I should have listened to this three years ago. I didn’t know how prudent one should be in a relationship, and I didn’t know that you are to keep a potential vocation secret. Please pray for my discernment.
Yup. This absolutely had to be said and is total 🔥. Thank you Father. THIS should be put on blast for all young people! God Bless all who listened and believed!
I’m confused about the keeping it a secret part, because I find when people know I’m discerning especially my peers and friends, it’s super clear I’m not interested in dating anyone and I can be friendly and say hi to people and be charitable without anyone having to wonder I might have some other intention.
I can see how arousing the passions could derail someone into discerning his vocation and yet I find the notion of a kiss sealing a mans fate eternally to be simply wrong... after all, St. Augustine of Hippo was ordained, was he not?
I can’t agree that young men need to keep their vocation a secret. Prayer should be the no 1 priority for the seminarian(or for those men trying to get into the seminary). The young man’s family should be praying for him to be able to discern his vocation, the family can’t do that if the young man tries to hide his vocation. Also, there is much responsibility on the shoulders of the vocation director’s part, and too often this is overlooked by the church. Failing to discern a vocation in a candidate’s life can be due to a lack of prayer or solid pastoral training on the vocation director’s part; a poor vocation director can wreak havoc in a young person’s life. This is a huge problem for the church, because so often no one questions a cleric’s prayer life or pastoral training, and often the cleric is so overworked that deep prayer is pushed out of the cleric’s day to day work....and certainly the seminarian will not be in a position to judge the status of a vocation director’s effectiveness because of their inexperience. In addition, a vocation director also has to deal with the bureaucracy of the church, which can impede the discernment process by blocking communication between the candidates spiritual director, family, and himself. The reason the church has had so much pedophile and sex offender religious is due to the lack of prayer and study in the vocation discernment process of the seminaries of the past; many of these offending priests should never have been accepted in these seminaries and others who may have had an authentic vocation have lost their way due to a lack of prayer and knowledge on their part, and lack of spiritual support in their communities, so instead of honestly dealing with their sinfulness in prayer or admitting their ignorance in pastoral theological issues have instead abused their position of clerical authority and have caused so much harm to the laity in their charge. These abusive priests would have better served God to have resigned from the priesthood than to have continued clerical positions that they clearly had not maintained and/or discerned before they were ordained. What we have seen in the seminaries of the past are organizations stacked with the wrong people whom failed to discern true clerical vocations due to bad pastoral training and lack of prayer. These seminaries perpetuated their errors by their communal failure to confront their failings in prayer and study, and their clerical members only reinforced each other and made their seminaries so insular and secretive that no one in their time could see their errors and confront them about it. Unfortunately we have seen the consequences of these insular communities in our time whom have successfully barricaded themselves in the past against any communication or confrontation of their failures to authentically discern vocations. I fervently pray and hope that the seminaries of our time do not make their vocation discernment a secret thing impregnable to prayer and knowledge.
What about those of us who are converts later in life who are discerning whether we are called to religious life? I was far from chaste before my conversion but have been completely chaste in action (not perfect in thought to be fair) since then, I was also baptized at my conversion. I suppose it doesn't mean I'm automatically not called to that if St Augustine is to be an example but does this create any complications with how I live out my vocation if it is in fact the religious life?
I also have not dated since my conversion but have tried to pursue dates. Should I probably not pursue this untill I am fully discerned that I'm called to married life?
The Catholic Church will still accept you as a priest so long as you didnt get married. If you are a male, you can still be a deacon in the Catholic Church if you are married. You'll have the ability to do many things that a priest does but not everything.
@@alisterrebelo9013 Well I posted that comment over a year ago. I since talked to one of my amazing priests at my parish (it's actually the parish that Steve, the guy who runs the channel, used to go to when he was in CO). He recommended I read Liguori: Dignity and Duties of the Priest. Got a third of the way through that book and it seemed to me pretty clear that I'm not called to the priesthood. As far as joining the permanent deaconate that would be way off in the future if ever. Plus I go to a TLM parish so we don't really have permanent deaconate anyway. To be clear I'm not knocking on any permanent deacons, I know a few that are amazing men. In fact one of them at my old NO parish where I came into the Church is the person who got me on the daily Rosary train when I was under spiritual attack leading up to my confirmation.
I should have listened to this three years ago. I didn’t know how prudent one should be in a relationship, and I didn’t know that you are to keep a potential vocation secret. Please pray for my discernment.
Guard your Catholic hearts. Thank you Father. 3 Hail Mary's for you.
It is not easy going off to visit various convents without your friends and family knowing....
I should have heard this 1 month ago. I didn't know how prudent to be when dating
Wish I had heard this 71 years ago
Yup. This absolutely had to be said and is total 🔥. Thank you Father. THIS should be put on blast for all young people! God Bless all who listened and believed!
This one's being saved for my two girls, thank you father!!!!!
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Too bad I didn't hear this 55 years ago!!!!!!
I’m confused about the keeping it a secret part, because I find when people know I’m discerning especially my peers and friends, it’s super clear I’m not interested in dating anyone and I can be friendly and say hi to people and be charitable without anyone having to wonder I might have some other intention.
Parents (especially if they are not particularly religious) in general have an interest to steer you away from a vocation.
I get where you have to keep it a secret, outside influences can throw a person off if they don't know how to discern.
I can see how arousing the passions could derail someone into discerning his vocation and yet I find the notion of a kiss sealing a mans fate eternally to be simply wrong... after all, St. Augustine of Hippo was ordained, was he not?
You'd be surprised.
"That smoochie you gave to a girl when you were in kindergarten? Yup, that means you're bound to Hell, buddy."@@Chadlifter
I can’t agree that young men need to keep their vocation a secret. Prayer should be the no 1 priority for the seminarian(or for those men trying to get into the seminary). The young man’s family should be praying for him to be able to discern his vocation, the family can’t do that if the young man tries to hide his vocation. Also, there is much responsibility on the shoulders of the vocation director’s part, and too often this is overlooked by the church. Failing to discern a vocation in a candidate’s life can be due to a lack of prayer or solid pastoral training on the vocation director’s part;
a poor vocation director can wreak havoc in a young person’s life. This is a huge problem for the church, because so often no one questions a cleric’s prayer life or pastoral training, and often the cleric is so overworked that deep prayer is pushed out of the cleric’s day to day work....and certainly the seminarian will not be in a position to judge the status of a vocation director’s effectiveness because of their inexperience. In addition, a vocation director also has to deal with the bureaucracy of the church, which can impede the discernment process by blocking communication between the candidates spiritual director, family, and himself.
The reason the church has had so much pedophile and sex offender religious is due to the lack of prayer and study in the vocation discernment process of the seminaries of the past; many of these offending priests should never have been accepted in these seminaries and others who may have had an authentic vocation have lost their way due to a lack of prayer and knowledge on their part, and lack of spiritual support in their communities, so instead of honestly dealing with their sinfulness in prayer or admitting their ignorance in pastoral theological issues have instead abused their position of clerical authority and have caused so much harm to the laity in their charge. These abusive priests would have better served God to have resigned from the priesthood than to have continued clerical positions that they clearly had not maintained and/or discerned before they were ordained. What we have seen in the seminaries of the past are organizations stacked with the wrong people whom failed to discern true clerical vocations due to bad pastoral training and lack of prayer. These seminaries perpetuated their errors by their communal failure to confront their failings in prayer and study, and their clerical members only reinforced each other and made their seminaries so insular and secretive that no one in their time could see their errors and confront them about it. Unfortunately we have seen the consequences of these insular communities in our time whom have successfully barricaded themselves in the past against any communication or confrontation of their failures to authentically discern vocations.
I fervently pray and hope that the seminaries of our time do not make their vocation discernment a secret thing impregnable to prayer and knowledge.
Please pray for me 😢
Wish I had listen to this 8 years ago
Interesting, thank you
GOOD thing you're NOT the devil, Father, BUT I think he's ALREADY done that. TRUTH Spoken: THANK YOU/GOD BLESS YOU, Father!!!
What about those of us who are converts later in life who are discerning whether we are called to religious life? I was far from chaste before my conversion but have been completely chaste in action (not perfect in thought to be fair) since then, I was also baptized at my conversion. I suppose it doesn't mean I'm automatically not called to that if St Augustine is to be an example but does this create any complications with how I live out my vocation if it is in fact the religious life?
I also have not dated since my conversion but have tried to pursue dates. Should I probably not pursue this untill I am fully discerned that I'm called to married life?
Hello.
What happened? Did you talked to a priest? Did you became a religious?
I'm in a similar situation... 😭
The Catholic Church will still accept you as a priest so long as you didnt get married. If you are a male, you can still be a deacon in the Catholic Church if you are married. You'll have the ability to do many things that a priest does but not everything.
@@alisterrebelo9013 Well I posted that comment over a year ago. I since talked to one of my amazing priests at my parish (it's actually the parish that Steve, the guy who runs the channel, used to go to when he was in CO). He recommended I read Liguori: Dignity and Duties of the Priest. Got a third of the way through that book and it seemed to me pretty clear that I'm not called to the priesthood. As far as joining the permanent deaconate that would be way off in the future if ever. Plus I go to a TLM parish so we don't really have permanent deaconate anyway. To be clear I'm not knocking on any permanent deacons, I know a few that are amazing men. In fact one of them at my old NO parish where I came into the Church is the person who got me on the daily Rosary train when I was under spiritual attack leading up to my confirmation.
Can a mistake in this regard be repaired, (of course all is possible with God), but especially in consideration of discerning a spouse?
Pray.
Who is the preacher?
Seriously good talking point. But I think Father wants an apple. Someone give him an apple. No wait...2 apples.
Too much time spent on the apples.
Patrick Fealy Double meaning?
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