Newbie Crit Racer vs LEGION - (CBR Criterium P/1/2/3)
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Hindsight being 20/20 the guy was literally on the couch a year or so ago and now he has Justin Williams drafting him for a few seconds before attacking in the rain
From the outside, it looks like EJ isn't yet confident riding blind. Every bend he comes out to get sight of it, then boom, 10 wheels gone. It is probably subconscious. He almost needs more time in a team train learning to trust the wheel infront and go with the flow.
Easier said than done though. Keep at it. Great start.
for sure, its a big ask to take someone whos new to trust a bunch of people they dont know not to cause a massive pileup at 30mph even more so in the wet. even i notice in depending on who im riding/racing with. guys i know and have known for a decade on the track? ez pz ill just sit on your wheel. random dude out on a road ride rollin with me? eh imma give you a bit more space since i dont know your tendencies
He just needs a lot more time in the lower cats.
Do you race at this level Struan or you just a pro sofa jockey?
@Mikel Ritchie Cycling it wasn't a criticism. I don't race bikes at this level. I used to ride racehorses steeple chasing and on the flat here in the UK as well as New York and Virginia. So I do know a thing or two about what confidence and trust in those around you it takes to be travelling in a pack at 30mph blind.
EJ has knocked it out of the park in terms of his progression.
Mikel, thanks for taking the time to read my post and interact.
I am impressed with this young man. It is daunting enough to enter P/1/2/3 race, but to do it after already racing that day…this is a guy who loves racing his bike. That love blossomed, I’m sure, when he won his first race! That just blows me away. My first CAT 5 was a disaster. Guys sprinted right from the gun and it was clear that it was every man for himself. I was in the fight and riding like a lunatic just to stay with the group. No tactics. No strategy. Just flat out. Until a crash that I just avoided, and exhaustion ended any chance of ever seeing the front group again. EJ is getting great coaching and he will find success. He clearly has the engine.
I'm at the age where I am fried after a group ride. Don't ask me to race twice in a day.
@@CarlDoesStuff : LOL! Agreed!
It is so painfull to see him in thewind for no reason. STAY ON THE WHEELS. great video as always !
We were totally stoked to have you out with us in the P/123 race at CBR! The learning curve has finally caught up with you! :) Keep it up.
I know I'm just the peanut gallery out here...but for context: I did both races this day as well, I averaged I believe 40W less in the P1-3 than the 2/3. The 2/3 was just less smooth in the corners and a lot of slinky effect happening. Something to note in the P1-3, that inside line isn't ACTUALLY there. It may look like it for a split second but that door is going to close and you're going to grab brakes. If you just follow the lines of the peloton you can be extremely efficient in these races. If you watch everyone else, they go wide because they're carrying so much speed they need the whole road wide, apex, wide to complete the corner at 30+, especially in the wet. Good racing, big dawg. Come back down soon.
Drafting! My observation, for what it’s worth, is that EJ wants to see up the road, which pulls him out of every draft opportunity. Even when he thinks he’s drafting, he’s not. Jeff, you need to teach him how to draft. Don’t just tell him to draft, teach him, show him, make him draft behind you.
Impressive! First p/1/2 race and he goes off on one attack! Shows guts. In my first P/1/2 (SoCal, 1980s) I had one Cat 1 teammate who told me to just stay on his wheel the entire crit and several thereafter. Greatest learning experience! I could follow a wheel tightly so stuck on him like glue although lost him at times but worked to re-acquired him. He didn’t fight for anything, was just there to tow me around and demonstrate efficiency. It’s an approach I used as a coach many, many times over the years-put a newbie (or sketchy handler) on the wheel of a good pack rider and let it rip. Or I’d say to riders who had trouble in the pack to follow a particularly smooth pack rider from another team. Just totally stay on his wheel. Was a great way to learn and advance and learn pack efficiency. I ended up a couple years later being the lead out guy for our one really good sprinter. I had good teachers, which is unfortunately somewhat rare on bike teams.
If you are not looking at a crack you are in the wind…best advice ever
It was kind of hilarious. Right after you asked EJ "How did it feel man?" The video cut to a commercial that opened with "Don't you worry about me.." lol
Really appreciate this footage. It’s nice to see EJ making his mistakes in a higher cat race and the consequences. Super helpful for me. EJ, you’ll get it!
i agree with this. It shows how crucial these mistakes are in higher CATS. Great learning curve racing in that 123
Lol….DRAFT! DAMN YOU! DRAFT! This young fella seems to love feeling the wind in his face.
Glad to hear your spirits are higher! You’re doing great things & it’s so fun to watch
Love the Blue Danube Waltz at the beginning of the video. Very nice touch!
Dude who cares if you lost and pulled out. You got the experience at least and hung in there for a while. Props to you EJ. I couldn't even last 2 laps in a P12. Keep it up man.
The E.J. laugh 😂 Bruh’s got Best laugh eveR 💯!!!
EJ said it… people are more focused in staying in the draft .. those are called goats… or in Miami it’s called Chupa Rueda 😂 buddy your doing amazing, keep listening to this dude. And APPLY!!!!!
Sheep maybe
Loving the EJ series. Keep it up!
You’ve got some huge cajo…courage. Dude hugely proud to watch your progress. Second race today too!
And just like that 2 months later you are racing Cory Williams! Awesome!
Why upgrade as fast as possible. Stay as a cat 3 for a bit, learn and have a lot more fun. When you're ready for cat 2, then move up. But go have fun first.
On the rivet watching this from my office chair-good stuff.
It's always funny listening to you guys reconcile speed into energy. lol It's simple though, kinetic energy is proportional to the square of velocity. This means, if you double your speed, you expend 4 times the energy, and if you do this over a consistent amount of time, your power required is 4 times higher too. It wouldn't hurt to look at some energy equations, and checkout the drag equation.
EJ - this was a BRILLIANT 1st P/1/2/3 race - Bravo! You are clearly going places in this sport. Now get on a freaking wheel 😅 especially if you’re tired from a previous race. But regardless, brilliant first high level race. 💥
i'm actually looking for a power meter. What one do you have for it to fail because of rain? Are the damages fatal or its just gonna fix by itself while drying ?
EJ land has just huge wide open vistas and it makes for a very uncluttered view.
Keep up the good work EJ.
This series with EJ is fantastic. I’m afraid of what you are creating. My initials are EJ too.
Taking a drink every time EJ’s in the wind? Someone’s gonna die of alcohol poisoning..
That was a lot of shots. 🍻. I think being more comfortable banging bars in the group instead of beside it will come with experience.
is NorCal going to be at the Redlands Classic this year? hope to see y'alls purple down here!
I'd love to hear a spiel about the bike at 4:29 from its rider. Rear disk wheel, Cervelo frame, Giant fork, stem angled almost completely heaven-ward...it's quite the impressive rig
Hindsight👌😁 still impressive with how you’ve progressed 👏
Must be a great experience though. You’ll learn a lot and also gain a lot of fitness. Great effort in an early career and cycling life!
it makes me nervous just watching those speeds in the rain
EJ has never had to fight for position because he’s always been in the top three at all times till he cat upped keep it going EJ you’re doing great and as you learn we watch and learn too 🤙🏻🤙🏻
Gonna echo a comment I saw on an earlier C2C vid -- I wanna see EJ on a track bike in a velodrome with the wattage he can make 👀
First 25 seconds were pure art.
Congrats! Not easy ride.
What happened to couch to crit season1 rider? Does he still compete?
No had a kid and stopped riding completely
@@JAB-jp6le that's another life time ride😅 hope he still continues to spin legs🙂
Please move that subscribe icon somewhere else can’t able to see the RPM
When will the video on Cat’s Hill be uploaded?
Working on it! Should be out soon!
As someone that just started crit racing I can see a lot of my tendencies in EJ. I would bet a lot of the reason EJ isn't drafting is due to fear and discomfort being close to other riders
Insane evolution, stay strong 💪
Dude with the disk wheel at 4:28! That's wild...is that even allowed?
It's totally legal. He's a staple in our P1-3 field down here and the man's been racing for forever.
Another big thing - when you're out in in the wind at 45 kph it's way way worse than at 40 kph.
"You're making EJ cat up too fast" - hoo boy, I'd rather he go to cat 3 fast than sandbag my 4/5 races 😂
Average speed is definitely more, but the power required to be near the front or in a break is at another level.
Keep it up, good work 👊🏾
Racing isn't about ftp or power, it's about slipstreaming with your head up, looking through the pack, at all times, with your fingers on the brakes, at all times.
At 4:30, is the guy in the sunflower kit riding a solid disc rear wheel? I thought that wasn't allowed in bike racing outside of TT's/triathlon?
it's totally legal
Lesgo EJ, love the content🎉
dudes doing very well, keep it up bud!
Hey Jeff, I notice that you use glasses when you're not riding, I was wondering if you use prescription lenses in your sunglasses when riding? If not, do you just deal with it because your vision is not that bad or do you have another solution? If you do, where do you get your sunglasses?
Is there a good website that shows all the amateur races around the country?
Awesome work, stick in there.👏🏼
Jeff, you need a good tequila sponsor for these videos with EJ.
Wish I had the fitness to stay out in the wind! If I drop a wheel, I'm gone...😫
Nice work man! Chapeau. The evolution of EJ is suspicious at times but pretty awesome.
4:28 did that dude seriously have a disc wheel?
Newbie in first pro race vs Legion / Williams bros … in the rain and hail. Start praying for Newbie ASAP! Lol
At 14:28, there is a guy with a disc wheel, four people in front of ej???
Whats up with that P3 with drops and a disc? Didn't know that was legal
MY FRIEND COACHES LITTLE LEAGUE BASEBALL. THE FIRST THIMG HE DES IS LINE THE PLAYERS UP AGAINST THE FEBCE AND HITS THEM IN THE BACK WITH THE BALL. I THINK EJ SPEND A RACE SITTING IN THE PACKWITH RIDERS ON ALL FOUR SIDES. MOST RIDERS DOO THAT WITHOUT CRASHING.
Brother, get on a wheel lol
Is it legal to to run a full ''disc'' wheel (TT wheel), in crit races? ''Confused UCI noises'' xD
Why is there a guy with a disc wheel in the back at 4:30 I thought those weren’t allowed in road races
man I'm in South Florida and here seems like is way harder to cat up.
Any chance we are gonna get a Cats Hill Classic video?
Soon! Working on it as we speak!
Sweet. Can’t wait.
i dont even race prolly never will but this is sick
EJ, Big kudos to your rapid ascent! Jeff, as the coach, I am very curious about the substantial fitness gains in a short period. Clearly, EJ had some other high-level fitness coming into bike racing and wasn’t coming off the couch…
He joined and followed the couch to crit masterclass
I can't remember exactly, but he had an ftp of around 180 when he started, which is pretty normal for a bigger guy who hadn't cycled very much previously. And the most substantial fitness gains are made when you haven't done a lot of previous exercise, as there is so much room for improvement.
@@Bozza36 perhaps, but nearly double FTP…
@@matthiles5766 I see your point, but I don't think it is to do with EJ's baseline fitness. I think he was just born with a large aerobic capacity (and most likely a relatively high VO2Max - would be interesting for Jeff to test this actually), and an even bigger anaerobic sprint. He is one of the small percentages within the population that has the right combination of genetics for cycling.
I’m not even a cyclist, I just watch the channel a lot and seeing you out the wind so much gives me anxiety. You’ve trained me well Jeff. For no reason. 😂 Maybe I should try a race.
Great job EJ and Jeff!!! Don’t listen to the naysayers, Jeff you nailed it, there is no denying EJ has strength and working on the finer point which comes with experience. Continue on the journey EJ and with Jeff by your side you will improve.✌🏻
Why is everyone freaking out about disc wheels? There were several guys running it and it's legal so I don't get it.
I have two words: Hold Wheels :)
Please get Brian back on!! (Well done EJ)
Best non wheel holder ever, it’s painful
You can see that EJ is a bit scared of riding in the pack. Off to the side, not in anyones wheel. Ones he gets used to that he will be cat 1 in no time.
Wait it rains in socal???
Why are you having to explain drafting to someone racing road bikes?
the matchup everyone wanted to see
hello, @NorCal Cycling! in EJ's case, how much is genetics and how much is the training program you are marketing? you claim that his fitness is related to the program, and it's a little unfair (or just marketing) for all the guys out there, including me, who are struggling to increase their FTP and don't have the same results, if the program is not the main reason for his progress. do you have another clients that had the same results or EJ is a one-time wonder? thank you and sorry if I bothered you with my comment. keep up the good work!
He clearly has great genetics when it comes to training adaptability and strength. but has also been doing 10hrs+ of consistent structured training for several months. The sprint is almost all genetics unless he’s been killing the gym.
How can you be a newbie and a cat 3?
Best intro yet!
stay out of the drama!
Shoutout to HINDSIGHT for always being 20/20
4:29 dude has a disk wheel
Why was someone racing with a disc wheel? What the hell?
looks like Point Loma
Jeff, how do you bounce back from cold/covid? Any advice much appreciated.
Someone on a rear disk at 4:30ish WTF
When is EJ getting signed to team mike's bike?
4:28 are disc wheels allowed in US road and crit races??? And why on earth is this dude riding with one?? :0
I see that as EJ's biggest hurdle. He's afraid of the draft and that's why he's hanging off to the side out in the wind all the time.
I wanted to help by Googling the definition of drafting for EJ, since he seems oblivious. Here's what it says: Drafting occurs when a cyclist moves into an area of low pressure behind another cyclist, reducing the wind resistance and the amount of energy required to pedal.
I don't know, sounds like a pretty good strategy to me.
That being said, the young man has made amazing strides in moving up from Cat 5 so quickly. He's got great power and stamina, he just has to get over his fear of being on a wheel at those speeds. If fear is going to continue to get the best of him, he may as well hang it up.
🤣
or start doing gravel races or cyclocross
Strong work 💪
Let’s goo EJ
Anyone notice the guy running a disc rear wheel in a crit ? O-o
Dude is eating wind the whole time
Terún need to snap EJ up so he can Luke Skywalker his Darth Vader
This guy loves to eat the wind 😅. Pretty incredible that he’s never on a wheel.
Does anyone else see the guy running a full disc at 4:28?