Finding Jordan Peterson has changed my life. I'm not sure if he knows or not the impact he is making right now. If you're reading this Jordan I would like to just say thank you.
Love that he always begins lectures/interviews/Speaks/whatever, very appeased, very slow, and thinking more than what he says. Maybe, for some, he could even look doubtful or insecure. BUT, After an hour, he's completely warmed up, on fire and escalates into an intellectual freight train.
@@thepeter3116 He (dr. Peterson) once mentioned this problem, and said that during lectures you should listen and think, and only after the lecture make notes about core ideas that you've learned. Something like that
This far beats bloody news and tv... in my spare time, when not reading or listening to music, I am watching/listening to this. This has motivated me to face many fears and take on the dragon I always avoided, and I am better for it.
Knowledge of... has its limits. This is why gnosis lacks favor. Experience is everything. Knowledge merely breeds opinion. Opinion is the voice of the ego. Ego is the modern term for Satan.
@@gerardjones7881 Pretty sure human evolution would be frowned upon in a church. Anything, including human delusion, is a natural phenomenon and therefore science is applicable to explain it. If Jordan wishes to study the evolution of culture as a facet of human psychology then I, as an athiest, am very interested in what he has to say. If you want to call his teachings superstition and that historical texts are not relevant to what we are, so be it, but you will also have to apply that same reasoning to any scientific endeavor including math, physics, and chemistry, because just like the Bible, these things are tools used to produce a consistant end product. The fact they do produce something begs the question of how and why, and Jordan hits on these superstitious ideas and attempts to bring them to a realm of functional utility from an evolutionary pyschological perspective that I, again an athiest, can understand. Jordan Peterson doesn't peddle religion and as far as I can tell Jordan is the only person I know of that has bridged religion and science in such a way that is not dogmatic nor nihilistic and he has brought religious creationists from their radical denial of evolution and militant athiests from their radical insistance that all morality is subjective, to create a new unified body of people that reject ideology in favor of individual sovereignty and self control, which is functional and beneficial for everyone since a tyrannical state does not need to be developed to retain order. May he continue to fight till his dying breath in the Universities, in congressional hearings, and in the general public. #freespeech
If there was an ultimate guide to parenting, these lectures are damn close to it. Dr. Peterson made it painfully clear in my mind that the art of parenting is one and the same as the art of being a good person.
52:09 - “your father is lying dead in the library”... This part is SO DARN POWERFUL! JEEEEEZEUS!! I am so glad I came across this part and understood it!
This is the first time in a while I've happily read the comments section, absolutely fantastic. That I'm fortunate to hear this man articulate the collective wisdom he's accumulated, formulated, and disseminated is a great honor. I hope to use it wisely.
I actually feel comfortable saying that this is almost certainly the deepest, most complex, most historically and scientifically grounded exploration of the Adam and Eve story that has ever been told. The last 45 minutes or so of this lecture is an absolutely mind-boggling adventure into the past and into the self. Jaw-dropping.
Khaled Rapp no one said he was a god. But, I’ve often heard people criticize Peterson saying he makes unfounded claims. Can you give an example so I know what of what he’s saying is BS?
Arcadia Critica None of them can give examples of him saying unfounded information because they can’t fact check or read an academic level paper or journal themself or...here’s the big one...think for themselves.
He analyzes a lot, but there is a lot more. For example, there is a coherent and detailed explanation of how Marduk vs. Tiamat is an accurate description of the formation of our solar system - just like in Greece, every god in the story is also a planet. Tiamat was the planet between Mars and Jupiter, which was destroyed, and some of the pieces are now the Earth and the Moon. So if these stories are not only explanations of our inherent human existence, but also factual history - and history of things that happened before humans existed - then we're back to the mystical unknown. As for Adam and Eve, there's plenty more to that as well. He glosses over the 2 different stories of the creation of humans, but there are 2. First it says God created humans, male and female at the same time. Later there is a story about the Garden of Eden, and 2 particular humans who were created specially. Most people interpret the second story as a more detailed explanation of the first story, but that's not the only way to interpret it. One of my favorite examples of layers of Biblical interpretation is when Nathanael is introduced to Jesus. Philip tells Nathanael to come meet Jesus of Nazareth. Nathanael says, "Can anything good come from Nazareth?" But they go anyway. When Jesus sees Nathanael, he calls him an Israelite in whom there is no guile (or deceit, or trickery, or subtlety). This single comment shocks Nathanael, and he asks "How do you know me?" When Jesus answers that he saw him under the fig tree, that is enough proof for Nathanael to declare him the Son of God. But how did Jesus change Nathanael's mind so fast just by saying "Here is an Israelite in whom there is no deceit"? On the surface it's a compliment, calling him honest. It also somehow communicated to Nathanael that Jesus knew all about him - perhaps by referencing a scripture Nathanael may have just read from Psalms: "Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord does not hold against him, in whose spirit there is no guile." But maybe it is also a rebuke for Nathanael's earlier trash-talking, giving 1 short sentence 4 separate purposes: a greeting of approval and acceptance, a quotation and reference to holy scripture, a revelation of hidden knowledge as a demonstration, and a reproach or insult from a teacher to instruct a student. But how is it negative to say that an Israelite doesn't have any trickery in him? What is an Israelite? A descendant of Israel. Who was Israel? A man whose name was also Jacob, which means trickster. He was born holding his twin brother's heel, destined to trip people up. He tricked his brother out of his birthright, he used guile to deceive his father into giving him the blessing meant for his brother, and he tricked his father-in-law who had tricked him before. He ultimately used his guile in a wrestling match against an angelic being, earning his new name "Israel", which means "Wrestles with God". So by using the same root word for "guile" as in Jacob's name, Jesus was possibly saying that Nathanael was an Israelite in whom there was nothing of Israel. But that's only one interpretation of one sentence from the Bible, and you could spend hours studying any given sentence.
I hope these kids know how fortunate they are to have this genius as their professor. Every thing he says is golden - pearls iif wisdom beyond monetary value. He's teaching them how to be wise. Great man.
I just listen to everything Peterson says. He is such an outstanding man. This lecture was one of the most interesting things I've listen to on TH-cam platform.
i wish it was possible to take smaller snippets of this, but i don't feel that it makes justice for these videos. they aren't just golden nuggets, they're diamonds so huge that you would need a gigantic crane to move it. I love it
Unfathomed 1 - Yep, i watch some of them twice for that reason. I jump into my notes, google things, read comments and generally try to get the most out of exploring the different paths that i am taken down while watching the first time round, then if i feel that i didn't get as much as i could have i will watch them again without distraction.
A few years ago I felt compelled to finish Crime and Punishment despite its challenges (and despite already finding so much accessible beautiful scattered throughout). in the middle of this lecture, everything came together, I realized the deeper meaning of its epilogue. It is a final return to meaning after wallowing in postmodern, unfettered experimentation. Thank you professor for yet another fantastic lecture!
Come on, he is great, but let's not lionize him. He's a great father figure, and it appears that many people see in him the father they never had, the father who teaches them some actual useful virtues in life. Jordan doesn't tell me what an awesome father figure he is (d'uh), he just shows me what UTTER FAILURES our own fathers are. I guess we have to rescue our fathers, ...
Exactly. Its listening to him what made me think what a mess my father is. I would anyway love to shake his hand and tell him how useful his work was and to keep the good fight...
Sean Bandas man, Titan is such a poetic characterization of how he feels in our minds. But I think hamster in the machine is right, better not to lionize him.
Get plane ticket to Toronto Canada. Get in plane. Go to U of T. Go to Peterson's office. Knock on door. Get asked in. Go in. Tell Peterson you cleaned your room. Shake his Hand. Done, roughly speaking.
The first thing I think when I see this is like, geez, thank God you didn't see this last night, eh? You might think you can just see this video online and not watch it immediately, and it's like, okay, first of all, WRONG, you CAN'T, and not because the video has some magic power--it's because your impulse control is Not That Good. Right. And so maybe you're a little weak willed, maybe your room is a bloody mess while you're listening to the lecture, and it's 1am and you have work in the morning, and you're snacking--right--so, that's not to say you're a bad person, it's just that you have Things To Sort Oat in your immediate vicinity, and man, lemme tell ya, if you start sorting those things out, you have NO IDEA what can come of it. You could eventually, down the line--and this is LONG TERM, man, it takes patience--you could resist that temptation to watch the new Jordan B Peterson video, and maybe you wouldn't feel so terrible quite so much of the time, and maybe you'd quit staying up late and snacking--who knows? Only you can find oat. But you'll definitely see results, that's a FACT. And I'd wager you'll find them quite positive.
I'm not well versed in the humanities, was always a techie. Over the course of my life I've grown to understand this on an organic level. How inspiring to hear someone able to articulate it.
38:00 Morality is not a higher order cognitive process 40:30 Where gods come from 42:00 Archetypes being filled with cultural dress 45:30 (mentions Hume argument) 46:00 Archetypes evolved Amazing video 1:49:00 Work and sacrifice
wife: "it's Friday night, I'm heading out with some friends, what are you up to?" me: ... "Jordan Peterson just promised to explain the Buddha story"... wife: [stares blankly] she just doesn't get it
B. Wooton I thinks guys get the language a bit later because they took the life saving actions and the women took the life giving actions and we are all necessary to continue us. I am pretty sure he said that like 100 times and a few more.
52:07 - “your father is lying dead in the library”... take the spirit out of books and manifest it out in the world.. wake/ pull HIM up from the books!! 👉🏻Great!! 👍🏻
Exactly.....one of my favorite lines from all of Jordans lectures!! & how he says YAHWEH too, several times in this particular lecture! He Knows Father & mentions his sacred name!! YAH!!
I play college lectures when driving, instead of music. I like how the university-level lectures don't patronize. So much better than government school.
@vcrbetamax I doubt you are listening for entertainment. Acceptable content is entertaining. Good content is entertaining and educational. Amazing content is entertaining, educational and elevating. Entertainment is the base reason for watching this stuff which is perfectly fine but I imagine you are getting a whole lot more out of it than you think, which is great. @TS University lectures mostly are boring to me because most lecturers I've listened to were unable to talk in a way that makes the topic even remotely interesting. Unlike Mr Peterson.
I will get to 23 within a month but I am still nothing. No jobs, no skills, no money but loving family and friends. I have to say thank you for those lectures as it brings me out of self-blaming and self-destruction. It gives me hope that I could overcome the situation by working hard and being persistent. There is hope because there is meaning in life eventhough now I am clueless about what is my life purpose and also my career path. As there is my family and friends that i hold dear, eventhough I am nothing to the world right now, I at least could be something tomorrow by doing something. Great thanks to Jordan Peterson.
@@alex_4trth my 20+ grandson is in the wild learning with elders medicinal plants! Our challenge is learning to live together harmoniously if we want the nations to do so!
Siddhartha by Hermann Hesse is one of the most transcendent works I have ever read. 10/10 recommend to anyone interested in the general concepts of the Buddha
The last statement about, 'the identification of the spirit of order by the individual that confronts chaos will restore the community back to the lost Garden of Eden' is mind-blowing. Thank you Professor!
Listening and watching his data downloading is so energizing....Like watching and partaking of a harvest ,,I am filled with Gratitude.....It is like watching the manifestation of The Word being made Flesh....I am 88yrs old and am feasting....
So much passion in this lecture. And such a profound message. I hope of all of us will take warning from the dreadful lessons of the 20th century before it's too late and not fall into that trap again. God knows the maw of hell is wide.
You are a good leader and I'm am overjoyed to have found you! This is serious stuff and you really articulate it well for all to understand. Very grateful for your service 🙏
I took my time in the first few minutes of this lecture taking notes, re-watching, and double-checking word definitions in order to understand enough to digest the rest of the content. The first two and a half minutes was like wrestling a bear. With profound levels of density, Dr. Peterson introduces the topic of this lecture so concisely that I immediately knew I didn't want to miss a single point. After what seemed to be the 30 minute mark, I was settled nicely into the lecture. I contentedly drew in my journal while my mind filled with the images, concepts, and subsequent understanding that Dr Peterson laid out.
Dear Jordan Peterson I owe you a genuine gratitude. The society needs more people capable of critical thinking, deep understanding and sincere humbleness. Thank you so much for these lectures that helped and helps me to be a better person.
I put him on when I want to sleep......... I might pass out 30 minutes in but the first 20 minutes was listened to without distraction. I start at a new point every night til' I get it all.
You are unlikely to process complex input in that state of mind. However, it's a good state of mind to distill problems down, because the limited capacities may rather deal with the more important details on their own.
Nice I started watching these at 17 to help go to sleep because"smart person saying smart things." Now I'm 19 and I'm really starting to understand what he's saying and genuinely learn.
It's really wonderful to observe your lectures. They are truly informative, inspirational and interesting. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and wisdom. You REALLY are a brilliant person Jordan! Thank you for everything you do and how you do it.
Oh, My GOD! Dr Peterson. I can not no longer able to watch your video! Every minute in here you unfold one big answer to which answers my life questions. Even I only have mere 30 years of life, but at this rate, you will not only answer all my existed questions but also those that I have not yet found. I have to stop and meditate to cope with those answers. But Thank you for teaching us with this amazing new meaning of everything.
This, my friends, is Jordan Peterson, the legend, firing on all cylinders for your enlightenment: Mapping meaning and, shall we say, cosmic clarity where the fiercest thinkers and authors left off. This class is "like going into the ring with Muhammad Ali and being pummelled to death for half an hour - you don't recover from it that easily". (19:51) (Is there something about this that is of dubious validity? What else would it be like?) (35:05)
"Roughly speaking, you would sit the exam and fill out all the unknowns and locate the dragon in its lair and steal his hoard of golden treasures and gemstones...."
It's funny how he revisits the same themes in every lecture, but somehow it does not get boring. Is it because this is that REAL stuff to which we got so unaccustomed these days?
(From India) It was really a bad day for me, But given my some serious interest in your lectures & the things you deal with I saw it till end. Only God knows how much most of us really love you and your efforts.
Yup; we're straddling order and chaos, father culture and mother nature ("roughly speaking"). We treasure and realize the power of the individual while not rejecting the positive aspects inherent in trust, security and cooperation when it comes to the common sphere.
- This creature standing so tall as he tells the stories of the people of this realm, what is he? - That is a man, like other men. - Like other men you say? Then... could this be me? - Only if your straighten yourself up first, buckaroo!
There's a moment in this lecture with three "That's that"s in a 10 second period. The dragon whale Leviathan of drunken chaos is going to swallow us into its belly, ladies and gentlemen...
Can't believe I never noticed the comparison, but then I read about the Buddha looking for alternatives to Christian belief systems when in my late teens, the only information I had for comparison were bible stories I could barely remember from early childhood. Thank you again professor P for another great lecture.
I'm watching this video years after the lecture was given and I'm wondering if the students in this class have any idea how fortunate they are to be in your presence.
That thought crossed my mind too. I imagine that some or even most of these students took these lectures in the blur of so much information in their university experience. I believe that getting Jordan Peterson’s insights in person were highly impactful but it’s doubtful that any of them had any inkling of what the future would hold for JP’s career.
1:40:10 Though I hate bitterness, this is something NO ONE in any church that I've gone to in my entire christian life of 11 years, being 33 now, has ever dared touch on (sufficiently) or even speak about, probably because a great deal of incompetence. Christ I'm so angry that it has been taking THIS LONG to get an accurate answer. The people who both has the responsibility and the obligation to know and present spiritual reality and Christ himself, lacks the knowledge on how to explain, this! I've even reached out to Rabbi's in trying to sort this out and they can't simply explain it properly! My great thanks to this great man, my eyes would still be blind to a great degree if not Jordan would of taking the time to read this through and present it the way he does so well. From all of my heart, thank you.
I also suggest Swedenborg. His work "Arcana Coelestia" or "Secrets of Heaven" talks through all of Genesis and the first 20 chapters of Exodus, line by line, and sometimes word by word, as well as going on awesome theological tangents about heaven and life, etc. I suggest the Rose translation, the first two volumes of which are accessible online, and other translations (he wrote in Latin) are available for later volumes -- NewChristianBibleStudy .org is a nice, user-friendly way to find full text of his books, and to search his works on particular topics. His book Divine Providence is a favourite of mine, because it deals with the problem of evil. Heaven and Hell is probably his most popular book, but I like True Christianity/True Christian Religon even better, which also talks about heaven, and might be interesting to you as a frustrated fellow Christian! JBP is the first person I've found who talks about the Bible in line with Swedenborg, and no wonder, considering JBP's interest in Jung: "I admire Swedenborg as a great scientist and a great mystic at the same time. His life and work has always been of great interest to me and I read about seven fat volumes of his writings when I was a medical student." (Jaffe/Jung, Memories, Dreams, Reflections, 1957) "Swedenborg's message... has been my strongest incitement to overcome limitations." (Jung, Modern Man in Search of a Soul, 1933).
there is a certain resonance that rings in my mind as I listen to these lectures. I have actually cleared my desk of all distractions, bought a very expensive fountain book and notepad, and all I do after work is sit by my desk and write notes as I listen to Jordan Peterson. and what particularly drives me crazy is the fact that these vids were posted 2 years ago. I have wasted my time listening to the likes of Alex jones , the whole MSN and all these alternative media pundits who parrot each other and poison the well. I am in a transitional period of my life, and it is hell. A hell I could have managed if I had come across this material earlier. The ironic thing is that I would not have come across this material, if the MSN had nit tried to take hits at Jordan Peterson. I have studied psychology, sociology, Ai and arts and media at Uni level, but the stuff they taught never sank in. If only Jordan Peterson had been my lecturer. But as long as they do not do an Alex jones on Jordan? he will always be here, and I will always have my time spare to learn. It is not everyday that a person teaches you about morality with such clarity and such truthfulness. I am really enjoying these lectures, and as long as this channel is open? I feel like I am getting an education fro free. Absolutely loving this :)
Couldn't agree more. Absolutuley brilliant lectures. I wouldnt compare to A jones tho. He's a big time phony fake news quack who wants your attention and money. Peterson is the real deal. No agenda but to teach.
@@anthojones520 I believe what he was trying to say is something like, 'as long as Peterson doesn't get censored off of TH-cam like Jones his work will be around for years to listen to and learn from.'
Wow!!!! Amazing!!!! Jordan's passion is like super-charged rocket fuel.....it can help lift you up "out of this world" & into states of thinking & pondering of many, many wonders of life!!!!
Really enjoying the difference in Peterson’s tone of voice at the beginning of a lecture, straight after the end of a previous one. Listening to him work himself into such excitement is very engaging. Learning loads. When are you doing lectures on exodus Prof?
i can see the recent events have begun creeping into these lectures in subtle ways. the lectures from 2015 and before dr Peterson didnt stress his voice as much when talking about universities and underlying soc justice thoughts.
Jordan Peterson for answering Gods call for rediscovering the alpha and omega the true alphabet of The creative word . And I know There will be no stopping you. Until you have completed this Task . Praise God for sending U once more ! Mary Wilkerson
Thank you Jordan Peterson. I am not linguistically gifted enough to express how thankful I am for your material. You have rescued me from the whale. I was unemployed, addicted to drugs,smoking a pack of cigarettes a day, depressed and deeply nihilistic. I viewed religion as the opiate of the masses. I was also a moral relativist and at more times than I am proud of had suicidal thoughts. I would often feel like it would be better if it all just fell apart. I was hopeless. Your material has helped me so much. I began exercising, and cleaning my room, and tried to stay to a schedule. I looked at western society and Christian values in a whole new light , slowly I started to feel better and better. I eventually got a job, I have stopped almost all drugs. I still have a few drinks occasionally, and smoke a little pot every once in a while. But my depression and nihilistic thoughts are gone. I have my ups and downs like anyone else but as far as just feeling hopeless all the time like I was that is gone. I have whole new lease on life and I don't know how I can possibly thank you enough. I truly believe you saved my life. You are an amazing teacher and a hero for the stand you are taking against the radical leftist pc authoritarians in the fight for western civilization.
Finding Jordan Peterson has changed my life. I'm not sure if he knows or not the impact he is making right now. If you're reading this Jordan I would like to just say thank you.
He does know, and it brings him to tears.
You re not the first, neither the last.
How do you feel now, knowing he was popping zannies the whole time?
@@kekin4562 not as miserable as you im sure
@@AnishNair09 no one as talking to you
"Well YES!!!, What ELSE would it be?!" I love it when he says stuff like this.
OBVIOUSLY!
Love that he always begins lectures/interviews/Speaks/whatever, very appeased, very slow, and thinking more than what he says. Maybe, for some, he could even look doubtful or insecure. BUT, After an hour, he's completely warmed up, on fire and escalates into an intellectual freight train.
Armando Gómez “Intellectual fright train”. Nice! Exactly right.
I've noticed the same thing. It's an indication of how sincere he is. Which is where his magic lies.
Imagine trying to take notes in the class
totally! Amen! on fire & transitioned into an intellectual & spiritual freight train!!
@@thepeter3116 He (dr. Peterson) once mentioned this problem, and said that during lectures you should listen and think, and only after the lecture make notes about core ideas that you've learned. Something like that
These are the videos the Peterson haters have never taken the time to watch. Love hearing his thoughts on these subjects.
Wrong. I was a Peterson hater and I took the time to watch these videos. Now I hate him for not promoting these videos enough
@Ayoub Boughaba calm yourself
Any Peterson hater does not know Peterson.
Exactly what I thought when listening this series!
I loathe peterson and ive watched this 3 times. his interpretation of buddhism is comical
This far beats bloody news and tv... in my spare time, when not reading or listening to music, I am watching/listening to this.
This has motivated me to face many fears and take on the dragon I always avoided, and I am better for it.
This knowledge is priceless. The world owes Dr. Peterson a great debt for producing & publishing these lectures.
to get after it themselfs and stop fucking talking shit and speaking lies :) gogogogo #jockowillink another one JOE ROGAN original source
you have very luscious lips good sir
Knowledge of... has its limits.
This is why gnosis lacks favor.
Experience is everything.
Knowledge merely breeds opinion.
Opinion is the voice of the ego.
Ego is the modern term for Satan.
Geez, I'ts like don't we already have enough student loan debt?
@@gerardjones7881 Pretty sure human evolution would be frowned upon in a church. Anything, including human delusion, is a natural phenomenon and therefore science is applicable to explain it. If Jordan wishes to study the evolution of culture as a facet of human psychology then I, as an athiest, am very interested in what he has to say. If you want to call his teachings superstition and that historical texts are not relevant to what we are, so be it, but you will also have to apply that same reasoning to any scientific endeavor including math, physics, and chemistry, because just like the Bible, these things are tools used to produce a consistant end product. The fact they do produce something begs the question of how and why, and Jordan hits on these superstitious ideas and attempts to bring them to a realm of functional utility from an evolutionary pyschological perspective that I, again an athiest, can understand.
Jordan Peterson doesn't peddle religion and as far as I can tell Jordan is the only person I know of that has bridged religion and science in such a way that is not dogmatic nor nihilistic and he has brought religious creationists from their radical denial of evolution and militant athiests from their radical insistance that all morality is subjective, to create a new unified body of people that reject ideology in favor of individual sovereignty and self control, which is functional and beneficial for everyone since a tyrannical state does not need to be developed to retain order. May he continue to fight till his dying breath in the Universities, in congressional hearings, and in the general public. #freespeech
If there was an ultimate guide to parenting, these lectures are damn close to it. Dr. Peterson made it painfully clear in my mind that the art of parenting is one and the same as the art of being a good person.
Prof. Peterson's work might be among the most important philosophical endeavors of this emerging century... roughly speaking!
Rex Paganus Hold your horses bucko. You are close to a J petey ideologue with that talk.
But why? Well...Who Knows?!
Paragon of Growth : I believe Rex is caricaturing Dr. Peterson.
Rex Paganus “Whatever that means”
‘Whatever that means”
52:09 - “your father is lying dead in the library”... This part is SO DARN POWERFUL! JEEEEEZEUS!! I am so glad I came across this part and understood it!
This is the first time in a while I've happily read the comments section, absolutely fantastic. That I'm fortunate to hear this man articulate the collective wisdom he's accumulated, formulated, and disseminated is a great honor. I hope to use it wisely.
Finally, a man that actually produces viable theories and doesn't just spew PC pseudo intellectual rhetorical nonsense.
Steve G read books you’ll forget about that “PC” rhetoric.
I actually feel comfortable saying that this is almost certainly the deepest, most complex, most historically and scientifically grounded exploration of the Adam and Eve story that has ever been told. The last 45 minutes or so of this lecture is an absolutely mind-boggling adventure into the past and into the self. Jaw-dropping.
Khaled Rapp no one said he was a god. But, I’ve often heard people criticize Peterson saying he makes unfounded claims. Can you give an example so I know what of what he’s saying is BS?
Well I think you might find analyses in the Jewish corpus...
@Khaled Rapp sort yourself.
Arcadia Critica None of them can give examples of him saying unfounded information because they can’t fact check or read an academic level paper or journal themself or...here’s the big one...think for themselves.
He analyzes a lot, but there is a lot more. For example, there is a coherent and detailed explanation of how Marduk vs. Tiamat is an accurate description of the formation of our solar system - just like in Greece, every god in the story is also a planet. Tiamat was the planet between Mars and Jupiter, which was destroyed, and some of the pieces are now the Earth and the Moon.
So if these stories are not only explanations of our inherent human existence, but also factual history - and history of things that happened before humans existed - then we're back to the mystical unknown.
As for Adam and Eve, there's plenty more to that as well. He glosses over the 2 different stories of the creation of humans, but there are 2. First it says God created humans, male and female at the same time. Later there is a story about the Garden of Eden, and 2 particular humans who were created specially. Most people interpret the second story as a more detailed explanation of the first story, but that's not the only way to interpret it.
One of my favorite examples of layers of Biblical interpretation is when Nathanael is introduced to Jesus. Philip tells Nathanael to come meet Jesus of Nazareth. Nathanael says, "Can anything good come from Nazareth?" But they go anyway. When Jesus sees Nathanael, he calls him an Israelite in whom there is no guile (or deceit, or trickery, or subtlety). This single comment shocks Nathanael, and he asks "How do you know me?" When Jesus answers that he saw him under the fig tree, that is enough proof for Nathanael to declare him the Son of God.
But how did Jesus change Nathanael's mind so fast just by saying "Here is an Israelite in whom there is no deceit"? On the surface it's a compliment, calling him honest. It also somehow communicated to Nathanael that Jesus knew all about him - perhaps by referencing a scripture Nathanael may have just read from Psalms: "Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord does not hold against him, in whose spirit there is no guile." But maybe it is also a rebuke for Nathanael's earlier trash-talking, giving 1 short sentence 4 separate purposes: a greeting of approval and acceptance, a quotation and reference to holy scripture, a revelation of hidden knowledge as a demonstration, and a reproach or insult from a teacher to instruct a student. But how is it negative to say that an Israelite doesn't have any trickery in him?
What is an Israelite? A descendant of Israel. Who was Israel? A man whose name was also Jacob, which means trickster. He was born holding his twin brother's heel, destined to trip people up. He tricked his brother out of his birthright, he used guile to deceive his father into giving him the blessing meant for his brother, and he tricked his father-in-law who had tricked him before. He ultimately used his guile in a wrestling match against an angelic being, earning his new name "Israel", which means "Wrestles with God".
So by using the same root word for "guile" as in Jacob's name, Jesus was possibly saying that Nathanael was an Israelite in whom there was nothing of Israel. But that's only one interpretation of one sentence from the Bible, and you could spend hours studying any given sentence.
I've come back and listened to this lecture series every year since it came out
Me too
❤ I'm with you.
I hope these kids know how fortunate they are to have this genius as their professor. Every thing he says is golden - pearls iif wisdom beyond monetary value. He's teaching them how to be wise. Great man.
my thoughts exactly
I just listen to everything Peterson says. He is such an outstanding man. This lecture was one of the most interesting things I've listen to on TH-cam platform.
i wish it was possible to take smaller snippets of this, but i don't feel that it makes justice for these videos. they aren't just golden nuggets, they're diamonds so huge that you would need a gigantic crane to move it.
I love it
Unfathomed 1 - Yep, i watch some of them twice for that reason. I jump into my notes, google things, read comments and generally try to get the most out of exploring the different paths that i am taken down while watching the first time round, then if i feel that i didn't get as much as i could have i will watch them again without distraction.
A few years ago I felt compelled to finish Crime and Punishment despite its challenges (and despite already finding so much accessible beautiful scattered throughout). in the middle of this lecture, everything came together, I realized the deeper meaning of its epilogue. It is a final return to meaning after wallowing in postmodern, unfettered experimentation. Thank you professor for yet another fantastic lecture!
JP's passion is wonderfully contagious. Like a great piece of music or art. Priceless and timeless🌞
So much enlightenment when I hear Dr Lobster speak. There is true joy in hearing all his lectures. It is truly a priceless gift.
This is the third time I'm listening through this whole series. I am obsessed, this man is truly an incredible educator.
I wish upon a star to be able to shake this Titan's hand in my lifetime. Truly special man.
Come on, he is great, but let's not lionize him. He's a great father figure, and it appears that many people see in him the father they never had, the father who teaches them some actual useful virtues in life. Jordan doesn't tell me what an awesome father figure he is (d'uh), he just shows me what UTTER FAILURES our own fathers are. I guess we have to rescue our fathers, ...
Exactly. Its listening to him what made me think what a mess my father is.
I would anyway love to shake his hand and tell him how useful his work was and to keep the good fight...
Sean Bandas man, Titan is such a poetic characterization of how he feels in our minds. But I think hamster in the machine is right, better not to lionize him.
Alex Volks RESCUE YOUR FATHER
Get plane ticket to Toronto Canada. Get in plane. Go to U of T. Go to Peterson's office. Knock on door. Get asked in. Go in. Tell Peterson you cleaned your room. Shake his Hand. Done, roughly speaking.
"A leader gives articulation to the imagination of the population."
MC Peterson
The first thing I think when I see this is like, geez, thank God you didn't see this last night, eh? You might think you can just see this video online and not watch it immediately, and it's like, okay, first of all, WRONG, you CAN'T, and not because the video has some magic power--it's because your impulse control is Not That Good. Right. And so maybe you're a little weak willed, maybe your room is a bloody mess while you're listening to the lecture, and it's 1am and you have work in the morning, and you're snacking--right--so, that's not to say you're a bad person, it's just that you have Things To Sort Oat in your immediate vicinity, and man, lemme tell ya, if you start sorting those things out, you have NO IDEA what can come of it. You could eventually, down the line--and this is LONG TERM, man, it takes patience--you could resist that temptation to watch the new Jordan B Peterson video, and maybe you wouldn't feel so terrible quite so much of the time, and maybe you'd quit staying up late and snacking--who knows? Only you can find oat. But you'll definitely see results, that's a FACT. And I'd wager you'll find them quite positive.
S Miller That was bloodly brilliant
I sorted myself oat by watching his videos at 2x speed.
I have sort yourself oatmeal for breakfast every day, bucko. And that's THAT.
Someone has posted this comment in a FB group of JBP fans - just so you know :) And ppl LOVE it!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is just beautiful.
This is one of the best lectures I've ever listened to.
Dr Peterson is a genius love listening to his lectures
Completely blown away by every word from this brilliant man!!!
I'm not well versed in the humanities, was always a techie. Over the course of my life I've grown to understand this on an organic level. How inspiring to hear someone able to articulate it.
This blows my mind , its like walking through the whole of creation.
Only you can get me to listen intently to a lecture for 2 hours. This is the most important lecture I'll ever hear.
38:00 Morality is not a higher order cognitive process
40:30 Where gods come from
42:00 Archetypes being filled with cultural dress
45:30 (mentions Hume argument)
46:00 Archetypes evolved
Amazing video
1:49:00 Work and sacrifice
wife: "it's Friday night, I'm heading out with some friends, what are you up to?"
me: ... "Jordan Peterson just promised to explain the Buddha story"...
wife: [stares blankly]
she just doesn't get it
every new video from JBP is like christmas
B. Wooton Mine did! Worries me some. Will have to be more careful!!!
really mahbrah haahhahaha love you man :D :D same type of thing but mine pretends to like it and somewhat have interest in it :D awesome :)
B. Wooton I thinks guys get the language a bit later because they took the life saving actions and the women took the life giving actions and we are all necessary to continue us. I am pretty sure he said that like 100 times and a few more.
I'd have retweetd it if there was some button to do so
52:07 - “your father is lying dead in the library”... take the spirit out of books and manifest it out in the world.. wake/ pull HIM up from the books!!
👉🏻Great!! 👍🏻
Exactly.....one of my favorite lines from all of Jordans lectures!! & how he says YAHWEH too, several times in this particular lecture! He Knows Father & mentions his sacred name!! YAH!!
@@visionwarrior777 I noticed it too at a former lecture. Loved that.
I'm listening to a college lecture for entertainment.
vcrbetamax funny isn't it.
I play college lectures when driving, instead of music. I like how the university-level lectures don't patronize. So much better than government school.
Not strange at all. It's a prejudice university is boring. Studying and learning can actually be one of the most fun things you can do in your life :)
@vcrbetamax I doubt you are listening for entertainment. Acceptable content is entertaining. Good content is entertaining and educational. Amazing content is entertaining, educational and elevating. Entertainment is the base reason for watching this stuff which is perfectly fine but I imagine you are getting a whole lot more out of it than you think, which is great.
@TS University lectures mostly are boring to me because most lecturers I've listened to were unable to talk in a way that makes the topic even remotely interesting. Unlike Mr Peterson.
Ratio You are wrong if you say he does not listen for entertainment. I listen to this for entertainment too.
I will get to 23 within a month but I am still nothing. No jobs, no skills, no money but loving family and friends. I have to say thank you for those lectures as it brings me out of self-blaming and self-destruction. It gives me hope that I could overcome the situation by working hard and being persistent. There is hope because there is meaning in life eventhough now I am clueless about what is my life purpose and also my career path. As there is my family and friends that i hold dear, eventhough I am nothing to the world right now, I at least could be something tomorrow by doing something. Great thanks to Jordan Peterson.
Your lectures give me goosebumps! I love how you are a rational and scientific thinker who also acknowledges the worth of morality and faith.
Brilliant...at 74 I learn so much my naivety had prevented me to see!
Any life advice for a 20 year old?
@@alex_4trth my 20+ grandson is in the wild learning with elders medicinal plants! Our challenge is learning to live together harmoniously if we want the nations to do so!
Siddhartha by Hermann Hesse is one of the most transcendent works I have ever read. 10/10 recommend to anyone interested in the general concepts of the Buddha
I wasn’t wise enough as a college student to appreciate this; this is fantastic; this is a gifted teacher
The last statement about, 'the identification of the spirit of order by the individual that confronts chaos will restore the community back to the lost Garden of Eden' is mind-blowing. Thank you Professor!
Listening and watching his data downloading is so energizing....Like watching and partaking of a harvest ,,I am filled with Gratitude.....It is like watching the manifestation of The Word being made Flesh....I am 88yrs old and am feasting....
So much passion in this lecture. And such a profound message. I hope of all of us will take warning from the dreadful lessons of the 20th century before it's too late and not fall into that trap again. God knows the maw of hell is wide.
Massive PLOT TWIST at 1:38:17 when Peterson lends true metaphysical meaning to his catchphrase "that's that!"
best comment ever and that's that
I don't watch TV, I watch Dr. Jordan B. Peterson.
* I want my JBP*
@@josephinelisowski6485 I see what you did there. 😊
I do as well
You are a good leader and I'm am overjoyed to have found you! This is serious stuff and you really articulate it well for all to understand. Very grateful for your service 🙏
If you want to know the truth, read the Bible
I wish jp would release these as audio only download. His teaching style is so good.
This man is a light shining in these increasingly dark and confusing times...
Man deserved a standing ovation for that. Outstanding lecture 👏👏
I still can’t get over that this level of material is free for anyone to access on TH-cam.
Yes. We still have so much to be grateful for. ❤️
I took my time in the first few minutes of this lecture taking notes, re-watching, and double-checking word definitions in order to understand enough to digest the rest of the content.
The first two and a half minutes was like wrestling a bear. With profound levels of density, Dr. Peterson introduces the topic of this lecture so concisely that I immediately knew I didn't want to miss a single point.
After what seemed to be the 30 minute mark, I was settled nicely into the lecture. I contentedly drew in my journal while my mind filled with the images, concepts, and subsequent understanding that Dr Peterson laid out.
Dear Jordan Peterson I owe you a genuine gratitude. The society needs more people capable of critical thinking, deep understanding and sincere humbleness. Thank you so much for these lectures that helped and helps me to be a better person.
Who needs sleep anyway? Peterson until 1AM is better than sleep.
You need a better time zone. Try Amazon's new _Time Jumper_ services.
Peterson until 4AM here...
I put him on when I want to sleep......... I might pass out 30 minutes in but the first 20 minutes was listened to without distraction. I start at a new point every night til' I get it all.
Many Such Cases! He is the BEAST!
You are unlikely to process complex input in that state of mind.
However, it's a good state of mind to distill problems down, because the limited capacities may rather deal with the more important details on their own.
Hi Jordan Peterson, you are my hero. That is all.
be careful you will make him identify with the hero archetype too much. Luckily his wife helps him with that
Brilliant!
If I were to guess how he would reply it would be.... "Become your own hero"
he says the things in an intense manner that really keeps you listening
One of world most valuable person
It's an enormous blessing to have someone like him.
Hope to someday return some of the value he gives us all
I've never encountered another mentor whom I've learned more from in one hour than in ten years. Please, You must continue your lectures.
Sometimes the wisdom of this video overwhelms me and I have to stop, take a breath and continue. Still amazing!
after 40 hours of these videos i may have started to learn something
No shit. We should get college credits watching Peterson's videos.
That’s pretty good, took me at least an 100 hours
you should read his first book, that thing is still kicking my ass & it’s the second time reading it
Nice I started watching these at 17 to help go to sleep because"smart person saying smart things." Now I'm 19 and I'm really starting to understand what he's saying and genuinely learn.
It's really wonderful to observe your lectures. They are truly informative, inspirational and interesting. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and wisdom. You REALLY are a brilliant person Jordan! Thank you for everything you do and how you do it.
Oh, My GOD! Dr Peterson. I can not no longer able to watch your video! Every minute in here you unfold one big answer to which answers my life questions. Even I only have mere 30 years of life, but at this rate, you will not only answer all my existed questions but also those that I have not yet found. I have to stop and meditate to cope with those answers. But Thank you for teaching us with this amazing new meaning of everything.
1:54:12 "This is actually quite a comedic story, except that it's also a catastrophic tragedy" classic Peterson right there.
Hello Dr. Peterson and Family
My Love and prayers are
Coming your way! Must send
A special hello for Tammy!
God speed too u all!
Mary Wilkerson
This, my friends, is Jordan Peterson, the legend, firing on all cylinders for your enlightenment: Mapping meaning and, shall we say, cosmic clarity where the fiercest thinkers and authors left off.
This class is "like going into the ring with Muhammad Ali and being pummelled to death for half an hour - you don't recover from it that easily". (19:51)
(Is there something about this that is of dubious validity? What else would it be like?) (35:05)
I missed you Doctor Peterson.
1:12:55
Absolutely WOW !
The mind of GOD !
We have always heard the books were all interconnected but that visual is beautifully stunning. 🌟
If I were his student, I'd be terrified what he would ask in the exams.
"Roughly speaking, you would sit the exam and fill out all the unknowns and locate the dragon in its lair and steal his hoard of golden treasures and gemstones...."
@@ColinMacIver 🤣
@@ColinMacIver .. And share it with the rest of the community..
@@vivekbhasi117 These propositions are no joke, roughly speaking, something like that
The class grade mostly was from Self Authoring.
He'd probably just ask about the stuff they went through/that's in the book.
looks like JP finally decided to get a decent microphone. I guess you could say that he is sorting himself out!
Joe Grguric Madonna mics. Meh. Silly woman.
bucko!
roughly speaking :)
That old mic was obzurd. Obviously!
That's one way of thinking about it.
It's funny how he revisits the same themes in every lecture, but somehow it does not get boring. Is it because this is that REAL stuff to which we got so unaccustomed these days?
The crucifix often has a great eye above it. I've seen it everywhere, even at my local Catholic Church
(From India)
It was really a bad day for me,
But given my some serious interest in your lectures & the things you deal with I saw it till end.
Only God knows how much most of us really love you and your efforts.
It's like being able to listen to Jung and Freud lecture at the height of their work. Such a treat!!
*sorting intensifies*
Preach it my ideological brother!
I find that a lot of Peterson followers are centrist. The center of the political spectrum is where the sorted people are.
Yup; we're straddling order and chaos, father culture and mother nature ("roughly speaking"). We treasure and realize the power of the individual while not rejecting the positive aspects inherent in trust, security and cooperation when it comes to the common sphere.
unfortunately the the right are starting to exploit peterson's genius alec. He is the reincarnation of orwell.
Artemirr Lazaris: Well, fix the misfiring and write something intelligible then.
I like how when he says things like "I'm going to torture you in the worst possible way", he looks and points at someone from the audience.
- This creature standing so tall as he tells the stories of the people of this realm, what is he?
- That is a man, like other men.
- Like other men you say? Then... could this be me?
- Only if your straighten yourself up first, buckaroo!
I keep coming back to Peterson again and again. He must be the most important living thinker. Anyone?
you truly are a force for good in this world. You have changed my life for the better.
Drink for every:
"Roughly speaking"
Shot for every:
"And that's that"
and a toke for every "predicated" and "presupposition"
"it's not self-evident by any stretch of imagination"
And that's no joke.
There's a moment in this lecture with three "That's that"s in a 10 second period. The dragon whale Leviathan of drunken chaos is going to swallow us into its belly, ladies and gentlemen...
can someone make a poster of this?... JBP Drinking game.
Jordan: "What do you want to subordinate yourself to?"
Me: "..."
Jordan: "How about your heroic willingness to encounter the unkown"
🤯
"Your girlfriend is not your mother. Or at least she shouldn't be."
- Dr. Jordan Peterson
And your mother definitely shouldn't be your girlfriend.
@@DAAraiz Tell that to the guys on PH.
@OP And yeah, that seems like common sense to me. But there are some that don’t have that part.
Say this to Oedipus. Ha ha
Haaaa
Can't believe I never noticed the comparison, but then I read about the Buddha looking for alternatives to Christian belief systems when in my late teens, the only information I had for comparison were bible stories I could barely remember from early childhood.
Thank you again professor P for another great lecture.
One of the very best and most revealing lectures I've ever seen. Excellent perspective.
He uses his hands so well when he explains things
He does! I think it really helps you visualize what he is saying. Keeps your brain moving.
waking up and there is jordan peterson video! wonderful day!
I'm watching this video years after the lecture was given and I'm wondering if the students in this class have any idea how fortunate they are to be in your presence.
To have been* , sadly. Since he is no longer teaching young minds, sadly (officially in uni at least)
That thought crossed my mind too. I imagine that some or even most of these students took these lectures in the blur of so much information in their university experience. I believe that getting Jordan Peterson’s insights in person were highly impactful but it’s doubtful that any of them had any inkling of what the future would hold for JP’s career.
He was already speaking at large halls. Id say they had an idea and (some) had their 5 hour energies prior to class and were ready….
I've NEVER...heard anyone so capable of articulating a subject so well that.... it's not only sooo educational....but very entertaining as well
51:00 - 52:30 literally gives me the chills listening to it.
I’ve really enjoyed your lectures and your book Dr. Peterson, thank you so much!
1:40:10 Though I hate bitterness, this is something NO ONE in any church that I've gone to in my entire christian life of 11 years, being 33 now, has ever dared touch on (sufficiently) or even speak about, probably because a great deal of incompetence. Christ I'm so angry that it has been taking THIS LONG to get an accurate answer. The people who both has the responsibility and the obligation to know and present spiritual reality and Christ himself, lacks the knowledge on how to explain, this! I've even reached out to Rabbi's in trying to sort this out and they can't simply explain it properly!
My great thanks to this great man, my eyes would still be blind to a great degree if not Jordan would of taking the time to read this through and present it the way he does so well. From all of my heart, thank you.
I also suggest Swedenborg. His work "Arcana Coelestia" or "Secrets of Heaven" talks through all of Genesis and the first 20 chapters of Exodus, line by line, and sometimes word by word, as well as going on awesome theological tangents about heaven and life, etc. I suggest the Rose translation, the first two volumes of which are accessible online, and other translations (he wrote in Latin) are available for later volumes -- NewChristianBibleStudy .org is a nice, user-friendly way to find full text of his books, and to search his works on particular topics. His book Divine Providence is a favourite of mine, because it deals with the problem of evil. Heaven and Hell is probably his most popular book, but I like True Christianity/True Christian Religon even better, which also talks about heaven, and might be interesting to you as a frustrated fellow Christian! JBP is the first person I've found who talks about the Bible in line with Swedenborg, and no wonder, considering JBP's interest in Jung:
"I admire Swedenborg as a great scientist and a great mystic at the same time. His life and work has always been of great interest to me and I read about seven fat volumes of his writings when I was a medical student." (Jaffe/Jung, Memories, Dreams, Reflections, 1957)
"Swedenborg's message... has been my strongest incitement to overcome limitations." (Jung, Modern Man in Search of a Soul, 1933).
there is a certain resonance that rings in my mind as I listen to these lectures. I have actually cleared my desk of all distractions, bought a very expensive fountain book and notepad, and all I do after work is sit by my desk and write notes as I listen to Jordan Peterson. and what particularly drives me crazy is the fact that these vids were posted 2 years ago. I have wasted my time listening to the likes of Alex jones , the whole MSN and all these alternative media pundits who parrot each other and poison the well. I am in a transitional period of my life, and it is hell. A hell I could have managed if I had come across this material earlier. The ironic thing is that I would not have come across this material, if the MSN had nit tried to take hits at Jordan Peterson. I have studied psychology, sociology, Ai and arts and media at Uni level, but the stuff they taught never sank in. If only Jordan Peterson had been my lecturer. But as long as they do not do an Alex jones on Jordan? he will always be here, and I will always have my time spare to learn. It is not everyday that a person teaches you about morality with such clarity and such truthfulness. I am really enjoying these lectures, and as long as this channel is open? I feel like I am getting an education fro free. Absolutely loving this :)
Couldn't agree more. Absolutuley brilliant lectures. I wouldnt compare to A jones tho. He's a big time phony fake news quack who wants your attention and money. Peterson is the real deal. No agenda but to teach.
@@anthojones520 I believe what he was trying to say is something like, 'as long as Peterson doesn't get censored off of TH-cam like Jones his work will be around for years to listen to and learn from.'
Carlos Mbaziira Aho. What you said. Goes for me too. ✊👍💙
I am also very impressed by Dr. Peterson’s lectures. It is unfortunate that these type of lectures are not available at all liberal arts universities.
Many of us feel exactly the same about him.
'Gives articulation.. to the imagination... of the population' what a way with words you have Dr.
Wow!!!! Amazing!!!! Jordan's passion is like super-charged rocket fuel.....it can help lift you up "out of this world" & into states of thinking & pondering of many, many wonders of life!!!!
This man needs his own podcast.
Really enjoying the difference in Peterson’s tone of voice at the beginning of a lecture, straight after the end of a previous one. Listening to him work himself into such excitement is very engaging. Learning loads. When are you doing lectures on exodus Prof?
That student shows up late than blocks the camera. Sort yourself dude.
sholderubber0 hahaha he said it wouldnt happen again, i mentioned that in the last lecture.
lol watch it happen again next lecture.
*then... Sort your grammar out. ;)
you're a grammar tyrant, roughly speaking. And that's that.
Sholderubber00 Give him a break, it's Larry, he's always late because he never leaves the house without tidying his room.
I do not what I would do without Dr Peterson. Thank you for helping me sorting out my life.
I've never heard anyone better explain the dichotomy in the bible stories. Thank you.
i can see the recent events have begun creeping into these lectures in subtle ways. the lectures from 2015 and before dr Peterson didnt stress his voice as much when talking about universities and underlying soc justice thoughts.
these videos have been helping me a LOT through a recent breakup. Woo!
Dr. Peterson is the Carl Jung of our era. A true genius, eh? :) THANK YOU, Jordan.
Jordan Peterson for answering Gods call for rediscovering the alpha and omega the true alphabet of
The creative word . And I know
There will be no stopping you.
Until you have completed this
Task . Praise God for sending
U once more !
Mary Wilkerson
Thank you Jordan Peterson. I am not linguistically gifted enough to express how thankful I am for your material. You have rescued me from the whale. I was unemployed, addicted to drugs,smoking a pack of cigarettes a day, depressed and deeply nihilistic. I viewed religion as the opiate of the masses. I was also a moral relativist and at more times than I am proud of had suicidal thoughts. I would often feel like it would be better if it all just fell apart. I was hopeless. Your material has helped me so much. I began exercising, and cleaning my room, and tried to stay to a schedule. I looked at western society and Christian values in a whole new light , slowly I started to feel better and better. I eventually got a job, I have stopped almost all drugs. I still have a few drinks occasionally, and smoke a little pot every once in a while. But my depression and nihilistic thoughts are gone. I have my ups and downs like anyone else but as far as just feeling hopeless all the time like I was that is gone. I have whole new lease on life and I don't know how I can possibly thank you enough. I truly believe you saved my life. You are an amazing teacher and a hero for the stand you are taking against the radical leftist pc authoritarians in the fight for western civilization.
It is beyond words how incredible this lecture is. I am 40 minutes in and just completely taken away.