Totally agree! Little to no swearing, kept their privacy to themselves even after hitting the big time, I'm had the honor of meeting them a couple times for the Lamb in 74 &75 in Chicago, the 74 show was their first show of the tour after cancelling the UK tour due to Steve's left hand injury and the album wasn't even out yet lol! Nobody knew what we were hearing but it still sounded awesome! The Feb show sounded better to us because we all ran out and got the double album and memorized all the songs, more casual Genesis fans preferred the sides 1 & 2 because of the title track and Back In NYC while the darker mood preferred sides 3 & 4 with the Waiting Room and The Lamia.
Yes humble and good spirited, honest,, they did argue and had thier fair share, usually between banks and Peter G, Tony was somtimes capable of storming off, Tony did this on phils first practise, it's unclear why Pete and Tony were the best of friends and the worst of enemies
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Mike is so funny. There's something about him that is just so mellow, forthcoming and polite. It's like if some sweet librarian were a rock musician. Love the guy.
The more I think about it, Mike R is an incredible songwriter/musician with such variety. He could go heavy (Squonk- Man of our Times) he could be romantic (Harlequin - More fool me - Alone Tonight) & he could be pop (The Mechanics).
The fact that Anthony Phillips says he "became a good bass player overnight" pretty much says it all. In early days he used to play CELLO onstage. So yeah, no question about that. I dont think 'pop' is a real compliment, I don't buy his argument that long songs are easier, in fact there are entire interview years about the five of them and how HARD it often was. Its almost cheesy in hindsight "all I need is a miracle" wait for it, wait for it, here it is "all I neeeeed is YOU". Oh man is that cliche. But then "in your eyes, I am complete" is cheesy as well. In comedy funny is money, in music cheese is money. Thats not being THAT derogatory, wasn't it Paul McCartney that wrote "fill the world with pretty love songs, whats wrong with that?" The commercial aspect is best summed up by Blues Traveller, with their ironic hit "Hook". The video pretty much says it all. Bass players and rhythm guys always get sort of overlooked, as the joke goes, he's the second most popular person in the band named after him. Second to the constantly changing singers:) But I do have to say once you start looking you find a LOT of brilliant musicians, but he does get overlooked because of the other members in the band. Although I don't think he's been TOO hard done by:) But its worth pointing out, they say rhythm guitarists are hard to find, sorry GOOD ones, they say good bass players are hard to find. Ironically I think his best and most innovative stuff is on Trespass. You listen to some of those instrumentals and you can just hear him saying "I'm in this goddam band too" with the bass. But I'd ask anybody to name somebody in a band who was bass guitarist, rhythm guitarist AND lead guitarist. As Darryl says, he's not technically brilliant, but the stuff he comes up with is stuff nobody else could come up with. And audiences are not all musicians looking for technical brilliance. In fact the MORE people talk about that the more I tend to veer to their later stuff. Sitting in a room playing for eight hours until you have a certain level of proficience is not something I think we should be encouraging. Learning to express yourself musically is, and these guys certainly did that.
Thanks for updating, John, Mike is the most difficult member to interview, as his boundaries seldom come down. And it would obviously kill him to give Steve too much credit, lol. Thanks for persevering with him though; although it seemed he didn't want to be there, he gave some great insights into how he writes songs here.
Steve made his bed, he can sleep in it, I see no particular animus towards him in this interview and actually, if I were Tony, Mike or Phil I'd have more than a bone to pick with him.
I talked to a guy last night who saw the Lamb tour. It still sticks in his head as one of the best shows he ever saw. For later fans who got into old Genesis, even the fans who saw that tour are legendary, reporters who can tell what it was like.
That bit at the end with the four of them. Such a shame that Steve clearly dislikes Tony. The music the two of them could have made together had they had a better relationship would have been great.
There are 10 questions there....hahahahha like it... he dont mind being interviewed....he has done so many....he will keep doing many more...as will the other 4....
To be fair I kind of hate the drums on Home by the Sea too. if its NOT a drum machine it might as well be, and it really ruins what is an excellent song otherwise. Great lyrics, great singing, great atmosphere, great chords, and then its like "well, just switch on the drum machine and see what it does 'boom, da boom boom', well, thats good enough." And in a band that has Phil Collins its almost like saying to the audience "this is phil collins, one of the greatest rock drummers of our time.....but he's taking a dump so we'll switch on the new 'drum o matic 5000, thats good enough for you lot". For a casual listener the drums at first sound cool in that 'manufactured' sense, but then you realize unlike Cinema Show, there's a whole other world just for the percussion.
You probably refer to the 2nd part of Home By The Sea and the use of Simmons Drums. Do you know the live version? It's way better than the rather sterile studio version.
@@stephanlandshuter5237 Well, that would probably go without saying, but yeah, thats exactly what I mean. And sterile is probably exactly the word I'd use. But thats true, Genesis always talks about live, but I've never seen them live and only go by the albums.
@@sqwank2 Well, you know what they say about an old dog. But yeah, people talk about genesis being so civil, but literally for decades none has ever even shown up for the others til their 'farewell tour'. Even Pink Floyd reunited THREE times in the past twenty years. Just because they are upper crust enough to know to keep their beefs private, doesn't mean they are the 'pals' they sometimes claim to be. To be fair MOST of that is fans projecting. I think Ant told the story that Mike played Tony at tennis and the competitive 'vibe' was so unpleasant he let him win. Tony is the MAIN guy who never played with other guys, and clearly at least when he was young he was insecure to an INSANE level. In a recent interview it was funny because he literally says "we COULD play tennis together, we just don't". And the look on the others faces are like "yeah, we're NEVER playing tennis with you again". But again, if we didn't have that, we wouldn't have Genesis. Creative people are HARD to work with, thats why there are relatively few bands despite a LOT of music. And most of the old bands have LOTS of drama. The old bassist for Deep Purple says he'll never talk to them again, they 'disrespected him' whatever that means. But as I say, I woudln't have lasted a week in a band, so critical judgement should really keep in mind how amazing it was this band even continued to exist. In short, "yeah I agree:)
Rutherford's humbleness is awesome. How can one band have so many nice men that were a part of Genesis. Very exceptional.
It was all about the music and less about ego.
Totally agree! Little to no swearing, kept their privacy to themselves even after hitting the big time, I'm had the honor of meeting them a couple times for the Lamb in 74 &75 in Chicago, the 74 show was their first show of the tour after cancelling the UK tour due to Steve's left hand injury and the album wasn't even out yet lol! Nobody knew what we were hearing but it still sounded awesome! The Feb show sounded better to us because we all ran out and got the double album and memorized all the songs, more casual Genesis fans preferred the sides 1 & 2 because of the title track and Back In NYC while the darker mood preferred sides 3 & 4 with the Waiting Room and The Lamia.
Yes humble and good spirited, honest,, they did argue and had thier fair share, usually between banks and Peter G, Tony was somtimes capable of storming off, Tony did this on phils first practise, it's unclear why Pete and Tony were the best of friends and the worst of enemies
I love these Genesis interviews. They are relaxational for me. Cheers.
Mike is such a talented and humble human being!
I love all his bass lines of the 70’s area ❤
Thank you John
Fantastic thank you very much!
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Rutherford was huge in the overall with the Genesis of the (Collins, Hackett) era. He was a man's man. His bass was deeply moving IMHO.
I think the Revelation album is far from a failure, it's a wonderful album to say the least. Great interview.
Thanks!
Fantastic interview!
Enjoying the book.
Thanks John. Great questions. Great answers.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it
Mike is so funny. There's something about him that is just so mellow, forthcoming and polite. It's like if some sweet librarian were a rock musician. Love the guy.
Is this recent? My favorite bassist ever. This has to be old. "Get em out by Friday" Good Lord.
2014.
If you watched the first 30 secs you would see it was 2014. Why not watch it now ?!!
@@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES Missed it, damn 10 yrs. Greatest band ever. I did watch it.
The more I think about it, Mike R is an incredible songwriter/musician with such variety. He could go heavy (Squonk- Man of our Times) he could be romantic (Harlequin - More fool me - Alone Tonight) & he could be pop (The Mechanics).
The fact that Anthony Phillips says he "became a good bass player overnight" pretty much says it all. In early days he used to play CELLO onstage. So yeah, no question about that. I dont think 'pop' is a real compliment, I don't buy his argument that long songs are easier, in fact there are entire interview years about the five of them and how HARD it often was.
Its almost cheesy in hindsight "all I need is a miracle" wait for it, wait for it, here it is "all I neeeeed is YOU". Oh man is that cliche. But then "in your eyes, I am complete" is cheesy as well. In comedy funny is money, in music cheese is money. Thats not being THAT derogatory, wasn't it Paul McCartney that wrote "fill the world with pretty love songs, whats wrong with that?" The commercial aspect is best summed up by Blues Traveller, with their ironic hit "Hook". The video pretty much says it all.
Bass players and rhythm guys always get sort of overlooked, as the joke goes, he's the second most popular person in the band named after him. Second to the constantly changing singers:)
But I do have to say once you start looking you find a LOT of brilliant musicians, but he does get overlooked because of the other members in the band. Although I don't think he's been TOO hard done by:) But its worth pointing out, they say rhythm guitarists are hard to find, sorry GOOD ones, they say good bass players are hard to find. Ironically I think his best and most innovative stuff is on Trespass. You listen to some of those instrumentals and you can just hear him saying "I'm in this goddam band too" with the bass. But I'd ask anybody to name somebody in a band who was bass guitarist, rhythm guitarist AND lead guitarist. As Darryl says, he's not technically brilliant, but the stuff he comes up with is stuff nobody else could come up with. And audiences are not all musicians looking for technical brilliance. In fact the MORE people talk about that the more I tend to veer to their later stuff. Sitting in a room playing for eight hours until you have a certain level of proficience is not something I think we should be encouraging. Learning to express yourself musically is, and these guys certainly did that.
Thanks for updating, John, Mike is the most difficult member to interview, as his boundaries seldom come down. And it would obviously kill him to give Steve too much credit, lol. Thanks for persevering with him though; although it seemed he didn't want to be there, he gave some great insights into how he writes songs here.
You’re right that he didn’t want to be there !
@@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIESMay I ask what Mike's gripes were with participating here?
@@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES It shows, although as usual he was quite polite.
Steve made his bed, he can sleep in it, I see no particular animus towards him in this interview and actually, if I were Tony, Mike or Phil I'd have more than a bone to pick with him.
I talked to a guy last night who saw the Lamb tour. It still sticks in his head as one of the best shows he ever saw. For later fans who got into old Genesis, even the fans who saw that tour are legendary, reporters who can tell what it was like.
@@ElfinMan I know what you mean.. there's one of their shows filmed from 1971-1973 floating around and it's absolutely wacky compare to the lamb
That bit at the end with the four of them. Such a shame that Steve clearly dislikes Tony. The music the two of them could have made together had they had a better relationship would have been great.
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There are 10 questions there....hahahahha like it... he dont mind being interviewed....he has done so many....he will keep doing many more...as will the other 4....
15:29 Mike's Pickettywitch moment!👍👍
Mike Rutherford Presents Pickettywitch 😂
Bizarre that Steve Hackett's earlier contributions are hardly mentioned at all - it's like Mike wants to erase him from Genesis completely.
I don't blame Tony, Mike or Phil for being slightly resentful, although I must say they deal with it quite elegantly.
He is so good in House of Dragon.
Wait, what??
Otto Hightower 😂
24:56 🤣
Judging from several scattered comments, Tony REALLY didn't like Mike's book.
To be fair I kind of hate the drums on Home by the Sea too. if its NOT a drum machine it might as well be, and it really ruins what is an excellent song otherwise. Great lyrics, great singing, great atmosphere, great chords, and then its like "well, just switch on the drum machine and see what it does 'boom, da boom boom', well, thats good enough." And in a band that has Phil Collins its almost like saying to the audience "this is phil collins, one of the greatest rock drummers of our time.....but he's taking a dump so we'll switch on the new 'drum o matic 5000, thats good enough for you lot". For a casual listener the drums at first sound cool in that 'manufactured' sense, but then you realize unlike Cinema Show, there's a whole other world just for the percussion.
You probably refer to the 2nd part of Home By The Sea and the use of Simmons Drums. Do you know the live version? It's way better than the rather sterile studio version.
@@stephanlandshuter5237 Well, that would probably go without saying, but yeah, thats exactly what I mean. And sterile is probably exactly the word I'd use. But thats true, Genesis always talks about live, but I've never seen them live and only go by the albums.
I think Genesis missed on Steve.. I wish Mike would at least get together with Steve and be apart of his Genesis or whatever
@@sqwank2 Well, you know what they say about an old dog. But yeah, people talk about genesis being so civil, but literally for decades none has ever even shown up for the others til their 'farewell tour'.
Even Pink Floyd reunited THREE times in the past twenty years.
Just because they are upper crust enough to know to keep their beefs private, doesn't mean they are the 'pals' they sometimes claim to be. To be fair MOST of that is fans projecting.
I think Ant told the story that Mike played Tony at tennis and the competitive 'vibe' was so unpleasant he let him win. Tony is the MAIN guy who never played with other guys, and clearly at least when he was young he was insecure to an INSANE level. In a recent interview it was funny because he literally says "we COULD play tennis together, we just don't". And the look on the others faces are like "yeah, we're NEVER playing tennis with you again".
But again, if we didn't have that, we wouldn't have Genesis. Creative people are HARD to work with, thats why there are relatively few bands despite a LOT of music. And most of the old bands have LOTS of drama. The old bassist for Deep Purple says he'll never talk to them again, they 'disrespected him' whatever that means.
But as I say, I woudln't have lasted a week in a band, so critical judgement should really keep in mind how amazing it was this band even continued to exist.
In short, "yeah I agree:)
Seems a cold person ,not very likeable, steve hackett is a lovely fella