Many people see admirals as simply fighters, most fans of the series do not see them as characters that will have complex pasts, feelings, and narrative. This explains why people do not care about willpower effecting them, their approaches to fights, the use of ellipses, mental conflicts, backstories etc, they just see X blitxed Y and do not care for the context.
I agree with most of the points made in the vid, but Saturn was definitely acknowledging Luffy when he said “given the circumstances, I can understand why”. The speech bubble was placed right above Luffy’s head & Saturn tried to straight up KILL him straight after saying that.
I want to address the restless gamblers argument for a second. The idea that Luffy was motivated by his friends and the situation to win and Kizaru was demotivated making him weaker. I feel this only makes the yonko>admiral agenda even more true. Luffy is fighting every single arc for causes and people that he believes in and in turn makes him stronger. That also applies to other yonko. Admirals are all handicapped by their motivation. If Kizaru has no ambition, and aokiji and fujitora don't personally agree with the Marines frequently. Then Akainu is the only admiral who is getting strength from their beliefs.
@@michaelking1091 it's hard to say where admirals are relative to yonko. I acknowledge their power but I think Oda is trying to show us that admirals are weaker. 3 narrative example: Firstly aokiji is Blackbeards subordinate. Unless you are Buggy (who intentionally subverts this because he is a joke character) Captains across One piece are always the strongest member of the crew this has been an unwritten but true rule of one piece since the start. Luffy won't be fighting aokiji he will be fighting Blackbeard the captain. Secondly Greenbull ran from Shanks. Oda is showing us that Shanks is strong enough to deter Greenbull away. And that Shanks is a peace keeper. Finally not only did Kizaru get knocked out by Luffy's first acoc attack (white star gun) but Oda is making Saturn the big bad of the arc. He is doing this to show Saturn is the bigger threat and the gorosei as end of series fights not the admirals. That's why Saturn is getting the flashback So we can setup Saturn vs Luffy and Kizaru will fight someone weaker maybe Zoro. Tldr. Blackbeard captain>aokiji Shanks scares >Greenbull Luffy Gear 5 acoc > Kizaru With the exception of arguably whitebeard which I feel was to show Akainu being the strongest admiral and whitebeards decline in power. Oda is showing us that Yonko always hold the upper hand vs admirals 3 out of 4 times. He wouldn't have written yonko admiral interactions this way if he didn't. Sorry for the long post.
@@kylehalpern6695 nah I like reading it more of where I think this is going is this. while I do think the elders and Gods knight will be dealt with after the admirals - I also think the admirals will be dealt with leading up to those final match ups during the final war. What I think that will look like is the admirals will take the role of commanders that the monster trio has to fight. Then luffy takes on the fleet admiral - Akainu. So I expect zoro to fight greenbull and Sanji to fight kizaru. Then after those match ups we will be debating if zoro and Sanji are “yonko level”. So future straw hat match ups is another reason for oda to keep it vague
If this were a true 1v1 fight to the death, you couldn't call Luffy the winner just because he got the last punch. If Kizaru recovers before Luffy, he can easily kill Luffy's exhausted body. Stamina is a part of a fighter's overall ability. Kizaru deserves credit for pushing Luffy to his limit.
kizaru didnt push luffy to his limit, gear 5 just ran out. in a true 1v1, luffy wouldn't use gear 5 right off that bat, he would go through base and all of his gears then gear 5
I don’t agree with this because Kizaru wasn’t even trying to fight luffy, you implied Kizaru “Pushed luffy” when he barley did anything to him during the fight especially gear 5 . Gear 5 luffy only got a scratch by his light sword and the damage he took was from the barrier and tanking a light attack to save his friends. He did best Kizaru in gear 5, rob lucci was able to recover the same chapter after luffy beat his azz are we saying luffy didn’t best him? Luffy can replenish his stamina like he did with the kaido fight as well depending on the situation.
@@reppyjones9146wdym that’s luffy’s choice. He made the dumb move to powering up like that. We can’t control their actions like a video game character. If it’s a fight to the death luffy here would literally lose.
i like how people so talk so much when it comes to kizaru....but when it comes to luffy they just ignore the fact that luffy didnt even go all out by affecting his surroundings by the use of his devil fruit.....all he used was one conquerors punch and barely taking any damage after transforming to gear 5
Kizaru can fly. Rubberizing the surroundings is less useful in an airborne fight. Kizaru only even tried to attack Gear 5 twice. Once with a clone's sword, and once with a casual laser. Compared to that, Luffy was try-hard.
@@Dracule18why are you using Luffy's one successful attack as a win? That man Luffy needed kizaru to be off guard for that🤣🤣🤣🤣 kizaru was ignoring Luffy and Luffy was struggling like a noob 🤣🤣🤣
@@thevipivo6200 Luffy has advanced conquerer, he's literally stronger than kizaru plus kizaru even if kizaru took Luffy seriously (he knows about the Nika fruit) he has tunnel vision ATM so I believe he's using Nika as an excuse but he had to get hurt to truly convince Saturn
I personally believe the yonkou are over the admirals, but it's not by much. And to the people who think that the yonkou should one shot the admirals, what are you on? If that was the case then akainu would have died twice over, we watched that fuckers body contort in ways that should have meant death.
There is no outline matter the fact they been cases an admiral can be stronger than yonkos garp sengoku and big mom all had been chosen to become one. And don-chinjao you have to surpass a naval admiral and yonko to be come king of the pirates and how there powers and status been flaunted but oda always put an obstacles on an admiral to prevent him from using his strength and powers. It is safe to say admirals are just as powerful as a yonko “individually” and potentially to for one or 2 to be stronger.
@@awangthier407 I think that an "Admiral Linlin" would have a handicapped CoC by literally being completely under the WG. It's been heavily hinted that the Admirals motivation/will is compromised do to their conflicting loyalty to the WG, by extension the Celestial Dragons and their own sense of justice. Which is why we don't see them use CoC/ACoC even now. Not saying that the Admirals don't have CoC, all I'm saying is that that fact alone is what keeps them from being as strong/free to have full range of their CoC powers as motivation/will is highly connected to haki, especially CoC.
@@awangthier407 I personally think that the Admirals stats (DF mastery, physical strength, observation and armament) are on par with Gear 5 Luffy and the OG Yonko. The CoC being their only real disadvantage over the Yonko.
I am not too deep into One Piece but I have seen bits and pieces of it here and there and understand parts of it but I am in no way some sorta deep fan or super fan or anything but from my understanding and what the scaling and narrtive implies the navy Admirals are = to yonko level. I think 1 v 1 an admiral and yonko can fight pretty comfortably against one another and compete back and forth. I think folks tend to slep on the Navy fighters since for the most part they don't see a lot of action but I feel narratively they are at least equal. It wouldn't make sense otherwise if Yonko were all stronger than them because then they could all pretty much do what they want and if so desire smash navy HQ etc. However at the same time the navy is not recklessly sending their troop out to chase down any yonko likely related to the whole power balance thing going on in one piece. But if they were truly any stronger they'd have no reason to fear the navy or not do much considering they always stand in the way of pirates. They aren't known as the navy;s strongest weapons for nothing, they gotta be strong enough to be able to put down top tier pirates. So it makes more sense to me that 1 admiral = 1 yonko. Also keep in mind we have't even seen what an awakening of a fruit from one of them looks like but if an admirals strength is anything to go off Akainu and Aokijji are 2 we can get hints off of they fought for 10 days straight no resting and permanently changed an island. The admirals are beasts. I'd say Aokiji and Akainu are 2 of the stronger admirals tho and Kizaru is like ranked 3rd yeah I love Kizaru since i saw him but I am no fanboy of him like many folks are. I feel like he's the weakest of the OG trio. The narrative seems to point us toward Aokiji and Akainu being the stronger of the trio.
I mean Kizaru has to get nerfed somehow. If he weren't, the dude would just teleport in front of Vegapunk in one milisec, kill him and get out. Oda puts restrictions on his OP characters like Kizaru to advance the plot.
@@stephencox8723 it's not inconsistent at all... did you see the video? Kizaru hesitates so he loses power and he can't finish the job. Oda putting restrictions on characters isn't inconsistency, it's genius
Fr bro, majority of meat riders just spam "cope", " Fraud", "cry about it" And shits without ACTUALLY making any sense or providing some proofs or evidences
The craziest part is the examples they use are the stronger person having a mental conflict fighting that specific person. Kizaru has no mental conflict about attacking Luffy.
The only agenda unfortunaly was to not let Luffy fight Saturn. So Oda drew a horrible fight where Luffy waited to the last moment to punch him with Conqueror. So that both could fall in the same moment. If Luffy punched Kizaru with Conqueror in the beginning, there would be no fight and Luffy would have health to fight Saturn right away (and likely defeats him since Saturn will likely lose to Luffy). So the real oponent was Oda.
Wasn't luffy using haki against him during the snakeman phase? Also kizaru was blocking some g5 hits before the white star gun. White star gun is the only hit he took directly but that was an allout attack from luffy and that version was stronger than the one he used against kaido as he used the muscle muscle and the spin was way faster, so fast that luffy arm was ignited to some degree. Not saying the fight wasn't fair or kizaru > but it's reasonable to say kizaru wasn't focused on luffy and didn't use any significant move, just basic lasers targeting vegapunk and distract luffy.
Bro read the story. The flashback starts with kuma describing nika to Bonney. Then she says will I be freed too ? Implying that luffy will save Bonney from Saturn showing he is joyboy
@@obmis_arraid21 white star gun had conqueror. If not, them Kizaru suffered a major blow just by regular Haki. If had Conqueror, it shows that Kizaru would not tank a hit from it. Imagine Luffy giving a gatling full of conqueror? There is no way Kizaru would survive it. Luffy was made stupid in this battle, he had way more moves and creativity against Kaidou.
@@sonofcronos7831firstly, it was stated that G5 Luffy constantly cover himself with acoc. Secondly, white star used acoc, advanced armament and muke muke, that attack is much stronger than than any variation of gatling. And complaining about, why Luffy didn't one shot Kizaru immediately is just as stupid as complaining why BM didn't one shot Kid and Law, because the answer is - they just couldn't!
@@vampiranya9939no, it wasn't stated. Luffy was doing that exclusively while fighting kaido. We see how his coc activated with black lighting around luffy both times he used g5 against kaido. Against Lucci we don't see that, and neither against kizaru.
I think people don't understand that incompacitating someone is not the same as defeating them. If knocking them down was the condition for a characters victory then we could say that Katakuri was the winner in the fight against Luffy for example but we know that is not true. People also don't seem to understand that relative does not mean equal. Some admirals like Akainu and Kuzan based on the narrative are going to be some of the strongest fighters at the end of the story. We know that for example Kuzan and Akainu are stronger than Blackbeard because Blackbeard ran from Akainu because he did not want the smoke and Kuzan literally no diffed his crew. Personally ,this is head cannon but I believe Akainu is stronger than Kaido from a narrative stand point. People want to downplay the admirals for some reason but it doesn't make any sense when Admirals are portrayed in the story to be close in strength to the Yonkos and Mrmorj made a good point about the world government not equaling to the Yonko crews as its the entire world government vs 4 separate Yonko crews. People could argue that means that the World government can't handle two yonkos but that's not true. The world government can't handle or would struggle against two Yonko 'crews' not just the Yonkos themselves but the crews as well. People tend to overlook the fact that the world government also has to capture and contain the Warlords which are also power houses on their own as well as deal with the revolutionary army. So logically speaking if the Admirals were not as strong as the Yonko would the world government not crumble pretty easily seeing as the Navy admirals are stated to be the strongest fighters the navy has to offer who are in charge of keeping the world balanced?
Akainu's stronger than Kaido narratively? Kaido's literally one of the 3 living OP characters with the "World Strongest" Title. Akainu never had that level of notoriety and was extreme-diffed by an older, weaker WB. And it's very likely that he's not even Luffy's final enemy (he'll face him, though). This isn't DB, he doesn't need to be stronger than Luffy to be a threat. He just needs to be, well, threatening! Dude literally has command of the most powerful Army and is only below the Celestial Dragons in military might. He knows how to play dirty to get what he wants and be ruthless to Luffy's friends.
@@mstr293 that is wrong Akainu did not get extreme diffed by Whitebeard that's pure head cannon. Akainu was still up and moving and killing Whitebeard and the rest of his commander long after Whitebeard passed away. He did not defeat any admiral at marineford. Unless an admiral is knocked out or can't continue the battle then they are defeated otherwise like I said before we could say Katakuri no diffed Lufffy because he knocked him down a few times. You're right this is not DB and Akainu could just be weak and still be a threat because of the power he wields being in charge of the navy but that would be disappointing if he was weak because then it holds no real weight when Luffy beats him. It completely negates the narrative of him being too weak to save his brother if Akainu was actually weaker than him because Akainu and Luffy are connected by fate. The people narratively who are going to be the strongest in the series is Blackbeard who opposes Luffy's ideals and Akainu who killed someone dear to Luffy. Last thing I am going to say is I personally believe Kaido is not the strongest character in one piece ,he can't be ,it makes no sense for him to be the strongest as if he is the peak then there is no point of continuing the story because it would not be interesting and fun to read if Kaido was the strongest. Again this is just my opinion ,you can have yours and it can be a valid opinion if you explain why you think a character is stronger than another one if the argument makes sense obviously.
Admirals are weaker then yonko lol cope harder they are the navy’s strongest fighter but if push ever came to shove as we are seeing right now the gorosei and the holy knights would get on move
Theory Akainu know dragon and they where best friend and they will meat next arc Kuzan the first admiral we see have face garp hes mentor Kizaru the second admiral we meet was sent to kill vegabunk hes closest friend And akainu is the last admiral from the og we meet so i tink he will fight dragon and they will be close friend Also W vidéo
I agree with the points you made. But y'all gotta realize that Oda didnt only nerf kizaru,he also nerfed luffy by making him not use acoc which boosts his stats immensely,and also by making luffy have several fights before the encounter with kizaru hence he wasnt even a 100%. Kizaru definitely has a lot more in his arsenal but so does luffy as in g5 his creativity is off the charts. So all in all,trying to use this fight to predict who would win in an intense battle between the two is kinda useless.
Wr havent seen anything ftom kizaru again so he might have already gotten up and next chapter we see that bit currently they are making focus go to saturn and flashbacks plus man you seriously trying to say that kizaru lost because a beast with the highes durability in the entire series kaido took a way weaker unnamed attack and Got up sooner than kizaru who is technically a normal human and should have much much weaker durability didnt get up as fast after getting hit by a much stronger named attack a defeat? No if luffy was conscious and could have killed kizaru then yes defeat but now he cant and kizaru is the one conscious ofv luffy is stronger but thats dumb what your saying
@@Kacper-jw3bv Kizaru himself said he can't move for a while but here you are, contradicting Kizaru himself and saying he's already up making his move. The delusion is unreal.
@@Dracule18 im aaying he might have gotten up as a second passed as he said i might need a second to get up im not co tradicting snything you dont read my comment or chapter well it seems plus I said he MIGHT be up not saying he is. he MIGHT be up in the next chapter which makes sense with his statement i need a second and where am I contradicting him?
I already expected some ultra bias bull$hit when I saw restlessgambler in the title and just as I expected, mf said Kizaru missed Vegapunk intentionally.
This the top 2 realest one piece video I ever seen. Compare completely ruled out everything I am arguing about. This how one piece fans should see the Storie.
@SuperiorIQ the fact you acknowledged luffy then used the word BUT in here just negated all you said about luffy this is why teachers tell you not give a compliment followed by the word but it’s basically wipes out whatever you say. Lol like your lord and savior says (akainu) NO EXCUSES kizaru should not be applauded for underestimating a young emperor. 😂 There’s still time to join the winning side Yonko>Admirals.
@@SuperiorI.Q what reasoning beyond a load of copium. All it took was one unblocked conquers infused conquers haki to put Kizaru out. Sorry but Kizaru is going to be regulated to zoro and sanji his focus in this arc is over its Saturn and luffy piece. Time to stop crying Luffy shanks Kaido and mihawk are all stronger than Kizaru.
@@RestlessGamblrr ain’t I say this? They just say cope after in they’re sentences followed up with a whole bunch of bs that has nothing to do with what I was saying 😂😂
@@RestlessGamblrr characterizations nah all I see is excuses for why the job wasn’t done we aren’t applauding Kizaru for anything he ignore the biggest threat in favor of completing a job Kizaru lost the second he underestimated Luffy who was running around like a chicken with its head cut off consuming stamina. Like your lord and savior Akainu says no excuses. Stop crying an admiral lost to a Yonko deal with it. This is not kizaru arc he will no longer be fighting luffy and if luffy fights again it will be against Saturn. Characterization nah in this case it’s a shit load of copium and excuses.
i don't see alot of people mentioning that white star gun was speed boosted by kizaru's laser attack. it wasn't just luffy's spinning, his laser made him spin faster landing that attack.
@@silhouette_a yeah cool it grazed him as he twirled to dodge. As I said, the speed boost comes from gear 5’s ridiculous power to keep spinning like looney tunes taz
@@SuperiorI.Q I’ll ask a simple question for you navy are a bi stronger than 4 yonko reunites or navy is a beat stronger than 1 yonko crew ? Base on that your response I can understand if you actually understood anything about power scaling in one piece
garp held back against kuzan too 1. didnt use any galaxy attacks 2. only used acoc once 3. didnt throw kuzan in the sea 4.didnt use rokushiki techniques
Omg the headcanons and copium He did used punched Kuzan twice with "blue hole" and "galaxy divide" both of the attacks were coated in highest level of haki (ACOC)and my goat Kuzan tanked those like nothing, also tf u think Kuzan is??he is a fucking top tier , it would be a shame if anyone could throw him in the sea and drown him
15:10 The only difference is its named And because its named he gave it extra strength He goes buff mode spins and puts his buffness in the punch But hakiwise its lesser Luffy was using Armament Conquers coating and Ryou when he punched kaido And what matters is kaido got up and laughed He was enjoying himself cuz this strong fighter appeared Lizaru stay down like the dog he is
Bro kizaru is hesitating to kill vegapunk not to fight luffy He is probably super angry on luffy for intereputing his quality time with vegapunk Luffy also not using adv conq
Appreciate you actually acknowledging Luffy's performance in the fight. While I agreed that Kizaru wasn't at his best in this fight, I've seen many argues that Kizaru wasn't even trying and could one shot Luffy anytime he wants which is just disrespectful. Yes Kizaru wasn't really motivated in this fight but that didn't mean he wasn't trying at all (side note the situation between Garp at Marineford and Kizaru right now isn't exactly one to one, Garp straight up give up fighting at that point while Kizaru is still willing to accomplish his mission despite his emotions). If they both fought at their best with no emotional turmoil it's hard to say how the result would be though I could definitely see how people would say Kizaru wins(my vote is on Luffy but regardless they both won't have the fight easy). Fact of the matter is that Luffy still won the fight and even though Kizaru wasn't at his best he wasn't at one shot either. Also Luffy still haven't mastered gear 5 yet so one could say he wasn't at his best either.
we should borrow the concept of mental amps/mental nerfs from other fandoms and power scaling communities for these discussion.. i see other fandoms bring up mental amps/nerfs all the time but never the OP community.. even tho objectively, mental nerfs/amps exist in OP
even greenbull stated in the manga it was kaido rule that made strong enemies fear to come to wano. First Shanks he came to wano only after kaido defeat, then greenbull.
Admiral fans when this video isnt meant to upscale Kizaru but explain why he lost and elaborate that Luffy still won regardless 😂 If we doing Agenda Piece then it’s blatantly clear Yonko’s > Admirals and nothing ever disproved that.
My guy said multiple times have shown Kizaru did not want to kill V then say this one panel is all we need, that one panel is all u got but I do agree with most of what u guys say
Literally though. Admirals have never been in a situation where they can go all out that we’ve seen. The one time we know they could go all permanantly fucked up an island’s climate beyond repair and fought for 10 days straight. Any time the main plot happens they are handicapped beyond belief. The second Imu decides that keeping some important things iintact is not worth it everyone dies immediately.
Kizaru definitely hesitated to kill Vegapunk a couple times, and while I think you *could* argue he wanted Luffy to beat him on some level so Vegapunk could escape, Kizaru also could have just as easily felt Vegapunk was doomed to die, since this is a hopeless situation and his (likely stronger) boss is literally here watching him, so he knows he can't outright throw the mission (hence justifying his actions with the "cog in the machine" line). If Kizaru felt Vegapunk was doomed to die, why would he go easy on Luffy? Not like he has any emotional attachment to him specifically. Because of that, I don't think the Garp comparison is entirely fair. Garp stopping Luffy would have resulted in both his grandkids being killed. Kizaru beating up a Yonkou (who as far as he knows is a terrible influence on the world) is not at allll comparable to Garp not wanting to hit his grandson.
My theory about why Luffy got tired so quickly from G5 is that his Nika energy is powering the giant robot so his energy is being sucked away, which caused him to detransform. We know the robot woke up because of Luffys G5 heartbeat.
Does any even remember the photonic gloves anymore? We've been waiting on that payoff for a year already lol. Kizaru's role in this arc is not finished yet.
we as readers also know Kizaru was never getting held back by emotions. Biasedgambler used a whole bunch of other characters to prove Kizaru was nerfed even tho those characters were blatantly portrayed by Oda to be holding back and depressed while Kizaru is itching to Kill Vegapunk and blasted Sentomaru and said his job is greater than his feelings. Those characters he used as an example were directly fighting people they didn't want to harm while Kizaru was fighting Luffy. The situation is completely different.
@@Dracule18one of his jobs is to preserve the lab equipment that means he can’t use any destructive attacks and his mission to capture vegapunk is holding him back as well as he can’t focus on fighting luffy
@@Ffbjrjrnfddjdj. His attacks aren't destructive to begin with. And his job is to kill Vegapunk. They also want to get the punk record and power station but Kizaru and Luffy were fighting nowhere near that.
Im Luffy agenda, and I know that Star gun would stop any character besides Kaido (yes Shanks, Mihawk or BB would have take out like Kizaru) but I think its not a K.O attack, its more like a Stun (referencing old cartoon when they get hit and became dizzy with stars rotating around their head)
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Many people see admirals as simply fighters, most fans of the series do not see them as characters that will have complex pasts, feelings, and narrative.
This explains why people do not care about willpower effecting them, their approaches to fights, the use of ellipses, mental conflicts, backstories etc, they just see X blitxed Y and do not care for the context.
People forget that Luffy and Kizaru were fighting off screen. There is no way to know how many attacks each have taken.
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@@SuperiorI.Q we can find out whos better at sucking off sanji
One minute people were invested in kizaru stocks calling him top 1 and next minute he's a fraud 😭 one piece truly has a interesting community
I swear😂 this community is so biased and toxic toward characters
No one called him top 1
@udithsethu552 you right admiral meat riders call akainu top 1not kizaru
@@animoments8969cuz he is top 1 who else would fit that position?
@@udithsethu552 i saw a few people saying he's top 1
I agree with most of the points made in the vid, but Saturn was definitely acknowledging Luffy when he said “given the circumstances, I can understand why”. The speech bubble was placed right above Luffy’s head & Saturn tried to straight up KILL him straight after saying that.
I think that was because saturn knew kizaru's relations with vegapunk
I want to address the restless gamblers argument for a second. The idea that Luffy was motivated by his friends and the situation to win and Kizaru was demotivated making him weaker.
I feel this only makes the yonko>admiral agenda even more true. Luffy is fighting every single arc for causes and people that he believes in and in turn makes him stronger. That also applies to other yonko.
Admirals are all handicapped by their motivation. If Kizaru has no ambition, and aokiji and fujitora don't personally agree with the Marines frequently. Then Akainu is the only admiral who is getting strength from their beliefs.
Heck even Akainu is constantly butting heads with the Gorosei.
Oh hey I’m an admiral fan but I like where you’re going with this . At least it seems like you acknowledge where they can be on paper
@@michaelking1091 it's hard to say where admirals are relative to yonko. I acknowledge their power but I think Oda is trying to show us that admirals are weaker. 3 narrative example:
Firstly aokiji is Blackbeards subordinate. Unless you are Buggy (who intentionally subverts this because he is a joke character) Captains across One piece are always the strongest member of the crew this has been an unwritten but true rule of one piece since the start. Luffy won't be fighting aokiji he will be fighting Blackbeard the captain.
Secondly Greenbull ran from Shanks. Oda is showing us that Shanks is strong enough to deter Greenbull away. And that Shanks is a peace keeper.
Finally not only did Kizaru get knocked out by Luffy's first acoc attack (white star gun) but Oda is making Saturn the big bad of the arc. He is doing this to show Saturn is the bigger threat and the gorosei as end of series fights not the admirals. That's why Saturn is getting the flashback So we can setup Saturn vs Luffy and Kizaru will fight someone weaker maybe Zoro.
Tldr. Blackbeard captain>aokiji
Shanks scares >Greenbull
Luffy Gear 5 acoc > Kizaru
With the exception of arguably whitebeard which I feel was to show Akainu being the strongest admiral and whitebeards decline in power. Oda is showing us that Yonko always hold the upper hand vs admirals 3 out of 4 times. He wouldn't have written yonko admiral interactions this way if he didn't.
Sorry for the long post.
The real problem marines might be soon independent from the world government and marines will be alot stronger
@@kylehalpern6695 nah I like reading it more of where I think this is going is this. while I do think the elders and Gods knight will be dealt with after the admirals - I also think the admirals will be dealt with leading up to those final match ups during the final war. What I think that will look like is the admirals will take the role of commanders that the monster trio has to fight. Then luffy takes on the fleet admiral - Akainu. So I expect zoro to fight greenbull and Sanji to fight kizaru. Then after those match ups we will be debating if zoro and Sanji are “yonko level”. So future straw hat match ups is another reason for oda to keep it vague
If this were a true 1v1 fight to the death, you couldn't call Luffy the winner just because he got the last punch. If Kizaru recovers before Luffy, he can easily kill Luffy's exhausted body.
Stamina is a part of a fighter's overall ability. Kizaru deserves credit for pushing Luffy to his limit.
kizaru didnt push luffy to his limit, gear 5 just ran out. in a true 1v1, luffy wouldn't use gear 5 right off that bat, he would go through base and all of his gears then gear 5
I don’t agree with this because Kizaru wasn’t even trying to fight luffy, you implied Kizaru “Pushed luffy” when he barley did anything to him during the fight especially gear 5 . Gear 5 luffy only got a scratch by his light sword and the damage he took was from the barrier and tanking a light attack to save his friends. He did best Kizaru in gear 5, rob lucci was able to recover the same chapter after luffy beat his azz are we saying luffy didn’t best him? Luffy can replenish his stamina like he did with the kaido fight as well depending on the situation.
@@SuperiorI.Qthank you for not being biased for your agenda
@@SuperiorI.Qalso luffy was only confirmed to use on adv conquers attack in their fight
@@reppyjones9146wdym that’s luffy’s choice. He made the dumb move to powering up like that. We can’t control their actions like a video game character. If it’s a fight to the death luffy here would literally lose.
Saturn should’ve given Kizaru a raise mid fight and he would’ve low diffed Luffy. Big Business Borsalino cares about his job more than fighting Luffy
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Here comes the agenda
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bro turning his tip red
i like how people so talk so much when it comes to kizaru....but when it comes to luffy they just ignore the fact that luffy didnt even go all out by affecting his surroundings by the use of his devil fruit.....all he used was one conquerors punch and barely taking any damage after transforming to gear 5
Kizaru can fly. Rubberizing the surroundings is less useful in an airborne fight.
Kizaru only even tried to attack Gear 5 twice. Once with a clone's sword, and once with a casual laser. Compared to that, Luffy was try-hard.
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And the only time Luffy attacked him was the White Star gun part. Kizaru was one shoted by Luffy's first attempt.
@@Dracule18why are you using Luffy's one successful attack as a win? That man Luffy needed kizaru to be off guard for that🤣🤣🤣🤣 kizaru was ignoring Luffy and Luffy was struggling like a noob 🤣🤣🤣
@@samuraitadpole5459off guard when you have advanced observation and can literally move at the speed of light is outrageous
@@thevipivo6200 Luffy has advanced conquerer, he's literally stronger than kizaru plus kizaru even if kizaru took Luffy seriously (he knows about the Nika fruit) he has tunnel vision ATM so I believe he's using Nika as an excuse but he had to get hurt to truly convince Saturn
I personally believe the yonkou are over the admirals, but it's not by much. And to the people who think that the yonkou should one shot the admirals, what are you on? If that was the case then akainu would have died twice over, we watched that fuckers body contort in ways that should have meant death.
There is no outline matter the fact they been cases an admiral can be stronger than yonkos garp sengoku and big mom all had been chosen to become one. And don-chinjao you have to surpass a naval admiral and yonko to be come king of the pirates and how there powers and status been flaunted but oda always put an obstacles on an admiral to prevent him from using his strength and powers. It is safe to say admirals are just as powerful as a yonko “individually” and potentially to for one or 2 to be stronger.
@@awangthier407 I think that an "Admiral Linlin" would have a handicapped CoC by literally being completely under the WG. It's been heavily hinted that the Admirals motivation/will is compromised do to their conflicting loyalty to the WG, by extension the Celestial Dragons and their own sense of justice. Which is why we don't see them use CoC/ACoC even now. Not saying that the Admirals don't have CoC, all I'm saying is that that fact alone is what keeps them from being as strong/free to have full range of their CoC powers as motivation/will is highly connected to haki, especially CoC.
@@awangthier407 I personally think that the Admirals stats (DF mastery, physical strength, observation and armament) are on par with Gear 5 Luffy and the OG Yonko. The CoC being their only real disadvantage over the Yonko.
I am not too deep into One Piece but I have seen bits and pieces of it here and there and understand parts of it but I am in no way some sorta deep fan or super fan or anything but from my understanding and what the scaling and narrtive implies the navy Admirals are = to yonko level. I think 1 v 1 an admiral and yonko can fight pretty comfortably against one another and compete back and forth. I think folks tend to slep on the Navy fighters since for the most part they don't see a lot of action but I feel narratively they are at least equal. It wouldn't make sense otherwise if Yonko were all stronger than them because then they could all pretty much do what they want and if so desire smash navy HQ etc. However at the same time the navy is not recklessly sending their troop out to chase down any yonko likely related to the whole power balance thing going on in one piece. But if they were truly any stronger they'd have no reason to fear the navy or not do much considering they always stand in the way of pirates. They aren't known as the navy;s strongest weapons for nothing, they gotta be strong enough to be able to put down top tier pirates. So it makes more sense to me that 1 admiral = 1 yonko. Also keep in mind we have't even seen what an awakening of a fruit from one of them looks like but if an admirals strength is anything to go off Akainu and Aokijji are 2 we can get hints off of they fought for 10 days straight no resting and permanently changed an island. The admirals are beasts. I'd say Aokiji and Akainu are 2 of the stronger admirals tho and Kizaru is like ranked 3rd yeah I love Kizaru since i saw him but I am no fanboy of him like many folks are. I feel like he's the weakest of the OG trio. The narrative seems to point us toward Aokiji and Akainu being the stronger of the trio.
Akainu is fleet admiral
I mean Kizaru has to get nerfed somehow. If he weren't, the dude would just teleport in front of Vegapunk in one milisec, kill him and get out. Oda puts restrictions on his OP characters like Kizaru to advance the plot.
The writing for powers are extremely inconsistent in this series. That’s just part of One Piece. Battle are wonky.
@@stephencox8723 it's not inconsistent at all... did you see the video? Kizaru hesitates so he loses power and he can't finish the job. Oda putting restrictions on characters isn't inconsistency, it's genius
He didn’t lose power he was just holding back in ap
@@novasoul99 not really genius, just convenient
Fr bro, majority of meat riders just spam "cope", " Fraud", "cry about it" And shits without ACTUALLY making any sense or providing some proofs or evidences
this fandom is just stupid lol
well almost all fandoms are
which means majority of this world is stupid which is not wrong lol
Kizaru vs luffy wasnt fair
Lucci vs luffy was fair 🗿🗿🗿🗿
Cat vs Rubber
Cat beyond neg diff
@@LAWISTHEGOAT 😭😭😭😭
Cat could've beaten Luffy if he was serious.
Admiral Stan’s bringing out the mindset scaling is crazy
The craziest part is the examples they use are the stronger person having a mental conflict fighting that specific person. Kizaru has no mental conflict about attacking Luffy.
This is what we expected oda to do, were not gonna have an admiral beaten outright in this arc.
Kizaru even comments on how it’s a tough situation for him even before he got into egghead, on the boat with Saturn.
The Gambler luck run out 😢😢
Fr
Why ?
@@miissi7109 hé got copyright and most hes vidéo got erase
@@Bruh-wtf-did-i-just-watch poor him 😔
The only agenda unfortunaly was to not let Luffy fight Saturn. So Oda drew a horrible fight where Luffy waited to the last moment to punch him with Conqueror. So that both could fall in the same moment. If Luffy punched Kizaru with Conqueror in the beginning, there would be no fight and Luffy would have health to fight Saturn right away (and likely defeats him since Saturn will likely lose to Luffy). So the real oponent was Oda.
Wasn't luffy using haki against him during the snakeman phase? Also kizaru was blocking some g5 hits before the white star gun. White star gun is the only hit he took directly but that was an allout attack from luffy and that version was stronger than the one he used against kaido as he used the muscle muscle and the spin was way faster, so fast that luffy arm was ignited to some degree. Not saying the fight wasn't fair or kizaru > but it's reasonable to say kizaru wasn't focused on luffy and didn't use any significant move, just basic lasers targeting vegapunk and distract luffy.
Bro read the story. The flashback starts with kuma describing nika to Bonney. Then she says will I be freed too ? Implying that luffy will save Bonney from Saturn showing he is joyboy
@@obmis_arraid21 white star gun had conqueror. If not, them Kizaru suffered a major blow just by regular Haki. If had Conqueror, it shows that Kizaru would not tank a hit from it. Imagine Luffy giving a gatling full of conqueror? There is no way Kizaru would survive it. Luffy was made stupid in this battle, he had way more moves and creativity against Kaidou.
@@sonofcronos7831firstly, it was stated that G5 Luffy constantly cover himself with acoc. Secondly, white star used acoc, advanced armament and muke muke, that attack is much stronger than than any variation of gatling. And complaining about, why Luffy didn't one shot Kizaru immediately is just as stupid as complaining why BM didn't one shot Kid and Law, because the answer is - they just couldn't!
@@vampiranya9939no, it wasn't stated. Luffy was doing that exclusively while fighting kaido. We see how his coc activated with black lighting around luffy both times he used g5 against kaido. Against Lucci we don't see that, and neither against kizaru.
I think people don't understand that incompacitating someone is not the same as defeating them. If knocking them down was the condition for a characters victory then we could say that Katakuri was the winner in the fight against Luffy for example but we know that is not true.
People also don't seem to understand that relative does not mean equal.
Some admirals like Akainu and Kuzan based on the narrative are going to be some of the strongest fighters at the end of the story.
We know that for example Kuzan and Akainu are stronger than Blackbeard because Blackbeard ran from Akainu because he did not want the smoke and Kuzan literally no diffed his crew.
Personally ,this is head cannon but I believe Akainu is stronger than Kaido from a narrative stand point.
People want to downplay the admirals for some reason but it doesn't make any sense when Admirals are portrayed in the story to be close in strength to the Yonkos and Mrmorj made a good point about the world government not equaling to the Yonko crews as its the entire world government vs 4 separate Yonko crews. People could argue that means that the World government can't handle two yonkos but that's not true. The world government can't handle or would struggle against two Yonko 'crews' not just the Yonkos themselves but the crews as well.
People tend to overlook the fact that the world government also has to capture and contain the Warlords which are also power houses on their own as well as deal with the revolutionary army.
So logically speaking if the Admirals were not as strong as the Yonko would the world government not crumble pretty easily seeing as the Navy admirals are stated to be the strongest fighters the navy has to offer who are in charge of keeping the world balanced?
cmon bro. ya know its agenda piece on yt
Akainu's stronger than Kaido narratively? Kaido's literally one of the 3 living OP characters with the "World Strongest" Title. Akainu never had that level of notoriety and was extreme-diffed by an older, weaker WB. And it's very likely that he's not even Luffy's final enemy (he'll face him, though). This isn't DB, he doesn't need to be stronger than Luffy to be a threat. He just needs to be, well, threatening! Dude literally has command of the most powerful Army and is only below the Celestial Dragons in military might. He knows how to play dirty to get what he wants and be ruthless to Luffy's friends.
@@mstr293 that is wrong Akainu did not get extreme diffed by Whitebeard that's pure head cannon.
Akainu was still up and moving and killing Whitebeard and the rest of his commander long after Whitebeard passed away.
He did not defeat any admiral at marineford.
Unless an admiral is knocked out or can't continue the battle then they are defeated otherwise like I said before we could say Katakuri no diffed Lufffy because he knocked him down a few times.
You're right this is not DB and Akainu could just be weak and still be a threat because of the power he wields being in charge of the navy but that would be disappointing if he was weak because then it holds no real weight when Luffy beats him.
It completely negates the narrative of him being too weak to save his brother if Akainu was actually weaker than him because Akainu and Luffy are connected by fate.
The people narratively who are going to be the strongest in the series is Blackbeard who opposes Luffy's ideals and Akainu who killed someone dear to Luffy.
Last thing I am going to say is I personally believe Kaido is not the strongest character in one piece ,he can't be ,it makes no sense for him to be the strongest as if he is the peak then there is no point of continuing the story because it would not be interesting and fun to read if Kaido was the strongest.
Again this is just my opinion ,you can have yours and it can be a valid opinion if you explain why you think a character is stronger than another one if the argument makes sense obviously.
@@errormessage1611no he wasn’t lol akainu literally did nothing to no named characters
Admirals are weaker then yonko lol cope harder they are the navy’s strongest fighter but if push ever came to shove as we are seeing right now the gorosei and the holy knights would get on move
Its like minato when he found out obito was alive. Mentally nerfed
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Both my boys Superior and Restless are in the same video, I can die happy.
I remember commenting about how you 2 should collab like a week ago. It's cool to see how you guys actually did the colla
Theory
Akainu know dragon and they where best friend and they will meat next arc
Kuzan the first admiral we see have face garp hes mentor
Kizaru the second admiral we meet was sent to kill vegabunk hes closest friend
And akainu is the last admiral from the og we meet so i tink he will fight dragon and they will be close friend
Also W vidéo
Been waiting for this collab🔥
I agree with the points you made. But y'all gotta realize that Oda didnt only nerf kizaru,he also nerfed luffy by making him not use acoc which boosts his stats immensely,and also by making luffy have several fights before the encounter with kizaru hence he wasnt even a 100%. Kizaru definitely has a lot more in his arsenal but so does luffy as in g5 his creativity is off the charts. So all in all,trying to use this fight to predict who would win in an intense battle between the two is kinda useless.
Luffy actually does use ACoC at the end with white star gun
@@recnanledalb6825 yes, and that one punch blitzed and put kizaru down
Kizaru isn't using his awakening yet too
@@saleharimao3999 how do you know he has an awakening?
kaido got up in the next page
kizaru said he cant move for a while, he's defeated
not the same thing
Wr havent seen anything ftom kizaru again so he might have already gotten up and next chapter we see that bit currently they are making focus go to saturn and flashbacks plus man you seriously trying to say that kizaru lost because a beast with the highes durability in the entire series kaido took a way weaker unnamed attack and Got up sooner than kizaru who is technically a normal human and should have much much weaker durability didnt get up as fast after getting hit by a much stronger named attack a defeat? No if luffy was conscious and could have killed kizaru then yes defeat but now he cant and kizaru is the one conscious ofv luffy is stronger but thats dumb what your saying
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Kizaru himself said he can't move for a while but here you are, contradicting Kizaru himself and saying he's already up making his move. The delusion is unreal.
@@Dracule18 im aaying he might have gotten up as a second passed as he said i might need a second to get up im not co tradicting snything you dont read my comment or chapter well it seems plus I said he MIGHT be up not saying he is. he MIGHT be up in the next chapter which makes sense with his statement i need a second and where am I contradicting him?
@@Kacper-jw3bv lmao
Nobody alive has kaido durability. Had that been shanks who has the weakest durability out of bm, kaido and luffy, he would be hurting badly as well.
I already expected some ultra bias bull$hit when I saw restlessgambler in the title and just as I expected, mf said Kizaru missed Vegapunk intentionally.
PEAK video fr🔥
This the top 2 realest one piece video I ever seen. Compare completely ruled out everything I am arguing about. This how one piece fans should see the Storie.
@SuperiorIQ the fact you acknowledged luffy then used the word BUT in here just negated all you said about luffy this is why teachers tell you not give a compliment followed by the word but it’s basically wipes out whatever you say. Lol like your lord and savior says (akainu) NO EXCUSES kizaru should not be applauded for underestimating a young emperor. 😂
There’s still time to join the winning side Yonko>Admirals.
I said but then followed up with actual reasoning that didn’t contradict me acknowledging luffy but hey you disregard it CUs it don’t fit your agenda
yo bro you know what characterization is?
@@SuperiorI.Q what reasoning beyond a load of copium. All it took was one unblocked conquers infused conquers haki to put Kizaru out. Sorry but Kizaru is going to be regulated to zoro and sanji his focus in this arc is over its Saturn and luffy piece. Time to stop crying Luffy shanks Kaido and mihawk are all stronger than Kizaru.
@@RestlessGamblrr ain’t I say this? They just say cope after in they’re sentences followed up with a whole bunch of bs that has nothing to do with what I was saying 😂😂
@@RestlessGamblrr characterizations nah all I see is excuses for why the job wasn’t done we aren’t applauding Kizaru for anything he ignore the biggest threat in favor of completing a job Kizaru lost the second he underestimated Luffy who was running around like a chicken with its head cut off consuming stamina. Like your lord and savior Akainu says no excuses. Stop crying an admiral lost to a Yonko deal with it. This is not kizaru arc he will no longer be fighting luffy and if luffy fights again it will be against Saturn. Characterization nah in this case it’s a shit load of copium and excuses.
bro I'm just waiting it out , when and admiral goes all out its gonna prove everyone wrong
Facts
Great video. An additional dimension of Powerscaling done well
What if Kizaru refused to get up so that he doesn't have to kill Vega Punk?
Luffy vs Kizaru wasn't even a fight at all. It really is sad how the Luffy/Yonko stans can't ever accept that. 🤣🤣
Bro still has Luffy above kizaru despite the 16 min video funny enough
@@BigDBGurutbf advanced conquerer haki put you above everyone without it so I do think Luffy is stronger but he'd still lose since he's a fresh yonko
@@samuraitadpole5459 w opinion
@@BigDBGuru thanks
@@samuraitadpole5459kizaru laying on the ground saying he can’t move:
My two GOATS in one vid got me more hyped then a celestial slave waiting for Nika to free them😭🙏
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i don't see alot of people mentioning that white star gun was speed boosted by kizaru's laser attack. it wasn't just luffy's spinning, his laser made him spin faster landing that attack.
Yea that's why kizaru was confused before he got hit
They're gonna say "Luffy's spinning was planned ahead" 😅
Bruh he was just trying to dodge the laser and it was gear 5 ridiculous power that made him continuously spin super fast like looney tunes taz
@@zetineb88 the whack sfx implies a hit. There was nothing hitting Luffy beside that laser.
@@silhouette_a yeah cool it grazed him as he twirled to dodge. As I said, the speed boost comes from gear 5’s ridiculous power to keep spinning like looney tunes taz
Grown man just not accepting they were wrong that embarrassing😂😭
What was I wrong about? Grown ass man just talking just to talk
@@SuperiorI.Q I’ll ask a simple question for you navy are a bi stronger than 4 yonko reunites or navy is a beat stronger than 1 yonko crew ? Base on that your response I can understand if you actually understood anything about power scaling in one piece
@@lowky5698WG > 4 yonko crews
@@Sirius2376 im not saying the world government im talking about only the marines and shichibukai
hey its the "Sanji Disappears" guys in the same video! Cool!
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Man i’ve been waiting for you two to collab, you both have the same style/humor
Admiral stocks took a hit but we still up 😂😤
I just read the spoilers of chapter 1024 and... This video aged well...
I love how One Piece Treasure Cruise is a treasure trove for character art haha
Y’all should join the Olympics with these gymnastics
This is my opinions, Borsellino was not fair to Strawhat fighting him in not good shape
At the end of the day luffy put kizaru out of commission with one punch. No crying or yapping chamged that fact
garp held back against kuzan too
1. didnt use any galaxy attacks
2. only used acoc once
3. didnt throw kuzan in the sea
4.didnt use rokushiki techniques
Omg the headcanons and copium
He did used punched Kuzan twice with "blue hole" and "galaxy divide" both of the attacks were coated in highest level of haki (ACOC)and my goat Kuzan tanked those like nothing, also tf u think Kuzan is??he is a fucking top tier , it would be a shame if anyone could throw him in the sea and drown him
@@Sanji741 go ahead and prove garp punched kuzan with galaxy divide and not pizzarro.
@@KyokaOshi Are u fucking blind??Garp literally blitzed Kuzan like he has been stated to blitz any pirate alive and hit him ACOC attack Galaxy divide
@@Sanji741he didn't. Cope
I respect the heck out of you for this video man and I do see your point of view
Greatest crossover OAT
facts facts you both are some of my fav optubers
when the end of the year comes, you guys should do a live stream on your top 50 characters. that would be something many would watch
Mental conflict 😂😂
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The only difference is its named
And because its named he gave it extra strength
He goes buff mode spins and puts his buffness in the punch
But hakiwise its lesser
Luffy was using Armament Conquers coating and Ryou when he punched kaido
And what matters is kaido got up and laughed
He was enjoying himself cuz this strong fighter appeared
Lizaru stay down like the dog he is
One Piece fandom is the only fandom where one has to spoon feed them things which are written in nice bold words, continue cooking, W collab
Jjk fandom too
“HESITATION IS DEFEAT”
- You already know
“Face me, Sekiro!”
Bro kizaru is hesitating to kill vegapunk not to fight luffy
He is probably super angry on luffy for intereputing his quality time with vegapunk
Luffy also not using adv conq
We're in the final saga a blend of speed, power, haki and mental fortitude determines the winner.
Appreciate you actually acknowledging Luffy's performance in the fight. While I agreed that Kizaru wasn't at his best in this fight, I've seen many argues that Kizaru wasn't even trying and could one shot Luffy anytime he wants which is just disrespectful. Yes Kizaru wasn't really motivated in this fight but that didn't mean he wasn't trying at all (side note the situation between Garp at Marineford and Kizaru right now isn't exactly one to one, Garp straight up give up fighting at that point while Kizaru is still willing to accomplish his mission despite his emotions). If they both fought at their best with no emotional turmoil it's hard to say how the result would be though I could definitely see how people would say Kizaru wins(my vote is on Luffy but regardless they both won't have the fight easy). Fact of the matter is that Luffy still won the fight and even though Kizaru wasn't at his best he wasn't at one shot either. Also Luffy still haven't mastered gear 5 yet so one could say he wasn't at his best either.
needed the 15 seconds to check that you're not a fan of agendas, just be ready when HIM shows his brilliance
Such a dynamic duo 🥲 cook goats
we should borrow the concept of mental amps/mental nerfs from other fandoms and power scaling communities for these discussion.. i see other fandoms bring up mental amps/nerfs all the time but never the OP community.. even tho objectively, mental nerfs/amps exist in OP
hopefully this video shuts up the sanji haters and bringing up the "he was exhausted after fighting queen he aint that strong" bullshit
even greenbull stated in the manga it was kaido rule that made strong enemies fear to come to wano. First Shanks he came to wano only after kaido defeat, then greenbull.
16min and 46sec of facts
Luffy vs kizaru wasn’t a fair fight. But Sanji vs Saturn was fair and square. Cope some more.
Lmao fraudji fans are coping so hard
To bad it was base Sanji and bro still only had some blood on his face lmk when Zoro finished his fight with his rival🥱.
@@DripJambe so much for having exoskeleton that is supposed to be passive without transforming. 🫡
@@DripJambehis rival is stronger than sanji tho😂
@darwinvarghese3730 cope harder sanji oneshot that pussycat
SuperiorIq uploaded my day is considerably worse❤❤❤
THE GOATS COLLAB
Luffy fought Lucci too using gear 5,he already was exhausted. Not to forget all those seraphim.
Admiral fans when this video isnt meant to upscale Kizaru but explain why he lost and elaborate that Luffy still won regardless 😂
If we doing Agenda Piece then it’s blatantly clear Yonko’s > Admirals and nothing ever disproved that.
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Love the vid bro completely agree. Your also a homie for getting RG on this vid after what happened 👌🏿
@@maliklofton9148 ily Malik you the homie
@@SuperiorI.Q Nah you is😭🙏🏿keep up the good work bro
the collab we needed
My guy said multiple times have shown Kizaru did not want to kill V then say this one panel is all we need, that one panel is all u got but I do agree with most of what u guys say
Literally though. Admirals have never been in a situation where they can go all out that we’ve seen. The one time we know they could go all permanantly fucked up an island’s climate beyond repair and fought for 10 days straight.
Any time the main plot happens they are handicapped beyond belief.
The second Imu decides that keeping some important things iintact is not worth it everyone dies immediately.
Admiral fans make the lamest excuses 😂😂😂
Lmao this dude was the same guy coping that kizaru was going to get up now he’s coping it was not a fair fight lol
"I have no excuse" "I can't move" - kizaru. The copium is strong.
Sure but the strongest ally of vagepunk for is out of count Saturn can take of the weakling
At first I thought this was a big reach but ngl the examples speak for themselves. There’s too many to say it doesn’t matter
Why is it when ever the admirals lose there is always so many excuses that came up😂😂
This bs plot armor so everytime luffy crewmates talk or give him hope he gets a new powerup
Kizaru definitely hesitated to kill Vegapunk a couple times, and while I think you *could* argue he wanted Luffy to beat him on some level so Vegapunk could escape, Kizaru also could have just as easily felt Vegapunk was doomed to die, since this is a hopeless situation and his (likely stronger) boss is literally here watching him, so he knows he can't outright throw the mission (hence justifying his actions with the "cog in the machine" line).
If Kizaru felt Vegapunk was doomed to die, why would he go easy on Luffy? Not like he has any emotional attachment to him specifically.
Because of that, I don't think the Garp comparison is entirely fair. Garp stopping Luffy would have resulted in both his grandkids being killed. Kizaru beating up a Yonkou (who as far as he knows is a terrible influence on the world) is not at allll comparable to Garp not wanting to hit his grandson.
It's a tie overall
W vid and w 2 dads luv u have good day❤❤
My theory about why Luffy got tired so quickly from G5 is that his Nika energy is powering the giant robot so his energy is being sucked away, which caused him to detransform. We know the robot woke up because of Luffys G5 heartbeat.
Does any even remember the photonic gloves anymore? We've been waiting on that payoff for a year already lol.
Kizaru's role in this arc is not finished yet.
Franky is the only one who doesnt have haki soo
I wouldn’t really call it a fight. Luffy just plays games these days and then mollywhops them in one hit.
luffy one shot like any top tier one shot the admirals
you two should do a collab or stream w KOL regarding Yonkos vs Admirals istg id pay good money for that
Didntkol say katakudi beats kizaru
Mental argument isn’t valid because Kizaru always has a mental battle during his missions if it’s his normal he’s not disadvantaged by it
Okay lets chill garp probably fell asleep (on purpose) after luffy hit him 😂
W vid n W collab
nobody mentioning the fact that luffy fought awakened lucci like 20 mins before kizaru is kinda wild lol
Just here after recent events. Kizaru did /IS NOT really incapacitated! At ALL
Admirals always have excuses.
I swear that's the thing. They always have excuses
Admiral fans will see their character get one shotted and be like their character wasn’t trying
Nice Video bro👍👍
Cmon u guys, by kizaru’s own words “ i have no excuse “
What does this have to do with anything. We as readers know Kizaru actually has an excuse.
Can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not.
we as readers also know Kizaru was never getting held back by emotions. Biasedgambler used a whole bunch of other characters to prove Kizaru was nerfed even tho those characters were blatantly portrayed by Oda to be holding back and depressed while Kizaru is itching to Kill Vegapunk and blasted Sentomaru and said his job is greater than his feelings. Those characters he used as an example were directly fighting people they didn't want to harm while Kizaru was fighting Luffy. The situation is completely different.
@@Dracule18 w
@@Dracule18one of his jobs is to preserve the lab equipment that means he can’t use any destructive attacks and his mission to capture vegapunk is holding him back as well as he can’t focus on fighting luffy
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His attacks aren't destructive to begin with. And his job is to kill Vegapunk. They also want to get the punk record and power station but Kizaru and Luffy were fighting nowhere near that.
unravel bgm is so good ❤
They should have sent Greenbull to do it 😮💨
Im Luffy agenda, and I know that Star gun would stop any character besides Kaido (yes Shanks, Mihawk or BB would have take out like Kizaru) but I think its not a K.O attack, its more like a Stun (referencing old cartoon when they get hit and became dizzy with stars rotating around their head)