when I decided to learn the patterns in this song (I'd guess around 4-5 years ago) I used that same method you're calling "cluster counting", it just makes a lot of sense for some of the "odd groupings" in metal riffs
Love when a totally unrelated TH-camr I follow slips in a random RLM reference. Also I approve of the term "Meshuggah adjacent" as an elevated distinction from "djent"
Man I've been listening to this track for years and every time I'm a little gobsmacked by how much rhythmic information there is in the intro, what with the guitars doing all this, the cymbals doing something completely different, the pedal hat and the snare keeping that 4/4 going underneath everything, love it.
This riff blew my mind when I first heard it, and the only way I could learn it was precisely this counting method. It also makes a lot of sense that the cymbal is dotted quarter notes and the attacks are dotted 8ths, I remember trying to notate it as quarter note triplets
I haven't thought about this band in years but their name popped into my head right after I woke up today. Weird coincidence or a sign that you're conducting a slow ritual to unleash an eldritch horror that will roam free as soon as we all understand the musical geometry that is its prison? Either way keep up the great work, love this stuff. Also I hope we'll be getting a breakdown of Trepanning sooner rather than later. So many awesome riffs in there, wouldn't be upset if you didn't cover anything else for the next however many months it takes to explain the whole thing.
haha thanks so much! I don't think I'm going to do any analytical stuff about my own music on the channel because it feels a little self-indulgent lol but maybe a little bit in a rapid fire riffs or something. Thanks so much for the support and mind reading!
@@metalmusictheory5401 An understandable but unfortunate answer. For what it's worth I'm sure it would be just as educational as going over someone else's music, I think it would only be "self-indulgent" if you didn't have anything interesting to contribute from a theory perspective but that clearly isn't the case. Even just a few brief comments on your thought process for each section could probably spark some ideas in the audience.
The only thing now we need is showing all of the countings in action with the first (without higher attacks) and last (with higher attacks) riffs of Humiliative
Video so cool as always!!! Nice to have that triplet feel during the riff with the crash cymbal and that the last one is 2 sixteenth notes (instead of 3) because 128=42*3+2 haha
bro I didn't realize this was a special kind of counting I just use it for breaking down patterns when counting is too inconvenient. used it for hail the sun wake to meshuggah born in dissonance really helps order things
Ah, finally, some more recognition to Uneven Stucture :D Love them! I'm curious to see if there will be ever Vildhjarta + Den Spanska Känslan + 😮 thall to you all!
Februus was a top album for me in 2012, I rated it along side other albums of the time like One, Masstaden, The Didact, Gnosis, Grind The Ocean, LMNTS.
Any reason not to include the first beat in cluster counting, as to count all beats? So, instead of 2326, it would be 3437, so 17 beats. I'm asking because I usually count it this way. Like this sticking : RLLRLLRL, I would call it 332.
Ah Uneven Structure. Their album Februus is still one of my favorites of all time
sameeeeeeee 💯💯
when I decided to learn the patterns in this song (I'd guess around 4-5 years ago) I used that same method you're calling "cluster counting", it just makes a lot of sense for some of the "odd groupings" in metal riffs
Your channel is a blessing brother.
Love when a totally unrelated TH-camr I follow slips in a random RLM reference. Also I approve of the term "Meshuggah adjacent" as an elevated distinction from "djent"
What a hunk. Just like this riff
Oh wow I remember hearing about this band back in the day when I first heard about Chimp Spanner.
Love Uneven Structure and cant believe its been three years for this channel already!
R.I.P. meshuggah counting 2020-2023
pour one out
Man I've been listening to this track for years and every time I'm a little gobsmacked by how much rhythmic information there is in the intro, what with the guitars doing all this, the cymbals doing something completely different, the pedal hat and the snare keeping that 4/4 going underneath everything, love it.
Hair on point 🔥
This riff blew my mind when I first heard it, and the only way I could learn it was precisely this counting method. It also makes a lot of sense that the cymbal is dotted quarter notes and the attacks are dotted 8ths, I remember trying to notate it as quarter note triplets
I haven't thought about this band in years but their name popped into my head right after I woke up today. Weird coincidence or a sign that you're conducting a slow ritual to unleash an eldritch horror that will roam free as soon as we all understand the musical geometry that is its prison? Either way keep up the great work, love this stuff.
Also I hope we'll be getting a breakdown of Trepanning sooner rather than later. So many awesome riffs in there, wouldn't be upset if you didn't cover anything else for the next however many months it takes to explain the whole thing.
haha thanks so much! I don't think I'm going to do any analytical stuff about my own music on the channel because it feels a little self-indulgent lol but maybe a little bit in a rapid fire riffs or something. Thanks so much for the support and mind reading!
@@metalmusictheory5401 An understandable but unfortunate answer.
For what it's worth I'm sure it would be just as educational as going over someone else's music, I think it would only be "self-indulgent" if you didn't have anything interesting to contribute from a theory perspective but that clearly isn't the case. Even just a few brief comments on your thought process for each section could probably spark some ideas in the audience.
The only thing now we need is showing all of the countings in action with the first (without higher attacks) and last (with higher attacks) riffs of Humiliative
I guess you finished your homework cuz we got a new vid :)
Video so cool as always!!! Nice to have that triplet feel during the riff with the crash cymbal and that the last one is 2 sixteenth notes (instead of 3) because 128=42*3+2 haha
I’ve only ever listened to februus. I’ll check out 8 now.
check out the original EP version as well. I like it a bit better, there are a lot of differences, but both are great
bro I didn't realize this was a special kind of counting I just use it for breaking down patterns when counting is too inconvenient. used it for hail the sun wake to meshuggah born in dissonance really helps order things
Ah, finally, some more recognition to Uneven Stucture :D Love them!
I'm curious to see if there will be ever Vildhjarta + Den Spanska Känslan + 😮
thall to you all!
Yoooo, the beard suits you man
this EP and Februus were so unbelievably good compared to their other releases, not sure what happened :(
Februus is sooo good, seems like if you ask people online though they either hate it or love it, no in between
@@sinkopation Februus is like a masterpiece imo. The atmosphere they create is just phenomenal
Februus was a top album for me in 2012, I rated it along side other albums of the time like One, Masstaden, The Didact, Gnosis, Grind The Ocean, LMNTS.
I strongly recommend you check out Orgone - The Goliath. Very Anomalous like
As neat as this album is I don't think it holds a candle to februus, they really caught lightning in a bottle with that album.
Any reason not to include the first beat in cluster counting, as to count all beats? So, instead of 2326, it would be 3437, so 17 beats.
I'm asking because I usually count it this way. Like this sticking : RLLRLLRL, I would call it 332.
Nevermind lol, I watched the full video after my comment.