@@oblivion_007Yes, so the Z5II with Zf internals would be a logical update. Tricky part is the Z5II needs to remain at a reasonable entry level full frame price
Whatever the Z5ii does or does not offer, I personally would prefer a flip-out screen because I frequently use it tripod-mounted in portrait orientation, and at some odd angles for architecture and a fully articulating screen is far better for that scenario.
I am going to be shaming my devils here. I used to be a mega pixel person. All I cared about was how many mega pixels I could get from my camera. Then I got an a77 from Sony. I realized that 24MP was great with no buffer and I do mean no buffer. I think that camera would have been better with a larger buffer. Sony did as well when they dropped the a77ii. They fixed the buffer issue. So I do hope that Nikon focused on features and CPU performance over sensor pixel count. 😊 Please do comment and give me your inputs. I would like to hear what people have to say about my points.
For me the Z5II need to be the cheapest possible entry to the full frame Z ecosystem, so: - Body: Same body from the Z5, same sensor too, same two card slots, maybe a flip forward screen would be better for most people. Using the same body of Z5 help cutting costs. - Video: Expeed7 with all the benefits of having that powerful processor in video, AF, etc. I know the sensor is somewhat slow, but if you can get 4k 60p without crop and 1080 240fps would be great. No need for raw video, maybe only Nlog. Even if only 8bit no log, but the important point are the resolution and frame rates without crop for an entry level camera. Some line skipping mode to reduce rolling shutter if needed. - Photo: faster photo experience, faster and more accurate AF, more frames per second. Nothing more, like the dynamic range, noise, etc, if the same as Z5 I'll be happy - Price: it's the key. The Z5II need to compete in price with the R8 and A7C
As a serious hobbyist bird photographer I feel there is a hole in the Nikon Z lineup. Right where the D500 was in the DSLR product line. I'm not advocating for a Z body crop frame sensor, but a full frame 33mp sensor. Partially stacked with an Expeed 7 processor and weather sealed. 33 mp would yield more cropable files but not cause an immediate need for computer upgrades and more storage. Seems to me that would tap into a large prosumer market and more likely to be a financial success than a 60 MP or larger sensor that would only appeal to a small market segment.
@@fancyman-i8g No weather sealing, not a stacked sensor, one SD card totally inadequate battery (slight improvement from the original Z50 but lucky to get 200 shots on that), among other things
I feel the price range of something like that wouldn't make much sense for Nikon financially, they have all the incentive to push the Z8 for those who want to crop for wildlife.
I'm one of those interested in a Z7iii, but I'm fine with it staying at 46MP. I currently own both the Z8 and Z9, but as a previous owner of a Z7ii, I would want a similar form factor to the Z7ii, but improvement in: frame rate, EVF resolution and brightness, EVF blackout, rolling shutter, and autofocus similar to the later full frame Nikon cameras. Price target: $3300 U.S.
Z9 has been my baby for some time. Love the camera. The latest version of firmware is epic. Used it a lot with the 400 f2.8 for motorbikes and f1 cars.
^ THIS, yes been wanting this for some time in Nikon’s lineup (some argue that it’s very tricky to accomplish well, when compiled in body). Also there’s a light-painting preview feature in some Olympus bodies, amazing
FOCUS STACKING is GOOD, only IF... the algorythms which stack the images ARE GOOD. That's why you see halos and weird things in focus stacking in OM System cameras, the algorythms are average.
We've reached a point where supercar-level specs and technology are becoming the norm, with cameras offering far more than most people need or can fully utilize. The majority of debate now seems to largely center on having the car take over responsibilities that traditionally belonged to the driver. Still, knowledge and skill remain the most important "specs" of all.
I'm hoping for the Nikon DL 24-85mm :). Seriously, I think there is a market for advanced compacts. Though I'd hope for a bit more range on the zoom. And proper controls, so not the consumer wheel of death on the back, but proper 4-way buttons doubling up as a D-pad, and a separate control dial located near the top. In fact I'd be over the moon if they recycle the Coolpix P7800 body. Maybe make it a bit smaller but keep the extensive controls, or at least most of them. If I'd had my way this camera would have: - Body of the Coolpix P7800 (as I said). - Lens of the Canon G5X II, including its awesome close focus abilities. - Sensor of the Sony RX100 V. - Autofocus of any of the big three. Give it a good EVF and make it responsive and a joy to use. I’d probably buy one.
Hi Matt, As you described, at the moment , full-frame resolution has reached a technical plateau. No clear room for a Z7iii in a full- frame sensor. To me, the growth area for innovation and sales is where Hasselblad X2D and Fuji Film GFX have set up their bid for demanding high-resolution customers; medium format. As you pointed out, 80 / 100 MP full frame would seem to have too many compromises.
I prefer a smaller/lighter camera body, so I would be very interested in a well spec’d z7III - I’d prefer a bit more than 45MP (currently own a 61MP a7RIV and am fairly happy with that), though much over 60MP (on a full frame sensor) can be issue with diffraction, as you mentioned. I’d hope that the z7III could be Partially-Stacked sensor similar to z6III - that, if combined with a sensor that was 45-60MP range could be a really nice camera. Not loving the idea of a huge heavy camera since I do a lot of hiking etc (that is the main reason I sold my D750), so the z8 while it has some nice specs, would not be my first choice (size/weight wise).. and the z9, heck no, that thing is mammoth… If I was going to get a larger camera, I’d buy a medium format 100+MP system. - I shoot mostly landscape, if you didn’t guess that already. 🙂
@cdavey7654 I agree with you re the Z8, it's a great camera but not for landscapes, it's too big. I hope they do make the Z7 III with some of the specs you mentioned. I would also like it to include the same hi-res EVF that the Z6 III has, that would help me as I use several manual focus lenses for my landscape work.
Upping the Z7 to the expeed7 but with the same sensor would do me. That would improve speed, retain the dr and high ISO capability without sending the price so high that it would be too close to the Z8 price.
Nikon Z5ii - Photocentric - 33MP - updated AF - Expeed 7 processor - Better sensor and low light performance - Standard video features - here is a big market for entry users. Nikon Z7iii - i don´t see his place on Nikon lineup now, if it exist, 60mpx hi resolution more affordable than z8 , slow, best image files. Nikon Z9ii - just amazing - ground breaking features - top notch - global shutter? - new processor or 2x expeed 7.
"Nikon Z5ii - Photocentric - 33MP - updated AF - Expeed 7 processor - Better sensor and low light performance - Standard video features - here is a big market for entry users." I'd be interested. But not if it would only do 5fps as Matt suggests. Then I'd rather keep my D750.
Nikon should allow third party lenses like sigma, samyang.. to achieve more market space. Also should improve their tracking Af in all models in comparison.
Z7III? Well I found the Z8 too bulky and pushing back towards DSLR / D810 sized - I went mirrorless to LOSE weight given I carry 2 cameras for landscapes everywhere (normal Z7 and a full spectrum Z5). So that's where I would want a Z7III to be - a mini Z8 please!
Couldn’t agree more. Sony A1ii does everything a z8 can at less weight and better form factor for those who get outside. If you shoot landscapes you’re using an l bracket and at the point the z8 is a really beast.
Mmmm You were talking about cameras that just didn't meet predicted market sales? Perhaps some of the unqualifed influencers with their huge following with even less qualified followers play a sizeable part? Just a guess? As you mentioned; .. a Z-7III perhaps sits in an occupied spot? I agree, 45Mp is a very good workable sweet spot. RAW pre-capture would be something that I would hold out for. I think I will wait until the Z9 II specks are released. If a Z7 III fills all my not so large parameters, I will jump that way. I won't speculate. As always, Matt, your thoughts on this subject carries high value.
I started into "pro" Nikon gear in 1975, with a (film) F 2. (I'm not a professional, but appreciate the best gear, when I can afford it.) The entire ride since then has included consistently-tough and useful equipment, interesting tech developments, and more precision, in general. Basically, Nikon has spoiled me. I got my Z9 about 3 months after it's release, and it's not only impressive in general, but seems to have more features and capabilities than I can even use. But... That's cool, because whatever we consider high-tech, high-res, high-speed, etc., today, can look quite different in the future. I'm in! :)
Would love to see Apple "Find My" integration. A lot of e-Bikes have this feature now that let you bind the product to your phone so if it is stolen you can locate it.
@@richardgorski23 exactly. It’s an open source technology that any company could use. I doubt Sony would ever because they are a computer competitor against Apple but Nikon could totally position themselves with this feature over other competitors.
It's possible, but will be expensive to reach a low base iso red to use for 6k 120 sport (ie hi readout speed good low light) your looking at over 20k aud - the name red doesn't mean best.
I don't think the z5 will get much of an update aside from the processor. It may get some new video features and maybe the picture control button on top the z50 II has. The z7 III is conundrum. Let's go back and look at what the z7 was originally. It was the mirrorless version of the d850. The z7 II was an improvement. The z8 is the true replacement for the d850. Other than the price point, do we even need a z7 III? There are no cameras with 24 mp after the z6 III so they put a partially stacked sensor in it. Will they do the same for a z7 III? How close can they let it be to the z8? I think it would still have a mechanical shutter and electronic in silent mode but with rolling shutter. It would have the new processor with tracking modes. I don't see it being more than 45 mp. It will either be a cheaper version of a z8 with less features or it will have to be in a category of is own. I've even heard people speculate that it could be a medium format camera like the GFX50. They say the z lenses would cover a sensor that size. It could be a landscape, portrait and product photography camera. But i don't see that happening either. I got into photography 7 years ago. The d850 was just coming out. Since then the z7, z7 II and the z8 have all come out within that time frame. That's a lot of change in that time.
You mentioned upscaling the Fujifilm 40Mp sensor to a circa 100Mp sensor, which is a valid possibility. An interesting possibility overlooked is upscaling the 26Mp stacked sensor from the X-H2s, to a 60 odd Mp fast read out stacked sensor option. With development over the last few years, a 60 Mp plus stacked, fast read out sensor as quick or quicker than the Z8/9 is a distinct possibility, particularly from Sony. If Nikon use that for anything is another question.
Yep, Matt, despite the long wait for firmware including the "quack" shutter release sound, my Z9 does look, sound and perform like a flagship. And it does shed water! LOL! 😀
Great vid Matt!!... very happy with my Z9, it's an extraordinary camera... wouldn't mind a Nikon rangefinder though!! Happy Christmas to all of you in Oz🎉😊
I've owned a Z5 for about 6 months and I absolutely love it. I'm a hobbyist mind you so my needs don't merit spending a lot more, though I may move up to a Z5ll depending on the cost and if Nikon comes out with a Z7lll and the cost of a Z5ll and a Z7ll are suddenly in parity I may go with the Z7ll.
I'll be the guy that says I have everything I need in bodies between the Zf, Z8 and Z9. Let's get some interesting new lens designs...Another Plena type lens or a Tilt/Shift. We need some super-fast wide angles as well.
IMO, more DX lenses for those shooters would be great (an f/2.8 or f/2.8-4 standard zoom, a constant aperture wide angle zoom). And then for full frame, maybe a 70-200 or -300 f/4? Not to mention there's still that S-line 35mm (likely f/1.2) still remaining on the original lens road map.
I sold my Z9 because I liked the Z8 better because of the smaller size. Sold the Z30, Z50, Z5, Z6II, Z7II and now have the Expeed 7 Processor Cameras minus the Z9 of course. I did pick up the Nikon Df & D500 for my F mount glass also. Cheers!
@@randallbrander8157 And I sold my Z8 to get the Z9, for the larger size. :-) Big hands, big battery, gps and two proper card slots. It made an outstanding camera a perfect camera.
It's better to speculate than never... 🙂 Unfortunately I have an unfortune, being old and poor with the emphasis on *poor*! But I can always live in hope that my wife eventually buys the right Lotto ticket. Of all these, before I bought my little APS-C DSLR my dream camera was the D850 and now there's nothing yet to change my current choice, the Z8. One day... I thoroughly enjoy you channel and it allows me to live vicariously! All the best you and your family over the break and I look forward to more in the new year.
I think the likely specs for a Z9II will be the same stacked sensor, next gen processing (either two E7's or one E8), 30fps LC RAW, pre-capture LC RAW, overall improved AF, CF-B 4.0 support and practically unlimited buffer for all burst modes, perhaps some video improvements but not much, and priced at $6k or less. A Z5II would just get mostly incremental updates in FPS, buffer speed, and video. Not sure there will be a Z7III, as there is just no space in the lineup for a camera like that pricewise. If they did release it, it would have to be 60MP+ to compete with the A7R5.
Several years ago when Nikon first revealed its “Z” mount, there was talk about the camera’s potential to accept a larger (medium) format sensor. Have heard no further info about that as I suppose current Z lenses cannot cover the required image circle?
I like to see Nikon to re engineer the sensor on the D810, that has that 36.3 pixel, make it stacked and load it with all the bells & whistles close to the Z8. Create a new universal flip screen. This I think will appeal more across genres because it gets all areas covered. I do believe Pre Capture Raw will come across all Expeed 7 bodies onces Nikon does all the Beta testing. We must remember, the higher pixel count comes, the higher it eats into your CF Express card. There's no telling what other RED features are there that could be incorporated into existing bodies? For me there are 2 things I dream of seing Nikon do...first is to have " in body focus stacking" and the 2nd is seing the Z lenses having variable ND's on them? I know the latter is wishful thinking but who knows....it could happened?
I would like to see firmware 5.x to bring pixel shift and portrait smoothing to the Z9 mark 1. :) I'll keep my Z9 for now no matter how Nikon evolves the Z9. It would have to be a revolutionary change for me to move on. Of course, my F2 is still my ultimate film body, so you know I'm not a frequent upgrader.
With 1.3m "actuations" on my Z9, I can honestly say it is the best camera body I have ever owned (and I've owned countless including the D4, D5 and D6). It has never let me down and does everything I have asked of it. I would not want a global shutter-only camera given its likely limitations but a hybrid sensor would be badass and would love to see it in the Z9II. I don't often shoot RAW so pre-release in RAW is not a huge deal to me. I do use pre-release quite a bit and being able to do FINE L at 120fps would be outstanding for my use case.
I bought my Z7 to use as a studio type camera. It is perfect for that kind of work! I think the Z7 line needs to continue excelling as a studio camera-so with that said, a Z7III should be 63MP with the same dynamic range as the original Z7 sensor. It doesn’t really need much improvement on video (except maybe unrestricted record time) because that’s what the Z6III is for. I’m ok with the future Z8 and Z9 staying 45MP as long as the sensor continues to improve on dynamic range and speed.
Matt, now that Nikon’s Z lineup is well rounded (with capable bodies) I think a 5-year cycle is more than good enough. A ZIII only makes sense if offers something not already in the lineup, a high pixel count portrait, product, landscape and architecture body where slow frame rates isn’t a problem, makes sense, at least to me. While something that will never worry me a global shutter capable z9II would give it some additional differential against the Z8.
I really hope they can put pre-capture in the Z9, because I'd rather spend my money on some nice long Nikon glass than having to upgrade the body so I can catch those damn fast little birds before they fly out of frame in a split second. One thing I'd LOVE is some system to group burst of images so it's easy to choose which frames to keep each pass of the shutter. It could probably be done by the likes of Adobe etc, Currently culling images can be a drag with 20fps and a good wildlife photography session, where you end up with SO many shots.
I am primarily a Landscape, Portrait, and macro (including food and product) photographer. I am not looking for speed or high-end video capabilities, Size matters a lot to me (especially when hiking). I would love to see a z7iii with the latest chipset, a 60 MP partially stacked sensor, improved autofocus (especially for portrait), and possibly a second USB-C port for power like the Z8. The extra pixel size would be great when I don't want to hike with a heavy telephoto lens ( I can crop instead).
So for me, I love my Z9. I also loved my D800 and D850 when i was shooting with them. What would I want to see come out in the future? This is just my opinion, but it is what I would like to have. I would like to see a Z6iiiA for astrophotography with incredible HD range and very low noise at higher ISO. It would be easier to do lower noise in a 24MP camera than a 45MP. Frame rate does not matter. Just cut the noise. I would also love to have a Z8ii with a native ISO of 32 or lower with incredibly HD range for those of us who want to be able to shoot incredibly detailed images from a tripod of nature, sunrises, sunsets, long exposure where frame also does not matter. Higher MP? Maybe, but the lower native ISO would take precedence. Give me sharp, give me details, give me high dynamic range, give me better manual shutter speed controls for long exposure.
Hi Matt. Nice video! What about different sorts of innovations besides just more of the same (i.e. faster FPS, processing, video etc.). Maybe they start to add computational photography into the mix - imagine how good low light could be if our Nikons had the same computational tech that our Iphones do- they would then blow phones away if they were competing on an even playing field for the software but with such larger and superior sensors and optics. Also, what about anti-theft tech - why not have an option to use a fingerprint or retina scan to 'unlock' the camera so that without the key it is a brick that has no value to anyone - kind of like Iphones today? Obviously, better upload to the cloud is welcome - they are working on this but get it to a point it is seemless and very easy to use, and at the same time, maybe put encryption on the files (or an option to use encryption) where if someone got your CFE card they could not read your files. These sorts of things in addition to the 'speed' upgrades you mention could make for an interesting new generation of cameras. Just a thought :) -PD
What you describe are features that would make me avoid a camera and not upgrade, the main one being anti-theft. Putting anti-theft functionality into a camera would not only be an inconvenience and a liability, It simply wouldn't deter theft. Cars, phones, computers, etc. all have anti-theft technology and it doesn't stop or even slow down those intent on making a quick buck. 11,000 phones (2022) are lost/stolen every day, despite the fact they can be tracked, have password/fingerprint security and can be remotely wiped and locked. I don't want a camera that is going to inconvenience me more than a thief.
@@mozzman Hi Mozzman - I understand your POV - I guess I wasn't clear - seems to me all the things I was imagining can all be turned on or off so they would all be optional and if you didn't want to use them you would not have to. In spite of what you said, I do believe that way less phones are stolen than would be the case if there were no security. Nevertheless, I was not suggesting any of these things in lieu of what Matt was talking about, but rather in addition to and again they can all be on/off options. Happy Holidays. -PD
Been thinking about a practical (low capex, new market) option: make a high resolution zf by replacing the sensor with the z7 / d850 sensor. That would give a path for anyone who likes the retro feel but wants more mp. Maybe ... and I mean maybe, revise the ibis to the locking version in the z6iii, but that would be a bonus. Without that it's probably about the least amount of investment to gain some additional marketshare, and doubles as a way to continue profiting from the high sunk costs of both the older 45 mp sensor and the zf.
I would prefer less MP but wider dyanimc range and nosie control, i dont see any need (for the majority) to pushing above that, continue to tweak the 45mp.
Absolutely! The only thing that kept me away from the Z7II was the unreliable AF. In terms of dynamic range it already outperforms the Z8/Z9. Pixel shift might be a usable solution for even higher resolution landscape images. Cramming more than ~50 MP into a FF sensor is really not beneficial for image quality.
I think it would be smart, to wait a little longer for a new Z9 with major improvements rather than "only" minor improvements. I myself would love to have some minor things like more cropmodes, e.g. 4 by 5 or 3 by 4 (or even customizable crop modes) and I would like the crop modes to be "non destructive" like they are in Fuji cameras. I guess that would be possible via firmware.
Hello Matt, on my side, six month ago, I have already pre-ordered two Z9II. I hope to get them at the end of 2025 or beginning of 2026. I really would prefear to wait and get great differences than just an update. I hope dual expeed 8 processor, higher frames/seconds rate, and all the actual options in the Z9 which gave a jpeg will turn with the z9II in raw files. (Pre-capture, multi-exposure .... ) Thank you for your vidéos Christian from France
Longer...with more tech. Z9 is already so damned good for the vast majority of applications, I'm happy to wait another year for something that *really* steps things forward.
How about a medium format Z7iii with a Z mount to take benefit of current Z mount lens provided sensor size is compatible. This would make the new Z7 the ultimate portrait and landscape studio camera.
What would persuade me to buy a Z5 II? Same basic camera but with better autofocus in low light, maybe an Expeed 7 processor, price close to current version. Don't need a high-MP sensor, high-resolution video etc., just a good basic camera with functional and reliable autofocus in dimmer light than the current version.
Hello Matt, Yes I to love my Z9 and yes it may be good to add pre/post capture in RAW. I have used it in JPG and would of love the images to of been in RAW. and may be a higher dot EVF but I am more then happy with what I have. So why not have a Z9VH using the sensor from Red, making it move of a video/high speed camera the the Z9 a stills camer that can shoot video. As for the Z7iii I had the Z7ii and that need focusing speed and would need a jump to 80mp senior, as you say on a small senior like the ff seniors may be more trouble than its worth.
Had a rep tell about a month ago that a Z5 II was a possibility (actually came up while we were talking about hte Z50 II and how they needed to do a "Z80" instead). But I think we all know that a Z9 II is quite possible next year sometime (probably by the end of the year). Now, a Z5 II doesn't really make a lot of sense the way the guy described it to me (he said an Expeed 7 processor and new sensor perhaps 24MP-30MP but that it would still sit below the Z6 III in terms of features and performance).
I have a bad feeling Nikon may just upgrade the processor to Expeed 7, tweak the body design (likely flippy screen), and that will be it for the Z5II to keep the price point. Basically, similar to Z50II updates. Unfortunately, it means stretching the old D750 sensor another generation. What I really want is a Zf in a new body, but that would likely raise the price point, and not sure Nikon will do that.
I suppose to stay competitive with the other flagships Nikon will have to introduce a Z9 update with faster data processing and internal bandwidth to allow for RAW precapture and hopefully they can add some of the AI subject tracking found in Sony and Canon cameras. But it’s not like the current Z9 looks or feels behind the times. For the money the value is incredible and in the hybrid video space it’s still a powerhouse. Like the a1II, I don’t expect a Z9II to be a big leap forward in any category, rather refinements to an already potent camera.
If Nikon had a better log for video and faster/less cumbersome autofocus I’d definitely get a Z8 instead of Sony a1 II now (+ had some money left for a Z8 II upgrade when that’ll come out)
What I would want Nikon to do is release firmware to give us pre-capture in raw, and all the frame rates in raw. With that update I would be happy to wait for the next big thing. I have talked to other sports shooters and every one of them agree with me in that they would love pre-capture in raw, but they don't have a use for it in jpg. Give me that and the next iteration would have to be huge to get me to upgrade. I love my Z8. It is astounding.
Good video - think Z5 II (entry level FF) be mixed of ZF and Z6 II functionality, Z9 II (like R5 II upg) Expeed 8, tuned up sensor; beefy AF and higher FPS, e.g., 40 FPS, PRe-raw capture, dual video recording. Z7 III would be good mixed of Z7 II - ZF functionality with 60 MP Sensor £/$3500 (Max); 4K, 6K, 8K MP4 + limited Raw video recording
z9 or z8 ii would be in order i dont have really a problem with the video codecs( apart from the h-265) no what i want is a red raw codec n-log 2 and 3 profile with better stops. Generally speaking the dynamic range could be improved, rigth now if i try to do wb balance beyond 10 meter(uw) it doesn't work.... The raw is great but man is it costly on cf express b it would be nice to be able to dump on an ssd a better af would be nice too.
I think the Z5 should be next for the expeed 7 af etc But if Nikon added all the features people are asking for - two cards, top screen, pop up flash, it would be bigger and heavier and more expensive. It all depends on weather Nikon wants to have a low priced entry level to the Z series FX lenses
To differentiate the Z7III from the Z6III and the Z8, a 60 MP sensor not stacked, Expeed 7 with the autofocus system from the Z6III, 4k 30fps oversampled with no crop, 10 bit internal recording, no 6k to keep the price down. It could either have the tilt screen or the articulating screen, it does not matter for this camera. Price is between $3,000 to $3,200 USD. I believe it that would separate itself from the Z6III and the Z8.
The Z8 does everything I imagined a camera should do for my use case. A global sensor is not necessary with existing fast readout speeds. 45 meg is ample. It would be nice for a Z8 to have better connectivity to the web like a cell phone and better Blue Tooth connectivity, or better yet, the ability to text from the camera directly to a cell phone, email, or webpage.
If Nikon is going to bring a Z7iii to market, it should prioritize dynamic range with a higher resolution to differentiate it from the Z8/9, otherwise, what is the point? More than a new Z9 or Z5, I would be happier if Nikon released a firmware update for the Z8/9 to give users the option to make the mode settings "sticky" (return to pre-set values when you re-select a memory bank) and to include drive mode as one of the stored settings.
I want a Z7 III with 800MP so I can put a 24mm f/1.8 prime lens on it and crop. I'll still get 12.5MP at 192mm. Maybe I'll take another prime like the 135/1.8 so I can get 50MP at 540mm. All at f/1.8 light gathering ability of course (sorry Matt, couldn't help myself ;)).
The kind of optical quality the newer SONY lenses possess, I won't be surprised if Sony comes up with a 90 MP A7rVI PORTRAIT powerhouse with 85mm F/1.2 or 135mm F1.8 version II. P.S. If you take into account the optical quality of newer Fujifilm 56mm F/1.2 on a 40MP APSC sensor, you may get an idea that extremely high quality optics can minimize diffraction even on an overly high resolution sensor
@@MattIrwinPhotography I'm merely putting Fujifilm's case as an example of how diffraction can be drastically decreased on a high pixel-density sensor through an extremely high optical-quality lens. Fujifilm's 40 Megapixel's density on APSC sensor is Exactly as high as 90MP on a FULL FRAME Sensor. *So (Pixel-Level) light gathering capability of a (possible upcoming Sony) FULL FRAME 90MP and (Fuji XH-2) APSC 40MP is exactly the same.*
For the Z7III I would love to see a larger size Body like the Z8 because it is too small for my hand. And it would be a killer, if Nikon would squeeze in a 100MPix sensor in a size of the Fuji GFX (Medium Format ish...) That would disrupt the competition in a big time even if it would only be with limited production and just a HALO product.
I think the Z7III should be a hyper-niche camera focused on landscape/product photographers, something like the Hasseblad X2D or GFX series from Fuji. Readout speed wouldn't be a priority, but instead ultra-high resolution and dynamic range (100MP plus maybe), I think the "innovation" should be trying to achieve 15+ stops of DR at high-resolutions
Hoping for 1 more firmware update for the Z9/Z8 with: Improved AF algorithm, Improved Wifi to phone transmission speed (software issue), Red Code Raw 8k60p video
I might be ready to pull the trigger on a Nikon Z7 Mark III if Nikon gives it a global shutter, stack the sensor, somehow include the bigger EN-EL18D batteries, use dual Expeed 7 processors, increase video recording resolution to 8k unlimited, add the full-size HDMI Port, add illuminated buttons, incorporate all the auto focus modes.
I would love the z5ii to basically be like the zf in terms of spec and capability but with the old tilting screen.
Isnt Zf a league above z5?
@@oblivion_007Yes, so the Z5II with Zf internals would be a logical update. Tricky part is the Z5II needs to remain at a reasonable entry level full frame price
@@csc-photo not gonna happen because of the same reason. Its entry level
@@oblivion_007 Ya I’m not sure where the Z5II will land, I feel like Expeed7 and the 24mp BSI sensor is the new baseline spec for full frame.
Whatever the Z5ii does or does not offer, I personally would prefer a flip-out screen because I frequently use it tripod-mounted in portrait orientation, and at some odd angles for architecture and a fully articulating screen is far better for that scenario.
I am going to be shaming my devils here.
I used to be a mega pixel person. All I cared about was how many mega pixels I could get from my camera. Then I got an a77 from Sony. I realized that 24MP was great with no buffer and I do mean no buffer. I think that camera would have been better with a larger buffer. Sony did as well when they dropped the a77ii. They fixed the buffer issue.
So I do hope that Nikon focused on features and CPU performance over sensor pixel count. 😊
Please do comment and give me your inputs. I would like to hear what people have to say about my points.
For me the Z5II need to be the cheapest possible entry to the full frame Z ecosystem, so:
- Body: Same body from the Z5, same sensor too, same two card slots, maybe a flip forward screen would be better for most people. Using the same body of Z5 help cutting costs.
- Video: Expeed7 with all the benefits of having that powerful processor in video, AF, etc. I know the sensor is somewhat slow, but if you can get 4k 60p without crop and 1080 240fps would be great. No need for raw video, maybe only Nlog. Even if only 8bit no log, but the important point are the resolution and frame rates without crop for an entry level camera. Some line skipping mode to reduce rolling shutter if needed.
- Photo: faster photo experience, faster and more accurate AF, more frames per second. Nothing more, like the dynamic range, noise, etc, if the same as Z5 I'll be happy
- Price: it's the key. The Z5II need to compete in price with the R8 and A7C
As a serious hobbyist bird photographer I feel there is a hole in the Nikon Z lineup. Right where the D500 was in the DSLR product line.
I'm not advocating for a Z body crop frame sensor, but a full frame 33mp sensor. Partially stacked with an Expeed 7 processor and weather sealed. 33 mp would yield more cropable files but not cause an immediate need for computer upgrades and more storage. Seems to me that would tap into a large prosumer market and more likely to be a financial success than a 60 MP or larger sensor that would only appeal to a small market segment.
Shot about 400 bird pictures this morning on my D500. Would love to have a mirrorless version of the D500 and the Z50 II is definitely not it.
@joebartlett3958 I'm still shooting the D500 myself.
@@joebartlett3958 Where does the z50 ii fall short?
@@fancyman-i8g No weather sealing, not a stacked sensor, one SD card totally inadequate battery (slight improvement from the original Z50 but lucky to get 200 shots on that), among other things
I feel the price range of something like that wouldn't make much sense for Nikon financially, they have all the incentive to push the Z8 for those who want to crop for wildlife.
I'm one of those interested in a Z7iii, but I'm fine with it staying at 46MP. I currently own both the Z8 and Z9, but as a previous owner of a Z7ii, I would want a similar form factor to the Z7ii, but improvement in: frame rate, EVF resolution and brightness, EVF blackout, rolling shutter, and autofocus similar to the later full frame Nikon cameras. Price target: $3300 U.S.
Z9 has been my baby for some time. Love the camera. The latest version of firmware is epic. Used it a lot with the 400 f2.8 for motorbikes and f1 cars.
What would be interesting is an in-body focus-stacking, like on the Olympus cameras!
^ THIS, yes been wanting this for some time in Nikon’s lineup (some argue that it’s very tricky to accomplish well, when compiled in body). Also there’s a light-painting preview feature in some Olympus bodies, amazing
FOCUS STACKING is GOOD, only IF... the algorythms which stack the images ARE GOOD. That's why you see halos and weird things in focus stacking in OM System cameras, the algorythms are average.
I'd prefer live time and live bulb over in camera stacking;).
We've reached a point where supercar-level specs and technology are becoming the norm, with cameras offering far more than most people need or can fully utilize. The majority of debate now seems to largely center on having the car take over responsibilities that traditionally belonged to the driver. Still, knowledge and skill remain the most important "specs" of all.
I think there will be a refreshed Nikon Z9. And I hope for an IBIS APSC…..
A Z70/Z90 IBIS APSC in Z6 body 24-32MP sensor would be good - rival A6700 and R7
I'm hoping for the Nikon DL 24-85mm :).
Seriously, I think there is a market for advanced compacts. Though I'd hope for a bit more range on the zoom. And proper controls, so not the consumer wheel of death on the back, but proper 4-way buttons doubling up as a D-pad, and a separate control dial located near the top. In fact I'd be over the moon if they recycle the Coolpix P7800 body. Maybe make it a bit smaller but keep the extensive controls, or at least most of them.
If I'd had my way this camera would have:
- Body of the Coolpix P7800 (as I said).
- Lens of the Canon G5X II, including its awesome close focus abilities.
- Sensor of the Sony RX100 V.
- Autofocus of any of the big three.
Give it a good EVF and make it responsive and a joy to use. I’d probably buy one.
Hi Matt, As you described, at the moment , full-frame resolution has reached a technical plateau. No clear room for a Z7iii in a full- frame sensor. To me, the growth area for innovation and sales is where Hasselblad X2D and Fuji Film GFX have set up their bid for demanding high-resolution customers; medium format. As you pointed out, 80 / 100 MP full frame would seem to have too many compromises.
I prefer a smaller/lighter camera body, so I would be very interested in a well spec’d z7III - I’d prefer a bit more than 45MP (currently own a 61MP a7RIV and am fairly happy with that), though much over 60MP (on a full frame sensor) can be issue with diffraction, as you mentioned. I’d hope that the z7III could be Partially-Stacked sensor similar to z6III - that, if combined with a sensor that was 45-60MP range could be a really nice camera.
Not loving the idea of a huge heavy camera since I do a lot of hiking etc (that is the main reason I sold my D750), so the z8 while it has some nice specs, would not be my first choice (size/weight wise).. and the z9, heck no, that thing is mammoth… If I was going to get a larger camera, I’d buy a medium format 100+MP system. - I shoot mostly landscape, if you didn’t guess that already. 🙂
@cdavey7654 I agree with you re the Z8, it's a great camera but not for landscapes, it's too big. I hope they do make the Z7 III with some of the specs you mentioned. I would also like it to include the same hi-res EVF that the Z6 III has, that would help me as I use several manual focus lenses for my landscape work.
Upping the Z7 to the expeed7 but with the same sensor would do me. That would improve speed, retain the dr and high ISO capability without sending the price so high that it would be too close to the Z8 price.
would be pretty interesting to see if z7iii announced as the medium format camera with z9,z8 sensor read speed
Nikon Z5ii - Photocentric - 33MP - updated AF - Expeed 7 processor - Better sensor and low light performance - Standard video features - here is a big market for entry users.
Nikon Z7iii - i don´t see his place on Nikon lineup now, if it exist, 60mpx hi resolution more affordable than z8 , slow, best image files.
Nikon Z9ii - just amazing - ground breaking features - top notch - global shutter? - new processor or 2x expeed 7.
"Nikon Z5ii - Photocentric - 33MP - updated AF - Expeed 7 processor - Better sensor and low light performance - Standard video features - here is a big market for entry users."
I'd be interested. But not if it would only do 5fps as Matt suggests. Then I'd rather keep my D750.
I swear I can't hear this globalshutter shit anymore
@@t.800XR
globalshutter shit
globalshutter shit
And for good measure, some globalshutter shit ;)
@@starbase218 it is completely overrated once you have a stacked sensor and you loose quite a bit of bitrate while shooting with it.
@@t.800XR 😂. yeah, too much hype on it
Another great and interesting feature by Matt. Thank your for that! The best part? "Make the flowers the right color." :-D
Nikon should allow third party lenses like sigma, samyang.. to achieve more market space. Also should improve their tracking Af in all models in comparison.
Z7III? Well I found the Z8 too bulky and pushing back towards DSLR / D810 sized - I went mirrorless to LOSE weight given I carry 2 cameras for landscapes everywhere (normal Z7 and a full spectrum Z5). So that's where I would want a Z7III to be - a mini Z8 please!
Couldn’t agree more. Sony A1ii does everything a z8 can at less weight and better form factor for those who get outside. If you shoot landscapes you’re using an l bracket and at the point the z8 is a really beast.
Mmmm You were talking about cameras that just didn't meet predicted market sales? Perhaps some of the unqualifed influencers with their huge following with even less qualified followers play a sizeable part? Just a guess?
As you mentioned; .. a Z-7III perhaps sits in an occupied spot? I agree, 45Mp is a very good workable sweet spot. RAW pre-capture would be something that I would hold out for. I think I will wait until the Z9 II specks are released. If a Z7 III fills all my not so large parameters, I will jump that way. I won't speculate.
As always, Matt, your thoughts on this subject carries high value.
I started into "pro" Nikon gear in 1975, with a (film) F 2. (I'm not a professional, but appreciate the best gear, when I can afford it.) The entire ride since then has included consistently-tough and useful equipment, interesting tech developments, and more precision, in general. Basically, Nikon has spoiled me. I got my Z9 about 3 months after it's release, and it's not only impressive in general, but seems to have more features and capabilities than I can even use. But... That's cool, because whatever we consider high-tech, high-res, high-speed, etc., today, can look quite different in the future. I'm in! :)
any chance for a ZFC mark II ?
Would love to see Apple "Find My" integration. A lot of e-Bikes have this feature now that let you bind the product to your phone so if it is stolen you can locate it.
My Insata 360 Go 3S has it.
@@richardgorski23 exactly. It’s an open source technology that any company could use. I doubt Sony would ever because they are a computer competitor against Apple but Nikon could totally position themselves with this feature over other competitors.
If Nikon goes to a global shutter, they need to excel in the area of dynamic range where the Sony a9iii comes up short.
It's possible, but will be expensive to reach a low base iso red to use for 6k 120 sport (ie hi readout speed good low light) your looking at over 20k aud - the name red doesn't mean best.
Price and spec, it’s a flagship. This doesn’t need discussing.
The Z9ii will blow your socks off.
The Z7iii will be a 60mp partially stacked.
It’s about as valid as discussing the flat earth theory 😆
Another great summary, thank you Matt, seasons greetings 🙂
I don't think the z5 will get much of an update aside from the processor. It may get some new video features and maybe the picture control button on top the z50 II has. The z7 III is conundrum. Let's go back and look at what the z7 was originally. It was the mirrorless version of the d850. The z7 II was an improvement. The z8 is the true replacement for the d850. Other than the price point, do we even need a z7 III? There are no cameras with 24 mp after the z6 III so they put a partially stacked sensor in it. Will they do the same for a z7 III? How close can they let it be to the z8? I think it would still have a mechanical shutter and electronic in silent mode but with rolling shutter. It would have the new processor with tracking modes. I don't see it being more than 45 mp. It will either be a cheaper version of a z8 with less features or it will have to be in a category of is own. I've even heard people speculate that it could be a medium format camera like the GFX50. They say the z lenses would cover a sensor that size. It could be a landscape, portrait and product photography camera. But i don't see that happening either. I got into photography 7 years ago. The d850 was just coming out. Since then the z7, z7 II and the z8 have all come out within that time frame. That's a lot of change in that time.
You mentioned upscaling the Fujifilm 40Mp sensor to a circa 100Mp sensor, which is a valid possibility. An interesting possibility overlooked is upscaling the 26Mp stacked sensor from the X-H2s, to a 60 odd Mp fast read out stacked sensor option. With development over the last few years, a 60 Mp plus stacked, fast read out sensor as quick or quicker than the Z8/9 is a distinct possibility, particularly from Sony. If Nikon use that for anything is another question.
Yep, Matt, despite the long wait for firmware including the "quack" shutter release sound, my Z9 does look, sound and perform like a flagship. And it does shed water! LOL! 😀
Great vid Matt!!... very happy with my Z9, it's an extraordinary camera... wouldn't mind a Nikon rangefinder though!! Happy Christmas to all of you in Oz🎉😊
I've owned a Z5 for about 6 months and I absolutely love it. I'm a hobbyist mind you so my needs don't merit spending a lot more, though I may move up to a Z5ll depending on the cost and if Nikon comes out with a Z7lll and the cost of a Z5ll and a Z7ll are suddenly in parity I may go with the Z7ll.
I'm just looking for a stacked 45.7mp sensor. Which has stellar autofocus and can punch in using DX mode
I'll be the guy that says I have everything I need in bodies between the Zf, Z8 and Z9. Let's get some interesting new lens designs...Another Plena type lens or a Tilt/Shift. We need some super-fast wide angles as well.
IMO, more DX lenses for those shooters would be great (an f/2.8 or f/2.8-4 standard zoom, a constant aperture wide angle zoom). And then for full frame, maybe a 70-200 or -300 f/4? Not to mention there's still that S-line 35mm (likely f/1.2) still remaining on the original lens road map.
Hoping for the Nikon ZP rangefinder! You can do it Nikon!
Yes..
I think nikon asia uploaded one ad kinda looks like a nikon rangefinder
I sold my Z9 because I liked the Z8 better because of the smaller size. Sold the Z30, Z50, Z5, Z6II, Z7II and now have the Expeed 7 Processor Cameras minus the Z9 of course. I did pick up the Nikon Df & D500 for my F mount glass also. Cheers!
@@randallbrander8157 And I sold my Z8 to get the Z9, for the larger size. :-) Big hands, big battery, gps and two proper card slots. It made an outstanding camera a perfect camera.
@@300ShadesofGreen yes me too , Z9 perfect for big hands
@ I finally found a place for my little finger. :-)
Friday morning speculation vid! Donut & coffee ready! 🥳🍩☕📷
It's better to speculate than never... 🙂
Unfortunately I have an unfortune, being old and poor with the emphasis on *poor*! But I can always live in hope that my wife eventually buys the right Lotto ticket. Of all these, before I bought my little APS-C DSLR my dream camera was the D850 and now there's nothing yet to change my current choice, the Z8. One day...
I thoroughly enjoy you channel and it allows me to live vicariously!
All the best you and your family over the break and I look forward to more in the new year.
Alongside a medium format 8k camera, I'd also like to see Nikon release a rangefinder camera with Z glass for medium format.
I'd like a z7iii to be essentially a z6iii but 45mp. Smaller, lighter, and cheaper than z8
I think the likely specs for a Z9II will be the same stacked sensor, next gen processing (either two E7's or one E8), 30fps LC RAW, pre-capture LC RAW, overall improved AF, CF-B 4.0 support and practically unlimited buffer for all burst modes, perhaps some video improvements but not much, and priced at $6k or less. A Z5II would just get mostly incremental updates in FPS, buffer speed, and video. Not sure there will be a Z7III, as there is just no space in the lineup for a camera like that pricewise. If they did release it, it would have to be 60MP+ to compete with the A7R5.
Thanks for the food for thought, I think because we have the wonderful Z8 that there is not enough room in the lineup for a Z7III .
Several years ago when Nikon first revealed its “Z” mount, there was talk about the camera’s potential to accept a larger (medium) format sensor. Have heard no further info about that as I suppose current Z lenses cannot cover the required image circle?
I like to see Nikon to re engineer the sensor on the D810, that has that 36.3 pixel, make it stacked and load it with all the bells & whistles close to the Z8. Create a new universal flip screen. This I think will appeal more across genres because it gets all areas covered. I do believe Pre Capture Raw will come across all Expeed 7 bodies onces Nikon does all the Beta testing. We must remember, the higher pixel count comes, the higher it eats into your CF Express card. There's no telling what other RED features are there that could be incorporated into existing bodies? For me there are 2 things I dream of seing Nikon do...first is to have " in body focus stacking" and the 2nd is seing the Z lenses having variable ND's on them? I know the latter is wishful thinking but who knows....it could happened?
Z7iii with 45mp, Expeed 7, brighter EVF, better AF, ability to shoot 6k Nraw internal. I’ll buy it!
Should've added Z8 II to the mix!
Being only 18 months old, I thought perhaps a little early :)
The missing camera is a DX in a Z6III case, with IBIS and the ENEL15.
I would like to see firmware 5.x to bring pixel shift and portrait smoothing to the Z9 mark 1. :) I'll keep my Z9 for now no matter how Nikon evolves the Z9. It would have to be a revolutionary change for me to move on. Of course, my F2 is still my ultimate film body, so you know I'm not a frequent upgrader.
Hello Matt IMHO This would be ideal!
- 80mp+ Sensor
- Expeed 8
- 60+ fps shooting
- H.265, internal raw
- (maybe) 12K/8K/120p
- 4K/240p/
- 10-Bit 4:2:2
Hopefully they release a new wide angle lens for the Z50ii in the 10mm range.
Still want a very high mp camera, have no interest in speed, all I care about is great low light, great dynamic range and great auto focus.
Very high mp and great low light. Those things don't go together
@gwhech yes I know. Hoping there is an innovation
With 1.3m "actuations" on my Z9, I can honestly say it is the best camera body I have ever owned (and I've owned countless including the D4, D5 and D6). It has never let me down and does everything I have asked of it. I would not want a global shutter-only camera given its likely limitations but a hybrid sensor would be badass and would love to see it in the Z9II. I don't often shoot RAW so pre-release in RAW is not a huge deal to me. I do use pre-release quite a bit and being able to do FINE L at 120fps would be outstanding for my use case.
Quick one, does the Z6 II still a good body in 2024 when the S5 II is marginally more expensive but much more recent?
I bought my Z7 to use as a studio type camera. It is perfect for that kind of work! I think the Z7 line needs to continue excelling as a studio camera-so with that said, a Z7III should be 63MP with the same dynamic range as the original Z7 sensor. It doesn’t really need much improvement on video (except maybe unrestricted record time) because that’s what the Z6III is for. I’m ok with the future Z8 and Z9 staying 45MP as long as the sensor continues to improve on dynamic range and speed.
Matt, now that Nikon’s Z lineup is well rounded (with capable bodies) I think a 5-year cycle is more than good enough. A ZIII only makes sense if offers something not already in the lineup, a high pixel count portrait, product, landscape and architecture body where slow frame rates isn’t a problem, makes sense, at least to me. While something that will never worry me a global shutter capable z9II would give it some additional differential against the Z8.
I really hope they can put pre-capture in the Z9, because I'd rather spend my money on some nice long Nikon glass than having to upgrade the body so I can catch those damn fast little birds before they fly out of frame in a split second. One thing I'd LOVE is some system to group burst of images so it's easy to choose which frames to keep each pass of the shutter. It could probably be done by the likes of Adobe etc, Currently culling images can be a drag with 20fps and a good wildlife photography session, where you end up with SO many shots.
Interesting analysis. Once again, as a primarily landscape shooter, no reason to upgrade my Z7ii. My GAS urges are frustrated!
Nice chat, thanks!
I am primarily a Landscape, Portrait, and macro (including food and product) photographer. I am not looking for speed or high-end video capabilities, Size matters a lot to me (especially when hiking). I would love to see a z7iii with the latest chipset, a 60 MP partially stacked sensor, improved autofocus (especially for portrait), and possibly a second USB-C port for power like the Z8. The extra pixel size would be great when I don't want to hike with a heavy telephoto lens ( I can crop instead).
So for me, I love my Z9. I also loved my D800 and D850 when i was shooting with them. What would I want to see come out in the future? This is just my opinion, but it is what I would like to have. I would like to see a Z6iiiA for astrophotography with incredible HD range and very low noise at higher ISO. It would be easier to do lower noise in a 24MP camera than a 45MP. Frame rate does not matter. Just cut the noise. I would also love to have a Z8ii with a native ISO of 32 or lower with incredibly HD range for those of us who want to be able to shoot incredibly detailed images from a tripod of nature, sunrises, sunsets, long exposure where frame also does not matter. Higher MP? Maybe, but the lower native ISO would take precedence. Give me sharp, give me details, give me high dynamic range, give me better manual shutter speed controls for long exposure.
Hi Matt. Nice video!
What about different sorts of innovations besides just more of the same (i.e. faster FPS, processing, video etc.). Maybe they start to add computational photography into the mix - imagine how good low light could be if our Nikons had the same computational tech that our Iphones do- they would then blow phones away if they were competing on an even playing field for the software but with such larger and superior sensors and optics.
Also, what about anti-theft tech - why not have an option to use a fingerprint or retina scan to 'unlock' the camera so that without the key it is a brick that has no value to anyone - kind of like Iphones today?
Obviously, better upload to the cloud is welcome - they are working on this but get it to a point it is seemless and very easy to use, and at the same time, maybe put encryption on the files (or an option to use encryption) where if someone got your CFE card they could not read your files.
These sorts of things in addition to the 'speed' upgrades you mention could make for an interesting new generation of cameras.
Just a thought :)
-PD
What you describe are features that would make me avoid a camera and not upgrade, the main one being anti-theft. Putting anti-theft functionality into a camera would not only be an inconvenience and a liability, It simply wouldn't deter theft. Cars, phones, computers, etc. all have anti-theft technology and it doesn't stop or even slow down those intent on making a quick buck. 11,000 phones (2022) are lost/stolen every day, despite the fact they can be tracked, have password/fingerprint security and can be remotely wiped and locked. I don't want a camera that is going to inconvenience me more than a thief.
@@mozzman Hi Mozzman - I understand your POV - I guess I wasn't clear - seems to me all the things I was imagining can all be turned on or off so they would all be optional and if you didn't want to use them you would not have to.
In spite of what you said, I do believe that way less phones are stolen than would be the case if there were no security.
Nevertheless, I was not suggesting any of these things in lieu of what Matt was talking about, but rather in addition to and again they can all be on/off options.
Happy Holidays.
-PD
I would love to wait longer for z9 but for z7iii I definitely want it to be at least 60 MP sensor with better DR
Been thinking about a practical (low capex, new market) option: make a high resolution zf by replacing the sensor with the z7 / d850 sensor. That would give a path for anyone who likes the retro feel but wants more mp. Maybe ... and I mean maybe, revise the ibis to the locking version in the z6iii, but that would be a bonus. Without that it's probably about the least amount of investment to gain some additional marketshare, and doubles as a way to continue profiting from the high sunk costs of both the older 45 mp sensor and the zf.
ZF45. I like it. 📷
Leica seems to be doing fine with both a high and low resolution version of the SL
I would prefer less MP but wider dyanimc range and nosie control, i dont see any need (for the majority) to pushing above that, continue to tweak the 45mp.
Absolutely!
The only thing that kept me away from the Z7II was the unreliable AF. In terms of dynamic range it already outperforms the Z8/Z9.
Pixel shift might be a usable solution for even higher resolution landscape images. Cramming more than ~50 MP into a FF sensor is really not beneficial for image quality.
I'm waiting to see what Red technology is being integrated into Nikon cameras.
I think it would be smart, to wait a little longer for a new Z9 with major improvements rather than "only" minor improvements.
I myself would love to have some minor things like more cropmodes, e.g. 4 by 5 or 3 by 4 (or even customizable crop modes) and I would like the crop modes to be "non destructive" like they are in Fuji cameras. I guess that would be possible via firmware.
Hello Matt, on my side, six month ago, I have already pre-ordered two Z9II. I hope to get them at the end of 2025 or beginning of 2026. I really would prefear to wait and get great differences than just an update. I hope dual expeed 8 processor, higher frames/seconds rate, and all the actual options in the Z9 which gave a jpeg will turn with the z9II in raw files. (Pre-capture, multi-exposure .... )
Thank you for your vidéos
Christian from France
I’d go for hybrid sensor.
Longer...with more tech. Z9 is already so damned good for the vast majority of applications, I'm happy to wait another year for something that *really* steps things forward.
How about a medium format Z7iii with a Z mount to take benefit of current Z mount lens provided sensor size is compatible. This would make the new Z7 the ultimate portrait and landscape studio camera.
What would persuade me to buy a Z5 II? Same basic camera but with better autofocus in low light, maybe an Expeed 7 processor, price close to current version. Don't need a high-MP sensor, high-resolution video etc., just a good basic camera with functional and reliable autofocus in dimmer light than the current version.
Hello Matt, Yes I to love my Z9 and yes it may be good to add pre/post capture in RAW. I have used it in JPG and would of love the images to of been in RAW. and may be a higher dot EVF but I am more then happy with what I have. So why not have a Z9VH using the sensor from Red, making it move of a video/high speed camera the the Z9 a stills camer that can shoot video. As for the Z7iii I had the Z7ii and that need focusing speed and would need a jump to 80mp senior, as you say on a small senior like the ff seniors may be more trouble than its worth.
Had a rep tell about a month ago that a Z5 II was a possibility (actually came up while we were talking about hte Z50 II and how they needed to do a "Z80" instead). But I think we all know that a Z9 II is quite possible next year sometime (probably by the end of the year). Now, a Z5 II doesn't really make a lot of sense the way the guy described it to me (he said an Expeed 7 processor and new sensor perhaps 24MP-30MP but that it would still sit below the Z6 III in terms of features and performance).
I have a bad feeling Nikon may just upgrade the processor to Expeed 7, tweak the body design (likely flippy screen), and that will be it for the Z5II to keep the price point. Basically, similar to Z50II updates. Unfortunately, it means stretching the old D750 sensor another generation.
What I really want is a Zf in a new body, but that would likely raise the price point, and not sure Nikon will do that.
Looking for a 60 MP Ziii with Expeed 7 … a landscaper shooter.
We need a sport dx with decent battery capacity and ibis
I suppose to stay competitive with the other flagships Nikon will have to introduce a Z9 update with faster data processing and internal bandwidth to allow for RAW precapture and hopefully they can add some of the AI subject tracking found in Sony and Canon cameras. But it’s not like the current Z9 looks or feels behind the times. For the money the value is incredible and in the hybrid video space it’s still a powerhouse. Like the a1II, I don’t expect a Z9II to be a big leap forward in any category, rather refinements to an already potent camera.
I really would like to see the Z5 with a popup flash.
If they could make a z7iii like z8 but as small as z6iii I would love it. It does not need more then 5 frames per second. Parhaps more dynamic range.
If Nikon had a better log for video and faster/less cumbersome autofocus I’d definitely get a Z8 instead of Sony a1 II now (+ had some money left for a Z8 II upgrade when that’ll come out)
What I would want Nikon to do is release firmware to give us pre-capture in raw, and all the frame rates in raw. With that update I would be happy to wait for the next big thing. I have talked to other sports shooters and every one of them agree with me in that they would love pre-capture in raw, but they don't have a use for it in jpg. Give me that and the next iteration would have to be huge to get me to upgrade. I love my Z8. It is astounding.
wait longer and wait for refinements. Love my Z9 , it does everything I need and more. I am the limitation not the camera 🤣
Good video - think Z5 II (entry level FF) be mixed of ZF and Z6 II functionality, Z9 II (like R5 II upg) Expeed 8, tuned up sensor; beefy AF and higher FPS, e.g., 40 FPS, PRe-raw capture, dual video recording. Z7 III would be good mixed of Z7 II - ZF functionality with 60 MP Sensor £/$3500 (Max); 4K, 6K, 8K MP4 + limited Raw video recording
z9 or z8 ii would be in order i dont have really a problem with the video codecs( apart from the h-265) no what i want is a red raw codec n-log 2 and 3 profile with better stops. Generally speaking the dynamic range could be improved, rigth now if i try to do wb balance beyond 10 meter(uw) it doesn't work.... The raw is great but man is it costly on cf express b it would be nice to be able to dump on an ssd a better af would be nice too.
I think the Z5 should be next for the expeed 7 af etc
But if Nikon added all the features people are asking for - two cards, top screen, pop up flash, it would be bigger and heavier and more expensive.
It all depends on weather Nikon wants to have a low priced entry level to the Z series FX lenses
I’d rather see a d500 replacement
To differentiate the Z7III from the Z6III and the Z8, a 60 MP sensor not stacked, Expeed 7 with the autofocus system from the Z6III, 4k 30fps oversampled with no crop, 10 bit internal recording, no 6k to keep the price down. It could either have the tilt screen or the articulating screen, it does not matter for this camera. Price is between $3,000 to $3,200 USD. I believe it that would separate itself from the Z6III and the Z8.
I would like them to improve the sensor in Z9ii, lower noise and better DR, pre capture raw, 30fps/s, fast AF for animals
Still waiting for FW 5.1 🔥
The Z8 does everything I imagined a camera should do for my use case. A global sensor is not necessary with existing fast readout speeds. 45 meg is ample. It would be nice for a Z8 to have better connectivity to the web like a cell phone and better Blue Tooth connectivity, or better yet, the ability to text from the camera directly to a cell phone, email, or webpage.
Wouldn't it be good to see a Z replacement for the D500 and a global shutter twin expeed 7 in a Z9 mk2 ( with red DNA )
If Nikon is going to bring a Z7iii to market, it should prioritize dynamic range with a higher resolution to differentiate it from the Z8/9, otherwise, what is the point? More than a new Z9 or Z5, I would be happier if Nikon released a firmware update for the Z8/9 to give users the option to make the mode settings "sticky" (return to pre-set values when you re-select a memory bank) and to include drive mode as one of the stored settings.
I want a Z7 III with 800MP so I can put a 24mm f/1.8 prime lens on it and crop. I'll still get 12.5MP at 192mm. Maybe I'll take another prime like the 135/1.8 so I can get 50MP at 540mm. All at f/1.8 light gathering ability of course (sorry Matt, couldn't help myself ;)).
Love it
I'd wait a bit longer for a new Z9II but with more tech and speed. Let's see what Nikon does with that....
It could also be that Nikon does not continue the Z7 series, because the Z8 has replaced it.
Z7iii Expeed 7 70mp. All the 7's. I still want a Z3 (full frame no EVF)
The kind of optical quality the newer SONY lenses possess, I won't be surprised if Sony comes up with a 90 MP A7rVI PORTRAIT powerhouse with 85mm F/1.2 or 135mm F1.8 version II.
P.S. If you take into account the optical quality of newer Fujifilm 56mm F/1.2 on a 40MP APSC sensor, you may get an idea that extremely high quality optics can minimize diffraction even on an overly high resolution sensor
I look forward to seeing what Fuji can do :)
@@MattIrwinPhotography I'm merely putting Fujifilm's case as an example of how diffraction can be drastically decreased on a high pixel-density sensor through an extremely high optical-quality lens. Fujifilm's 40 Megapixel's density on APSC sensor is Exactly as high as 90MP on a FULL FRAME Sensor. *So (Pixel-Level) light gathering capability of a (possible upcoming Sony) FULL FRAME 90MP and (Fuji XH-2) APSC 40MP is exactly the same.*
@@MattIrwinPhotography *Fuji already did it* in terms of APSC. Look at their XT-5 and XH-2 cameras.
For the Z7III I would love to see a larger size Body like the Z8 because it is too small for my hand. And it would be a killer, if Nikon would squeeze in a 100MPix sensor in a size of the Fuji GFX (Medium Format ish...) That would disrupt the competition in a big time even if it would only be with limited production and just a HALO product.
I think the Z7III should be a hyper-niche camera focused on landscape/product photographers, something like the Hasseblad X2D or GFX series from Fuji. Readout speed wouldn't be a priority, but instead ultra-high resolution and dynamic range (100MP plus maybe), I think the "innovation" should be trying to achieve 15+ stops of DR at high-resolutions
Z1?
Hoping for 1 more firmware update for the Z9/Z8 with: Improved AF algorithm, Improved Wifi to phone transmission speed (software issue), Red Code Raw 8k60p video
There are leaked photos out there of a Z6 II already. 😮
I might be ready to pull the trigger on a Nikon Z7 Mark III if Nikon gives it a global shutter, stack the sensor, somehow include the bigger EN-EL18D batteries, use dual Expeed 7 processors, increase video recording resolution to 8k unlimited, add the full-size HDMI Port, add illuminated buttons, incorporate all the auto focus modes.
lol.