No. It's never stated once. Gege brought real scientists to fact check the manga. The explosion is a side effect caused when dismantle and cleave chops buildings to fine debri which was absent when he used his domain against gojo and the first fingerer. This debri is seen in the Yuji vs sukuna domain expansion. The debri ( combustible particle) will combust as a whole cause a dust explosion.
For sukuna to use the flame arrow at the size he did this chapter he has to destroy a massive area to build up heat and set the charges for the chain reaction if sukuna had expanded his domain that large against gojo in the first domain clash he wouldnt have been able to overpower gojo domain so quickly because the larger the domain the less concentrated his slashes are and thus a lower output he might not have even won that clash
If thats the case, Gojo can run away. He couldn’t damage Gojo enough for him to sit there and eat a fire arrow explosion to the face. You’re insinuating Gojo is going to sit there while he CHARGES that attack. He would need to cripple Gojo.
@@samuelreid4529 I disagree. The usage of the fire arrow isnt slow because of the binding vow in place and as he sends the arrow the entire radius of the domain will explode so gojo at bare minimum is taking the explosion damage. The most he can do is defend with as much ce as possible which if its a full size sukuna domain hed die from it. However I think the insufficiency sukuna was talking about is in correlation to the size of the domain so like gojo would still get hit by the arrow or explosion but the damage wont be as much since its smaller
Satoru said that because he didn't know if he could be him without ten Shadows because he didn't knew about Sukuna ultimate attack and because he never fought Sukuna without the 10 Shadows, Satoru isn't the narrator who knows all things about JJK.
Correction: Sukuna was the challenger, he wouldn't be able to get off fire arrow until he permanently got rid of Gojo's domain, and even then Gojo was piecing sukuna up in his own domain while using rct. However if Sukuna got hit even once by Gojo's domain, then it's over with. Sukuna loses without 10s, because he'd start the fight expanding his domain to it's maximum, which would destroy Gojo's first domain, but Gojo would be piecing up sukuna not giving him time to use fire arrow and his technique would be healed before sukuna gets the chance to activate fire arrow, and he'd Teleport outside sukuna's domain range, and if Sukuna attempt to follow then he's finished cuz Gojo's domain 1 taps since it's inf stun. Then there's "ok what if sukuna doesn't expand his range" then his fire arrow would lose significant firepower, and it'd be even easier for Gojo to dodge since Gojo isn't trapped with sukuna, instead sukuna is trapped with Gojo, and sukuna would have to attempt to cut off Gojo's exit to pressure him as much as possible, while simultaniuosly finding an openning to use fire arrow, which he wouldn't have since Gojo would leave the domain before then, and it'd end up just like the manga. Sukuna trapped in infinite void. (if the domain range is lowered then Gojo has an easier chance of escaping, and sukuna would have to be the one to keep gojo in his domain since Gojo has a variety of anti domain techniques, but since sukuna wouldn't be able to rely on his domain to pressure Gojo into staying inside of it, then that means sukuna would have to take that action, which means he wouldn't be able to use fire arrow)
@@zizu-lakaka Apologies, I did not intend to make an argument, but instead shed light on how I believed it would play out from my current observation on how the battle occurred in the current story.
Gojo loses hard if sukuna was going for the kill and not for adaptation in the domains. Plus Gojo was spent at the 2nd domain already. Let's also bring up the fact that he conveniently had the shrink tech. Gojo would last 3 domains max because either sukuna closes his domain on the second clash and gojo dies trying to cast another one or rct fails him and he gets chopped. No mahoraga needed Mahoraga Was for the slash and not to win. Da and de exist so why would "needed" be a thing rather than just more options. It's common sense. If sukuna kileed him in the domains then "needed" isn't the word. Understand that killing gojo wasn't the primary objective.
*I doubt Flame Arrow would be that useful since not only did it not instantly kill Choso or shatter his blood barrier but the charge time is to long to actually use in combat which explains why Sukuna only uses it on Stationary Targets since by the time its read Gojo would already be gone and out of range which is why Sukuna chose to fight Gojo in Malevolent Shrine rather than using it* *Not to mention Gojo could just block this with Simple Domain or Falling Blossom Emotion and since Flame Arrow seems to be just a bunch of tiny Dismantle's and Cleave's Gojo's Simple Domain wouldn't shatter from Flame Arrow since It lasted atleast 3 mins against Malevolent Shrine which literally spawns hundreds of slashes a second* *As to why Gojo said he would lose to Non Ten Shadows Sukuna, instinctively I'd say PLOT but if you want a more in verse reason, from what I've seen its mainly Gojo THEORIZING Sukuna's Strength since he doesn't actually know Sukuna's full kit or i just call that scene "Fear of the Unknown" , its also directly debunked Pages later when Sukuan said he needed Ten Shadows to win*
Given the fact he said he wouldn't get past Infinity, said he was Gambling his life and was nervous he'd Beat Gojo with Ten Shadows, His Heian Form and the World Slash clearly without it he loses. Oh and he Screaming at Mahoraga to hurry up and get past Infinity and it shows an exclamation mark showing that he's SCREAMING at Mahoraga showing how he was afraid he would win
one thing I just find odd is people asking how Gojo vs Heian era (so the one during heian era) Sukuna, who would win? like its obvious that Sukuna would have won that fight, just by seeing the manga fight. Sukuna after destroying first domain would fight Gojo while having 4 arms, his CT, and 2 cursed tools, while gojo would be burned out.
It’s not obvious because sukuna wouldn’t have any bail out cards or ways to bypass infinity, remember he needed mahoraga to figure out how to by pass it as well as needing megumis soul to tank infinite void.
@@JubWhere except we know both will use their domain expansions, we know Sukunas will destroy Gojos, meaning Gojo will lose his technique. Then we see that during the first clash, Sukuna while having fun and buying time for mahoraga to adapt is about equal to technique less Gojo. And Sukuna also didn't use his technique, and was in a weaker body. Meaning If you think Gojo would be able to beat Sukuna that tried, that uses his technique, that has a stronger body, that has 2 CT, and Chants. Then you may need to reread the manga.
@@palmtv3538 why on earth would you think sukuna wasnt trying in their fight. There was legit a point where the narrator said it was the first time he had felt nervous in a battle in 1k years
@@JubWhere did you even read the fight. Sukuna felt nervous after Gojo had hit 4 black flashes and both had lost their domains. If you read the first domain clashes Sukuna wasn't nervous, cause all he wanted was Mahoraga to adapt, not defeat Gojo. We even see that Sukuna plan was to just make Gojo overuse domain expansion, everything that happened in that fight Sukuna had kinda a plan for. Because if he wanted to defeat Gojo, then he wouldn't have been in Megumi form, and he would have summoned mahiraga and agito when he won the first domain clash.
Sukuna made those furnace binding vows in the Heian era not in the moment. If you look it had the same effect in shibuya. Everything in the domain got turned to dust remember. That’s what yuji reawakened too an empty crater in the same way as what he’s in right now. That also explains why he was able to use furnace on jogo because it was a single target so it followed his binding vow. Both aspects of the vow were shown previously in the story.
@@diamantemrobinson Thats a misconception. Gojo isnt better at h2h they are relative. If you look back at the fight the only times gojo had an upper hand was. A: Black flash amped B: Sukuna cant touch him because his domain amplifcation isnt up (Everytime the wheel is black is when he uses it)
@@flqff7067 no, there are time were he surprised sukuna with his technique to get advantage in h2h, but at the start of the fight when sukuna is using DA+h2h against gojo they are quite equals and gojo even spam blue to get advantages lol.
I think the reason is because of Infinity along with Gojo maybe noticing some of Sukuna's character. Had he fought a Heien Era Sukuna without like the Megumi Conditions and such he would have fought more optimally and if Infinity wasn't this power that pushed everything away from Gojo then physically Having 4 Arms would just mean Sukuna would put the hands on Gojo also he has 2 Mouths and could chant, use his Slashes, and so many other abilities. It's also possible he has more abilities than we even know and maybe Gojo was aware of something like that because of his eyes yet due to the circumstances they fought under Sukuna was forced to play in such a way to maybe try and hold back Megumi even more.
My reading is that everything that's been slashed with cleave and dismantle has residuals of his CE on it. Then the arrow turns all of his residual cursed energy explosive. If Yuji wasn't completely shielded from the heat, he would have been burnt tf up. I don't know if infinity would be enough to prevent heat from getting to Gojo. If it does then Gojo is impervious to Kamino's explosion, if not then it would have been GG much sooner.
Theoretically it should since we've seen him blocking Jogo's flames, tough it is stated that Sukuna's are far more potent and the intricacies of how the technique works might not gell well with infinity.
@@delta2370 dawg can you read? Cleave and dismantle can hit Gojo as MS sure hit. As a consequence of that Gojo would have residuals of Sukuna's CE *on* him. During Kamino Sukuna makes his CE explosive and the heat from the flames is what causes detonation. The same CE that's on Gojo from the cleaves and dismantles... Like I said, *IF* Gojo's infinity prevents the heat of the flames from getting to him then he's impervious but *IF* the heat can get through he'll get burnt. I genuinely don't know where the confusion is coming from...
@@delta2370 *IF*, nowhere did I say it can, I'm simply stating that there is a win condition. Jjk fans might actually be the new age dragon ball fans. Y'all borderline illiterate
Him using a binding vow the first time probably wasn't just to break his domain, but to increase the power of his sure hits to make gojo use more energy on healing. I don't know, this shit basically got blocked by choso I don't think its one tapping gojo
It's really close now tbh imo, now that we found out Gojo changing his domain conditions did more restricting to Sukuna than what was portrayed, the fight is really interesting. The reason I believe 4 arm sukuna would just dom the fight is because of de but now it's like they're equal in refinement but now in skill as well, both Gojo & Sukuna had to change things around in their de for them to clash, it wasn't just Gojo as it seemed. It's close, if Gojo gets his domain off he really wins this time bc no Mahoraga, Purple can also damage sukuna, from his own words but in context as well. If Gojo directly shot it at sukuna it would be fatal for him. If Gojo comes back the fight will be even better than the first but I honestly hope he comes back to jump Sukuna. I've been saying we never got a Gojo x students jumping and I thought that was pretty wack for Gojo, if he loves sorcery so much the best way to come back is to fight with your talented & trained students who broke their limits. It would be a great way to bring him back but also continue the Yuji hype.
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Damn Gojo was right, sukuna couldn’t use his fire arrow simply because of the chanting of the conditions and the no dust to create the flames , so he quite literally couldn’t use it. I guess this doesn’t necessarily mean that he didn’t want to
The problem is when Sukuna expanded his domain to the maximum range, Gojo instantly lowered his domain to minimum range, thus making the barrier stronger, thus Sukuna had to instantly fuck with his domain range in order to break Gojo's domain, meaning Sukuna had to focus on breaking the domain rather than beating Gojo inside the domain. There was no time for him to pull out Furnace, and since Gojo's domain was still active he could use all of his Cursed Technique abilities, meaning if he chose to, he could teleport or use infinity to block it, Furnace is not making it past infinity because there is no sure hit while both domains are active Let's not forget that Gojo can still use Infinity manually while in his domain, which is why he even noted that Sukuna can use Domain Expansion AND Domain Amplification at the same time. It was necessary for Sukuna to do this as otherwise, with both domains active, Sukuna's normal attacks couldn't make it past Gojo's infinity since there was no sure hit, thus Sukuna had to use Amplification which made him unable to use normal Cleave and Dismantle beyond the slashes caused by the Domain Itself That's literally what Sukuna was saying too, Furnace requires some binding vows in the first place, just because they might be made in the Heian Era doesn't mean he can break them, and him having to constantly alter his domain with extra binding vows over and over again, in order to match Gojo's changes to his own domain and ensure a domain battle win, made him decide that using Furnace against Gojo was either impossible, or not worth it due to it being unable to guarantee a win Plus, if it didn't even instantly kill Choso, there's no way it's instantly killing Gojo, who is both more durable than Choso AND has better healing capabilities, as well as more defensive techniques against a domain or attacks within a domain, better speed/dodging feats, more CE reserves and better CE Efficiency, and could potentially even use Blue or Red to clash against it and mitigate damage, hell who knows since it's slow, he might even have time to unleash a chantless hollow purple against furnace. Sure this last bit could be considered head cannon, but so is Furnace being able to kill Gojo. It's something we've never seen therefore we just theorize what could have happened, but all of it is head cannon. Nobody can say "Sukuna could have won ez with Furnace or with his Heian Era domain"
well Gojo alluded to Sukuna being stronger. A gojo fan will literally have to say 'my go/at doesn't know what he's talking about. He's delusional. He's humble' to create workarounds to Gojo's clear statement.
@@zizu-lakaka You can't take that as literal fact though, just because a character said it. Yuta also said that Hakari on a roll is stronger than him which is factually not true as far as we have seen in the series up until now, so do we take Yuta's "clear statement" or the feats we have seen on screen? Maki also said that's not true, so do we take Maki's clear statement or Yuta's clear statement? Yuji also said he thinks Yuta could beat Sukuna, do we take Yuji's clear statement? Miwa also said Gojo is stronger than Sukuna when it comes to fighting within the Domain, do we take her clear statement? All that really matters at the end of the day is feats shown on screen, anyone can say "He could do much more if.." and this helps us theorize what could be, but at the end of the day us theorizing anything is just headcannon. Gojo said Sukuna is stronger and that is true from what we saw on screen. But it's also true that while he is stronger, Sukuna also didn't have a clear way to damage Gojo through infinity other than his domain, without Mahoraga. So nobody is being delusional or trying to cope. Or well, a lot of people are trying to cope, but that's both Gojo fans AND Sukuna fans. After all, Sukuna fans weren't happy when daddy Mahoraga saved his life twice, or when he had to come up with a new technique out of nowhere in order to offscreen Gojo. But here we are I wasn't attacking Sukuna or trying to ride Gojo, I'm just stating some facts that people don't really think about when they claim this or that.
@@AstroCS2 what Sukuna used to win is not part of the question, Gojo fans make it part of it. Gojo was as clear as possible to Geto, even Geto couldn't believe his arrogant friend could admit defeat. I don't have a problem with Gojo coming close to winning in a fight he later lost in the end. That's how fights should be written, not like Madara's dominance where there was no challenge since he was resurrected. But to then cope and say Gojo is stronger regardless, when the character himself has conceded isn't cope, it's wounded ego atp. Even if Gege gives us their fight at their full power, Gojo fans will still cope and say Gege doesn't know how strong Gojo his, he nerfed Gojo, he hates Gojo, yada yada yada lol. After 235, Sukuna fans waived their white flag in utter defeat, but after 236, gojo fans are so egoistical they refuse to give up. It's just funny atp 🙏
@@zizu-lakaka First of all, I am not saying Gojo is stronger. I am saying taht Sukuna would have nothing to damage Gojo through infinity except his domain, if not for Mahoraga. Battles in Shonen Anime are not linear. Sukuna is stronger than Gojo, but Gojo's kit hard counters Sukuna if not for Mahoraga, if you look at the battle excluding domains. Let's say there was some godlike sorcerer, way above anyone in power. Sukuna would definitely do way more damage and destruction than Gojo against said hypothetical person. But strictly speaking in Gojo vs Sukuna terms, Gojo's kit, as in, his CT, is a hard counter to Sukuna's slashes, because Sukuna's whole style is sending a lot of slashes that are hard to dodge, and causing a lot of cuts, while being able to oneshot weaker enemies (cut them in half, behead them, etc) since his slashes are invisible. Gojo's infinity hard counters that by making dodging irrelevant, and even Gojo's ability to survive said slashes by healing through them, is a counter. You can be stronger than someone and get countered by their kit, that's why Sukuna had to look for ways past infinity. Another example: Gojo's domain is more deadly than Sukuna, in the way that you can theoretically heal and survive Sukuna's domain for a few seconds, but if you are caught in Gojo's domain for even 1 millisecond, unless you have something to bail you out (Ally breaking the domain, or your own domain being popped) it is an instant loss due to the instant stun. So while Gojo's domain is more deadly in terms of how fast it can guarantee a win on the first hit, Sukuna's domain is more refined meaning it will win a Domain Clash /Tug of War. See my point? Just because something is stronger in raw stats, does not mean it cannot be countered by something that is technically weaker, it's all about counters in JJK after all. Gakuganji killed Yaga, I'm sure there are some people Yaga could kill that would kill Gakuganji. Yuji pre-shibuya was resistant to Mahito even though Mahito was technically stronger than him. Just a few other example. Sukuna is definitely stronger than Gojo, but Gojo has more hax/counters in his abilities. All I'm saying, and it's not that hard to see. Also, Sukuna fans definitely did not wave the white flag when Gojo had his fakeout win, nobody really believed Sukuna was done without seeing his actual dead body, we all knew some shit was gonna go down. We just all assumed that Kenjaku was gonna do some shit, instead of Sukuna figuring out some otherworldly dimensional slash from Mahoraga. (Which again, was learned from Mahoraga, saying Sukuna could learn it on his own without Mahoraga could be true, but it is at the end of the day just headcannon)
@@AstroCS2 the problem is that you don't take into account what gojo and sukuna said throughout the fight. Gojo litterally state that sukuna had less risky ways of destroying gojo domain, and by doing so sukuna wouldn't have needed to lower his domain range. Later, sukuna explain how limited he is in the fight because to ensure mahoraga adaptation isn't canceled, he has to only use 10 shadow and limit his use of DA, which was the only way he could match up with gojo in h2h despite infinity. Hell it is litterally the reason he gets hit by UV in the 5th domain. By limiting his use of DA to adapt mahoraga to unlimited void he took too much damages which led to him being late at using domain by ONLY 0.001 second. Another thing is that you misinterpret sukuna's words. He never said he couldn't manage to beat infinity. What he wanted was to TEAR through it. Domain don't fit the criteria since it straight up ignore infinity to inflict its sure hit effect. Basically, sukuna posed a challenge upon himself, which is quite in line with his personality and what he explain in his monologue around kashimo's death. Last thing. With what kind of binding vow and crazy thing he has down the past chapter while being worn down, how the heck do you believe sukuna wouldn't do better by being in his heian form. Todo litterally noted that he could jump mid-air like heavenly restricted user do. He speedblitzed kashimo who is said to have transcended human limit (even if gojo can travel distance faster than kashimo, kashimo probably has a way better reaction time due to his cursed technique, and anyway he is said to have transcended human limits by the narrator and still got merked by a nerfed heian sukuna. Everything point to sukuna winning against gojo if he goes for the kill. May it be by binding vow, winning all of the domain clashes or by finding a way to get gojo hit with a domain kamino
It makes sense why he held furnace back. If we think about it: What would be the point of getting the 10S & Marohaga, if you just kill your opponent before Marohaga adapts & makes your main/fav ability stronger?
I think the fire arrow takes multiple uses of cleave and dismantle to be charged, I don’t think he would’ve had it charged by the time of their first domain clash
Would you have to remember about the king of curses domain extension is that it is a domain extension so whenever he slashes or hits dojo in that domain it's a sure hit effect not his regular cursed technique therefore he wouldn't be able to use that version of fuga on him
Whenever is sukuna uses his fuga against itidori he cannot use it on Gojo because he had to keep changing the conditions of his own domain expansion making it smaller and bigger.
9:26 what you said here is directly wrong and goes against what it said in the manga you see the thing is is that Gojo is still powerful enough to take it on like everybody else we always forget the fact that Gojo was able to take his fingers and put it through sukunas heart
Now I want you to realize one thing about Gojo and this entire fight he could have one shot sukanya the entire time at the start of the match he got rid of his hands meaning not to use malevolent shrine therefore if go to were to just walk up to him he could just one shot him there
Throughout the entire fight sukuna can do anything to Gojo he was absolutely frightened that if purple were to be used he would have died we all like the glaze sukuna on how he was beating him but you got to realize go to still cares about Megumi
well as my friend perceives it sukuna just pulled the world slash out his ass when he was so weak. Earlier Gojo had the advantage having full RCT and cursed energy while sukuna was at the lowest of the low Gojo thought he won then he died before he even realized it so gojo think he cant because he believe he had world slash the whole time and sukuna made it seem effortless when he killed him so gojo doesn't have the context of what sukuna did when he was so weak he didn't know sukuna was learning the world slash since it just happened no context
but then Gojo was shown to smile after Sukuna praised him, so saying he didn't know about the WS is bs cope tbh. Gojo saying he isn't sure he can win against a 10S Sukuna after seeing what Sukuna could do with the 10S with only 2 months training just goes to show Gojo acknowledged Sukuna as stronger than him regardless. But that's hard for a gojo fan to swallow since he was given a spectacular send off by Gege making him put in work on Sukuna, so any gojo fan who is biased obv will never acknowledge Sukuna's simply stronger but that's okay. Since we'll never see full power HE Sukuna vs Gojo, the only deciding Factor is Gojo's glaze in 236. That's facts. That's cannon
I’m the biggest gojo glazer but for the support of heian sakuna it would be likely he would use his domain expansion to burn out gojos CT and clash with hand to hand until he wore him down gojo seemed to be the superior hand to hand but gojo had to endure more damage over time not to mention sakuna would be working at max output with both his extra arms and mouth just like the six eyes does for gojo so it would come out to a battle of endurance and if the max output of sakuna and his domain would just overwhelm gojos recovery speed but the six eyes seem to easily survive Maguma so it’s up in the air
Sukuna probably could use his "Fire" when Gojos first domain broke. The condition for it are that his "Cleave" and "Dismantle" are used for an unspecific amount and with "Malevolent Shrine" targeting all things inside with either one of them it should fullfill those criteria. Additionaly inside the domain his binding vow of only being able to use it against a single opponent is null and void and its likely that he has no need for both slashes to hit a single target. For why he didnt do it then and their i have two explaination. First his plan was all along to create the "World Slash" with "Mahoragas" help. Without his constant use of the wheel he would have won all 5 of the domain battle and its likely that he took a similar risk with the "Furnace". And second he was as Kusakabe put it well aware that he would face the entire Sorcerer society after this fight so its good to have an relatively unknown ace in his purpled sleeve.
Gojo saying that sukuna didn't go all out because sukuna didn't use his true form which does give him an advantage in close combat He didn't use chants or hand signs while gojo did He didn't use kamutoke he could have strike him with lighting after gojo lost the first DE clash He didn't use mahoraga and agito after gojo lost the first DE clash
people are saying that he wouldnt have time because why would Gojo let him charge it up. Are they forgetting that if Sukuna didn't have mahoraga, then he would probably start in his heian form. Meaning he would be able to fight h2h while using his other arms to charge fire arrow.
Its very simple Sukuna's slahed weren't really meeting the requirements necessary to access the flame arrow. Look at the Mahoraga fight for example, Sukuna was running through an entire town filled with people. And this time it is against one man with little to no granted destruction, even with his fight against Jogo he was running through a city with plenty of elements to utilize in his domain. Gege is willingly keeping the idea of who'd actually win vaguely ambiguous because of how he had the fight play out with sukuna leaning so hard into 10s onstead of just his technique. Because if all he actually has is dismantle and cleave along with the fire arrow plus his domain. He's genuinely know more versatile than Gojo, so I believe Gege had him take over Megumi's body to really make it nake sense for him to win. Even with his Heian form it's generally no different outside of an extra mouth and two more arms.
I think he realizes the amount of calculations that were in play that led to sukuna winning in the first place. Hes probably of idea that sukuna with prior knowledge couldve came up with another plan to be gojo or his uncertantiy of sukuna's heian era form which he probably not sure of how the specifics in that would go was always my interpretation. Also i feel like gojo saying the infinity stopping him from going all out could be interpreted that he didnt get to fight the real sukuna but a sukuna who had to be percise to even interact and fight gojo. Hes aware that real danger in sukuna is his slashes and his offense which isnt viable due to himself which led to sukuna having less freedom in a battle which simply could be interpreted as him holding back. Im tryna say that sukuna really couldnt attack gojo hand to hand while using slashes and having the furnace availaible to attack like he would with everyone else leading sukuna to use a different rout that is due to the ten shadows.
@@newberryanimation6213gojo himself said it are you delusional? 😂, we have to believe the narration, the manga itself, that’s what gives us the key to move forward in understanding. Gojo lost, gojo is weaker, he,himself,sukuna, said it, mind you the method sukuna used is mad unorthodox
@@michaelsky251 he has no argument. His hapiness in life revolves around slandering Sukuna cuz his go/at got no diffed by a single slash, leaving him seething. Now his go/at is back, I hope his source of hapiness switches back 😭
sukuna either didn’t collect enough dust or the amount of dust he collected was not enough to kill gojo. I’m of the belief that due to the narrator literally stating he didn’t have the freedom to use the flames he didn’t collect enough explosive particles to use the arrow before he changed the conditions of his domain and then he couldn’t use it anymore. Lets says he could have used it with the explosive particles he had collected so far. There were definitely far less particles then he collected against the crew in 258 so the explosion would have been far less stronger plus gojo having simple domain to lessen the potency of the explosion leads me to think the slashes could have very well been more effective for the situation and thats why sukuna opted to keep it sealed. Also to address your question of why gojo said he wasn’t sure if he would have won even if sukuna didn’t have ten shadows gojo doesn’t know all we know about sukuna. As far as gojo knew from jujutsu high telling him sukuna had extremely powerful flames that he didn’t use and he doesn’t know why and a true form that gojo was unaware of what buffs that would provide and what abilities transforming into the form would rid him of.
I just still think gojo would've won without the binding vow, Sukuna revealing furnace means nothing because he couldnt single target in his domain (where gojo had burnout) AND when he wasnt in the domain, gojo had infinity (meaning it wouldnt reach gojo). Sukunas ONLY route to beating gojo was the World Cutting slash. People be realistic.....
If sukuna wanted to just kill Gojo, then why didn't he use his true form from the start, he would have performed far better and would have won the battle in round 1 with the domain clashes tbh, the 3 interpretations for the "sukuna was holding back" all make reasonable sense and could all be valid. The least likely is that he thought that 20f meguna could beat him without the 10 shadows, this would make gojo seem kinda weak and i dont think this is what he meant. the second option is that he thought that 20f yujikuna would rock his shit, which i believe is the most likely option. and the last option is obviously that heainkuna would beat him, but i feel like that is overkill against gojo
15:25 Gojo was saying that because he didn’t know he was Sukunas toughest fight Sukuna afterwards corrects Gojo and it’s made clear either of them could die Sukuna literally had to permanently alter his strongest technique forever to kill Gojo That airport scene happens before Gojo even gets praised by Sukuna I hate the fact people keep overlooking this, if Sukuna had praised Gojo prior to the airport scene, that conversation with getou would’ve gone much differently
Point still stands. Mahoraga was not needed for gojos death, that much is proven in the domains. Mahoraga was only needed to actually make that slash.amd to do that he would need to adapt multiple times. The whole thing was sukuna stalling. Gojo was never the priority here, sorry
@@Owen-sx4jjCap. Even if sukuna shot off the arrow within the first domain clash, it would have most likely not been enough to kill gojo. As he was still at full health and would most likely RCT from it. Gojo ain’t Choso and he’s far more durable. Mahoraga was Sukuna’s ONLY sure way of winning that fight which is why he chose to go that route.
He was only able to use the flame arrow against jogo so quickly because sukuka gathers heat and cursed energy form his surroundings to form the flame arrow and jogo provided plenty of that for sukuna to use without having to do much prep
Nah he used cleave and dismantle on him. Chapter 111 he dismantled Jogo’s head when he bowed down to him, this was before killing the girl. And then chapter 115 he cleaves Jogo’s arms when he tries to shoot flames at him. Those met the requirements and let him use flame arrow since it’s stated in 259 that he needs to use dismantle and cleave in order to use the flames. He then talked Jogo into standing still so he didn’t need to use domain for a sure hit cus Jogo agreed to stand there and have a fire battle.
@@jennilynmalate7459 its not hard to prove just think about it normally for sukuna to use the flame arrow he uses cleave and dismantle to destroy the surrounding area but more importantly to lace the area with super heated cursed energy he did this against mahoraga and last chapter against yuji but he did none of this against jogo yet was still able to use the flame arrow its obviously because jogo met those conditions for him jogo already super heated the area by using maximum meteor
@@jennilynmalate7459 its a fact that just simply using cleave and dismantle on those girls would not be enough to use flame arrow he also needs super heated cursed energy in his surroundings
@@yutaoGOATsu236 That’s false tho, it’s literally stated in chapter 259 that he needs to use cleave and dismantle first to use flame arrow. Nowhere is it stated that he needs heat to create flame arrow, it states that he baths whatever he cuts in his CE with cleave and diamantle, after that he’s able to use flame arrow. The reason he was able to use it outside his domain against Jogo is because Jogo agreed to stand there and have a fire battle with him. Its literally shown in the manga that Sukuna used cleave and dismantle on Jogo in their fight before he uses flame arrow. You’re blatantly leaving out the part where they say he can use flame arrow outside his domain in 1v1 situations. And to prove that cleave and dismantle was the reason he could do flame arrow, if Sukuna used the surrounding heat then that would mean the surrounding area would have the same CE as the flame arrow he fired at Jogo. If this were the case, then when Sukuna hit Jogo with fire arrow, more than Jogo would’ve caught fire because flame arrow would’ve caused everything in the vicinity that had the same CE as it to burn but that didn’t happen, ONLY Jogo was on fire and none of the flames that were already around from his max meteor was changed so i don’t see how you say he used the surrounding heat and flames when they were never shown to be used or changed, just pure headcannon.
i like your reasoning i believe the fight would still be hard but if sukuna uses the flames and gojo isnt that 100% he dies maybe even at 100 cause he will be slashed before it but sukuna cant win in this scenario without his domain
Gojo's uncertainty stems from the domain clashes imo, he was losing the clashes and even Gojo noted the risky plays by Sukuna. He was fighting rather passively in order to proceed with the adaptation, meaning he was taking on damage more than necessary and not fighting as aggressively as he could, it was only after all of the unlimited voids that Gojo turned the tides in his favor, it's possible had Sukuna fought with full aggression that he could have won with the first two domain clashes imo.
Yes at the third clash had sukuna closed his domain. The next one would kill gojo. Either he dies trying to cast a other or his rct dies first. 3 domains and it's over. Also the convenient domain shrink also saved gojo.
9:10 Teleportation is irrelevant Because it’s so slow, gojo would’ve just run out of the domain by the time the arrow was ready to be shot or gojos CT would’ve been replenished by the time the arrow was shot which would make arrow useless due to infinity
It makes no sense for Sukuna to not be able to use Furnace against Gojo because the range of his domain was compressed, he could’ve just extended the range once Gojo’s domain broke
@guilha1506 there's is more to the furnace sukuna talks about how it's slow and has low range. Gojo would have just dogged it which is why sukuna probably didn't use it
I think Gege's intent there was to say that Sukuna couldn't use it period in the Gojo fight For some reason they didn't inform Gojo of Sukuna's domain being barrier less and having a large range, while Sukuna had all the information on Gojo's domain and how to counter it.
@@parmar__12 he experimented again and again and then figured out how to draw domain clashes and also he won't be aware of how highly skilled Sukuna can be with binding vows
He didn’t say he could he said he didn’t know. And it’s not heian era sukuna. It’s sukuna right now with all the knowledge of his domain and technique. Out of story reason gege wanted to make sure that the cast was fighting an equally strong version of Sukuna that Gojo did. In story reason, Gojo just doesn’t know what Sukuna has in his bag at the time.
@@rexlapis1075 I'd say the infinity on argument is 50/50 cause it's shown/explained in earlier chaps that infinity can be strained depending on how strong an attack is. Best example is probably the Jogo/Hanami train fight. Chap 85. Gojo says. "If you try to neutralize my technique with your amplification then I'll counter by strengthening my cursed technique." meaning that infinity when in contact with something put's strain on it, and whereas furnace is multitudes stronger than what anything we've seen and Sukuna having a far higher cursed pool to work with. Even being way more than Yuta which is double what Gojo has a high chance of overstressing infinity and one tapping. Also Add in the hand signs with the extra two hand and the chants to further amp output, and we don't know if it's a sure hit effect in the domain either. All we know is it's essentially a nuke requiring cleave and dismantle to land first.
@@Galaxyverse9 directly after a domain clash infinity is turned off and so Gojo was spamming reverse curse to heal himself so therefore he would get hit by Fuga directly after slashed. Also, Gojo could not take Fuga because quite literally he will not have the time to heal similar to mahoraga who also has the capability to heal.
Gojo would have died due to mahoraga. Since its regeneration was at least close to instant (It could just be the anime). And if mahoraga can't regenerate it then gojo rct should not be fast enough to counter it. But gojo can make a binding vow to survive but his chances of winning would have been on the lower end. Since the binding vow should be very costly. Since gojo is not experienced with binding vows like Sukuna is.
Mahoraga had 0 regeneration to Furnace because it had 0 adaptation to it, Sukuna used it while Mahoraga was regenerating from Cleaves and Dismantles in Malevolent Shrine. Gojo acted the whole time as if 1 Red would kill Mahoraga in one shot with 0 adaptation, and honestly after seeing him make Mahoraga throw up with one punch before Mahoraga adapted to infinity whatsoever (After it only adapted to his domain when Sukuna passed out after Gojo's first black flash) i don't doubt it. Of course, Furnace is stronger than Red, but let's not act as if Mahoraga is on par with Gojo. Just because an attack can one shot Mahoraga doesn't mean it can one shot Gojo. Mahoraga doesn't heal with RCT after all, it adapts to specific attacks and gets immunity from said attacks, and the more adaptation it has the faster it will heal from those attacks. We clearly saw Mahoraga instantly healed from being disintegrated by Malevolent Shrine, but didn't recover from the same level of disintegration caused by Furnace. It also did not recover from being disintegrated by Unlimited Hollow Purple, even though it was adapted to blue, infinity, and somewhat to Red, as well as to Gojo's CE in general since it took his black flashes. That's enough proof that Mahoraga just heals from attacks it was adapted to, but it can't instantly regenerate from attacks that hit it the first time that it has no adaptation for.
Bruh forget this how in the blue fuck can ino and miwa tank malevolent shrines sure hit of cleave and dismantle with simple domain. Gojos got straight up destroyed instantly and it’s clearly stated that his domain expansion is a full power after all the binding vows Sukuna made to cast his domain expansion in a weakened state. So Gojos simple domain is weaker than miwa and inos? Nah that’s some next level bs
@@Owen-sx4jj if we already know that gojo is the superior close range fighter what makes you think that sukuna would be able to cast a domain while they are fighting and what makes you think that gojo wouldnt master the capacity to make an open barrier or since we literally saw gojo expand his domain above outside of sukuna and then shrink it to the side of a basketball during a fight that he didnt know that sukuna had an open domain then it would mean that with the knowledge of sukuna's open domain gojo could create a close domain with the same radius that sukuna has which means that sukuna woulndnt have the advantage of breaking the outside of gojo's domain in the fight.
@@lordaddison5690 gojo can never "master the capacity" to use an open domain. Your domain is given to you as it is so stop the appeal to possibility. Gojo cannot cover the same radius as sukuna's domain. It will most likely get too thin and break. Open domains are just superior. Sukuna only needed to expand his domain just outside gojos each time, he never tried opening it to cover the whole city like shibuya.
@@Owen-sx4jj in the fight sukuna says "this time I will use a close domain" and have mahoraga adapt to his infinity. That was right gojo bled from the nose trying to use his domain. You are heaviliy misinformed if you think that open domain comes to you as it is buddy. It's your technique that comes to use as it is not the circumstances of your domain. Plus it is been written many times in the manga that sukuna requires a binding vow to make that open domain. And you cant claim that sukuna would simply make a bigger domain if gojo would expand his since we already know that making a closed domain is easier than making a open domain as a matter of fact an open domain is considered divine meaning that gojo would have an easier time expanding his domain than sukuna would. Also if you watch the fight closely sukuna never "just" expanded his domain outside of gojo since we literally saw gojo expanding his domain in the battle so why didnt sukuna continue to expand his so that gojo wouldnt be able to enveleop sukuna's domain? Let me tell you why. its because he couldnt. I am telling you things that gojo has already done im not adding anything extra the part that you are missing is that gojo did it with lack of preparation, gojo did it mid battle meaning that with more information his adaptation would have been far more effective.
As I said before Gojo was wrong. Sukuna went all out against. Gojo applied way to much pressure on Sukuna so much so that he permanently nerfed himself and couldn't use his ultimate attack If Sukuna didn't have 10S and knowledge of Gojo from being inside Yuji, Megumi, and Intel from Kenjaku, Gojo would have beaten him. You left out the fact Sukuna needs his domain to destroy the area to create the conditions to use furnace so no at any point he couldn't have used it against Gojo. That binding vow has been established.
Untrue. As soon as they both cast their domains. Each character would know what they are dealing with and the fight would proceed the same way. Sukuna held back, don't make this hard for yourself.
The fight was never complicated people just don’t understand how to scale 💀 I’ll make this simple Name me something besides domain and da that bypass limitless ? Since GoJo death literally nothing has been shown So this means sakuan only has 2 option domain or fist fighting Now explain to me why Gojo has to have a domain clash with sakuan ? He doesn’t it’s a logical fallacy people use the only reason it wasn’t shown gojo not doing it is because it’s not entertaining to the reader if GoJo would just teleport all around launching hallow purples over and over and not engaging in combat aka gorilla warfare tactics which he did against toji so let’s not do this bs of saying it isn’t in gojo character. Gojo doesn’t half to engage in a domain clash which takes away Sakuna only option of really winning the fight Sakuna with his 4 arms in hand to hand could be a problem but the thing is , it’s been repeatedly shown that characters r able to fight hand to hand with him and have even started to do damage against him , so the argument of his 4 arms making it harder against is a logical fallacy , I can agree to a extent that it would probably give problem, but GoJo was fighting on par with a domain amp Sakuna 💀which means all his stats where buffed and gojo was shown to be = to that version of Sakuna implying that he’s stronger and faster then him and while In his own domain he speed blitz him , gojo is by far superior in hand to hand combat and with having his ct sakuan would just be screwed in the hand to hand so it’s not even a argument GoJo literally had to die from a plot convince and people think sakuan is stronger because of so called statements ? When feats literally contradict the statement 💀💀 I wanna add proper context for people who don’t like to read correctly , sakuan was holding back not by choice , GoJo defensive was so superior to sakuan offense that he was literally forced to be defensive cause he couldn’t do nothing else Boxing for example there r fighters who r better then the other , but because of certain styles your forced in positions where u can’t go all out Deontae wilder vs fury is an example of this in the 2nd fight ; fury came forward forcing Deonte backwards which massively reduced his power . This is the same concept in the GoJo fight , people run with statements at face value and it’s completely ignorant , GoJo said why is he holding back ever bother to think GoJo was a making a assumption which could easily be wrong ? Guess that didn’t hit anyone’s Brain huh ? 🙄 Also sakuan has to use cleave and dismantle , to cook up furnace it’s not just uses dismantle and he gets it , if u guys go back snd read the fight the only time these conditions where met , is the first fight in which skauan was in GoJo simple domain , from there they engaged in close range combat ,the only way sakuan would get the shot off is if he literally retreated but GoJo wasn’t allowing that they fought at close range not allowing sakuan time to actually do it Also we have seen fuga 3 times , and every time it had build up , he has to say box open then he has to do the stuff with his hand this is what we call time being wasted aka seconds implying that sakuan didn’t have time to use it Its been very obvious from the start GoJo is stronger/ the strongest 💀 Statements r cool and all but at the end of the day with no evidence/ feats it’s baseless When u argue or power scale It goes feats , statements, then narritve , then author intent in terms of importance Until sakuan can do a ct outside of the 2 I listed above ( I’m excluding world slash cause It should be common sense that version of sakuan will win ) there’s no argument that he beats gojo
Why is this complicated y’all it was basically stated sukuna would win😭🤦♂️ am I the only one that read 236 and used clues to see sukuna wasn’t going all out 😔 I truly must the the exception, the honored individual one may say. Imo anything after really don’t matter as long as sukuna don’t contradict gojo statements Also remember that gojo only learned how to alter his shape of his domain due to prism realm. So beginning of the series should still lose to heian sukuna.
Ok but when is sukuna gona go all out? He's literally on his last legs wounded, exhausted. It seems to me he did go all out, cause hes almost out of gas as we speak..
You are misinterpreting it tho, his "not going all out" was him just not using his Heian era form to fully heal himself against Gojo (and he would have ended up needing to use it if it wasnt for the sneak attack he got on Gojo). in an arguement about Gojo vs Heian era form Sukuna, that doesnt matter cuz he wont have that option.
Honestly, Gege should have said Furnace was the shirne's Maximum technique and moved on. It would have been less confused then. I get why he decided to explain it, it was the same with the binding vow Sukuna made to kill Gojo and Miyua made something similar against Kenjaku but people won't be complaining if he hadn't made such a mystery over a simple techinique.
I think without 10s and maho showing sukuna how to cut through infinity, gojo wins even against heian kuna. Unless his meat riders want to make things up for sukuna like gege.
You are the one making things up. Sukuna was stalling for Mahoraga which is why he didn't close the domain on gojo and was taking riskier options. Using mahoraga was risky. Without maho, gojo dies in 3 domain clashes max. Let's not forget he also had the convenient domain shrink tech. Kusakabe, uraume and Gojo himself says gojo loses. They all knew it would probably happen.
Is it even possible for you guys to have normal discussions without calling each other meat rider or accusing each other of making stuff up? All i've seen these past few months is people insulting each other, and pushing their agendas. There is barely any normal discourse.
Correction: the binding vow was made in the heian era AND sukuna only has to use cleave and dismantle once on the target
We actually don’t know if he has to use it once it isn’t stated. But it’s implied that the binding bow was made in the heian era that was common sense
@@ezednReread chapter 259
@@atm8733 didnt think sukunas technique could get anymore cooler he’s literally cooking niggas
No. It's never stated once. Gege brought real scientists to fact check the manga. The explosion is a side effect caused when dismantle and cleave chops buildings to fine debri which was absent when he used his domain against gojo and the first fingerer. This debri is seen in the Yuji vs sukuna domain expansion. The debri ( combustible particle) will combust as a whole cause a dust explosion.
@@denji3397 Bro then how did sukuna use it against jogo?
its all fun and games until gojo starts using binding vows
btw akin means "of the same kin" meaning "alike" or "the same as"
Bro the fact that we speak English and people don’t know that
For sukuna to use the flame arrow at the size he did this chapter he has to destroy a massive area to build up heat and set the charges for the chain reaction if sukuna had expanded his domain that large against gojo in the first domain clash he wouldnt have been able to overpower gojo domain so quickly because the larger the domain the less concentrated his slashes are and thus a lower output he might not have even won that clash
Also he would have to dedicate alot of focus to destroying the city dividing the ouptut even further
If thats the case, Gojo can run away. He couldn’t damage Gojo enough for him to sit there and eat a fire arrow explosion to the face. You’re insinuating Gojo is going to sit there while he CHARGES that attack. He would need to cripple Gojo.
@@samuelreid4529 no i agree gojo could escape if sukuna tries to go for a flame arrow
@@yutaoGOATsu236 Oh, well, yeah. How the hell could he have one in Yuji body? I see him winning 10/10 in Megumi body but not really Yuji.
@@samuelreid4529 I disagree. The usage of the fire arrow isnt slow because of the binding vow in place and as he sends the arrow the entire radius of the domain will explode so gojo at bare minimum is taking the explosion damage. The most he can do is defend with as much ce as possible which if its a full size sukuna domain hed die from it.
However I think the insufficiency sukuna was talking about is in correlation to the size of the domain so like gojo would still get hit by the arrow or explosion but the damage wont be as much since its smaller
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Satoru said that because he didn't know if he could be him without ten Shadows because he didn't knew about Sukuna ultimate attack and because he never fought Sukuna without the 10 Shadows, Satoru isn't the narrator who knows all things about JJK.
he has the six eyes of course he knows about furnace
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People be taking quotes to seriously
Like how people say mihawk beats anyone with a sword in their prime
@@animationstudiosa zoro fans
Lmaooo this guy doesn’t know what akin means. Fucking smooth brain
Correction: Sukuna was the challenger, he wouldn't be able to get off fire arrow until he permanently got rid of Gojo's domain, and even then Gojo was piecing sukuna up in his own domain while using rct. However if Sukuna got hit even once by Gojo's domain, then it's over with.
Sukuna loses without 10s, because he'd start the fight expanding his domain to it's maximum, which would destroy Gojo's first domain, but Gojo would be piecing up sukuna not giving him time to use fire arrow and his technique would be healed before sukuna gets the chance to activate fire arrow, and he'd Teleport outside sukuna's domain range, and if Sukuna attempt to follow then he's finished cuz Gojo's domain 1 taps since it's inf stun.
Then there's "ok what if sukuna doesn't expand his range" then his fire arrow would lose significant firepower, and it'd be even easier for Gojo to dodge since Gojo isn't trapped with sukuna, instead sukuna is trapped with Gojo, and sukuna would have to attempt to cut off Gojo's exit to pressure him as much as possible, while simultaniuosly finding an openning to use fire arrow, which he wouldn't have since Gojo would leave the domain before then, and it'd end up just like the manga. Sukuna trapped in infinite void. (if the domain range is lowered then Gojo has an easier chance of escaping, and sukuna would have to be the one to keep gojo in his domain since Gojo has a variety of anti domain techniques, but since sukuna wouldn't be able to rely on his domain to pressure Gojo into staying inside of it, then that means sukuna would have to take that action, which means he wouldn't be able to use fire arrow)
Arguing so ferevently, using headcannons, for a person who has conceded a fight is....iono man 😔
@@zizu-lakaka Apologies, I did not intend to make an argument, but instead shed light on how I believed it would play out from my current observation on how the battle occurred in the current story.
Gojo loses hard if sukuna was going for the kill and not for adaptation in the domains. Plus Gojo was spent at the 2nd domain already. Let's also bring up the fact that he conveniently had the shrink tech. Gojo would last 3 domains max because either sukuna closes his domain on the second clash and gojo dies trying to cast another one or rct fails him and he gets chopped. No mahoraga needed
Mahoraga Was for the slash and not to win. Da and de exist so why would "needed" be a thing rather than just more options. It's common sense. If sukuna kileed him in the domains then "needed" isn't the word. Understand that killing gojo wasn't the primary objective.
*I doubt Flame Arrow would be that useful since not only did it not instantly kill Choso or shatter his blood barrier but the charge time is to long to actually use in combat which explains why Sukuna only uses it on Stationary Targets since by the time its read Gojo would already be gone and out of range which is why Sukuna chose to fight Gojo in Malevolent Shrine rather than using it*
*Not to mention Gojo could just block this with Simple Domain or Falling Blossom Emotion and since Flame Arrow seems to be just a bunch of tiny Dismantle's and Cleave's Gojo's Simple Domain wouldn't shatter from Flame Arrow since It lasted atleast 3 mins against Malevolent Shrine which literally spawns hundreds of slashes a second*
*As to why Gojo said he would lose to Non Ten Shadows Sukuna, instinctively I'd say PLOT but if you want a more in verse reason, from what I've seen its mainly Gojo THEORIZING Sukuna's Strength since he doesn't actually know Sukuna's full kit or i just call that scene "Fear of the Unknown" , its also directly debunked Pages later when Sukuan said he needed Ten Shadows to win*
You can’t read shit, sukuna never once stated he needed 10 shadows to win
Give me page/chapter for sukuna saying he needs ten shadows I need it badly 😫
He can’t, because it never happened
Sukuna did not need ten shadows to win nor is it stated.
Given the fact he said he wouldn't get past Infinity, said he was Gambling his life and was nervous he'd Beat Gojo with Ten Shadows, His Heian Form and the World Slash clearly without it he loses. Oh and he Screaming at Mahoraga to hurry up and get past Infinity and it shows an exclamation mark showing that he's SCREAMING at Mahoraga showing how he was afraid he would win
one thing I just find odd is people asking how Gojo vs Heian era (so the one during heian era) Sukuna, who would win? like its obvious that Sukuna would have won that fight, just by seeing the manga fight. Sukuna after destroying first domain would fight Gojo while having 4 arms, his CT, and 2 cursed tools, while gojo would be burned out.
It’s not obvious because sukuna wouldn’t have any bail out cards or ways to bypass infinity, remember he needed mahoraga to figure out how to by pass it as well as needing megumis soul to tank infinite void.
@@JubWhere except we know both will use their domain expansions, we know Sukunas will destroy Gojos, meaning Gojo will lose his technique.
Then we see that during the first clash, Sukuna while having fun and buying time for mahoraga to adapt is about equal to technique less Gojo. And Sukuna also didn't use his technique, and was in a weaker body.
Meaning If you think Gojo would be able to beat Sukuna that tried, that uses his technique, that has a stronger body, that has 2 CT, and Chants. Then you may need to reread the manga.
@@palmtv3538 why on earth would you think sukuna wasnt trying in their fight. There was legit a point where the narrator said it was the first time he had felt nervous in a battle in 1k years
@@JubWhere did you even read the fight. Sukuna felt nervous after Gojo had hit 4 black flashes and both had lost their domains. If you read the first domain clashes Sukuna wasn't nervous, cause all he wanted was Mahoraga to adapt, not defeat Gojo. We even see that Sukuna plan was to just make Gojo overuse domain expansion, everything that happened in that fight Sukuna had kinda a plan for. Because if he wanted to defeat Gojo, then he wouldn't have been in Megumi form, and he would have summoned mahiraga and agito when he won the first domain clash.
@@palmtv3538what are you even saying
Sukuna made those furnace binding vows in the Heian era not in the moment. If you look it had the same effect in shibuya. Everything in the domain got turned to dust remember. That’s what yuji reawakened too an empty crater in the same way as what he’s in right now. That also explains why he was able to use furnace on jogo because it was a single target so it followed his binding vow. Both aspects of the vow were shown previously in the story.
Akin just means similar
well sukuna can use domain adaptation. Its not like he cant hit gojo without me. If he really wanted to he could go 4 arms and box fr
And get beat up. The 4 arms aren't raising his h2h that much. Gojo is far better at it.
@@diamantemrobinson Thats a misconception. Gojo isnt better at h2h they are relative. If you look back at the fight the only times gojo had an upper hand was.
A: Black flash amped
B: Sukuna cant touch him because his domain amplifcation isnt up (Everytime the wheel is black is when he uses it)
Stupid never was sukuna doing good agimst gojo he got his ass beat the entire time stfu@@ap_dreezy3019
@@ap_dreezy3019he was beating him with rct up and there a multiple times where gojo is clearly superior in h2h
@@flqff7067 no, there are time were he surprised sukuna with his technique to get advantage in h2h, but at the start of the fight when sukuna is using DA+h2h against gojo they are quite equals and gojo even spam blue to get advantages lol.
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Sukuna and Gojo are like Zoro and Sanji.
They are rivals but not equals on the battlefield.1 is a king while the other is a Prince.
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Lol Zoro won't struggle this much with that bum
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@@parmar__12Sanji haters travel fandoms just to hate on Sanji. That’s dedication.
@@BeastBoy557 lmao it's literally the opposite case here 🤣
I think the reason is because of Infinity along with Gojo maybe noticing some of Sukuna's character.
Had he fought a Heien Era Sukuna without like the Megumi Conditions and such he would have fought more optimally and if Infinity wasn't this power that pushed everything away from Gojo then physically Having 4 Arms would just mean Sukuna would put the hands on Gojo also he has 2 Mouths and could chant, use his Slashes, and so many other abilities.
It's also possible he has more abilities than we even know and maybe Gojo was aware of something like that because of his eyes yet due to the circumstances they fought under Sukuna was forced to play in such a way to maybe try and hold back Megumi even more.
"Birthing scalding (...) shockwaves". Birthing as in "creating".
So, it's making the shockwaves.
My reading is that everything that's been slashed with cleave and dismantle has residuals of his CE on it. Then the arrow turns all of his residual cursed energy explosive. If Yuji wasn't completely shielded from the heat, he would have been burnt tf up. I don't know if infinity would be enough to prevent heat from getting to Gojo. If it does then Gojo is impervious to Kamino's explosion, if not then it would have been GG much sooner.
Theoretically it should since we've seen him blocking Jogo's flames, tough it is stated that Sukuna's are far more potent and the intricacies of how the technique works might not gell well with infinity.
What about the flames implies that they might be able to get through infinity.
@@delta2370 dawg can you read? Cleave and dismantle can hit Gojo as MS sure hit. As a consequence of that Gojo would have residuals of Sukuna's CE *on* him. During Kamino Sukuna makes his CE explosive and the heat from the flames is what causes detonation. The same CE that's on Gojo from the cleaves and dismantles... Like I said, *IF* Gojo's infinity prevents the heat of the flames from getting to him then he's impervious but *IF* the heat can get through he'll get burnt. I genuinely don't know where the confusion is coming from...
@@dariuslegacy3406 why would the heat be able to get through. There’s nothing implying that.
@@delta2370 *IF*, nowhere did I say it can, I'm simply stating that there is a win condition. Jjk fans might actually be the new age dragon ball fans. Y'all borderline illiterate
Him using a binding vow the first time probably wasn't just to break his domain, but to increase the power of his sure hits to make gojo use more energy on healing. I don't know, this shit basically got blocked by choso I don't think its one tapping gojo
There is no way Gojo can survive a vacum nuke explosion. He is getting one tapped no question
Should be at least relative to the unlimited hollow purple at sukunas full power considering the both one-shot mahoraga
He did not use bindin vow in first domain. Was not stated. Sukuna only stated using bindin vows after 2nd domain clash
Choso did die to binding vow which is possible
It's really close now tbh imo, now that we found out Gojo changing his domain conditions did more restricting to Sukuna than what was portrayed, the fight is really interesting. The reason I believe 4 arm sukuna would just dom the fight is because of de but now it's like they're equal in refinement but now in skill as well, both Gojo & Sukuna had to change things around in their de for them to clash, it wasn't just Gojo as it seemed. It's close, if Gojo gets his domain off he really wins this time bc no Mahoraga, Purple can also damage sukuna, from his own words but in context as well. If Gojo directly shot it at sukuna it would be fatal for him. If Gojo comes back the fight will be even better than the first but I honestly hope he comes back to jump Sukuna. I've been saying we never got a Gojo x students jumping and I thought that was pretty wack for Gojo, if he loves sorcery so much the best way to come back is to fight with your talented & trained students who broke their limits. It would be a great way to bring him back but also continue the Yuji hype.
Akin usually means similar, or alike. Break it down like A kin, kin is a family relation. Think of it as saying something is in the same family as something else
Damn Gojo was right, sukuna couldn’t use his fire arrow simply because of the chanting of the conditions and the no dust to create the flames , so he quite literally couldn’t use it. I guess this doesn’t necessarily mean that he didn’t want to
a·kin it means similar too something else, alike or same as
The problem is when Sukuna expanded his domain to the maximum range, Gojo instantly lowered his domain to minimum range, thus making the barrier stronger, thus Sukuna had to instantly fuck with his domain range in order to break Gojo's domain, meaning Sukuna had to focus on breaking the domain rather than beating Gojo inside the domain. There was no time for him to pull out Furnace, and since Gojo's domain was still active he could use all of his Cursed Technique abilities, meaning if he chose to, he could teleport or use infinity to block it, Furnace is not making it past infinity because there is no sure hit while both domains are active
Let's not forget that Gojo can still use Infinity manually while in his domain, which is why he even noted that Sukuna can use Domain Expansion AND Domain Amplification at the same time. It was necessary for Sukuna to do this as otherwise, with both domains active, Sukuna's normal attacks couldn't make it past Gojo's infinity since there was no sure hit, thus Sukuna had to use Amplification which made him unable to use normal Cleave and Dismantle beyond the slashes caused by the Domain Itself
That's literally what Sukuna was saying too, Furnace requires some binding vows in the first place, just because they might be made in the Heian Era doesn't mean he can break them, and him having to constantly alter his domain with extra binding vows over and over again, in order to match Gojo's changes to his own domain and ensure a domain battle win, made him decide that using Furnace against Gojo was either impossible, or not worth it due to it being unable to guarantee a win
Plus, if it didn't even instantly kill Choso, there's no way it's instantly killing Gojo, who is both more durable than Choso AND has better healing capabilities, as well as more defensive techniques against a domain or attacks within a domain, better speed/dodging feats, more CE reserves and better CE Efficiency, and could potentially even use Blue or Red to clash against it and mitigate damage, hell who knows since it's slow, he might even have time to unleash a chantless hollow purple against furnace.
Sure this last bit could be considered head cannon, but so is Furnace being able to kill Gojo. It's something we've never seen therefore we just theorize what could have happened, but all of it is head cannon. Nobody can say "Sukuna could have won ez with Furnace or with his Heian Era domain"
well Gojo alluded to Sukuna being stronger. A gojo fan will literally have to say 'my go/at doesn't know what he's talking about. He's delusional. He's humble' to create workarounds to Gojo's clear statement.
@@zizu-lakaka You can't take that as literal fact though, just because a character said it. Yuta also said that Hakari on a roll is stronger than him which is factually not true as far as we have seen in the series up until now, so do we take Yuta's "clear statement" or the feats we have seen on screen?
Maki also said that's not true, so do we take Maki's clear statement or Yuta's clear statement?
Yuji also said he thinks Yuta could beat Sukuna, do we take Yuji's clear statement?
Miwa also said Gojo is stronger than Sukuna when it comes to fighting within the Domain, do we take her clear statement?
All that really matters at the end of the day is feats shown on screen, anyone can say "He could do much more if.." and this helps us theorize what could be, but at the end of the day us theorizing anything is just headcannon.
Gojo said Sukuna is stronger and that is true from what we saw on screen. But it's also true that while he is stronger, Sukuna also didn't have a clear way to damage Gojo through infinity other than his domain, without Mahoraga. So nobody is being delusional or trying to cope. Or well, a lot of people are trying to cope, but that's both Gojo fans AND Sukuna fans. After all, Sukuna fans weren't happy when daddy Mahoraga saved his life twice, or when he had to come up with a new technique out of nowhere in order to offscreen Gojo. But here we are
I wasn't attacking Sukuna or trying to ride Gojo, I'm just stating some facts that people don't really think about when they claim this or that.
@@AstroCS2 what Sukuna used to win is not part of the question, Gojo fans make it part of it. Gojo was as clear as possible to Geto, even Geto couldn't believe his arrogant friend could admit defeat. I don't have a problem with Gojo coming close to winning in a fight he later lost in the end. That's how fights should be written, not like Madara's dominance where there was no challenge since he was resurrected.
But to then cope and say Gojo is stronger regardless, when the character himself has conceded isn't cope, it's wounded ego atp. Even if Gege gives us their fight at their full power, Gojo fans will still cope and say Gege doesn't know how strong Gojo his, he nerfed Gojo, he hates Gojo, yada yada yada lol.
After 235, Sukuna fans waived their white flag in utter defeat, but after 236, gojo fans are so egoistical they refuse to give up. It's just funny atp 🙏
@@zizu-lakaka First of all, I am not saying Gojo is stronger. I am saying taht Sukuna would have nothing to damage Gojo through infinity except his domain, if not for Mahoraga.
Battles in Shonen Anime are not linear. Sukuna is stronger than Gojo, but Gojo's kit hard counters Sukuna if not for Mahoraga, if you look at the battle excluding domains.
Let's say there was some godlike sorcerer, way above anyone in power. Sukuna would definitely do way more damage and destruction than Gojo against said hypothetical person. But strictly speaking in Gojo vs Sukuna terms, Gojo's kit, as in, his CT, is a hard counter to Sukuna's slashes, because Sukuna's whole style is sending a lot of slashes that are hard to dodge, and causing a lot of cuts, while being able to oneshot weaker enemies (cut them in half, behead them, etc) since his slashes are invisible.
Gojo's infinity hard counters that by making dodging irrelevant, and even Gojo's ability to survive said slashes by healing through them, is a counter.
You can be stronger than someone and get countered by their kit, that's why Sukuna had to look for ways past infinity.
Another example: Gojo's domain is more deadly than Sukuna, in the way that you can theoretically heal and survive Sukuna's domain for a few seconds, but if you are caught in Gojo's domain for even 1 millisecond, unless you have something to bail you out (Ally breaking the domain, or your own domain being popped) it is an instant loss due to the instant stun.
So while Gojo's domain is more deadly in terms of how fast it can guarantee a win on the first hit, Sukuna's domain is more refined meaning it will win a Domain Clash /Tug of War.
See my point? Just because something is stronger in raw stats, does not mean it cannot be countered by something that is technically weaker, it's all about counters in JJK after all. Gakuganji killed Yaga, I'm sure there are some people Yaga could kill that would kill Gakuganji. Yuji pre-shibuya was resistant to Mahito even though Mahito was technically stronger than him. Just a few other example.
Sukuna is definitely stronger than Gojo, but Gojo has more hax/counters in his abilities. All I'm saying, and it's not that hard to see.
Also, Sukuna fans definitely did not wave the white flag when Gojo had his fakeout win, nobody really believed Sukuna was done without seeing his actual dead body, we all knew some shit was gonna go down. We just all assumed that Kenjaku was gonna do some shit, instead of Sukuna figuring out some otherworldly dimensional slash from Mahoraga. (Which again, was learned from Mahoraga, saying Sukuna could learn it on his own without Mahoraga could be true, but it is at the end of the day just headcannon)
@@AstroCS2 the problem is that you don't take into account what gojo and sukuna said throughout the fight. Gojo litterally state that sukuna had less risky ways of destroying gojo domain, and by doing so sukuna wouldn't have needed to lower his domain range.
Later, sukuna explain how limited he is in the fight because to ensure mahoraga adaptation isn't canceled, he has to only use 10 shadow and limit his use of DA, which was the only way he could match up with gojo in h2h despite infinity. Hell it is litterally the reason he gets hit by UV in the 5th domain. By limiting his use of DA to adapt mahoraga to unlimited void he took too much damages which led to him being late at using domain by ONLY 0.001 second.
Another thing is that you misinterpret sukuna's words. He never said he couldn't manage to beat infinity. What he wanted was to TEAR through it. Domain don't fit the criteria since it straight up ignore infinity to inflict its sure hit effect. Basically, sukuna posed a challenge upon himself, which is quite in line with his personality and what he explain in his monologue around kashimo's death.
Last thing. With what kind of binding vow and crazy thing he has down the past chapter while being worn down, how the heck do you believe sukuna wouldn't do better by being in his heian form. Todo litterally noted that he could jump mid-air like heavenly restricted user do. He speedblitzed kashimo who is said to have transcended human limit (even if gojo can travel distance faster than kashimo, kashimo probably has a way better reaction time due to his cursed technique, and anyway he is said to have transcended human limits by the narrator and still got merked by a nerfed heian sukuna.
Everything point to sukuna winning against gojo if he goes for the kill. May it be by binding vow, winning all of the domain clashes or by finding a way to get gojo hit with a domain kamino
It makes sense why he held furnace back. If we think about it:
What would be the point of getting the 10S & Marohaga, if you just kill your opponent before Marohaga adapts & makes your main/fav ability stronger?
Exactly. The domains wasn't to kill gojo but adapt. He wouldn't pull a killing move of that degree
I think the fire arrow takes multiple uses of cleave and dismantle to be charged, I don’t think he would’ve had it charged by the time of their first domain clash
Would you have to remember about the king of curses domain extension is that it is a domain extension so whenever he slashes or hits dojo in that domain it's a sure hit effect not his regular cursed technique therefore he wouldn't be able to use that version of fuga on him
Whenever is sukuna uses his fuga against itidori he cannot use it on Gojo because he had to keep changing the conditions of his own domain expansion making it smaller and bigger.
9:26 what you said here is directly wrong and goes against what it said in the manga you see the thing is is that Gojo is still powerful enough to take it on like everybody else we always forget the fact that Gojo was able to take his fingers and put it through sukunas heart
Now I want you to realize one thing about Gojo and this entire fight he could have one shot sukanya the entire time at the start of the match he got rid of his hands meaning not to use malevolent shrine therefore if go to were to just walk up to him he could just one shot him there
Throughout the entire fight sukuna can do anything to Gojo he was absolutely frightened that if purple were to be used he would have died we all like the glaze sukuna on how he was beating him but you got to realize go to still cares about Megumi
well as my friend perceives it sukuna just pulled the world slash out his ass when he was so weak. Earlier Gojo had the advantage having full RCT and cursed energy while sukuna was at the lowest of the low Gojo thought he won then he died before he even realized it so gojo think he cant because he believe he had world slash the whole time and sukuna made it seem effortless when he killed him so gojo doesn't have the context of what sukuna did when he was so weak he didn't know sukuna was learning the world slash since it just happened no context
but then Gojo was shown to smile after Sukuna praised him, so saying he didn't know about the WS is bs cope tbh. Gojo saying he isn't sure he can win against a 10S Sukuna after seeing what Sukuna could do with the 10S with only 2 months training just goes to show Gojo acknowledged Sukuna as stronger than him regardless. But that's hard for a gojo fan to swallow since he was given a spectacular send off by Gege making him put in work on Sukuna, so any gojo fan who is biased obv will never acknowledge Sukuna's simply stronger but that's okay. Since we'll never see full power HE Sukuna vs Gojo, the only deciding Factor is Gojo's glaze in 236. That's facts. That's cannon
I’m the biggest gojo glazer but for the support of heian sakuna it would be likely he would use his domain expansion to burn out gojos CT and clash with hand to hand until he wore him down gojo seemed to be the superior hand to hand but gojo had to endure more damage over time not to mention sakuna would be working at max output with both his extra arms and mouth just like the six eyes does for gojo so it would come out to a battle of endurance and if the max output of sakuna and his domain would just overwhelm gojos recovery speed but the six eyes seem to easily survive Maguma so it’s up in the air
Sukuna probably could use his "Fire" when Gojos first domain broke.
The condition for it are that his "Cleave" and "Dismantle" are used for an unspecific amount and with "Malevolent Shrine" targeting all things inside with either one of them it should fullfill those criteria. Additionaly inside the domain his binding vow of only being able to use it against a single opponent is null and void and its likely that he has no need for both slashes to hit a single target.
For why he didnt do it then and their i have two explaination.
First his plan was all along to create the "World Slash" with "Mahoragas" help. Without his constant use of the wheel he would have won all 5 of the domain battle and its likely that he took a similar risk with the "Furnace".
And second he was as Kusakabe put it well aware that he would face the entire Sorcerer society after this fight so its good to have an relatively unknown ace in his purpled sleeve.
Gojo saying that sukuna didn't go all out because sukuna didn't use his true form which does give him an advantage in close combat
He didn't use chants or hand signs while gojo did
He didn't use kamutoke he could have strike him with lighting after gojo lost the first DE clash
He didn't use mahoraga and agito after gojo lost the first DE clash
He didn't have access to kamutoke
He literally did use maharaja and agito 3v1
@@effortless4588 he could have hide kamutoke in his shadow he simply didn't want it
He only used mahoraga and agito after he lost his domain
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I wonder if sukuna has used the piercing blood with his flames before to make it faster
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people are saying that he wouldnt have time because why would Gojo let him charge it up. Are they forgetting that if Sukuna didn't have mahoraga, then he would probably start in his heian form. Meaning he would be able to fight h2h while using his other arms to charge fire arrow.
Its very simple Sukuna's slahed weren't really meeting the requirements necessary to access the flame arrow. Look at the Mahoraga fight for example, Sukuna was running through an entire town filled with people. And this time it is against one man with little to no granted destruction, even with his fight against Jogo he was running through a city with plenty of elements to utilize in his domain.
Gege is willingly keeping the idea of who'd actually win vaguely ambiguous because of how he had the fight play out with sukuna leaning so hard into 10s onstead of just his technique. Because if all he actually has is dismantle and cleave along with the fire arrow plus his domain. He's genuinely know more versatile than Gojo, so I believe Gege had him take over Megumi's body to really make it nake sense for him to win. Even with his Heian form it's generally no different outside of an extra mouth and two more arms.
I think he realizes the amount of calculations that were in play that led to sukuna winning in the first place. Hes probably of idea that sukuna with prior knowledge couldve came up with another plan to be gojo or his uncertantiy of sukuna's heian era form which he probably not sure of how the specifics in that would go was always my interpretation. Also i feel like gojo saying the infinity stopping him from going all out could be interpreted that he didnt get to fight the real sukuna but a sukuna who had to be percise to even interact and fight gojo. Hes aware that real danger in sukuna is his slashes and his offense which isnt viable due to himself which led to sukuna having less freedom in a battle which simply could be interpreted as him holding back. Im tryna say that sukuna really couldnt attack gojo hand to hand while using slashes and having the furnace availaible to attack like he would with everyone else leading sukuna to use a different rout that is due to the ten shadows.
You do realize just with his fingers gojo could have killed sukuna. Don't believe what gojo said because he does care about megumi
@@newberryanimation6213gojo himself said it are you delusional? 😂, we have to believe the narration, the manga itself, that’s what gives us the key to move forward in understanding. Gojo lost, gojo is weaker, he,himself,sukuna, said it, mind you the method sukuna used is mad unorthodox
@@wizels1403 Dont get it twisted. Gojo lost because of the binding vow that happened last minute.
Jogo lost because of fuga. The finger bearer lost because of domain expansion. The bottom line is they lost. What's your argument@@True_ElJeffe
@@michaelsky251 he has no argument. His hapiness in life revolves around slandering Sukuna cuz his go/at got no diffed by a single slash, leaving him seething. Now his go/at is back, I hope his source of hapiness switches back 😭
Akin as in A-kin a kin to something
sukuna either didn’t collect enough dust or the amount of dust he collected was not enough to kill gojo. I’m of the belief that due to the narrator literally stating he didn’t have the freedom to use the flames he didn’t collect enough explosive particles to use the arrow before he changed the conditions of his domain and then he couldn’t use it anymore. Lets says he could have used it with the explosive particles he had collected so far. There were definitely far less particles then he collected against the crew in 258 so the explosion would have been far less stronger plus gojo having simple domain to lessen the potency of the explosion leads me to think the slashes could have very well been more effective for the situation and thats why sukuna opted to keep it sealed. Also to address your question of why gojo said he wasn’t sure if he would have won even if sukuna didn’t have ten shadows gojo doesn’t know all we know about sukuna. As far as gojo knew from jujutsu high telling him sukuna had extremely powerful flames that he didn’t use and he doesn’t know why and a true form that gojo was unaware of what buffs that would provide and what abilities transforming into the form would rid him of.
Is English not ur first language lol akin is a very normal word for similar or same
Honestly I stopped trying to understand how the cursed energy works in jjk, Gege can't explain shit even if you put his life in danger
I just still think gojo would've won without the binding vow, Sukuna revealing furnace means nothing because he couldnt single target in his domain (where gojo had burnout) AND when he wasnt in the domain, gojo had infinity (meaning it wouldnt reach gojo). Sukunas ONLY route to beating gojo was the World Cutting slash. People be realistic.....
If sukuna wanted to just kill Gojo, then why didn't he use his true form from the start, he would have performed far better and would have won the battle in round 1 with the domain clashes
tbh, the 3 interpretations for the "sukuna was holding back" all make reasonable sense and could all be valid. The least likely is that he thought that 20f meguna could beat him without the 10 shadows, this would make gojo seem kinda weak and i dont think this is what he meant. the second option is that he thought that 20f yujikuna would rock his shit, which i believe is the most likely option. and the last option is obviously that heainkuna would beat him, but i feel like that is overkill against gojo
15:25
Gojo was saying that because he didn’t know he was Sukunas toughest fight
Sukuna afterwards corrects Gojo and it’s made clear either of them could die
Sukuna literally had to permanently alter his strongest technique forever to kill Gojo
That airport scene happens before Gojo even gets praised by Sukuna
I hate the fact people keep overlooking this, if Sukuna had praised Gojo prior to the airport scene, that conversation with getou would’ve gone much differently
Point still stands. Mahoraga was not needed for gojos death, that much is proven in the domains. Mahoraga was only needed to actually make that slash.amd to do that he would need to adapt multiple times. The whole thing was sukuna stalling. Gojo was never the priority here, sorry
@@Owen-sx4jjCap. Even if sukuna shot off the arrow within the first domain clash, it would have most likely not been enough to kill gojo. As he was still at full health and would most likely RCT from it. Gojo ain’t Choso and he’s far more durable. Mahoraga was Sukuna’s ONLY sure way of winning that fight which is why he chose to go that route.
He was only able to use the flame arrow against jogo so quickly because sukuka gathers heat and cursed energy form his surroundings to form the flame arrow and jogo provided plenty of that for sukuna to use without having to do much prep
Nah he used cleave and dismantle on him. Chapter 111 he dismantled Jogo’s head when he bowed down to him, this was before killing the girl. And then chapter 115 he cleaves Jogo’s arms when he tries to shoot flames at him. Those met the requirements and let him use flame arrow since it’s stated in 259 that he needs to use dismantle and cleave in order to use the flames. He then talked Jogo into standing still so he didn’t need to use domain for a sure hit cus Jogo agreed to stand there and have a fire battle.
prove it? ofc you cant thats just your theory
@@jennilynmalate7459 its not hard to prove just think about it normally for sukuna to use the flame arrow he uses cleave and dismantle to destroy the surrounding area but more importantly to lace the area with super heated cursed energy he did this against mahoraga and last chapter against yuji but he did none of this against jogo yet was still able to use the flame arrow its obviously because jogo met those conditions for him jogo already super heated the area by using maximum meteor
@@jennilynmalate7459 its a fact that just simply using cleave and dismantle on those girls would not be enough to use flame arrow he also needs super heated cursed energy in his surroundings
@@yutaoGOATsu236 That’s false tho, it’s literally stated in chapter 259 that he needs to use cleave and dismantle first to use flame arrow. Nowhere is it stated that he needs heat to create flame arrow, it states that he baths whatever he cuts in his CE with cleave and diamantle, after that he’s able to use flame arrow. The reason he was able to use it outside his domain against Jogo is because Jogo agreed to stand there and have a fire battle with him. Its literally shown in the manga that Sukuna used cleave and dismantle on Jogo in their fight before he uses flame arrow. You’re blatantly leaving out the part where they say he can use flame arrow outside his domain in 1v1 situations. And to prove that cleave and dismantle was the reason he could do flame arrow, if Sukuna used the surrounding heat then that would mean the surrounding area would have the same CE as the flame arrow he fired at Jogo. If this were the case, then when Sukuna hit Jogo with fire arrow, more than Jogo would’ve caught fire because flame arrow would’ve caused everything in the vicinity that had the same CE as it to burn but that didn’t happen, ONLY Jogo was on fire and none of the flames that were already around from his max meteor was changed so i don’t see how you say he used the surrounding heat and flames when they were never shown to be used or changed, just pure headcannon.
Bro you don't know what akin is it's basically just alike or similar and im a freshman in high school
Akhi is the Arabic word for friend
i like your reasoning i believe the fight would still be hard but if sukuna uses the flames and gojo isnt that 100% he dies maybe even at 100 cause he will be slashed before it but sukuna cant win in this scenario without his domain
Gojo's uncertainty stems from the domain clashes imo, he was losing the clashes and even Gojo noted the risky plays by Sukuna. He was fighting rather passively in order to proceed with the adaptation, meaning he was taking on damage more than necessary and not fighting as aggressively as he could, it was only after all of the unlimited voids that Gojo turned the tides in his favor, it's possible had Sukuna fought with full aggression that he could have won with the first two domain clashes imo.
Yes at the third clash had sukuna closed his domain. The next one would kill gojo. Either he dies trying to cast a other or his rct dies first. 3 domains and it's over. Also the convenient domain shrink also saved gojo.
Akin i think means similar to
"Akin to" means "like"
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Teleportation is irrelevant
Because it’s so slow, gojo would’ve just run out of the domain by the time the arrow was ready to be shot or gojos CT would’ve been replenished by the time the arrow was shot which would make arrow useless due to infinity
It makes no sense for Sukuna to not be able to use Furnace against Gojo because the range of his domain was compressed, he could’ve just extended the range once Gojo’s domain broke
They be saying him FUVKING around with his range is on some binding vow tf sht keeping that furnance sealed
@@SuperiorI.Q At the start of chapter 227 Sukuna expanded his domain to its maximum range, this argument doesn’t hold up
@guilha1506 there's is more to the furnace sukuna talks about how it's slow and has low range. Gojo would have just dogged it which is why sukuna probably didn't use it
@@khyreepeacock6779Nope
@@guilha1506Gojo would have not given sukuna a chance to breath anyways to do furnace 😊
I think Gege's intent there was to say that Sukuna couldn't use it period in the Gojo fight
For some reason they didn't inform Gojo of Sukuna's domain being barrier less and having a large range, while Sukuna had all the information on Gojo's domain and how to counter it.
Barrierless or not. It doesn't matter. A refined domain is already a counter
@@michaelsky251nah it isnt
what makes you think that they didn't tell Gojo about Sukuna's open barrier domain?
@@brokenamvs9707 because he wouldn't have needed 3 tries otherwise
@@parmar__12 he experimented again and again and then figured out how to draw domain clashes and also he won't be aware of how highly skilled Sukuna can be with binding vows
Becuase gojo could easily leave sukuna open domain if he doesn’t pressure him like crazy he couldn’t even think
Of starting up
Gojo absolutely smokes skuna without mahoraga
He didn’t say he could he said he didn’t know. And it’s not heian era sukuna. It’s sukuna right now with all the knowledge of his domain and technique. Out of story reason gege wanted to make sure that the cast was fighting an equally strong version of Sukuna that Gojo did. In story reason, Gojo just doesn’t know what Sukuna has in his bag at the time.
No way bro doesn’t know the word akin 💀
Could Gojo survive the furnace ???
Yes, easily.
If his infinity is on, it depends whether it can protect him from compression and decompression. If his infinity is out, he gets burned to ashes.
@@Mike-pb7tkif his infinity is on than he’s, if not he’s f*ucked
@@rexlapis1075 I'd say the infinity on argument is 50/50 cause it's shown/explained in earlier chaps that infinity can be strained depending on how strong an attack is. Best example is probably the Jogo/Hanami train fight. Chap 85. Gojo says. "If you try to neutralize my technique with your amplification then I'll counter by strengthening my cursed technique." meaning that infinity when in contact with something put's strain on it, and whereas furnace is multitudes stronger than what anything we've seen and Sukuna having a far higher cursed pool to work with. Even being way more than Yuta which is double what Gojo has a high chance of overstressing infinity and one tapping. Also Add in the hand signs with the extra two hand and the chants to further amp output, and we don't know if it's a sure hit effect in the domain either. All we know is it's essentially a nuke requiring cleave and dismantle to land first.
@@Galaxyverse9 directly after a domain clash infinity is turned off and so Gojo was spamming reverse curse to heal himself so therefore he would get hit by Fuga directly after slashed. Also, Gojo could not take Fuga because quite literally he will not have the time to heal similar to mahoraga who also has the capability to heal.
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You fr don’t know what akin means? 😂
so y’all think this could beat hollow purple like i’m talking full power for both could fuga destroy hollow purple
Gojo would have died due to mahoraga. Since its regeneration was at least close to instant (It could just be the anime). And if mahoraga can't regenerate it then gojo rct should not be fast enough to counter it. But gojo can make a binding vow to survive but his chances of winning would have been on the lower end. Since the binding vow should be very costly. Since gojo is not experienced with binding vows like Sukuna is.
Mahoraga had 0 regeneration to Furnace because it had 0 adaptation to it, Sukuna used it while Mahoraga was regenerating from Cleaves and Dismantles in Malevolent Shrine.
Gojo acted the whole time as if 1 Red would kill Mahoraga in one shot with 0 adaptation, and honestly after seeing him make Mahoraga throw up with one punch before Mahoraga adapted to infinity whatsoever (After it only adapted to his domain when Sukuna passed out after Gojo's first black flash) i don't doubt it.
Of course, Furnace is stronger than Red, but let's not act as if Mahoraga is on par with Gojo. Just because an attack can one shot Mahoraga doesn't mean it can one shot Gojo. Mahoraga doesn't heal with RCT after all, it adapts to specific attacks and gets immunity from said attacks, and the more adaptation it has the faster it will heal from those attacks. We clearly saw Mahoraga instantly healed from being disintegrated by Malevolent Shrine, but didn't recover from the same level of disintegration caused by Furnace.
It also did not recover from being disintegrated by Unlimited Hollow Purple, even though it was adapted to blue, infinity, and somewhat to Red, as well as to Gojo's CE in general since it took his black flashes. That's enough proof that Mahoraga just heals from attacks it was adapted to, but it can't instantly regenerate from attacks that hit it the first time that it has no adaptation for.
The cook in the kitchen
Bruh forget this how in the blue fuck can ino and miwa tank malevolent shrines sure hit of cleave and dismantle with simple domain. Gojos got straight up destroyed instantly and it’s clearly stated that his domain expansion is a full power after all the binding vows Sukuna made to cast his domain expansion in a weakened state. So Gojos simple domain is weaker than miwa and inos? Nah that’s some next level bs
Its full power for a WEAKENED sukuna, not full power for a healthy One. This sukuna is LEAGUES weaker than the one that fought ryu
if gojo knew about sukuna's open domain the fight would have been in gojos favor
Nothing would change. The fight goes the same way. He'd have to cast a domain at one point. It's the decisive factor to win.
@@Owen-sx4jj if we already know that gojo is the superior close range fighter what makes you think that sukuna would be able to cast a domain while they are fighting and what makes you think that gojo wouldnt master the capacity to make an open barrier or since we literally saw gojo expand his domain above outside of sukuna and then shrink it to the side of a basketball during a fight that he didnt know that sukuna had an open domain then it would mean that with the knowledge of sukuna's open domain gojo could create a close domain with the same radius that sukuna has which means that sukuna woulndnt have the advantage of breaking the outside of gojo's domain in the fight.
@@lordaddison5690 gojo can never "master the capacity" to use an open domain. Your domain is given to you as it is so stop the appeal to possibility.
Gojo cannot cover the same radius as sukuna's domain. It will most likely get too thin and break. Open domains are just superior. Sukuna only needed to expand his domain just outside gojos each time, he never tried opening it to cover the whole city like shibuya.
@@Owen-sx4jj in the fight sukuna says "this time I will use a close domain" and have mahoraga adapt to his infinity. That was right gojo bled from the nose trying to use his domain. You are heaviliy misinformed if you think that open domain comes to you as it is buddy. It's your technique that comes to use as it is not the circumstances of your domain. Plus it is been written many times in the manga that sukuna requires a binding vow to make that open domain. And you cant claim that sukuna would simply make a bigger domain if gojo would expand his since we already know that making a closed domain is easier than making a open domain as a matter of fact an open domain is considered divine meaning that gojo would have an easier time expanding his domain than sukuna would. Also if you watch the fight closely sukuna never "just" expanded his domain outside of gojo since we literally saw gojo expanding his domain in the battle so why didnt sukuna continue to expand his so that gojo wouldnt be able to enveleop sukuna's domain? Let me tell you why. its because he couldnt. I am telling you things that gojo has already done im not adding anything extra the part that you are missing is that gojo did it with lack of preparation, gojo did it mid battle meaning that with more information his adaptation would have been far more effective.
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200% hollow purple destroyed half a building, weakened sukuna did a normal technique and eviscerated the city
U CANT COMPARE
Brother didn’t lie I’m afraid
That was because sukunas flame was used inside his domain and that affects everything in it
@@pkaplayz3517He used it once in Shibuya against Jogo and it still left the city in a mess !
Unrestricted purple had a range of around 1km, so if you go by area of effect Sukuna is getting outclassed
Guess you forgot the Nuke, Gojo dropped on Sukuna and Mahoraga…
As I said before Gojo was wrong. Sukuna went all out against. Gojo applied way to much pressure on Sukuna so much so that he permanently nerfed himself and couldn't use his ultimate attack
If Sukuna didn't have 10S and knowledge of Gojo from being inside Yuji, Megumi, and Intel from Kenjaku, Gojo would have beaten him.
You left out the fact Sukuna needs his domain to destroy the area to create the conditions to use furnace so no at any point he couldn't have used it against Gojo. That binding vow has been established.
Untrue. As soon as they both cast their domains. Each character would know what they are dealing with and the fight would proceed the same way. Sukuna held back, don't make this hard for yourself.
Gojo fans still coping to this day 😂
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The fight was never complicated people just don’t understand how to scale 💀 I’ll make this simple
Name me something besides domain and da that bypass limitless ? Since GoJo death literally nothing has been shown
So this means sakuan only has 2 option domain or fist fighting
Now explain to me why Gojo has to have a domain clash with sakuan ? He doesn’t it’s a logical fallacy people use the only reason it wasn’t shown gojo not doing it is because it’s not entertaining to the reader if GoJo would just teleport all around launching hallow purples over and over and not engaging in combat aka gorilla warfare tactics which he did against toji so let’s not do this bs of saying it isn’t in gojo character.
Gojo doesn’t half to engage in a domain clash which takes away Sakuna only option of really winning the fight
Sakuna with his 4 arms in hand to hand could be a problem but the thing is , it’s been repeatedly shown that characters r able to fight hand to hand with him and have even started to do damage against him , so the argument of his 4 arms making it harder against is a logical fallacy , I can agree to a extent that it would probably give problem, but GoJo was fighting on par with a domain amp Sakuna 💀which means all his stats where buffed and gojo was shown to be = to that version of Sakuna implying that he’s stronger and faster then him and while In his own domain he speed blitz him , gojo is by far superior in hand to hand combat and with having his ct sakuan would just be screwed in the hand to hand so it’s not even a argument
GoJo literally had to die from a plot convince and people think sakuan is stronger because of so called statements ? When feats literally contradict the statement 💀💀
I wanna add proper context for people who don’t like to read correctly , sakuan was holding back not by choice , GoJo defensive was so superior to sakuan offense that he was literally forced to be defensive cause he couldn’t do nothing else
Boxing for example there r fighters who r better then the other , but because of certain styles your forced in positions where u can’t go all out
Deontae wilder vs fury is an example of this in the 2nd fight ; fury came forward forcing Deonte backwards which massively reduced his power . This is the same concept in the GoJo fight , people run with statements at face value and it’s completely ignorant , GoJo said why is he holding back ever bother to think GoJo was a making a assumption which could easily be wrong ? Guess that didn’t hit anyone’s Brain huh ? 🙄
Also sakuan has to use cleave and dismantle , to cook up furnace it’s not just uses dismantle and he gets it , if u guys go back snd read the fight the only time these conditions where met , is the first fight in which skauan was in GoJo simple domain , from there they engaged in close range combat ,the only way sakuan would get the shot off is if he literally retreated but GoJo wasn’t allowing that they fought at close range not allowing sakuan time to actually do it
Also we have seen fuga 3 times , and every time it had build up , he has to say box open then he has to do the stuff with his hand this is what we call time being wasted aka seconds implying that sakuan didn’t have time to use it
Its been very obvious from the start GoJo is stronger/ the strongest 💀
Statements r cool and all but at the end of the day with no evidence/ feats it’s baseless
When u argue or power scale
It goes feats , statements, then narritve , then author intent in terms of importance
Until sakuan can do a ct outside of the 2 I listed above ( I’m excluding world slash cause It should be common sense that version of sakuan will win ) there’s no argument that he beats gojo
So in essence Sukuna failed to cook his food 😂 the irony
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Gojo just takes a fatest shit on plotkuna without 10S
cant prove it
@@y9d6j Don't have to. He was taking a shit on him even with 10S.
@@aashas8553 again. making a claim about 10 shadows, not about him without 10 shadows.
get real
@@y9d6j ur dumb bro here take a banana
whatever you say lil pookie
This guy is illiterate 😂
The flame arrow doesn’t really change anything, sukuna simply doesn’t need it
Why is this complicated y’all it was basically stated sukuna would win😭🤦♂️ am I the only one that read 236 and used clues to see sukuna wasn’t going all out 😔 I truly must the the exception, the honored individual one may say.
Imo anything after really don’t matter as long as sukuna don’t contradict gojo statements
Also remember that gojo only learned how to alter his shape of his domain due to prism realm. So beginning of the series should still lose to heian sukuna.
Ok but when is sukuna gona go all out? He's literally on his last legs wounded, exhausted. It seems to me he did go all out, cause hes almost out of gas as we speak..
@@Mike-pb7tk wasnt going all out during the gojo fight
@@XKIRA376stop acting like your smarter than everyone it is sad
@@marinefart9082 is sarcasm that hard to understand. Holy
You are misinterpreting it tho, his "not going all out" was him just not using his Heian era form to fully heal himself against Gojo (and he would have ended up needing to use it if it wasnt for the sneak attack he got on Gojo). in an arguement about Gojo vs Heian era form Sukuna, that doesnt matter cuz he wont have that option.
Honestly, Gege should have said Furnace was the shirne's Maximum technique and moved on. It would have been less confused then. I get why he decided to explain it, it was the same with the binding vow Sukuna made to kill Gojo and Miyua made something similar against Kenjaku but people won't be complaining if he hadn't made such a mystery over a simple techinique.
its alright CUZ GOJOS BACK
I think without 10s and maho showing sukuna how to cut through infinity, gojo wins even against heian kuna. Unless his meat riders want to make things up for sukuna like gege.
You are the one making things up. Sukuna was stalling for Mahoraga which is why he didn't close the domain on gojo and was taking riskier options. Using mahoraga was risky. Without maho, gojo dies in 3 domain clashes max. Let's not forget he also had the convenient domain shrink tech. Kusakabe, uraume and Gojo himself says gojo loses. They all knew it would probably happen.
Is it even possible for you guys to have normal discussions without calling each other meat rider or accusing each other of making stuff up?
All i've seen these past few months is people insulting each other, and pushing their agendas.
There is barely any normal discourse.