourteenOne Assuming they increased the power generation capacity by 30% so that everyone could have their electric cars. They'd need to implement a forced schedule on when people are allowed to charge their cars which isn't practical for most people. There's going to be days where you take that extra long trip and get screwed because it's "not your turn" to charge your car. It's just going to become chaos.
@TheMagache Exactly.
This is not about the environment. If is about control.
Which is why the hate self sufficient off grid homes
@@PsalmFourteenOne precisely what they want. They want you locked down unable to charge your car and unable to leave
the most impressive feat i find in this video is the consistent ability to recite numbers and facts while driving at the same time
I was thinking the same thing!
I thought the same. I was wondering if he had a cheat sheet on the windshield.
Because he is not a fake engineer who just got the diploma's.
The sums are not very hard, and he did the research and worked out the answers beforehand. Anyone properly numerate can do this, given the presentation practice someone like Jason has had. (Without that practice it'll have an awful lot of 'erm's in it and be noticeably less clear).
@@motorpsykler thats a good point... notice that he drives down a winding rural road, and he does not drive on urban streets with many intersections, road signs , traffic, etc etc
so in the place of where other people might put a GPS, he could have a tablet with a teleprompter scrolling the script for him
Utility electrical engineer here: You missed a huge category - lack of transmission infrastructure. We lack the long distance transmission line capacity to move power from where renewable energy is being produced, to the cities where it will be used. So we can have enough generation, and the local grid can have the capacity to handle the peak load, but there may be no way to get the power from the point of generation to the point of consumption due to lack of capacity on the bulk electric system (BES).
There you go with fact and logic. Albeit very true.
@@timstone3441 Facts and logic are ignored in the world of EVs and politicians currently.
Bingo, perhaps this dreamer needs to go back to the drawing board. It's OK he graduated from the same University Joe O'biden failed economics and you see where that got us. We don't need electric cars and loose our freedom. Think of allowing the government to further dictate us like the gas shortage and baby food shortage. The stupidity has to stop. So go get a job...
Need to build out a network of HVDC lines. These are more immune to solar flares, EMP etc. There's a few in operation already to move power from up north in Canada down to southern California. Lookup Pacific DC Intertie. Another good thing about HVDC is it doesn't depend on the grid frequency to remain in sync, if the system frequency starts getting unstable, it can start a widespread cascading blackout like in the northeast in 2003. By using DC for interstate transmission it would help to isolate these type of incidents to prevent the entire grid section from collapsing.
@@brnmcc01 It’s the age old problem of trying to move DC vs moving AC. Transmission loss is a real problem. I agree the lack of transmission capacity is part of the problem. But the biggest problem in the Grid is the ability to at will increase output when demand spikes. Increased demand is what causes black and brown outs.
Bit of a slight-of-hand going on with the rate of electricity increase calculations here. From 1960 to 2000, we went from generating (relatively) small amounts of electricity to generating huge amounts of electricity. Since you're starting with a small number, the percent increase is going to be large as a matter of course. But, now that we're starting with a large number, subsequent percent increases only come from massive absolute increases. By analogy, if I do one pushup on day one and 10 on day two, I've increased the number I've done by 1000%. However, if I did 20 push-ups on day 3, I would only have increased my total by 100%..
Great point. Assuming linear rate of increments is unrealistic. But it certainly aids the persuasion of the viewpoint does it not.
There are also a lot of variables like how was the grid built for and how much upgrades have been done. For all we know, the electrical system may have been placed for a certain maximum of electrical use and hasn’t reached yet. You can only transport so much electricity at once, so even if there is enough electric to go around, can the grid move it around fast enough to everyone so here are no disruptions?
Love your videos, and I'm not against evs. However, your second argument about the local grid and residential charging states that it is based on one vehicle per household. I don't know the number, but I bet the average American household has at least 2 vehicles. So wouldn't this multiply your calculations by at least 200%? Also, it would be nice to hear the avg cost per KWh, ang how much it would cost people to charge 2 or 3 cars. Finally, having experience in nuclear power generation, I think a lot of your assumptions may be a little off. energy production has indeed increased since 1960, but the transmission grid have seen very.little upgrades and is showing it's age. That infrastructure would def need to be upgraded.
Cars per household is important, but not so much. What matters is the number of cars existing. As for charging while home, I don't see it as much as a problem. Your point is a bit like saying "what if I drive my 2 cars to a gas station ? wouldn't it be more difficult to refuel ?"
--> YEs of course, but why would you do that ?
you can decide when to charge (EV) your car. IF it really creates a problem.
I don't know about USA but in Europe we have elecriticy contracts that have different costs depending on the charging hour (example: you pay 5 times less if you charge at night). Those contracts will evolve depending on the grid and demands.
So you can always adapt.
It's not black and white of course: if you're working all day, you need to charge your car at night. IF it needs charging (with a higher autonomy, you can wait, and maybe charge it during the weekend at day light for example).
There is a lot of moving parts.
Point is electricity is NOT fuel. => if ALL EV charge at the same time, it IS an issue. But that wont' happen. If they charge at different time, the weight on the grid is way less.
For Fuel, it is different.
What does the gridd have anything to do with it. Just build some overunity homopolar motor generator n-machine(Bruce Depalma). or a T Henry Moray plasma machine Edwin grey pulsed discharge 2 stroke powered motor. there are many more but all tap the aetheric vacuum ZPE energy wich has 10^94 grams/cc electromagnetic energy density. Moray B Kings books descibes all this and Tom bearden is well versed in ZPE energy.All these A ZPE powered electromagnetic sytems will give much more energy and HP then what were led to belief. I dont see what the obsession of a grid for all this stuff.
Great idea… make US 100% dependent upon EVs…. Don’t improve our grid capabilities/capacities, AND do nothing to improve our grids ability to resist cyber/EMP/solar flare/mechanical attacks… what does this do? Very minimally affects anything in a positive way AND makes us even more vulnerable to throw us back to the Middle Ages when the elites truly ruled the peasants…. Not to mention more dependency on questionable foreign powers for things like the batteries necessary to carry out this plan….Nice, we’ll thought-out plan…if that is your idea of a good idea….
When someone sits down and actually contemplates ALL of the issues EVs really have to overcome, the answer is: By all means, continue the research on improving ALL technologies we use for energy (both current AND those that are on the drawing board) fix the weaknesses of the grid, and gradually move toward the newer/better energy/technologies as they become truly feasible…. And before you use the flamethrower on my post here, please consider the environmental impact that its use will have on climate change…😬😬😬
fwiw, here's my math. admittedly an extreme example. but it is my situation. Oklahoma resident. Presently we average ~30miles/day. our most used vehicle is a 2001 V8 Sequoia. 12.6mpg city/16.3mpg hwy. Let's call it 14mpg average. Right this instant we pay ~$3.3/gal for regular. So... (30days) * (30 miles/day) / (14mpg) * (3.30 $/gal) = $212.14 per month. A Model Y get's ~3.1 mi/kWh. (way easier units than the 111-129 MPGe). Variable rate EV plans in my area are $0.197/kWh peak hours and $0.026/kWh 11pm to 6am. Soo... if I could successfully only trickle charge from 11pm to 6am then: (30days) * (30 miles/day) / (3.1 mi/kWh) * (0.026 $/kWh) = $7.55 per month.
edit, 3mos later: in the Oklahoma heat and our driving style we get like 2.9 to 3.3 mi/kWh. not the 3.5 originally stated.
@@paulbeinke7242Your overnight electric is 2.6 cents per kw?
In Sweden where it´s pretty cold at the moment, goverment has actually told us to not run the vacuum cleaner and other power hungry stuff. In the same time they decommisionned a nuclear power plant. Aaaand they use heavy tax on ICE cars to make us buy electric cars. It´s a bit worrying.
All the numbers can make sense, but the governments don't make decisions based on pure numbers.
What's "pretty cold" in Sweden? Below the boiling point of nitrogen?
Love your back of the envelope calculations. I got my electrical engineering degree in 1970 and worked for an electric utility for 30 years. I then spent another 15 years working as a consultant to electric utilities, my specialty was remote monitoring and control. While I would be the last to say this problem "is beyond the capability or the American engineer," I would like to point out some issues which you either neglected or glossed over too lightly. I think the key is we have to begin today to solve this problem. Because the electric utility industry is so capital intensive, the old system of public utility regulation, allowed the utility to plan five ten or even 20 years into the future and and make a reasonable profit on that investment. Today we are leaving generation and and a lot of transmission investment to the non-regulated segment which is not promised a reasonable return on their investments. Solar, wind, geothermal and other renewables are great, but some additional base-load is needed too. In the 60's, 70's and 80's many utilities built "fat" into their systems. This "fat" (allowed for the planning for reasonable contingencies) served several purposes. A flatter demand curve is not necessarily always a good thing for the grid. Starting in the 90's that "fat" was sacrificed in the name of cheaper rates. Automation on the distribution side has helped with not having the "fat." Those off-peak hours are important for maintenance (and construction.) I don't know, not my area, but I would look at what running a transformer at a higher load for more hours a day is going to do to the life of that transformer. Utilities are going to need engineers to design, build and operate system additions. Last time I checked we were not turning out new engineers at a good rate and new engineers were not knocking down the doors of electric utilities. I have been completely retired for over five years now, and I am still getting calls wanting me to come back to work because they can't find people. One final point, Norway's scaling problem is not quite the same. I think the absolute numbers, not just the ratios or percentages, do make a difference too. I will close by saying, that you are right, it can be done. And I say it must be done. I just think there is a little more to it.
Not a problem, just hire a bunch of Journalism or Psychology majors who have minored in Woman's Studies. They are still looking for work anyhow.
I agree we can do it and it has to be done. I agree with your comment. I think our grid needs to be upgraded long before electric cars are the norm.
Build nuclear power stations. They are safe, clean and combined with an upgraded grid will help.
@@CountryCraziness there is a lot of anti nuclear power people out there. They seem to believe wind and solar can do it all. Nuclear power is a viable option when the wind isn't blowing and sun aren't shining.
I believe MIT is close to getting a nuclear fusion to becoming a reality.
Agreed, a higher average load will affect life of components so new components will need to be re-designed to higher standards. The great news is we do have some time and it will slowly work itself out. It will take a couple decades to scale battery production to the extent that 100% new vehicles are EVs, so even doubling his calculation of 6.5 years to 13 years will be fine. Home and Grid batteries will help equalize the load and will be cheaper than peaker plant construction/running costs and major plant long term maintenance. They will also react quicker and be smarter in distribution.
Great learning for me. I am sure for others as well. Thanksa for the facts, sharing your findings from your research that is, not blowing smokes out of your exhausts!! True for all of your videos.
I just found this channel and subscribed immediately. Not because of the solid content, or the solid data, or even the fact he was able to bust out math equations on the top of his head. But because of all of the above and he was able to do it so casually while going for a Sunday drive without batting an eye lid or missing a word.
Yes, same thoughts, I figured there is no way he has a prompter here, he is a very intelligent young guy rattling all this stuff out of his head while doing a nice country drive, and makes very interesting points also.
Green Screen ... :)
@@luckyguy600 🤣
I have driven this exact drive 100’s of times in my EV’s and 🏍 motorcycles.
I was on the Board of the OEVA Oregon Electric Vehicle 🚗 Association and remember this EV enthusiast from then.
Our conversations were on this topic to the point we could all share the numbers by memorization
I have driven this exact drive 100’s of times in my EV’s and 🏍 motorcycles.
I was on the Board of the OEVA Oregon Electric Vehicle 🚗 Association and remember this EV enthusiast from then.
Our conversations were on this topic to the point we could all share the numbers by memorization
"You want more energy, they'll sell it to you. I don't think that is an issue." Jason has apparently never heard of California.
He's talking about the United States, not California, wherever that is.
California produces too much electricity, they have to pay Nevada to take some off their hands. Most of CA's power outages are because PG&E find it cheaper to just shut off people's power when it's windy or hot and dry so they don't spark another fire rather than updating their powerlines.
CA screwed up by building so much generation without enough storage, but at least some of the blame lies upon their for profit power company.
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@@visionsofpromise ello
5:45
So glad the population is going down
Appreciate the info, you're a good explainer.
As a California resident, I fear the day that CA mandates EVs for everyone here, because we are closing plants and importing power already, and rates are only climbing. Not to mention the "aging infrastructure" and the problems caused by that, other than the spectacular seasonal wildfires. CA energy demand is currently "unsustainable" but rather than build more base line power plants, they are increasing the power they buy from other states.
As for "predictable" solutions, the only things in CA that is predictable, are vast cost overruns, corruption and delays.
As a fellow Ca resident, I agree.
AZ thanks you for your business!!
As Californians. To solve a lot of our problems we need to do one simple thing. ... take Gavin Newsom and put him on the moon far far away. He is a socialist corrupt scumbag. He must go soon
We are in a similar situation in Portugal, without any baseline sources like Nuclear, only Natural Gas as a dispatchable, and increasing reliance on the intermittent RES and on Imported energy from the rest of Europe.... Just like California...More info in my comment above
For a start you could revisit the early closure of the Diavolo-Canyon NPP
Wow! From the point of the camera, it seems that entire presentation was done from memory. Maybe there were notes on the dash but it doesn't seem they were frequently referred to during the drive in some beautiful area. What a genius Jason is.
Wow! Very observant, I’m impressed that I didn’t think of the same thing. I usually notice that kinda stuff.
You always do such a great job of explaining things That average people don’t consider. Your channel is one of my favorites. Keep up the good work! I believe that countries like Norway also use Waste heat from the Power plants to hit their homes.
Great video. Thanks for creating this.
One big difference between 1960-2000 compared to today is the “war” on coal and nuclear. It was much easier to build either type of powerplant in 1960 or even 1980 than it is today.
Michigan has closed at least 15 coal plants since 2015 and on track to close 10 more by 2025.
Plus we just idled a nuclear plant.
We’re losing lots of capacity and not replacing it.
Michigan should go hard into nuclear and hydro power production, and with all the people out there cutting out their production and not building new power sources, Michigan should take advantage of the situation while ensuring our own stability. Use the state's official powers to safely streamline and highly cost-effectively install many new high-capacity plants.
@@cobaltclass. Michigan is flat. How are they going to get hydro power. You need mountains at least the size of the Ozarks to build resovoirs. But then you're flooding entire towns and hundreds of square miles. Imagine the environmental impact. To save the planet we'll destroy the environment.
@@cobaltclass. Hydro is great but they are tearing down dams because of the environmental harm they are doing! Nobody wants nuclear in their backyards even though they are very safe.
@@cobaltclass. So where would put a dam on the The Detroit river? Somewhere on the St Clair river? You do realize ocean going ships also use the Duluth / Atlantic route along the St Lawrence Seaway?
When I approached a flock of No nukes, No guns, numb breasted, the air is being poisoned all that, hens with this. The decisions you make today will decide whether your grandchildren and great grandchildren will A. Glow in the dark. B. Starve to death. C. Freeze to death. You would have thought they all just laid eggs.
That was in 1975. Having college level education in electricity, electronics, mechanical engineering, chemistry and biosciences sucks. As for Norway it is as about as big as New Mexico. 2.5 million people live in New Mexico. 5 million live in Norway. Norway has around 50 hydro power stations. Just guessing about 50% generate more than or equal to 250 Mega watts.
Michigan I think has one or two 30 Megawatt hydro stations. The rest are smaller and most are in the UP.
And with Biden's war on domestic energy production the problem will be even worse...
In my neighborhood each pad mount transformer feeds four houses. The transformer cannot handle an additional 8 Type II chargers. It's OK if one person gets an electric car. A lot has to be figured out before we can all adopt the new tech. You can't just "pass a law".
A new law of physics, like "everything is possible if you wish enough," would do it.
@@flagmichael politicians are playing to peoples emotions… they act like the only reason way things are is because the people of won’t let me. “But when I get in power, I will change these arbitrary rules. “
there are peak hours, the cars can charge during non peak hours. If you need to charge now then use a quick charger
Kevin here dropping some simple logic and real world situations.
@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 Charging cars make whatever time they are charging peak hours. THis idea of just charge them at night is not well thought out.
Great video, enlightening as your videos consistently are. Sorry to divert from the topic but where were you driving?
Good video with lots of information. Your point near the end of the video about those who live in apartments (like myself) wouldn't be able to charge at home, is very true. The apartment building I reside in doesn't have 120v standard outlets outside for plugging in to the engine block to keep the engine warm during the winter.
Get a $50 month storage unit, put solar panels on its roof and lock the MPPT controller, Batteries and Inverter inside. Leave your car there and use your e-bike to commute to your apartment,
A problem I have with his analysis is the increase in power production between 1960 and 2000. That was then and this is now, as they say. Working in the field, I know that a big reason for that increase was building new, coal-fired, natural gas, and nuclear plants. These are all things which the proponents of electrical cars oppose and are being shut down. Switching to solar and wind power is not going to bring any big increases in power production and, in fact, will lead to decreases. Just ask Texas and California.
Well said. Living in Texas myself I know I was shocked to learn how much renewable energy Texas actually uses!!
Solar and wind are super jank.. For one, their capacity factors are junk, usually 30% and even less. A Nuke plant has over 90% capacity factors. Meaning that for the same average output, you need 3 times the nameplate capacity of a Nuclear power plant, spending much more area and resources.(Kashiwazaki-Kariwa NPP, almost 8GW in 1000 acres, a thermal solar power plant in California is less than 400MW in 3500 acres.). Most potent PV panels available at the moment are 650W, with an area of around 2m2, almost 3, just do the math, especially considering the need for triple capacity. Not to mention both long term and short term backups and energy storage. You basically need to get a bunch of batteries for immediate backup, and either pumped hydro(which is limited by rainfall) or water electrolysers to produce Hydrogen/synthetic fuel synthetizers coupled with a classic thermal plant (could use the NG plants for Hydrogen) or something to turn that stored energy back to electricity. Sounds expensive, and resource and land intensive
What's the point of EV's if that additional 30 to 50% increase in power production is accomplished by coal and CCNG plants unless you go nuclear. The whole man made climate change scare is a complete fraud. At the very least gas electric hybrids are a reasonable interim solution.
The scale of the problem is also a huge obstacle. It's easy for small systems to grow 30%, but very hard, or maybe impossible, for an already large mature system to grow 30%.
@@malcolmt7883 Depends on what you use for the build-up in capacity. There are Nuclear reactors up to 1.5GW and more. Deploy 10 and you get 15GW of an high capacity factor source. But anyway I don't think that this is the only needed solution for the overnight charging problem, or the fast charging one for the matter. The main solution is on-site microgeneration and storage deployment. Mandate that every EV owner has a storage battery and solar panels/ small wind turbines at home, and that every public charging station does the same thing. This is because not only the generation capacity needs an increase, but the whole transmission network would also need a major upgrade. Transformers, splitters, powerlines.. .. Not to mention that fast charging draws a lot of power in relatively small amounts of time, so for a transmission network to handle this along with the normal stuff it's going to be a little weird. Deploying microgeneration and storage on site attenuates this issue.
This transition if it's not done properly and sustainably the electricity distribution will be hot garbage(cough California). Blackouts galore and the rates will be absolutely ridiculous.
Hi, I live in Norway. We currently have a lot of EVs on the road and a very cold winter, which means a lot more expensive electricity (about 7 to 10 times more expensive than in summer). This hasn't created an energy problem, but a power problem. Some areas in our country simply don't have enough power for new power hungry industries to establish themselves because it would overload the grid. Another reason for this is because we decided to electrify our oil platforms, which is silly since we could just burn natural gas from the fields themselves, but now it's just exported and burned abroad. And sure, if you change all petrol cars into EVs, you'll need more energy and power. But you'll also shut down some refineries and other petroleum industry infrastructure that consumes a lot of electricity. That will mitigate some of the problems. There's also an issue with too much power consumption in the morning and afternoon as you mentioned, so we need a smarter grid where some power can be used at night instead.
why would refineries use much electricity and why would anyone charge in the morning or afternoon if electricity is cheapest at night?
but if everyone is charging by night, it's not cheap anymore....
7x more expensive at winter is just mind blowing, it's almost as all lakes you have are frozen and then you have almost no power. and here's this american praising you....
Thanks Agent Smith "Hi, we are Norway. We are a massive fossil fuel producer, but we stay off our junk. Like all smart pushers."
@@ivok9846 the Norwegian lakes _are_ all frozen, but that doesn't stop the hydro plants from working. - Yes, the price fluctuations are a bit crazy, but this January really is exceptional in that regard. Normally, Norwegian electricity is hardly more expensive than in the US, and in spring and summer it's actually much cheaper.
Yep, some times one fix is not a fix at all but just pushing it down the line.
@@leftaroundabout Hi, where are you getting your prices? Norwegian electric prices are about double of that in America. You can't just look st the cost of a kilowatt, and ingnore the "net" cost. The prices in America is power plus net, here the only talk about the power price while ignoring the net.
I would like to see an update on what BI-Directional On-Board-Charging will do to change this as it's rolled out.
I'm in engineering at school and for fun we just calculated if we could place 1 supercharger (one of those highly fast charging ones) in our capital city ... and if we would do that we found out that the whole power grid of the city could not handle it ... and that's just for 1 supercharger
The electricity consumption is no problem ... but the amount of power it pulls from the grid in order to charge your car at such a fast speed?
"It's something that's predictable"
*Texas made this statement not age well in less than a week*
I know its when they declared the Titanic the unsinkable ship before the maiden voyage.
Texas is having once-a-century weather conditions. Power lines break, roads are impassable. Texas didn't have good backup systems, nor can they import energy through their grid.
i mean it kinda was though, texas was hit with a slightly less cold snap in 2011 that froze oil and shut down plants but they refused to weatherize their power lines or bury water lines below the frost line
@@MySuperman112 You are absolutely correct! Utilities never fix their reliability unless made to do so. Many utilities even claim they're allocating funds to bury power lines but never do.
@@justsomeguy934 All true but it's worth noting that the Pacific Northwest has experienced literally dozens of "once-in-a-century" floods over the last couple of decades. Along with several "once-in-five-century" floods. Global climate change makes such labels rather laughable.
Thank you for addressing this! Every time I talk about electric cars, the grid is one of the first things people want to talk about. I'll be sharing this video a lot haha. Loved the air conditioning example too!
It definitely could work in some areas but realistically it’s a long shot in major cities and rural areas
@@bradenmchenry995 You are wrong! Watch the video for fucks sake!
@@damijanapopotnik8081 I did watch the video bro
If you watched the video he goes into the adoption rates and off setting peak charging loads to balance the grid. This is not an unpredictable/insurmountable issue. "Electrics" are just better. The end.
Lol, 4 % increase every year, so for cars we just hold all our power consumption and only use that 4 % increase in production for cars, and that's the only one arguement that is just bull, dont have the time to type all,
Awesome video. I thought it was a brilliant idea to present the information while driving through what appeared to be a National Park, or something similar. This kept a sometimes dry presentation that is full of data and numbers mixed with very interesting scenery. You either have a wonderful memory on how to present all of that information while driving, or some type of heads up teleprompter. Regardless, the information was great, and a wonderful video about EV. Thanks for the great work!!
He is driving on the old Historic Columbia River Highway scenic area in Oregon, east of Portland.
He passes by Bridal Veil Falls at 4:53 in the video.
Don't forget the power gains from shutting down the petrochemical industry. Refineries, pipe lines, distribution tank farms will all shutdown. They use a lot of power. The pumps that move fuel in pipe lines are huge.
Important information like this requires the whiteboard
amen to that
Jason could use a whiteboard in his Tesla since it can pilot it self. However I think he really enjoys driving.
He should mount a camera on the hood and write on his windshield in reverse like they do on submarines
agreed
Just think of how much electricity could have been saved by recording this at home.
One thing that never gets discussed - how will government TAX electric car energy to make up for the loss of gasoline taxes?
Tax on electricity or expensive chargers
increase tire tax. ALL motor vehicles use tires
Many states are doing it based on vehicle registration fees, no idea if that's sustainable or not
Saskatchewan just instituted a $150 per year extra when u register to compensate for lost gas tax in ev's
Probably mileage ontop of registration
I like the idea of local power generation, which avoids the I**2R losses of long distance transmission, which only serve to warm the feet of birds. Since I had (leased) solar installed before I got my Prius Prime, it wasn't sized to include one, much less a full EV. As it is a leased system, I have a bit less control for my options at this point. I would LIKE to install 6 more (south facing) panels (22 now west facing) and a Powerwall... or two. I am NOT on a TOU plan, but charge at 0100 to take it EZer on the grid.
Ten years ago an electrical engineer in Sydney Australia, calculated that if the whole city switched to electric cars the transmission grid would fail in a shower of sparks!
Great video. I have discussed this roughly. Living in Los Angeles we see when there is an unusual heat wave in the summer and everyone is using air conditioners, it often overloads the whole grid system, then try to imagine all those same
people plugging in their car while the air conditioner is on. It will definitely be a big and expensive up grade to make electric cars feasible. I'm a retired electrician and I just connected a 40 amp circuit for some one in my apartment building for a car charger. There is definitely not enough electricity in this building for even half the tenants to have EVs.
You charge evs at night when demand is low
While we do have to upgrade the electric system in the US, the data in this video are WAY off. It is primarily fear mongering
Pretty simple solution. Get solar plus battery backup. In tesla's configurator, my 2000 sq ft house would cost $12,000 after incentives which with $150 power bill pays for itself in 7 years. I'm not sure why more people don't do this but in a few years it will get even cheaper maybe even below 5 years payback period.
We need to find a way to cool our homes cheaper as well as heat our homes cheaper. We have increased the use of insulation. How ever we need air exchange
@@kevinoneill41 would need lots of new Nuclear reactors , only 20 years to build one
Can you imagine all the extension cables coming out of the apartment buildings in NYC
yeah, that a big problem. As car tech gets better and fast charging get to 10mins for a fill up, That's never going to be available at home. so we are still going to be stuck fast charging at "gas stations" and then making a profit on the electricity.
Genuinely laughed out loud. 1,000 foot extension cables the next shortage on Amazon!
In the UK they have started to install in some council chargers on the street using the current street light network or mains power network.
In Norway they’ve piggybacked off the electrical wiring for street lights and such to provide curbside charging. Are Americans clever enough for that kind of solution?
@@mrfr87 That's clever. So, one can charge your car up while stuck in traffic. 😊
What a lot of people don't realize is how many big operations out there need to go onto curtailment during days of high energy consumption. I have to run my workplace on our diesel generators all the time. Even in the winter, we have to run our boilers on fuel oil.
I always love your informative videos. There are other factors: changing weather patterns- declining Lake Mead levels can stop hydroelectric power generation for a big part of the Western US population; closing coal plants to reduce power input to the grid; the costs incurred by electric companies for increased demand- and pollution- will be passed on to all consumers, or potentially be limited by environmental regulations. The real irony is that ultimately electric cars are coal cars, as much of the electricity was generated by coal.
coal is around 20% of US energy production and dropping so your last comment is a bit odd. Excellent point about the pending hydro issues out west though. It's only 6% nationwide, but on a local level it is definitely an added hurdle.
Hey man, you are a great teacher bro. Out of all the Engineering channels out there, you seem to be able to explain it in ways that are more understandable. It is very appreciated and I am glad you have been more active lately
Happy to hear it, thanks for watching!
@@EngineeringExplained Long time watcher...First time commenter...Love the channel
Besides explaining it so nicely, he also seems to be a really nice guy to be friends with.
To go camping, fishing and hiking.
@@labourlawact7826 The willingness to share his knowledge speaks volumes about his character...His compensation will be far greater than any amount of $$$ in the end...💯
I agree, this channel is brilliant, engineering explained for dummies. Keep up the good work fella👍🏾
You also have to consider that during this time of 1960-2000, was when we were ramping up nuclear power and hydroelectric electrification. So, it was easy to see how we ramped up. Using wind or solar to create the equivalent power output will not be possible
Each home + 2 EV is 200% power increase, DOUBLE
So DOUBLE the poles and wires to the streets and homes.
DOUBLE the power plants capacity.
DOUBLE the size of the main grid transmission lines.
But all transportation electric, say TRIPLE POWER PLANTS,
TRIPLE poles and wires,
TRIPLE main grid.
Now EV batteries are huge, 100kwh soon. For the long trip.
The Daily drive is only 7kwh for the majority.
The automatic plug in gizmo will be the killer invention for the EV.
The EV can be plugged in 24/7, except for the daily drive or rush hour.
The EV can trade power and stability with the grid for money.
Every building is connected to the grid.
Every rooftop with solar pv can be connected to the grid.
Petroleum is a strategic military reserve asset for war fighting and emergencies.
Solar and renewable energy is dramatically improving energy supply.
Distributed power supply from the ends of the grid would mean the existing grid would not need to expand. $2million / klm.
Power Plants world not need to expand at $2BILLION EACH .
Poles and wires would not have to expand at $????/ klm.
For concentrated power supply then nuclear power plants at $billions and billions and billions . And decades and decades and decades.
And massive financial burden for 60 to 100years.
Too expensive to ever turn off before ROI and profits. Government guarantee profit would be required.
Insurance will not be available.
If CO2 reduction by the world then every country will have nuclear industries . 100,000 min,
The USA is the biggest target in the world.
Nuclear weapons and nuclear winter.
Military costs increase massively and national budgets.
ALL ENGINEERS MUST THINK ABOUT ALL COSTS INCLUDING EXTERNAL COSTS, climate destabilisation, military costs, distribution costs, generation costs, nuclear winter costs.
75 years of nuclear non proliferation WAS the biggest thing for decades.
Think, think, think 🤔
ANYBODY CAN HALF THINK , just live in a fantasy.
@@stephenbrickwood1602 Good points. But also take into account the giant amount of electricity that's actually required to run a gasoline car, from the well to the pump. You have pump jacks that pump the oil out of the ground, that use something like 30,000 kw/hr per month for ONE. Then several gigawatt hours per year just for ONE medium sized oil refinery. Each gas station uses a crapload of power running all those high powered lights, pumps, convenience store etc. It's quite a bit. The real answer I think that's needed is to NOT destroy all the old power plants. Shut them down, and maybe dismantle the coal side of things. But we need to hurry up and invent a fusion power reactor. Then that can be installed in existing coal power plants, to provide superheated steam to the existing turbines. In many of the coal plants the steam turbines and generators and switchyard gear is still in good shape, all that's needed is to replace the source of steam with something less wasteful than burning up gas/coal.
@@brnmcc01 yep good thinking
I didn't know the things you brought up. Thank you.
We need real life facts.
I wish I could cut and paste your input.
The Fusion technology is still a distant furfy, climate destabilisation is the point even the nuclear promoters agree on.
Rooftop solar PV systems as every building is connected to the grid.
Every EV is near a building day and night.
There are 13million EV today, 100,000 were predicted by todate.
Every one is busy with life and do not have my background, I am free of corporate constraints and daily pressures.
I have grandchildren and see a lot of vested interests and political distortion.
Kodak film company invented the digital camera, things change if not constrained by vested interests, big vested interests.
@@brnmcc01 existing power plants do have a role to play.
But if the coming renewable technology kills its cash flow it will fight back.
Number one rule of business is maximum profit, actually by law.
The transition is a complex problem.
I just glossed over and looked at the biggest factors including climate destabilisation ! !
@@brnmcc01 Except most oil is imported so a big chunk of that generation is not load on the grid in the area where the gasoline car is used
A single modern extremely fast charger can consume close to half a mega-watt. If you take a busy commuter highway exit into/out of a city you might find hundreds of cars passing in and out per hour, all wanting to use the fast chargers. So that charging station is going to need 30 or more fast chargers. That's 15 Megawatt and the output of a small gas turbine power plant.... or the power consumed by a small village!
When such facilities exist within a few miles of a power plant the "distribution costs" are low, as the loses are low. Therefore the charging will be cheaper.
When you stray away from the city however those fast chargers will become fewer and farther between and much, much more expensive to use.
I fact, if there is a serious rush on the EV industry, there will be immediately competition for chargers, which will result in companies raising prices - supply and demand.
That once "practically free" EV 'fuel' will end up costing rough 3 times what gas does. Simply because it takes 3kWh of fossil fuels to make 1kWh of electric. Undeniable physics/chemistry fact. "We generate it from solar". Sure. Sure you do. Prove it. Where is this excess solar energy you can charge cars with, I certainly don't see it.
Replacing Coal & Gas Electric Plants with Green Energy while increasing the load on the Electrical System is just Insane!
With electric vehicles the Fed and the state will control your life.
@@rherna2601 Yes, with the flip of a switch to off - lol
@@rherna2601
Tfw the fbi wasn't allowed in apple devices.
I'm curious to know how that energy will be generated. From the 1960s to 2000s no one was thinking about climate change, so nothing was stopping the country from using coal or natural gas, which is a fairly easy addition, especially in comparison with renewables. Now, though, the addition would have to be in clean energy, and adding to that there will be pressure to retire some 90% of non-renewable energy currently at work in the US. In other words, I think we need something serious in terms of a technological breakthrough to aid this transition.
Each home + 2 EV is 200% power increase, DOUBLE
So DOUBLE the poles and wires to the streets and homes.
DOUBLE the power plants capacity.
DOUBLE the size of the main grid transmission lines.
But all transportation electric, say TRIPLE POWER PLANTS,
TRIPLE poles and wires,
TRIPLE main grid.
Now EV batteries are huge, 100kwh soon. For the long trip.
The Daily drive is only 7kwh for the majority.
The automatic plug in gizmo will be the killer invention for the EV.
The EV can be plugged in 24/7, except for the daily drive or rush hour.
The EV can trade power and stability with the grid for money.
Every building is connected to the grid.
Every rooftop with solar pv can be connected to the grid.
Petroleum is a strategic military reserve asset for war fighting and emergencies.
Solar and renewable energy is dramatically improving energy supply.
Distributed power supply from the ends of the grid would mean the existing grid would not need to expand. $2million / klm.
Power Plants world not need to expand at $2BILLION EACH .
Poles and wires would not have to expand at $????/ klm.
For concentrated power supply then nuclear power plants at $billions and billions and billions . And decades and decades and decades.
And massive financial burden for 60 to 100years.
Too expensive to ever turn off before ROI and profits. Government guarantee profit would be required.
Insurance will not be available.
If CO2 reduction by the world then every country will have nuclear industries . 100,000 min,
The USA is the biggest target in the world.
Nuclear weapons and nuclear winter.
Military costs increase massively and national budgets.
ALL ENGINEERS MUST THINK ABOUT ALL COSTS INCLUDING EXTERNAL COSTS, climate destabilisation, military costs, distribution costs, generation costs, nuclear winter costs.
75 years of nuclear non proliferation WAS the biggest thing for decades.
Think, think, think 🤔
ANYBODY CAN HALF THINK , and just live in a fantasy.
Yeah, it's called nuclear.
@@douglasmount188 if only the USA went totally nuclear.
The world's CO2 may change a little but would not go to zero.
So what is the point?
@@stephenbrickwood1602 The point is nuclear is safer, easier to scale, cheaper to build, and less polluting.
@@sgartner And every country in the world with Nuclear industries????
We installed an EV charging circuit controlled by the power company. The circuit relay is only on from 10pm - 7am, but the rate is only 3c/KwH. Costs just under $2 to fully charge the Bolt.
That is pretty amazing actually and a good solution for the time being. Thanks for sharing that.
My local electric co-op offers me 250kwhs monthly of free electricity upon proof of owning an electric vehicle.
As long as you charge it between 11pm-7am.
Just did the same here in tampa to take advantage of time of use, we are getting 6c/kwh. In my model 3, thats close to 1.5c/mile. My girlfriends Civic, for example, at 35mpg and $2.50 in gas per gallon nearly 5x that cost (7.2c/mile in fuel). Even compared to a cheap, good mileage car I'm saving over $1,100 per year in fuel alone.
2c/kWh! In Adelaide they are paying > $0.40AUD/kWh
@@peted3637 Wow, that's a lot. I know everything in AUS is generally more expensive, but dang. Our normal rate is 10.5c, which is still only ~$7 to fully recharge. My Camry costs ~$18 to go that same distance. At 30k mi/yr that really adds up.
@@andrewt9204 It's 11c per kWh here in Colorado. It's a flat rate though so no benefits or costs to charging whenever I need to.
My Bolt's about 3c per mile and my old Subaru was about 10c per mile.
I asked this question to a good friend who is a TVA employee and works with the nuclear facility in my area. and he said.
" its not an issue, TVA has many plants on "standby". producing no power and just sitting there, ready to be fired up when the demand requires it".
in fact he laughed when I asked this question. and stated " thats just rhetoric by people who have an (monetary) interest elsewhere."
As a retired auto mechanic/coal power plant worker, using EV's in the upper Midwest will show what cold winters will do to battery usage maintaining cabin heat, and more importantly throw road salt at high voltage wiring will result in fires that nobody is talking about!
This summer the Midwest power grid is almost at a tipping point.
My employer power company is looking into higher fees for higher current needs for EV's in the future.
I'm in Ontario Canada. We already have peak and off-peak hydro charges. It's a nightmare. 5X the charge for on peak times...You know when you want to use it....Or stay up late just to save some money. If the answer is to further capitalize energy, than we're all going to pay much more than we think.
Keep the great vids coming. Stay Happy an Healthy.
My EV the Chevy Bolt, which is cheap and crappy (although efficient) is programmable for charging for different rates.
I'm sure other cars have this and more.
So, no need to stay up late, just plug your car in and tell it tostart charging when rates go down and it will all be ok.
Why do you stay up? Use scheduling at nigjt
@@catinthehat5140 I don't have a machine to change laundry, cook things on my electric stove, etc. It's the domestic tasks that you can save $ with. Microwave, electric stove and dryer can use lot of energy. That's one of the reasons why there's a spike in usage around dinner time.
Stay Happy and Healthy.
Heres a business idea for someone, build a smart switch that turns your car charger on when rates are the lowest part of the day.
5x cheap is still cheap. In California we have expensive and 2.5 x expensive power. We have hydro but you have to carry the water back up the hill in buckets to maintain flow. And those people are well paid, They use donkeys. Cheaters.
Sounds like it's time for a new generation of nuclear reactors using more advanced fuel cycles and designed for enhanced safety.
Sounds like it's time to stop our disastrous population overshoot.
@@sinenomine4540 Let's start with you
@@johnsmiff9649 I'll do what I can. I don't breed like rats. I suggest the same to you.
I was thinking the same thing. The fear around nuclear is almost entirely unfounded. I would love to see some advancements in the industry.
@@sinenomine4540
And immigration.
AC when it got popular was so expensive, not everybody got it at once. So demand went up in stages over time.
Many times during the summer California especially has power alerts asking tonturn down A/C et cetera this is a challenge in all the warm climates.
FYI: Fossil fuels are the largest sources of energy for electricity generation
Yeah but we’re talking about ICE cars being banned, rather than the use of fossil fuels right. I’m not sure if this is true, but isn’t burning fossils fuels in a factory better than a personal vehicle?
@@ExpendableCrumb Yes, even with the dirtiest fossil fuel plants, the net emissions from driving an EV are far lower.
Also, anyone who wants to can use energy credits that purchase electricity from renewable sources. Hopefully we can ramp nuclear back up soon but I'm not holding my breath.
FYI: renewables energy sources are growing in use.
@@joshonekenobi Yes, like hydrogen.
@@michaelfbuckley Hydrogen? It's one thing to point out the obvious, but now you're just trolling.
The 4%/year increase in grid capacity since the 60s is an average that mostly came from coal/nuclear/hyrdro/gas power generation systems. Would be interesting to see how much of the increase has come from wind & solar in the recent years.
yell you already know rolling blackout in california and texas :D
Caused in TX by an unfettered 'free' market system
I wouldn't put hydro/nuclear on the same level as coal/gas. Their respective environmental impact is really different (nuclear being the cleanest, followed by hydro and wind). Solar is theoretically clean, but producing solar panels and recycling them when they' re old can have a big environmental impact.
@@MrGardenofeden well hydro is clean on case of pollution but top built it it kills natural habitats like crazy, fish and other water animal homes and stop their migration... so effectively decimate them... just like wind turbines do with birds
@@maszkalman3676 I don't think there is an energy source which is truly zero impact. What we can do is pick the ones with the smallest one
Great explanation video! Well done, mate!
And if I decide to go with one of them three or two I am going to tune the heck out of those engines so with your expertise I would love to hear it what you think, especially between the Mercedes and the Toyota. But if you also want to say something about the golf r please do. I love your videos keep making this awesome videos.
6:11 Jason makes a threat. "Now we're at your house" >:D
Haha, I may or may not have given your cat a few pats. Great cat.
He's just making sure you're subscribed. You are, right?
@@EngineeringExplained 😊😊
Amazing video. I get it but living in LA and having rolling blackouts every year currently puts my faith really low in how well this is all going to play out.
The rolling blackouts happen in the daytime, right? LA needs to have more people install rooftop solar, especially on west-facing roofs. LA also needs more large stationary batteries to let some of the daytime solar electric production be used in the first few hours after sundown.
And it's actually going to get worse. CA is going to shut down their last nuclear plant in a few years, that will have a huge impact, we already are finding out that windmill and solar farms are great when you have wind and sunny days, when you have little wind and cloudy days we have the blackouts as we saw this last summer. CA also has many con-gen plants sitting idle due to environmentalist's, will they allow production from them, remains to be seen.
this is why when the wife said she wanted an EV I got her a prius prime instead not much distance but she mostly uses electric and we have gas for road trips and when we forget to charge etc
@@calamityjean1525 there Are people getting home battery backup and making money with it.
If it worked in Florida I'd do it too.
@@calamityjean1525 In other words: "LA needs more people to have........................expensive equipment that the majority of the LA population can't afford"
In northern California we have a special situation in the SF Bay area. The first folks to buy EVs are the rich folks, and lots of rich folks live in San Francisco.
Their problem is the electric services in Older SF homes are small, maybe 60 amp services. They will need to upgrade their panels to accommodate the 8 Kw EV charger. Then the utility will need to install heavier wires, from the house, to the alley, and back to the substation.
For some perspective, if you commute 30 miles a day (which is actually 60 including lunches and errands) you’re running about 5 or 6 15000 btu air conditioners for 8 hours straight (this includes preconditioning and idle draws).
The AC in the video was a 30A max. I’m talking Level 2 charging because lvl 1 trickle wont keep up.
Another factor that people in cooler regions will need to contend with is that E-vehicles don't fully defrost as combustion vehicles do. The part that bugs me most of all about a switch to EV though is the electronics that can now be overridden/updated remotely. Imagine just like your cell phone the manufacturers started limiting the performance of your phone's battery after a year, and car manufacturers make things not work as well in the car after the warrenty, or they disable features for used vehicles. On top of that, the ability of an entity to remotely disable your property and ability to travel is VERY concerning.
One other problem I foresee is when software(like phone apps, or video games) no longer works because they cannot connect to the internet so they no longer start. This is already a problem with some software not working on new vehicles when there is no internet. Additionally, some companies have accidentally bricked(disabled) their products by updating them with faulty software (Electrolux Accidentally Bricks Thousands of Microwaves With OTA Update).
An example of that is recently John Deer tractor was able to remotely disable stolen tractors in Ukraine over the internet. That was a good use for that but imagine that ability being abused later by governments or hackers.
Actually the opposite is happening at Tesla. There cars functionality has improved overall throughout the past decade. The batteries in these vehicles, properly cared for should last more than a million miles. They are also creating facilities to repurpose the raw materials from old batteries to be used in new ones. This should also decrease the raw materials needed moving forward. Personally the only way I see the grid in the US keeping up with demand is through nuclear in the northern states and solar in the southwestern states.
You make it sound like you can not disable the vehicles access to the internet which would keep them from accessing it would it not? I'm pretty sure I can shut off my Tesla from having internet access with a click of a button.
@@mrh3085 The company thats CEO is getting smeared relentlessly by corporate news. Thats good to hear about the million miles(does proper care mean stored in a garage at all times? whats that mean if you would eleborate), regarding a million miles, I dont know what that translates into years for a car that sits around alot vs a daily commuter?
@@jstar1000 I am not an insider or engineer at Tesla or any other EV company, nor do I own an EV, so I have no idea if they can remotely turn on the internet or not like a cell phone can be remotely turned on(thats why they made the batteries not removable - it really wasn't just because thinness or water resistence).
I'm very interested in the tech BUT... I'm extremely hesitant no matter how benevolent one company is to trust them all.
Additionally, I know some software stops working on other devices I own if they have not been updated for a long time. Somehow it knows(has a software timer im guessing) that if I have not connected this for a certiain amount of time it needs to be updated and wont work otherwise.
I have a new combustion vehicle with the high-end options that when used with smart phones force the connection and won't allow the connection to turn off( I have tried turning off WIFI and Bluetooth and they keep turning back on until I use VPN and then it breaks connection) and I would bet $ they send information back to some server somewhere without most users understanding what that means, and likely could use that connection to adjust things on the vehicle unbeknownst to the owner if they don't turn off the internet as you suggest.
@@mrh3085 Tesla has been deleting features for user car buyers of Tesla, insisting used buyers re-purchase options the original owner paid for.
We're having huge grid problems up here in the Yukon and the utility company isn't allowing customers to get EV chargers for that exact reason.
Betcha snow storms don't help
We can't even handle ac units in calgary for the 2 hot days of the year.
You don’t need permission. Just put a dryer outlet in your garage or by the driveway, and plug in a portable EVSE. The power company won’t ever know what you’re using it for.
@@RealBenAnderson i charged two cars on single 120v outlet for a a year and was fine. 240v EVSE chargers are more comfort product than necessity
And yet the YT government is installing multiple EV stations - without charging for their use. Makes all the sense in the world doesnt it?
a really simple solution from the end user perspective would be chargers on timers. so you get home, plug it in, and it'll charge at the scheduled time more or less automatically.
You have saved me SO much research for this speech I need to write. THANK YOU
Finally someone talking about what actually matters when it comes to EV's
Um, his conclusion of a net increase in grid demand is false as he failed to subtract the energy required to refine petroleum into gasoline. So much energy is used to extract, refine, transport and store gasoline that the impact on the grid is none.
@@justsomeguy934 Is 30% of American electricity used for gasoline production and transport?
@@wallybal1297 I'm not sure of your question. The electricity requirements to refine a single gallon of gasoline have an average estimate of 5 kW/h. Some estimates are much lower (.22 kW/h refinery only), some are much higher (8 kW/h well-to-wheel) with an industry average of 5 kW/h per gallon. Where are you assuming 30% of national energy production?
@@justsomeguy934 I may have misinterpreted you here. Are you implying that there will not be a net increase of electricity demand, or that it would be less than 30%?
@@wallybal1297 As the demand for gasoline falls as drivers switch to electric vehicles, so will the energy demand used to refine it. This wasn't included in the overall energy use calculation for drivers. It depends where the refinery gets its electricity from. If they burn their own fuel to run their own generator, then it won't affect the local grid either way.
California has been running a power deficit for years even with consumers adding power via solar sell back. That's been predictable but not fixable.
....and California is currently asking EV owners NOT to charge their cars...
Welcome to dystopia! Say goodbye to the free will of driving your car!
No, it is not fixable. It's all part of the plan.
Enter thorium salt reactors...
Just buy a gasoline powered car... my solution to the problem lol 😂
10:03
The issue with this is that there needs to be a certain amount of buffer on place to support the worst case scenario and to accommodate an increase in electricity usage in the future(population growth, etc…) So no matter what, upgrades are needed. And thus the price of electricity will increase faster than normal
One thing to remember about the historical growth rate of electrical capacity expansion - coal. Cheap, plentiful coal that is extremely energy dense, easy to store for surge capacity, and plants that are located where needed and can ramp up and down to match demand. The current emphasis on wind and solar negates so many of the benefits to a more convenient source of electricity. I'm not saying coal is cleaner, but it did allow a better growth of the electrical grid.
While I agree with a lot of the points you bring up, as an electric engineer I feel like you're being VERY VERY optimistic about our current power grid and setups. It can be done, and you're absolutely right, but a lot needs to be fixed and updated in the structure to support such changes, it's not really comparable to summer when people use their ACs because summer will go away and the grid have room stabilize again either with raising the cost so people use less, or with other ways. Considering that electric car influx of consumption would be basically permanent as people would their cars every day to go to work and do their daily routine it's not just planning to high and low consumption in different seasons, it's an huge increase in consumption while also keeping the consumption we already have.
As an electrical engineer, is there a time when the electrical grid is underutilized? Can the cars charge then? If so, no problem. Also oil refineries use a lot of electricity.
Considering the current OAT in North Dakota is about 12 below zero, wind chill about 25 below....the amperage draw running electric heat in a vehicle, the heating element itself plus the blower motor added to the heated seat and rear window, side mirror defoggers, I would guess that EV would make it about 10 to 15 miles before the batteries went dead.
@@northdakotaham1752 70kw will keep you toasty for a long time... the model Y also has a heat pump so probalby will heat decently for quite a long time.
@@davidbeppler3032 I again bring up the issue of not having enough renewable energy sources to power even half of the current amount we spend. With this weird anti-nuclear stance, countries like Germany and Japan are going *back* to coal. How the hell is getting rid of petrol cars any better, if the power generated is just going to be produced by burning oil (that for some reason just became a lot cheaper!), coal and natural gas?
Not to even mention the massive impact on the environment made by every single motor vehicle having to suddenly convert to using lithium based batteries. Where the hell is that going to come from? You have any idea how much destruction that would cause? Not to mention the pollution?
What about freight? The massive freight ship engines run on diesel. What about airplanes? One trans-Atlantic flight causes more damage to the environment than all the fuel consumed by all 22 Formula 1 cars during the whole season.
What about arctic areas? Or any areas where it gets cold enough to be freezing? Batteries deflate in the cold and operating range is reduced to almost nothing due to heating elements draining what little power is left.
"But we could just build a lot more solar panels and then cover like the Sahara with them or something"
Then what? In 25 years they're going to have to be replaced. Not to even mention how much that would cost, what about the billions of tonnes of toxic waste from the PV panels?
More dams? Ecosystems have already been irreparably destroyed because of hydroelectric dams.
Sea turbines don't produce enough energy. Neither to UTES systems.
Fission will just produce more waste. That is the least harmful option. Guess we could just shoot the barrels into the sun or something some day.
More funding on fusion! That's the ticket.
Hey man, you're just thinking about it the wrong way. The grid can handle the influx of load right now. All we have to give up is reliability.
So over 40 years our power grew 500% from .76Trillion KW to 3.8 Trillion KW but then grew only 8% over the next 20 years from 3.8 Trillion KW to 4.1 Trillion KW while stressing the grid to its limit and watching the cost of power explode (pun intended) With a growth rate of well under 1% over the last 20 years what would you expect a realistic growth rate to be over the next 20 years? And I'd point out that the point out that the growth rate between 1960 and 2000 was due in large part to the adoption of nuclear power. I'm sorry but you won't see that kind of large growth rate in the future if you're counting on wind and solar...
Coincidentally California just asked people not to charge their EV's, yesterday!
"Amid Heat Wave, California Asks Electric Vehicle Owners to Limit Charging" so, elder owners can't even use those cars as cooling stations.
Exactly ! And California is the largest importer of electric energy than any other state. In fact it imports 25% of its electric energy needs and this guy is like, "the grid can handle it". LMFAO. He also leaves out demographic differences in miles driven and how electric utility equipment, if sized for optimum efficiency, is not built for a flat demand curve, but rather to withstand a few hours of peak demand and 20 hours of less stressful period as they are passively cooled. But those details got to be worked out by engineers while shills like him go on to mislead the public that it's really easy and "don't worry, electric vehicles will get much more efficient", while kids in the Congo will get better at mining cobalt. Such TH-camr idiocy.
There's a difference between an electric motor core with a certain inertia on startup and a work load of the same amount that's a constant drag on the motor.
Once the power is off the core continues to coast while the load comes to a halt.
This is an example of some slight of hand that is used in describing electric motor efficiency.
The perpetual motion machine does not yet exist.
You are missing subtracting the energy used for refining and transport of the fossil fuels being replaced. That is a significant draw on the grid. We will still need refineries for other products that don’t get burned, but the elimination of that energy being used for liquid fuel production should count in as well.
also EV's can also function as energy storage for the grid when they arent in use. its a concept called "the internet of things" and there are plenty of yt videos on it if you're interested
@@MySuperman112 if you're looking at EVs working as a battery to support the grid its known as Vehicle-to-Grid (V2G).
There are also concepts for Vehicle-to-Building (V2B) where the car provides power to a house or office block.
its simple we just need to build a dyson sphere.
After you finish the video you'll see the problem is in energy distribution not in energy production
I think it's crazy to try to force people into ev do to the fact it takes a period time fully charge them, you aren't telling babies not to be calm. I don't think it's good at all.
Or at least a dyson swarm, baby steps!
We still don't have an efficient energy distribution system.
And then live on the dyson sphere
Excellent analysis ! At 07:41, you mentioned that if everyone plugs in their 8KW charger after work, that would put a huge strain on the grid. One other possible solution could be the use of home superchargers, though those aren't available yet. While a Level 2 charger is limited to 7600 Watts (240 Volts x 30 Amperes), it would be possible for a supercharger to store energy from the grid into huge lithium battery packs during off-peak times. Later, the supercharger can dump the energy into the car's battery pack, without causing a high load upon the grid.
And who is paying for that?
More batteries??
@@shag139- The homeowner would have to pay for it. Something like a Tesla Powerwall could conceivably do that, as their website says it could charge the car even while there is a grid power outage.
There's also going to be more demand from the move to all electric homes. Power providers will have to upgrade as homes are converted or replaced with all electric and EVs are added.
HVAC can be supplemented by solar panels during the day, but at night the load will be on the grid (unless batteries).
Household and business panels/batteries along with grid upgrades might be the quickest way, but cost right now is a problem.
Good video! One aspect I missed is the question how we would produce the extra 30% of electric power. Back in the 1960s, adding more coal or even nuclear plants would be not too difficult. Assuming we want to use clean energy now, and simultaneously replace polluting power plants with clean ones, the job is much more difficult. Not impossible of course, but I fear more complicated than you suggest.
@@ch4.hayabusa While not as bad as coal, they still pollute quite a bit. In the Netherlands, we're scaling down gas mining because this is causing earthquakes (and thereby damage to houses etc). So not ideal from that angle either.
you are the first channel to address this question I have been asking for about 10 years....welcome to the era of the rolling blackout
The batteries could be made to supply the grid when needed and increase reliability and stability. Everyone can't come home turn on the AC and electric range plus plug in Their TESLA and their RIVIAN, NFW, If it was not for the reduction of incandescent lamps the grid could not have handled the addition of loads from computers.
@@melaniecotterell8263 when they use the entire Earth's gobal production of rare-earth minerals to make those batteries.....
@@therealfearsome And that will only produce a protion of the need. Without some new form of storage methodology, it ain't a gonna happen.
As a utility electrical worker, I appreciate you addressing what we have been shouting for years. The grid is stable, the production of electricity is not!!! Get a generator now before you can't anymore.
That 30% doesnt sound too bad, if you could peanut butter spread it over space and time. But IMO, the big issue is handling peak load when more people need to charge during peak hours. WHen there is a significant number of owners charging at a 200Kwh charger on their way home to their condos/apartments/work, it's going to be a major problem.
Also, you state that Energy production(I am assuming electricity only) went from 0.76T to 3.8T from 1960 to 2000. Which is great, but it only went from 3.8 to 4.1 from 2000 to 2021? Seems to have plateaued.
At this point I think the safest bet is to get a plug in electric hybrid. If anything goes wrong along the way you still have options.
Honestly I feel like a lot of plug-in hybrids are just great to get awesome parking spaces. I see people abusing this all the time and leaving Chevy Volts at the charging stations even after they're finished charging.
If you have an EV and solar, you are much better off. You can’t build a gasoline refinery at your house.
@@rob1andrews
I used to be able to make biodiesel.
100% renewable, from waste fluid (fryer oil).
Why did I stop?
New diesels can't handle it.
Why?
Environmental controls limit use to about 20%.
Why?
Again.
Recycling a renewable resource isn't green enough?
Idiots making decisions.
I once could safely make and store a renewable resource at my home. The side stream (glycerol) was composable or could could be sold off for soap products.
Again.
Hybrids are pointless, you're maintaining two separate systems in one car it's like having two cars in one. Double the cost double the weight. It's not a good solution. Full electric or nothing.
@@chrisdigital Just wait and see what happens in the near future. Electric cars charge at a much higher draw than most houses, some fast charging systems draw many more times what the average home does. There's going to be a point where the grid can't support it. If you go full electric you better go full solar and don't expect to be able to go on long trips because the infrastructure isn't going to be there.
Thank you for putting out actual quality information on a topic like this rather than a 30 second rant with no research. It's beyond helpful!
How is this dude quoting precise figures while diving the car? He couldn’t be reading off a transcript. This shows me how well he knows this stuff. I’m impressed.
I spent 36 years in the electric utility industry. You hit on every point. You should address congress on EV's. Thank you for the video.
So if we get rid of natural gas, coal and nuclear power generation, what will we replace it with?
Norway gets 95% of its electricity from hydroelectric power.
@@glidercoachRenewables. Renewables have been increasing every year. First coal is being replaced as it is the most polluting and expensive. We are not getting rid of nuclear, although we don't seem to be building any new ones.
You did all this math in your head while driving? I can't even listen to the radio while driving! Impressive! Cheers!
No, he mapped it out in his head first. Probably as an outline he glances at too.
That’s facts^^^😂😂😂
@@stephenpowstinger733 still impressive for me
Yeah mate, he's ditched the whiteboard now😂
Its called passion
You should probably take into account that electricity production in the U.S has not seen a net increase since 2007, and current regulations make it very difficult and costly to on-line any new significant production facilities. The slight increase of production coming from renewable sources in the past 15 years has been dwarfed by the net reduction in generation from coal-fired plants, while natural gas has seen the biggest net increase as coal plants are converted to natural gas.
To increase production by 30% will require some significant changes in energy policy and regulation, and achieving that in 6.5 years is not only unrealistic, but impossible at this point.
If, however, the regulators would open pathways for more nuclear generation, and/or return to clean coal, we could see that goal met in 20-30 years. The most realistic expectation, however, is that we continue to increase production from burning natural gas to meet the goal, and increase the rate at which we build natural gas fired plants - which negates the whole purpose in the first place.
The biggest problem, however, comes from the manufacture of all those lithium batteries, as their functional lifespan simply is not yet long enough to be practical on such a large scale. It's difficult enough to fathom mining enough lithium and rare earth minerals to produce enough batteries to replace every I.C.-powered vehicle with electric, but then you need to consider the compounded affect of repeating that entire process every 2-5 years in battery production. Technology simply isn't there yet, nor is it even on the cusp of being on its way there.
So, until we overcome some of these massive hurdles, let's be happy that the idea of owning an EV as an individual is even plausible, and aim for a more realistically-sustainable goal, such as 5%. And until then, let's restart oil extraction and increase gasoline production in order to not bankrupt families while we let the technology continue to develop on an organic course. If it becomes commercially viable on a large scale, individuals will naturally transition for convenience sake. That's the ticket.
I was going to say the same thing. EPA and left leaning politicians and activist don't want any new nuclear, coal, gas or other plants. So how do you even get 10% increase with that? Wind and solar wont do it. I am really curious how this "easy" 30% will be created.
We desperately need new nuclear plants, but even I worry about the waste products. So does that mean some new "cleaner" coal and gas plants? Has to be or we all suffer rolling blackouts nationwide. I bet the latter because the progressives seem to want us to all suffer and for long periods of time.
Some problems with your analysis:
1. Not only do we need to increase the amount of power we produce by (your estimate) 30%, we also have to replace most of the power plants we have now with green power plants if EVs are to fulfill their purpose. (The problem will be substantially higher in some regions.) So we need to essentially rebuild the entire power generating infrastructure in the USA if we are going to address the green house emissions and so far that isn't in the plans.
2. You're assuming every household has only one electric vehicle. Most families will have two, just as most households have two gas-powered cars. This will double your estimate as to the amount of power being drawn from each household.
3. As you say, power grids are already forced into blackouts during peak times in the summer due to air conditioner because we don't have to power generating capacity to deal with the demand we currently have. Flattening the curve will help. But we will still need major investments to upgrade the grid to have a aggregate load that will be nearly twice the current load.
4. How long will it take for growing population to push the grid beyond its limits when we all adopt EVs and flatten the load? Then at some point the burgeoning population will cause the grid to be above its limits most of the time. Again, we will need substantial investments to avoid the problem.
5. You mention power charging issues for apartment complexes and so on, and those aren't trivial to solve. Again, the costs of getting the power stations to plus the long charging times can't be glossed over.
The costs of the new and replacement power sources and the grid upgrades must be put into the plan or consumer sticker shock will cause a revolt against the technology.
He only adds 25% of energy required to compensate for transmission losses, and charge/discharge of the EV battery to get power to move the car. I think that 25% might only cover the transmission losses. The highest loss is conversion of electrical energy to chemical energy, the conversion of this back to electrical energy. For the total loss, I think 100% would be nearer the mark.
Me watching this in south africa while having scheduled 2 hour power outages every day
Me too. Cape Town
Lol
Are you running out of water and power?
@@sammiller6631 Yes. And it's because we put the most stupidest amongst us in charge.
The one's who only know how to steal.
Me in Italy, just realising that my average yearly electricity consumption at home, is equivalent to two months of an American house 🤦🏼♂️
To keep it even simpler....a few summers ago when we were in a heat wave our county asked people NOT to use washers, dryers, or dishwashers until after the sun went down because just the uptick in A/C units was taxing the system. If the grid can't handle a dish washer or dryer during increased A/C use...how the heck is it going to handle 100s of thousands or millions of cars and trucks? Some stuff sounds good, but you need to THINK beyond just your bumper sticker.
What you describe is a poorly-planned grid, not anything inherent. Usually, this is due to a confluence of politics and short-term profit-taking. Political pressure to minimize power bills and maximize profits. Reliability and peak-handling capacity requires investment. With fossil fuels, it requires power plant capacity that sits idle most of the day, but can rapidly start up to meet peak demands. Those idle plants still consume capacity and some manpower. You also have to allow for outages due to maintenance or unexpected events. If your climate predictions are off, you may not build out enough. If your weather predictions are off, you might allow shutdowns that ought to be deferred to a lower-demand period.
But you're right-you do have to THINK. Grid planning is a lot more complex than just adding up the numbers. You have to consider each potential bottleneck in a wide array of circumstances. Videos like this are great for getting a sense of what's feasible, and general approach. Actual execution is very complex, and requires considerable advanced planning as well as minute-by-minute execution.
Even just in my kitchen, I can't run the microwave, air fryer and coffee pot in the morning to fix breakfast. Those three appliances overtax the line voltage and trips the breaker for the line going to the outlets in the kitchen. So when that line trips, everything in the kitchen including the fridge and the stove shut off. The lights are fine as they're on a different breaker switch.
Yes, he didn't mention gas and oil heating, cooking and water heating will all have to change from current fossil fuel use. Water heating is EXTREMELY electric intensive, one of the highest consumers in an average house beside air conditioning, and usually runs year round.
@@bigsky1970 Why did your electrician put everything on one breaker? Normally a kitchen should be supplied by at least 2 strings or 3 strings if you got three phases.
everyone needs to get a good bit more familiar with how an EV charges its battery. They're not pulling major amps like an AC unit, a refrigerator a Stove or Dryer. its much closer to a trickle charge. Devices that have a large current draw at turn on, do tax the grid instantly, and they are an issue to be sure. but EV chargers don't pull that much at one time. they are built to ramp up slowly and the battery management systems onboard are designed to manage the charge so that over charging and individual cell quality issues can be mitigated as much as possible.
This is all part of creating an EV battery system that will operate within the parameters of our current ( and outdated) grid transmission system.
Simple fix is Solar on the House. That power would be used directly in your Home and is usually more than enough to charge an EV and then some. Benefit to this also is it doesn't touch the grid as power would flow internally in the house before pulling any extra power from the Grid. If power companies weren't so hell bent on destroying NEM and not allowing interconnects, that excess solar would be pumped back into the grid. There are many people running 4 ton AC units and charging their EV's without touching grid power. A home system with some battery storage, which has become MUCH cheaper and safer now with LifePO4, is easily done at a fraction of the cost to upgrade infrastructure or spooling up more plants. Battery/Solar technology is improving every year which will just make it more efficient and cheaper to deploy. They could subsidize installs in the same way they did with converting everyone to LED bulbs. This is a much simpler solution and easy to do in relation to grid upgrades.
Great video, most people have no understanding how a watt is produced or what it can do.
The problem with the increased energy demand is where it’s going to come from. The government doesn’t like nuclear so it’s going to come from “dirty” sources like coal and gas. Then pile on how terrible mining is for the resources to manufacture the batteries and it’s bad on top of bad on top of bad.
I grew up in Iowa. Today, about 60% of Iowa's electric power comes from wind.
When the San Onofre nuclear plant unexpectedly closed in California, it took just 4 years for its entire output to be replaced with wind. Today, with better wind turbines and much better solar generation, it would be even less.
Gas peaking plants are being replaced with storage. In addition to environmental and economic concerns, the initial driver for this was loss of the Aliso gas storage field. Yes, gas needs storage.
I do think that lithium-ion batteries will be supplanted by more readily available materials in most grid applications. Mining impacts for generators and turbines needs to be considered as well when balancing the environmental books.
But it's really hard to match the environmental impact of coal mining or oil extraction.
@@BobKerns4111 and what of it's just not that windy one year?
Don't worry about mining; the environmentalists won't permit it.
Power plants are way more efficient at converting fossil fuels to energy vs car engines tbf
This comment needs a trillion likes.
I learned so much from this video! It answered many question my family and I had. TY Jason
5:45
Good thing the population is going down instead of up!
Test drive MD review the type s already
europe lately figured out..........
*almost blackout in parts of europe, at only
@@Unknown-jl7mg They figured out the issue since atleast 2015. With sheer lack of grid power caused by the enviormental parties all over the place blocking the build of new power plants, which resulted in near crashes in unmeasurable volume many times since. Meanwhile the same parties are opting, ironically, for more electric power usage.
@@MrBerry1404 Nearly everything has to be electrified because we have to decarbonise our society if we don't want to destabilise it completely. We really don't have much choice. Those that move first are likely to do well out of it economically.
There are companies working on optimizing charging from an economic viewpoint. The system dialogs with the supplier to buy as cheaply as possible. This happens without any intervention by the consumer.
Residential batteries will also smooth out consumption.
Also have to remember there are 3 different time zones so each time zone would only overlap by 1 hour if you take 2 hours to charge.