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I got completely taken in by what the radio was saying vs Nael’s dream. The juxtaposition of both narratives was one of the greatest part of the DLC to me.
Takahashi is definitely planning something big. And I’m excited for it.
A collab with yoko taro
@@SamuraiChamploo654 ooooh that would be so nice..
@@agamersinsanity That would be so chaotic
@@SamuraiChamploo654 oh God no....
Yooo hopefully this series ends like Kingdom Hearts. A never ending ridiculous shit! 🙏
You're forgetting how they mentioned that one of the colony ships was a "Philladelphia-Class", which alson ties it into Xenogears.
Yeah, the Eldridge from Xenogears.
Something important to note is that in xenoblade 2, where kosmos and t-elos are there AS CHARACTERS, xenosaga is NOT in the copyright credits. Meanwhile, in xenoblade 3, just for a logo and namedrop, they are credited in the copyright.
BANDAI NAMCO Entertainment Inc. and BANDAI NAMCO Studios Inc. are both included in the "Blade Design Support" section.
I doubt we'll see any saga related stuff going forword unless they managed a deal with Bandai . Plus there would need to be big retcons to make Saga fit the continuity
Okay I get it, you're dumb. Dont need to write a comment about it Suzy!
@@Touma_S Given the franchise's success, I can totally seem them managing it.
@@ShadowWolfRising I'd rather something completely new than another rehash of the past games
@@Touma_S why not both
The biggest thing this scene implies is KOS-MOS and T-ELOS were made by Vector Industries before Earth's disaster in the Xenoblade universe. In Xenoblade 2's artbook KOS-MOS Refrain was stated to have been built by Vector Industries, specifically by a Shion Uzuki and Allen Ridgely. KOS-MOS also knew how the First Low Orbital Space Station was made, and in general had more special properties than a normal blade. Core crystals were not even fully realized back then, but were around. Vector making experimental artificial lifeforms with immense power sure sounds like something they would do. In a way that would make KOS-MOS the first "blade".
Now that we know there was a Vector Industries around at the time of Klaus's experiment, the artbook information may be more than just a slight reference. Clearly all the characters with names from Xenosaga are not the same people, being born on Earth and thousands of years earlier, but the fact they existed at all is very interesting.
I thought I'd share something I pieces together from a few Takahashi interviews.
In an interview with Hashino, who's working on the Persona series, Takahashi gets asked about the original six episode story that he planned and was outlined in "Perfect works". To that he answers "Takahashi: For as long as I’m alive, I want to release the “answers” someday."
In a message he shared before for Future redeemed he said "I think that everyone who played this title and the additional stories in the Expansion Pass can imagine what lies in the future for Xenoblade."
This obviously points me to the ending of future redeemed, and the very interesting things said on the radio, especially that name drop, and the glimmer falling to earth in the end.
It seems we might actually be getting the perfect works story, that was never properly told before.
Given that Takahashi said both these things, especially that he wants to release the answer as to what the original plan outlined in Perfect works was, it's quite possible he's planning to tell the whole PW story, not specifically make Saga 4.
Also knowing how Saga's development went, and how Takahashi and Tanaka weren't allowed to work on Saga 2 and 3 as planned, or tell their stories, it's highly probable he'd want to actually tell the story he wanted to. It would be extremely strange if he'd' just continue from the story of a different series, owned by a different publisher, in Blade with no additional context or the story itself in the current series. It seams more reasonable that he'd retell the story in Xenoblade.
The lyrics in the end song, which was written by him, could easily be read as him deciding to go for what he's wanted to do for a very long time, go through the door as it is sung.
Elma in the Xenoblade 2 DLC just straight up mentions that there’s likely a bigger reason why she met Shulk and Rex. It even follows with Rex repeating Alvis lines of life walking together “hand in hand” which Future Redeems also repeats.
Potentially because the world was split into two different universes, we could have a situation where one universe had only the aliens while the other one had humanity amongst the stars.
I dont think the dlc is canon or even implied to be
@@cringe4173 what about the dlc makes it not canon
@@marzappel8858 shulk and fiora becoming blades is something that seems very unlikely to be canon. Also shulk has the monado I again, fiora has her long hair instead of short after, also elma just makes 0 sense in the canon
None of the DLC characters are canon or else Rex and Shulk met way earlier than the worlds merging lmao.
There's nothing in 3 that would contradict 2's DLC being when Shulk and Rex (and Elma) first met, as it only stated that they didn't start active communication outside the Archsage's control until after 1 and 2's main stories. It might have even been how the two worlds discovered each other.
Shulk and Fiora becoming blades could just be Archsage bs so the devs didn't have to create 2 new party members, but them being made entirely out of ether could be his in universe reason, since that's true for everything in 1's world but only for blades in 2's, which could have adverse effects if he didn't make the correction.
Nothing in X contradicts Elma being in 2, as she only ever experiences it in what she thinks are battle simulations or dreams, so it could theoretically take place during X's main story; although, I don't think it's impossible for it to take place afterwards.
2's KOS-MOS and T-elos are summoned from core crystals, so them existing in Xenoblade 2 could easily be explained by the Trinity processor containing their schematics and copying them into blades while the real versions are out in space being in Xenosaga's plot.
Nothing about the DLC has to contradict canon, so it's entirely fair to say that it is canon, especially with 3 lore and the blade series' future apparently having been in the works since basically X's release. It was likely meant to be canon to serve as foreshadowing for whatever happens in Xenoblade next, i.e. the # blades, X, and Saga all being closely connected somehow.
I too lost it when they showed Vector from despicable me
Having only played the mainline blade games I thought everyone was freaking out about the X reference. Now I really want to play Xenosaga. Takahashi is cooking and I’m so here for it
It’s possible they can retcon details in X and xenosaga to modernize the story and help it flow with Xenoblade’s continuity. It’s hard to predict how they unravel it but I’m confident in them
Remake X your saying.
Exactly, just like they did with XC1 and Alvis
In other news, Takahashi said he would like to bring X to Switch but like a reimagining closer to his vision, therefore is entirely possible they change bits of the opening scene of X to make it fit.
And they for sure will do some stuff like that if Xenosaga gets remade.
@@homebrewGT2 I think they’re gonna remake xenosaga to streamline the gameplay, artstyle and add/change story points. I do hope it has its own battle system and not based on the blade ones
@@charliev8224 The gameplay needs to be revised, the way you move around the world.. its too clunky and outdated for modern times... hopefully a remake has been in the works for some time now. Monolith has grown in size for a while now... better be busy making those Xeno games! :D
@@charliev8224 regarding the possibility of them changing the story of Xenosaga, there is a precedent for that, in the Xenosaga 1+2 ds game. Apparently, the part of Xenosaga 2 is quite different from what the original game presented (but I can't confirm that, because the game hasn't been released outside of Japan). I recommend you to look into that yourself if you haven't done it already, because there is more to the story that what I'm telling here (not exactly a rabbit hole, but close enough).
If they remake the games, I'd bet anything on they using the DS script as a base for the first 2 games.
My current interpretation of the radio scene is that its setting up the future arc where elements from saga and x will be drawn in, without making the entire things canon. In a similar way to how marvel movies draw from the comics as a source without making every iron man comic ever canon.
A nice way to continue those series stories/themes without hacking apart the source materials to make everything fit.
Of course X is canon. Elma canonically has met Shulk and Rex!
@XenoWarrior Shion and co interacting with the Xenoblade cast would be a good standard to set it from "references" to "fact". A logo, a reference to Xenogears which is also not cannon to Xenosaga, and a name of a person who was born 5000 years after Earth was lost, and under very different circumstances to the Xenosaga version, is not enough. Not to mention Klaus's experiment and Grimoire Verum's experiment do not even vaguely line up.
@@PenguinSage well then how about one of Zanza's creatures from Xenoblade 1 showing up or that portions of the orbital ring on Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is found on Mira (I think that is what the planet was called). Add in the actions of the Nopon Archmage and it is extremely likely that X would be dawn in somehow. It is connected in one way or another.
@XenoWarrior directly referencing the actual events of those games. In Sagas case Vector is basically a constant and Dmitri shouldn't exist on earth. But if this is a new Dmitri, one who as a contemporary of Klaus started a war to get the conduit and was still obsessed with preserving his life beyond the normal span. Then he's set up to show up and be a villain again. Similar enough background/motivation but molded to fit blade vs being retconned to.
@@andresmarrero8666 I personally think Xenoblade 1-3 and Xenoblade X exist in separate, but connected universes because the lore makes it impossible for them to both be from the same Earth. Universal travel is shown to be possible too.
For your points.
Telethia the Endbringer is on Mira. That can be explained by the many telethia that went through the fog rift in FC. None of them look exactly like TtE but time and space are weird in Mira in general. One of those telethia changed either quickly or gradually into the giant form we see in game. There is literally a rock in the collectapedia that allows you to see the past and present.
As far as I am aware there is no orbital ring remains on Mira. The giant rings of Oblivia does not fit the structure of Rhadamanthus (or Mechonis really). If you are referring to the one art book image with the space tower, that is on the pole of the planet, and we clearly see Rhadamanthus is not near the poles. Also if Mira was Earth were did Earth's Moon go, and where did the 6 others come from?
Now, a point of my own. Why do the Nopon of Mira know about Frontier Village? There are a dozen reasons, but one I just thought of and don't even buy fully myself is this. The Nopon Archsage is the only being known to enter and exit Mira, and also have a connection to the Bionis. Some wandering traderpon may of sought new, foreign lands to trade in, and were thusly transported onto Mira, memories and all. Its so crazy I almost believe it. Almost.
All praise the Xeno-lore radio
After listening to “Small to Pieces” (Xenogears’ ending song) and “Future Awaits” I have come to a very interesting meta interpretation of the post credit scene of Future Redemeed
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Riku is the Ouroboros form of Chu-Chu and Tatsu
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Ok, here we go
I believe that the blue light floating towards Earth in the last scene is neither KOS-MOS nor Elsa nor the White Whale or not even the crucified Chu-Chu falling to earth to save us from our sins: The light is actually…MONOLITH SOFTWARE
The scene is like a meta-wink to the fans to show that Monolith has finally redeemed his future and went beyond the “endless now” of trying to repeat the Perfect Works story over and over again and is ready for something new.
I believe this because both Xenogears and Xenosaga were supposed to end with the “Return to Earth/Lost Jerusalem”, but we never got to see this because both projects fell short and were cut before their expected end, so the idea of MONOLITH finally reacing Earth, finally going were Episode VI of the Perfect Works was supposed to go, it’s a very poetic and fitting end to this 20+ years experiment
Name checking the 2 projects that they never completed (Gears and Saga) in the radio-scene might also be a sign of this, it’s their way to say to fans “Do you remember these stories we never completed? Stop obsessing about those, embrace the future, we are going beyond those, that chapter is finally closing”
The last piece of the puzzle for me is “Future Awaits”
Someone, once said “"Music is a mysterious thing. Sometimes it makes people remember things they do not expect. Many thoughts, feelings, memories... things almost forgotten... Regardless of whether the listener desires to remember or not."
“Future Awaits” having the same singer and the same flute as “Small Two Pieces” from Xenogears it’s not a coincidence, it’s just another way to show that the series has gone full circle.
The idea of trying again and again to complete the PW saga, started after the end of Xenogears and the refusal of Xenogears 2 by Square, is now over, in the same place where it started.
The moment when the creadits of Gears ended and Takahashi let go of the future and fell into the “Endless Now” of trying again and again the rehash the Perfect Work story.
Xenoblade brought to full circle what Xenogears and Saga started. Humanity has finally reached Lost Jerusalem. The Eternal Recurrence and The Endless Now are gone, we are finally beyond the cycles. Monolith Software finally reached the end of Episode VI of Perfect Works
As what the future has in store, I have no idea. Future Redeemed core story is focused on the idea that we must not totally discard the past, but use it as a stepping stone towards the future. If I have to guess, the future of Monlith Software lies in the direction of Xenoblade Chronicles X, probably the only Xeno game that feels almost completely detached from the Perfect Works saga.
A new sci-fi adventure. New planets to explore, new stories to tell. A part of me will always have the desire to see the Xenogears and Xenosaga stories retold and maybe completed, but in my heart of hearts, I can’t wait for what the future has in store from Monolith.
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Or they just confirmed a Xenosaga-influenced Xenoblade X reboot and the cycle will go on and on until Tatsu will rise again to consume the souls of everyone of us.
Damn, this is an absolutely incredible and beautiful interpretation.👏 Really got me thinking!
I could be misquoting here, so if I'm wrong don't crucify me and disregard this, lol. But I believe Takahashi said in an interview in the 2010s that he would try completing the Perfect Works story or at least some iteration of it, as long as he's alive. The opportunity with -Blade seems to be there, seeing as how successful it has become.
My curiosity wants to know if he is able to complete Perfect Works through Xenoblade, will he continue to make games and stories, or will he finally call it, and retire? The man is getting up there in age, so I'd imagine it'd be the latter. But obviously, no one but him would know that answer, so my question is more rhetorical than anything. Your comment just really got me thinking about a world where he finally completes the story he's been trying to tell for the past 25 years or so. What next then? Does he stay in the 'endless now' of continually working on games? Or does he entrust his company and work to the next generation of artists and bright, young minds?
All this might be pretty far off in the future, and is all theoretical, but I can't help but to wonder, ya know?
Everyone talks Xenosaga, but I'm over here talking about the fact the ECP and Project Exodus from Xenoblade X were mentioned in that radio broadcast.
Yeah, honestly it's kinda pissing me off that more people are focusing on Xenosaga than the game that actually has Xenoblade in its name
The main reason is because what happened at the beginning of Xenoblade X is very different to what happened in Xenoblade 1,2,3 when Klaus pushed the button. To the point that it doesn't even make sense without severe retcon of X. Meanwhile, it can already easily be seen on how they can tie it to Xenosaga. Furthermore, it is well known that Xenosaga was the story Takahashi desperately wanted to tell fully but didn't get a chance to, so it wouldn't be surprising that Takahashi wanted to connect it to Klaus trilogy so desperately. I would like a sequel to X, but even with the project Exodus namedrop, it still make far more sense to keep X as a spinoff series with its own story. Otherwise there are tons of holes in the story.
@@Jzx1103 I don't need them to actually connect it to the numbrred trilogy, I just need this to be a sign damnit
@@corundumkrabble5035 From base XB3 we know other universes exist thanks to the opening cutscene showing them in the background. The mention of the Earthlife Colonization project would be a case of establishing 1/2/3 are in a parallel universe to X. And its implied all four worlds are connected in some way to the Zohar/conduit and where that leads, even if each game has a different interpretation of what that means.
@XenoWarriorQuite a few things. Firstly, all of Earth's technology, which is vastly different than the soverigns in both design and function. Then the fact that Earth's tech in all fields seems to be equally advanced and not all over the place (namely skells and mimeosomes being far more advanced than everything else X humans had). Humans in X never left Earth before the Ghost/Sammar conflict, while in FR we see humans leave at least a few years before Klaus's experiment. The ships also contain far less people than the Ark ships of X. Earth is not invaded by Aliens in 1/2/3, while it was in X. Earth's surface was mostly fine after the experiment, just hostile to life. In X, the Earth is disintegrated on screen, reduced to rubble. I think some people checked the dates from the radio, and gave some possible years for Klaus's experiment. 2054 was not one of them. Xenoblade X and 1/2/3 are connected in some way, and are implied to on several occasions, but they clearly do not originate from the same Earth. Same for Xenogears and Xenosaga. Both have big and small references, but can not take place in the same universe.
Just putting this out there, Baten Kaitos was my first monolith game, it is the whole reason i picked up any of the Xeno games. Super stoked for the remakes. Give them a chance 👍
Didn't know monolith made baten kaitos was curious about getting for switch when it'll come out . Now I'm really hyped for the remake
@@axineight2608 I found out today that is a digital only release unless you have the European or Asian version. So I had to go to play Asia to pick it up
I played the first game ages ago but never got around to playing the second. I'm super excited for these remasters. I know my roommate is going to ADORE a certain character and I'm going to have to do my best to suppress my evil grin at knowing what happens later in the story...
Oh X is most certainly a part of this. Not only does one of Zanza's creations physically makes an appearance but portions of the orbital ring from Xenoblade 2 is just on the planet. Adding in the Nopon Archsage event and it becomes pretty clear that X is as much part of things as Saga and probably Gears as well.
Yeah, there's already a ton of connective tissue, X even has tons of super strange connections to 1, between the sword of legendariness, frontier village, homs, and Lin's hair pieces. And it's not like Monolith hasn't already changed the canon of Xenoblade 1 a relatively decent amount to fit into their adjusted version of the story.
Both for the Zohar (Xenosaga) and the Conduit (Xenoblade) share some identical info on where's was found. Story-wise for both games, both objects was found in Africa, but for the Zohar specifically was on Lake Turkana, Kenya-Africa (opening event for Xenosaga EP 1). And both objects was leading into the Earth-disappearing event of things. Also, Project Exodus in X is what's been called the Immigrant Fleet in Saga and Pilgrimage Fleet in Gears. Humanity's last ditch effort to escape and survive. Im guessing 2 things. Either is Takahashi reimagining Saga's lore/events into Blade's OR there's some strong story and timelines lore that we didn't know just yet between Blades, Saga and X. If it that was KOSMOS in FR ending, does that mean that similar events between Saga and Blades are occurring at the same time, but in different timeline and universe?
the fact that "DIMITRI YURIEV" came out in the exact same tone as the "IS THAT THE GRIM REAPER" video made my day. fantastic video!
I’m almost embarrassed to admit that upon seeing the ending it took a bit before I comfortably locked in the fact that Bionis & Alrest became one again properly. That alone made me so happy, but knowing that Saga could be getting its (possibly spiritual) comeback is exciting. Takahashi is a goddamn madman, he’s gotta connect everything somehow.
i still dont get why people think the ending shows a merger, the worlds are PHYSICALY moving apart, not closer
@@weberman173 After that there is only planet on screen anymore. Also after you beat the dlc you can see Uraya and Swordmarch next to each other on the same meadow.
@@Suchti0352 yes, After they physicaly seperated from each other.
We see 2 worlds unmerge, and we remain on one of them, visual story telling would have you see them get closer together, not move physicaly further apart.
as well as SEVERAL dialogues from XC3 hinting far mroe towards an unmerge then the alternative.
by gods ever since XC2 people try to shoehorn a merge with the flimsiest of evidence
@@weberman173 as they move apart the planets are glowing and the light forms an ouroboros before a single planet is shown.
@@dyssil249 it dosnt form an oroboros tho, the worlds stop interesecting COMPLETLY before anything else happens
I had no idea about any of this at first, it all completely went over my head. I was even slightly disappointed by the vagueness of the final cutscene and how it seemingly wasn’t related to anything, but now that I realise its significance I am FREAKING OUT. They were not kidding when they said this would set the stage for the future of the series..
I said my piece in the Discord, but I definitely think they'd need to do a full remake/reimagining of Xenosaga if they want to continue it. It was a niche series when it came out and even diehard fans were turned off by the changes to the voice actors, art style, and combat in Episode II. If the future of the series is a continuation of Saga and the Blade Fandom's exposure to it is a remake of the original games, it might alienate some of that fanbase.
It makes me really happy to see the community this hyped and excited about the future of the series. I'm 'old'; Xenosaga came out while I was in high school and I followed the series from the beginning. All the talk and debate happening now reminds me of the community that grew around speculating what would happen in episodes II and III.
I am so excited to know what Takahashi is planning for the future. I haven’t played Xenosaga, not even X sadly, maybe one day if they kind of release them again, but what I lived with Xenoblade what amazing, and I consider to be the best saga I ever experienced. It was so great. Still so many questions, but so great
Xc2 recotconned xc1's past. If x is being connected, they can easily do the same thing here
XB2 didn't really retcon much of 1 at all. All of the Klaus stuff was still in 1, we just got slightly more info on the context behind Klaus and Alvis, but the core plot remained practically unchanged. But X on the other hand outright directly contradicts lore from 2, and fixing it would require so much retconning that it wouldn't even be the same game anymore. The beginning of X alone would basically have to be scrapped completely. Plus it also trying to tie it to Saga, which further complicates things as aliens don't exist in Saga.
honestly that radio really reminds me of final fantasy 7
Considering the original Xenogears was supposed to be FF7 before it was deemed to complex and dark I feel it’s fitting
wait how so?
I don't remember that in the remake
The Conduits/Zohar was discovered in the 2000s the early , and in Xenoblade X it takes place 50 somethin years later, after Klaus activated the Conduit/Zohar. Somehow origin, sort of messed up time, when it re-created earth.
My main point is in Xenoblade X the earth was blown up years later, after Klaus’s experiment failed, because origin put the universe right back the way it was, he was probably arrested, and then 50 something years later earth is attacked by aliens.
I just say:
Xeno x is now semi connected thanks to project exodus, and somehow lost Jerusalem is the same earth that xenoblade bases (likely the reason it became lost is because of THAT).
We would need a remake for correctly connect both series (conduit and zohar).
I have a theory that the saviorites are the real connectors to xenoblade x and other xenoblades. They were transported to another parallel universe with aliens were the saviorites became the said "ancestors" of humanity and they must likely ended of that parallel earth by trying to go back to their original world (no conduit, no way to go through dimensions).
Tldr: proyect exodus in the flashback is not the same exodus in xeno x, but it means that xeno x world has A REASON TO NAME IT EXODUS
Tldr 2: saying that xeno x thing is a coincidence but xenosaga isn't is just plain biased and stupid (sorry but really not sorry)
Agreed
If there’s any retconning for X, MOST of it can be explained since our source of the old world is from Alvis who let’s just say is not the most reliable AND the Architect. So we know 1 and 2 come from the same universe so I’ll just rely on the Architect who I’ll call Klaus from now on. Klaus a scientist in control of the Trinity Processor used it to go to an experimental world. However 2 explains that all the artifacts like Siren and the fleet of them, and things like Aion were all powered by the Trinity Processor.
Now why would you need Aegis level firepower? Insurgents? Maybe, I mean they were supposedly rushing to the space stations. What if they got information leaks that Project Exodus wasn’t some experimental fun project for human galactic colonization, but was actually to avoid extinction from an alien war. Sure this would be called a conspiracy theory, and while it would be true and probably exposed late into the project. There’s NO WAY that the insurgents are getting war machines strong enough to fight things like Sirens unless they were to hijack a Skell. Even then there wouldn’t be many Skells at all.
The reason you need that firepower is to protect Project Exodus while the ships make a last ditch effort to escape.
No Klaus was not informed of aliens, he believed that all the chaos was from people not aliens. Klaus probably even thought of himself as an elite so he’d be on those ships if that theory was true.
And yes Project Exodus was confirmed in 3 with even the Japanese version also making that direct connection to X
I hope this explanation shows the ties between X and the old 1 and 2 world.
Now to quickly explain the explosion of earth in X. It’s really simple, that was Klaus using his experiment. If you suddenly removed matter the size of earth, you’d make a void causing an explosion (probably idk), and even then Klaus just did it last minute and saved his ass before the explosion.
Now regarding the aliens, I haven't played through Xenosaga so idk how much of a conflict matter this is.
..I'm sorry Xfans but this probably isn't the case. XCX had one (1) callout while XS had the Vector callout, Dmitri Yuriev, the blue light (it's totally Kos-Mos, sorry xfans but the Blue Whale crashlanded onto Mira after an attack and there is nothing like that at the end of FR, that and the merged planet is clearly in the Milky way and Mira clearly...is not.), and the Xenosaga/Namco Bandai IPs. If ALL of these are just "references" then there is no reason why it can't also be Xenogears, since that also only had one reference with the Philadelphia-class spaceships.
Can’t wait for the complete timeline video!
I'd seen the speculation of saga connections, but I didn't realize how deep it went. This video has made me go from feeling pretty underwhelmed by FR's ending to literally vibrating. Saga and Gears were games I wanted to play eventually originally, but now they might have jumped up the totem poll to things I wanna play soon. Great video, I'll definitely be sending it to friends
If humans are alone in the universe in xenosaga, do nopon just disappear completely once the worlds reunite?
Nah, I'm guessing they may be a multiversal species that is lowkey the product of that weird everything becomes crabs phenomenon
@@cronical246 well if the Blade series is supposed to come before the Saga series then the part about humans being completely alone in the universe in Saga will have to be retconned for the Nopon to still exist after the worlds reunite. Unless the Nopon somehow all get transported to Mira after the worlds reunite, since the Nopon are supposed to be native to Mira, and given the weirdness about Mira it would make sense humanity in general never discovered the planet in Xenosaga.
We got the confirmation, finally. I want to say that this series is top three for me all time. Takahashi treats his RPGs with a lot of love, and a lot of attention. I'm obsessed with Monolift Soft's work. They haven't squeezed the life out this game and it's great.
Its not a cute coincidence, they literaly name dropped Project Exodus from xenoblade X and described how the exodus will work. Philadelphia type starships as well, from xenogears. You are just being biased towards one way.
@XenoWarrior Couldn't have said it better myself. It's just not fair ppl like to hate Xenoblade x cuz it's popular to hate.
@@jerelwright1495 what??? Since when do people hate on X? X is the game everyone wanted to get ported to the switch since the start. The only Xenoblade that is popular to hate is 2 and that's from people that didn't even finish the prologue
@@Zino_blade Trust me I've seen ppl and TH-camrs say and make videos saying x is garbage, trash, should never be a thing and just be forgotten.
@@jerelwright1495 idk man. I believe you there might be some people who hate on X but I am pretty sure they are in the minority.
There were connections to X as well in the radio segment, it's not a cute coincidence.
hope X gets a definitive edition and hopefully it has Xenoblade's 3 combat cuz its much better and fluid.
Project Exodus, Earthlife colonization project, and Coalition government are all DIRECTLY from Xenoblade X, and not only that they have different names in Japanese vs localization and they both match up with X so saying it is a mere coincidence is an extremely incorrect statement. That would be a lot to ignore. And we don’t know everything. This is coming from someone who would rather see more xenosaga than X just don’t let your biases water down your reasoning
It's not my bias. It's that it is just not possible for X to be in the same universe. We literally watch Earth explode in X. We see it happen. I promise you, Xenosaga works far, far better.
@@XenoBitsI would be interested in hearing your thoughts in where you think xenosaga will be in the timeline, Dmitri Yuriev existing would have to make this a prequel if it’s the same person
@@XenoBits they really just saw a white light, however there is too many point of connecting tissue for X to not be connected at all.
@@XenoBits Its not possible for Dimitri to be alive during this time either. How do you explain that?
There are several explanations. Dimitri is a designer baby, so the base DNA had to come from somewhere. Is it possible this is the original Yuriev. What I think is far more likely is that the U-DO experiment has already happened, and he's gotten his special powers from it already. Since the Saviorites are actually the Salvators and its just a mistranslation, and Dimitri is stated to be the first Salvator, it's pretty clear to me.
I never played Xenosaga but i did know of it and when that cut scene happened and that radio was a playing i figured that is what it was connecting to. Looking forward to your lore video coming up cheers.
Feel like its more connected to X than Xenosaga with how it relates to how the White Whale launched in July and how the Earth Coalation government is mentioned. I'm at least hoping this implies more X content lol I'd rather that moved forward than going back to a different franchise
Klaus Saga did not have two Alien factions at war being the destruction of earth though like in X. It was the Conduit/Zohar (like in Xenosaga). So there are much bigger holes connecting it to X versus connecting it to Saga.
@JZXSlots The Klaus flashback changed between 1 and 2 to give more information on what actually happened, to me it seems they're either unreliable recollections or it's purposefully showing us small parts of what actually happened depending on how much is relevant to the respective story being told
@JZXSlots And I'm not denying the Xenosaga connections either, they're clearly there and I imagine there'll be more tie ins in the future. Just given they've outright said they want to continue the X story, it seems like these connections are intentional and writing them off as just easter eggs is a bit silly imo given you could say the exact same thing for the saga references
This ending is so fucking insane. So many things to breakdown, and now I have to finish gears and start saga, I have so much to do thank you takahashi 🙏🙏🙏🙏
I have never played the previous Xeno series and truthfully forgot they existed, so the radio was just background noise to me while I was listening to Matthew and Na'el's conversation. Had no clue it was connecting Xenoblade to Xenogears until this video popped up on my feed just now.
That's pretty cool! Dunno if I want to play all the Xenogear games though.
Project Exodus was called the Global Species Pan-Immigration Plan in the Japanese version of Xenoblade X. The radio broadcast (Lore FM) in Future Redeemed uses this exact name instead of Project Exodus in the Japanese language version. So not a coincidence.
It’s referencing X. Project Exodus, The Earthlife Colonisation Project, a new class of colonisation ship able to somehow transports millions of people launching in July, the Coalition Government… it’s X. It’s not a cute little nod or a coincidence, it’s outright talking about X.
References yes, but the aliens throw a wrench into the entire thing, as you would think when Klaus was retelling the story of his experiment he would mention the fact they were literally in the middle of being attacked by aliens during it. But instead his entire problem was he hated humanity for constanlty fighting with one another. IMO they are reusing the terms rather than this being a direct reference to those events. The coalition government was already a thing in XB2, so thats not new. The context behind project exodus this time is a much less urgent universal colonization project compared to the last ditch effort plan to save humanity in X.
Can they bring elements of X into it, sure maybe, but the entire premise of X would have to be practicality rewritten so it wouldn't even be the same plot anymore.
@@unnamed_protagonist You’re falling into the same trap as Xenobits here: thinking all references to Saga are obviously intentional and canon and tying the two series together while all references to X are just a coincidence and a fun little nod.
A decision was made to have that radio broadcasting information about Klaus’s world before the fall. That information was very deliberately selected by the writers to directly mention elements from both Saga and X. No ambiguity, no lending more weight to one or the other.
So either we take the information at face value and accept that these references to known events, places, projects, organisations, companies and timelines are in some way related to the past and future of the series, or ALL of it is just a knowing nod to Monolithsoft’s history with no real relevance to Xenoblade’s past or future. Given the way Monolithsoft does things I know which of those I’d bet on. They clearly have a plan.
Alternatively: the Saga reference is just fanservice because Project Exodus/Earthlife Colonisation Project doesn’t exist without Elma, and Elma’s existence contradicts Saga. If you can exclude X’s mention because it contradicts Saga’s lore, you can do the opposite too.
@Mister Gideon i'm not falling into any trap. I don't believe that they are even gonna go the route of "these old games are now canon." i think they are just going to pull in elements from those games into the new plot going forward.
Also, project exodus can definitely exist without Elma. Yes, in X, she was the one who not only told humans of their impending doom but also a way to escape in the form of tech. But in mailine blade lore humanity was waaaaay more advanced due to the Conduit, as Artifices completly blow skells out of the water. It's not a stretch to say that humans would come up with a universal colonization project on their own given their scientific advancement. Which is my theory to what they are getting at in the radio. But thats besides the point.
If they do just take saga and x lore wholesale and say "these are now canon", x literally can't occur in the current lore without rewriting basically the entire inciting incident, at which point theres literally no reason to try to fit it into the lore because it's not even the same game. That or they show us Klaus' experiment again but say "oh by the way they were under attack by aliens while all this was going on" which is also a pretty dumb change considering it's waaay to important if a detail to not have mentioned before. Saga would need changes too, don't get me wrong, but nowhere near as drastic as rewriting the entire inciting plot. Again, i don't think they are going this route at all. But if they do, x is just so blatantly contradictory to the lore that is more trouble than it's worth.
@@unnamed_protagonist You’re exactly right! Project Exodus and the Earthlife Colonisation Project absolutely could exist in some different form without Elma in Klaus’s world. And if that’s the case then Dmitri Yuriev could be another guy with the same name and Vector Industries could be strictly a radio manufacturer.
Is it likely that Monolithsoft included names, organisations and scenarios from Saga and X and had them revealed in the same lore dump… but only the ones from Saga are relevant?
@Mister Gideon correct. I do think the names and references are slightly more important than just throwaway references, though, even for X. As i said i think project Exodus is just being recontextualized as a normal universal colonization type deal. Similarly, the references to Saga are also recontextualizing those plot elements. The saviorites having the same name in japanese as the Salvators and having yuriev name dropped is a big deal imo. Not in the fact that they're just loosly connecting to Saga, but that is taking stuff from Saga and using it in a new way.
I'd put money on the idea that the abyss in Xenosaga was Klaus' experiment, based on the visuals we see at the end. It could very well be those two black holes, and we do not have specific evidence that Klaus did that experiment on Earth, or that the conduit wasn't another kind of Zohar emulator. I think we need to start discussing prison island more because it absolutely interacts with origin, and in XC1 the end version inside the bionis head is nearly identical to the rift we see in FR. Prison island is an enigma, but weirdly matthew's clothing has patterns matching the monsters inside for some reason. We have a misunderstanding of the timeline, it does not appear that the Architects planet was just earth hanging out there, and the timing of creating origin and the merging makes very little sense, I think in XC3 we see the X game already merged in. The post credits of X talk about something about the planet letting them keep their lives and memories without the backup, sounds a lot like origin. I am not even an X fan but i just think we have taken assumptions and FR shows us a very different reality of two planets being split and the earth may not just be floating around, and moebius kept that cycle for a period of time in the outer universe. I just am not sure we see FR telling us that the XC series fits in as a slab to a part of another continuity but perhaps a different kind of integration. The world of XC will be a part of something bigger but i dont see them just going okay all these new chars just pop up in another continuity, we may see something different and we absolutely do not get confirmations, we get teases.
So far I'm feeling pretty adamant that Saga and X are still both not canon. I feel there's just too much in the way, in the timeline and in real life, for me to buy that either story could be somehow implemented. This is gonna be like the connections between Gears and Saga again, just reusing prior ideas for a new story. I'm sure if there's another Xeno series after Blade, it'll have something resembling a Monado or Klaus in it, but nothing will tie its canon to Blade in any meaningful way. It's just Takahashi doing his thing.
Well they said they aren't done with Xenoblade, just the Klaus saga essentially. I agree though, there's too many factors that muddy things up to make Xenoblade X and Xenosaga fit without arguments from both sides. I'm also thinking that they'll incorporate ideas and concepts for both, future redeemed acting as a base for that. They retell and refit the games so that can match up with Xenoblade without issue and thus continuing their legacy in a proper fashion
Yeah, I'm now going to try and get my hands on xenosaga. Thank you
I'm so happy Xenoblade isn't just its own separated saga anymore. We have so many lores in video games that aren't ambitious and complex to that degree so it's very satisfying to see few trying to make a giant Odyssey between series. It's so much better to have everything combined and an extensive lore no matter you're too lazy to learn more about Xenosaga or not. That really elevates the series in many ways and makes it so much cooler and deeper. I'm so pleased by this. Xenogears is still its own thing I believe even though I'm aware there is few connections between it and Xenosaga so it makes it more like a parallel universe or a distant past of Xenosaga I believe. That would also indirectly makes it canon to Xenoblade when you think about it, which is pretty cool.
All they would have to do in X is say that the attack occurred on a different side of the planet. Its also pretty easy to say that the earth simply appeared to blow up. It already looked that way in XC1 and we know have a slight retcon in XC3 that suggests Alrest/Earth was also thrown out of the main universe.
Alternatively, an easy way to explain away the inconsistencies between Blade Saga and X is to simply say that Blade timeline takes place in a different Eternal youknowwhat to Saga's where events play out similarly but the events change slightly each time.
I really want this Xenosaga HD collection to be a thing. I have wanted to play them for so long now, but its almost impossible to play them without outside assistance. I did play Xenogears prior to Xenoblade 3, but got a bit busy before I could play Xenosaga. Now I NEED to play them and I'd really like to be able to do it on my Switch.
The explosion that knocked out earth happened in orbit, klaus' experiment also happened in orbit. i still feel like there was enough mentioned to link it to X
I only stepped into the Xeno world three years ago, so I'm still trying to wrap my head around how the games fit together.
Yeah I didn’t realize the connection with the radio, and the name drop. Was wondering what they were for but the ending scene seemed interesting. Might pick up xenosaga lol
What I find very interessting is that in 2, they were just very straight up in how the game was written and presented that "these blades have definite ties to characters in Xenosaga, but they are not the same characters".(Just that the localization messed with it by removing the "Re:"-destinction, lol)
Here, they just namedrop a Dimitri in the context of salvators with no clarifying contradictions or anything and with the only source of doubt being that we are not entirely sure that these IPs take place in the same universe. If they do, then that looks very conclusive.
errr, both saga and X have conflicting lore to fit here, not just X, so dismissing X here but considering saga is silly. Klaus experiment for instance, does not make Earth dissapear, it remais there, is the the place that becomes Alrest, in 2, and there are even more problems. Dimitri is not part of the organization mentioned in the radio, and in fact, such organization does not even exist in saga. So no, like X, saga does not fit nicelly here, and both would need some changes/retcons, and if both need changes, and both are clearly cited here, then both are possible.
The Savorites are called the Salvators in Japan, which is the name of the organization that Yuriev is a part of. The final cutscene with the planet reforming also shows us that both the world of Bionis and Alrest were teleported somewhere else, but came back to their original spot in space. Xenoblade X, even before the existence of Xenoblade 3 and Future Redeemed, conflicted with established Xenoblade lore. Xenosaga on the other hand, has always fit fairly neatly into Xenoblade canon, with a few small issues. I'm sorry but X literally just makes no sense here.
Thank you
@@XenoBits And yet the reference is there. Smugly calling it a "cute coincidence" when its literally called Project Exodus, lists the same number of ships (9-12), the same capacity (10 Million), and gives the same month that the ships launched in X (July) is just pure denial.
@@XenoBits And the organization I was talking about is not the Saviorates/Salvators (I know of the translation thing), I was talking about the Minon Authority, as mentioned in the radio.
I didn't recognize the Vector logo because it has been years but when I heard the radio broadcast namedrop Dmitri Yuriev of all people I was in shock. The noise that came out of my mouth was a mix of a surprised gasp and "HUH?".
I've wanted to play the old Xeno games since I stumbled upon talk of it after finishing XC2. I would definitely be excited about a remake of those games to make them fit into the Xenoblade series, and I think there is much more of a market for remakes than there was at the time of the originals.
I've never played saga and only know the details every xeno youtuber talks about, but I found it very interesting how the radio not only connects the games in a nice way, but also tells basically the exact opposite of what Na'el is talking about. A world of endless peace and beauty, while we should just ignore all the conflicts and problems the radio talks about. Obviously very much like Moebius and Z, but I think that through Na'el in this game it recontextualizes Moebius in the main game. It seems much more like a critique of ignorance and how you should be more honest to yourself especially to the stuff you don't like.
came here because I had no idea what the radio bit was about. Thought maybe they were teasing new lore for the next game or maybe it was in reference from something in 1 or 2 that I didn't remember. Hope they do the HD trilogy thing, that would be a good incentive to go back and experience those games.
I’ve only played like 5 hours of Xenosaga episode 1 a few years ago so I was reading the radio thing not comprehending anything lol. Through being around xeno stuff I did know about what was going on at the end tho so that was pretty cool
If you're gonna do a whole Xeno timeline are you gonna use specific times and years and stuff because FR surprisingly gives a lot of info on how long Aionios existed and what happened when?
For example, we know FR takes place 70 years after Ghondor was born and there were at least 3 Noah's before then so its safe to assume at FR it's been around 100 Aionios years and since Homecomings exist in FR it means 3 takes place around 1100 Aionios years.
You can also figure out when Alpha appeared. Z when sending N to attack Na'el/Alpha at the lake mentioned it's been over a decade since Alpha took over Origin which matches when the Moebius battle that took Mathew and Na'el's parents (15 years ago) so Alpha probably attacked right after or during said battle which would explain why Shulk and Rex were in Origin at the time since the Liberators would definitely take advantage of the City's battle to fight Moebius themselves.
I think it's incredibly funny that we have what is essentially a "Battle of the Five Armies" situation that happened 15 years before FR and it's barely touched on
Was just thinking about the radio reporting, perfect timing
I actually believe that there wont be a Xenosaga remake series. I think the Blade Series will continue at the end of Saga and follow the philosophy of Xenoblade, where no prior experience with the series is required, but the lore and info is heavily involved with the back half of the story.
Takahashi realizes that having a series which is predicated on consistent throughput is simply inneffective. He will tell his story, but it will also be re-designed to fit the Blade model a lot more.
Knowing Monolith, I absolutely believe they’ll find a way to give us ports of Xenosaga at the very least. But seeing how they updated Xenoblade DE, I think they’ll give us some updated character models, music, and lots of quality of life features, bc I’ve heard the games are a bit jank at times lol
Finally a video explaining the references. Never played Xeno saga and don’t have the time to learn about them. Thank you so much
# great content, as usual
#2 a full time line video would be amazing
only way x could work is with a full on Retcon. now that the clause experiment does was recone too since first it was that it splits the universes but in the DLC it looks more like the earth was transported somewhere else while the rest of the universe stay the same.
Only way saga could work is with a full retcon, No grimoire Verum in Blade, Conduit/Zohar researched by different groups and found in different places. Yuriev can't possibly be alive during the time Klaus and the salvadour reble thing. Saga has no Nopon like blade. The list goes on and on. X barely has to retcon anythinga t the end they say the earth might not have been destroyed that day and talk about returning to it one day.
Now im sad that i missed those awesome details by not having played xenosaga, will definitely play them if they come to recent platforms
How do you come to that conclusion? With the exact same lines at the beginning? Project Exodus? The ship left in July. It literally says July in FR. Mentions the Coalition government. Etc etc. They are connected dude lmao.
Play Xenosaga
@@XenoBits played the 3 games. And Xenogears.
And i was talking about X
@@XenoBits If you played Saga you would realize how awful your arguments are lol. You never played a saga game in your life like all these "saga fans" that popped up out of nowhere recently.
When I got to the cutscene, I was so intent on listening to the radio and I was like “woah x reference” when they said exodus, but the rest was just gibberish that went over my head for a little while until ever was making a huge deal about the radio.
I played through gears and the saga trilogy in like 5 months right before xb3 came out but now I wanna play saga again because of this ending
Minor spoilers but didn’t they say in Xenoblade X it’s possibly the earth wasn’t actually destroyed but somehow displaced? Not to mention all the stuff Elma says in Xenoblade 2 and the way X ends immediately lying there’s more to planet Mira and the almost decade old fan theory that Mira is shulks world (now earth reformed) in the far flung future
i was listening to what na'el was saying and decided to go back and pay attention to funny radio man later i had no idea it was so huge
Remember as well that Xenosaga ep 1 and 3 never came out in Europe, so there's no legal way to actually play those games for some of us. So there better be a remake trilogy
I was one of the people who didn't get the what the final scene, I was mostly freaking out that I got my bit of sequel content in that final scene LOL!
But now I'm interested in playing Xenosaga, probably after TOTK tho
I'm confident we're getting more Xeno games!
I thought the radio was connecting the games to XCX and Elma was going to be connected to Alvis, but watching this I can see where you're coming from. I've never played Xenosaga, I really hope they do give us ports or remasters.
I’m just excited that Xenosaga and Xenoblade are possible connected because then we can finally play Xenosaga on easier consoles to access. I was pretty confident that they would never connect Xenosaga to the main Xenoblade story (since it was never finished and is on a much older console) but I guess I was wrong-
There were references to gears too iirc. I think sqex lightened up on their stranglehold of their IP. I think the time line is Saga->Blade 1 (which might be a retelling of gears)/Blade 2->Blade 3-> X? Maybe?
I didn't get there yet in my playthrout but just knowing there is a radio with some lore make me want to play more (if it wasn't for my exam I would have finish fr).
Also I don't know how it's related to X but with just the fact X is mention... CAN WE STOP THE THEY FORGOT X MEME !
Really hoping this and Baten Kaitos HD means we're getting a Xenosaga HD collection. Then they remake X, wrap up it's current story arc with them escaping Mira and looking for Earth. Hopefully they give us a Xenogears remake, assuming Square Enix cooperates; YOU STAY OUT OF THIS SONY. Then Xenoblade 4 brings it all together, with each of their respective protags being playable. A party of Fei, KOS-MOS, Shulk, Elma, Rex, Noah and Mio, exploring a post-Origin world that still retains features of Bionis/Mechonis, Alrest, and pre-Klaus Earth.
YOOOOOO i didnt even realise, this is amazing
I've played Xenosaga 1 up until that one weird flashback area. I just cannot stomach going through that combat system again though. So I dropped it. It is really cool that it is being tied into Xenoblade now but it makes me feel like I have to do homework to enjoy whatever happens next. Sucky feeling.
The 1st thing, the Philadelphia class colony ships which Eldridge belongs to is a Xenogears reference. I can say this, welcome home KOS-MOS or should I say Mary.
I've been sitting on copies of Xenosaga I & II for a long time and they've now skyrocketed to the top of my backlog, like I'm playing the shit out of them right after Tears of the Kingdom this summer. I have felt like such a doofus for years now ever since I played Xenoblade 2 and pulled the KOS MOS core crystal super early in the game and not even knowing who she was 😅
With Xenogears also linked into the universe through the radio scene, here's something to think about.... Matthew.... who is a literal copy of Fei from Xenogears in both design and combat style. Takahashi has now opened up the possibility that this is more than just a homage of Fei or a thematic link. What if.... the Wave Existence found a way to connect with origin and send the data regarding Abel who made contact with it through the Zohar/Conduit.
Xenogears is not being linked, I promise you.
How are the Xenosaga games connected Though if the endings show similar visuals?
So I didn't immediately pick up on the Xenosaga connections because I've never played the games (though I did have a feeling *something* was being connected) and it was quite the whiplash unmuting everything on social media to see people freaking out about Saga while I'm still freaking out about all the Blade revelations
xenosaga remake goooooo, updated visuals and controls
The story of the Xenosaga series is by far my favorite VG game story of all time. I still even have the original copies of each. NOT having a Switch, I'm also unable to play the Xenoblade trilogy. While I've always wanted to, connections to the Xenosaga series make me want to even more. Knowing if a re-relese of Xenosaga comes, it will likely be a Nintendo Exclusive, I can either be very disappointed ... or buy a switch. It hasn't had many exclusives I'm interested in, but now with this trilogy, Master Detective Archive, Fire Emblom 3 Houses and a potential Xenosaga re-release, I may have to rethink getting one.
Takahashi standing before 3 HD remake copies of Xenosaga 1/2/3. "Let's begin the experiment."
*Hits button to release games into the wild of 2024*
3:07 His face impression looks like Dio from the Jo Jo franchise or series.
i was trying so hard to not completely zone out on what na’el was saying because the radio was so goddamn captivating. between this and the fact matthew never returned to the city, well… something is happening, and we’re getting small little glimpses of it.
Thinking it over and how it connects to Xenosaga. Part of me is actually thinking the next game isn't gonna be Xenoblade 4 or Xenosaga 4. But instead Xenoblade X Xenosaga. Essentially a crossover game.
I have a different view on this, i don't think it's like connecting this 2 worlds, because to be honest at one point while playing through one of the Xenoblade games before 3 came out, i went to look back at the perfect works timeline, and at one point i realize that a lot of the elements of the different chapters and even the back story of Fei, fitted with different elements of episode 4 and 5 fitted with XC2 and XC1, more XC2 then 1 until you have in mind that XC2 recontextualizes a lot of XC1 a from a certain point onwards. Which made me realize that XC3 would be the equivalent of episode 6, which im not far off after the DLC came out, seeing as the most of the not Zohar we see, it''s that the "Person" that disappear with it came back from the "upper domain" having lost his humanity, and almost destroy the last effort that humanity put together to save the earth, and after he was stopped, humanity battle against it's own desire for stagnation, to finally save the earth. Which unless im remembering wrong, it wasn't part of Xenogear.
So yeah, while i think the reference to Xenosaga are to make it clear that a kind of episodes 1 through 3 happen on Xenoblade universe, i think the idea of the thing falling down to earth, it's something new coming... But i could be wrong and him just taking the events of XC1 through 3 as what happen from the earth's perspective and Xenosaga and Xenoblade being canon to each other... But to be honest, while i like both... I just don't want everything to be connected. And i want Takahashi to move from the old plans of Perfect works and just go and do something completely new, with no connection or recontextualize stuff later on to make a connection to the bases of Perfect works.
I didn’t play xenosaga but I could tell the radio was talking about something important
And the Earth Xenoblade X is not the same earth(2.0)since there are literally billions of earth like planets that are similar to which slight differences.
And the original earth did disappeared for 4000 years, so so the ship that was mentioned moved to another earth like planet and called it earth.
Because the radio broadcast because of clear pattern that all the games are connected, and they put it in a neat little timeline.
We getting Xenoblade Chronicles S
Hey everyone! I apologize for my rather surface level descriptions of the Saga connections. I'll go into a bit more detail in this comment, just be warned of spoilers.
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I want to first point out that the word "Saviorites" is actually translated from the same exact Japanese word used to describe the "Salvators" from Xenosaga. Dmitri Yuriev is also called "the first Salvator" in Xenosaga. I've seen many people here also say that Yuriev cannot be alive at this point since Saga would take place several thousand years past the Klaus experiment. Contrary to how pretty much every other character in Saga is handled, we NEVER get an actual age for Yuriev. Due to his exposure to U-DO, we know that he has perpetuated his existence for hundreds of years at the very least, and since we never get any concrete dates on when Designer Children like Yuriev were created AND when the U-DO experiments happened, his name drop is not a contradiction. If anything, it proves my point since there's such strict adherence to established Saga lore.
Admittedly, the Grimoire Verum lore is hard to reconcile. It's really the only thing at odds with Xenoblade's lore. However, that plot point was only included in Missing Year short flash animation, and I think it would be fairly easy to change or give more clarification on it and any other minor inconsistency that Xenosaga may have with the potential remakes. As it stands, Xenosaga has a far better chance of connecting directly to the Trilogy. X would have to retcon huge swaths of lore in order for it to take place within the same universe. And considering that we know that Xenoblade X and Xenoblade 2 were being written at the same exact time, it makes 0 sense why Takahashi would write something that he knows for a fact he would have to de-canonize.
If you have not played Xenosaga and don't know what happens in it, I would implore that you do research before commenting here and saying I don't know what I'm talking about. At least play the games before claiming to understand lore better than I do.
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Okay but what about the Zohar ? In XB it stays in the space station for thousands of years while it is present in Saga. There's also KOS-MOS and T-elos in XB2 that hardly make sense.
@Zenobros The Zohar can easily be explained because of the fact that there are already established Emulators, and this could just be one of them. If you don't like that theory, then the Conduit could just be a part of the original and be gateway to where it is. They literally call it the gate.
@XenoWarrior X would have to say "oops sorry the Earth did not actually explode" among many other things lol
@@xenowarrior5692 I don't think they meant that literally tbh
@XenoWarrior I'm not saying that X is unrelated, but as it stands right now, with the information that we have, Xenoblade X is not and can not be canon in the way that many are speculating. Is it possible that down the line, the series makes a direct through line? Yes it is. I'm of the opinion that X takes place much further in the future than where we are now in a parallel universe. But Xenoblade X's earth is 10000% a different planet than Klaus'. That is just a fact.
Project Exodus mentioned the way it does just literally confirms X as canon, idk why it’s so hard to imagine them working it in. I would love for X and Saga to be on the Switch as somebody who’s a relatively new fan of the xeno series and wants to catch up. I think it’s very silly to boldly declare and dismiss x as canon with this scene
Just finished Xenogears with one of my roomates right after Future Redeemed. Time to play the Xenosaga Trilogy to get ready for Xeno4
Scrolling through these comments, I'm seeing so many different ideas, thoughts, and theories, all related to saying the same message, yet all completely different. I think that was the intent with the ending of Future Redeemed. You can talk about connecting all of the games and series as much as you want. And as much as I would love to, I don't think that's really the point of all this. I think the point is that no matter how one may theorize or interpret this story, this final message will always be the same.
Anyone is free to interpret the ending however they see fit, and can only theorize so much. But there are things about it that will always be certain. We have come full circle. This chapter of our lives is over. You can look back and reflect on these stories much as you want, but you can't just stay in this moment forever. You have to let it go, leave it to rest as it is now, and move on. You might not know what's in store for you in the future, but whatever it is, you should be hopeful. The future awaits you.
So look up, face forward, toward your chosen horizon,
and just...
walk on.
I knew pretty quick that the radio was just canonizing some older Xeno things, but I wasn’t sure exactly bc I I haven’t played them and I don’t want to spoil myself. But seeing that specific shade of blue light at the end, I was like IS THAT FUCKING KOS-MOS
OK origin for some reason just started popping out universes, because I think after three, it started making universes and for the reasons Xenoblade X takes place thousands of years later, after origin for some reason, re-created the original earth, and thousands of years later it gets blown up again.
I know one thing about the Xeno verse, earth cannot catch a break. It keeps getting blown up, dissected into different dimensions, traveling back-and-forth the time, and also creating other universes.