@@afftertasteYes but often times weirdos will defend European colonialism as "stopping the savages from doing human sacrifices". It's bullshit because European colonists were brutal to everyone they colonized even those they didn't directly participate in human sacrifices/cannibalism. And it's not like Europeans were "noble" and above shit like human sacrifices. Literally the Spanish inquisition was happening when Columbus went to the Americas. And even then, Europeans massively participated in slavery. Everyone back then was horrible by our standards today but for some reason, people want to white wash European crimes.
@@beyvntarson3123 Arguably they do so much damage to both the history of conquest and slavery, it is now effectively impossible to talk about it without some level of bias. Especially with the weirdos making every argument under the sun for their own racism instead of to actually challenge any kind of perception.
if only natives had a written language to tell us if he helped or hurt them maybe we could give their account, damn, I guess Christopher Columbus burned them all, cuz I can't find a single account lol.
I'm sorry are we going to ignore the fact he cut off a man's nose for mistreatment of slaves which made the king dissolve his land ownership in the new world.
Even if it was a 100% accurate depiction of Columbus, it would be extremely biased. You can’t ask the person who did bad things if their actions were justified. I mean it’s like asking Hitler if it was a good or bad thing to kill all the Jewish people.
Columbus really had a lot of respect for the natives. He thought they were an amazing, loving people and really did order his men to treat them well. He'd punish his men that disobeyed his orders.
"Being taken as a slave is better than being killed no?" makes me remember that in fact during the trans-Atlantic slave trade many African people chose to jump off the boats rather than live as slaves. I'm sure the writers know that and don't care but it's so weirdly callous to write a character going "idk slavery isn't that bad, it's better than death!" when we have historical examples of people indeed would rather be dead than enslaved
Reasons to convert Columbus day into Lief Erikson's day: 1 - The vikings were actually the first Europeans to discover the Americas. 2 - The vikings were very open about their crimes against humanity, and didn't try to whitewash their crimes away. Based. 3 - Vikings are way cooler. Need I say more?
I think the real Christopher Columbus would be more concerned with the unmarried woman showing her naked shoulders, wearing trousers, and speaking out of turn lmao.
So, basically Prager U is not only vindicating Columbus, but pinning his crimes on "the Muslims." Not a specific group like the Ottoman Empire; just the religion as a whole. That is insane.
Adum and Scoot kinda talked over this line but towards the End after they go back home Layla says, "And it looks like most of the negative reports about Columbus came from his competition" So they also basically tacked on an "All those bad things people say he did might just be lies anyway" They pulled all the stops for this guy.
This is couched with anti-Muslim sentiment throughout. Scoot mentioned the boy leaning on the spread of Christianity as a positive thing Columbus supporters lean on, but I also noticed the way Columbus repeatedly referred to how "the Muslims" blocked trade, "the Muslims" invaded. Those may be factually true statements, but the fact they harp on the religion and not the place those people came from is telling, given the source.
@@donnylurch4207 Exactly. It's like saying "Jews and homosexuals were accused of assault during MeToo." Yes, that is a factually accurate statement (Weinstein was Jewish and Spacey was gay,) but what's the motivation in boiling it down to those specific characteristics? Yes, the Ottoman Empire would often block trade routes and even invade Europe, and was also run by Muslims. Loads of other countries that were open to trade with Europe, or that actively allied against the Ottomans were Muslim. Being Muslim is not the causative factor in invasion or the blocking of trade routes; power is. England and France constantly attacked each other, and neither, to my knowledge, were Muslim.
Didn't the rulers of Spain at the time strip Columbus of his assets and banish him after they found out about what he did to the natives? Their argument of "we can't judge him because things were different back then" falls apart when you realize even his own people found it horrifying
Columbus: "Okay, King, I have successfully finished raping and enslaving the natives!" King: "Wait... what? You mean the Indians? Wait, you did what now?" Columbus: "Well I thought I was in India, but it seemed different so I think I landed somewhere else..." King: "Wait........ YOU DID WHAT?!?!" Columbus: "Oh yeah, I got some guys with firearms there, we set up a colony, got them in chains, and we're going to make so much money off of their resources!" King: "Jesus fucking Christ..... I told you to find a way to Asia so we could legally trade spices! It was a peaceful mission for trade negotiations!" Columbus: "It's a bit late for that. They're really angry now, I don't think they want to talk peace." King: "You at least got spices, right?" Columbus: "EEHhhhhhhh.........." King: "... You... got spices there... right...? I've got a lot of orders coming in, we kind-of need that supply..." Columbus: "Well, Tobacco is KIND-OF a spice...???" King: "Oh my God, I hired an idiot....."
He also tried to justify everything he did with a work called Book of Prophecies. Basically he argued Christanity needed to be spread to the entore world as one of the steps before the second coming of Jesus. He also advocated for a 'Final Crusade' to take back Jerusalem.
No shit, Sherlock. The fact that children shouldn't be taught this stuff in the first place doesn't change that once teachers and companies start indoctrinating them into lies, other people will care about them growing up with the truth instead.
It’s PragerU. I’m sure they would have had the Natives say “He saved us from worshipping trees” or some bullshit about how much worse their lives were before 1492.
AND THEN MOSES SAID, "While I can recognize that what you are doing to my people is wrong, I cannot judge you for it, because it is unfair to expect you to follow my own cultural standards. From the future."
Jesus said unto them “I know my followers will view nailing people to a tree as a bad thing in the future, but the Romans thought it was acceptable, so it’s cool.”
@@MichaelSmith-fq6hz and so Michael Smith-fq6hz spoke "Dear god, Everyone except for Europeans was a good boy, only the explorers of Spains had slaves, but Indians didn't have slaves, Africans didn't have slaves, Muslims, Jews, Amazonians, Mayans, no other group besides the ones that came to America and had white skin owned slaves that they would castrate, beat, r4pe, and work to death because I need to paint the picture that Europeans were uniquely evil even though they were only uniquely responsible for abolishing worldwide slavery through the advent of enlightenment, discovery, and invention."
Jesus did literally say, "slaves, obey your masters!" and that the Israelites should submit to Roman authority ("render unto Caesar what is Caesar's"), so this satirical comment isn't even as unrealistic as it might sound. @@MichaelSmith-fq6hz
@@DrunkenHotei I think saying "slaves, submit to your masters" is different than saying "slavery is good!" I think it has more to Jesus's whole "the first will be last, and the last will be first" ideals.
Columbus: See it's okay that we did bad things to the natives, because by our standards the natives were even worse. Girl: But what about slavery? We think that's bad. Columbus: HOW DARE YOU JUDGE ME BY YOUR CULTURE'S STANDARDS?!
Moral relativism is bad when it doesn't support *your* ideology, but so long as it can be used for some good "whataboutism" against your opposition, it's basically the conservative first line of defense.
“How can you judge me from 500 years in the future.” 1. Didn’t you just go on about how barbarous the Natives were? Either we can judge people from the past with 21st century standards, or we can’t. 2. Columbus was arrested for his behavior as governor. You can argue that the charges were politically motivated or false, but pretending everything Columbus did was normal and acceptable behavior in 1492-1500 is disingenuous at best.
@@angelman906stuff that god made them do btw It's basically a trope in the bible where god makes people do shit and then gets angry or dissapointed in them for doing that shit. Like how in bible story god makes the tribes join forces and attack a enemy tribe causing them to lose half their troops in 2 days and then tells them to make some sacrifices if they want his help. Or how he hardened the Egyptian kings heart and then punished that king for it. They're the best reads in that bore of a book.
Claims of cannibalism should be taken with a grain of salt as well. Europeans would often call other cultures cannibals as an excuse to kill them, true or not. The English did this all the time to the Scottish, even into the colonial era.
To my knowledge, there exist exactly zero primary, contemporary sources demonstrating or admitting to any habitual practice of cannibalism. The claims of tribes being accused of it always come from outside groups; be they European Imperialists or rival local tribes, it was always "oh, those guys over there do it; not us!"
Propaganda and fearmongering are a pretty old concept, it's a very interesting thing. Especially the French Revolution is full of it. Also, Europeans had horrible torture practices and still burned witches on stakes at that time, so it's not like cannibals were that much worse.
This isn't the magic school bus, it's the MAGA school bus. You can tell them apart because this one has "ISLAM AND SOCIALISM SUCK'S" painted in a cautious careful hand by someone who is basically proud of their inability to spell or grasp grammar or punctuation. Also Matt Walsh drives this one and has the kids call him "sweet transportation daddy" because of course he does
I find it very funny that pragar is basically arguing a sort of moral relativism to excuse slavery when i know for a fact theyve argued for morality being objective, unchanging, and known to all of us as proof of god on many different videos Also they conveniently left of the murdering/genocide, which theyd probably have a bit of a harder time defending
Lucky for them, Exodus 21 exists, which lays out the rules for God-acceptable slavery. Here's a nice selection from Verse 20: 20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 BUT they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, *since the slave is their property.* "
@stmsinIt's increasingly becoming the dominating viewpoint of avg conservative, everyday it's less and less fringe. You'd be amazed how many conservatives believe in much crazier stuff than this, it's a sad day for conservatives.
Very funny historical fact, when Christopher Columbus returned to Spain after colonizing whats now the US, even the royalty was like “what the fuck is wrong with you”
Colombus never set a foot on what it is today the US, and thats one of the reasons I find so weird the way americans put colombus as a kind of founder of their country, when he was italian (in a time when Italy as a country didnt exist), he based his operations in Portugal and sailed to the Americas under the flag of Spanish crown with a spanish crew, and all he (and his succesors) "discovered" and conquered was for the Spanish empire and under the approval and blessing of the catholic church.
@@miguelmunozbustos5319 oh shit, my bad! That’s the American education system for you. We literally have conflicting stories of our civil war in half the country because one chunk was overtaken by the Daughters of Confederacy, who literally did what conservatives accused gay teachers of doing- ‘grooming’ children with propaganda. They literally wanted to interfere with any history books critical of the south owning slaves, and replaced the old history books with their own history books insisting that it was NOT about slavery, but “state rights!!!”
@@miguelmunozbustos5319 It makes me wonder too, do the people who believe that realize how far the Vikings travelled? And who the fuck do they think the Americas are named after?
@@miguelmunozbustos5319 To my understanding, it was a way to give Italian immigrants in the early 20th century something to be proud about since they (along with the Irish) were discriminated against much in the same way Latino immigrants are now. They wanted to have someone to point to in history to say, "See, look!!! Here is an Italian man who was instrumental for the founding of the country! We're an important piece of American history!!!" Shame the only person they had to latch on to was Columbus of all people... But keep in mind this is something I learned about online so take it with a grain of salt. I'm obviously not some sort of professor.
so ironic a large amount of republicans hide under the bible to bash others and claim “gods moral code never changes” yet tell others to contextualize mankind’s atrocities claiming we didn’t know any better
@@Mango_Roc69the guy who made florida what it is, is running for president He very much wants to make florida laws standard Luckily he is a moron and a open ghoul so he ain't gonna win
"But when the native population protested rape, Columbus had the noses of all who refused to submit to his authority cut off. In other instances, the indigenous people were castrated and forced to eat their own dirt-encrusted testicles ("we Europeans draw a line..." mmhmm). Or they were simply thrown to the dogs. Bartolomé de Las Casa, an eyewitness to these events wrote, “[The Spanish soldiers] would test their swords and their macho strength on captured Indians and place bets on slicing off heads or cutting of bodies in half with one blow.” While on the island which the inhabitants called Cubanacan, Las Casas recorded the death of 7,000 children within three months because their overworked mothers were so famished they were unable to produce any milk to nurse them. Babies were also used for target practice. Rather than seeing their babies suffer, mothers resorted to drowning them out of sheer desperation. As disturbing as these sadistic acts are, what is worse is that this genocide was committed in the name of Christ. The Spaniards proclaimed their intentions to an indigenous population unfamiliar with the conquistador’s foreign language, not understanding what was about to befall them." From the blog "Our Lucha"
Few things. When you need to put quotation marks inside a quote you use single quotes instead of double (Greg said, "My favorite Shakespeare quote is 'all the world's a stage', but I can never remember the rest.") Makes it easier to read it the way you meant it. Bartolome didn't get to Hispaniola until 1502, Columbus was arrested and forced to leave Hispaniola in 1500. Bartolome was not an eye witness to Columbus' actions there. Bartolome also really liked Columbus. His books always characterize him as intelligent, pious, and open-minded. He nearly always attributes the abuse of the native Americans to the Spanish government despite Columbus' peaceful influence. You shouldn't trust blogs. Look up the stuff they mention yourself. You'll almost always find the blog is wrong in some way.
@@Michael-on3ku The author is a professor of social ethics, theology, and "Latinex religiosity". Not history. Seeing as my degree is also not in history, but I have lectured on it, my claim to your appeal to authority is just as valid. The blog passage doesn't cite any sources either. It just gives unattributed quotes and presents points as fact without evidence. To demonstrate the difference, here's my evidence with an actual citation: "...he was graceful and cheerful well speaking, and, according to the aforementioned Portuguese History, eloquent and glorious in his business; He was serious in moderation, with strangers affable, with those of his house soft and pleasant, with moderate gravity and discreet conversation, and thus he could easily provoke those who saw his love. Finally, he represented in his person and venerable aspect of him, a person of great status and authority and worthy of all reverence; he was sober and moderate in eating, drinking, dressing, and wearing shoes;... In matters of the Christian religion, he was undoubtedly a Catholic and very devout; almost in every thing that he did and said, or wanted to start doing, he always put before: In the name of the Holy Trinity I will do this or see this , or I hope it will be this ; in whatever letter or other thing he wrote, he put in his head: Jesus cum Maria sit nobis in via; And of these writings of his and of his own hand I have in my possession at present a great deal. His oath was sometimes 'I swear to San Fernando;' When he wanted to affirm something of great importance in his letters with an oath, mostly writing to the Monarchs, he would say: 'I swear that this is true.' He fasted the fasts of the Church very observantly; he confessed many times and received communion; he prayed all the canonical hours like the ecclesiastical or religious; most hostile to blasphemies and oaths; he was very devoted to Our Lady and to the seraphic Father San Francisco; He seemed to be very grateful to God for the benefits he received from the divine hand, for which, almost by proverb, each hour brought that God had given him great favors, like David. When some gold or precious things were brought to him, he entered his oratory and fell on his knees, inviting the bystanders and saying: 'Let us give thanks to our Lord who made us worthy of discovering so many goods;'... He was a man of great courageous spirit, of high thoughts, naturally inclined to what can be inferred from his life and deeds and writings and conversation about him, to undertake acts and egregious and distinguished works; patient and long-suffering (as it will appear more below) pardoning injuries, and that he wanted nothing else, according to what he says, but for those who offended him to recognize his errors, and for the delinquents to be reconciled to him; constant and endowed with long-suffering in the works and adversities that always befell him, which were incredible and infinite, always having great confidence in divine Providence, and truly, from what I understood from him, and from my father himself, who with him It was when he returned with people to populate this Spanish Island in the year 93, and from other people who accompanied him and others who served him, he had endearing fidelity and devotion and always kept the Kings." (Las Casas, Historia de las Indias 1.2) More importantly, I don't care about Columbus and have no interest in fighting whatever moralistic culture war you're implying hinges on his character. I'm pointing out that the blog is intentionally misleading the reader by mischaracterizing Bartolome's writings. It's intellectually dishonest and meant to push a specific narrative. Which is probably why it's published on a blog by a self-purported activist and not a reputable journal.
Well reading this made me physically nauseous. I’ll never understand how people claim that we’re currently living in the worst age of humanity when stuff like this was happening a couple of millennia ago.
Other than the problematic things it's teaching kids, it's also visually boring. How can a child be entertained with just three characters standing there and talking?
Maybe I'd show it to my kids after showing them the truth of what Columbus did as an example of, "this is the best that conservatives can muster to support a truly evil historical figure." Them merely trying to suffer through the visuals should be enough to demonstrate the intellectual and even creative poverty of right-wing ideologues. Frequently, idiots do a far better job at making themselves look like fools than those actively arguing against them ever could. Sometimes we need to trust children to see it for themselves (after giving them sufficient context from the reality, of course).
I love how the idea of being a “free thinker” has become co-opted by the people who actively uphold every traditional system of hierarchies and power that we’ve seen since feudalism. Things should always stay the same and progress is BAD! Much free thinker. Much individual thought.
This is the equivelant of saying "was hitler really bad?" and then drawing a cartoon hitler with a teddy bear with him going "look im a cool guy i have a teddy bear, arent I the best?"
The "it was a different time" thing really starts to fall apart when you read first hand accounts of what happened and everyone knew what they where doing was fucked up.
@@God_gundam36 Everyone who knew Columbus hated him, even his own son called him a bastard, and the spanish crown who'd hired them would later exile him. He really wasn't EVROPES best foot forward. Yet for some reason, he's seen as an american symbol.
@@themightycaolf6549 the funniest thing is that there were two literate guys on the boat, Christopher Columbus and a priest. In the priests journal he wrote about all the awful things Christopher Columbus was doing, in Christopher Columbus journal he's bragging about all the awful things he's doing.
@@parakathepyro"there's 2 sides to every story" "we killed them all and it was the coolest shit dude" "the other sides dead so I'm just gonna speak on their behalf and say it was definitely not cool"
“Give me liberty or give me death” “we must have firearms to defend ourselves against oppressive tyrants”... “but it’s way better for others to be enslaved, their liberty is the trash kind. I can’t be a tyrant if they’re not people!”
“He beheaded and skinned people” “You guys he was just a curious little guy who loved exploring” “But what about Slav-“ “HES JUST A CURIOUS LITTLE GUY WHO LOVED TO EXPLORE”
Every one of these is just the kids do one thing vaguely related to the topic to imply something, and then they go back to have a historical figure talk AT them about how America really was the best-est ever and we never did anything wrong, it's the rest of the world that's evil. They literally go back in time to meet Fredrick Douglass and he's like "Yeah, actually Slavery was really cool because it was just a normal part of American life and we're actually good for ending Slavery (after the British and the rest of the western world did). But those people who protested slavery with violence, like in the Civil War? Those guys were bad dudes." And then they literally feel his black hair, as if things weren't racist enough already, lol
@@lukebytes5366 Oh god, I remember this but I also don't remember a single thing actually about it. Just that they go through time and have quick adventures and stuff.
Personally I feel like there isn't much nuance to Christopher Columbus. For the founding fathers, sure they were essential to the founding of America and nuance is warranted, but Columbus? He had nothing to do with America other than accidently discovering a new continent and calling it India (he never even got to anywhere that would become America). He was was also a horrible horrible person, worse than any of the founding fathers by far.
Small correction: He didn't think he was in India, he thought Cuba was mainland China and Hispanola was an outlying island off of Japan's east coast (China and Japan were considered a part of the Indies by Europeans at the time). It doesn't really change your criticism either way, just wanted to let you know.
I mean, he did discover the continent in an expedition nobody thought was possible and nobody was remotely even gonna try to accomplish at the time. Saying he doesn’t have a gigantic role in the history of America is nonsense
I am legitimately curious how he thought a Caribbean island could possibly be India. He must have been looking at some maps at the time of Asia in order to get there, which is a pretty huge place in case you haven’t noticed, while the West Indies are really small. The island he’s theorized to have landed on was only 63 square miles, which was nowhere close to India’s over a million mile landscape, and was obviously attached to other continents instead of a lonely spot of land. That just shows me he really was the biggest idiot of his time.
@@tobyjack1238 Do you not understand that maps at the time were changed every day because new places were literally discovered every day and would contradict the old maps
@@dieu7905 I get that, I do kind of understand, but it seems like a stretch to think the smallest island they could find would be one of the famous countries of Asia.
is no one going to point out italian man Columbus constantly saying ‘ah caramba’ ? and sure, he may know spanish but this was not even a spanish phrase til 19th century. PragerU truly knows history
Wild that conservative principles have become "noooooo, don't say bad things about historical figures whose reputation has no effect on my life whatsoever, they're important because I've heard about them!" It's the weirdest form of celebrity culture and hero worship, because at every turn they could look for two seconds and find someone new to take the place of those figures that DON'T have these reputational issues and are in fact cooler
Conservatives are desperate to conserve white supremacy that's why they are going hard for Columbus and saying things like "slaves should be thankful that Europeans didn't kill them"
This is such a keen comment, totally summarizes my feelings on it. It’s a very greedy sort of nostalgia, clinging to everything that was how you remembered it regardless of whether it held any personal significance to you.
They are 100% showing this trite in Florida classrooms, or will. This is the American-exceptionalistic, conservative, child-grooming version of Brain Pop.
Just teaching kids poor reasoning skills. "Is Person X a paragon hero or evil maniac? Let's go ask him to find out the truth!" As if people dispassionately and objectively self-assess like that. Can you imagine if they showed up, and Columbus was just like, "Really? You have a holiday to me in the future? Your culture is messed up. I'm eeeeeeeeeeevil." Of course he's going to say his actions were right, or at least not to be questioned.
If all the things he did were just part and parcel of what the world was like back then, why was he arrested upon his return to Spain due to how disgusting and shocking the atrocities he committed were? I wonder why Prager U didn't mention that part of history. Also pretending Columbus would be pleased to hear that slavery doesn't exist in the future is the most disgusting fanfic I've ever seen. He literally committed atrocities which were considered barbaric in his own time so how tf can they play him off as some poor forward thinker just trapped in a world of slavery? And them saying "how dare you judge his actions by our modern cultural morality", I guess that didn't apply to him judging the indigenous cultural morality by his own culture. Even within their highly sterilised depiction of history they still managed to fit some hypocrisy in there.
“How dare you judge me for doing something you think is wrong in the future. I didn’t know! But I’m glad that no one’s allowed to do it in your time. But how dare you!”
i like how they make it sound like they were nice to the "peaceful" Taíno and only hurt the bad tribes... then where did all the Taíno go, Dennis? What exactly happened to 99.9% of the Taíno?????
Literally one of the final quotes of a Taino chief was "if heaven is where all the Spaniards go, I'd rather go to Hell" and then he was burned to death on the stake.
Now I want Scoot and Adum watch all of PragerU Kids (or at least the Fredrick Douglas one). Edit: Oh god, there are episodes about Susan B. Anthony, Martin Luther King, and Mother Teresa.
I'm so glad I grew up with the Powerpuff Girls episode where the girls give a harsh lesson to a radical feminist about Susan B. Anthony. I can't imagine what the kids who watch these videos would grow up to be.
Oh sweet god. I almost want to watch the ones about MLK and Susan B. Anthony, but do I really want to subject my brain and eyes to that kind of garbage? Nah.
@@michaelstrong5383That episode was perfect. It embodied the true meaning of feminism, that all people should be equal despite whatever sex they blong to. And by that standard, both sexes deserve to be punched in the face.
I think that the character models not having pupils is a huge contributing factor to the fact that they seem so uncanny. They genuinely look like they’re being possessed by Cthulhu or some shit.
My favorite part about this is how his argument is "you can't judge people based on your norms" when that's literally what he did to the first nations in the previous sentence
Columbus: "everyday I'd look out at the sea and wonder what was out there and who I could enslave, murder and steal land from in the name of my new world".
And he kept arguing it was smaller in circumference such that his trip would bring him all the way around the world, even though the size of the earth had been accurately calculated by Eratosthenes circa 200 BCE. This knowledge was never truly lost, so he was constantly being told how wrong he was by the royal science advisors. For some reason, Isabella listened to him over the actual experts. Not sure if we know why...
Not only was Columbus wrong, other scholars in his own time knew the Earth was round from basic math and seafaring observations. But it doesn't matter as much as the size did, which Columbus was also wrong about, like MaxSpiegelE points out. So not only did Columbus NOT think the world was round but if he didn't happen to find a new continent his bad calculations would have got him killed from a lack of supplies. Just think of how short they were on food and water at the end of their trip to America. Now imagine if that trip was basically twice as long, like researches at the time more correctly guessed.
This is like when the police do an internal investigation to see if the police did anything wrong when they shoot an unarmed black guy and find out they did nothing wrong.
"The ethics committee has investigated the ethics committee and the ethics committee has found the ethics committee is free of ethics....I mean corruption."
human sacrifices: ❌ always wrong 100s of people dying on a voyage across the ocean to become slaves: ⭕️ only wrong if it happened in the past 200 years
I would love to make a PragerU-style animation about Leo and Layla traveling back in time to the holocaust to explain why, although the Nazis did some bad things, we shouldn't criticize them because it was a different time and certain things were more acceptable back then.
Weird that Prager U is referring to the Ottoman Turks as 'The Muslims', but not referring to Europe/The West as 'The Christians". Trying to jingle keys in front of their audience I guess.
I like how Columbus says that we should remember and appreciate all the amazing things the Greeks did, implying that indigenous American tribes don't have anything worth respecting and deserved to be colonized
I love how they specify at the end that you can make a TAX DEDUCTIBLE donation, like "you were gonna lose that money in taxes anyways, why not give it to us". I wonder how it can be tax deductible.
The fact that their cartoon depiction of muslims were these super mean scary warlords, and their depiction of western europeans were little cute chubby lil nerds that is COMPLETELY intentional
Hang on lemme guess based on these character designs the red tall girl is the wise older always right character and the young small blue boy is the naive- wait a moment
27:20 Actually a pretty good counter-point by applying the same logic this video is trying to push on kids. Pretty much as simple as an empathetic 'How would you feel if someone did that to you?'
"But, in Europe we draw the line at things like eating people..." -Widespread cannibalism during the Great Famine of 1315-1317 -Numerous accounts of Crusaders eating their victims following the Siege of Ma'arra in 1098 (though perhaps it doesn't count as they were doing it outside of Europe) -French Catholics ate the hearts and livers of Huguenots during the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre (1572), Protestant corpses were also reportedly butchered and later served at market -An Orangist mob lynched and ate pieces of two anti-monarchist politicians in the Netherlands, 1672 and many more!
The way that Columbus talks about the native people is hilariously tone-deaf. He talks about how them being able to MIMIC SOUNDS was evidence of them being highly intelligent... Like, you realize they're human, right? Was your expectation upon seeing a different race of people for them to lack basic human function? Why are you speaking about them as if they're animals?
>Was your expectation upon seeing a different race of people for them to lack basic human function? Why are you speaking about them as if they're animals? Well, I mean, look who made the video.
Columbus Day was established as an Italian heritage appreciation day back when Italian was not seen as a “white” culture. Some Italian Americans take exception with “their” holiday taken from them.
Analyzing stuff like this is always a blast. Especially when you end up in situations where the message that's being conveyed turns into a dilemma of whether they're trying to say something *bad* or *worse*. Like toward the end, when they manage to say that: "You shouldn't condemn slavery in the 15-18th century, because it was a different culture!" and "Some things are universally bad, regardless of when and why they happen." Because the only way to interpret that is that the video is saying that slavery is not actually a universal evil. Either that, or it's saying that you shouldn't take his word for it and *should* actually condemn the culture of the time, because it permitted slavery. And that's the hilarious thing about conservatives. Their position is so indefensible that the only way to make it *seem like* it's actually defensible is by arguing against themselves. The closest this video ever came to making a point was when it called out people for thinking that pre-colonial America was peaceful and full of happy flower-power hippies who all worshiped nature and shared meals with one another. Obviously it wasn't, but that's a total strawman. But people who do argue like that are racist, and they need to be called out on it. It's a huge landmass and it was home to hundreds of different cultures, some more aggressive and violent than others, and the original population deserves to be characterized as complete and complex human beings with all the nuances, contradictions and problems that come with that, rather than as a Disney stereotype. But even though they were complex and had internal conflicts, that obviously doesn't make what happened to them "okay". It's in no way a defense. Nothing about "Western culture" made Europeans fit to be the arbiters of good and bad in the world, and nothing about the colonization of America had anything to do with some grand, moral crusade.
Something towards the end I want to bring up, because Adum and Scoot talked over this line, but at the end Layla says something along the line of, "I did some more research and it looks like all those negative reports about Columbus came from his competition" So not only did PragerU try to justify his atrocities, they flatout try to deny they happened, which is insane to me. They actually went. "Sure he committed genocide, but even if he did, he was a totally tubular dude, oh but in case that isn't a good enough argument, I've got another one. Nuh Uh..."
One thing I love (read as "hate with a burning passion") is this excuse that "everyone had slavery". Because it undercuts the unique brutality of American chattel slavery. I highly recommend people go read about slavery throughout history. America's version was uniquely evil.
American "chattel" slavery isn't unique. The Arabs and the Ottomans were the most prolific slavers in the world and unlike the Europeans, it wasn't out of the ordinary for their ships to raid coastlines as far as Iceland to capture slaves. India, Ivory Coast, South America, even the Native Americans practiced brutal slave rituals from torture to outright cannibalism (depending on the tribe). To say American slavery is "uniquely" evil can only be uttered if you're truly ignorant of it's global history. BTW, look up the word chattel. By definition all slaves are chattel, dumbass.
The people who made this would probably argue the trail of tears was a good thing cause they where able to see new places and get some great exercise from all the walking
Prager U trying to compare Columbus's horrific actions to "what he accomplished" as if they're on a similar playing field in terms of arguments is ridiculous when one of those led to countless deaths and has had a lasting negative impact on indigenous populations
Columbus in this video: "Look, I think it's stupid that you're judging me for what I did. For example, look at the ancient greeks. I hate what they did because of gay and zeus."
PragerU defender slavery isn't a surprise, but holy shit, I thought they'd at least TRY to have a defense that wasn't just, "It's been around forever soooo"," like holy shit.
Imagine if they went back in time, and if, instead of just standing around on his ship, they actually caught him mid-Geneva Suggestion violations. It'd be even better if the conversation still went exactly the same afterwards. < 3
About food being bland in Medieval Europe: that's simply not true. There are plenty of types of spices they had no access to, but plenty of others, as well as all manner of herbs, that they did have.
The 3 biggest assumptions this cartoon makes that sink it are: 1. The only people who believe Columbus was an awful governor think all Indians held hands and sang Kumbayah. 2. Columbus Day has nothing to do with adding Italians to the American story in the wake of a racially motivated lynching, so we have to do apologetics for a conqueror. 3. Kids like lectures.
I was saying this on a Big Joel video about the same Columbus cartoon, but it truly does baffle me how much leeway they let Columbus get away with. Like, they have this scene where the kids tell him that slavery isn’t allowed in their time and Columbus is happy to hear that we’ve come so far as to abolish such a cruel act. Yet, at the same time, he calls them out for judging him by the standards of our time. So he somehow is simultaneously smart enough to know that slavery is wrong and is glad to see it’s no longer acceptable in the future, but also ignorant enough from the time he lives in that him continuing to commit slavery anyway is okay because he doesn’t know better. Just makes him look like a total hypocrite.
@@carter_lovejoyare they going to use the same logic they are using here, of not judging him by today's standards because 'he was just a man of his time'. Or that genocide has been happening for centuries everywhere so it's OK if he does it also.
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"I can excuse slavery, but I draw the line at cannibalism."
"You can excuse slavery?"
Those are two very different things that both shouldn’t ever be excused.
@@afftertaste"these savages preform religious sacrifices"
Dude who worked on behalf of the institution that started the Spanish inquisition
@@afftertasteYes but often times weirdos will defend European colonialism as "stopping the savages from doing human sacrifices". It's bullshit because European colonists were brutal to everyone they colonized even those they didn't directly participate in human sacrifices/cannibalism. And it's not like Europeans were "noble" and above shit like human sacrifices. Literally the Spanish inquisition was happening when Columbus went to the Americas. And even then, Europeans massively participated in slavery. Everyone back then was horrible by our standards today but for some reason, people want to white wash European crimes.
@@beyvntarson3123 Arguably they do so much damage to both the history of conquest and slavery, it is now effectively impossible to talk about it without some level of bias.
Especially with the weirdos making every argument under the sun for their own racism instead of to actually challenge any kind of perception.
@@afftertasteno shit. It was a reference to the show community
I love how in order to learn whether Columbus helped or hurt the natives they ask Columbus instead of the natives. Prager u is all about LOGIC!
The natives didn't speaking English stupid, time travel doesn't help with that
if only natives had a written language to tell us if he helped or hurt them maybe we could give their account, damn, I guess Christopher Columbus burned them all, cuz I can't find a single account lol.
"Whenever Columbus is not on screen, everyone else should be asking 'Where's Columbus?'."
Columbus bragged about some of the heinous shit he did, and he had many contemporaries who wrote accounts too.
i think you mean 'indians'
You cannot judge Columbus by today’s values. Which is fine because he was fervently denounced by his own people and his own crew.
Hell, the king of Spain, the same man who started the Inquisition, heard of what Columbus did and was basically like "Hold up, you did fucking WHAT?!"
Yeah the whole discovering America BS was written by the author of Sleepy Hollow.
I'm sorry are we going to ignore the fact he cut off a man's nose for mistreatment of slaves which made the king dissolve his land ownership in the new world.
@@noahgiven8189 That doesn't absolve him of criticism.
@@noahgiven8189Yes, we are. Because he didn't cut the man's nose off for OWNING slaves.
"We need an unbiased view of what really happened."
Cuts to a 2D reincarnation of Columbus purposefully designed to look as innocent as possible.
"We need to talk to the source," Only talks to one of the sources.
@@theflickchick9850only talks to the source that people are criticizing instead of talking to the critics or the natives
This is my first thought as well lmao
It's telling that PragerU's idea of a "first source" is something they made up
Even if it was a 100% accurate depiction of Columbus, it would be extremely biased. You can’t ask the person who did bad things if their actions were justified.
I mean it’s like asking Hitler if it was a good or bad thing to kill all the Jewish people.
Columbus really had a lot of respect for the natives. He thought they were an amazing, loving people and really did order his men to treat them well. He'd punish his men that disobeyed his orders.
Never forgot that Columbus was put in prison for the things he did by the Spanish crown he was a monster in his own time.
Then why did Italian Americas used him as a proud symbol, even though he did that and don't found NORTH America?
Yeah for a little while, but then they released him, gave him lots of money, and let him embark on a 4th journey.
"Being taken as a slave is better than being killed no?" makes me remember that in fact during the trans-Atlantic slave trade many African people chose to jump off the boats rather than live as slaves. I'm sure the writers know that and don't care but it's so weirdly callous to write a character going "idk slavery isn't that bad, it's better than death!" when we have historical examples of people indeed would rather be dead than enslaved
Heck, I'm sure we have examples now of people who would rather be dead than enslaved.
Yea im sure that happened
this country was literally founded on "give me freedom or give me death" and we are somehow backtracking
@@slimeball2765 no it was founded on Indian burial grounds
@@IPITYTHEFOOLZ two things can be correct at once
Reasons to convert Columbus day into Lief Erikson's day:
1 - The vikings were actually the first Europeans to discover the Americas.
2 - The vikings were very open about their crimes against humanity, and didn't try to whitewash their crimes away. Based.
3 - Vikings are way cooler.
Need I say more?
4. It was also a SpongeBob joke.
* Leif, not Lief, but yeah😁
*"HING-AH DING-AH DURG-AN"*
5 - funny hats
I’m all for it!
I think the real Christopher Columbus would be more concerned with the unmarried woman showing her naked shoulders, wearing trousers, and speaking out of turn lmao.
One would think a show meant to teach kids about history would explain that girls only started wearing pants fairly recently.
He also kept nine year olds as sex slaves
Also I think he would be confused considering modern English is very different from 15th century English, Spanish and Italian
So, basically Prager U is not only vindicating Columbus, but pinning his crimes on "the Muslims." Not a specific group like the Ottoman Empire; just the religion as a whole. That is insane.
Adum and Scoot kinda talked over this line but towards the End after they go back home Layla says, "And it looks like most of the negative reports about Columbus came from his competition" So they also basically tacked on an "All those bad things people say he did might just be lies anyway"
They pulled all the stops for this guy.
While it is true that the Ottomans denied trade via the Silk Road, the fact that they collectively blame Muslims as a whole is hilarious.
An honest mistake, I'm sure... ;)
This is couched with anti-Muslim sentiment throughout. Scoot mentioned the boy leaning on the spread of Christianity as a positive thing Columbus supporters lean on, but I also noticed the way Columbus repeatedly referred to how "the Muslims" blocked trade, "the Muslims" invaded. Those may be factually true statements, but the fact they harp on the religion and not the place those people came from is telling, given the source.
@@donnylurch4207 Exactly. It's like saying "Jews and homosexuals were accused of assault during MeToo." Yes, that is a factually accurate statement (Weinstein was Jewish and Spacey was gay,) but what's the motivation in boiling it down to those specific characteristics?
Yes, the Ottoman Empire would often block trade routes and even invade Europe, and was also run by Muslims. Loads of other countries that were open to trade with Europe, or that actively allied against the Ottomans were Muslim. Being Muslim is not the causative factor in invasion or the blocking of trade routes; power is. England and France constantly attacked each other, and neither, to my knowledge, were Muslim.
Didn't the rulers of Spain at the time strip Columbus of his assets and banish him after they found out about what he did to the natives? Their argument of "we can't judge him because things were different back then" falls apart when you realize even his own people found it horrifying
Yup even people at the time were horrified by the things he did.
Just think about the fact that the guys who just established the Spanish Inquisition were like: "Man, that Columbus guy is a really f*cked up dude."
@@aenarion21lmfao
Columbus: "Okay, King, I have successfully finished raping and enslaving the natives!"
King: "Wait... what? You mean the Indians? Wait, you did what now?"
Columbus: "Well I thought I was in India, but it seemed different so I think I landed somewhere else..."
King: "Wait........ YOU DID WHAT?!?!"
Columbus: "Oh yeah, I got some guys with firearms there, we set up a colony, got them in chains, and we're going to make so much money off of their resources!"
King: "Jesus fucking Christ..... I told you to find a way to Asia so we could legally trade spices! It was a peaceful mission for trade negotiations!"
Columbus: "It's a bit late for that. They're really angry now, I don't think they want to talk peace."
King: "You at least got spices, right?"
Columbus: "EEHhhhhhhh.........."
King: "... You... got spices there... right...? I've got a lot of orders coming in, we kind-of need that supply..."
Columbus: "Well, Tobacco is KIND-OF a spice...???"
King: "Oh my God, I hired an idiot....."
He also tried to justify everything he did with a work called Book of Prophecies. Basically he argued Christanity needed to be spread to the entore world as one of the steps before the second coming of Jesus. He also advocated for a 'Final Crusade' to take back Jerusalem.
"Stop indoctrinating kids"
*indoctrinates kids*
Lmao for real
"We love indoctrination, we just want to be the ones who are doing it!" - Dennis Prager, 2015
@@thepolarphantasm2319 The PragerU newsletter unironically quotes Hitler ""He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future.""
No shit, Sherlock.
The fact that children shouldn't be taught this stuff in the first place doesn't change that once teachers and companies start indoctrinating them into lies, other people will care about them growing up with the truth instead.
I love the "Yes, we kill and plunder but at least we don't aprove of gay relationships" as an excuse.
I’m sure the cartoon would’ve played out much differently if the kids went to ask the natives about Columbus…
Columbus investigated himself and found he did no wrongdoing. Case closed!
@@trouty606The ethics committee has investigated the ethics committee and found that the ethics committee is free of ethics!
It’s PragerU. I’m sure they would have had the Natives say “He saved us from worshipping trees” or some bullshit about how much worse their lives were before 1492.
If it was a Prager U video probably not. The thousands of people he and his crew personally enslaved would probably thank him for giving them jobs.
@@MichaelSmith-fq6hzthey too, would have balmed Islam somehow
AND THEN MOSES SAID, "While I can recognize that what you are doing to my people is wrong, I cannot judge you for it, because it is unfair to expect you to follow my own cultural standards. From the future."
That was different, because those were god’s chosen people, the “good guys.”
/s
Jesus said unto them “I know my followers will view nailing people to a tree as a bad thing in the future, but the Romans thought it was acceptable, so it’s cool.”
@@MichaelSmith-fq6hz
and so Michael Smith-fq6hz spoke "Dear god, Everyone except for Europeans was a good boy, only the explorers of Spains had slaves, but Indians didn't have slaves, Africans didn't have slaves, Muslims, Jews, Amazonians, Mayans, no other group besides the ones that came to America and had white skin owned slaves that they would castrate, beat, r4pe, and work to death because I need to paint the picture that Europeans were uniquely evil even though they were only uniquely responsible for abolishing worldwide slavery through the advent of enlightenment, discovery, and invention."
Jesus did literally say, "slaves, obey your masters!" and that the Israelites should submit to Roman authority ("render unto Caesar what is Caesar's"), so this satirical comment isn't even as unrealistic as it might sound. @@MichaelSmith-fq6hz
@@DrunkenHotei I think saying "slaves, submit to your masters" is different than saying "slavery is good!"
I think it has more to Jesus's whole "the first will be last, and the last will be first" ideals.
Columbus: See it's okay that we did bad things to the natives, because by our standards the natives were even worse.
Girl: But what about slavery? We think that's bad.
Columbus: HOW DARE YOU JUDGE ME BY YOUR CULTURE'S STANDARDS?!
*immediately judges Greece for being gay*
Moral relativism is bad when it doesn't support *your* ideology, but so long as it can be used for some good "whataboutism" against your opposition, it's basically the conservative first line of defense.
“How can you judge me from 500 years in the future.”
1. Didn’t you just go on about how barbarous the Natives were? Either we can judge people from the past with 21st century standards, or we can’t.
2. Columbus was arrested for his behavior as governor. You can argue that the charges were politically motivated or false, but pretending everything Columbus did was normal and acceptable behavior in 1492-1500 is disingenuous at best.
Columbus: I gotta bring Christianity to the savages through slavery!
The book of Exodus: slavery is literally bad
@@theflickchick9850Pretty sure the bible says slavery IS ok and encouraged unless its towards the Israelites
@@plexyglass429even then, god purposely made the Israelites get enslaved to punish them for stuff.
@@angelman906stuff that god made them do btw
It's basically a trope in the bible where god makes people do shit and then gets angry or dissapointed in them for doing that shit.
Like how in bible story god makes the tribes join forces and attack a enemy tribe causing them to lose half their troops in 2 days and then tells them to make some sacrifices if they want his help.
Or how he hardened the Egyptian kings heart and then punished that king for it.
They're the best reads in that bore of a book.
It's also a mad claim from conservatives that moral values are only really progressing.
Claims of cannibalism should be taken with a grain of salt as well. Europeans would often call other cultures cannibals as an excuse to kill them, true or not. The English did this all the time to the Scottish, even into the colonial era.
The things the English did to the Goidel Celts (Scots and Irish) over the past 400 years are terrible and too often overlooked.
To my knowledge, there exist exactly zero primary, contemporary sources demonstrating or admitting to any habitual practice of cannibalism. The claims of tribes being accused of it always come from outside groups; be they European Imperialists or rival local tribes, it was always "oh, those guys over there do it; not us!"
Propaganda and fearmongering are a pretty old concept, it's a very interesting thing. Especially the French Revolution is full of it. Also, Europeans had horrible torture practices and still burned witches on stakes at that time, so it's not like cannibals were that much worse.
"We can't blame Columbus for raping, murdering, and enslaving the natives it was a different time. BUT THE NATIVES WERE ALSO DIRTY CANIBALS AND-!!!"
@@DrunkenHoteithe Aztec.
PragerU producing a racist The Magic Schoolbus is a plot twist I wasn’t expecting
If you already knew of its existence, what else would you expect Prager U to produce? Quality factual information? Not in this universe...
This isn't the magic school bus, it's the MAGA school bus. You can tell them apart because this one has "ISLAM AND SOCIALISM SUCK'S" painted in a cautious careful hand by someone who is basically proud of their inability to spell or grasp grammar or punctuation.
Also Matt Walsh drives this one and has the kids call him "sweet transportation daddy" because of course he does
Time warp trio for anti vaxx Karen's that think trans people are groomers for existing
@@DrunkenHotei Maybe in like, the Star Trek mirror universe
The magic school bus but Dennis makes Tim and Keesha sit at the back of the bus.
"He spread slavery and diseased"
"But he loved exploring"
*understandable, have a nice day"
The idea that Columbus cared about "Christian values" is hilarious. The man broke all the Commandments except maybe the first one.
I find it very funny that pragar is basically arguing a sort of moral relativism to excuse slavery when i know for a fact theyve argued for morality being objective, unchanging, and known to all of us as proof of god on many different videos
Also they conveniently left of the murdering/genocide, which theyd probably have a bit of a harder time defending
Lucky for them, Exodus 21 exists, which lays out the rules for God-acceptable slavery. Here's a nice selection from Verse 20:
20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result,
21 BUT they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, *since the slave is their property.* "
Morality is absolute except for when conservatives want to defend slavery
@@NatalleeK or trying to excuse evils god does
So conservatives have moved from "calling it slavery is exaggerating" to "actually it was a good thing we, I uh mean they owned slaves"
Always remember: Every accusation is a confession from Conservatives/MAGA Republicans.
@stmsin I'm pretty sure lying about American history or being unaware is vital to be a conservative
@stmsin It's the same picture
@stmsinIt's increasingly becoming the dominating viewpoint of avg conservative, everyday it's less and less fringe. You'd be amazed how many conservatives believe in much crazier stuff than this, it's a sad day for conservatives.
@@no-barknoonan1335 Conseratives know if we told kids about slavery etc they would go up to be progressive that's why they don't want it taught
Very funny historical fact, when Christopher Columbus returned to Spain after colonizing whats now the US, even the royalty was like “what the fuck is wrong with you”
Colombus never set a foot on what it is today the US, and thats one of the reasons I find so weird the way americans put colombus as a kind of founder of their country, when he was italian (in a time when Italy as a country didnt exist), he based his operations in Portugal and sailed to the Americas under the flag of Spanish crown with a spanish crew, and all he (and his succesors) "discovered" and conquered was for the Spanish empire and under the approval and blessing of the catholic church.
@@miguelmunozbustos5319 oh shit, my bad! That’s the American education system for you. We literally have conflicting stories of our civil war in half the country because one chunk was overtaken by the Daughters of Confederacy, who literally did what conservatives accused gay teachers of doing- ‘grooming’ children with propaganda. They literally wanted to interfere with any history books critical of the south owning slaves, and replaced the old history books with their own history books insisting that it was NOT about slavery, but “state rights!!!”
@@miguelmunozbustos5319 It makes me wonder too, do the people who believe that realize how far the Vikings travelled? And who the fuck do they think the Americas are named after?
@@miguelmunozbustos5319I think he's a part of US history because Benjamin Harrison felt bad about the Italian lynching of 1895
@@miguelmunozbustos5319 To my understanding, it was a way to give Italian immigrants in the early 20th century something to be proud about since they (along with the Irish) were discriminated against much in the same way Latino immigrants are now.
They wanted to have someone to point to in history to say, "See, look!!! Here is an Italian man who was instrumental for the founding of the country! We're an important piece of American history!!!"
Shame the only person they had to latch on to was Columbus of all people...
But keep in mind this is something I learned about online so take it with a grain of salt. I'm obviously not some sort of professor.
so ironic a large amount of republicans hide under the bible to bash others and claim “gods moral code never changes” yet tell others to contextualize mankind’s atrocities claiming we didn’t know any better
"we didn't know any better"
The people of the same period who denounced the ottomans for owning slaves
@@carter_lovejoybro just because pragerU posts some dumb crap doesn’t mean that’s going to happen I literally want what you’re smoking
@@Mango_Roc69the guy who made florida what it is, is running for president
He very much wants to make florida laws standard
Luckily he is a moron and a open ghoul so he ain't gonna win
“Gods moral code never changes… except for that time it did which is why the Old Testament doesn’t count.” Supercessionism is a hell of a drug
@@Mango_Roc69How can you want what they’re smoking if it’s causing them to see things that clearly disturb them?
"But when the native population protested rape, Columbus had the noses of all who refused to submit to his authority cut off. In other instances, the indigenous people were castrated and forced to eat their own dirt-encrusted testicles ("we Europeans draw a line..." mmhmm). Or they were simply thrown to the dogs.
Bartolomé de Las Casa, an eyewitness to these events wrote, “[The Spanish soldiers] would test their swords and their macho strength on captured Indians and place bets on slicing off heads or cutting of bodies in half with one blow.”
While on the island which the inhabitants called Cubanacan, Las Casas recorded the death of 7,000 children within three months because their overworked mothers were so famished they were unable to produce any milk to nurse them. Babies were also used for target practice. Rather than seeing their babies suffer, mothers resorted to drowning them out of sheer desperation. As disturbing as these sadistic acts are, what is worse is that this genocide was committed in the name of Christ. The Spaniards proclaimed their intentions to an indigenous population unfamiliar with the conquistador’s foreign language, not understanding what was about to befall them."
From the blog "Our Lucha"
Jesus Fucking Christ.
Few things. When you need to put quotation marks inside a quote you use single quotes instead of double (Greg said, "My favorite Shakespeare quote is 'all the world's a stage', but I can never remember the rest.") Makes it easier to read it the way you meant it.
Bartolome didn't get to Hispaniola until 1502, Columbus was arrested and forced to leave Hispaniola in 1500. Bartolome was not an eye witness to Columbus' actions there.
Bartolome also really liked Columbus. His books always characterize him as intelligent, pious, and open-minded. He nearly always attributes the abuse of the native Americans to the Spanish government despite Columbus' peaceful influence.
You shouldn't trust blogs. Look up the stuff they mention yourself. You'll almost always find the blog is wrong in some way.
@@Michael-on3ku
The author is a professor of social ethics, theology, and "Latinex religiosity". Not history. Seeing as my degree is also not in history, but I have lectured on it, my claim to your appeal to authority is just as valid.
The blog passage doesn't cite any sources either. It just gives unattributed quotes and presents points as fact without evidence. To demonstrate the difference, here's my evidence with an actual citation:
"...he was graceful and cheerful well speaking, and, according to the aforementioned Portuguese History, eloquent and glorious in his business; He was serious in moderation, with strangers affable, with those of his house soft and pleasant, with moderate gravity and discreet conversation, and thus he could easily provoke those who saw his love. Finally, he represented in his person and venerable aspect of him, a person of great status and authority and worthy of all reverence; he was sober and moderate in eating, drinking, dressing, and wearing shoes;... In matters of the Christian religion, he was undoubtedly a Catholic and very devout; almost in every thing that he did and said, or wanted to start doing, he always put before: In the name of the Holy Trinity I will do this or see this , or I hope it will be this ; in whatever letter or other thing he wrote, he put in his head: Jesus cum Maria sit nobis in via; And of these writings of his and of his own hand I have in my possession at present a great deal. His oath was sometimes
'I swear to San Fernando;' When he wanted to affirm something of great importance in his letters with an oath, mostly writing to the Monarchs, he would say: 'I swear that this is true.' He fasted the fasts of the Church very observantly; he confessed many times and received communion; he prayed all the canonical hours like the ecclesiastical or religious; most hostile to blasphemies and oaths; he was very devoted to Our Lady and to the seraphic Father San Francisco; He seemed to be very grateful to God for the benefits he received from the divine hand, for which, almost by proverb, each hour brought that God had given him great favors, like David. When some gold or precious things were brought to him, he entered his oratory and fell on his knees, inviting the bystanders and saying: 'Let us give thanks to our Lord who made us worthy of discovering so many goods;'... He was a man of great courageous spirit, of high thoughts, naturally inclined to what can be inferred from his life and deeds and writings and conversation about him, to undertake acts and egregious and distinguished works; patient and long-suffering (as it will appear more below) pardoning injuries, and that he wanted nothing else, according to what he says, but for those who offended him to recognize his errors, and for the delinquents to be reconciled to him; constant and endowed with long-suffering in the works and adversities that always befell him, which were incredible and infinite, always having great confidence in divine Providence, and truly, from what I understood from him, and from my father himself, who with him It was when he returned with people to populate this Spanish Island in the year 93, and from other people who accompanied him and others who served him, he had endearing fidelity and devotion and always kept the Kings." (Las Casas, Historia de las Indias 1.2)
More importantly, I don't care about Columbus and have no interest in fighting whatever moralistic culture war you're implying hinges on his character. I'm pointing out that the blog is intentionally misleading the reader by mischaracterizing Bartolome's writings. It's intellectually dishonest and meant to push a specific narrative. Which is probably why it's published on a blog by a self-purported activist and not a reputable journal.
And to this day so many Latinos and other descendants of indigenous peoples are still devoutly, hardcore Catholic/Christian. So sad.
Well reading this made me physically nauseous. I’ll never understand how people claim that we’re currently living in the worst age of humanity when stuff like this was happening a couple of millennia ago.
I always wondered why America had a holiday dedicated to the director of the Harry Potter films
Now that's a Columbus Day I'll celebrate. Spend all day watching the first two Home Alone movies and Mrs. Doubtfire.
@@michaelstrong5383seeing how well he handles evil protagonists, maybe he SHOULD tackle the other columbus
PragerU is something else. One thing it isn’t, is something to show your kids
Other than the problematic things it's teaching kids, it's also visually boring. How can a child be entertained with just three characters standing there and talking?
@@michaelstrong5383because this is made for parents no kids lol
It's also not a university.
@@God_gundam36 I don't think that was the intent.
Maybe I'd show it to my kids after showing them the truth of what Columbus did as an example of, "this is the best that conservatives can muster to support a truly evil historical figure." Them merely trying to suffer through the visuals should be enough to demonstrate the intellectual and even creative poverty of right-wing ideologues.
Frequently, idiots do a far better job at making themselves look like fools than those actively arguing against them ever could. Sometimes we need to trust children to see it for themselves (after giving them sufficient context from the reality, of course).
“Is it true that you trafficked live human beings?”
“Well, you see it’s very common in history and normal and…”
“That’s not a ‘no,’ Christopher”
I love how the idea of being a “free thinker” has become co-opted by the people who actively uphold every traditional system of hierarchies and power that we’ve seen since feudalism. Things should always stay the same and progress is BAD! Much free thinker. Much individual thought.
"It was a different time!"
Slavery abolitionists in medieval times:
>"better to be a slave than die right"
now i may be wrong, but i believe there were a few reports of slaves dying and being killed
Adam's ability to catch backgrounds dropped for single frames is superhuman
It honestly shocked me lmao
This is the equivelant of saying "was hitler really bad?" and then drawing a cartoon hitler with a teddy bear with him going "look im a cool guy i have a teddy bear, arent I the best?"
The weirdest thing is that columbus kept a journal of his travels, you could just teach kids using his journal.
The "it was a different time" thing really starts to fall apart when you read first hand accounts of what happened and everyone knew what they where doing was fucked up.
@@God_gundam36 Everyone who knew Columbus hated him, even his own son called him a bastard, and the spanish crown who'd hired them would later exile him. He really wasn't EVROPES best foot forward. Yet for some reason, he's seen as an american symbol.
And read about all the indians sacrificing their children
@@themightycaolf6549 the funniest thing is that there were two literate guys on the boat, Christopher Columbus and a priest. In the priests journal he wrote about all the awful things Christopher Columbus was doing, in Christopher Columbus journal he's bragging about all the awful things he's doing.
@@parakathepyro"there's 2 sides to every story"
"we killed them all and it was the coolest shit dude"
"the other sides dead so I'm just gonna speak on their behalf and say it was definitely not cool"
I love the 'better to be a slave than dead' sentiment. I mean... you didn't have to kill them either, right? xD
“Give me liberty or give me death” “we must have firearms to defend ourselves against oppressive tyrants”... “but it’s way better for others to be enslaved, their liberty is the trash kind. I can’t be a tyrant if they’re not people!”
“He beheaded and skinned people”
“You guys he was just a curious little guy who loved exploring”
“But what about Slav-“
“HES JUST A CURIOUS LITTLE GUY WHO LOVED TO EXPLORE”
How amazing would it have been if they jumped back in time and there was Christopher Columbus just whipping a slave to within an inch of his life
"slavery? i don't see the problem!"
-a kids channel
How do you manage to make a premise of kids time traveling to learn history boring as sin? They basically just got a lecture.
Every one of these is just the kids do one thing vaguely related to the topic to imply something, and then they go back to have a historical figure talk AT them about how America really was the best-est ever and we never did anything wrong, it's the rest of the world that's evil.
They literally go back in time to meet Fredrick Douglass and he's like "Yeah, actually Slavery was really cool because it was just a normal part of American life and we're actually good for ending Slavery (after the British and the rest of the western world did). But those people who protested slavery with violence, like in the Civil War? Those guys were bad dudes."
And then they literally feel his black hair, as if things weren't racist enough already, lol
Magic tree house anyone?
@@lukebytes5366 Oh god, I remember this but I also don't remember a single thing actually about it. Just that they go through time and have quick adventures and stuff.
Personally I feel like there isn't much nuance to Christopher Columbus. For the founding fathers, sure they were essential to the founding of America and nuance is warranted, but Columbus? He had nothing to do with America other than accidently discovering a new continent and calling it India (he never even got to anywhere that would become America). He was was also a horrible horrible person, worse than any of the founding fathers by far.
Small correction: He didn't think he was in India, he thought Cuba was mainland China and Hispanola was an outlying island off of Japan's east coast (China and Japan were considered a part of the Indies by Europeans at the time). It doesn't really change your criticism either way, just wanted to let you know.
I mean, he did discover the continent in an expedition nobody thought was possible and nobody was remotely even gonna try to accomplish at the time. Saying he doesn’t have a gigantic role in the history of America is nonsense
I am legitimately curious how he thought a Caribbean island could possibly be India. He must have been looking at some maps at the time of Asia in order to get there, which is a pretty huge place in case you haven’t noticed, while the West Indies are really small. The island he’s theorized to have landed on was only 63 square miles, which was nowhere close to India’s over a million mile landscape, and was obviously attached to other continents instead of a lonely spot of land. That just shows me he really was the biggest idiot of his time.
@@tobyjack1238 Do you not understand that maps at the time were changed every day because new places were literally discovered every day and would contradict the old maps
@@dieu7905 I get that, I do kind of understand, but it seems like a stretch to think the smallest island they could find would be one of the famous countries of Asia.
is no one going to point out italian man Columbus constantly saying ‘ah caramba’ ? and sure, he may know spanish but this was not even a spanish phrase til 19th century. PragerU truly knows history
"At least we aren't as bad as them" is their excuse for slavery holy shit
They should have had a scene where Leo and Layla go below deck and interview some of the many slaves and ask them how they feel about the situation.
Wild that conservative principles have become "noooooo, don't say bad things about historical figures whose reputation has no effect on my life whatsoever, they're important because I've heard about them!"
It's the weirdest form of celebrity culture and hero worship, because at every turn they could look for two seconds and find someone new to take the place of those figures that DON'T have these reputational issues and are in fact cooler
Conservatives are desperate to conserve white supremacy that's why they are going hard for Columbus and saying things like "slaves should be thankful that Europeans didn't kill them"
It’s stubbornness.
This is such a keen comment, totally summarizes my feelings on it. It’s a very greedy sort of nostalgia, clinging to everything that was how you remembered it regardless of whether it held any personal significance to you.
Don’t assume their (Pragu) point isn’t to defend slavery by propping up people who facilitated it.
They are 100% showing this trite in Florida classrooms, or will. This is the American-exceptionalistic, conservative, child-grooming version of Brain Pop.
At the very least, it’s so fucking boring that no child will ever let it sink in
lgbt and all that gay crap is worse.
This stuff deserves no comparison to Brain Pop. Brain Pop was the bomb.
Just teaching kids poor reasoning skills. "Is Person X a paragon hero or evil maniac? Let's go ask him to find out the truth!" As if people dispassionately and objectively self-assess like that. Can you imagine if they showed up, and Columbus was just like, "Really? You have a holiday to me in the future? Your culture is messed up. I'm eeeeeeeeeeevil." Of course he's going to say his actions were right, or at least not to be questioned.
I like that Adum for the most part just ignores everything weird and gross that Scoot says, it's so funny to me.
He drags the video out sometimes especially with the creepy ramblings
If all the things he did were just part and parcel of what the world was like back then, why was he arrested upon his return to Spain due to how disgusting and shocking the atrocities he committed were? I wonder why Prager U didn't mention that part of history.
Also pretending Columbus would be pleased to hear that slavery doesn't exist in the future is the most disgusting fanfic I've ever seen. He literally committed atrocities which were considered barbaric in his own time so how tf can they play him off as some poor forward thinker just trapped in a world of slavery?
And them saying "how dare you judge his actions by our modern cultural morality", I guess that didn't apply to him judging the indigenous cultural morality by his own culture. Even within their highly sterilised depiction of history they still managed to fit some hypocrisy in there.
“How dare you judge me for doing something you think is wrong in the future. I didn’t know! But I’m glad that no one’s allowed to do it in your time. But how dare you!”
Not to mention even other slaver owners were disturbed by his atrocities.
Because culture war.
Free Slurpee Day is a more important holiday we celebrate.
National Ice Cream Day should be considered a federal holiday!
@carter_lovejoy Yeah we should get that on a ballot. Ice cream is my favorite food
Leif Erikson Day has a better argument for being a federal holiday than Columbus Day does.
Hinga Dinga Durgen!
I wait all year for National Free Balloon Day.
"Gay sex and Zeus" is going to be the name of my new book
"In the modern day, we don't like slavery."
"That's great!"
"Then why were you doing it?"
"Slavery is as old as time..."
i like how they make it sound like they were nice to the "peaceful" Taíno and only hurt the bad tribes... then where did all the Taíno go, Dennis? What exactly happened to 99.9% of the Taíno?????
Literally one of the final quotes of a Taino chief was "if heaven is where all the Spaniards go, I'd rather go to Hell" and then he was burned to death on the stake.
Let's be fair, Columbus wouldn't shoot the time traveling kids. He would just throw the boy off board and keep the girl in a barrel.
Now I want Scoot and Adum watch all of PragerU Kids (or at least the Fredrick Douglas one).
Edit: Oh god, there are episodes about Susan B. Anthony, Martin Luther King, and Mother Teresa.
I'm so glad I grew up with the Powerpuff Girls episode where the girls give a harsh lesson to a radical feminist about Susan B. Anthony. I can't imagine what the kids who watch these videos would grow up to be.
Oh sweet god. I almost want to watch the ones about MLK and Susan B. Anthony, but do I really want to subject my brain and eyes to that kind of garbage? Nah.
@@SomeIcelandicDudeprager u go out of their way to avoid the topic of race in the mlk one, it's bizarre
@@michaelstrong5383That episode was perfect. It embodied the true meaning of feminism, that all people should be equal despite whatever sex they blong to.
And by that standard, both sexes deserve to be punched in the face.
why does the italian explorer keep saying CARAMBA like he's speedy gonzalez
I think that the character models not having pupils is a huge contributing factor to the fact that they seem so uncanny. They genuinely look like they’re being possessed by Cthulhu or some shit.
it’s funny because even back then they were like “dude what the fuck did you do, that’s bad you can’t do that”
My favorite part about this is how his argument is "you can't judge people based on your norms" when that's literally what he did to the first nations in the previous sentence
Columbus: "everyday I'd look out at the sea and wonder what was out there and who I could enslave, murder and steal land from in the name of my new world".
Ah yes, kids love watching basically a static shot of people having an information dump of a conversation.
Fun Fact Christoper Columbus didn’t believe the world was flat, he believed that the world was Pear Shaped. 😏
And has a succulent nipple at the top.
🥵 🌎
And he kept arguing it was smaller in circumference such that his trip would bring him all the way around the world, even though the size of the earth had been accurately calculated by Eratosthenes circa 200 BCE. This knowledge was never truly lost, so he was constantly being told how wrong he was by the royal science advisors. For some reason, Isabella listened to him over the actual experts. Not sure if we know why...
Not only was Columbus wrong, other scholars in his own time knew the Earth was round from basic math and seafaring observations. But it doesn't matter as much as the size did, which Columbus was also wrong about, like MaxSpiegelE points out.
So not only did Columbus NOT think the world was round but if he didn't happen to find a new continent his bad calculations would have got him killed from a lack of supplies. Just think of how short they were on food and water at the end of their trip to America. Now imagine if that trip was basically twice as long, like researches at the time more correctly guessed.
And that it had a nipple! I’m not kidding!
Cool Cat Saves The Indigenous Peoples.
This is like when the police do an internal investigation to see if the police did anything wrong when they shoot an unarmed black guy and find out they did nothing wrong.
"The ethics committee has investigated the ethics committee and the ethics committee has found the ethics committee is free of ethics....I mean corruption."
Columbus: "been a slave is better then been shot right guys. Cool ok give me all your women and kids"
human sacrifices: ❌ always wrong
100s of people dying on a voyage across the ocean to become slaves: ⭕️ only wrong if it happened in the past 200 years
I would love to make a PragerU-style animation about Leo and Layla traveling back in time to the holocaust to explain why, although the Nazis did some bad things, we shouldn't criticize them because it was a different time and certain things were more acceptable back then.
Weird that Prager U is referring to the Ottoman Turks as 'The Muslims', but not referring to Europe/The West as 'The Christians".
Trying to jingle keys in front of their audience I guess.
Funny thing about that cannibalism bit, considering 15th century Europe's thing about eating mummies.
I like how Columbus says that we should remember and appreciate all the amazing things the Greeks did, implying that indigenous American tribes don't have anything worth respecting and deserved to be colonized
PragerU is not only pro slavery, they are also pro white man's burden
I love how they specify at the end that you can make a TAX DEDUCTIBLE donation, like "you were gonna lose that money in taxes anyways, why not give it to us". I wonder how it can be tax deductible.
Prager U is legally a nonprofit. As far as the government cares, it's the same as giving money to cancer research.
The fact that their cartoon depiction of muslims were these super mean scary warlords, and their depiction of western europeans were little cute chubby lil nerds
that is COMPLETELY intentional
I love that PragerU skips over that Columbus thought the earth was shaped like a fucking Pear.
Hang on lemme guess based on these character designs the red tall girl is the wise older always right character
and the young small blue boy is the naive- wait a moment
They obviousley represent sharkboy and lavagirl.
Columbus saying "I ordered my men to treat them well" genuinely feels like satire, it's so ridiculous and comical and absurd.
27:20 Actually a pretty good counter-point by applying the same logic this video is trying to push on kids. Pretty much as simple as an empathetic 'How would you feel if someone did that to you?'
This is why I celebrate Leaf Erickson day instead. Hinga Dinga Durgan!
"But, in Europe we draw the line at things like eating people..."
-Widespread cannibalism during the Great Famine of 1315-1317
-Numerous accounts of Crusaders eating their victims following the Siege of Ma'arra in 1098
(though perhaps it doesn't count as they were doing it outside of Europe)
-French Catholics ate the hearts and livers of Huguenots during the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre (1572), Protestant corpses were also reportedly butchered and later served at market
-An Orangist mob lynched and ate pieces of two anti-monarchist politicians in the Netherlands, 1672
and many more!
You forgot medicinal cannibalism
I thought the full title was YMS reacts to Prager U defending columbine
give it a few more years
Conservative Christians: morality is objective, not subjective.
Also Conservative Christians: it was a different time period, you can't blame them.
The way that Columbus talks about the native people is hilariously tone-deaf. He talks about how them being able to MIMIC SOUNDS was evidence of them being highly intelligent... Like, you realize they're human, right? Was your expectation upon seeing a different race of people for them to lack basic human function? Why are you speaking about them as if they're animals?
>Was your expectation upon seeing a different race of people for them to lack basic human function? Why are you speaking about them as if they're animals?
Well, I mean, look who made the video.
I really wanna know why Columbus is considered a hill worth dying on.
Columbus Day was established as an Italian heritage appreciation day back when Italian was not seen as a “white” culture. Some Italian Americans take exception with “their” holiday taken from them.
For real!
Analyzing stuff like this is always a blast. Especially when you end up in situations where the message that's being conveyed turns into a dilemma of whether they're trying to say something *bad* or *worse*. Like toward the end, when they manage to say that: "You shouldn't condemn slavery in the 15-18th century, because it was a different culture!" and "Some things are universally bad, regardless of when and why they happen." Because the only way to interpret that is that the video is saying that slavery is not actually a universal evil. Either that, or it's saying that you shouldn't take his word for it and *should* actually condemn the culture of the time, because it permitted slavery.
And that's the hilarious thing about conservatives. Their position is so indefensible that the only way to make it *seem like* it's actually defensible is by arguing against themselves.
The closest this video ever came to making a point was when it called out people for thinking that pre-colonial America was peaceful and full of happy flower-power hippies who all worshiped nature and shared meals with one another. Obviously it wasn't, but that's a total strawman. But people who do argue like that are racist, and they need to be called out on it. It's a huge landmass and it was home to hundreds of different cultures, some more aggressive and violent than others, and the original population deserves to be characterized as complete and complex human beings with all the nuances, contradictions and problems that come with that, rather than as a Disney stereotype. But even though they were complex and had internal conflicts, that obviously doesn't make what happened to them "okay". It's in no way a defense. Nothing about "Western culture" made Europeans fit to be the arbiters of good and bad in the world, and nothing about the colonization of America had anything to do with some grand, moral crusade.
I love how there are letters and diaries from his crew saying he took it a little too far
Ay caramba isn't even an italian exclamation lmao, it's driving me insane
Cristoforo Colombo, which was his real name, would not be glad slavery was abolished. He would be disappointed he could no longer profit off of it.
Something towards the end I want to bring up, because Adum and Scoot talked over this line, but at the end Layla says something along the line of, "I did some more research and it looks like all those negative reports about Columbus came from his competition"
So not only did PragerU try to justify his atrocities, they flatout try to deny they happened, which is insane to me. They actually went. "Sure he committed genocide, but even if he did, he was a totally tubular dude, oh but in case that isn't a good enough argument, I've got another one. Nuh Uh..."
you gotta love content made for kids that tries to put "Spreading Christianity" in a positive light
One thing I love (read as "hate with a burning passion") is this excuse that "everyone had slavery". Because it undercuts the unique brutality of American chattel slavery. I highly recommend people go read about slavery throughout history. America's version was uniquely evil.
American "chattel" slavery isn't unique. The Arabs and the Ottomans were the most prolific slavers in the world and unlike the Europeans, it wasn't out of the ordinary for their ships to raid coastlines as far as Iceland to capture slaves. India, Ivory Coast, South America, even the Native Americans practiced brutal slave rituals from torture to outright cannibalism (depending on the tribe). To say American slavery is "uniquely" evil can only be uttered if you're truly ignorant of it's global history.
BTW, look up the word chattel. By definition all slaves are chattel, dumbass.
We need to trans the land by cutting off the peninsula. Florida.
The people who made this would probably argue the trail of tears was a good thing cause they where able to see new places and get some great exercise from all the walking
Prager U trying to compare Columbus's horrific actions to "what he accomplished" as if they're on a similar playing field in terms of arguments is ridiculous when one of those led to countless deaths and has had a lasting negative impact on indigenous populations
Columbus in this video: "Look, I think it's stupid that you're judging me for what I did. For example, look at the ancient greeks. I hate what they did because of gay and zeus."
PragerU defender slavery isn't a surprise, but holy shit, I thought they'd at least TRY to have a defense that wasn't just, "It's been around forever soooo"," like holy shit.
Imagine if they went back in time, and if, instead of just standing around on his ship, they actually caught him mid-Geneva Suggestion violations. It'd be even better if the conversation still went exactly the same afterwards. < 3
About food being bland in Medieval Europe: that's simply not true. There are plenty of types of spices they had no access to, but plenty of others, as well as all manner of herbs, that they did have.
The 3 biggest assumptions this cartoon makes that sink it are:
1. The only people who believe Columbus was an awful governor think all Indians held hands and sang Kumbayah.
2. Columbus Day has nothing to do with adding Italians to the American story in the wake of a racially motivated lynching, so we have to do apologetics for a conqueror.
3. Kids like lectures.
With each day that passes, the more that Adam starts to look like Jeff the killer .
'It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees" -- Emiliano Zapata
I was saying this on a Big Joel video about the same Columbus cartoon, but it truly does baffle me how much leeway they let Columbus get away with.
Like, they have this scene where the kids tell him that slavery isn’t allowed in their time and Columbus is happy to hear that we’ve come so far as to abolish such a cruel act. Yet, at the same time, he calls them out for judging him by the standards of our time. So he somehow is simultaneously smart enough to know that slavery is wrong and is glad to see it’s no longer acceptable in the future, but also ignorant enough from the time he lives in that him continuing to commit slavery anyway is okay because he doesn’t know better. Just makes him look like a total hypocrite.
Now I want Prager U to make one of these, but with people like Che Guevara, Fidel Castro and Karl Marx.
Imagine them doing one for H*tler (unless they already did one)
@@carter_lovejoyare they going to use the same logic they are using here, of not judging him by today's standards because 'he was just a man of his time'. Or that genocide has been happening for centuries everywhere so it's OK if he does it also.
@@sarasilly either that or they’ll claim that he and the N@zi party were “radical liberal socialists.”
Check out the one they did using Frederick Douglass, also justifying slavery. Or don’t check it out; cuz it’s pretty awful