LIVE: Cenk Uygur and Destiny DEBATE Israel-Palestine Escalation
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- Cenk and Destiny's LIVE debate over the future of the Israel-Palestine war, potential escalation with the Houthis, how to finish the war, and how to create a long-term peace. Hosted by Eli Hassell, airing LIVE today at 4pm ET / 1pm PT. Support TYT! Become a member - Our goal is for 1% of every TYT viewer to become a TH-cam Channel Member. Sign up NOW and gift memberships to friends and family! Click JOIN below.
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The older I get, the less I understand this horrrible world we live in
We only pretend the there is order in our societies. The arrogance of humanity..no one knows really
Really? Things are becoming more and more obvious to me
@komlat253 That's right, and we all end up in the same place. 6 Ft under
Oh, I understand it. The human animal, if exposed to 24/7 propaganda for decades can conceive that humans outside of their own group have the value of rocks. They have as little regard for them as rocks. In fact, they get sadistic pleasure from oppressing them in any way possible or simply mass murder them. This level of propaganda is only possible from an entity as big and powerful as a government. That's how it works. Those sadists aren't crazy. They aren't necessarily immoral to anyone within their own group.
Danial Goldhagen ("Hitler's Willing Executioners") and Yuval Noah Harari ("Sapiens") understand all this very well. They were both unable to apply their deep humanism to ZIonism, because they too have cognitive dissonance. It's deeply tragic.
Nuke IRAN 💯👍🇺🇸💪
So when it comes to 🇮🇱 it’s about life and dignity, but when it comes to Palestinians, it’s about “Mission objectives by Generals”?
The hypocrisy is staggering.
That's common in a war zone.
Yeah it's called racism.
@@spyral00 Palestinians are very racist yes. As well as homophobic. They're also not fond of women's rights.
@@spyral00 theyre the same race
why does the video start in the middle of the conversation?
The full 2 hour version is posted on destinys and Eli’s page. This is filtered to make cenk more better. But rly he got slapped silly 😝
@@SgtHawk13 everyone can see your desperation. Your page shows you watch pro Pali videos and comment hate to argue with people all day. The obsession is crazy 😂😂
@@XanGervin yes I watch it. I’m not biased. I watch both sides
@@XanGervintake your pills cent censored this discussion it's obvious by the length of the video
@@SgtHawk13 It literally shows all you do is watch pro Pali videos and comment hate to argue with people 🤣
It’s never was going to be easy brother but we still show love ❤
Wait. Destiny JUST said, the Houthi's shouldn't get involved in a conflict that has nothing to do with them. So why is it okay for the US to be involved then?
It is in the interest of the US to protect trade routes from attacks. They have the largest/most powerful navy in history
@@MrDintub I didn't say the trade routes, I said the conflict. The US didn't need to give Israel more money and weapons to attack Gaza, which is an internal matter.
@@MrDintubthe U.S. is doing more than protectong trade routes. Isnt america giving Israel weapons to attack with???
@@marcjones744 would you rather the US ceased sending weapons entirely, and being in less of a position to restrain Israeli action?
If they're not sending weapons, they can't exactly threaten with stopping weapons shipment unless Israel chills a bit.
An unrestrained Israel in the wage of October 7th would be worse than what wr have now, no matter how bad it currently is
The truth in all of this would be to ask yourself why does Egypt and Jordan have some of the best border walls ever constructed to keep out the Palestinians.
Both Israel and Palestine need secular leadership.
Israel already has secular leadership
@@UpstarterinoKripperino They do not.
Palestine needs to have an actual government (not an Isreali puppet government) first 😂😂😂
Nethanyahu is secular
@UpstarterinoKripperino to remain in power, Neneyahu allied with right-wing religious extremists.
Just curious why is the debate cut down? The original version was over two hours long.
Cause cenk doesn’t wanna show destiny putting him in his place 😂
Cuz Cenk got humiliated repeatedly 🤣
One of the problems with the country is people see dbates as nothing but gotchas instead of acrually listening to both perspectives. I agree with a lot of what both of them have to say. @SgtHawk13
@@SgtHawk13 When Destiny becomes hysterical?
When the two sides just start yelling over each other the moderater of the debate has to step in and calm things down.
It’s cause cenk started raising his voice sooo much!!1
I don’t really seeing Destiny yelling. That was mostly Cenk
@@CharlesLe-thephotographer Fair. I'm not trying to put shade on Destiny, this was more of a comment to the people who own the channel
Cenk one of the most understandable people about Palestinians situations and I really as Palestinian salute you and respect you. Thank you for speaking on behalf of Palestinians and please keep doing your excellent work
as long as you are not brainwashed everything is obvious.
@@saneman751
Brainwashed!? You can say that to anyone except Palestinians. They are the owners of that land. Maybe you are Brainwashed and should be educate yourself more about the history of Palestine 🇵🇸
Your side would get more traction if more of the Palestinian mouth pieces were able to be HONEST the way Destiny is.
Of course he's understandable, he makes childish arguments that only a teenager who barely knows anything about it would make
@@jeffgojail
Childish! .. he's is the most logic guy
Destiny never heard about people having a problem with death numbers…Vietnam said hold my beer.
Fantastic point
Dammit what a point. Good on you sir
Yeah, that was ridiculous. Sounded like, "I wasn't around then, so it didn't happen." Dude could use a little pre-Destiny history.
@@RevBullworth It was a pissing contest between the west and commies. It wasn't worth the mass civilian casualties and damn sure not worth like 70k American soldiers. To say that we needed more death so we could say we "won", makes me wonder what kind of person would suggest such a thing. How many were to be sacrificed for our pride?
@@RevBullworth While that's true, I guarantee you Destiny isn't aware of it. Or the history of most other conflicts that came before his time.
great debate! very informative. Question @TYT what are your views on HAMAS press release that wasn't publicized on mainstream media?
44:26 exactly
Why is Cenk on normal speed but the other guy is on 2X speed?
Left Wing Ben Shapiro?
vyvanse
Right? His speech speed is Hella awkward
Why was my comment deleted? I'll say it again.. destiny talks fast and is a grifter.. he tries to sound smart .. we live in a post truth world unfortunately.. listen to omar baddars debate with destiny and his post debate analysis and he mentions this strange cult like phenomenon of the post truth world on social media where destiny and Alex jones can get away with non sense by sounding smart
Because he’s on amphetamines. Literally.
Destiny = Ben Shapiro Light P.S. Not a compliment.
Yea, but I'm trying to watch my calories
@@kyle1235 If he talks like a Shapiro, quacks like a Shapiro, he is a Shapiro.🤔
I almost lost my mind when I saw them debate each other, haha.
their debate was so annoying to me because they agree on so much lol. destiny still gave him hell over trump though
Ben Shapiro is smarter and sneakier. But basically yes.
Peace is when you do not have worry about your security and live in happiness. To achieve peace you need justice.
Peace is the absence of violence, it is only safe if you lack a lot of freedom. To achieve peace you must avoid violence. Justice has nothing to do with either peace or safety.
@@Koush88 Injustice cause suffering to the oppressed and security anxiety to the oppressors. Both suffering and security anxiety destroys peace. Therefore the prerequisite to peace is justice my dear.
You know the genociders right now believe they have justice on their side, which they dont and thats why i believe that justice is subjective. Peace is clear cut and it at least garuntees that those that remain will suffer no further harm. Im sure they will seek their own justice in time. Its a human need i dont deny that.
@@Koush88 As I said above it - justice is based on universal morality. Without justice oppressed will always suffer. Justice means equal rights for all people you can reconcile past misdeeds and live in peace side by side like post apartheid SA.
Can we get rid of the IOF
Is there a version of this where it doesn’t start midway through a broadcast or is this just the beginning with 0 introductions?
th-cam.com/video/y4qGjKXKpUQ/w-d-xo.html
Destiny TH-cam channel
But it's pretty much the same thing
Makes me suspicious why they cut out the first part, but yea like others have said you can find the whole thing on Destinys channel.
@@nate8447 because these debats were worse for Cenks chances for presidency than any republican attack ad could have been. He got his naive ass handed to him
Abbas was such a good allie to Israel that they managed to build houses and infrastructure for 750 000 settlers right under his nose in the West Bank. Wonder why 92% of Palestinians think his a sell out? On the other hand Hamas had settlers removed, they had to be carried out of Gaza with help of the IDF
THOSE BLOOD THRISTY ZIONISTS WHO HAVE NO GENETIC TIES TO THAT LAND NEED TO CLEAR OUT. AND IT WILL HAPPEN AS THE PARTY IS OVER FOR ISRAEL. IT NOW SITS ON A TIME BOMB WHEN YOU THINK CLEARLY ABOUT IT. NO MATTER HOW GOOD THEIR MILITRY IS OR HOW MUCH $US4 FUNDED THAT MEANS NOTHING. THE SOONER THE ZIONISTS REALIZE THE PARTY IS OVER AND THEY HAVE ONLY A LIMITED TIME LEFT IN THE M.E, THE SOONER THEY CAN PLAN TO RESETTLE, WHERE THEY CAN LIVE IN PEACE.
Yep
He's literally a Holocaust denier who walked out on 2 different peace deals with no negotiations
Abbas (net worth $100M) could always try actually improving the lives of people in the West Bank rather than stuffing all that US and EU aid money in his pockets and using the spare change to pay the families of suicide bombers. Then he wouldn't have pissed off both the Israelis and the Arabs and might have something to show for his people.
@@etaithegamer1560 those were not peace deals ... they were "you get a state but we control your air and borders and have limited military power" thats literally why ukraine and russia are fighting now, why dont you say ukraine should've just accepted the 2 peace offers prior ?
I was all ready to compliment Destiny for not being the typical Netanyahu supporter, and then he becomes unhinged, accusing Cenk of anti-semitism and only just came up short of claiming that he supports Hamas. What a joke.
He's not anti-semitic. He's specifically anti-Jew. He's nothing more than a Hamas apologist.
Well Cenk was saying a lot of antisemtic shit, or are you that biased against Jews? Like claiming the only thing the IDF is doing in Gaza right now is trying punish Palestinians. Like, they have no business of being in Gaza except to act sadistically. But he doesn't even see Hamas as purely sadistic. SO WTF! If Cenk is really so pissed off at Israelis, but is also this neutral guy, then it makes no sense to me why he even gives a f*ck about what happens to the Palestinians when they bear a ton of culpability in all if this. Well, actually I think it's because he's antisemtic Turkish mf and has only muslim family members and is a terrorist sympathizer.
The debate I watched showed an unhinged Cenk with 70% of his argument being ad hominem attacks against Destiny. Cenk is arguably the strongest Pro Palestinian voice but he definitely did not deliver here.
Destinys arguments were way stronger.
Im a Destiny and TYT fan but yeah didnt like him too much here.
Interesting!
How can I join the live, I feel like saying sth about the war, I view this war in a different way
I say you really have to question the innate decency of a people who have so trivialized periodically recurring acts of murder as to callously refer to those recurring murders by means of a widely popularized -- and presumably "CUTE"(!!!) and/or "AMUSING"(!!!) -- phrase, namely, "MOWING THE LAWN"!!! I'm Jewish, and I say one MUST QUESTION ISRAEL'S DECENCY IN ITS PROSECUTION OF THIS BRUTAL WAR AGAINST DEFENSELESS INNOCENT PEOPLE!!! "Never forget!" and "Never again!" were NOT lessons for Jews alone, but for ALL human beings. How profoundly ironic it is that it should be ISRAEL ITSELF THAT HAS FORGOTTEN THESE VERY LESSONS!!!! South Africa has NOT so forgotten her OWN grievous past, and I believe that history will record and remember, in these dreadful events, the RIGHTEOUSNESS of South Africa.
Stop bringing my fu-cking country in your wars Yiu know nothing about our past nothing that I was fighting for nothing so shut the fu-ck up palastine is nothing like south Africa
Ah yes, the helpless Defenseless Gazan citizens that have a government that has been launching Missles into Israel for the last 15 years.
This war showed me the brutality of Israel. But it also showed me people like you with so much humanity to speak up against the oppression. I realized that Jewish people are probably the most upright, fair and just people.
Do you think Israel is manifesting the results of the trauma from Holocaust?
The people need healing. Time doesn't make everything go away. Inter generational trauma is causing the apathy against Palestineans.
@@yongestation You definitely deserve an answer from me, because of your OWN concern for the right and the good. FIRST OF ALL -- I do NOT agree that Jews are "probably the most upright, fair and just people". I would say, INSTEAD, that there are BOTH "angels" AND "devils" within ALL groups of people. You may rightly, for example, praise the intelligence demonstrated by those Jews who have been honored by the Nobel Prize Committee. You may rightly praise Marc Chagall. And you may rightly praise the humanitarian Emma Lazarus, who wrote the poem inscribed on the Statue of Liberty ("Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,/The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,/Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me . . . .") And you may certainly rightly respect and praise, Dr. Jonas Salk, who discovered the polio vaccine and then simply GAVE his discovery to the whole world, caring not for personal gain. Yes, you may -- and SHOULD -- praise such people as these, and, as a Jewish person, I do take some pride in the legitimate and humanity-serving accomplishments of such Jewish people. BUT, it can NEVER be right to judge ANY group as UNIQUELY upright, fair, and just. Especially not at a time when you see the horrors callously undertaken in these days by Israel's government (horrors supported, by the way, by too many in the general populace as well). The answer to your question about "inter-generational" "mental disorder" is a RESOUNDING "YES!". I believe that, collectively, the entire country of Israel teeters constantly on the edge of "mass PTSD" and "mass paranoia", stemming, ultimately, from the savage barbarism of the Holocaust endured by European Jews. By now, it's become kind of "baked in" through the influence of the traumatized older generation (and, of course, their descendants), as well as by repeated horrific terror attacks from both Palestinians and other Arab peoples over the years of Israel's history, but, now, the mental disorder is, quite specifically, being advanced and perpetuated by corrupt and bigoted people in power (i.e., Netanyahu and his cohort of advisors and military staff -- perhaps most notably through their recalling the Biblical genocide waged by the Israelites against the Amalekites. Netanyahu, by the way, like the former US president, strives to cling to power, at least in large part, TO AVOID PROSECUTION FOR HIS OWN CORRUPTION). No one should question that Israel has a right to defend itself against attack -- ABSOLUTELY -- but neither can anyone rightly countenance the current ruthless slaughter of INNOCENTS in Gaza and in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem. It is the latest oppressive act in an oppressive history of ethnic cleansing and occupation dating back seventy-six years both to the birth of Israel and to the Nakba in 1948. We say "two wrongs don't make a right", and I believe that that is true, BUT, if TWO wrongs don't make a right, then some TWENTY-SIX THOUSAND WRONGS (and still counting) CERTAINLY don't make a right either!!! The world was right to be appalled at what happened to the Jews in the Holocaust, and right also to establish the Genocide Convention, to which Israel is itself a signatory, and right, as well, in my view, to seek to establish a homeland for Jews in this world, and October 7th was, truly, an unimaginable and utterly deplorable horror, BUT Israel's hugely disproportionate "response" has horrified me even more. I would say that WE MUST ALL STOP THINKING, IN KNEE-JERK FASHION, IN TERMS -- PRINCIPALLY -- OF GROUP, OR CLAN, OR TRIBE. What the ENTIRE WORLD needs is CHARITY and JUSTICE. WHOEVER (and from WHATEVER "group") lacks charity and a decent sense of justice is spiritually BANKRUPT, simple as that. And WHOEVER (and from WHATEVER "group") thinks upon and practices charity and justice is, in my view, ALWAYS in the right in that thinking and in that practice. Like other countries, Israel is only SOMETIMES in the right . . . and THIS is simply NOT one of those times. I believe that South Africa and the International Court of Justice have both done the right thing in taking Israel's government to task and in the Court's issuance of provisional measures to halt Israel's barbaric and "plausibly genocidal" retribution against the people of Palestine.
@@noahgeorge5583ahh yes, another brainwashed low iq pro zion who doesn’t know history 😂
This video seems to start partway. Were there any introductions to either the speakers or even the topic? It’s like the beginning is clipped off and we are starting after Destiny has already begun. I didn’t see it live though; does anyone know if this was indeed the start of the conversation?
Destiny's channel has a playlist called "Stream VODs" with all the livestreams unlisted
@@rokoi3 Thanks kindly!
War can be very personal. So are the operations can be based on emotions
It would be nice if Cenk could find a point.
" We are the only people on earth asked to guarantee the security of our occupier ...... While Israel is the only country that calls for defense from it's victims." Hanan Ashrawi
Right on bro!!! He hit the nail on the head. The fundamental driving force behind the mentality/arguments Destiny presents, is the denial of occupation/dispossession, no real way to penetrate that, classic quote fits his arguments well, “you can’t change what you don’t acknowledge”. But yep, it’s totally backward thinking on Destiny’s behalf on many levels!
I recommended you go watch Destiny's longer video of this debate. Also, Destiny's argument about teh occupation is completely fair, this isn't a case where Israel have locked Palestinians in their back yard and Palestinians are retaliating. It's a case where Palestinians really only in the Gaza Strip. Have attacked, fired missiles and especially of late have a terrorist organisation's operating in the area. So after all that, they locked the area down. With surrounding Arab countries help mind you. Hamas even attacked them. When we look at it with the right context we ask ourselves what must be done next. And the best answer is Palestinians to change their mindset of wanting to fight their way out of it, and then peace, and two state solution can come down the line. Blaming Israel for the operation and not blaming Hamas for the attacks is just going to make this conflict go round in circles@@kosmoa.k.agizmokos7593
How selfish and short sighted a statement. Palestine is not the only people who this is occurring to. Yes it applies to them but why do you think the SA govt case stuck. It's AFRICANS who are the heaviest persecuted and AFRICANS who will lead the way to freedom. NOTE that HEBREW is an AFRO SEMETIC language and that being Hebrew means you are accepting and AFRICAN religion. Europeans appropriated the language and religion for a false claim to land and a cover for evil.
@@lesserlight Yes and they (the right wingers) Treat Afro Jews like crap as well!
@@kosmoa.k.agizmokos7593”you can’t change what you don’t acknowledge” destiny has acknowledged the occupation. I think both you, and Jenk aren’t acknowledging what came right after what Destiny said when talking about the occupation. And that’s the fact that Palestinians and Hamas hate Israel and want to fight. Let’s pretend Israel lifted the occupation. They would have to endure more terrorist attack from a more powerful Hamas now they don’t occupy the area. People always then switch to the argument well “why do Palestine and Hamas want to attack” missing out the fact that they occupied the area after being attacked. Same for the blockade, surrounding Arab countries helping the blockade into Gaza. Stopping Hamas from getting too powerful. Acknowledging and understand ping what I just said is important because then at the very least you wouldn’t be siding with Jenk on this but Destiny
wow the Kenyans too we are in this!
Cenk got very animated again, if he could reel it in a smidge he truly would be the best opposition debater on this topic for destiny
You posted "Ana is looking so 🔥, gimmie gimmie more news mommy. 😂" on a different TYT video.
yea, and? lol@@transformersloverjon
I've only seen Destiny a handful of times, but I've noticed that sometimes it seems like he's just arguing to argue. It just seems fake at some level. You're real, Cenk. We love you for it, too!
I think he thinks arguing is an important way to persuade people and hold them to account for their public pronouncements. It’s essentially his career now, like lots of pundits. He’s certainly not as passionate about the topic as Chenk, but that doesn’t mean he’s unpersuasive, so if people like Chenk are right they need to win decisively against people with Destiny’s views
Generally speaking it’s because he can disassociate from the argument itself and remove some of the emotional connection. So his statements will seem fake relative to cenk who is arguing with his heart and soul regardless of if his position is correct or not.
@fifab82 Thanks, that's an interesting comment. I don't know much about the guy. You are right, though. When they were talking about the Houthis it struck me how different some of my views are to more capitalistic or "mainstream" views. Anyway, let's keep the convos going!
"debate bros" are contrarians for the sake of contrarians. often taking the most centrist position in order to argue with both sides.
@aweshumandy well that's it, then this "debate bro" thing is a whole new world for me. I guess we all gotta make a buck lol
Destiny needs to stop doing coke.
It’s literally impossible for these streamers to stop doing that. They need the energy to do their content for 90 hours a week.
Comparing Gaza and Hamas to Nazi Germany and imperial Japan is plainly ridiculous. Hamas governs a small area occupied by Israel. It fires small ineffectual rockets and breached the fence to carry out a terror attack. Israel has a modern army superbly weaponised and funded by the US
Destiny believes Israel should keep slaughtering Garza’s civilians until, like Germany and Japan, Hamas surrenders. Hamas doesn’t give a stuff about dead or starving Palestinians and won’t surrender
I think Destiny is neurodivergent. Adhd maybe even autism
@@DJ-ce3hq he’s a multimillionaire who can afford speech therapy
@@NeoGio28 is he really that incoherent? At least he knows what he’s talking about I guess
Thank you Cenk your anger and the way you express what’s going on is exactly how we all all feel as a Palestinian i salute you
You shouldn't thank that it makes him lose because he gave no real solutions
Cenk got curb stomped here, if you're happy about that as a Palestinian you're not being rational
Yes, lack of emotional control and bursts of anger is how you feel. Look at how it has helped.
I'm listening to destiny lose his cool right now??
Terrorists salute Cenk. Awesome.
All help is welcome brother
Good to hear both sides - it's entertaining. Someone in chat said Destiny speaks in 1.5x, I totally agree.
Destiny absolutely wins this debate. Youlld have to be a religious believer to think otherwise 😂
or be anti gentile @@scotchbarrel4429
To hide his lies
aderall.
“Moderate” Ben Shapiro
Destiny, the same cu(k who said on live, "I'm pro gen0side".
Lol out of context. He gave a hypothetical scenario and said if that hypothetical scenario was true then he guesses hes pro genocide.
@@TakashiToshirounope. During one of their heated exchanges, cenk asks destiny how many dead Palestinians would it takes to satisfy the death machine and destiny said however many it takes but unfortunately he was talked over by cenk because cenk was going on his own momentum. Destiny then says later on again that however many dead Palestinians it takes it's ok with him. ... So you're wrong.
@@prime3106this didn’t happen idk why you lie and to the pro genocide comment that is also the mis dishonest thing you can say if you haven’t watched the whole clip
@@TakashiToshiroucoping hard dude
He did say it, but I highly doubt he meant it like you guys actually think. He was being tongue in cheek
SHAME on hamas and all those who support them
Cenk steamrolls and strawmans
Does occur to you guys that Palestinians have the right to defend themselves???Destiny feels sorry for the the dead Palestinians on the other hand he doesn’t mind it, what a logic!!
Perhaps if they gave up the notion of fighting till Israel no longer exists, they might get somewhere.
But uh, Palestine attacked israel?
Unfortunately war tends to have a disgusting civilian casualty rate. If a civilian defends themselves from lethal IDF force, nobody would fault them for that. However hamas is more or less a tool for Israel at this point. They just him Zionist indefinite justification for there expansionism and maintaining security across palestine
@@ade8890 this is actually part of why destiny believes the Palestinians have to be the ones who drive the peace talks. Because with or without peace, Israel is gradually winning more and more.
@@mbrown7325 yup. Iran is the number one exporter of terrorism. Israel was able to make peace with every other surrounding Arab nation, so there’s no reason to believe that’s not something they want. However, if a weaker country is trying to attack a stronger country, you’re just going to lose more footing than you already have.
Cenk did great because he has truth on his side.
Absolutely not
😂😂😂 he got taken apart by a guy that calls himself destiny
Truth on his side lmao. His arguments were loaded with emotion.
No, he did better because he wasn't screaming like a jackass. A shared weakness with Trumpers and Progressives is their inability to formulate an argument. Yelling, name calling etc. doesn't win debates.
@@somchai272 Destiny got heated himself, but at the end of the day, it comes down to logic and substance. Destiny has near none on this particular topic.
The Geneva convention was established in 1864 and them after WWII in 1948 they added more protocols
Could you give the other side to respond
The right wing government of Israel formed by Netanyahu didn't form after the second intifada, it was coming to power when Rabin was assassinated.
Also, none of Israel's military strategies have ever been successful assuming the objective isn't land annexation. The blockade was up for 18 years and Hamas only grew stronger.
Also, Gazans protested against Hamas prior to 10/7 for better living conditions. Hamas only won their 2006 election 45% to Fatah's 41%.
Gazans are not Hamas Destiny. You use the same argument Hitchens used to smear the Iraqi people as Zarqawi collaborators.
No... HAMAS is HAMAS... Literally find me when he said they're anything but terrorists. HAMAS hide out among CITIZENS. HAMAS, as with any conflicts in the history of modern war laws, IS CONSIDERED Responsible FOR THE COLLATERAL DEATHS/DAMAGE UNTILL THEY STOP BEING TERRORISTS. do you understand now kiddo?
75% opinion, 25% strawmanning destiny, 100% retarded tankie bullshit.
Polls before the war showed that Hamas had almost 60% of support. Also important to note that there was no blockade until Hamas started firing rockets at Israel after they took over the Gaza strip.
@@secondbest7433 FOR REAL 😂. But you need to remember you're trying to get through to tankies.
@@secondbest7433 which polls? And no you have your propaganda wrong, the blockade went up because of suicide attacks.
How would the blockade stop rockets? That's why rockets started to appear in the first place, to get over the blockade.
Also, if Hamas is a terrorist organization, why did Netanyahu for years before 10/7 try to legitimize and negotiate with their government? Netanyahu tried to negotiate with terrorists? How does that work?
Because it's only since 10/7 that they're recognized in this light. Hamas did not have the same reputation before 10/7, yet you make these arguments as if they've been committing 10/7 atrocities daily for years while unironically Israel is the country who kills thousands every few years.
support from Bosnia and Herzegovina for the Palestinians, we know what genocide means, our neighbors Serbia and Croatia tried the same situation in Bosnia as in the Palestinian neighborhood, they got help, we ourselves were embargoed on weapons from America and Europe against Russian, Romanian and Greek volunteers against Yugoslavia the army against the Croatian army, paramilitary serbs and croats, we endured everything and won the war,Bosnia survived and now we are stronger, and no one will ever be able to attack bosnia without getting an answer at the same second.
We aren’t stronger. All our people leave the country for work/education, especially our young generation.
I seem to recall Serbia being bombed and attacked by NATO ?
@Abshirayamisra so it's not like the west does nothing to help muslims even against christians
We should have the same feelings for all people to be honest ❤
According to Destinies logic, the Third Reich was a defending country during ww2.
Im on ur side, but why? Did he imply that here somewhere?
Cenk actually spoke about the reality rather than just to win a debate, spot on
Destiny likes to tell us that he doesn't know something, and then proceed to tell us how it works and what needs to be done with it
How *he thinks* it works.
Example please.
@@info_dash313 Here's a new video from Omar Baddar proving that Destiny lied about many things in their debate th-cam.com/video/IDXeIYhlh0E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=1EFussGdoYUuPlfc&t=28
I actually appreciate that about her. Nowadays there’s too many self titled “experts”. I just can’t trust someone who can’t admit they may not know everything or consider that their opinion isn’t exactly perfect. Constant appeals to authority that doesn’t exist… condescending appeals to “obvious truth” or “common sense”.
I was actually impressed with the knowledge Destiny had on the Middle East and its history. Everything he said was pretty accurate, at least by mainstream history’s standards. Cenk brought algebra to a quantum mechanics class. He had no idea what was going on.
You cannot kill an idea. There will always be resistance to oppression.
This is d sad truth
It’s a nice revolutionary thought but the sad reality is you can always go the way of the Carthaginians.
Destiny irks me with how fast he talks so hyper 🤦🏽♀️ almost like sounds unreal like a machine talking on fast 4ward 😂
Still gets his point across
Cenk grew up watching too much wwe. He gets animated like the ultimate warrior
Tone policing has little value ..
@@sharper68good one
It was called the WWF when he was growing up
@@ytdave354 haha I know it sounds way better calling it WWF I don't like WWE. Stupid wild life advocates
That's what people who don't know Jack schitt about what they're talking about, like say when the Geneva conventions were written, deflect from their lack of knowledge, by performing
Bruhhh why not post raw footage....whats with the jump cuts!!
th-cam.com/video/y4qGjKXKpUQ/w-d-xo.html
Someone needs to put a timer on Cenk. He’s so insecure about his points that he doesn’t let anyone else talk
Totally wrong
@@zizo015 good one
He knows a lot more than Destiny. But he still respects him and wishes for him to change his mind to something more humane
@@ZeanIkLaurie Cenk constantly cut off Destiny and even the moderator after talking forever and doing little character voices for his strawman arguments. cenkforAmerica was embarrassingly disrespectful in this debate
@@Carvaka reply with the strawman arguments. For every two of them Destiny probably made three or four. He spoke for longer but the first minutes he actually held some hope for Destiny. The point of no return was probably after half an hour, after a bunch of Zionist strawmans that were pretty racist and dehumanizing.
i like how destiny opens by admitting “eliminating hamas” is a nebulous war aim which israel has never bothered to explain with any seriousness or logistic specificity, but he thinks that’s sensible and reasonable and rests his case. lmao what. i thought this guy was supposed to be some kind of ace debater
Bro sucks down Israeli propaganda just as good as how he sucked Ben Shapiro during their “debate”
"I'm going to start with what does not work. Eliminating hamas? It's comical."
Germany, the IJA, the IJN, the Italian Army would like a word.
I think this is where Destiny's logic actually breaks down, by comparing Hamas to a conventional army. Hamas is more like the vietkong, taliban, and other insurgent groups embedded in the population. If Hamas was a conventional military like the IJA, Destiny's idea of defeating Hamas via military defeat would make sense
@@feloniousshlong That's just not true. While Germany remained relatively conventional the majority of the war, by the end they were almost entirely infantry, fighting on the streets of Berlin if they weren't surrendering to the allies, *and* there were talks of trying to continue via guerilla warfare only stopped because of how much destruction Germany had already been subject to.
The IJA 100% turned into a force that engaged in guerilla warfare by the end as seen in Peleilu and the general island-hopping campaigns. It was to the point the civilian population was being trained to carry out exactly this should the allies invade.
Korea was more conventional than the last days of World War Two.
The solution always remained the same.
So, no, Destiny's point doesn't break down here whatsoever.
@@feloniousshlong I don't know if you deleted that reply or if it got deleted by TH-cam itself, but no.
You need to give me a real difference between Hamas and Germany and Japan's militaries at the end of World War Two other than "but Germany and Japan *had* a conventional military". That's irrelevant when by the end both country's armies acted and had the same goals as Hamas.
@@dfmrcv862 yeah I can't even have a discussion on YT, or any other social media without it being censored. Gotta love "freedom of speech". Peace.
@@dfmrcv862 my main point was that you're comparing militaries in a war vs Hamas. Treating the IJA and Italian military as if they're the same as insurgent groups like Hamas, viet cong, IRA leads to strategic defeat. Israel's campaign of indescriminate bombing will radicalize more people towards Hamas, absent any possibility of a brighter political future. I would love to see Hamas surrender tomorrow, I'm just speaking of the reality on the ground. Israel is headed for strategic defeat if it thinks it can just bomb an ideology out of a people. Germany and Japan had governments behind the military to facilitate a surrender, while Palestine is just an occupied landmass where there is no current functioning government. I don't see a purely military operation where Hamas faces a total defeat. Wherein militaries have military objectives, Hamas' only true viable objective is survival. The axis powers in WW2 were actually trying to defeat the allied powers militarily. Hamas knows they can't do that with rpgs and ak's, the objectives of the axis powers vs Hamas couldn't be more different. Hamas couldn't actually believe that they could defeat Israel militarily, while the axis powers were fighting for military domination over the allies. Hamas will continue to win by just surviving, they'll fight until the last man with ak's in flip flops and jeans. They unfortunately are not deterred by Palestinian civilian killing and destruction.
He feels like that because he cares
I truely dont understand how u guys are incapable of listening to someone speak faster than 30 words a minute. Regardless of ur opinions on the facts of the matter, I for one think cenk is well meaning, i may disagree with some of what he says but I truely dont understand why u guys are complaining so heavily about how fast destiny is speaking, turn your brain on please, it is not that difficult to listen to
Totally agree. I also think cenk is oversimplifying BOTH his and destiny’s argument. It’s very weird
@@liamobrien6044I think he emotional I think he just needs to calm down a little bit
You can not reason and negotiate with Destiny. He wants it his way or highway.
Destiny looks so ignorant
What makes you say that, what is he getting wrong?
Thats because he is 😂
Clueless
This wold is very injust for same... i cry every day for the childrens of palestine..peace now..peace
Yeah. Palestine, be peaceful.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitoryeah..Radical IDF and Radical Illegal Settlers be peaceful.. there fixed it for you!!
Tell hamas to stop training kids to kill people then.
The terrorists that are raised as children to end Jews?
No you don't.
This debate said literally nothing about the complete lack of care and possibly pretextual leaving the border unattended and not paying attention to the multiple signs of a pending attack.
They also said pretty much nothing about the fact that regardless of what the stated military objective is there are multiple elected officials outright stating that they intend to ethnically cleanse the area and that their focus is on damage not accuracy.
Lastly the debate pretty much missed a discussion about the fact that Hamas is at the operational capacity it is largely due to funding by Netanyahu himself. Who has bragged about torpedoing any chance of a Palestinian State multiple times in public.
So even IF Israel didnt defend its border on purpose, how on earth does that diminish what hamas did ? THEY DID THE FIRST STRIKE. Its so funny people are so easy to forget why israel is even in war with them.
@@gamEnjoyLP where did I diminish the heinous terrorist attack?
What's really ironic is how the IDF hasbara has blinded the general public to the fact that this has been what the majority of the Israeli political class has wanted.
They literally funded Hamas in order to make it intractable, and killed it's opposition leaders snuffing out any viable dissent in the strip or political solidarity with the West Bank. Then waited for the perfect moment to initiate their long awaited ethnic cleansing campaign.
We know they silenced the female intel soldiers who warned about the attack. Then sat on the extremely detailed Hamas plan when Egypt and other entities literally dropped it in their lap.
They have said this is what they wanted to do since before 2005 in broad daylight, even in the Israeli press. Hell these leaders are still saying it to this day. You have a convicted terrorist (ben-Gvir) and a self-avowed xenophobic fascist (Smotrich) on the War Cabinet with Bibi. Plus Bibi has sworn to diminish political aspirations of the Gaza population and never allow a 2 state solution for over 20 years.
At least the ultra right wingers in Israel aren't ashamed to admit this is what they've wanted to do when they go on Israeli news channels.
It's all these other credulous ppl who somehow play coy as if their obvious strategy isn't staring us in our face. We are not dumb. We can be outraged at what happened to the Israeli innocent civilians and also see that their government is using them to justify a clear alterior motive.
Any student of world history knows this divide and conquer > dehumanization > ethnic cleansing > cultural erasure process. It's not new. They are going to make Gaza unlivable, "thin the population" as Bibi said he wants to do, finish the highways they've started building through it, allows fanatical settlers to colonize it, build an oil port, and profit off the oil exploration.
It's not that hard to figure out.
why does destiny show up to these debates??? he just sounds like a cokehead. makes no sense
Cenk, I am glad that you accomplished a lot in this debate but I’m still disappointed that you literally did not bring up the fact that Israel and BiBI knew about the attacks 10 days prior to the attacks knew about the festival attacks and also knew about the attack year advance. Israel knew, and did nothing about it and they removed forces from their so heavily protected border of Israel!
I didnt know that, but sounds about right, if Israel was looking for a reason to do a genocide....
Because fiction =/= facts
Wow I’m surprised TYT even posted this
Good for them Destiny is a psychopath
Cenk got destroyed 😂
Yeah, but you'll notice how they purposely cut out Destiny's entire opening argument
@@DaleEarnhardt_ “Oh golly gee,😱” 90% of chenks argument 😂😂
Cenk did great, destiny looked like a psycho. "How many people asked how many Vietnamese must die in the Vietnam war" he asked as if the answer was 0. Complete projection from an unhinged individual.
Why is Destiny getting in the way of Cenk's monologue?
Because you need to reply to he answers but he speaks too long that the issue
The US navy should 100% defend ships that fly a US flag. If the company wanted to save $$ by flagging their ship to the Bahamas or whatever, then they should be defended by the Bahamian Navy. Basing it on the destination or the cargo or ownership is just a BS excuse to spend defense money.
I believe Vietnam was ended because Americans fought in the streets to end that imperialist war. So destiny you try slowing your speaking cadence so that your mind can actually think. Good luck.
Those street protest just extended the Vietnam War. Americans were so pissed off with protests they voted Nixon into power in a landslide and he extended the war for at least 4 years. Protests don't do shit unless most people agree with them already. They actually hurt your cause more often than not.
I think america was fighting socialism in vietnam... Not imperialism. There is a difference.Thats the propoganda they tell us in school; that America fights freedom. Im just learning thats not quite true. Didnt we pull out of the vietnam and the socialists won anyway? I gotta fact check tho... Not sure
VIetnam never came to the US and killed 1200 people. The US just decided to send an army to the other side of the world to spite the USSR.
so it would require Israeilis to do the same. But that isn't really going to happen. Hamas should surrender.
Too bad the palestinians just want to keep killing jews. Israel will keep getting attacked until all jews are dead. Cenk is telling jews to surrender because the Paleetinians won't. Now hes saying "They won't say dirty Muslims, but they mean dirty Muslims. Apparently, Cenk is a mind reader.
Destiny needs to understand that talking fast with out making any coherent points makes people over the age of 18 just think you are a spaz. it might work on twitch but this is you tube and TYT viewers are not 6-18 years old.
he does make coherent points, your brain just can't keep up with what he's saying
cope@@voss9352
@@voss9352 exactly
@@voss9352yeah, our brains are just overloaded by all the high level ideas he’s presenting. Sure buddy.
I used to be a fan of destiny’s but he’s shifted so far to the right over the past five years that he’s practically unrecognisable. Never thought I’d see him defend genocide and advocate for ethnostates
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Yep👍stunning points far too complex to understand!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
A wise man recently said I will not debate someone named destiny or Charlemagne
The way we ended tensions after the Civil war is a pretty good lesson in both what needs to be done (regardless of if it's two, or single state solution), and how hard of a thing that is to do, in perpetuity. Those tensions, in fact, still bubble up in modern America.
But the idea is that the bigger nation has to drop this punitive attitude, and the smaller state/nation/group or whatever, has to learn to let it go. Otherwise it's just a cycle of violence that well forever spiral.
The hard truth, however, if you purely want to debate practical realities, is that it's not going to end, and that there's no foreseeable solution that's going to bear ANY lasting fruit. Precisely because there is no element, on either side, with any real political clout that's willing to let any of it go. Both the cultural entities of the Israeli, and Palestinian people have practically defined their mutual cultural existence as diametrically opposed, as both victims, and as seekers of justice. And that's the moderate people from both sides. The radicals both want actual genocide.
Did he say he doesn’t understand why we make excuses for Palestinians? Why can’t he hear the truth of the matter.
Destiny's argument most likely in this case is routed in the fact people's arguments for making excuses for the Palestinian people
1. Isn't routed in facts.
2. Ignores any excuses that can and could fairly be made for Israel. There may be more but yeah
I don’t know who the hell is this destiny” I just can believe they exist people like him just piece of idiot with no humanity on him self period 🤮🤮🤮
@@DJ-ce3hq Cenk didn’t make any excuses for the Palestinians. It’s just that Destiny is too daft to grasp the difference between excusing an act and explaining why it happened 🙄
@@heartfeltteaching that's arguably the exact same thing but let's say it isn't. No bias towards Destiny but I think it's fair to say that with his intelligence he definitely understands the difference. More so than Jenk would
my thing is ,if we really are to be so pro isreal ,why do we have to hear so much of the isreali lies ? if they were innocent ,the truth would not have to be so hard to tell from there side . the world has been pro Israel for so long people are changing not simply cuz of ignorance but because people are not ok with Israel way of handling the situation.
Wow destiny is sick In the head
By providing facts? Get a grip kid
@@mario3war Destiny is fighting against the truth, one day or another he will lose. I've seen something similar during the Iraq War, a lot of cocky pseudo-intellectuals defending the invasion and saying that the WMDs were real, in the end, most of them were forgotten and ridiculed.
@@fleisbester612 so you’re basically saying that destiny will lose an argument on TH-cam. Dude you can’t be serious. All destiny was saying is that all the surrounding Arab states have attacked Israel. So this is a complicated situation. There is no clear right or wrong side here. You need to stop wearing pampers and actually pay attention. Focus kid. You’re replying 2 weeks later. It’s pathetic.
@@fleisbester612damn he got you boy. Do yourself a favor and delete your TH-cam account. Just start all over because you are embarrassing yourself.
@@mario3war I'm saying that he already lost all his premise, and sooner or later he will be confronted by reality, as all the warmongering clowns before him.
Who are they to talk military
Dude lost his wife and now he’s talking about geopolitics
Take care of your home before speaking about the world
This has to be a joke
Hello good sir, has anyone introduced to you the concept of the "Ad Hominem"?
REALLY enjoy these debates between Destiny and Cenk. Always passionate and respectful i wish our politics was this intelligent.
Destiny is a hack, talks about things with such confidence that he knows nothing about. Bro really said there should be no red line and no stop to the slaughter, because “Palestinian people voted for this”. He’s an idiot.
I mean Steven is polite, Cenk just screams like Alex Jones
You associate cenk with intelligence?🤣🤣🤣
I can't believe you consider Cenk respectful. He is so obviously racist towards Jews and doesn't want to talk about history before 1967.
@@charleyblack6796Listening to Destiny made me dumb😂😂😂
Does Cenk plead for a Kurd state?
That means you support the argument that the Palestinians should get an independent state.
@@mohammedshafiullah4110 Palestinians are just Jordanians with a made up name
Definitely not a Red Herring argument.
Re: 32:30 lost what lingering amount of respect I had for Cenk right here.
Very right.. his logic is that war is about hate and thus all war is genoside. Makes no sense.
Mr. Ugyur makes Sense the other guy does not. Time out for this to be debated with those that want the same situation to go on
Kudos to Eli Hassell who moderated this debate. He's quickly becoming the best and most visible debate moderator in the biz.
He barely said anything 😅😅
He's very good, he keeps the debate on topic when he needs to. Didn't say much here but on that Destiny Greenwald debate he was solid.
No he's not. He tried interuppting both multiple times and got run over.
@@ChunkyJohe tried interrupting them because they were going off topic and getting extremely heated. That’s how debate moderators work.
He also is Jewish
Cenk needs to stop doing the strawman indignation every goddamn time, it's getting fckn embarrassing.
Backing up a genocide is embarrassing
This is the truth, the hatred is deeply rooted in religion.
Who tf is Destiny? Never heard of him. He needs a less basic name.
Your name is Michael, hush
@@noahgeorge5583 Ouch.
He's been thinking about re-branding to his real name as of late.
@@noahgeorge5583 😆
@@abdc2990 He should lol. It makes me think of Destiny's Child too much. He's too boring to carry that name.
Destiny ( occupation may bother Palestinians)WoW really that is your argument. How arrogant and ignorant
hes a complete amateur with No Real World Education or Life Experience. He somehow got a following Lucky for him … But hes not serious FINKELSTEIN WAS SO BEYOND WISE NOT TO EVEN ENTERTAIN A DISCUSSION DEBATE WITH THIS FOOL
Might makes right.
@@ItsAllCulturalMarxism so bin laden was right?
That's not his argument. Even if he said that, it doesn't take away or tear down from his main argument points
@@DJ-ce3hqHis points are stupid. He's essentially blaming occupied people who have systematically been eradicated for 75 years as the ones responsible. He's an idiot.
Like these heated but cordial discussions with Cenk and Destiny. Keep it up!
Yh lovely cordial discussion supporting gen0cide while people are getting killed to steal their land but yes lovely and cordial yes how lovely.
Maybe not the heated part, Cenk just got out of control and emotional and the conversation was going nowhere after that
Cenk is embarrassing to watch, he’s like a little kid who can’t control his anger. I wonder how red his face would be if he was white.
@@wowwhyisthistaken Right. Cenk is emotional and sometimes it devalues his statements.
i thought cenk ws an atheist, but on Piers Morgan he said he was a muslim. im sure hes not bias though 🙄
no one is not biased
Cenk Yogurt is a joke
I guess he means he's culturally a Muslim, but he doesn't believe in a God.
Secular Muslims are always muslims with islamic alliances and ideals
It's impossible defend what's indefensible yet deceivers and fools will persistently try.
Definitely wasn’t destiny kid
@mario3war it all goes back to those occupying those who are being occupied. It starts and end there....
@@QadeerHuss that’s such a low IQ answer that I think it’s in the negatives. Like you have negative brain or something. Obviously Israel does a lot of f’ed up stuff. But you can’t act like the surrounding Arab countries haven’t had their share of f’ed up actions that caused this paranoia from Israel. I swear people just pick a side with no validity or thought behind their decision nowadays. Meritless opinions. Grow up kid. Go read a book or something. Educate yourself.
@@QadeerHussno one occupied Gaza for over a decade the occupation argument is imaginary the West Bank is occupied and they weren’t the ones who attacked isreal. The reality is isreal exist and simply saying their existence is a occupation means forger war or a Gaza genocide until there is no Gaza because obviously they aren’t gonna simply say there existence is occupation and give back the land
@@QadeerHuss If you are a gullible idiot, yeah, then it starts and stops there for you.
How much coffee did beardy guy drink prior to going live ?
think that gotta have been amphetamines!
He had vyvanse
Less coffee than you need to understand his position
i can't bring myself to believe it's only caffeine but whatever it is, it's not helping him.
As opposed to what? Screaming hyperbolically like an overemotional walrus?
Destiny is absolutely braindead
In an earlier debate, Destiny said that he would take issue with the IDF response once the Palestinian death toll reached 20 or 30 thousand... Also, the leadership for Hamas is in Qatar!!!!! So obviously, they won't be killed... This is such an obviously impossible mission... I honestly think Destiny will keep changing his rhetoric regardless of how many civilians are slaughtered. He didn't even realize that the ratio of Israeli civilian casualties to soldiers during October 7th was lower than the civilian casualty ratio in the retaliation. It's wild how purposely ignorant Destiny has remained on this issue.
A few thousand bucks can get you blind
Cope harder
Destiny- Palestinians should pay with their lives for the actions of their government because they once elected it, but the u.s. and u.k. citizens shouldn't have to suffer the actions of their governments by having to pay higher prices for goods.
The one’s most affected by the canal being shutdown are people in North Africa who’s food shipments are rotting on containment ships going all the way around the tip of South Africa
@@AntiTheBirdit’s not a canal. It’s the bab-Al-Mandab strait. We should care more about genocide than product goods.
Palestinians are indeed victims of their insane government. Also international shipping affects everyone, not just the US and UK lmao. If anything trade routes in the Red Sea most greatly affect THAT region. The US in particular overwhelmingly trades with its neighbors Canada and Mexico.
The UK isn’t trying the kill civillians in another country
Destiny is soulless
No, you are
It's an aesthetic to appear objective and stoic, until he mixes up Egypt and Turkey.
Genius.
You ate brainless and so is cenk
hes a narcissist and he knows jack all about emotions. he has no business be taken seriously
And yemen with the world @@pff1974
Cenk acts like Palestinians are saints.
interesting point you bring up. actually the facts are that the palestinians are totally innocent. they are occupied and it is confirmed by the US goverment for over 75 years. so when you referred to them as saints. well innocence and saints? i will let you compare. Danke.
You know you’ve jumped the shitlib shark full on when you’re making Cenk Uyger look like Karl Marx. Sheesh.
Where is Ana
Supporting Armenia meanwhile
Are state actors paying off influencers again? Where can I look at foreign agent registrations?
I mean destiny the idf money is pouring from his gullet
Just ask Israel, they're paying anyone who wants to stream Pro for them to spin their narrative. It's like a record on repeat.
@@zeusjukem9484how?
What’s wrong with Destiny?
Haha classic. If someone has a different opinion from you then they are a paid agent.
1. Before Israel, there was a British mandate, not a Palestinian state
2. Before the British Mandate, there was the Ottoman Empire, not a Palestinian state.
3. Before the Ottoman Empire, there was the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, not a Palestinian state.
4. Before the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, there was the Ayubid Arab-Kurdish Empire, not a Palestinian state.
5. Before the Ayubid Empire, there was the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not a Palestinian state.
6. Before the Kingdom of Jerusalem, there was the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, not a Palestinian state.
7. Before the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, there was the Byzantine empire, not a Palestinian state.
8. Before the Byzantine Empire, there were the Sassanids, not a Palestinian state.
9. Before the Sassanid Empire, there was the Byzantine Empire, not a Palestinian state.
10. Before the Byzantine Empire, there was the Roman Empire, not a Palestinian state.
11. Before the Roman Empire, there was the Hasmonean state, not a Palestinian state.
12. Before the Hasmonean state, there was the Seleucid, not a Palestinian state.
13. Before the Seleucid empire, there was the empire of Alexander the Great, not a Palestinian state.
14. Before the empire of Alexander the Great, there was the Persian empire, not a Palestinian state.
15. Before the Persian Empire, there was the Babylonian Empire, not a Palestinian state.
16. Before the Babylonian Empire, there were the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, not a Palestinian state.
17. Before the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was the Kingdom of Israel, not a Palestinian state.
18. Before the kingdom of Israel, there was the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, not a Palestinian state.
19. Before the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, there was an agglomeration of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a Palestinian state.
20. Actually, in this piece of land there has been everything, EXCEPT A PALESTINIAN STATE.
(Borrowed from a friend)
A little more history for those wanting to 'restore Palestine'.
In 132 AD the Emperor Hadrian resolved to stamp the Jews and their religion out of existence. He sold all Jewish prisoners into slavery after the revolt of Bar Kikhba, forbade the teaching of the Torah, renamed the province Syria Palaestina, and changed Jerusalem’s name to Aelia Capitolina. He renamed Israel to wipe out the national identity of Israel and the Jews.
So if you are looking to 'restore Palestine to the Palestinians', you need to give it back to the Jews.
Why does Cenk discount wars against Israel 50 years ago as irrelevant and a “bajillion” years ago but when its issues around the establishment of Israel 70+ years ago completely valid and justification for current Palestinian hatred toward Israel and Jews. He seems insanely hypocritical on so many issues
Because the creation of Israel was wrong and everything that came after was a reaction to that.
Another n*zi shows his face@@rigsby86
My comment was deleted let's see if it stays this time. Destiny said he's pro genocide in his own words. he openly admists being pro genocide
'Stave off peace'' ? I never heard it called THAT before.
What have Palestinians done to deserve peace? What have they done to deserve their own state? Why would another Muslim theocratic autocracy scrambling for a nuclear weapon be a good thing in this world?
He accidentally admitted what Israel’s been doing for decades and decades
Well the war is 75 years old now.
More like a 120
We can go back even father honestly like 2000 years @@hiphopotal
@@EmperorDxD
If only there were "Palestinians" back then
@@EmperorDxDthe Jews in 2000 years ago were closer to the Arabs than than the modern Jewish people who have 80% European ancestry
Started 1880's
“If someone should sue you for your tunic give him your cloak as well”
It was their destiny to meet
I struggle to understand how he doesn't consider bibi an extremist? Its so clear. Also stop calling the occupied people terrorists. Man, im just a girl from canaywith absolutely no ties to this and I can see exactly whats happening. It seems like Destiny's solution is for the Palestinians to give up
advice to you don't watch western media if you want know truth
He does consider BB extreme. But BB isn't all of Israel. The actions of Israel have been in many ways logical.
Hamas is a terrorist organisation. The population supports them or their goals in general. The population supports violence. When the music festival's r***d and mutilated bodies were dragged through the streets, even the Palestinian children clapped. This is a radical population.
Destiny's solution is for Palestine to give up fighting, deradicalise and show a desire for peace, and immediately the entire world would look at Israel as a genuinely apartheid state. If you think Hamas should fight, when they cannot do so without human shields, then you're perfectly fine with human shielding.