You're wrong about Spider-Man PS4
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So the issue you showed where you said that Spider-Man doesn’t usually survive falling- well in that issue AS SPIDER-MAN IS FALLING he notes how “he will probably be fine and has survived worse” before black cat saves him. And the man who wrote that comic had read every Spider-Man comic there is before starting his run. So I don’t know if you’ve ever actually read that comic but…But I do agree that videgames and movies even should be allowed to be over the top and unrealistic at times because that’s what comic books are about
That's my bad, I forgot he said that. That does imply that a fall like that would still injure him though.
@@amazingpsm oh wow I didn’t think you’d reply but I appreciate you did, because I was going to just walk away upset but now… I can’t because you fixed my point. So yeah, thank you! I do strongly agree with the vast majority of your points in this video though- only thing is that I wish superhero movies, like superhero video games, were allowed to be more over the top and have more freedom with their stories. I mean that’s the fun of comic books- their larger then life! They shouldn’t be panned because the physics don’t line up or something. You’d rather watch Spider-Man just fight like some normal guy rather than do backflips and stuff? Modern Superhero movies are a lot of times too grounded by reality, unlike older superhero films and comics, like the 2000s Spider-Man trilogy where they’re just over the top enough without being silly (not that the raimi series is perfect).
But superhero films should be allowed to have fun with the characters the same way the comics and games do.
@@zlch4021 Neil DeGrasse Tyson once told Syfy that scientific accuracy does science fiction many favors (this was in regards to Starkiller Base in Star Wars 7), and Into the Spiderverse goes as over-the-top as one would expect from a Phil Lord and Christopher Miller movie.
@@amazingpsm yeah, It DID injure him, 616 Issue 7, I remember reading the Marvel Age retelling of it as a kid first, in that issue Spiderman broke his arm fighting Vulture from missing a webshot for a swing, that scene stuck with me as a kid and have always liked that there's that vulnerability that should also be present in the games, my opinion
This game has too many flaws. It's perfect but not excellent like shattered dimensions. I expected a better, new, ideas for new York, I did not expect another freeroam like Toby or Andrew Garfield games. Because it's so similar that takes away the fun. Miles did better
Is suspension of disbelief dead? That guy complaining about Spider-Man possibly killing enemies or exposing his identity through backpacks is just silly. Like, Peter maintaining sustained flight during his air combos or being riddled with bullets but still moving is fine but an enemy taking a spill on his head will instantly kill him? It’s a video game, there are the realistic aspects sprinkled in with arcade like action, like how in a wrestling game you can have a 160 pound guy power slam a 400 pound guy, because it’s a game and the main purpose is to be entertaining over realistic.
Yeah, I agree completely. I think however, that it's less of people being unable to cut a game some slack and more of some people really holding out for a game or form of media that will truly make you feel like you're in the shoes of Spider-Man AND Peter Parker super well. Which I feel, in-turn, creates this weird lens where any area that isn't up to such high standards is basically a mortal sin in comparison. I can't relate but I have friends who seem to feel this way so I'm that's my two sense as to why so many people seem to nitpick.
Yeah I've noticed people's sticking points with fiction are getting increasingly bizarre these days.
Or even just one of the simplest moves. The uppercut into the air. That would completely shatter a jaw and destroy the front part of the skull. They don’t even get knocked out in this game.
@@owenb6499 you can also pull them in the air, smack em around, jump off them and slam em right back down. And they survive all of it. I'd say it's pretty safe to say cartoon physics are at play here.
@@owenb6499 Exactly. People will just say, “Oh, he’s holding back so that’s why he’s not killing them.” He’s hitting them in a central location hard enough to launch them clear into the air. If he was holding back, he would pop them in the jaw and they would just fall over. The force behind an uppercut like that could probably break a wall.
I like to think that in the cutscenes where Peter seems to be waiting to save everyone have it where you're shown everything that was happening before you got to the area that triggers the cutscene.
Yeah because the explosion occurs after the truck hits the police cars which you witness while swinging being 200m away. So makes sense.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
yeah, it shouldn't be so hard for people to just realize gameplay Peter and cutscene Peter aren't the same distance away from a Scene. The game needs you to move in close both so you can enjoy your first swing and so you have an actual idea of where you are, it would be pretty confusing if you triggered a cutscene in times square before it was even visible just so you could be a realistic distance away.
That is what's happening
@@amitrajitdas31yeah that's what I'm saying
I think applying a sense of realism to a fictional universe never works, especially when trying to nitpick what is and isn’t realistic. Spider-Man is a man who got bit by a radioactive spider that gives him superhuman strength and durability, of course him (and to an extent his universe) will be unrealistic.
I agree I think things should make sense yes but realistic No and there is a difference to things making sense and realism
A good rule of thumb to always keep in mind is that a story only has to make sense within its own universe. Only compare some elements to real life if you don't have any good reason to believe it's any different from real life. (Things like physics and laws and shit). This means that just because a thing has fantasy or sci-fi doesn't mean it's ok for nothing to make sense (always hated that argument)
I mean Batman would disagree. A lot of realism can help in some stories such as the dark knight movies. Obviously they can make non realistic Batman movies amazingly. But you can for realistic ones too
I like realism as much the next guy I mean BF1 is one of my favourite games. But you gotta excuses somethings for not being 100 realistic. Because it’s a fun entertaining game/media first then realistic, religious and historical accuracy later.
@@dante_0962 we need more like you
Literally every spider man game fan base after like 2 years:
It's more like people get used to a game and get a better picture of it so that they can understand the games problems.
True
@@Jiub_SNI saw its problems from the beginning and there's not this many I can name actual problems and none of them are these ones
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I genuinely disagree with basically every single thing these guys said. A lot of the first guys issues are just personal preference with a huge amount of arrogance and weird takes. The second guys issues mostly centre around suspension of disbelief at first. Which isn't a valid criticism at all since canonically they do survive these things and comparing it to dceu batman is stupid because he CANONICALLY kills
Yeah, he’s not acknowledging that it’s not SUPPOSED to be a realistic depiction of violence, and is just meant to make you feel cool as Spider-Man
Agreed. I mean, by that same logic Arkham Batman kills as well. Hell, a lot of movies and TV shows have people surviving things they shouldn't be able to. It happens all the time in fiction. But Spider-man doesn't kill, so we are supposed to expect that they survived. And I'm OK with that.
@@darrenmacqueen9884 exactly. In fact pretty sure I saw someone complaining about arkham batman on twitter before I left that hellsite
@@darrenmacqueen9884 the thing about spider-man (idk if it is ps4 version or just remastered) but if you nock and enemy off a building or large fall the automatically get webbed and stuck to the side of the building so their is no suspension of disbelief etc etc. cuz we know for a fact they aren't dying and the only person who ever died from spider-man webbing them was gwen and im pretty sure it was revealed in a later comic or maybe that same issue but it was i think green goblin had broken her neck prior to throwing her off the building so then when pete went to save her she was already dead but he didn't know and thought that he killed her trying to save her. been forever since i read that one tho so idk how accurate my memory is
@@darrenmacqueen9884 Yeah me running over a thug with the batmobile and then doing donuts on his body certainly shouldn't be "unconscious"
If I'm being real, the personality thing I'm not really a fan of. Peter having an attitude is cool and all but...I feel like back then, it makes more sense for him. Y'know, when he was more of a teen.
But now he's gotten very humble, he's grown, he's past a lot more of that stuff. He's called the friendly neighborhood Spider-Man for a reason. I feel like him acting like a douchebag is just...frankly out of character for him. He's snarky and cracks jokes at bad times, and tbh...the guy said Spidey's villains hate him for insulting them, so this one being friendly is kind of out of character and doesn't mesh with that idea:
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Firstly, having a full-fledged conversation with a bad guy is incredibly frustrating when they're trying to murder you. It shows very clearly that the guy talking about how these grunts need more variety in their uniforms /really/ isn't taking this fight seriously in the slightest. Fights where...usually those grunts are literally trying to kill him. That in itself, is a GIANT level of disrespect imo. And then mesh that with the fact that...he actually does insult his bad guys: "Y'know what Herman? You have like zero personality."
"Man, you guys make swinging and missing an art form!"
"If only you guys put THIS much effort into your fashion choices!"
"You guys drunk? Or just stupid?"
"Remember our first fight? Me so young and stupid...you just...stupid-"
"I dunno if you were paid to kill me or recruit me but...you kinda suck at both-"
And imo, Spider-Man's personality is handled pretty damn well in this game. So yeah, while I respect that Twitter users opinion and respect the fact his pfp is Vegeta, I also hard disagree with that take too.
let's not forget spider-man has been written by so many writers over time (60yrs.), there is no way to satisfy every generation of spider-man fans. At most you can pick the best/favorite traits or portrayals of his character, mix your own interpretation (which kind of what they sorta did).
everyone has their ideal favorite "spider-man", there is no such thing as one true spider-man.
I feel like tho spiderman couldve had better dunnier quips and jokes. I dont think the jokes are funny enough it’s subjective but whoever wrote quips for the show spectacular Spider-Man needs to be the official spiderman quip writer. Those quips didnt miss
@@Drodz1030 For real tho, those ones are great, XD
@@c.wubby.u861 Yeah, plenty of people have their own favorite variant...I should know due to how many arguments I've been in over the 3 movie spidah-men-- lol
Honestly I completely agree that's why I didn't understand that take of he's not "in character"
honestly i think the biggest BIGGEST takeaway here that i've found is..
things we love are allowed to have negatives.
and while i do agree with some of his points, i think it would be extremely harsh for insomniac to lose the license, the games still have a lot of good in them and im sure they will improve in some places in time, and eventually they will pass on the license. its not like insomniac is gonna have it forever.
Of course they won't have it forever
Activision had it for a while, Insomniac probably would for a bit and in like the next 14 years or probably lower someone else would be given the license
Only thing I really agree with is the MJ and Mr negative critic's, the rest is average to amazing. The game is definitely a solid 7, but I love it enough to be an 8
@@DatPRGuy2017 I'm guessing Insomniac has a rough overall story planned out and are just going to follow that for however many games it takes.
the fact that people want someone else to make the spider-man games really fucking IRKS me. like these are the first spider-man games since ultimate spider-man and spider-man 2 that are actually good and enjoyable. every game after was shit. spider-man 3 was only fun on the ps2 cuz you could change the black suit whenever you wanted and i was a fucking kid but replaying it is a nightmare. friend or foe was essentially ultimate alliance but spider-man centric. which was fine but barely a spider-man game. now shattered dimensions and edge of time were actually fun but they were extremely linear and not really worth replaying. the amazing spiderman games 1 & 2 are both steaming dog piles that usually are full of bugs and glitches and run horribly for mostly 95% of all people who try to play them. why do people wanna change it up when we are finally getting good spider-man games???? what just cuz its not a horribly unpolished mess fueled by cocaine like web of shadows?????
@@bitchface235 Web of shadows was a banger tho, insomniac should steal more stuff from that game. Like the Web strike, wall fighting, use of other marvel characters that aren't spiderman orientated and destructibility. U could throw cars in that game like in ultimate spiderman! So memorable and solid imo
Personally I think its a good ass game,
Its not perfect , I feel everyone has a problem with Mj's writing as she seems to be incapible of doing any wrong even though she nearly gets herself and peter killed several times which is enough to make your eyes roll, peter himself is great though, I found this vesion wise but still selfish, it made him feel very human in a setting that often makes the hero you're playing as feel like a god, he's not like a 1/1 rip off of slotts spider-man he never comes across as too much of a dick and he's still likeable enough to have a group of friendsand working relationships with people other than his aunt, something dan slotts peter never does because slott really thought peter WAS an asshole and ALWAYS ruined his relationships, i feel like he's a good mix of pre one mores day wise and scientific peter and slotts youthful can never catch a break spidey, its really solid and you really do feel for peter when he has to watch his mentors downfall. The gameplay is solid although i much prefer the web strike from web of shadows, I dunno I think people are being a lil too hard on it, its not perfect, but its good
Counter culture. If most people go one way, there's a group that just has to say the opposite. I don't love the combat in the game but this game is easily a 8/10
The bandwagoning and recency bias the game got when it released on PS4 and people saying it was perfect was a bit much, kinda like what happened to Elden Ring recently, but I agree with you.
Spider-Man isn't perfect but it's very solid imo. I've only played it a few days ago now that it came out on PC. Overall it was about what I expected: Insomniac knows how to make a polished game with great attention to detail (been a long time Ratchet & Clank fan) and what I looked forward to the most, the web slinging/swinging, didn't disappoint. I'd even say it's the most fun traversal out of any open world game I've played. :D
On the other hand, I must admit I'm slightly disappointed that it didn't really bring much new to the table and it clearly borrows A LOT from the Arkham games when it comes to the combat, as most people have realised. So the combat lacks originality, but it wasn't a huge problem to me, as the combat system is still perfect for Spider-Man anyways. The gameplay I did not like however was from MJ and Miles, which was boring and completely lacking in depth and then on top of that, as you mentioned, MJ was written in a way that made her a bit unlikable... I'm also not a huge fan of the way Spiderman was treated by the writers sometimes, be it through MJ or just him being played like an annoying idiot cracking bad jokes (as mentioned in the video). I also found a good portion of side quests and challenges to be a bit repetitive and recycled, but to be fair, most open worlds struggle with this.
But I suppose this is all the criticism I have for the game, most of which could be taken as nitpicks to some people, so overall it's a game I'd recommend.
There’s really no big problems with the game besides maybe mj character, the mj and miles missions, and MAYBE the story. It’s literally a fine good game.
@The Rue Morgue I know, but at the time that combat system wasn't really all that refined.
Arkham was the game that made that combat system more polished and popularized it.
@The Rue Morgue it had the very basic ideas of the arkham combat system but it's a bit of a stretch to say it was the same or even similar, Batman's combat is all about reaction times and getting a good rhythm to deal with massive waves of enemies with gadgets and fists and a major part the whole game entirely revolves around that as well as stealth, while Spiderman 2 was just more of an unrefined side activity where you can fuck around with enemies launching them a billion feet in the air.
Elaborating on Yuri’s quips and general Spidey performance, it was VERY different at a certain point in development. There are clips online that show early builds of the game, some of which show Spidey (in a different looking advanced suit) relaying his quips with a significantly more assertive and deeper tone. For reference, it’s pretty much how NPH did his voice for Peter in TNAS, which I think for the general demeanor of Peter before say his marriage, is damn near perfect. Most modern adaptions of the character make teen/YA Peter way more soft and child-like, which I’m not a fan of personally. Young Peter’s age in-costume shouldn’t be easily discernible imo. USM was the only adaption to change this but actually make USE of this change
2:20 I like his elaboration here, and I do hope that in the sequel, maybe the black suit will have an influence on him. For example, making him more kiddish and reverting back to his early days of being too cocky or arrogant. It would be better than them making him just more angry or something too simple.
The guy you interviewed
Listen you're allowed to have your own opinions but listening to some of the things he said
He seems like the type of person that says you have to use comics as a 1 for 1 reference and if you don't it's bad
I strongly disagree with this guy
Same.
Exactly. Because he's not exactly like 616 Peter it's bad.
Same. It's one thing to not like how a character is portrayed but treating the comics as if they're the definitive iteration of the character just because they came first is not exactly a solid metric to go by.
Hi said person here and I’d disagree with that, I’m just a comic Spider-Man fan first and prefer things to be like them if I felt the way you said I wouldn’t like any of them, It’s just whatever lines up with my preferences is what I’m personally more fond of, it doesn’t mean anyone else has to agree or that my views are objective. Opinions are like a$$holes everyone’s got one.
Of course, a fake Spider-man fan would disagree. You're the type of guy who defend Tom Holland to the death despite him being a completely new character with Peter's powers.
If you're using a pre-existing character i will judge the character of the source because that's the one I like. The less it is like the source the worse it is. Imagine if all of Game of Thrones was like the final season. Would that be okay or is it just Comic fans who can't ask for accuracy?
I agree with your point that games can't be judged as movies since they're a completely diferent medium and should be critizized as such. For example, should we complain that since you're in control of peter he can stop going after a burning building in the main story to chase after a pigeon?...lol. Also there is no perfect game and there will never be a perfect game and thats fine.
I think it's boring, to many stealth missions and copy pasted bases with the same sponge enemies ots just a ton of artificial difficulty and snore fests especially the MJ missions those are just terrible
@@sword_racer185 Yeah sadly many sandbox games suffer from copy pasted missions and quests. Also MJ missions are trash I agree.
@@jmct7462 Sony exclusives are becoming re skins of eachother and its starting to show,to be clear I'm not attacking anyone that likes Sony exclusives, I'm just noticing a large pattern in sonys recent exclusives
@@sword_racer185 if you think this boring you have no taste in games
@@realquickflashy1766 I do have taste I just think this game is boring
It’s called science fiction for a reason. It’s a fictional world. Attempting to argue realism in a universe where there a dudes who can stop bullets their skulls and talking raccoons is stupid.
I personally loved the back packs and I loved the lore behind it. I thought it was really cool seeing the stuff he did. I’d personally love a prequel game or at least a few throw back missions of him reliving his origin or the first time he fought people.
So you’re okay with the fact that Spider-Man idiotically leaves behind backpacks that yields clues to his true identity? He even forgot he was holding sandman captive in one of his backpacks. Don’t use the bullshit excuse that’s it’s just a video game collectibles so it’s not canon because it actually is canon because Spider-Man actually mentions during a cutscenes in the main story. How the goddamn fuck did he just forget the backpacks even though he placed tracking devices on them? And the method he used to track them is complete bullshit . He modified the oscorp surveillance towers to track more than just crimes, which is really invasive. Keep in mind that Spider-Man is aware of corrupt cops under the employ of Wilson Fisk. That’s not only problem with insomniac’s Spider-Man, he’s a ruthless asshole as well. Spider-Man encourages these reprehensible actions. Just like the elevator with the demons, you don’t need to take those demons in the elevator but Spider-Man actually encourages this deplorable act of ruthlessness. Spider-Man actually encourages the player to web the demons in the elevator shaft so they inevitably get crushed by the elevator or incinerated by the Molotov cocktail. Since Spider-Man encourages it, that means insomniac actually thought that’s something Spider-Man would which proves how clueless and misunderstanding they are of the character of Spider-Man.
I mainly just hated how MJ literally kept the train station situation to herself cause she was wanting to be petty to Pete for saving her after running into a military facility💀. Plus “sneaking” into crime scenes to get an interview. She may be a good reporter but her morals are questionable- she seems hooked on “a good story” like a crackhead in this game
This is what happens to every really good game. People overhype the shit out of it and it gets praised nonstop, and then 3 years later everyone is like "Hey this game sucks sweaty booty balls because this one cutscene has a 0.05% chance of not rendering with lighting!" or whatever dumb thing. I don't think the inaccuracy to 616 Peter's personality should be a criticism because it's not a 616 game. It's insomniac's game, their universe and their story. They can write him however they want. The only thing I majorly dislike about the game are the civilian stealth missions. And a couple of the boss fights are boring. And Peter and MJ's relationship is weird. Nevermind this game sucks sweaty booty balls!!
Yeah it’s seems like people need something new to complain about
@@BIGG_BOI_M9 Ong
The fact that Spiderman can tank hits from Hulk and Thor pretty casually but everyone says it's weird if he can survive a fall...
I get what you’re saying, but I don’t think he’s every really taken a real full blown attack from either Hulk or Thor to say he “casually tanks their hits”.
Are we going to forget the hidden mechanic in the game where spiderman throws enemies off buildings? there is a mechanic where the enemies are caught by a line of webbing from the building. I'm not sure
Yep it works as if Peter attached a web device to them that automatically sticks them to parts of building when he throws them off.
Instead of employing the obvious solution of invisible walls to prevent hostiles falling off buildings. The Einsteins at Imsomiac’s studios thought to just incorporate a feature where enemies who fall off buildings are webbed to the walls at such a swift paste that they should have died from the impact or the whiplash. During enemy base missions, the game even has objectives that encourages the player to perform these heinous actions.
@@MistahJ1940 better then unrealistic invisible walls🤣
@@MistahJ1940 henius acts? Lol Calm down its a video game. I would love to see you come up with something better.
@@MistahJ1940 🤡
Besides how MJ is handled I actually think the story is pretty good and I'm fine with how Peter is portrayed, I don't need things to be 100% accurate to the comics because then that would be boring.
Personally for me i think spiderman can have better jokes.
So you’re okay with Peter valuing Mary Jane’s life over countless others at GCT, performing moves that should kill people but it doesn’t because of plot armor? You’re okay with Peter giving up the element of surprise just to crack a joke? All of which ps4 Spider-Man does.
@@MistahJ1940 I will admit him valuing MJ's life over everyone else is kinda weird but with him performing takedowns that could kill people you kinda have to suspend your disbelief cause that's just a thing with most media that has a superhero that doesn't kill. If Spider-man does a takedown that would look more safe and not break every bone in his body then it wouldn't exactly look cool and flashy.
although your name is 'crazy person' , you actually made a pretty good point since if the games or the movies are exactly the same as the comics then what's the point of watching them? like just read the comics.
@@MistahJ1940 id be ok with him giving up the element of surprise if it was a good joke.
SK's video made me so angry based mostly on the fact that he ignores the medium to make judgements about the game as if it were a movie. That's just not possible with with a video game narrative. The one that had me the most upset was him criticizing the fact that the player is allowed to perform a web takedown in the elevator if they want, and passing that off as bad characterization for Peter. It's a completely optional takedown that was given to the player to allow them to play how they want. Since game design is about letting the player play how they want within the mechanics of the game. So, in the game design, the devs want to account for every option the player can think of to get past an encounter. For a Spider-Man game where you can take down enemies, it doesn't really make sense for the player to not be able to do that in an elevator shaft, and then they would be limiting the player for the sake of cheap stealth. If SK has an issue with that, then that would be an issue he has with the game design, not the writing.
This game is by no means perfect and I think you do a great job at pointing out some of the issues that I also had with the game, but it is still a damn good time and a great game. It has some great moments of characterization, fun gameplay and combat, great suits (they finally figured out how to incentivize the player into actually stopping crimes, just give them suits as rewards), and a great villain.
I couldnt finish the video because it was just nitpick the video. Literally watched the first thirty minutes and it was still at kingpin. It fucking sucked ass. It couldve been good if it didnt nitpick nonsense for no reason like if it was just main story beats and characters itd be alright
@@Drodz1030 it took me a week to get through the video. And that was because I was constantly shouting at the screen because of how selectively he used gameplay examples as ‘evidence’ for bad characterization
But Spider-Man thought it would be a good idea to web takedown goons inside an elevator, which means insomniac thought that’s something Spider-Man would do. It just shows those morons know nothing about the character of Spider-Man. Literally every single character in the entire game is a moron. The gameplay is boring as hell, most of the gadgets are instant knock outs
@@Drodz1030 you don’t know what nitpicking. Nitpicking is a critique of minor details. Character assassinations, plot holes and dumb character decisions are not minor flaws and yet Spider-Man ps4 commits all of them.
@@MistahJ1940
No they don’t?
Character assassination?
Retcons? How are they retconning anything when this is there own and new canon take?
The vast majority of the criticism in that video WAS pointless, superficial nitpick
Some personal criticisms of the game itself:
- I wish Peter was an actual loner, it seemed like he had it all figured out and everyone in his life was great (outside of Octavius). Maybe make Parker more of a loner and have the consequences be felt more in the game. Like when Peter Parker got evicted out of his apartment, I wish it had more of a consequence in the gameplay
- I wish the color scheme for Peter's suit was different when the first few trailers came out. I also wish he had an actual job like a scientist (outside of otto's lab) or was a science teacher like in JMS's run.
- The boss fights were lackluster
- The Open world is definitely the most developed but still feels repetitive of other Spidey games
- I wanted Peter to respond and/or consider what Mr. Negative was saying about Norman Osborn's selfishness (while still stopping Mr. Negative of course)
- I would have wanted a scene after the main story where Spidey confronts Norman Osborn
For the suit thing, luckily that has already been fixed by mods.
Peter isn’t a loner tho?
@@81sam then we need more relatable heroes
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 having friends isn't relatable?
@@carpetsmasher6331 so loners and loneliness don’t exist?
To me All killing in gameplay is non cannon, especially with the bits where you can manipulate the game by say making a rocket hit an enemy while dodging. The Peter wanting to save MJ sounds like it’s just a plot hole insomniac didn’t think about.
peter also throws motorcycles at people hard enough to explode aaid motorcycles
An additional point on people being thrown out of moving vehicles, is something that is already covered in the video game. When you knock an enemy off a building, trip-mine webs cling them to the nearest wall. I would imagine the same exact thing is being done to the passengers and driver in car chase side missions. Mind you, I’ve never bothered searching for the last guy thrown out, since I expect them to just be despawned, but in the event their bodies are indeed rendered unconscious on the sidewalk, then we return to the points made in the video that everyone in that universe are just more durable. Just look at how easily each of them brush off a manhole cover or a motorcycle, before you’ve punched them a fair amount. If the enemies can’t be found and are despawned, then it’s safe to assume Peter saved them with a web to land on, or hanged them in a web-cocoon from a traffic light.
im a little nervous cus i love this game
Me too
So? You have your own opinions don't you?
@@Akira00920 everyone does, but this guy shoves it right in front of you're face, just like JJJ.
for the part of “spider-man killing criminals when throwing them out of cars”, if you go into camera mode i think you can see one of those automatic web bombs tie a criminal to a street light or somthing
This game is a masterpiece still. I fully agree that this is modern Slott-like Peter but somehow they made me like him. Only a masterpiece could do that. This might not be the best Spider-Man ever made, but this is imo the best interpretation of the modern Slott/MCU-type Spider-Man.
Sometimes I get really stressed out, and then u play this game and feel completely refreshed.
Nah nah bro the fist bump between spidey and sable was pure wholesome
I really dislike "Marvel" fans nowadays. it's been over 50+ years since Spider-Man's first issue, yet they (Just like Marvel Comics) don't want him to change or grow up. I have been told I shouldn't like MCU Spider-Man because "In the comics he is an asshole, and UNCLE BEN IS IMPORTANT THERE" Well, no. I have read the original comics before I was introduced to any of the movies, and some things accurate, while other things I think are upgrades. Nevermind is entitled to his opinion, but we should start calling out those who just put down anything that isn't "MY 60s SPIDERMAN!!!!!!!!". Tom is great, Yuri is great, and Josh Keaton is great. Stop complaining about different iterations, and complain about shit iterations. I don't like Andrew's Spider-Man, and I think Marc Webb's Spider-Man is one of the most damaging and inaccurate one I have ever seen. But TASM not being accurate to the comics will never be the issue and I can still shut up when I see people enjoying TASM.
Sorry for the rant guys, I just love Spider-Man, and to see him being treated like shit by his "fans" is disheartening.
I 100% agree with this rant.
Only good rant I’ve seen
What a clown. Defends MCU Spider-man yet attacks TASM despite being the closest to Comic Book Peter than any other live adaptation including Spiderman PS4.
Claims to be a fan but refuse to acknowledge criticism of actual fans when the character is out of character. SMH.
This is nevermind and you’ve definitely got the wrong idea here wanting things to take from the comics =\= thinking all changes are bad and I’m definitely not only into 60s Spider-Man if you look back at what I said I even mentioned how I liked how his mellowing out was handled in the 90s and 00s and said I love spectacular despite its changes and if you like changes I don’t thats fine opinions exist and no one’s is necessarily right or wrong
I think the only one that really hated Spiderman PS4 was HuggBees, considering for some godforsaken reason he classifed it as being only slightly better than One More Day of all things. Like I get that he calls it overrated but starting off the OMD video with that is just criminal.
SK is a contrarian vocal minority and its better to just ignore him than give him attention by reacting. He's so insufferable.
Looking a his channel he’s seems to not like anything. He seems like he nitpicks everything into oblivion
Cinemasins 2
The Fisks/cops cut doesn't follow a normal timeline.
Spiderman arrives at the point of the truck hitting/a few moments after and joins in the fight instantly.
Half of the cutscene shows events before his arrival. It's a common trick in action movies. Even in literature and theatre.
People get mad when they make spiderman too different and get mad when its too similar 🤦♂️
Let’s not forget, this Peter Parker IS older, so his personality is bound to change.
Another great video man. I pretty much share the same sentiments as you for the most part. You actually made a point in this video that brought me back to a video idea you could do and that's ranking all of the original costumes designed by insomniac in both games. Just a fun suggestion I thought of. Keep up the good work!
Enemies that get sent flying off buildings get pulled by web to the building side. Can't quite explain spidy swinging their rockets to their faces tho. Those guys should be dead. full stop.
People hate on Spider-Man Ps4?! What’s wrong with those people?!
Falling from high places and taking damage or dying is a good point. Spider-Man 2 the game on PS2 and Xbox 360 had this and I think was one great detail.
The Whole Cutscene Part probably plays out while we are swinging there
SK's critique feels like mostly nitpicking, but the other one... I've felt something was missing from this iteration for a long time and they summed it up perfectly.
One thing I’ve noticed is that a lot of people complain about his attitude and personality, but I feel as though they forget that Peter has grown and matured a lot since he got his powers in this game. A lot of people tend to ignore the fact that this game is not a backstory, and only mentions Peter’s childhood when it has to. Much like MCU’s Spider-Man, we all know his backstory, so we should care more about his current adventure.
Well said. But I think my critique is that he just needs a little bit more crass and edge to his jokes and to his demeanour. Not all gloomy and edgy, but kind of like edge of time (they’re both similar ages with adult spidermen). The jokes are great in this game, but Peter just feels like he’s never really angry, with the exception of the finale (which everybody loves). Just a minor nitpick cause other than that hr is good. But the DLCs were quite bad story wise IMO. Everybody in that DLC is acting like a cartocature
@@aryan7767 I agree. I definitely think his personality could be a bit less lighthearted at times
You should do a tierlist of Spider-man PS4 suits!
This reminds me of old YT. Fair discussions.
Personally, I took that the long cut scene of the police being attacked by fisk being what happened leading up to your arrival to the scene to save the day.
The backpacks are fair immersion braking but he was sharing his feelings and why he doesn’t not at all agree why the game is not as good as the fan boys say it is.
Please don’t hate on SK at all. His video made my day and really did have me saying- Yeah… you got a point.
And your points got me saying- Yeah… you got good points too. Cool!
This isnt hate on his video, but i think its a bad video. He is way too nitpicky which makes the video way too long i only was able to get through forst thirty minutes because he’s explaining how spiderman is acting reckless and out of chatacter becausre he is beating kingpin down through levels of the building fir like ten minutes. I couldnt watch from there because it was just nitpicking the video. If he made a condensed video talking about main story beats and characters id watch it, but that video was really awful to watch
@@Drodz1030 Holy goddamn shit, no one knows what nitpicking means nowadays. A nitpick is a critique of minor and inconsequential details. Spider-Man being extremely ruthless against characters makes him look like a reckless asshole. It occurs during cutscenes which means it actually is canon. Character assassinations are not a minor problem. I fucking despise Spider-Man fanboys. They’re one of the most prideful, reprehensible, inept and obtuse fan bases to have ever graced god’s green earth, and maybe SK’s video on the game is 2hrs and 20mins for good reason. How the length of the video invalidate any criticisms constructed?
@@MistahJ1940 What a stupid comment from you.
I actually really agree with the points the first guy said, and with what you said in the beginning. The next game will probably fix most of those issues though, judging by what they've shown and said about it so far.
The way I look at that truck scene in the beginning of the game is that those are seconds before Spidey actually gets there and when he takes the guns is when he got to Times Square.
My only problems with this game are a few story elements:
•Peter doesn't behave like he's experienced
•EVERYTHING about MJ
•The first dlc is POINTLESS and Destroys Black Cat's character development that she COULD of had...while also throwing away what couldve been the MOST UNIQUE Spider-Man story IN AGES with Peter and Felicia having a son
Spider-Man is by far my favorite character of all time, but I like to see the subtle differences between the versions of Peter. I don't think we will ever see Spidey come across in full as he did in the books but I'm good w pretty much all of them. I did dislike the version in ultimate Spider-Man
The cartoon or the video game?
@@teamtx1578 or the comic (which is admittedly the same as the game)?
Neverland is just being a baby who can’t handle the idea that the Spider-Man we got isn’t the Spider-Man he wanted
You said something about a tier list for the suits and now I need you to make a video ranking the suits in this game. And you could do a quick section for miles suits since he doesn't have that many in his game.
This still is one my favorite games of all time.
I feel like the start cutscene of the game can be easily explained as it takes place during the time peter swings toward the scene
I completely agree with the first guy. Peter's portrayed personality has been my biggest issue with this game since the launch. Unfortunately the hype surrounding this game due to the refreshing quality has shushed its criticism, but I believe that aside from Peter just being too much of "just a good person" and having taken away some of his general arrogance and insulting demeanor towards his enemies, I think most characters are depicted as being unrealistically "do-gooders" or plain victims of circumstance, as if no one could ever be faulted of anything, unless you're the bad guy. Besides that, the suits the game wants you to play with throughout the story are unnecessary redesigns for an already perfect and iconic outfit. This is my criticism, however, all aspects surrounding gameplay and the game's graphics were excellent.
Edit: I have a special bone to pick with MJ's portrayal. It's part of the modern trend of subverting her character into a more independent and strong headed demeanor. MJ is not Lois Lane, she doesn't need to be. MJ is a fun, loving, flirty party girl who's there by Peter's side to support him when he needs it the most, and that's all she needs to be for it to work. If you make her Lois Lane, the Peter, MJ dynamic doesn't work, doesn't seem like they have any chemistry or ever be a couple in the first place. I think it's part of the unflattering decisions and direction the narrative of this game chose to take.
its nothing wrong with ps4 spiderman having his own unique suit tho like every other spiderman
You're damn right!
5:33 he doesn’t throw them off buildings or out of cars to hit the ground, he webs them to walls while they are falling so they dont die and dont escape, its pretty dumb but thats how it is in the game you can see for yourself
1:21 "For me, it all started on Twitter..."
Oh god
Most of the enemies that spiderman throws end up webbed to the side of a building
I definitely agree with the criticism about Peter's humor. It honestly gives some MCU vibes. I do, however, like Miles, especially replaying the city that never sleeps DLC after Miles Morales and seeing how much he grows up that year. It makes me really excited for the story potential of Miles seeing a darker side of Peter in the next game.
The biggest issue is wallcrawling being broken and you can't wallrun down buildings. Apart from that it's really good^^
the quips peter makes sometimes in the game are more like dad jokes when they should be insults
Me and my brother both love Spider-Man as a character and was the first superhero we were exposed to. Me and my dad went half/half on a pre-order copy of this game for my brother's birthday and I myself sprung for the digital Deluxe Edition and Me and him both greatly enjoyed our time with it. It reminded me when I was six years old playing the neversoft games and receiving the Spiderman 2 movie tie in game for GameCube that Christmas (which I was confused because we didn't have a GameCube but that was another wrapped present)
I’d love to see your take on spectacular Spider-Man from the 2000’s show, legendary shit probably my favorite spider man show ever
I think sometimes it's fun to nitpick a video games logic, but only as a way to get a laugh, not as valid criticism. Like many of Spider-man's attacks, like that brutal uppercut that launches enemies into the air, would kill them. The backpacks are obviously unrealistic, not only because it reveals his identity, but because of how silly it is that he forgot all these when he specifically placed trackers on them. But neither of these makes the game bad because these things makes the game more fun. I love this game and it's by far my favorite superhero game. I can understand why some may not like the personality of this Peter, or MJ placing herself in danger and whatnot, but I had no problem with either of these things. This is my favorite version of Peter. I liked his extreme friendliness and dad jokes.
I'm curious about how the new game is gonna expand venom character, if im not mistaken the post credit scene show us that norman is trying to cure Harry with a symbiote, correct me if im wrong
I love the game but the writing could be alot better for MJ, tbh i took intro seen with the police was fine, in my point of view I thought it was happening while you were web-slinging to the objective. Don't get me started on the shallow ass stealth, glad they done a lot more with it in Miles Morales. For the killing it's visual flavour, to have these over the top bombastic move's, I mean you could say that for almost any Spider-Man game, are we going to say riping boulders and Chucks swinging the around hitting people (amazing Spider-Man shattered demotions) or beating the crap out of some one and turning there face into a make shift skateboard (web of shadows) heck in the classic ps1 games you knock bad guy off the side of buildings fallen to there death, at least 2018 has that little web thing to catch them on there way down, and out all the collectables there just fun Easter egg, I'd rather them than just a 2300 of spider symbol from web of shows, heck I love the amazing Spider-Man game collectables because you can get full issues to read, an they have ti be none cannon unless someone writing spider man comics in its universe. Let start Team 3 it's a great foundation for a starting point let's hope the improve an build upon it. Sorry for the long ass text lol.
Well cant you assume that the reason he gets there so late to save the cops is bacause the cutscene in the timeline happens at the same time youre swinging? As simple as that, and then his appearance is a few seconds after he reaches the 100 meters, they overlap basically
SK thinks Spectacular Spider-Man is bad.
That's all you need to know about the guy to know he's full of shit.
I bet he likes Tom Holland's Spider-Man.
@@bakedbeans5494 Ngl, I think he hates almost all version of Spider-Man that aren't pre OMD Peter, Raimiverse Peter and TAS Peter.
@@struggler6864 Yeah.
Insomniac Spider-Man definitely killed people in that prison break level
I think it's a great game but has some problems with combat scaling especially when you rack up the difficulty
Imo nah
You are my hero. Thank you for explaining all my counter arguments for these criticisms. Subscribed.
God, this video explained all my problems with Spider-Man PS4 AND problems with criticism of the game in a way I very much couldn’t. Fantastic job, looking forward to the next video.
You hella simpin in the live chat bro..
@@SlanderMan6969 LMAO
"Incredible take, you dropped your crown king"
@@SlanderMan6969 the man makes good points, what can I say
Also I had like just woken up so I was being stupider than usual
I disagree. I think my cat would totally survive. He’s a fuckin beast.
I think that the cutscene when Peter saved the cops takes place before we get put into the cutscene
As my first time playing this game I thoroughly enjoyed it, I'll admit the villains could have add seperate or longer arcs I just felt the jump to Otto's final scene was like wait were here already?
Otherwise the combat being clunky maybe because PC lol.
I definitely think this game was really enjoyable I also feel the first cutscene was more like timed wrong maybe it like he swung in as we swung is how I took it like he wasn't there yet idk
I'm absolutely adoring the game, playing on PC for a few days now
I'm currently replaying it on my broken ass computer, I'm having a amazing experience.
that is peter after 10YEARS of experience cant really expect him to behave like is high school self
Showing the Hi-Top video at the beginning of the video was hilarious.
Just a bunch of nitpicks 😂🤣😂🤣😂😂😂😂😂
And “you either think the game is perfect, or its dogsh%t”
No in between cause then he won’t have a catchy title for the vid
its also VERY OBVIOUS that the cutscene that took place with the thugs and cops was taking place whilst you were webswinging there, the fact he called it out was incredibly obviously nitpicking for no reason
Nah, it’s fine. Insomniac should do what they do best. That guy is clearly craving for likes.
I notice a lot of this videos popping out after the announcement/release of the game on PC
Your gonna get big one day
Unpopular opinion: I think spider-man 2 shouldn't be even less accurate to the comics than the 1st game. All the comic accuracy shit is getting annoying and tiresome. I want some COMPLETELY new shit in the next game, and all the things that aren't like the comics in Insomniacs game make Spider-man more likeable.
I was about to comment about the S.K. before you mentioned him lol
idk a movie where Peter swings around and collects 50 backpacks would be a great time
I'm so glad this didn't become drama
Thanks for always being the guy that says the things I'm too scared to.
The red being orange on the spiderman suit was a technical issue, you can't really judge them
I still stand by that Marvel's Spider-Man is the definitive Spider-Man game to play. Others are great too, but as a whole experience it's that game
very very gooood, thaaankss maan
Bro, you forgot the hyphen in the title
My only complaint is the unnecessary lines and modern segmenting patterns on all of the suits it's basically Insomniac's version of the alternate suits and not how they are. The perfect example of keeping the suits the way they are with slight tweaks is all of the Shattered Dimensions alternate suits, all of them are perfect because they were little to no changes to how the alternate costumes look.
I think Spider-man 2018 is a better name for this game than Spider-man PS4, especially considering the fact it's not exclusive anymore, and I'm not talking about it coming to PS5, but rather PC
4:55
Browntable: "because he's the god-damn spiderman "
Having just played this game for the first time (due to it just coming out on pc as of this writing) and having not played every spider man video game (cus money) I can honestly say Insomniac's Spider-man is the best Spider-man game I have ever played, and I'm loving it.
The worst part about the game is when you are forced to take off the suit. I don’t mind the Otto segments, but the miles and MJ ones are so boring I always skip them.
There is no perfect game. It doesn’t exist
Yep, so it's up to people's opinions.
You went from 23k to 22k..
The thing about Spidey Valuing MJ over the others in the train station, It's realistic that Peter would wanna you know save his girlfriend from the middle of danger instead of risking her die. Like I can't imagine someone in real life being a superhero and just saying they'd save everyone before worrying about what happened to their girlfriend. While it's the wrong thing to do it's also kinda realistic and gives a flaw to Peter that he has to over come later when he's about to use the cure on May.
Considering this is Peter in his eighth year as Spider-Man, he should have already grown out of this selfishness years ago.
@@MistahJ1940 Spider-Man or not he's still a human being and no human is completely selfless.
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