HI all, tell us your A7R stories, Leica stories, Canon and Nikon stories. For those of us who have been around a while, what camera systems have you used?
That would be a very long story from 45 years of photography, I will try to do it as short as possible, 1979 Minolta SLR, 1980-1982 Nikon SLR, 2x FE, 1x FM and 2x F3. 1983-1998 Hasselblad 500 C/M and 2000 FC, 1999-2006 2x Canon New F-1, I also had a lot of other Cameras and I tried Leica M4-P which I did not like. When I was professional photographer I used Sinar 4x5" and 5x7" Cameras. 2007-2018 Canon EOS 400D and 7D. 2019-2024+ Sony A7RIII, Sony A7RIV, Sony A7RIVA and Sony A7RV, the Sony Cameras are the most joyfull Cameras I have used, compact and not too heavy, lots of high end Lenses, I have Sony GM Lenses, Voigtländer Lenses and Zeiss Lenses, it is a great pleasure to use Sony Cameras with these Lenses. I only use prime Lenses, I have 14mm, 21mm, 24mm, 2x 35mm, 50mm 1.0, 55mm, 65mm Macro, 2x 85mm, 110mm Macro, 135mm and 500mm. I still have many of my analogue cameras, but in the spring I sold one third of those. In the 1980´s and 1990´s I arranged guided tours to the Hasselblad factory in Gothenburg in Sweden.
@@MattIrwinPhotography Began shooting film on Canon many years ago while in the Air Force, shot Canon all through college and most of my early photography career. All the time I was shooting film on Canon I was lusting for Nikon so when I bought my first DSLR it was a Nikon D90. But when I saw the A7R mirror less I was hooked, especially since I could adapt all my old film lenses. Now I shoot my fine art and landscapes with an A7Riii. I invest my money in glass not cameras. I love shooting with manual lenses so I still have many of my old Canon FD lenses. I have also invested in a number of G Master lenses, as well as Samyang.
I started shooting in 1972. First camera was the Pentax Spotmatic F I bought at Clark AB, Philippines. I shot the heck out of it, got many great pictures of family, the locals and the environment. I eventually bought a Canon FTB, had it for a short while and eventually bought my dream, the Nikon F2 while station in Japan. When you get down to it, all these cameras produced excellent images. It was more the features that separated the two. Forward to 2019, I bought a Sony a6000, claiming it was my mini Leica. Totally cool camera I used to get many great pictures of family and whatever. Being a hobbyist who loved macro photography, I bought the A7R3 with the 42mp sensor. And that was a WOW camera for me. I bought a few other bodies and eventually the A7CR. I love the rangefinder camera bodies and the small size. It took a while to understand the reason for this camera and when I came to grips with it, I absolutely love it. I could get rid of all my other camera bodies and use this all the time. What the gent on the left said is absolutely correct. The image quality is outstanding. What also makes this so good is that it has the same focusing system as the A7R5, which is superb, and I can easily move to crop mode and basically have an a6700. The difference being the sensor. I shoot as a hobby now, but I did shoot for a number of base newspapers along the editing, writing, etc. All my experience at that time was with film cameras. And it that experience that tuned my skills to that of a professional photojournalist. My old Nikon F2 was a wonder at the time. The lenses were great, good selection and, of course, a little expensive. But due to the cost of film and processing, I'm done. I'm totally digital with my Sony camera system. I'm not going to pit one brand against another, I owned many. The one thing about Sony is that it really is more a platform for vintage and other than Sony e-mount lenses. That makes it even more valuable as a system. But more than anything, I love the feel of the camera in my hand. The A7CR is my go-to camera, the one I take out for. It's easy to conceal, it attracts no attention, and it just works. One thing about this discussion, I did experience a lockup one, but a Sigma was attached at the time, and it may have been a glitch between the tow. It never happened again. We have to be real and realize these cameras are little computers, not mechanical monsters with no electronics.
Hey Matt, as always I much enjoyed your interview. I began doing photography as a high school student newspaper editor and photographer with a Pentax Spotmatic F. Before leaving the island for university I purchased a new Nikon F for under $200! That began my journey through all versions of the Nikon F/F2/F3/F4/F6. By the time I eventually switched to digital I sold a total of 11 F versions. It being the film days I also used my Hassleblad 500CM/ELM, Pentax 6x7, Sinar P4x5, Minox, Minolta Zoom 110 and a few others I no longer remember. But I do remember the fun and excitement of the entire experience from composing, to exposure, processing and developing the film, creating the prints up to 30x40 inches (remember even at the height of the film craze, enthusiasts were limited to about 30x40 inch home prints. But those were the days. Thanks for letting me take a memory trip.😊
A motor oil guy I recently discovered always says use case determines chemistry. Woodworking, photography etc.: All the same; use case determines your tools. People ask me what camera to buy and try to get them to visit the local camera store to have a play with the different brands to see what fits them. Thank goodness we have so many good choices to choose from! Forums are like a monastery; they may serve a purpose but who would want to live there?! Good stuff; thanks for sharing!
Bravo! Amen! It’s about time someone said these things. Unfortunately, it won’t do much to influence the folks who obsess over specs, or who criticize gear they’ve never even held in their hands.
Thanks to Bruce for sharing his real life experience. It reminds me of a prof photographer with a you tube titled "the F stops here". He tells a story of using Leica cameras and going through the same braking issues Bruce had. I don't know how he left it after sending the bodies in many times to Leica. He was UPSET with Leica. I'm a hobby shooter that does a bit of paid work with my company in sports photography. I am interested in learning how one goes about to obtain a large print for the wall. How do I plan the shot, where would I send the file for printing etc. Presently I use Miller's for the last 3 years and am satisfied with the service and delivery service, you can't beat overnight delivery and it never fails. This past week I made a small 10 spread photo album on their website, paid online and the finished book was delivered the next morning at my doorstep. I would appreciate learning about shooting photos for large prints in mind and where to send it. Thanks Matt
What do you use now, by the way, I'm a freelance logo designer, would you love ovhav a logo or do you know anyone love to have one? I'm looking for more works! :-)
Thank you so much for these latest “Sanity check” videos. The majority of videos on TH-cam are actually just promo videos. THANK YOU. (By the way, I made a 5 ft wide print from a Canon S10 point & shoot. It looked spectacular and sold for $1,500 USD).
So refreshing to hear someone talking openly about some of the issues with Leica. I have a few including an M11 and it's very disappointing. Something about it just wasn't designed/engineered right. That would be annoying at any price but at Leica prices is pretty outrageous. Sadly die-hard Leica fans just accept all the failures as a quirk of ownership. If only Leica could move away from luxury brand into proper photography tools and reclaim their legacy. Also good to know about the A7CR as it's a choice for replacing the M11 given size and everything, but again so many people trash the EVF. I need to find one to demo now. Do I prefer the design and look of a Leica - probably yes, the Sony looks plastic. But let's see what wins out!
Thank you both. The best discussion Ihave heard in years bar none. Camera systems? First serious camera 1974 Nikon ftn Photomic (still have it) Studio: Canon New F1, Blad ELM 500, RB 67, Art Panorama, Linhof Karden Master "L" System. Olympus/Panasonic M43 for a short while. The most interesting system I used was built for NASA MOTS (Minitrack Optical Tracking System). It shot Kodak F 103 10" x 8" Glass plates. At about 2000kg I found it to be a poor travel camera. Nikon has been my all time system. Base ISO YES. that's what tripods are for. Many thanks again Matt for hosting this wise meeting. Barry M Canberra.
8 years of shooting nikon I've never had a single fault between 2 cameras, i always brag about this to my canon friends😅. I can confirm that they really are well built pieces of kit.
Hello Both, Its.me again, Just to say I think you are both so right about all these "Pro's" photographers on TH-cam/social media reviewing Photographic equipment who only see the bit of kit for xxmins and they can tell you. Keep well stay safe and enjoy life its to short.
With respect ,, With the lack of camera stores,, at least we have an opportunity to see the newest equipment... Take their opinions,, n later make Your own opinions.... Yes My Friend,,,,, I agree Life Is To Short (sadly) :) :) :)
Yes, you must bring back Bruce, Matt. He’s like a Yoda of photography and calls a spade a bloody spade. May be a video with Bruce out in the field and one on how Bruce prints photos. And the dreamy lighting in this video is beautiful.
Love the Yoda reference, that is so good :-). Bruce is definitely coming back, we have so much to talk about. Yeah I love the lighting too. This video was shot on the Z9, Z63, ZF with the 50 mm 1.2, 50 mm 1.8, 35 mm 1.8. I was thinking, how are we going to shoot this, and we were chatting, over the Framing press, and I’m like that’s great light. And of course I love the blow out backgrounds, which is just outdoor sunlight those lenses do so well in these situations.
This is a great conversation and hoping for more. Same here, started with Canon, Olympus, Nikon, Fuji, Leica then Sony. Kept all the Gcash and a few Leica and Nikon bodies.
I think one will learn , (or forced) to be more creative with less features shooting the same camera & lenses, or lens until all its potential has been fully exhausted. Does the new Nikon Z series eye focus nail the pupil in good light & low light 90% of the time? Curious! I shoot Nikon D810 yet. The camera has hit the ground twice from about 4' (once my fault, once my foot got snagged behind me while climbing over something) & we both hit hard with my 200-500 on it. Hairline crack, one of the pop-up flash hinges is off the flash part & the pop-up spring missing, glued the viewfinder back on, caught out in terrential downpours & everything still works. 8-1/2 years now. And the Canon AE1-P with 50mm 1.8 & Canon 70210 f4 still have purchased new backin 1983. = first camera. Didn't even know what apeture did. Rea the first two pages of the manual, shot in P mode unless I couldn't get the meter on the 0! Didn't know anyone else shooting back then & can't remember what gave me the bug to go out & get one. Probably something in a magazine or a Nat Geo tv show !
Three months ago I traded in all my gear and now just have an a7CR with the 24 and 50 G’s together with a Sigma 90 DG DN. I get more keepers from this body than any other camera I’ve ever owned.
The shorter appreciation: a welcome breath of fresh air. I’ve become so annoyed by contributors to forums who obviously a) don’t actually have or use the equipment they’re (mostly) moaning about, b) clearly have no technical knowledge whatsoever despite claims to expertise (and sadly that goes for the majority of TH-cam and online reviewers who are also apparently incapable of finding anyone who does) or c), the worst, offer ‘solutions’ copied and pasted from elsewhere that are just wrong, mistaken, and sometimes potentially disastrous I just don’t bother with them any more.
With the latest cameras it doesn't matter which of the big three camera manufacturers we use because they are pretty much the same when it comes to autofocus and everything else there isn't much difference unless Global Shutter is really important, which it isn't at all for the vast majority of photographers ....
I agree with Bruce... the only thing missing in my Z9 is precapture raw. If it had that, even at slower FPS, it would be near perfect. I think the thing which could make me upgrade cameras in the future is better AI auto focus or lighter bodies, but cameras are so good now, it's just crazy.
Thanks Matt n Bruce !!!!!! Because there are different brands,,, They (the brands) are pushing to be, equal, or better, or different,,, Now that Nikon is where it is,, I am Quite Happy :) :) :)
Great chat, not sure I would ever use pre capture for a wedding ( i've shot 1400 weddings) I do think 45-50Mp is a great range and love the cropping power of my A1. When using primes, shooting weddings and events I often go into apsc mode. Yes I could crop later but time is money. I think third party companies are going to cause Sony a headache producing such great lenses at half the price. I may not agree with Canon closing it's mount but maybe they could see what was coming.
12:40 Nice to see some common sense discussions. I learned what I needed from 'the forums' (misc tech skills) and then I ignore everything else the forum members say, because it's as you mentioned. Most don't seem to really be talking about the art of photography. They're obsessed with the specs and pushing under or overexposed images by large amounts. I normally wouldn't go more than 1 to 1.5 stops of exposure/shadow adjustment while editing. It just depends, but as a general rule most of my edits are less then 1/2 exposure adjustment.
GiDay again Matt, Just to clear up a question: Does the Sony A7 CR have Pre capture? Iv'e asked online and can't get my question answered. I suspect that it indeed doesn't otherwise it would have been mentioned as a strong feature? Thanks again Matt.
The external EVF is not only to look forward to. It can be pointed up and then it’s like a Hasselblad. And I use the M240 with the old EVF. And it’s nice to look through the glass at night and get confirmation with the evf. I can see the result without having to pull the camera up. And if there is a problem with your camera (Leica) > call the headquarter. Much easier to get a positive answer over there. Leica is working on the problem I am sure….
Absolutely the same poor experience with Leica reliability here. Many issues with cameras and modern lenses... insufferable. And the turnaround through the Wetzlar service center has been also in months, for me - and I live just couple hundred kilometers away from Wetzlar :-). Now when my Sony A7III viewfinder display developed a row of faulty pixels, it has been fixed by Sony authorized repair center in 2 days... (it has been first issue in almost 10 years using Sony). Nikon never failed on me, Fuji neither. And I owned really a lot of gear over the years, and used many of my lenses or bodies for up to a decade. I also never saw any image quality advantage of Leica. I mean comparing Leica glass on a Leica camera. Yes, some lenses were great, but in my experience many Sony GM lenses are better (20G, 24, 35, 50 GMs, all better than Summiluxes, or even 40/2.5G significantly better than Summarit 35/2.4). Lesser field curvature, smoother bokeh, higher contrast, better edge sharpness wide open. Can't help myself not see that. Leica is a myth. Their cameras are lovely to look at, lovely to hold, I like rangefinder for manual focusing (over SLRs), the lenses are small, but overall I'm able to take much better pictures with recent Sonys or even Fuji X100V/VI.
Interesting conversation. Is there a reason why Sony has a thicker sensor stack then Leica? It seems that many people would like Sony to have a thinner sensor stack to adapt many prime lens instead paying money for the sensor conversion.
I like the Nikon 28-400mm range, any alternative? Is pair it with Zf not ideal as everyday camera if I plan to swap it for a yellow leather, it will not looks as good/unique if I make the Z6III yellow right? Is the Z6III DR a problem as some said it's like APSC level?
I had Canon from the beginning, started with 40d and went to 1Ds, was to big and went to 600d. It sucked. Friend came wit a NEX 7 and i was blown away, Sony for live. After that A7II for only half a year. It sucked. Then A7RII which i kept for almost 5 years, great camera. After that A7RIV which was good but had to much brown color cast for me, it just wasn`t neutral. The high pixel count also made it look uneasy with skintones. Now i went smaller and lighter with the A7CII, what a camera wow. Does everything right, even skintones which are perfect to my eyes. A huge improvement. Meanwhile i collected, zeiss primes and zooms, 24 and 35 GM primes, Macro and tele.
I passed on the Sony A7cii because of the price and the tiny viewfinder. I got the Nikon Zf, instead, and don't regret it, but I still like the concept of the A7c. Number one on my wish list for Nikon is pre-capture in RAW. Then we can talk about being on par with Sony.
I overcame the EVF on my A7CR. I also had the underwhelming feeling for the camera but then, something happened, and I realized just what an incredible camera it is. I was in love with my Sony A7R3, and still am. But when I head out, I take the CR. It's small, easy to pack away, doesn't attract attention, but man, it is an incredibly fast camera. Equipped with a compact lens like the Sony 40mm or compatible 3rd party compact lens, this is the camera that beats the heck of out of those expensive cameras with fixed 35mm lenses. It has most of the features of the a7R5, and the most important part being its superior focusing technology. I can rapidly grab the CR, point it at a subject, compose and fired off a shot within one second. The image is crisp, sharp, perfectly exposed. This is close to being a perfect camera. As for the EVF, it's OK, but not always used. Like so many photographers today, they don't use the EVF. Sorry you don't see the magic in the CR. Only now when people really get into the camera, they see something very special. My SLR looking A7R3 is jealous. And I am coming from owning, and still owning two famous Nikon cameras, the F2A and FE2.
As an old Nikon user, trying to find a replacement for Leica M, I really wanted to love the Zf, it only it were a bit smaller and 60MP. It just feels too chunky for what it is for my needs. I also have a x100v so I use that for travel for now. Bit IO keep looking at the zf, maybe in the future.
Very interesting conversation. Bruce has a lot of knowledge. But as a Nikonist I was a little disappointed. Bruce may love Sony, but he has nothing to say to Nikon. The lens design is very good. I'm just a hobbyist. In mirrorless I only have Fuji XT-2 and I use Leica, Nikon and Zuiko lenses (small and high quality, worth the price). I sincerely hope that our friend from Canada has seen it and is recovering well.
Why does it have to be better. Sony is different from Leica as Canon is different from Sony, etc. Depends what you want or need. I use my Leica M240 more than even my new Sony A7CR. I just take better photos with it and love using it. Of course for the whiz bang stuff the Sony is what I use.
Dear me. I’ve long felt Leica (or more precisely its fans) rely on its reputation for engineering from its 35mm rangefinder days. The problem is that there’s not much ‘engineering’ in a modern digital camera. There’s a lens mount; a body shell, a metal bracket or two inside, a knob or two, and (usually) a hell of a lot of small screws and that’s about the extent of it. The bulk is electronics, and if you open up any modern camera you will find hardly anything on or around the circuit boards that has ‘Made by Sony, or Leica, or Nikon, or Canon or Fujifilm’ on it. Though Sony being extensively involved over a long period in electronics for sound, vision and, not least, semiconductors, their proportion of ‘home made’ bits and pieces may be a bit higher than the others. I’ve always admired the rangefinders, though I’ve never been able (or wanted?) to afford one; and certainly even the current crop of Leicas generally has a ‘look and feel’ that one rather admires. But that’s a reason for buying an ornament, not a piece of technical equipment. Me, well I started my real photography with an East German basic 35mm camera (a Pentona, made by Zeiss in Dresden which had a superb Meyer f3.5 lens-very-rapidly from a Kodak Brownie and a Retinette between the age of 10 and 12. Later on I had a Nikon FTN (stolen at Milan airport along with all but one of my lenses) which was replaced by a lucky find in my local market of a box containing a Minolta X700, XGM, several lenses and a flashgun. . .at a fraction of the cost of replacing the Nikon kit. I had a Canon AE1 at one point, but after that needed two-expensive-repairs in one year I abandoned it. Still have, and use the X700. All that’s ever needed was a replacement of a capacitor under the base plate, which cost a few pence itself plus a few mm of solder. So, on to Minolta’s little Dynax 5-a very proficient, very light little camera-and, having accumulated a decent selection of AF lenses, the 5D DSLR, and, obviously, with Sony taking over Konica Minolta, the Sony A100, A77, A77ii and-having finally found one recently at a lot less than the usual outrageous going rate-Sony’s last DSLR: an A99ii. (I’m too old-and now retired-to want to spend thousands replacing a perfectly good collection of Minolta lenses, though I have added a few Sonys to the camera cupboard. a Sony mirrorless A6000 and a handful of E mount lenses for the days when I just want to carry something small and light around. So, ending up as a kind of dedicated Sony user was all just circumstances and happenstance. But I would still rather like to have a Leica M6 rangefinder. . .But not a digital Leica. After all, my Sony’s do more, so why spend all that more money? Over all those years only one Sony, the A77ii, failed, and that was bought knowingly with a fault. Which, once the Sony engineers looked at it, turned out to need rather more refurbishment than looked superficially likely. But then, I did end up with an A77 with almost completely new innards at no more cost than buying another, even little-used one, so I wasn’t complaining. (It took four weeks btw: including a week to get the engineer’s assessment and agree (and think about) the estimate, and another week for some parts to be sent from Germany.)
Leicas were tragically unreliable even in film M-body times. That's why the Japanese have won. The Japanese optics was also better... there's that famous article about many professional photographers swapping to - first - Japanese optics on their Leica cameras, and then swapping even to Japanese Leica clones... in the 50s. Even SLR optics of 70s was better than M-mount optics in 70s... I've compared quite a few Nikkors with same-age Summiluxes, and the Nikkors are better, less optical issues, notably better contrast. Leica was excellent in 30s, 40s and 50s maybe still, then started slowly losing to others in the 60s and by 70s it has been "out of the game", for a good reason. And the reason wasn`t really just missing out on SLR bodies... it has been German over-engineering, quality issues, worse lenses. I don't get it how people don't want to see this and are blinded by the appearance and brand history of being used by key players in documentary photography between 1920s-1960s (that was the golden age of this style). But Leica was used by these people because it was first, then among the best for a while, and then for the remaining time because of certain momentum - people were not swapping systems in the past like now... everything was slower... Also, originally, Leica cameras were not significantly more expensive than others, and we take out the factor of import duties, they have been sometimes even cheaper. Leica as a luxury brand is a relatively new thing.
I heard about Sony... Were they not doing the Discman way back? Or Playstation these days? Or something? On the other hand Nikon, Leica - they are indeed photo cameras, as far as I know. Ok, I will include Fujifilm and Canon, as I am in a good mood.
Stupid question. That's why no one cared about your message. Search more and you'll be shocked how HUGE Sony is compared to a camera company who don't even have a Film Studios, Entertainment and Music Industry, Banks, Sensors, Car, etc...NOT just what you made fun of above. Yeah, am a Sony Fanboy. So, what? Feels good with their technology they introduce to the messed.
Skin tone! Forget fps and resolution upgrades we need camera that can shoot skin as good as VPS and ektachrome 64. Or a least as good as arriflex digital.
You're going to watch this video in 20 years time and realise how embryonic today's camera tech is. I'd say there's massive scope for improvement particularly in sensor performance (and I'm talking about DR rather than speed).
I am waiting for a 7CR without video capabilities, I have no use for. It should simplify the menus, the electronic, add reliability and lower the price. As you mention Leica, Sony and all should get inspiration from the simplicity of Leica's menus. Mixing gender is always a failure. A Porsche Cayen is neither a sport car nor a 4x4. Future of photography is in danger for many reasons. First what I mention above, beside a niche of professional, Joe use his phone for video and seldom take picture. The phone manufacturers seems way further in digital treament, you print a good A4 size with a 500$ phone. As a photographer, non pro, I want a pocket photo camera only better than a phone , where is it ? That is why I am still with a Lumix LX100 and was very hopeful for the S9 fulframe ....missed .
Useful and pragmatic discussion Matt & Bruce without any fluff or distractions. Must have been a tough lighting scenario in your video shoot - ended up with a lot of glare - but the content spot on!
with respect :::: Too bad We feel, We need to be Critical (wonder how many videos You have made),,,, How about We just Say THANKYOU !!!!! Silly Boy :( :( :(
@ivo_17 what the hell are you on about? nikon and sony lens are nothing similar at all. Nikon lens are more robust, bigger and heavier. this is because Nikon optical formula is completely different than Sony one. For example nikon 50mm f1.2 is significantly bigger and heavier than Sony counterpart. this happens because Nikon corrects focus breathing and chroma optically, while Sony does this completely digital on camera. Sony does the manufacturing of Nikon sensors but the sensors are still designed and tweaked to Nikon standards. You could tell me Nikon and Canon have similarities but Nikon and Sony? Sony bodies also have absolutely nothing to do with Nikon bodies. Nikon does photography robust cameras built to last, Sony does video cameras that also happen to take pictures. notice how most of the comments you make on many videos are full of nonsense? like when you said samsung makes 200mpx sensors while talking about Red sensors? go ahead and explain what does a 200mpx sensor for a smartphone has to do with a full fledged full frame sensor on a camera?
It seems like we are going back to film days where the camera doesn't matter and its all about the lens. Old Leicas were really reliable - I would think getting in bed with Panasonic would make them even better..🦘
Old Leicas were not reliable. That's a myth. M2s, M3s, all needed regular servicing at times when their Japanese alternatives were running reliably for decades, with no CLA needed. Same with lenses... de-cementing issues, coating issues, drying grease... much worse with Leica glass than same-age Nikkors, for example. And in 80s Leica has big issues with electronics, then even issues with paint on the cameras chipping, then in 90s and 00s big QC issues with literally everything...
HI all, tell us your A7R stories, Leica stories, Canon and Nikon stories.
For those of us who have been around a while, what camera systems have you used?
That would be a very long story from 45 years of photography, I will try to do it as short as possible, 1979 Minolta SLR, 1980-1982 Nikon SLR, 2x FE, 1x FM and 2x F3. 1983-1998 Hasselblad 500 C/M and 2000 FC, 1999-2006 2x Canon New F-1, I also had a lot of other Cameras and I tried Leica M4-P which I did not like. When I was professional photographer I used Sinar 4x5" and 5x7" Cameras. 2007-2018 Canon EOS 400D and 7D. 2019-2024+ Sony A7RIII, Sony A7RIV, Sony A7RIVA and Sony A7RV, the Sony Cameras are the most joyfull Cameras I have used, compact and not too heavy, lots of high end Lenses, I have Sony GM Lenses, Voigtländer Lenses and Zeiss Lenses, it is a great pleasure to use Sony Cameras with these Lenses. I only use prime Lenses, I have 14mm, 21mm, 24mm, 2x 35mm, 50mm 1.0, 55mm, 65mm Macro, 2x 85mm, 110mm Macro, 135mm and 500mm. I still have many of my analogue cameras, but in the spring I sold one third of those. In the 1980´s and 1990´s I arranged guided tours to the Hasselblad factory in Gothenburg in Sweden.
@@MattIrwinPhotography Began shooting film on Canon many years ago while in the Air Force, shot Canon all through college and most of my early photography career. All the time I was shooting film on Canon I was lusting for Nikon so when I bought my first DSLR it was a Nikon D90. But when I saw the A7R mirror less I was hooked, especially since I could adapt all my old film lenses. Now I shoot my fine art and landscapes with an A7Riii. I invest my money in glass not cameras. I love shooting with manual lenses so I still have many of my old Canon FD lenses. I have also invested in a number of G Master lenses, as well as Samyang.
I started shooting in 1972. First camera was the Pentax Spotmatic F I bought at Clark AB, Philippines. I shot the heck out of it, got many great pictures of family, the locals and the environment. I eventually bought a Canon FTB, had it for a short while and eventually bought my dream, the Nikon F2 while station in Japan. When you get down to it, all these cameras produced excellent images. It was more the features that separated the two. Forward to 2019, I bought a Sony a6000, claiming it was my mini Leica. Totally cool camera I used to get many great pictures of family and whatever. Being a hobbyist who loved macro photography, I bought the A7R3 with the 42mp sensor. And that was a WOW camera for me. I bought a few other bodies and eventually the A7CR. I love the rangefinder camera bodies and the small size. It took a while to understand the reason for this camera and when I came to grips with it, I absolutely love it. I could get rid of all my other camera bodies and use this all the time. What the gent on the left said is absolutely correct. The image quality is outstanding. What also makes this so good is that it has the same focusing system as the A7R5, which is superb, and I can easily move to crop mode and basically have an a6700. The difference being the sensor. I shoot as a hobby now, but I did shoot for a number of base newspapers along the editing, writing, etc. All my experience at that time was with film cameras. And it that experience that tuned my skills to that of a professional photojournalist. My old Nikon F2 was a wonder at the time. The lenses were great, good selection and, of course, a little expensive. But due to the cost of film and processing, I'm done. I'm totally digital with my Sony camera system. I'm not going to pit one brand against another, I owned many. The one thing about Sony is that it really is more a platform for vintage and other than Sony e-mount lenses. That makes it even more valuable as a system.
But more than anything, I love the feel of the camera in my hand. The A7CR is my go-to camera, the one I take out for. It's easy to conceal, it attracts no attention, and it just works.
One thing about this discussion, I did experience a lockup one, but a Sigma was attached at the time, and it may have been a glitch between the tow. It never happened again. We have to be real and realize these cameras are little computers, not mechanical monsters with no electronics.
@bondgabebond4907 Cool story. USAF? I also began shooting around that time, probably 1973. Also shot with ftb.
Hey Matt, as always I much enjoyed your interview. I began doing photography as a high school student newspaper editor and photographer with a Pentax Spotmatic F. Before leaving the island for university I purchased a new Nikon F for under $200! That began my journey through all versions of the Nikon F/F2/F3/F4/F6. By the time I eventually switched to digital I sold a total of 11 F versions. It being the film days I also used my Hassleblad 500CM/ELM, Pentax 6x7, Sinar P4x5, Minox, Minolta Zoom 110 and a few others I no longer remember. But I do remember the fun and excitement of the entire experience from composing, to exposure, processing and developing the film, creating the prints up to 30x40 inches (remember even at the height of the film craze, enthusiasts were limited to about 30x40 inch home prints. But those were the days. Thanks for letting me take a memory trip.😊
This is one of the most intelligent conversations I've heard about cameras and lenses. Thanks.
What a great conversation! Was a pleasure to listen! Thanks
A motor oil guy I recently discovered always says use case determines chemistry. Woodworking, photography etc.: All the same; use case determines your tools. People ask me what camera to buy and try to get them to visit the local camera store to have a play with the different brands to see what fits them. Thank goodness we have so many good choices to choose from!
Forums are like a monastery; they may serve a purpose but who would want to live there?!
Good stuff; thanks for sharing!
Bravo! Amen! It’s about time someone said these things. Unfortunately, it won’t do much to influence the folks who obsess over specs, or who criticize gear they’ve never even held in their hands.
What a great, no-nonsense discussion, devoid of thinly disguised sales tactics. Thanks Matt and Bruce. I thoroughly enjoyed this video and format.
What a wonderful video to wake up to.... cheers from Canada !!! 🍻
Thanks to Bruce for sharing his real life experience. It reminds me of a prof photographer with a you tube titled "the F stops here". He tells a story of using Leica cameras and going through the same braking issues Bruce had. I don't know how he left it after sending the bodies in many times to Leica. He was UPSET with Leica. I'm a hobby shooter that does a bit of paid work with my company in sports photography. I am interested in learning how one goes about to obtain a large print for the wall. How do I plan the shot, where would I send the file for printing etc. Presently I use Miller's for the last 3 years and am satisfied with the service and delivery service, you can't beat overnight delivery and it never fails. This past week I made a small 10 spread photo album on their website, paid online and the finished book was delivered the next morning at my doorstep. I would appreciate learning about shooting photos for large prints in mind and where to send it. Thanks Matt
What do you use now, by the way, I'm a freelance logo designer, would you love ovhav a logo or do you know anyone love to have one? I'm looking for more works! :-)
Thank you so much for these latest “Sanity check” videos. The majority of videos on TH-cam are actually just promo videos. THANK YOU. (By the way, I made a 5 ft wide print from a Canon S10 point & shoot. It looked spectacular and sold for $1,500 USD).
So refreshing to hear someone talking openly about some of the issues with Leica. I have a few including an M11 and it's very disappointing. Something about it just wasn't designed/engineered right. That would be annoying at any price but at Leica prices is pretty outrageous. Sadly die-hard Leica fans just accept all the failures as a quirk of ownership. If only Leica could move away from luxury brand into proper photography tools and reclaim their legacy. Also good to know about the A7CR as it's a choice for replacing the M11 given size and everything, but again so many people trash the EVF. I need to find one to demo now. Do I prefer the design and look of a Leica - probably yes, the Sony looks plastic. But let's see what wins out!
Thank you both. The best discussion Ihave heard in years bar none.
Camera systems? First serious camera 1974 Nikon ftn Photomic (still have it) Studio: Canon New F1, Blad ELM 500, RB 67, Art Panorama, Linhof Karden Master "L" System. Olympus/Panasonic M43 for a short while. The most interesting system I used was built for NASA MOTS (Minitrack Optical Tracking System). It shot Kodak F 103 10" x 8" Glass plates. At about 2000kg I found it to be a poor travel camera. Nikon has been my all time system.
Base ISO YES. that's what tripods are for. Many thanks again Matt for hosting this wise meeting. Barry M Canberra.
8 years of shooting nikon I've never had a single fault between 2 cameras, i always brag about this to my canon friends😅.
I can confirm that they really are well built pieces of kit.
Interesting analysis of the current state of digital photography. Cheers!
This was wonderful to watch! Well done guys!
This is gold. Thanks Matt and Bruce!
Hello Both, Its.me again, Just to say I think you are both so right about all these "Pro's" photographers on TH-cam/social media reviewing Photographic equipment who only see the bit of kit for xxmins and they can tell you. Keep well stay safe and enjoy life its to short.
With respect ,, With the lack of camera stores,, at least we have an opportunity to see the newest equipment... Take their opinions,, n later make Your own opinions.... Yes My Friend,,,,, I agree Life Is To Short (sadly) :) :) :)
Yes, you must bring back Bruce, Matt. He’s like a Yoda of photography and calls a spade a bloody spade. May be a video with Bruce out in the field and one on how Bruce prints photos.
And the dreamy lighting in this video is beautiful.
Love the Yoda reference, that is so good :-). Bruce is definitely coming back, we have so much to talk about. Yeah I love the lighting too. This video was shot on the Z9, Z63, ZF with the 50 mm 1.2, 50 mm 1.8, 35 mm 1.8. I was thinking, how are we going to shoot this, and we were chatting, over the Framing press, and I’m like that’s great light. And of course I love the blow out backgrounds, which is just outdoor sunlight those lenses do so well in these situations.
I could listen to you blokes all day. Thank you.
This is a great conversation and hoping for more.
Same here, started with Canon, Olympus, Nikon, Fuji, Leica then Sony. Kept all the Gcash and a few Leica and Nikon bodies.
Great conversation, shoot what you got. 👍🏽
I think one will learn , (or forced) to be more creative with less features shooting the same camera & lenses, or lens until all its potential has been fully exhausted. Does the new Nikon Z series eye focus nail the pupil in good light & low light 90% of the time? Curious! I shoot Nikon D810 yet. The camera has hit the ground twice from about 4' (once my fault, once my foot got snagged behind me while climbing over something) & we both hit hard with my 200-500 on it. Hairline crack, one of the pop-up flash hinges is off the flash part & the pop-up spring missing, glued the viewfinder back on, caught out in terrential downpours & everything still works. 8-1/2 years now. And the Canon AE1-P with 50mm 1.8 & Canon 70210 f4 still have purchased new backin 1983. = first camera. Didn't even know what apeture did. Rea the first two pages of the manual, shot in P mode unless I couldn't get the meter on the 0! Didn't know anyone else shooting back then & can't remember what gave me the bug to go out & get one. Probably something in a magazine or a Nat Geo tv show !
Three months ago I traded in all my gear and now just have an a7CR with the 24 and 50 G’s together with a Sigma 90 DG DN. I get more keepers from this body than any other camera I’ve ever owned.
The shorter appreciation: a welcome breath of fresh air. I’ve become so annoyed by contributors to forums who obviously a) don’t actually have or use the equipment they’re (mostly) moaning about, b) clearly have no technical knowledge whatsoever despite claims to expertise (and sadly that goes for the majority of TH-cam and online reviewers who are also apparently incapable of finding anyone who does) or c), the worst, offer ‘solutions’ copied and pasted from elsewhere that are just wrong, mistaken, and sometimes potentially disastrous I just don’t bother with them any more.
Top notch, what an awesome video of great content and value‼️well done guys ❤️
Lovely conversation. On the money on so many points. Subscribed! 👍🏽
A real pleasure to listen!!!
Great discussion, thanks guys! 😎📷
Always love that Australian accent. Nice, enjoyable video loved it!
Great discussion! Thanks for this. Cheers!
Enjoyed This Informative Exchange Matt!!
With the latest cameras it doesn't matter which of the big three camera manufacturers we use because they are pretty much the same when it comes to autofocus and everything else there isn't much difference unless Global Shutter is really important, which it isn't at all for the vast majority of photographers ....
I agree with Bruce... the only thing missing in my Z9 is precapture raw. If it had that, even at slower FPS, it would be near perfect. I think the thing which could make me upgrade cameras in the future is better AI auto focus or lighter bodies, but cameras are so good now, it's just crazy.
Fascinating conversation. How do the two of you like the Batis 85mm? What are the compelling features in today’s 85mm market? Thank you.
Thanks Matt n Bruce !!!!!! Because there are different brands,,, They (the brands) are pushing to be, equal, or better, or different,,, Now that Nikon is where it is,, I am Quite Happy :) :) :)
Great chat, not sure I would ever use pre capture for a wedding ( i've shot 1400 weddings) I do think 45-50Mp is a great range and love the cropping power of my A1. When using primes, shooting weddings and events I often go into apsc mode. Yes I could crop later but time is money. I think third party companies are going to cause Sony a headache producing such great lenses at half the price. I may not agree with Canon closing it's mount but maybe they could see what was coming.
Great video. Cheers.
Great conversation. Very insightful.
12:40 Nice to see some common sense discussions. I learned what I needed from 'the forums' (misc tech skills) and then I ignore everything else the forum members say, because it's as you mentioned. Most don't seem to really be talking about the art of photography. They're obsessed with the specs and pushing under or overexposed images by large amounts. I normally wouldn't go more than 1 to 1.5 stops of exposure/shadow adjustment while editing. It just depends, but as a general rule most of my edits are less then 1/2 exposure adjustment.
GiDay again Matt, Just to clear up a question: Does the Sony A7 CR have Pre capture? Iv'e asked online and can't get my question answered.
I suspect that it indeed doesn't otherwise it would have been mentioned as a strong feature? Thanks again Matt.
Yeah I very much doubt it does, I think it is A9III and A1 II for the Sony range. Pre-capture is a big effort at 60 MP in a very small body.
The external EVF is not only to look forward to. It can be pointed up and then it’s like a Hasselblad. And I use the M240 with the old EVF. And it’s nice to look through the glass at night and get confirmation with the evf. I can see the result without having to pull the camera up. And if there is a problem with your camera (Leica) > call the headquarter. Much easier to get a positive answer over there. Leica is working on the problem I am sure….
Great video, that’s what valuable experience , not just spec or brand religion.
Absolutely the same poor experience with Leica reliability here. Many issues with cameras and modern lenses... insufferable. And the turnaround through the Wetzlar service center has been also in months, for me - and I live just couple hundred kilometers away from Wetzlar :-). Now when my Sony A7III viewfinder display developed a row of faulty pixels, it has been fixed by Sony authorized repair center in 2 days... (it has been first issue in almost 10 years using Sony). Nikon never failed on me, Fuji neither. And I owned really a lot of gear over the years, and used many of my lenses or bodies for up to a decade.
I also never saw any image quality advantage of Leica. I mean comparing Leica glass on a Leica camera. Yes, some lenses were great, but in my experience many Sony GM lenses are better (20G, 24, 35, 50 GMs, all better than Summiluxes, or even 40/2.5G significantly better than Summarit 35/2.4). Lesser field curvature, smoother bokeh, higher contrast, better edge sharpness wide open. Can't help myself not see that. Leica is a myth. Their cameras are lovely to look at, lovely to hold, I like rangefinder for manual focusing (over SLRs), the lenses are small, but overall I'm able to take much better pictures with recent Sonys or even Fuji X100V/VI.
Interesting conversation. Is there a reason why Sony has a thicker sensor stack then Leica? It seems that many people would like Sony to have a thinner sensor stack to adapt many prime lens instead paying money for the sensor conversion.
Where can you find Bruce’s work?
Very interesting conversation, thanks. Yes, do it again, maybe with some ideas on printing….
I like the Nikon 28-400mm range, any alternative? Is pair it with Zf not ideal as everyday camera if I plan to swap it for a yellow leather, it will not looks as good/unique if I make the Z6III yellow right? Is the Z6III DR a problem as some said it's like APSC level?
I had Canon from the beginning, started with 40d and went to 1Ds, was to big and went to 600d. It sucked.
Friend came wit a NEX 7 and i was blown away, Sony for live.
After that A7II for only half a year. It sucked.
Then A7RII which i kept for almost 5 years, great camera.
After that A7RIV which was good but had to much brown color cast for me, it just wasn`t neutral. The high pixel count also made it look uneasy with skintones.
Now i went smaller and lighter with the A7CII, what a camera wow. Does everything right, even skintones which are perfect to my eyes. A huge improvement.
Meanwhile i collected, zeiss primes and zooms, 24 and 35 GM primes, Macro and tele.
Interesting conversation! Apparently the Nikon sensor is thinner and better suited to accept Leica lenses (from ReidReview). Any thoughts on that?
I passed on the Sony A7cii because of the price and the tiny viewfinder. I got the Nikon Zf, instead, and don't regret it, but I still like the concept of the A7c. Number one on my wish list for Nikon is pre-capture in RAW. Then we can talk about being on par with Sony.
I overcame the EVF on my A7CR. I also had the underwhelming feeling for the camera but then, something happened, and I realized just what an incredible camera it is. I was in love with my Sony A7R3, and still am. But when I head out, I take the CR. It's small, easy to pack away, doesn't attract attention, but man, it is an incredibly fast camera. Equipped with a compact lens like the Sony 40mm or compatible 3rd party compact lens, this is the camera that beats the heck of out of those expensive cameras with fixed 35mm lenses. It has most of the features of the a7R5, and the most important part being its superior focusing technology. I can rapidly grab the CR, point it at a subject, compose and fired off a shot within one second. The image is crisp, sharp, perfectly exposed. This is close to being a perfect camera.
As for the EVF, it's OK, but not always used. Like so many photographers today, they don't use the EVF.
Sorry you don't see the magic in the CR. Only now when people really get into the camera, they see something very special. My SLR looking A7R3 is jealous.
And I am coming from owning, and still owning two famous Nikon cameras, the F2A and FE2.
As an old Nikon user, trying to find a replacement for Leica M, I really wanted to love the Zf, it only it were a bit smaller and 60MP. It just feels too chunky for what it is for my needs. I also have a x100v so I use that for travel for now. Bit IO keep looking at the zf, maybe in the future.
Very interesting conversation. Bruce has a lot of knowledge. But as a Nikonist I was a little disappointed. Bruce may love Sony, but he has nothing to say to Nikon. The lens design is very good. I'm just a hobbyist. In mirrorless I only have Fuji XT-2 and I use Leica, Nikon and Zuiko lenses (small and high quality, worth the price). I sincerely hope that our friend from Canada has seen it and is recovering well.
Why does it have to be better. Sony is different from Leica as Canon is different from Sony, etc. Depends what you want or need. I use my Leica M240 more than even my new Sony A7CR. I just take better photos with it and love using it. Of course for the whiz bang stuff the Sony is what I use.
Dear me. I’ve long felt Leica (or more precisely its fans) rely on its reputation for engineering from its 35mm rangefinder days. The problem is that there’s not much ‘engineering’ in a modern digital camera. There’s a lens mount; a body shell, a metal bracket or two inside, a knob or two, and (usually) a hell of a lot of small screws and that’s about the extent of it. The bulk is electronics, and if you open up any modern camera you will find hardly anything on or around the circuit boards that has ‘Made by Sony, or Leica, or Nikon, or Canon or Fujifilm’ on it. Though Sony being extensively involved over a long period in electronics for sound, vision and, not least, semiconductors, their proportion of ‘home made’ bits and pieces may be a bit higher than the others.
I’ve always admired the rangefinders, though I’ve never been able (or wanted?) to afford one; and certainly even the current crop of Leicas generally has a ‘look and feel’ that one rather admires. But that’s a reason for buying an ornament, not a piece of technical equipment.
Me, well I started my real photography with an East German basic 35mm camera (a Pentona, made by Zeiss in Dresden which had a superb Meyer f3.5 lens-very-rapidly from a Kodak Brownie and a Retinette between the age of 10 and 12. Later on I had a Nikon FTN (stolen at Milan airport along with all but one of my lenses) which was replaced by a lucky find in my local market of a box containing a Minolta X700, XGM, several lenses and a flashgun. . .at a fraction of the cost of replacing the Nikon kit. I had a Canon AE1 at one point, but after that needed two-expensive-repairs in one year I abandoned it. Still have, and use the X700. All that’s ever needed was a replacement of a capacitor under the base plate, which cost a few pence itself plus a few mm of solder. So, on to Minolta’s little Dynax 5-a very proficient, very light little camera-and, having accumulated a decent selection of AF lenses, the 5D DSLR, and, obviously, with Sony taking over Konica Minolta, the Sony A100, A77, A77ii and-having finally found one recently at a lot less than the usual outrageous going rate-Sony’s last DSLR: an A99ii. (I’m too old-and now retired-to want to spend thousands replacing a perfectly good collection of Minolta lenses, though I have added a few Sonys to the camera cupboard. a Sony mirrorless A6000 and a handful of E mount lenses for the days when I just want to carry something small and light around.
So, ending up as a kind of dedicated Sony user was all just circumstances and happenstance. But I would still rather like to have a Leica M6 rangefinder. . .But not a digital Leica. After all, my Sony’s do more, so why spend all that more money?
Over all those years only one Sony, the A77ii, failed, and that was bought knowingly with a fault. Which, once the Sony engineers looked at it, turned out to need rather more refurbishment than looked superficially likely. But then, I did end up with an A77 with almost completely new innards at no more cost than buying another, even little-used one, so I wasn’t complaining. (It took four weeks btw: including a week to get the engineer’s assessment and agree (and think about) the estimate, and another week for some parts to be sent from Germany.)
Leicas were tragically unreliable even in film M-body times. That's why the Japanese have won. The Japanese optics was also better... there's that famous article about many professional photographers swapping to - first - Japanese optics on their Leica cameras, and then swapping even to Japanese Leica clones... in the 50s. Even SLR optics of 70s was better than M-mount optics in 70s... I've compared quite a few Nikkors with same-age Summiluxes, and the Nikkors are better, less optical issues, notably better contrast. Leica was excellent in 30s, 40s and 50s maybe still, then started slowly losing to others in the 60s and by 70s it has been "out of the game", for a good reason. And the reason wasn`t really just missing out on SLR bodies... it has been German over-engineering, quality issues, worse lenses. I don't get it how people don't want to see this and are blinded by the appearance and brand history of being used by key players in documentary photography between 1920s-1960s (that was the golden age of this style). But Leica was used by these people because it was first, then among the best for a while, and then for the remaining time because of certain momentum - people were not swapping systems in the past like now... everything was slower... Also, originally, Leica cameras were not significantly more expensive than others, and we take out the factor of import duties, they have been sometimes even cheaper. Leica as a luxury brand is a relatively new thing.
Despite that I think that Bruce is a bit too categorical in some of his statements, I liked the interview.
I heard about Sony... Were they not doing the Discman way back? Or Playstation these days? Or something?
On the other hand Nikon, Leica - they are indeed photo cameras, as far as I know. Ok, I will include Fujifilm and Canon, as I am in a good mood.
Stupid question. That's why no one cared about your message. Search more and you'll be shocked how HUGE Sony is compared to a camera company who don't even have a Film Studios, Entertainment and Music Industry, Banks, Sensors, Car, etc...NOT just what you made fun of above.
Yeah, am a Sony Fanboy. So, what? Feels good with their technology they introduce to the messed.
Skin tone! Forget fps and resolution upgrades we need camera that can shoot skin as good as VPS and ektachrome 64. Or a least as good as arriflex digital.
All modern cameras/sensors are capable of good skintones. Its all in the profile that is reading the raw file, or editing.
@ Have you shot much film Tim?
You're going to watch this video in 20 years time and realise how embryonic today's camera tech is. I'd say there's massive scope for improvement particularly in sensor performance (and I'm talking about DR rather than speed).
I am waiting for a 7CR without video capabilities, I have no use for. It should simplify the menus, the electronic, add reliability and lower the price. As you mention Leica, Sony and all should get inspiration from the simplicity of Leica's menus. Mixing gender is always a failure. A Porsche Cayen is neither a sport car nor a 4x4.
Future of photography is in danger for many reasons. First what I mention above, beside a niche of professional, Joe use his phone for video and seldom take picture. The phone manufacturers seems way further in digital treament, you print a good A4 size with a 500$ phone. As a photographer, non pro, I want a pocket photo camera only better than a phone , where is it ? That is why I am still with a Lumix LX100 and was very hopeful for the S9 fulframe ....missed .
AI can now unblur photos, so perfect focus is not necessary?
Why isn't Nikon worrying about size & weight?
Useful and pragmatic discussion Matt & Bruce without any fluff or distractions. Must have been a tough lighting scenario in your video shoot - ended up with a lot of glare - but the content spot on!
with respect :::: Too bad We feel, We need to be Critical (wonder how many videos You have made),,,, How about We just Say THANKYOU !!!!! Silly Boy :( :( :(
Leicaphiles have an omerta about the times the darling gadgets fail them.
Yawn
All Sony cameras and lenses are made by Nikon, so no wonder that Matt likes Sony 😉
what the hell are you saying?
Have you noticed how similar Sony and Nikon cameras and lenses are? There is a reason for that!
@ivo_17 what the hell are you on about? nikon and sony lens are nothing similar at all. Nikon lens are more robust, bigger and heavier. this is because Nikon optical formula is completely different than Sony one. For example nikon 50mm f1.2 is significantly bigger and heavier than Sony counterpart. this happens because Nikon corrects focus breathing and chroma optically, while Sony does this completely digital on camera. Sony does the manufacturing of Nikon sensors but the sensors are still designed and tweaked to Nikon standards. You could tell me Nikon and Canon have similarities but Nikon and Sony? Sony bodies also have absolutely nothing to do with Nikon bodies. Nikon does photography robust cameras built to last, Sony does video cameras that also happen to take pictures. notice how most of the comments you make on many videos are full of nonsense? like when you said samsung makes 200mpx sensors while talking about Red sensors? go ahead and explain what does a 200mpx sensor for a smartphone has to do with a full fledged full frame sensor on a camera?
Well, you got some people to bite 😂
It seems like we are going back to film days where the camera doesn't matter and its all about the lens.
Old Leicas were really reliable - I would think getting in bed with Panasonic would make them even better..🦘
Old Leicas were not reliable. That's a myth. M2s, M3s, all needed regular servicing at times when their Japanese alternatives were running reliably for decades, with no CLA needed. Same with lenses... de-cementing issues, coating issues, drying grease... much worse with Leica glass than same-age Nikkors, for example. And in 80s Leica has big issues with electronics, then even issues with paint on the cameras chipping, then in 90s and 00s big QC issues with literally everything...
@@kotwa I guess you are right - my old Leica is starting to annoy me but my old Nikons of the same age or older still work great ..🦘