Can’t blame the One Piece community. The characters all grow so independently and their powers are used in such creative ways that it’s borderline impossible to power scale with precision.
I have yonko over admirals and luffy won this "battle" given the win condition was keeping Vegapunk alive, but it hasn't moved the needle for me. We just went into a flashback where present time basically comes to a standstill. If we get out of flashback and kizaru still can't move for a period of time, then ok cool he got one shot because regardless of him not focusing on luffy the fact is he didn't have the durability or endurance to shrug off the white star gun. But if he conveniently gets back up as soon as the flashback ends then at that point i wouldn't even call it a one shot and its just Oda creating a means to an end to bench the strongest guys on each side to segway into the kuma flashback.
@@udithsethu552 depending on how long the flashback is in the eyes of the readers it will have been a while once we get back to the present but in story time it could be just a could minutes.
Luffy is in toon force universe while in gear 5. The only limitation he has is the side effect, losing stamina very quick. We are in the final saga, we cant have multiple arcs and an admiral as the main villain in each. Remember, we still have the BB pirates and the goroseis. If theres gonna be a main villain fight with the marines its gotta be Sakazuki. What Im trying to say is The likes of Kizaru, Fujitora or Greenbull are not the star of the marines no more for Luffy to fight, Luffy has BIGGER fishes to catch.
Idk. I cant really tell. It sort of seems like kizaru is not really into the fight. Maybe its bothering him to fight sentomaru and vegapunk. Just seems a bit off.
I think the main reason everyone is arguing is because people said luffy would get washed by kizaru and it didn’t happen so now agendas are flying out the ass lol I was rooting for luffy to win too
One thing i've noticed is that in every single admiral encounter the win condition is never to simply beat the admiral. Water 7 vs Aokiji win condition: protect the crew Sabaody vs Kizaru win condition: escape Marineford win condition: save Ace Dressrosa vs Fujitora win condition: escape Holy Land vs Fujitora and Ryokugyu win condition: recuse Kuma, declare war, destroy food supply Wano vs Ryokugyu win condition: survive Egghead vs Kizaru win condition: protect Vegapunk
The Admirals are clearly portrayed as elite units that can accomplish missions due to their strength AND wide variety of abilities. The yonko are portrayed as beasts that bend reality to their will. I see it like this. Yonko will come out on top If they get the 1v1 but admirals will handle chaotic situations better where they can play with time or their surroundings
I have noticed that the admirals can never truly go all out (except for Greenbull, but he'd have to fight, Shanks, Luffy and their Crews so RIP) so they can never use their awakening
@@woraz96I wouldn’t say yonko > admirals in a 1v1 , till this day we haven’t seen 1 admiral go all out or even use their full strength and the one time we heard abt it, it was a 10 day fight that transformed a entire island but it was still off screen 💀and they still seem to be comparable.
*There is no gap.* Oda’s being consistent with the power system. Zoans are most durable which is why kaido ate luffy’s attacks. You can’t expect the same stats for other characters like kizaru. I expect logia stats to have more destructive power and area of effect
It’s not just Zoan effect, even before his df Kaido was notoriously sturdy and unkillable. And with Acoc he definitely had more attack power anything kizaru put out. He’s an oni after all
Kaido can cause way more damage than kizaru. Stop copeing admirals just aren’t yonko level not even close. Every yonko can one tap them 😂 except buggy and maybey bb if he is fraudulent bc bro hasn’t done anything more impressive then barley beat law yet 😂 but the three confirmed gods kaido luffy shanks and even big mom can prob one tap admirals with their strongest attacks and 2-3 tap them like luffy just did with mid attacks 😂
No one expects the same stats from Kizaru as Kaidou. But if you think in terms of sanity and consistency, then you can surely realize that this "one-hit" is a fucking exaggeration. Of course, it's not a one-hit in the sense that Kizaru is still conscious, but from that one hit he fell to the floor and he himself admits that he won't be able to move for a while. It's pathetic, especially pathetic when I consider that characters presumably weaker than Kizaru got up from every fucking Yonkou attack.
There absolutely is a gap. But like KOL said not all Yonko are the created equally and the same goes for Admirals. So the gap between let’s say Shanks or Kaido and Fuji or Greenbull is massive. While between those two and Akainu or Aokiji as of now there is still a gap but it’s much smaller. Keep in mind all of this being a straight fresh 1v1 because of course outside interference or previous damage/stamina drain can change the outcome. Overall from everything we’ve seen I think it’s safe to say in general it would take two Admirals to soundly bring down a Yonko. Otherwise a win for Admirals vs the stronger Yonko is extreme diff at best. Also the Luffy “one tapping” Kizaru is just ridiculous since both are still conscious and on the ground.
It's not that complicated, when kaido took a similar hit he was down on the ground for some time (of course it was much less, but still). Admirals have the capacity to deal a lot of damage, even comparable to yonko levels, and evade many attacks, but ultimately when compared to them, they're like glass cannons.
Well only Kizaru to be fair, he’s also mentally nerfed and lacking resolve here. He doesn’t seem to be in the fight atm, we seen Aokiji be able to tank Garp’s acoc blows and get up i’d imagine Akainu’s would be even higher. Idk I feel like coming out of the Kaido/BM arc we can’t be used for people to have their durability as the other main enemies just have human bodies besides other zoans.
I think the reveal that the gorosei are fighters puts the nail in the coffin. We don’t know exactly how strong they are, but Saturn’s demeanor makes me believe he’s at least stronger than Kizaru. I mean, if Kizaru was actually the strongest WG fighter on that island and Luffy just defeated him, wouldn’t Saturn be shitting himself? If Kizaru was final boss material, why is he down but Saturn is still throwing hands?
@calvinnguyen1870 how tf did that not make sense? Luffy isn't a threat right now and Saturn still tried to attack him before anyone. So obviously he's scared or threatened
@@donnieward6287 So let me get this straight. You think that Saturn, *one of the highest ranking officials in the WG,* attacking Luffy, *an enemy of the WG,* means that Saturn is feeling scared? And therefore Kizaru, who is currently *flat on his ass,* might still be stronger? Did I get that right?
Honestly, I think Logia's are, not quite glass cannons, but can get hurt badly when you are able to bypass the invulnerability with Haki. Against lower tier fighters, they're fine, but once you get into that range of heavy hitters like a Luffy, WB or Kaido, it has much more if an effect. I wouldn't be surprised if the reason Kizaru got rocked so badly, was because he hadn't been hit like that in a long time.
This, they probably don't have much physical durability because more often than not, they didn't need it. It's not often they go up against high level Haki fighters, Zoans and other types do not have the luxury of being naturally invulnerable and have to work on their physical durability and stamina, more..
@@FMF6A True, but as stated by Zephyre Kizaru tends to rely too much on his DF so like Katakuri he's probably not used to getting hit even compared to other logias.
@@DhirC35 I'm not using it as a rule. But Kizaru when we see him typically just dodges stuff and again he's a logia. And also Z says he relies to much on his DF so his armament might not be the best. Just trying to counter the people saying that there's an immeasurable gap between yonko and admirals when there's further context and ststs are not all proportional.
The plot IS the power scaling. The story determines the scaling, the scaling doesn’t determine the story- it’s just bad story writing when the powerscaling is wonky because that means the reasons characters can do or fight or beat one another are unexplained. You boys are dumb ass hell 😂😂😂
Keep in mind this was a G5 Luffy that had already been in G5 not too long before this fight. This was also a Luffy that went through the barrier twice. He was already gassed going into the end of this fight.
Luffy transcended off the power scaling charts the moment he went Gear 5th. The guy bends reality and makes the show Looney Toons mode like, that power alone will beat anyone in the verse. The only thing that will stop him from running through every Admiral, God's Knight and Yonko right now is Story and Stamina. Stamina is always how Oda has limited Luffy's forms and the more he uses it, the longer he can maintain it. Then obviously, Luffy just no diffing the entire rest of the cast would not be interesting, so Oda had to put some sort of reasoning as to why he cant just beat Kizaru right here and also beat Saturn. That reason, is stamina, and the fact that he already has transformed into Gear 5th like 3 times since getting to Egg Head which is probably only like a day or 2 in universe. and also has fought Seraphim, Lucci etc.
Don't forget that the Gorosei literally that the Nika Zoan DF only limitation is the user's imagination, which means that this DF power is OP as long as it's user has infinite imagination in using their cartoon physic reality bending powers.
Youre extremely incorrect lol stop coping. His speed, endurance, durability, haki, etc. is still not good enough as well as stamina stop coping luffy hasnt shown anything putting him above shanks or kaido
@@izzybar9470 coping what exactly? I said that Luffy now has a power that theoretically should be able to no diff the entire verse. Like there isnt much stopping Luffy from grabbing the ground and rebounding a Kamu Sari back at Shanks or something. Obviously this will not happen now but Luffy's power is all imagination. That power is far beyond like just Fire Manipulation or something. Currently at least the Gorosei seem to be Immortal. But Luffy's power is all imagination BTW he has incredible durability, speed, haki now. He's not faster than Kizaru and his Haki is not better than Shanks and no I dont expect Luffy to win if he fought Shanks right now. Im just saying his power is broken, and the only thing stopping him from beating ANYONE right now is just because Oda doesnt WANT him to yet. (I know that seems like an obvious statement but hopefully someone understands what im saying)
@@xzalean vro you actually cannot read. He is faster than kizaru he literally blitzed him and his power is not broken. Luffy got hp boosts against kaido and 2 tries in gear 5 and it was still extreme diff against a non fp kaido that took so much internal damage
Only One Piece powerscalers can powerscale when there wasnt even a fight. One of the two was focused on his objective, while the other wanted to take him down
Yonko>admirals. But the bias is INSANE in OP community. In any anime if your ability damages yourself its on YOU to leave your oponent in a worse state than you when youre done, be that killed or knocked out or whatever. Kizarus durability is absolutely in the mud, but regardless of how you get there, if both cant move but both are still concious they are in the exact same state and its a draw. Doesnt matter if luffys was self caused. Its on luffy for allowing kizaru to stall him out. 2 people fight and both left unable to move and somehow yall coping one won.The ONLY argument for luffy>kizaru is that luffy was already exhausted from going g5 against lucci, because the fight itself was a draw regardless of g5 timer cope
THISSS. If goku used kaioken or might guy used 8 gates at the end if they in the same state its a draw. Idk why people acting as if you get a free pass for being out just cause its self inflicted. Thats on you
It is different tho, imagine luffy didn't have this problem with gear 5th than this exchange would simply be a win for luffy straight up, kizaru failed to do his job regardless of how he felt mentally and he couldn't stall luffy enough to do anything of value after all is said and done luffy won this exchange simply by knocking kizaru to the ground by force rather than them both failing to complete their respective tasks, it's ignorance to think luffy and kizaru are on equal terms as of right now only cause luffy has run out of energy in gear 5 had he said to the readers that kizaru made him push himself to a limit rather than just reaching his limit naturally than I'd be more inclined to agree but he hasn't, therefore luffy won this exchange and miniscule as a win it is, it's still a win none the less and luffy had other opponents other than kizaru that night too like the seraphim . Not fair to say they're the same. it's quite disrespectful to the character to think that a task like holding off an admiral is a hard job for any yonko except buggy
I might have Yonko over Admiral and believe it takes two Admirals to beat a Yonko. But saying Luffy one tapped Kizaru and the gap widened is crazy. Especially since Kizaru is still conscious and Luffy is down too.
Yeah it can get pretty evident that some people have low reading comprehension in the community. Especially when people focus on power and throw things like a character's morals, beliefs, and connections out the window
Kizaru spent the entire time saying how he didn't want to kill vegapunk and Saturn confirmed that Kizaru is acting unusually slow. This "draw" between Kizaru and Luffy is only due to plot. Kizaru is about to leave WG to save Sentomaru and Vegapunk. The flip is coming
Cope and cope. He said he didnt want to do it but he knows his role as a cog in the machine, and tried to kill VP by shooting a laser at him. He might end up flipping now yes but that doesn´t mean he wasnt about to do his job before Saturn showed up. Saturn said Kizaru was slow in executing the order of killing VP and directly after he says "but I understand why, giving the circumstances," while looking at Luffy. Saturn didn´t confirm that Kizaru was slow because Kizaru was hesitating, Saturn confirmed that he was slow because Luffy stopped him
@MrSub132 cope. Luffy asked kizaru why he wants to kill vegapunk and Kizaru flies off saying " You think I want to kill vegapunk". Luffy chases after and uses white star gun. Saturn's says "given the circumstances " in regards to the kizaru obviously having to get around Nika but kill vegapunk and Sentomaru on top of it. The emotional aspect matters. That's what the previous chapters and kizaru flashback was.
@@Dreallday20 I already stated that KIzaru doesnt want to kill vegapunk but he also said he is a cog in the machine AND that killing vp is his top priority. He litterally fired a lazer at vegapunk so the argument of he doesnt actually want to kill him therefore he's stalling on purpose and not ending luffy and vegapunk because of his feelings when its clearly stated he does his job regardless of his feelings as long as he can do it his way. He failed cause of Luffy end of story. thats what the story LITTERALLY shows you. He's not taking a hit on purpose, he tried to kill vegapunk mid fight. He just failed. De emotional aspect matters story wise but not powerscaling wise. So you're the one coping
Him not turning into an old man after Wano is so simple honestly. He passed out after he beat Kaido. It took him a while to wake up to tell Momo that he didn't want the people of Wano to know about him. Look at each time he turns old, he is always still conscious when he comes out of Gear 5 and goes old. Even now, he isn't unconscious. When Franky punched him, he made grunts and he is still making noise while Franky grabs him. He's awake.
I think there’s a Gap, but not a Gap that’s tremendous. I truly believe if an Admiral comes in with the mindset to literally destroy or fight to the death it’ll be different. I think we forget the damage Aokiji vs Akainu did to an island. There literally a walking buster call. I don’t think Kizarus mindset was beating Luffy . I think it was mission first with him and Saint Saturn even stated you’re in a way yiur not your usual self. Luffys job was to protect Vegapunk while also showing Kizaru how far he’s come from Saobody . Yonko>Admiral>>1st Commanders>>>>>>>Vice admirals lol
Bruh 1 yonko crew cant take down the entire WG. Yonko are definitely probably the strongest individuals in the world but the WG is better stacked. 3 admirals, 5 gorosei, seraphim, vice admirals, giant squadron, holy knights is definitely more then any yonko crew can handle. You may just need all 4 yonko crews to beat them wholeheartedly
Personally, don’t know if someone’s said this but I think luffy having stamina issues is due to him using his devil fruit inefficiently, he doesn’t know he’s a zoan user otherwise he might be able to use his forms more effectively and with his awakening as well. Idk just my thoughts on the whole stamina issue.
I think that Luffy, just isn't used to his new endurance limitations, and wasn't taking the fight as seriously as he should have. I mean he said it himself. he was only there to stall kizaru, I don't think he really had the motivation to go all out against an opp that he didn't feel strongly about defeating
I agree, it was only when Franky made that desperate call for Luffy to do something that I think that’s the moment where Luffy realized that like damn, enough messing around. I gotta put this guy down rn
Poor Usopp getting choked didn't move Luffy at all lol. It's also funny how both Kizaru and Kaido could identify when Luffy was at his limit, must be their battle experience showing.
That's why he hasn't yet. The story needs him to have low Stamina or he becomes broken and he's not even in his prime most reach their prime at age 30-40
2:55 Shanks was literally just chilling, 100% rested. Luffy had been fighting with Kizaru, maybe not for hrs but he had (and yeah, Luffy may be stronger but it's still an Admiral, enough to make Luffy tired after a while, specially while using G5)... So yeah, not a fair comparison.
17:15 Akainu punched WB Whitebeards face off after eating an enraged sneak attack Gura Gura attack. Chapter 575 pg 6-7. Then, in Ch 578, stood back up ready to solo the entirety of the WB pirates
I don’t know what people are mad about, their was always a gap between the originals Yonko and admirals. And even with Luffy being a Yonko now of course he’s not has strong as Kaido. Still definitely left his mark on kizaru
@@powerscallingfiendNah. We legit saw Kaido weather the storm of Gear 5 to where. Luffy needed a break. In order to recover his Haki and get back in the fight. Luffy does not beat Kaido 1v1. Kaido lived up to his reputation of "If its 1v1 bet on Kaido"
I think the issue is not what happened, but people taking this one interaction and blowing it WAY out of proportion just like a majority of OP power scalers do. The discourse just gets old and a bit annoying at times
you are making "the best one piece thumbnails" in current time really really liking them, wish I had a way to make one of those my wallpaper! ( especially the one in which "imu is holding devil fruit and this video's of luffy and kizaru" )
Can we stop pretending like luffy gets a free pass for being out just cause its self inflicted? Deku hurting himself with OFA, kaioken, etc. If you have Abilities that hurt yourself/wear you out you have to beat your oponent worse than what it does to you. Thats always been the case. You didnt win if youre both out
The difference is tho, Kizaru did little to any relevant damage to Luffy himself. Most of the dmg Luffy took was from the Frontier Dome twice. Meanwhile Luffy got one attack in and Kizaru already needed a timeout. It's not a "Free pass", Luffy is just clearly stronger.
People are ignoring rope-a-dope being an effective strategy. If you can drain a person's stamina to the point they can no longer fight, it can be a legit win.
Its not complicated, Luffy couldn't beat Big Mom, he couldn't even properly beat Katakuri, as a result when Big Mom reentered the fray in Wano she was still a massive threat to be concerned about, and Kaido who is in her tier maintained being a big threat before we even saw him fight Luffy. We knew Luffy attacking him wouldn't end well. When the Admirals reenter the story after this, they will not be seen as a threat, period. Because everyone will assume that Sanji, Zoro, and Jinbe will handle them based on how easily Luffy supposedly handled Kizaru; assuming Oda isn't gonna claim Kizaru is using it as an excuse to stay out of killing Vegapunk, or Luffy actually did use all his Haki and energy in the attack. There will be no narrative stake in that moment without Oda going way out of his way to create a predicament for the characters to deal with at the same time. That means the Marines do not actually pose a threat to our prominent cast. The organization which polices 90% of the planet, which they made a big deal about how they are expanding into the New World when Sakazuki took over, now poses no threat from a pure combat standpoint when they are known the world over as the supreme battle power of the Marines. That is bad, period. This also means it makes zero sense, that the Marines took no action when Big Mom was on her way to Kaido. If an admiral is a whole tier under an emperor to the point it takes 2 to contain one or 3 of them to beat one, this should have been literally an existential crisis for the whole world. Normal captains in the New World are going to be beating most Vice Admirals. The power balance breaks if the gap is this big. The warlords don't make up for it, they never did. They were a means for accommodating for the weakness of the lower marine ranks without bolstering emperor crews.
How can it widen the gap when luffy was completely done for 😭 kizaru was literally speaking with saturn that he needs a bit while luffy was going mute with no power left 😭 just shows that it was a draw while kizaru wasnt even trying to fight luffy
Luffy gassed out after his fight with Lucci too. You are focussing on the wrong thing. Just think about what it took to take Big Mom and Kaido down, and compare that to Kizaru.
neither was Luffy. Luffy went down because his df consumed his stamina. Kizaru went down cause Luffy punched his lights out. the reasoning makes a different. Speed is the only thing Kizaru got over Luffy.
bro why do people ignore that luffy is done bcz of stamina issue not because he got KO''ed by kizaru. What happens when someone like kaido and shanks fight kizaru? These guys don't have stamina issue.
@@jamieseekle2357Umm big mom is not even comparable to Kiado, she her self said that. Didn't Kiado get knock down the same way with a weaker version of the attack luffy did to kizaru? Hmm stop coping.
I just know Oda waiting for the right time to bring out the Admirals awakenings. Think about it, how many Logia have we actually really seen in OP, it’s a plethora of Zoan and paramecia in the story but where all the Logia at??? We seen Ace but he died, Smokers barely get screen time for now, and the rest of the Logia the admirals and Dragon have them which are all end game characters yes including smoker is end game. Oda is definitely pulling out Logia awakenings when the fights really matter and the stakes are high. Think about it would we be hype for Logia awakenings if we already seen what they can do? I think Oda is gonna surprise us all 🙌🏾
Shanks divine departure and Roger's divine departure has completely different intents though. Roger's divine departure was meant to be a greeting so I'm pretty sure he didn't put his 100% into it. Shanks divine departure on the other hand had intent to kill/immobilize his enemies completely. After seeing in his future sight what Kid's attack does to his fleet, he completely went "kill now" mode.
I think the attack that Luffy did on Kizaru would do major damage to shanks as well. He’s not durable like big mom Kaido or white beard or even oden because there born different. Luffys durability is way stronger then shanks because of he’s rubber devil fruit. Shanks has speed and haki AP but if he gets hit just like Kizaru shanks gets rocked but still doesn’t lose
Yall keep forgetting Luffy came off from fighting Seraphims, Lucci in Gear 5. Then to go and hold off an Admiral in Gear 5 again. That is at least 3 times using Gear 5 if he used it against the Seraphims. Both Luffy and Kizaru at 100% would be a different Story.
The cope is insane from Admiral stans. 1st it's Kizaru and Luffy faught to a stalemate, and both KO'd each other.... then it's "Kizaru wasn't feeling the fight". The facts regardless of your feeling is, Luffy hit Kizaru 1 time, and Kizaru could no longer fight. Even Saint Saturn acknowledged Nika was too much. That's the CANON fact. Let's stop with the cope lol.
Yeah the thing with power scaling One Piece is we don’t know the true strength of some characters. It was obvious that Kizaru’s heart was not in the mission and that Luffy was only stalling. The fight did not display the actual depth of these characters and their abilities. People also forget Kaido had a mythical Dragon Fish fruit with crazy endurance combined with his race so he should be able to tank more than the more human Admirals and even characters like Mihawk and Shanks but they probably have higher AOE and DC.
What?! so you think Kizaru kicking Luffy out the dome was him not trying? Kizaru was trying to Kill Vegapunk, what made you say he was not trying? Any pages in particular I can check? or is it just your feelings?
@@justhere6507 Its not that simple dog. Perfect example, Garp and Ace. Garp didnt want Ace to be executed, his heart wasn't in it, but he still did his job to guard Ace from the WB pirates. The only time he faltered and gave in was when he chose to stay down from Luffy's punch and when Ace died and he was genuinely going to try and kill Akainu. Emotions, morals, and context 100% matter when looking at fights, and it's clear here that Kizaru was having an internal struggle during this whole mission. He still got low diffed tho lol.
they are comparing luffy struggling against big mom in whole cake to him dealing with kizaru in egg head. ofc luffy is gonna have an easier time because he is a YONKOU now. put kizaru in whole cake at that time and luffy would have still had to run and make it a rescue and escape mission. there would have been no beating kizaru at that point in time. so i don’t understand why twilight is so upset
Kizaru spent most of the fight running trying to extend Luffy’s G5 so he can tire out instead of fighting. If Kizaru decided to actually stand on business and fight Luffy he would’ve ended up like Lucci. If Kizaru could’ve stopped Luffy he would’ve so stop with the excuses.
@@boooboooo1892 I’m confused according to the Admiral fanboys I’ve talked to they said Kizaru wasn’t trying to kill Vegapunk but now it’s that he was trying to complete his mission. Which is it?
@@aimanimran4565 cope?? Everyone knows luffy beats kizaru one vs one but how can you power scale and admiral without seen he’s awakening knowing what happen in punk hazard.
I mean....lets be honest most debates in the OP community end up as "who is Zoro stronger than" and "Yonko vs Admirals" when there's a bigger picture. Even though we're reading the same story things people interpret different is fascinating to me. The "powerscaling' finatics are the most hilarious to me. While we have thought provoking topics like human rights in the OP world and lore to apply to our own lives....you also have the other part of the fandom like "HE DEFINITELY HIT 50% HARDER THAN THE LAST 2 GUYS BASED OFF OF BLACK SPARKS SO I KNOW I'M RIGHT AND ODA WROTE IT WRONG BECAUSE I'M BIASED!" 😂 Heard specifically from the Tier 3 many times that if their agenda isn't fulfilled then it's "Oda's bad writing".😂
My dude if you think One Piece is Intellectual reading you may need to expand your awareness of Literature. One Piece Demographic is Teenage boys who like battle manga and Boobs. Sigmund Freud is a good Start.
@@Par-Blindspot never said it was intellectual reading. Just stating what Oda personally is putting into the world and it isn't just fights though they occur and move the story along. People tend to be hyper focused and very passionate about it. Also I read a lot my dude. Actually writing 2 books as we speak and I love looking at things beyond what is on the surface. Psychology on how people act during certain situations is very interesting and Freud would agree lol. Also don't have to have a degree in literature and psychology to have something being "thought provoking". Any topic can bring up a good discussion/conversation.
Agreed, It just sounded to me like you didn't understand the demographic Oda has always aimed at. I don't think he would consider his manga as an educational piece on Slavery and Governmental Authority. Its for Cool Fights and Boobs.Which is why Powerscaling is so popular.@@djgoku7774
lol hes doing a Amazing job for a Teenage boys battle manga, ive read alot of pirate historic literature Oda is doing a great job adding nuances. I dont think Sigmund Freud is a good Start there have been numerous criticisms and debunkings of Sigmund Freud's theories since their inception Freud's work is not considered a comprehensive or definitive explanation of human behavior and psychology.Freud's personal experiences and biases may have influenced his theories for example, his experiences with patients and his own self-analysis shaped his ideas in ways that are not universally applicable.his work still has historical significance but many of Freud's specific theories have been challenged and debunked.I would go for Jung as a first read but it still depends on you @@Par-Blindspot
No one said to start with Freud for an understanding of psychology. It was stated as a good start for Intellectual reading. Did you not read the comment?@@supersmashman1993
This overanalyzing is crazy, Kizaru HP bar is gone??? he is stunned, he's body is in good shape and he can still talk fine. That was battle clearly a draw, not to mention Kizaru is not aligned with his current goal (internal struggle) while Luffy is. Luffy and Kizaru are really close in power.
People want admirals to be end game so badly 😂 we have imu, gorosei, holy knights, and blackbeard to worry about with shanks maybe somewhere down the line. Admirals i will say are stepping stones towards end game thats all they are. Yonko>admiral>YC1 with admirals being closer to 1st commanders its okay let it run its course
Nah you’re just being oblivious to the simple fact that kizaru was uninterested in fighting and more on the defence simply due to priorities. U can’t just say nonsense to support a silly agenda.
@@NphiniT Greenbull wasn’t fighting shanks it’s simple common sense😂. Don’t refer to someone as a clown if you’re failing to comprehend that entire situation.
At the end of the day luffy isn’t gonna be fighting the admirals, sanji/zoro are gonna be fighting them, luffy just is gonna be fighting the higher tiers
@@shinkai9kami162 How the frick is your point relevant? The fact is Kizaru, without really focusing on Luffy, was strong enough to push him to use all his stamina, be out cold, and almost be eradicated by Saint Jay Garcia. Kizaru is still awake and talking. I'm not going to join this echo chamber of copium.
@@shinkai9kami162 Luffy couldn't beat katakuri without a handicap that's why he literally stabbed himself in his chest. With your logic Luffy didn't beat katakuri, he beat himself.
This the type of video I was waiting for. After all these years of people saying Lufffy is just gonna get One Sided after fighting someone like Kaido. After seeing what Luffy can do, it definitely makes sense why Sengoku was extra prepared during Marineford
There's no logical explanation for why luffy didn't use acoc from the start of the fight , if he did he wouldn't even need gear 5 with how we saw kizaru deal with just one acoc attack Plot armor protected kizaru
Well he needed G5 as he kicked Luffy out of Gear 4 with one attack (We see the smoke trailing behind him as all the times when Luffy is knocked out of gear 4 there is always smoke trailing) and the speed difference. We also see Kizaru is not really in the fight he is mentally nerfed and weakened resolve as he doesn’t want to kill his best friends Vegapunk and Sentomaru, and we seen in the show if you are hesitant and don’t have resolve you aren’t at your full strength. I think Kizaru def doesnt have Kaido/BM durability and he’s more of a evasive/counter fighter as he has the strength to continually match G5 in speed and blows but ofc luffy’s final attack surprised him a bit as he spun off kizaru’s attack in a weird way and hit him straight in the brain with ACOC+G3 muscle baloon and fire amped he’ll be dazed on the floor. I don’t think anyone else besides tanky people like kaido/bm who dont have human durability will stand up immediately after that.
@@myst2761 People have this weird admiral hate agenda that they need to pick out every little thing despite through out the entire story there's been constant things or people intervening with their fights that prevent them from fighting all out people like to harp at Kizaru being "Immobilized" On the ground from 1 shot but Luffy is literally a deflated old man that's barely coherent from the same attack while Kizaru is wide away perfectly Coherent just unable to move his body at the current moment. (Which IMO ) is just a plot device to GAS up the Saint Saturn and not take away anything from his moment in the spotlight.
@@myst2761, the standard is not human level durability. It's ACOC. Kizaru doesn't have it and was therefore oneshotted. Same thing happened to Luffy until he unlocked it. This isn't complicated.
Luffy defended the crew from Kizaru and put him on his ass before he hit his time limit. Given his past history with with power ups and their debuffs, I'd say he he did pretty well to handle Kizaru. Everyone else will be fine cause it's One Piece so Straw Hat dub pretty much
Bro admiral haters make less sense than yonko haters honestly. Kol’s friends are just acting like logia awakenings won’t happen&Akainu isn’t an endgame villain💀
@@Par-Blindspot oh you know the island that’s permanently half ice half magma. Almost 1100 chapters in&Oda still puts respect on the admirals because YONKO luffy sees Kizaru as a very strong opponent and YONKO Blackbeard ran from Akainu.
What?!! So what happened at Punk Hazard? That's right, you dont know cause it was off panel. Luffy said the Scabbards were strong when he met them in Zou. Tell me is Dogman and Cat Viper really strong? Black beard ran from Akainu cause he didn't have a ship and there was so advantage to be gained from fighting him and awhole Battleship with soldiers. You grabbing at Straws fam.@@Dbonesburneraccount
my Issue with the whole "gap widened" conversation is that to me anyway kizaru came out looking better in then luffy in that fight and while yes he's on the ground I think that's less to with ability to fight and more to do with character and his lazy justice in that he defers to sataturn. also they weren't fighting in the same way he was fighting kido or even rob luchi for a more conclusive look on the fight I think we should wait for the return from the lash back
they forgetting to put that 1. luffy already went g5 once that day and fought till he was tired 2. luffy went thru the light barrier that vaporizes EVERYTHING twice (he even stated he almost died) if luffy was full health kizaru gets folded easily
It is very clear Luffy was stronger than Kizaru, if Kizaru and Luffy stare what do you think Luffy will do??, luffy would never hit Kizaru, he is literally just protecting vegapunk, I think the entire fight Kizaru was trying to hit Vegapunk, no a single attack could surpass luffy (this is already a proof Luffy is way stronger than Kizaru cause it means Luffy only uses as much power as Kizaru so he is retaining his full power), Kizaru starts to realize he is doing nothing and risk to get hit in order to effectively hit Vegapunk, he couldn’t and because Luffy was running out of stamina he had to put Kizaru to sleep with One shot without retaining his power, Kizaru was K.O. Luffy never hits first against Kizaru the entire fight, even the first encounter is a Luffy kick as a response to protect his crew, he is only protecting, even that kick wasn’t with intention to damage Kizaru. The entire fight is Luffy playing with Kizaru and Kizaru wanting to hit vegapunk, he isn’t trying hit Luffy but actually does because Luffy always block all kizarus attack, this is to say Kizaru never land a critical hit meant for Luffy and Luffy never hit Kizaru to hurt him, bro he literally throw him away when we could just hold it for the entire time and nothing happened, Luffy with that throw only shows he was in completely control over Kizaru and both knew that. Luffy didn’t put all his stamina in that hit, his stamina has getting so low that he ended the fight with one hit. Luffy is much more powerfull than Kizaru, at least shown at the moment, I am sure when Luffy fights Saturn, and Kizaru vs Zoro and Sanj then Kizaru will display all his effort into actually fight and there we will se Kizaru is actually not that far away from Yonko (like advanced conquerors or awakening logia).
Wack take. When have you ever seen someone put Stamina into an attack?! LOLOL WTF I tried to understand what you typed but it is incoherent and hard as fk to do so I gave up.
Yonko's are just interested in their Territories, not with Fighting with the World Government or Marines Even Luffy is more interested in being Pirate King and helping his friends then overthrowing the World Goverment Luffy was told he was tired by Kaido, Luffy denied it, then turned into the melting drained old man(A Looney Toon Gag) but Kaido called out the Gag by yelling "Who the hell are you!!!!"😹 Same with Kizaru, Kizaru. Said arent you Tired from using that form yet? And after He white gun Kizaru in his head he said " okay,now I'm tired" and Did his Old Man gag This is going back back to Luffy not being hot,cold,poisoned,burned by acid or tired unless someone,usually Nami, asks him.......then she calls him a idiot when he overreacts in a cartoony way(turns blue and shivers when cold,turns with steam off his head and "melts" when hot,steam comes off Burt part and throbs from acid, poisonedis moaning semi comatoses for both Magellan and The Rock Fish Shin)......the imagination is a powerful thing and Luffy was always inspired by his devilfruit spirit to do silly things cause its funny If his crew was in real danger he'd stop the gag like he did vs Kaido (he got up when Kaido talked about honor in death and folk tales, cause he isnt about that bullshit) Gear 4th is "Afro Luffy" stage 2, and Gear ,5th is "Afro Luffy" on Looneytoons .........nobody is beating Looneytoon powers like declaring to blast Kaido to hell and that destruction Ryo Haki blast sent Kaido through the Earth and to the lava (hell/abyss) Only reason Luffy hasnt flushed Kizaru away by making a giant toilet handle appear is he didnt think of it Nikka is the name of the god trapped in "The Mask", FYI. Oda didnt make it up. Oda is a Jim Carey fan,so......
Luffy completely won that fight. Luffy lost to himself while Kizaru lost to Luffy. Anybody that says otherwise is either a complete moron or is just saying this just to hate on king of lightning for the sake of it. Come on people this is literally 2 + 2 = 4.
What narrative sense would it make for luffy to be weaker than the admiral that put his crew through hell back at sabaody at this point in time? NONE. Which is why the outcome of this fight for me was clear as day
@@smananderson09don’t forget that luffy has to go though barriers twice in order to continue his fight against that admiral so even when luffy was little bit nerfed luffy was able to defeatan admiral
Luffy basically one-shotted Kizaru (with an attack that isn't even his strongest one as we very well know) while he's out due to the exhaustion of using Gear 5th, it's clear who is superior here.
@@x3jamesjamjam672 It still only took one clean attack to make Kizaru fall and not being able to stand up for quite a period of time, even if you say that this was a draw (neither of them were going at it seriously to begin with so that's irrelevant) it's clear who is superior when Luffy did take some attacks as well as being "damaged" yet continued like nothing while the Admiral fell in one.
In the case of Kizaru 1: People like to forget. How this fight started. Luffy runs up for a kick, then in the next cut we have Kizaru casually fending off Snakeman and subsequently speed blitzing Luffy's fastest form. 2: Kizaru has the speed feats to run the timer on G5 while DISTRACTED. 3: Kaido took a SIGNIFICANTLY weaker version of this hit with the head cave in. AND he was still on his back for bit. Granted he was stunned due to shock not inability to get up. 4: Kizaru is a dude. If any non monster esk entity takes a hit like that. They aren't shrugging it off. This is a game of tag and he caught him off guard at the buzzer beater. Cause again Kizaru is not all there in terms of combating Luffy. 5: When Kizaru gets the order to directly fight Luffy. It's a different fight entirely. Ultimately Luffy will win ofc. But his scenario under these circumstances is not as bad as people are making it out be.
I don't get the need for constant power-scaling. As though the world's interactions work on a purely linear basis. It's more complex and dynamic than that. Think Nen - Certain conditions give rise to certain biases, strengths and weaknesses. You may not be victorious in all circumstances. Its as though unless it's explicitly stated, people can't understand this. Remember: The Three Great Powers, stated Post-Enies Lobby, were the Marine HQ, the Seven Warlords and the Yonkou. The balance was maintained as such: Yonkou = Marine HQ + Warlords. Essentially, the New World and "Paradise". By that logic, the Admirals were always going to pale in comparison to the Yonkou. So, it's senseless to power-scale and argue about it now. Furthermore, the central plot and cast will always be the core focus of the story and not the supporting characters for the sake of rudimentary power-scaling. You guys ought to be smarter than this.
Kol & Pals I gotta say the my favourite out of the tier 3s atm has to be the girl hardly every speaks over people and when she talks shes straight to the point
Not even claiming Kizaru is over Luffy by any means, but I think Kizaru could have a better showing than he did in this chapter. Kizaru was prioritizing Vegapunk and trying to ignore Luffy, then when he did decide to fight him he underestimated him and got caught off guard by Luffys power. Still a loss for sure, but if they were both fresh and Kizaru fought him again knowing he is an actual threat I think he would be harder to put down than he was in this fight. I do think the Admirals are still a threat to the straw hats, because Sanji and Zoro can not beat an Admiral as easily as Luffy can. I do think the main contenders against Luffy will be the Gorosei, Holy Knights, and of course Imu. I also now think Akainu will be an enemy for Sabo at this point though because by the time Luffy has a chance to fight him he will be leagues above him, unless Akainu is truly a tier above Kizaru which I really don't think they are that far apart. Also we still havent seen an Admiral go all out like Punk Hazard all out. Like I said I still don't think they beat Luffy, but they are still stronger than we see even here.
This makes 0 sense kol. I cant believe youre gonna say kaido is stronger than luffy. Luffy was literally on death's door and defeated kaido. So imagine if he wasnt fatigued and isnt at critical health. Yes kaido wasnt in best health as well but he wasnt nearly as hurt as luffy was.
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This wasn't toxic, it was radioactive
Yonko over Admirals by a long shot, but Admirals are FAR from irrelevant and it's ridiculous to even think that.
based on what?
@@gungoesbrr4718 Based on the fact we still have an entire final war against the Marines/World Gov to deal with
They are irrelevant
@@donnig5053 Aight bet, explain
These fools couldn't even beat old whitebeard
Videos like this display how bad the One Piece community is at power scaling.
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Can’t blame the One Piece community. The characters all grow so independently and their powers are used in such creative ways that it’s borderline impossible to power scale with precision.
@@AzetheRealpower scaling is mostly having basic reading skills
you are 100% right was thinking the same thing its indeed having basic reading skills ,thats why the girl was schooling them @@WesleyZ3
One Piece community aint really the brightest bunch
9:22 “only you are saying that, you are literally the only person “😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 she had me dying
Who is she?
I have yonko over admirals and luffy won this "battle" given the win condition was keeping Vegapunk alive, but it hasn't moved the needle for me. We just went into a flashback where present time basically comes to a standstill. If we get out of flashback and kizaru still can't move for a period of time, then ok cool he got one shot because regardless of him not focusing on luffy the fact is he didn't have the durability or endurance to shrug off the white star gun. But if he conveniently gets back up as soon as the flashback ends then at that point i wouldn't even call it a one shot and its just Oda creating a means to an end to bench the strongest guys on each side to segway into the kuma flashback.
Didn't Kizaru say in the official translation that he won't be able to move for a while.
@@udithsethu552 depending on how long the flashback is in the eyes of the readers it will have been a while once we get back to the present but in story time it could be just a could minutes.
@shadelle11 Oda needs Kizaru down, so he's not getting up until he has to flee the island, probably because of the giant robot.
Luffy is in toon force universe while in gear 5. The only limitation he has is the side effect, losing stamina very quick. We are in the final saga, we cant have multiple arcs and an admiral as the main villain in each. Remember, we still have the BB pirates and the goroseis. If theres gonna be a main villain fight with the marines its gotta be Sakazuki.
What Im trying to say is The likes of Kizaru, Fujitora or Greenbull are not the star of the marines no more for Luffy to fight, Luffy has BIGGER fishes to catch.
@@09croix21 what does this have to do with what i said? i am well aware that the only admiral that luffy might have an all out fight with is akainu.
Idk. I cant really tell. It sort of seems like kizaru is not really into the fight. Maybe its bothering him to fight sentomaru and vegapunk. Just seems a bit off.
That's the thing right there. Why are people power scaling so early?
Almost every scene of Kizaru is him distracted with his actual mission
Bro just stop
what you describe is exactly what happened…. But hey for powerscaling sake lets pretend it was a 1-1 , beat the other type of fight
I think the main reason everyone is arguing is because people said luffy would get washed by kizaru and it didn’t happen so now agendas are flying out the ass lol I was rooting for luffy to win too
One thing i've noticed is that in every single admiral encounter the win condition is never to simply beat the admiral.
Water 7 vs Aokiji win condition: protect the crew
Sabaody vs Kizaru win condition: escape
Marineford win condition: save Ace
Dressrosa vs Fujitora win condition: escape
Holy Land vs Fujitora and Ryokugyu win condition: recuse Kuma, declare war, destroy food supply
Wano vs Ryokugyu win condition: survive
Egghead vs Kizaru win condition: protect Vegapunk
The Admirals are clearly portrayed as elite units that can accomplish missions due to their strength AND wide variety of abilities.
The yonko are portrayed as beasts that bend reality to their will.
I see it like this.
Yonko will come out on top If they get the 1v1 but admirals will handle chaotic situations better where they can play with time or their surroundings
@@woraz96this yonko>admiral in power
I have noticed that the admirals can never truly go all out (except for Greenbull, but he'd have to fight, Shanks, Luffy and their Crews so RIP) so they can never use their awakening
Yeah I don’t why people are trying to compare admirals to Yonkos when they’ve never actually had a legitimate fight like Akainu vs Aokiji
@@woraz96I wouldn’t say yonko > admirals in a 1v1 , till this day we haven’t seen 1 admiral go all out or even use their full strength and the one time we heard abt it, it was a 10 day fight that transformed a entire island but it was still off screen 💀and they still seem to be comparable.
*There is no gap.* Oda’s being consistent with the power system. Zoans are most durable which is why kaido ate luffy’s attacks. You can’t expect the same stats for other characters like kizaru. I expect logia stats to have more destructive power and area of effect
It’s not just Zoan effect, even before his df Kaido was notoriously sturdy and unkillable.
And with Acoc he definitely had more attack power anything kizaru put out.
He’s an oni after all
Kaido can cause way more damage than kizaru. Stop copeing admirals just aren’t yonko level not even close. Every yonko can one tap them 😂 except buggy and maybey bb if he is fraudulent bc bro hasn’t done anything more impressive then barley beat law yet 😂 but the three confirmed gods kaido luffy shanks and even big mom can prob one tap admirals with their strongest attacks and 2-3 tap them like luffy just did with mid attacks 😂
No one expects the same stats from Kizaru as Kaidou. But if you think in terms of sanity and consistency, then you can surely realize that this "one-hit" is a fucking exaggeration. Of course, it's not a one-hit in the sense that Kizaru is still conscious, but from that one hit he fell to the floor and he himself admits that he won't be able to move for a while. It's pathetic, especially pathetic when I consider that characters presumably weaker than Kizaru got up from every fucking Yonkou attack.
There absolutely is a gap. But like KOL said not all Yonko are the created equally and the same goes for Admirals. So the gap between let’s say Shanks or Kaido and Fuji or Greenbull is massive. While between those two and Akainu or Aokiji as of now there is still a gap but it’s much smaller. Keep in mind all of this being a straight fresh 1v1 because of course outside interference or previous damage/stamina drain can change the outcome. Overall from everything we’ve seen I think it’s safe to say in general it would take two Admirals to soundly bring down a Yonko. Otherwise a win for Admirals vs the stronger Yonko is extreme diff at best. Also the Luffy “one tapping” Kizaru is just ridiculous since both are still conscious and on the ground.
@@SpaceTriangles67 Why would that particular gap be much smaller for Akainu or Aokiji than for any other admiral?
It's not that complicated, when kaido took a similar hit he was down on the ground for some time (of course it was much less, but still). Admirals have the capacity to deal a lot of damage, even comparable to yonko levels, and evade many attacks, but ultimately when compared to them, they're like glass cannons.
Well only Kizaru to be fair, he’s also mentally nerfed and lacking resolve here. He doesn’t seem to be in the fight atm, we seen Aokiji be able to tank Garp’s acoc blows and get up i’d imagine Akainu’s would be even higher. Idk I feel like coming out of the Kaido/BM arc we can’t be used for people to have their durability as the other main enemies just have human bodies besides other zoans.
@@myst2761true but luffys had used g5 before I feel the only reason lucci even showed up was so luffy wouldn’t be able to recharge
@@zairea.4605 that was a day prior tho they spent the night im pretty sure
@@myst2761 last time luffy used g5 twice he was out for a week but I hear u
I think the reveal that the gorosei are fighters puts the nail in the coffin. We don’t know exactly how strong they are, but Saturn’s demeanor makes me believe he’s at least stronger than Kizaru. I mean, if Kizaru was actually the strongest WG fighter on that island and Luffy just defeated him, wouldn’t Saturn be shitting himself? If Kizaru was final boss material, why is he down but Saturn is still throwing hands?
Makes sense
No? Luffy is out of the count right now and the first thing Saturn did was try to finish him off. Way to early to say Saturn is over Admirals
@@donnieward6287none of what you said makes any sense, I hope you realize that.
@calvinnguyen1870 how tf did that not make sense? Luffy isn't a threat right now and Saturn still tried to attack him before anyone. So obviously he's scared or threatened
@@donnieward6287
So let me get this straight.
You think that Saturn, *one of the highest ranking officials in the WG,* attacking Luffy, *an enemy of the WG,* means that Saturn is feeling scared?
And therefore Kizaru, who is currently *flat on his ass,* might still be stronger?
Did I get that right?
Holy hell this video was full of smooth brains…
Oh boy. I'd love to see Kol, Jay D legend, and BDA on a call debating
Bring back Ty and throw him into the mix 😂
Kizaru turnt into tom holland after luffy,
Told the gorosei "i dont feel so good!" 😅😅😅
SYL spits facts whenever she speaks man 🎉
facts
Honestly, I think Logia's are, not quite glass cannons, but can get hurt badly when you are able to bypass the invulnerability with Haki. Against lower tier fighters, they're fine, but once you get into that range of heavy hitters like a Luffy, WB or Kaido, it has much more if an effect. I wouldn't be surprised if the reason Kizaru got rocked so badly, was because he hadn't been hit like that in a long time.
They're probably not used to getting hit at all. Especially by ACoC.
This, they probably don't have much physical durability because more often than not, they didn't need it. It's not often they go up against high level Haki fighters, Zoans and other types do not have the luxury of being naturally invulnerable and have to work on their physical durability and stamina, more..
@@XBullitt16Xthis is what I think Akainu will be like end boss, picture Garp with a magma fruit but not as busted haki 😳
The chick is right about the power scaling discussion
You guys are forgetting that Kizaru is a speedster type. He's probably the frailest of the admirals.
Didn't he literally say his defense was even better than Sentomaru's; a character who's known for having very strong defense?
Combat stat trope 101
@@FMF6A True, but as stated by Zephyre Kizaru tends to rely too much on his DF so like Katakuri he's probably not used to getting hit even compared to other logias.
Thats like saying sanji is the weakest of the big 4 because he is the quickest
@@DhirC35 I'm not using it as a rule. But Kizaru when we see him typically just dodges stuff and again he's a logia. And also Z says he relies to much on his DF so his armament might not be the best.
Just trying to counter the people saying that there's an immeasurable gap between yonko and admirals when there's further context and ststs are not all proportional.
That girl is right yall power scale to much sometimes .
and so early to.
You guys also have to remember not everybody is going accordingly to power scaling, like stan led said sometimes it depends on plot.
The plot IS the power scaling. The story determines the scaling, the scaling doesn’t determine the story- it’s just bad story writing when the powerscaling is wonky because that means the reasons characters can do or fight or beat one another are unexplained. You boys are dumb ass hell 😂😂😂
@@ShesBearynice Luffy beat crocodile bro
Keep in mind this was a G5 Luffy that had already been in G5 not too long before this fight. This was also a Luffy that went through the barrier twice. He was already gassed going into the end of this fight.
Luffy transcended off the power scaling charts the moment he went Gear 5th. The guy bends reality and makes the show Looney Toons mode like, that power alone will beat anyone in the verse. The only thing that will stop him from running through every Admiral, God's Knight and Yonko right now is Story and Stamina. Stamina is always how Oda has limited Luffy's forms and the more he uses it, the longer he can maintain it. Then obviously, Luffy just no diffing the entire rest of the cast would not be interesting, so Oda had to put some sort of reasoning as to why he cant just beat Kizaru right here and also beat Saturn. That reason, is stamina, and the fact that he already has transformed into Gear 5th like 3 times since getting to Egg Head which is probably only like a day or 2 in universe. and also has fought Seraphim, Lucci etc.
Don't forget that the Gorosei literally that the Nika Zoan DF only limitation is the user's imagination, which means that this DF power is OP as long as it's user has infinite imagination in using their cartoon physic reality bending powers.
Youre extremely incorrect lol stop coping. His speed, endurance, durability, haki, etc. is still not good enough as well as stamina stop coping luffy hasnt shown anything putting him above shanks or kaido
@@izzybar9470 coping what exactly? I said that Luffy now has a power that theoretically should be able to no diff the entire verse. Like there isnt much stopping Luffy from grabbing the ground and rebounding a Kamu Sari back at Shanks or something. Obviously this will not happen now but Luffy's power is all imagination. That power is far beyond like just Fire Manipulation or something.
Currently at least the Gorosei seem to be Immortal. But Luffy's power is all imagination BTW he has incredible durability, speed, haki now. He's not faster than Kizaru and his Haki is not better than Shanks and no I dont expect Luffy to win if he fought Shanks right now. Im just saying his power is broken, and the only thing stopping him from beating ANYONE right now is just because Oda doesnt WANT him to yet. (I know that seems like an obvious statement but hopefully someone understands what im saying)
@@xzalean vro you actually cannot read. He is faster than kizaru he literally blitzed him and his power is not broken. Luffy got hp boosts against kaido and 2 tries in gear 5 and it was still extreme diff against a non fp kaido that took so much internal damage
Only One Piece powerscalers can powerscale when there wasnt even a fight.
One of the two was focused on his objective, while the other wanted to take him down
Dumb take. Please read the Manga, they fought each other.
@@Par-Blindspotthey clashed* and that's about it
Yonko>admirals. But the bias is INSANE in OP community. In any anime if your ability damages yourself its on YOU to leave your oponent in a worse state than you when youre done, be that killed or knocked out or whatever. Kizarus durability is absolutely in the mud, but regardless of how you get there, if both cant move but both are still concious they are in the exact same state and its a draw. Doesnt matter if luffys was self caused. Its on luffy for allowing kizaru to stall him out. 2 people fight and both left unable to move and somehow yall coping one won.The ONLY argument for luffy>kizaru is that luffy was already exhausted from going g5 against lucci, because the fight itself was a draw regardless of g5 timer cope
Wow someone with a brain😂
THISSS. If goku used kaioken or might guy used 8 gates at the end if they in the same state its a draw. Idk why people acting as if you get a free pass for being out just cause its self inflicted. Thats on you
"bbbbbut its differennnnnt" 😂
Sad you have to preface it with a yonko>admirals or else people would just cry and cope that your an admiral stan
It is different tho, imagine luffy didn't have this problem with gear 5th than this exchange would simply be a win for luffy straight up, kizaru failed to do his job regardless of how he felt mentally and he couldn't stall luffy enough to do anything of value after all is said and done luffy won this exchange simply by knocking kizaru to the ground by force rather than them both failing to complete their respective tasks, it's ignorance to think luffy and kizaru are on equal terms as of right now only cause luffy has run out of energy in gear 5 had he said to the readers that kizaru made him push himself to a limit rather than just reaching his limit naturally than I'd be more inclined to agree but he hasn't, therefore luffy won this exchange and miniscule as a win it is, it's still a win none the less and luffy had other opponents other than kizaru that night too like the seraphim . Not fair to say they're the same. it's quite disrespectful to the character to think that a task like holding off an admiral is a hard job for any yonko except buggy
I might have Yonko over Admiral and believe it takes two Admirals to beat a Yonko. But saying Luffy one tapped Kizaru and the gap widened is crazy. Especially since Kizaru is still conscious and Luffy is down too.
3 YC1 = 1 Admiral 2 Admiral = 1 Yonko 1 Pirate King = 1.5 Yonko.
LOL Luffy was using haki during all of his battles on egghead before KIzaru showed up. He getting Wooped by a Fresh Luffy.
@@zigazdovc6175 tf
Admiral = yonko, garp and sengoku prove this
Luffy is down because of gear 5 not because of anything kizaru did . Yonko beats all 3 admiral’s simultaneously
The only correct answer to Yonko Vs Admiral was answered in Egghead by Luffy vs Lucci. It goes YC1
Reading and understanding is hard in the op community because of all the bias going on ......
Thank you so one said it lol
Cope
@@justhere6507 Aight
@@justhere6507 you clearly one of them Twitter bandit 😂😂😂😂
Yeah it can get pretty evident that some people have low reading comprehension in the community. Especially when people focus on power and throw things like a character's morals, beliefs, and connections out the window
Is it okay to assume this order?:
Yonko> Holy Knights> Gorosei/Admirals> First Division Commanders? IMU and Dragon are the wild cards in this.
Pretty accurate.
Kizaru spent the entire time saying how he didn't want to kill vegapunk and Saturn confirmed that Kizaru is acting unusually slow. This "draw" between Kizaru and Luffy is only due to plot. Kizaru is about to leave WG to save Sentomaru and Vegapunk. The flip is coming
Cope and cope. He said he didnt want to do it but he knows his role as a cog in the machine, and tried to kill VP by shooting a laser at him. He might end up flipping now yes but that doesn´t mean he wasnt about to do his job before Saturn showed up.
Saturn said Kizaru was slow in executing the order of killing VP and directly after he says "but I understand why, giving the circumstances," while looking at Luffy.
Saturn didn´t confirm that Kizaru was slow because Kizaru was hesitating, Saturn confirmed that he was slow because Luffy stopped him
@MrSub132 cope. Luffy asked kizaru why he wants to kill vegapunk and Kizaru flies off saying " You think I want to kill vegapunk". Luffy chases after and uses white star gun. Saturn's says "given the circumstances " in regards to the kizaru obviously having to get around Nika but kill vegapunk and Sentomaru on top of it. The emotional aspect matters. That's what the previous chapters and kizaru flashback was.
@@Dreallday20 I already stated that KIzaru doesnt want to kill vegapunk but he also said he is a cog in the machine AND that killing vp is his top priority.
He litterally fired a lazer at vegapunk so the argument of he doesnt actually want to kill him therefore he's stalling on purpose and not ending luffy and vegapunk because of his feelings when its clearly stated he does his job regardless of his feelings as long as he can do it his way.
He failed cause of Luffy end of story. thats what the story LITTERALLY shows you.
He's not taking a hit on purpose, he tried to kill vegapunk mid fight. He just failed.
De emotional aspect matters story wise but not powerscaling wise. So you're the one coping
@MrSub132 kizaru shot a key out of luffy hand in marineford you actually think kizaru would have missed a giant shuttle
@@Dreallday20If Kizaru didn’t actually want to kill Vegapunk then why was he running from Luffy the entire fight?
Him not turning into an old man after Wano is so simple honestly. He passed out after he beat Kaido. It took him a while to wake up to tell Momo that he didn't want the people of Wano to know about him. Look at each time he turns old, he is always still conscious when he comes out of Gear 5 and goes old. Even now, he isn't unconscious. When Franky punched him, he made grunts and he is still making noise while Franky grabs him. He's awake.
Yeah he is just drained to the balls right now
I bet if he eat meat he will revive back to full power
Its like he ran out of battery
I think there’s a Gap, but not a Gap that’s tremendous. I truly believe if an Admiral comes in with the mindset to literally destroy or fight to the death it’ll be different. I think we forget the damage Aokiji vs Akainu did to an island. There literally a walking buster call. I don’t think Kizarus mindset was beating Luffy . I think it was mission first with him and Saint Saturn even stated you’re in a way yiur not your usual self. Luffys job was to protect Vegapunk while also showing Kizaru how far he’s come from Saobody . Yonko>Admiral>>1st Commanders>>>>>>>Vice admirals lol
Bruh 1 yonko crew cant take down the entire WG. Yonko are definitely probably the strongest individuals in the world but the WG is better stacked. 3 admirals, 5 gorosei, seraphim, vice admirals, giant squadron, holy knights is definitely more then any yonko crew can handle. You may just need all 4 yonko crews to beat them wholeheartedly
Personally, don’t know if someone’s said this but I think luffy having stamina issues is due to him using his devil fruit inefficiently, he doesn’t know he’s a zoan user otherwise he might be able to use his forms more effectively and with his awakening as well. Idk just my thoughts on the whole stamina issue.
I agree with you.
I think that Luffy, just isn't used to his new endurance limitations, and wasn't taking the fight as seriously as he should have. I mean he said it himself. he was only there to stall kizaru, I don't think he really had the motivation to go all out against an opp that he didn't feel strongly about defeating
I agree, it was only when Franky made that desperate call for Luffy to do something that I think that’s the moment where Luffy realized that like damn, enough messing around. I gotta put this guy down rn
Poor Usopp getting choked didn't move Luffy at all lol. It's also funny how both Kizaru and Kaido could identify when Luffy was at his limit, must be their battle experience showing.
If Luffy fix his MP, like increasing it by 4x fold, he will be unstoppable.
That's why he hasn't yet. The story needs him to have low Stamina or he becomes broken and he's not even in his prime most reach their prime at age 30-40
Honestly I think that the most important things that Luffy needs to train are
1-his stamina
2-his adv coc
3-his devil fruit
I agree with stamina and df but I think his advcoc is pretty well advanced. Just a matter of using it more. He’s got it down pretty well now I think
before that someone would have to tell him he didn't eat the gomu gomu but the most powerful fruit capable to turn imagination into reality
2:55 Shanks was literally just chilling, 100% rested. Luffy had been fighting with Kizaru, maybe not for hrs but he had (and yeah, Luffy may be stronger but it's still an Admiral, enough to make Luffy tired after a while, specially while using G5)... So yeah, not a fair comparison.
He got kicked thru an OP barrier that nearly killed home he felt, that’s why most of his stamina drained
Shanks is literally one shotted one of luffy's biggest rivalries
Blud said he predicted the gorosei to be strong. Like that was ever in doubt
Admiral stans cope levels are off the charts post Wano 💀
17:15 Akainu punched WB Whitebeards face off after eating an enraged sneak attack Gura Gura attack. Chapter 575 pg 6-7. Then, in Ch 578, stood back up ready to solo the entirety of the WB pirates
Kizaru is a glass canon, you catch him and he's done. If there's any Marine on par with a Yonko it would be Garp in his prime.
Maybe sengoku too he has confirmed conquerors Haki
@scoutslippery Would have been nice to see more of Sengoku. Hopefully, we've got more flashbacks coming showing off Sengoku.
@@nworder4life honestly tho I wanna see him goin crazy
@scoutslippery What we got was kinda underwhelming. Big fat golden boy lol
@@nworder4life big fax 💀
I don’t know what people are mad about, their was always a gap between the originals Yonko and admirals. And even with Luffy being a Yonko now of course he’s not has strong as Kaido.
Still definitely left his mark on kizaru
He stronger lol
He clipped Kizaru that wasnt fighting him lol.
And it STILL ended in a draw.
Better PRAY Kizaru doesnt have an awakening
@@powerscallingfiendNah. We legit saw Kaido weather the storm of Gear 5 to where. Luffy needed a break. In order to recover his Haki and get back in the fight. Luffy does not beat Kaido 1v1.
Kaido lived up to his reputation of
"If its 1v1 bet on Kaido"
I think the issue is not what happened, but people taking this one interaction and blowing it WAY out of proportion just like a majority of OP power scalers do. The discourse just gets old and a bit annoying at times
yup@@raaraa5058
Shanks isn’t Yonko level. He’s Shanks level.
Shanks is just that guy tbh 🤷🏾♂️
He's below Mihawk level.
you are making "the best one piece thumbnails" in current time really really liking them, wish I had a way to make one of those my wallpaper! ( especially the one in which "imu is holding devil fruit and this video's of luffy and kizaru" )
Can we stop pretending like luffy gets a free pass for being out just cause its self inflicted? Deku hurting himself with OFA, kaioken, etc. If you have Abilities that hurt yourself/wear you out you have to beat your oponent worse than what it does to you. Thats always been the case. You didnt win if youre both out
It's a free pass because the point is that Kizaru got one shot.
LOL Some people do not want the Admirals to get Ls@@shinkai9kami162
The difference is tho, Kizaru did little to any relevant damage to Luffy himself. Most of the dmg Luffy took was from the Frontier Dome twice. Meanwhile Luffy got one attack in and Kizaru already needed a timeout. It's not a "Free pass", Luffy is just clearly stronger.
People are ignoring rope-a-dope being an effective strategy. If you can drain a person's stamina to the point they can no longer fight, it can be a legit win.
@@Paur But that strategy only works if the person who did the strategy is still standing
Its not complicated, Luffy couldn't beat Big Mom, he couldn't even properly beat Katakuri, as a result when Big Mom reentered the fray in Wano she was still a massive threat to be concerned about, and Kaido who is in her tier maintained being a big threat before we even saw him fight Luffy. We knew Luffy attacking him wouldn't end well.
When the Admirals reenter the story after this, they will not be seen as a threat, period. Because everyone will assume that Sanji, Zoro, and Jinbe will handle them based on how easily Luffy supposedly handled Kizaru; assuming Oda isn't gonna claim Kizaru is using it as an excuse to stay out of killing Vegapunk, or Luffy actually did use all his Haki and energy in the attack. There will be no narrative stake in that moment without Oda going way out of his way to create a predicament for the characters to deal with at the same time. That means the Marines do not actually pose a threat to our prominent cast. The organization which polices 90% of the planet, which they made a big deal about how they are expanding into the New World when Sakazuki took over, now poses no threat from a pure combat standpoint when they are known the world over as the supreme battle power of the Marines. That is bad, period.
This also means it makes zero sense, that the Marines took no action when Big Mom was on her way to Kaido. If an admiral is a whole tier under an emperor to the point it takes 2 to contain one or 3 of them to beat one, this should have been literally an existential crisis for the whole world. Normal captains in the New World are going to be beating most Vice Admirals. The power balance breaks if the gap is this big. The warlords don't make up for it, they never did. They were a means for accommodating for the weakness of the lower marine ranks without bolstering emperor crews.
How can it widen the gap when luffy was completely done for 😭 kizaru was literally speaking with saturn that he needs a bit while luffy was going mute with no power left 😭 just shows that it was a draw while kizaru wasnt even trying to fight luffy
Exactly!!
Luffy gassed out after his fight with Lucci too. You are focussing on the wrong thing. Just think about what it took to take Big Mom and Kaido down, and compare that to Kizaru.
neither was Luffy. Luffy went down because his df consumed his stamina. Kizaru went down cause Luffy punched his lights out. the reasoning makes a different. Speed is the only thing Kizaru got over Luffy.
bro why do people ignore that luffy is done bcz of stamina issue not because he got KO''ed by kizaru. What happens when someone like kaido and shanks fight kizaru? These guys don't have stamina issue.
@@jamieseekle2357Umm big mom is not even comparable to Kiado, she her self said that. Didn't Kiado get knock down the same way with a weaker version of the attack luffy did to kizaru? Hmm stop coping.
I just know Oda waiting for the right time to bring out the Admirals awakenings. Think about it, how many Logia have we actually really seen in OP, it’s a plethora of Zoan and paramecia in the story but where all the Logia at??? We seen Ace but he died, Smokers barely get screen time for now, and the rest of the Logia the admirals and Dragon have them which are all end game characters yes including smoker is end game. Oda is definitely pulling out Logia awakenings when the fights really matter and the stakes are high. Think about it would we be hype for Logia awakenings if we already seen what they can do? I think Oda is gonna surprise us all 🙌🏾
I think Shanks will send Luffy flying with that hit like Roger did to Oden. But he'll still be good like Oden not like Kid that got done lol.
Agreed
Shanks divine departure and Roger's divine departure has completely different intents though. Roger's divine departure was meant to be a greeting so I'm pretty sure he didn't put his 100% into it. Shanks divine departure on the other hand had intent to kill/immobilize his enemies completely. After seeing in his future sight what Kid's attack does to his fleet, he completely went "kill now" mode.
I think the attack that Luffy did on Kizaru would do major damage to shanks as well. He’s not durable like big mom Kaido or white beard or even oden because there born different. Luffys durability is way stronger then shanks because of he’s rubber devil fruit. Shanks has speed and haki AP but if he gets hit just like Kizaru shanks gets rocked but still doesn’t lose
@user-dj2lt2zz9p by all means I agree
@@randyrosales3496 I also think you're right!
Yall keep forgetting Luffy came off from fighting Seraphims, Lucci in Gear 5.
Then to go and hold off an Admiral in Gear 5 again. That is at least 3 times using Gear 5 if he used it against the Seraphims.
Both Luffy and Kizaru at 100% would be a different Story.
shawty was spitting
The cope is insane from Admiral stans. 1st it's Kizaru and Luffy faught to a stalemate, and both KO'd each other.... then it's "Kizaru wasn't feeling the fight".
The facts regardless of your feeling is, Luffy hit Kizaru 1 time, and Kizaru could no longer fight. Even Saint Saturn acknowledged Nika was too much. That's the CANON fact.
Let's stop with the cope lol.
Yeah the thing with power scaling One Piece is we don’t know the true strength of some characters. It was obvious that Kizaru’s heart was not in the mission and that Luffy was only stalling. The fight did not display the actual depth of these characters and their abilities. People also forget Kaido had a mythical Dragon Fish fruit with crazy endurance combined with his race so he should be able to tank more than the more human Admirals and even characters like Mihawk and Shanks but they probably have higher AOE and DC.
True
What?! so you think Kizaru kicking Luffy out the dome was him not trying? Kizaru was trying to Kill Vegapunk, what made you say he was not trying? Any pages in particular I can check? or is it just your feelings?
@@Par-Blindspot it is kizaru feeling he is clearly not focus
If his heart wasn’t in the mission he would’ve fought luffy and lost just stop but instead keeps trying to get vegapunk stop it
@@justhere6507 Its not that simple dog. Perfect example, Garp and Ace. Garp didnt want Ace to be executed, his heart wasn't in it, but he still did his job to guard Ace from the WB pirates. The only time he faltered and gave in was when he chose to stay down from Luffy's punch and when Ace died and he was genuinely going to try and kill Akainu. Emotions, morals, and context 100% matter when looking at fights, and it's clear here that Kizaru was having an internal struggle during this whole mission.
He still got low diffed tho lol.
they are comparing luffy struggling against big mom in whole cake to him dealing with kizaru in egg head. ofc luffy is gonna have an easier time because he is a YONKOU now. put kizaru in whole cake at that time and luffy would have still had to run and make it a rescue and escape mission. there would have been no beating kizaru at that point in time. so i don’t understand why twilight is so upset
Admirals can still be closer to Yonko than we think. We've literally never seen Kizaru fight seriously. like ever.
Nah man give it up the yonko are still stronger arguments over
Kizaru spent most of the fight running trying to extend Luffy’s G5 so he can tire out instead of fighting. If Kizaru decided to actually stand on business and fight Luffy he would’ve ended up like Lucci. If Kizaru could’ve stopped Luffy he would’ve so stop with the excuses.
@@THEjayrodriguez i never said Yonko weren’t stronger just that the admirals could still be closer
@@malikmonk5240kizaru was running away trying to fulfill his mission of killing vp???
@@boooboooo1892 I’m confused according to the Admiral fanboys I’ve talked to they said Kizaru wasn’t trying to kill Vegapunk but now it’s that he was trying to complete his mission. Which is it?
I love when agenda pushers call others agenda pushers. Its poetic
Didn’t know both people being out the fight and on the ground is widening the gap, especially if one is responsive and the other isn’t……
3:30 “Ha!!!! Told Y’all” made me weak. But i completely agree
We didn’t see kizaru awaken his fruit yet. What are we talking about here 😂
Who says he will? People said the same thing about kaidou.
Cope harder😂
@@aimanimran4565 cope?? Everyone knows luffy beats kizaru one vs one but how can you power scale and admiral without seen he’s awakening knowing what happen in punk hazard.
@@Mrkingdom707 punk hazard !
@@j-gar2895 ?
Don’t forget king of lightning was also hyping Bobbing in the big moms arc saying that the mf was probably strong I’m still laughing 😂
I mean....lets be honest most debates in the OP community end up as "who is Zoro stronger than" and "Yonko vs Admirals" when there's a bigger picture. Even though we're reading the same story things people interpret different is fascinating to me. The "powerscaling' finatics are the most hilarious to me. While we have thought provoking topics like human rights in the OP world and lore to apply to our own lives....you also have the other part of the fandom like "HE DEFINITELY HIT 50% HARDER THAN THE LAST 2 GUYS BASED OFF OF BLACK SPARKS SO I KNOW I'M RIGHT AND ODA WROTE IT WRONG BECAUSE I'M BIASED!" 😂 Heard specifically from the Tier 3 many times that if their agenda isn't fulfilled then it's "Oda's bad writing".😂
My dude if you think One Piece is Intellectual reading you may need to expand your awareness of Literature. One Piece Demographic is Teenage boys who like battle manga and Boobs. Sigmund Freud is a good Start.
@@Par-Blindspot never said it was intellectual reading. Just stating what Oda personally is putting into the world and it isn't just fights though they occur and move the story along. People tend to be hyper focused and very passionate about it. Also I read a lot my dude. Actually writing 2 books as we speak and I love looking at things beyond what is on the surface. Psychology on how people act during certain situations is very interesting and Freud would agree lol. Also don't have to have a degree in literature and psychology to have something being "thought provoking". Any topic can bring up a good discussion/conversation.
Agreed, It just sounded to me like you didn't understand the demographic Oda has always aimed at. I don't think he would consider his manga as an educational piece on Slavery and Governmental Authority. Its for Cool Fights and Boobs.Which is why Powerscaling is so popular.@@djgoku7774
lol hes doing a Amazing job for a Teenage boys battle manga, ive read alot of pirate historic literature Oda is doing a great job adding nuances. I dont think Sigmund Freud is a good Start there have been numerous criticisms and debunkings of Sigmund Freud's theories since their inception Freud's work is not considered a comprehensive or definitive explanation of human behavior and psychology.Freud's personal experiences and biases may have influenced his theories for example, his experiences with patients and his own self-analysis shaped his ideas in ways that are not universally applicable.his work still has historical significance but many of Freud's specific theories have been challenged and debunked.I would go for Jung as a first read but it still depends on you @@Par-Blindspot
No one said to start with Freud for an understanding of psychology.
It was stated as a good start for Intellectual reading.
Did you not read the comment?@@supersmashman1993
You guys are silly. Kizaru is pulling a Garp and is buying time for Luffy and Vegapunk to escape.
This overanalyzing is crazy, Kizaru HP bar is gone??? he is stunned, he's body is in good shape and he can still talk fine. That was battle clearly a draw, not to mention Kizaru is not aligned with his current goal (internal struggle) while Luffy is. Luffy and Kizaru are really close in power.
People want admirals to be end game so badly 😂 we have imu, gorosei, holy knights, and blackbeard to worry about with shanks maybe somewhere down the line. Admirals i will say are stepping stones towards end game thats all they are.
Yonko>admiral>YC1 with admirals being closer to 1st commanders its okay let it run its course
Luffy already fought Lucci, Seraphim and Eggheads Defences
Didnt just widened the gap between Kizaru and Luffy. It created a whole universe.😂
Yeah. The holy knights have entered the show. I think they are the real army of the world government.
Nah you’re just being oblivious to the simple fact that kizaru was uninterested in fighting and more on the defence simply due to priorities. U can’t just say nonsense to support a silly agenda.
@@Manwithetheplan Oh right! Even greenbull was not fighting Shanks. So that too doesn't count 🤡
@@NphiniT Greenbull wasn’t fighting shanks it’s simple common sense😂. Don’t refer to someone as a clown if you’re failing to comprehend that entire situation.
@@Manwithetheplanno your trying to make it seem like that’s a factor in support of kizaru when really it’s a handicap for luffy
Admirals have always been underestimated.
At the end of the day luffy isn’t gonna be fighting the admirals, sanji/zoro are gonna be fighting them, luffy just is gonna be fighting the higher tiers
plot twist, kizaru is just playing like he is down and out because he doesnt want to hurt anyone.
But both are out for the count...
One of them is out because of Luffy but Luffy ain't out because of Kizaru so your point is irrelevant.
@@shinkai9kami162Luffy didn't beat katakuri if that's the case...
@@thatguyintheconments You make no sense.
@@shinkai9kami162 How the frick is your point relevant? The fact is Kizaru, without really focusing on Luffy, was strong enough to push him to use all his stamina, be out cold, and almost be eradicated by Saint Jay Garcia. Kizaru is still awake and talking.
I'm not going to join this echo chamber of copium.
@@shinkai9kami162 Luffy couldn't beat katakuri without a handicap that's why he literally stabbed himself in his chest. With your logic Luffy didn't beat katakuri, he beat himself.
Kaido ate all Luffy’s attacks….. Kizaru 😂. No Admirals can
This the type of video I was waiting for. After all these years of people saying Lufffy is just gonna get One Sided after fighting someone like Kaido.
After seeing what Luffy can do, it definitely makes sense why Sengoku was extra prepared during Marineford
1:08 BEST IN THE WOOOOOOORLD
There's no logical explanation for why luffy didn't use acoc from the start of the fight , if he did he wouldn't even need gear 5 with how we saw kizaru deal with just one acoc attack
Plot armor protected kizaru
Well he needed G5 as he kicked Luffy out of Gear 4 with one attack (We see the smoke trailing behind him as all the times when Luffy is knocked out of gear 4 there is always smoke trailing) and the speed difference. We also see Kizaru is not really in the fight he is mentally nerfed and weakened resolve as he doesn’t want to kill his best friends Vegapunk and Sentomaru, and we seen in the show if you are hesitant and don’t have resolve you aren’t at your full strength. I think Kizaru def doesnt have Kaido/BM durability and he’s more of a evasive/counter fighter as he has the strength to continually match G5 in speed and blows but ofc luffy’s final attack surprised him a bit as he spun off kizaru’s attack in a weird way and hit him straight in the brain with ACOC+G3 muscle baloon and fire amped he’ll be dazed on the floor. I don’t think anyone else besides tanky people like kaido/bm who dont have human durability will stand up immediately after that.
@@myst2761 People have this weird admiral hate agenda that they need to pick out every little thing despite through out the entire story there's been constant things or people intervening with their fights that prevent them from fighting all out people like to harp at Kizaru being "Immobilized" On the ground from 1 shot but Luffy is literally a deflated old man that's barely coherent from the same attack while Kizaru is wide away perfectly Coherent just unable to move his body at the current moment. (Which IMO ) is just a plot device to GAS up the Saint Saturn and not take away anything from his moment in the spotlight.
@@myst2761, the standard is not human level durability. It's ACOC. Kizaru doesn't have it and was therefore oneshotted. Same thing happened to Luffy until he unlocked it. This isn't complicated.
Luffy also went through barrier twice
Luffy defended the crew from Kizaru and put him on his ass before he hit his time limit. Given his past history with with power ups and their debuffs, I'd say he he did pretty well to handle Kizaru. Everyone else will be fine cause it's One Piece so Straw Hat dub pretty much
"Luffy put everything he had in that one blow" broooo what?!
Bro admiral haters make less sense than yonko haters honestly. Kol’s friends are just acting like logia awakenings won’t happen&Akainu isn’t an endgame villain💀
So out of the 1000s Chapters you read where is the Logia Awakening?
@@Par-Blindspot oh you know the island that’s permanently half ice half magma. Almost 1100 chapters in&Oda still puts respect on the admirals because YONKO luffy sees Kizaru as a very strong opponent and YONKO Blackbeard ran from Akainu.
What?!! So what happened at Punk Hazard? That's right, you dont know cause it was off panel. Luffy said the Scabbards were strong when he met them in Zou. Tell me is Dogman and Cat Viper really strong? Black beard ran from Akainu cause he didn't have a ship and there was so advantage to be gained from fighting him and awhole Battleship with soldiers.
You grabbing at Straws fam.@@Dbonesburneraccount
15:45 they were packing WB up in Marineford. He kept getting saved by his commanders
Kizaru couldn’t one shot Luffy but Luffy one shot kizaru but somehow people think they are equal because agenda.
Its almost like theres more to a fight than who can punch harder🤯
my Issue with the whole "gap widened" conversation is that to me anyway kizaru came out looking better in then luffy in that fight and while yes he's on the ground I think that's less to with ability to fight and more to do with character and his lazy justice in that he defers to sataturn. also they weren't fighting in the same way he was fighting kido or even rob luchi for a more conclusive look on the fight I think we should wait for the return from the lash back
So you just gonna Ignore the part where Saturn says the L is understandable.
okay then luffy also took an L as he is in the same if not worse position @@Par-Blindspot
Luffy made light work of Kizaru.
And that's not even a stretch
Ba dum tss
Why is Luffy looking like a grandpa in a coma right now only to clip Kizaru who didnt fight him?
they forgetting to put that 1. luffy already went g5 once that day and fought till he was tired 2. luffy went thru the light barrier that vaporizes EVERYTHING twice (he even stated he almost died) if luffy was full health kizaru gets folded easily
Bonnie tanked the frontier dome
Uh oh admiral fans are not gonna like this 😭💀
With how delusional some of kols vids are they’ll probably just chalk this one in that same category💀.
Example?@@DripJambe
Why you commenting
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😂😂😂😂
Saying the admirals were never hyped is Major cap do you guys not remember the first time we came around the admirals
It is very clear Luffy was stronger than Kizaru, if Kizaru and Luffy stare what do you think Luffy will do??, luffy would never hit Kizaru, he is literally just protecting vegapunk, I think the entire fight Kizaru was trying to hit Vegapunk, no a single attack could surpass luffy (this is already a proof Luffy is way stronger than Kizaru cause it means Luffy only uses as much power as Kizaru so he is retaining his full power), Kizaru starts to realize he is doing nothing and risk to get hit in order to effectively hit Vegapunk, he couldn’t and because Luffy was running out of stamina he had to put Kizaru to sleep with One shot without retaining his power, Kizaru was K.O. Luffy never hits first against Kizaru the entire fight, even the first encounter is a Luffy kick as a response to protect his crew, he is only protecting, even that kick wasn’t with intention to damage Kizaru. The entire fight is Luffy playing with Kizaru and Kizaru wanting to hit vegapunk, he isn’t trying hit Luffy but actually does because Luffy always block all kizarus attack, this is to say Kizaru never land a critical hit meant for Luffy and Luffy never hit Kizaru to hurt him, bro he literally throw him away when we could just hold it for the entire time and nothing happened, Luffy with that throw only shows he was in completely control over Kizaru and both knew that. Luffy didn’t put all his stamina in that hit, his stamina has getting so low that he ended the fight with one hit. Luffy is much more powerfull than Kizaru, at least shown at the moment, I am sure when Luffy fights Saturn, and Kizaru vs Zoro and Sanj then Kizaru will display all his effort into actually fight and there we will se Kizaru is actually not that far away from Yonko (like advanced conquerors or awakening logia).
Wack take. When have you ever seen someone put Stamina into an attack?! LOLOL WTF
I tried to understand what you typed but it is incoherent and hard as fk to do so I gave up.
Yonko's are just interested in their Territories, not with Fighting with the World Government or Marines
Even Luffy is more interested in being Pirate King and helping his friends then overthrowing the World Goverment
Luffy was told he was tired by Kaido, Luffy denied it, then turned into the melting drained old man(A Looney Toon Gag) but Kaido called out the Gag by yelling "Who the hell are you!!!!"😹
Same with Kizaru, Kizaru. Said arent you Tired from using that form yet? And after He white gun Kizaru in his head he said " okay,now I'm tired" and Did his Old Man gag
This is going back back to Luffy not being hot,cold,poisoned,burned by acid or tired unless someone,usually Nami, asks him.......then she calls him a idiot when he overreacts in a cartoony way(turns blue and shivers when cold,turns with steam off his head and "melts" when hot,steam comes off Burt part and throbs from acid, poisonedis moaning semi comatoses for both Magellan and The Rock Fish Shin)......the imagination is a powerful thing and Luffy was always inspired by his devilfruit spirit to do silly things cause its funny
If his crew was in real danger he'd stop the gag like he did vs Kaido (he got up when Kaido talked about honor in death and folk tales, cause he isnt about that bullshit)
Gear 4th is "Afro Luffy" stage 2, and Gear ,5th is "Afro Luffy" on Looneytoons .........nobody is beating Looneytoon powers like declaring to blast Kaido to hell and that destruction Ryo Haki blast sent Kaido through the Earth and to the lava (hell/abyss)
Only reason Luffy hasnt flushed Kizaru away by making a giant toilet handle appear is he didnt think of it
Nikka is the name of the god trapped in "The Mask", FYI. Oda didnt make it up. Oda is a Jim Carey fan,so......
Luffy completely won that fight. Luffy lost to himself while Kizaru lost to Luffy. Anybody that says otherwise is either a complete moron or is just saying this just to hate on king of lightning for the sake of it. Come on people this is literally 2 + 2 = 4.
What narrative sense would it make for luffy to be weaker than the admiral that put his crew through hell back at sabaody at this point in time? NONE. Which is why the outcome of this fight for me was clear as day
The fight was a draw.
Cope harder 😂
@@gsmoneybabyxxl7575that would be you
No it wasn't luffy one shotted that loser
Anybody saying the fight was a draw is literally smooth brain. Don't take these people seriously ya'll! Edit: Just so you know I'm saying Luffy won.
@@smananderson09don’t forget that luffy has to go though barriers twice in order to continue his fight against that admiral so even when luffy was little bit nerfed luffy was able to defeatan admiral
Luffy was fighting a guy with light speed and needed to make sure he wasn't getting back up
Luffy basically one-shotted Kizaru (with an attack that isn't even his strongest one as we very well know) while he's out due to the exhaustion of using Gear 5th, it's clear who is superior here.
Of course Luffy wins 100%, and if the Gear 5 time limit is very long then Luffy can be said to be mid diff Kizaru
Honestly his strongest attack isn’t even touching Kizaru if he actually tries to dodge it.
If luffy was still standing but exhausted sure
@@x3jamesjamjam672 It still only took one clean attack to make Kizaru fall and not being able to stand up for quite a period of time, even if you say that this was a draw (neither of them were going at it seriously to begin with so that's irrelevant) it's clear who is superior when Luffy did take some attacks as well as being "damaged" yet continued like nothing while the Admiral fell in one.
@@DripJambe He doesn't need his strongest attack though? What's your point.
Oda had to nerf gear 5 , luffy dindt even use acoc and he fought kaido way longer suddenly luffy gets tired quick
In the case of Kizaru
1: People like to forget. How this fight started. Luffy runs up for a kick, then in the next cut we have Kizaru casually fending off Snakeman and subsequently speed blitzing Luffy's fastest form.
2: Kizaru has the speed feats to run the timer on G5 while DISTRACTED.
3: Kaido took a SIGNIFICANTLY weaker version of this hit with the head cave in. AND he was still on his back for bit. Granted he was stunned due to shock not inability to get up.
4: Kizaru is a dude. If any non monster esk entity takes a hit like that. They aren't shrugging it off. This is a game of tag and he caught him off guard at the buzzer beater. Cause again Kizaru is not all there in terms of combating Luffy.
5: When Kizaru gets the order to directly fight Luffy. It's a different fight entirely. Ultimately Luffy will win ofc. But his scenario under these circumstances is not as bad as people are making it out be.
I don't get the need for constant power-scaling. As though the world's interactions work on a purely linear basis. It's more complex and dynamic than that. Think Nen - Certain conditions give rise to certain biases, strengths and weaknesses. You may not be victorious in all circumstances. Its as though unless it's explicitly stated, people can't understand this. Remember: The Three Great Powers, stated Post-Enies Lobby, were the Marine HQ, the Seven Warlords and the Yonkou. The balance was maintained as such: Yonkou = Marine HQ + Warlords. Essentially, the New World and "Paradise". By that logic, the Admirals were always going to pale in comparison to the Yonkou. So, it's senseless to power-scale and argue about it now. Furthermore, the central plot and cast will always be the core focus of the story and not the supporting characters for the sake of rudimentary power-scaling. You guys ought to be smarter than this.
Kol & Pals
I gotta say the my favourite out of the tier 3s atm has to be the girl hardly every speaks over people and when she talks shes straight to the point
Luffy is way stronger then he was against big mom
Big Mom isn't getting knocked out by one direct hit from any known character.
Not even claiming Kizaru is over Luffy by any means, but I think Kizaru could have a better showing than he did in this chapter. Kizaru was prioritizing Vegapunk and trying to ignore Luffy, then when he did decide to fight him he underestimated him and got caught off guard by Luffys power. Still a loss for sure, but if they were both fresh and Kizaru fought him again knowing he is an actual threat I think he would be harder to put down than he was in this fight. I do think the Admirals are still a threat to the straw hats, because Sanji and Zoro can not beat an Admiral as easily as Luffy can. I do think the main contenders against Luffy will be the Gorosei, Holy Knights, and of course Imu. I also now think Akainu will be an enemy for Sabo at this point though because by the time Luffy has a chance to fight him he will be leagues above him, unless Akainu is truly a tier above Kizaru which I really don't think they are that far apart. Also we still havent seen an Admiral go all out like Punk Hazard all out. Like I said I still don't think they beat Luffy, but they are still stronger than we see even here.
Gonna love the headcanon in these discussions.
Admirals 1 Sengoku 2 Grap ( Hero sword fist not under any elders) 2 Sakazuki 3 kuzan 4 Borsalino 5 Aramaki 6 Issho.
One is just tired and the other is knocked out.
This makes 0 sense kol. I cant believe youre gonna say kaido is stronger than luffy. Luffy was literally on death's door and defeated kaido. So imagine if he wasnt fatigued and isnt at critical health. Yes kaido wasnt in best health as well but he wasnt nearly as hurt as luffy was.