Your Comments Saved Me!
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ต.ค. 2024
- Check out the NMCA Race where the Boost Surge problem was happening - • I Call Out The FASTEST...
Also here is the video where I was originally thinking the placement of the boost gate would be - • INSANE Design Turbos A...
SME Merch! www.stevemorri...
To Become a Channel Member - / stevemorrisracing
![ตีสิบเดย์ [FULL] | เปิดใจ "อาจารย์ เบียร์ ฅนตื่นธรรม" นักสนทนาธรรมสายดุดัน!](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/vqaBI_mnoDk/mqdefault.jpg)
" If you're alive, you should still be learning things"
words of a smart man.
facts
''WAIT.....WAIT.....I JUST FIGURED IT ALL OUT''
This is going on my tombstone.
"The day you stop learning is the day the undertaker nails the lid shut..."
Couldn’t agree more with you and him.
@@petert3355I’m 71 and I’m learning more now than I ever did
He definitely reads the comments. I once asked why he drives from the back seat and he made a whole video about it. 😂
Brings a new meaning to back seat driving 🤣
yes he does, i asked about downforce from the bullhorns, and soon after, a video on it.
@@leftyo9589how about up force from farts
@N0RCO114 that one is obvious...so Val can't tell him what he's doing wrong!
He does but alot of people need to understand every time a creator replies to a viewer, they put themselves at risk of controversy. "why did he reply to you? Why didnt he reply to me? Hes fake! He's got fake subscribers!" Blah blah blah. Its just safer to read them and act accordingly, keep their mouth shut.
A man on this level who can stop, think and then admit he’s wrong, says a LOT.
This is what gets a man to that level.
@@Seabass901 "Yeah, kick is ass, Seabass!"
FACTS bro.
Humble Pie, we all eat it at some point.
@@mistabone3899 Nothing wrong with being wrong. It happens to everyone from time to time or to some on a daily basis. The only way to never be wrong is to never do anything.
Props to Steve. I love the fact that this video starts with a full on; "I was wrong, and here's why", completely owns it and even apologizes! Never change Steve. Keep learning... but never change!
Thats the sign of a man that IS still learing, he wants to know when he is wrong about something so he can fix it...
Even in a youtube comment section, there are usually a couple of people who actually know something. The hard part is sifting through all the dross to get to the pure alloy.
Exactly.
Even then it is a brain storm, as some times you are stuck and just need an idea from a different angle.
Dross? You’ve worked for a Smelter before possibly? Maintenance electrician at an ALCOA smelter in a past life.
@@4113N5 Small fab shop and foundry. One of my first jobs was pouring aluminum into molds for making conveyor roller stands
@@ManiacRacing you don’t know what you’re talking about!!! Just kidding, I know exactly what your talking about. This method works pretty good for reading through reviews too.
Steve is the most honest engine builder in the game !!
He is very straightforward, but there's other engine builders out there just as straight forward with their clients. It is just unfortunate that we don't have every engine builder in the game being straight forward.
@@jasonstormoen you won’t have many that willingly tells you that they was wrong and now they solved the problem
@@Dynomite-performance That is why I said it's unfortunate that we don't have more at the end of my comment because I know a lot of engine builders, but other than Steve, I can only name 3 and 1 cylinder head porter that are upfront.
He knows nothing in racing is typical. He's not afraid to fail, just makes good content when it does..
@@Peewee0413 In life... and racing... we learn the most from our failures... 🤔
Now you're venturing into Gale Banks territory. Air density air density air density
Now THAT would be an interesting collaboration!
Exactly. By bleeding of boost like that you are forcing the turbos out of there efficiency range!
If that happens that monstrous engine would then be able to power the world
Air hecking density
I’d like to be a fly on the wall with Steve and Gale in the same room.
Prime example of why I am a channel member. The best people to learn from are at the top of their field and still learning. Thanks as always
Plus. I try to answer you guys directly😁
@@stevemorrisracing I learn from u ever video u make so I don't get hurrt or I learn things I did not know about
I love the fact that you own your faults and tell us about it, so we don't make the same faults!
Let's just appreciate the honesty here. Not only does Steve read the comments, he is the engine builder yet is honest enough to admit when he got it wrong. That is worth a ton!!!
One of your videos saved me, from searching forever what the problem is. I did fight with my motorcycle nearly 10 years and could not figure out what was wrong.
Everytime i did drive it, it hang at 6000 rpm. The higher the load the worse it did get. The mixture seemed to be to fat. But it cant be, because everything is original.
i cleaned 5 times the carbs myself. 4 times let it do it from professional shops. Put many new parts in them. Leak tested the whole inlets. Tested compression. Tested valve lash. Tested camshaft timings. Measured the ignition parts with multimeter. New original airfilter. Three different exhaust, because the og one was rotted. Nothing did help.
Then i saw a video, where your drag and drive was on the dyno and you talked about that you take out timing, before your engine hits the revlimiter. So that it does not hit as hard. And thats why your AFR was at that spot fat. IT HIT my like a freight train. The CDI lost the ignition curve from the factory and was at emergency operation. Since you can't test the ignition timing with a strobe light, because the whole thing would spray oil everywhere, i could never test that. Particularly not at high rpm's. I bought another CDI... Now it works.
also you need to make sure you have it tuned to the exhaust you have
@@ghost.of.aleksz.salad. The Problem is that the exhaust has more flow then the og one and should not cause the mixture to get fatter. It should go leaner.
I built myself a AFR meter with Innovatec parts to test it in a few days. Funny thing is with the og exhaust those Motorcycles run, according to statement of a tuner, near 12. So they run pretty fat from the factory.
And many exhausts legal for my country street use make it worse. So i did let a professional build me one. Pretty expensiv.
But she did run way better then any other i drove before. But still hang on 6000rpm.
We will see in a few days if the AFR goes more to the preferred AFR 12,94 aka Lambda 0,88 for natural aspirated engines.
If not, there are still the Dynojet (stage 1) kits i have experience with. I also will make a dyno run down the line. But in my country nearly no one makes carb tuning anymore.
I pray my bike doesn't need a new cdi and only new carbs. Definitely shouldn't have bought a vintage as a first bike. Parts are rare.
Make sure the fueltech guys also program in a blowoff valve function for those E gates when you let off since you're removing the original BOV's.
You're never to old or experienced to learn something. Gotta love Steve for showing great example like this
The day ain't done till ya learn a thing or two.
"If you are alive, you better still be learnin' stuff. Period."
Truer words have never been spoken. If you THINK you already know everything, it's impossible to learn.
Hey mate, Design engineer here from Australia, I have done something similar as your first idea however i used a BRZ drive by wire throttle body (70mm) in the intake manifold that actually ran off a DBW potentiometer on the throttle pedal along side the cable throttle. This added the redundancy required (as they use the twin feedbacks) so it wouldn't get stuck open as they have a fail safe (closed). The boost control was then programmed into the DBW map with thresholds.
I was thinking similar. He could have used a third throttle body as an electronic BOV, since that's what the Boostgates are. That way he would have the failsafe modes available.
Holy smokes what a great solution. You Aussies are awesome gearheads !
G’day from Australia Steve! I am a retired Licensed Aircraft Maintenance Engineer. Licenced on a heap of Boeing Aircraft. I love your Channel!
Go and search Pratt & Whitney JT9D Bleed Sysyems. The original engine would not run as it had too much air pushing through the Compressor (a Turbo Jet Engine is just a big “Turbo”). So P&W had to build Bleed systems to make it run. Start Bleeds, Surge Bleeds, Reverse Actuated Bleeds, etc. Same problem you are having. These are very old Engines from the ‘60’s. But very reliable (even though the leaked oil everywhere! Ha!). I have learned a stack from you, so go have a read & you may uncover info that will take your knowledge up a few notches as well. Knowledge is Power!! Cheers & keep up the good work!
Freddy!
Super cool video!
Every single person continues to learn, if they simply listen.
Great video SME!!
I love that you are humble enough to say outloud someone helped you . Probably a reason I watch your channel and not really a fan of race cars. I do however love the paint job on the wagon!
Just to keep the system simple:
1 keep wastegates on the turbo(keeps a free flowing exhaust vs capped off)
2 keep vacuum operated blow off valves( when coming off a pull, vacuum operates the blowoffs and dumps turbo pressure)
3 use two Boostgates before the throttle bodies.( creates a controlled boost leak when you want it and stay seperate from throttle action and blow off action)
This allows you to focus on controlling your targeted boost pressure using the Boostgate thus creating a controlled boost leak and stop surging.
Very well said and thought out. You went a bit further than my comment.
Would that surging frequency be the pressure wave be ressonate frequency between the turbo cold side to the engine valve port and back to the turbo cold side blades bit like the standing wave you get on motorway when you have everyone breaking , I wonder if you shorten the intake, would solve it ? Or you have cups inside the intake bit like a sound suppressor disks, as a question ?
@@jameshackett9992 Just adding the outlet e-gate will change the resonance - using the gate to 'throttle" the air charge mass on the two step - make the same boost with less total flow into the motor and then ramp the gates closed at launch when the motor can use the full flow available.
They don’t use a vacuum operated blow off valve. Co2 commands waste gate to shut, and removal allows to open. Adding in extra gates/blow offs always allow an extra boost leak. The whole point of using 2 gates pre TB is because of the resolution of a large single one. His issue is the resolution, and ability of the system to self regulate. It builds, commands to relieve, and instantly has to build again to catch up. It’s a constant start stop. Using two smaller E gates allow finer control of that valve to catch up quicker.
@@dahorseman2654 couldn't this also be a limit of the CO2 gates compared to the electronic units? IIRC, Rob Dahm uses electronic gates on his 3- and 4-rotor, because he, too, had boost surge, and the e-gates allow for much more fine-grained control of the boost pressure, being that they can go to any position virtually instantaneously
I was one of the ones that talked about the straight gate not being good in the intake. Glad you listened. Sad when you call pros and they didn't catch it if you were in a hurry you could've already done it before you got the info not to do it. Good luck on the build. Good luck on the dual plug BBC heads that would be killer on some of the BBC dragsters and even cooler about the sxs stuff. Those engines rock hard
Steve, I appreciate your honesty. It takes a lot to step up and own a mistake, let alone an honest one. You could've just easily explained it away but took on the criticisms and thought, "Maybe I'm missing something."
It's a good trait to have and one of the many reasons why I love watching your videos.
Keep up the great work.
wisdom is the lightest load to carry and all of us has something to learn , Thank for a intresting channal and good entertainment for an old Norwegian livin in the jungel in south thailand 🙂
Just wanted to say I Love your videos!! I’m a disabled auto tech of 35 years and I miss this kind of talk!! And I DO LEARN something from your videos!! Keep them coming!
I came from the Cletus colab' but stayed for Steve!!! Just keep doing you!
This is why your channel does so well out of all the other engine building channels out there... It's because you're humble enough to admit when you're wrong about something and that is almost non-existent in this industry... Everybody is so scared about honesty and telling the truth they'd rather lie until they're blue in the face then admit they made a mistake or something happened... Respect is earned can you have earned my respect more than once through your honesty
Steve is probably one of my favorite people, everyday I try to learn something new or teach someone else something new, never stop learning or teaching.
The fact you have viewers that know this much about motors should tell you that you have the correct audience
This is why we love you and your channel Steve you man enough to admit when you do something wrong or make a mistake and give credit where it due
Did not see any snowmobile/sideXside engine content coming from this channel but im pumped for it!
Watching you problem solve is always a joy. Love that you always share when things work or don't, and the process that went into both!
Found you through Garrett but I just enjoy hanging out at the shop with you listening to all the stuff you're working on or dealing with.
Too bad more people don't feel the same.
Mullet is at home with the OG Big Block. SMX experiment may have failed but the car has definitely had improvements along the way
I too came from Cleetus but stayed to enjoy hanging with you. Why? Because of exactly what Steve said. I learn stuff here. Too bad I'm not a racer anymore but still soak this stuff up.
I like the fast cars, but i love the nerdy ramblings. I'm here for it. You're like the automotive Mike Patey
Always learning on your channel its one of my favorites
One of my favorite channels!
You see, we care about your wallet and safety, we don't care about Cleetus's wallet however we do care about his safety. Lol have fun man, you always seem humble and a happy go lucky dude. Rock on my guy.
Lol no one cares about Cleets wallet 😂
Na we do. We want to see all youtubers succeed
😂😂
Hi Steve they make less hp because using the exhaust to generate drive pressure necessitates the engine experience backpressure to generate that drive pressure on the turbine when the wastegate is closed to spin up the turbine. So when you generate boost, you use backpressure to do so, which induces pumping losses on the engine. If you're not using that boost and simply venting it, you will make less HP measured at the wheels even though you're burning the same amount of fuel because the engine has to pump harder to remove exhaust gasses due to the restriction imposed by the turbine wheel which is required to make the turbine drive pressure to drive the compressor. So you never want to make more boost than you need. Huge fan and happy I can help in some way.
Never have I seen someone admit to the comment section
I learn weekly from you...thanks
i've seen it on few channels over the years.
like look it's one of the things how they respond to them being wrong that tells if they're right for the game or not. the ones who can't handle messing up quit or people get fed up with them and they'll go on a downward fail-spiral. though if you get to enough money and make clickbaity things enough you can still eke out a successful existence despite being wrong all the time and refusing to listen advice on what to read like b is for build (maybe it's their secret for audience interaction, but every build is cool on paper ruined by something they were told about 10000 times).
I'm glad the message about adding a 3rd throttle body to atmosphere being a problem got through :)
I'm really enjoying this channel!
A 900hp 3 cylinder is insane!
What's more impressive Is the fact that it looks to be an open deck block? And four head bolts per cylinder clamping force
Imagine that in something like a lotus elise.
But for how long?
Nobody shares this kind of knowledge.. it's immeasurable, the reason SM has such loyal customers
Steve, I thought that thing in your hand is a coffee cup. See what I know?
Cup holder
One of the reasons I love this channel are videos like this! Professional and honest about his work with the people he teaches
I’m excited to see the testing when you get this going!
So it's a computer controlled blow off valve. Basically allowing the turbo to run at full speed and generate full boost before launch
Love how you let us all know. Thank you. Also the new Video for Vals Car is up. It looks so mean with the SMX in it. Thank you for all you do and teach us. Have a safe and great weekend SME and Family
If you’re alive….. you should be learning something!!! Nuff said!💪🏼💪🏼. Which is why I watch and listen to EVERYTHING you have to say. Best subscription ever!!!!!
16:18
"Yo I heard you are doing a motor swap in your car to get that big horse power"
"Yeah new 3 cylinder dood"
I was gonna say they should bolt right where the old BOV went. Nice! You could also have used one large gat with tubes from each intake tube connecting to it in a Y. That would have been much more complicated and harder to package though. My theory of these Boostgates was to basically treat them like mini throttle bodies that bleed off extra boost as needed. I had thought a lot about how it would work to use them for boost control alone. My basic issues were yes it would essentially create a big boost leak, causing higher turbo RPM for less power, and also heating all the air and generating more heat and exhaust pressure. Glad I was making sense. Thanks for the informative video!
You need to reference the banks cubic foot of are sealed container video it's the best way I've ever found to explain to people why hot air is Bad Air
Steve, before I retired I had the job of tuning a huge centrifugal air pump (6 ft in diameter) this was all automated and included several PID algorithms to produce limited heat and a variable output. As I remember we controlled the incoming air (with a butterfly valve) so as to prevent the wheel from filling the individual buckets with air. If the buckets are full and the blades are forced to slip due to limiting the output this is a heat source. We did have a VFD on the motor as well and used blowoff valves to provide cold air without an after-cooler. I think your engineering and design is going to prove out for the best. Keep us informed on your tuning profile!!
My grandfather used to tell me that a day without learning anything was not worth living.
Hey Steve,
Tim here, what a GREAT info vid.....i'm an NA Guy, but ALWAYS want to learn (as u said)....SUPER cool to have you explain whats happening in the wagon motor......see??...u aint to proud to learn!!.... i NEVER wanna stop learning until our savior calls me.....i thoroughly enjoyed it sir!!!....PEACE to u!!
WHERE IS MY SHARE OF THE BACON YOU SAVED?😁
This guy is pure legend, not just for the engines now. Humble is the word. Great video Steve.
Haha. Funny that when I saw where you were gonna put that boost gate I immediately thought.... Uh won't that be a huge vacuum leak when the throttle bodies close? ....Oh well Im sure that Steve knows what he's doing 🤣🤣🤣
I'm most impressed by people who can swallow their pride admit they were wrong and learn from mistakes. These days it seems very rare for people to have the capability to do that. Well done Steve, you're an inspiration.
Hot off the presses
@steve love how humble you are. It’s inspiring.
Tell your dog I said pspspsp
Creep
@@7275vrt 🤣🤣🤣
Steve, Thank you. I may never be a drag racer or deal with any of what you are talking about, but just straight out being the man that you are is the reason I watch your channel. This is the route that all parents need to teach their kids. Always learn, be willing to make mistakes and own the mistake when it happens. Thank You and I hope you always get what you are after in life.
There ain’t a better TH-camr that sits there and explains everything out to the viewers. Appreciate the knowledge keep it up
I want to see more about that side-by-side engine that is gonna be awesome. I love the other stuff too though keep up the good work, man.
You can tell Steve loves when he figures out something or learns something new he’s all giddy and can’t wait to come tell us. Any of that love what we do, know the feeling😁
I luv ya Steeve! I really enjoy learning from you, I don't even have a hotrod any more, but I love this stuff!
This is a very humble thing you are doing. Love to see it. I don't know anything about the complexities of this set up, maybe not the basics either...
I guess it's just good to show people that as much as you know, it's always a good thing to go and talk to other people and see what they think and can input to the problem at hand.
Also, as a teacher, I tell kids all the time that you never stop learning. An openness to more learning is a good thing.
Thanks Steve, you should see the many different vehicles rotax engines are used in. From snowmobiles, aircraft, motorcycles, Personal watercraft, Off-road vehicles and even in go karting...
I always look forward to watching your videos. Even though I’m not a racer, I love to learn from guys like you!
Steve you are a very smart guy and a big part of that is knowing when to listen to others,and always have an open mind. And you do all that and thats why I watch. Love what you do and keep pushing the boundaries. God Bless you🙏👍👍👍
This is awesome!! Thanks for the update, Steve. I really wish everyone could admit when we are wrong and have an open mind to listen to what others have to say. Overall, LEARN!
Steve, THIS is why your channel is growing... You put it all put there, and do it with Humility and grace! Admitting your wrong is a huge thing!
Definitely some interesting content coming from you guys! Thanks for mixing up the different aspects and parts
Steve definitely is the most transparent high level person we we will watch on you tube! Great guy!!
One of the best qualities a person can have is being able to admit you were wrong publicly, cheers Steve.
I appreciate the humility. Steve always puts it out there when he's wrong or messed up. That's a rare quality and it's good to see
This is why we love your videos, Steve. We all learn something and we get to see humility in action. Thanks for all the knowledge you share!
Love the videos, Steve! I thoroughly enjoy all the technical info that you give in your videos. Keep it up!
I appreciate the knowledge gained by watching yours and Kyle’s videos. You guys have saved me from a lot of bad choices in my setup. I relate to Kyle’s car more but your knowledge and explanation is awesome. Thanks for all the help
Steve is a great teacher . He is not that full of himself that he is not scared of listening to all us out here just being students, and learning a thing or two about engines .
I smart man admits his mistakes and learns from others. Tons of respect for doing that publicly
You dug rite into that humble pie like a champ. Love your content.
So cool. Keep innovating. Good luck with that boost control.
Very interesting information that makes sense. Great catch on the potentially wide open air leak and a runaway car. Thanks Steve, great stuff as always.
Jesus Steve …I’m impressed that your taking some of our little peoples comments seriously …👍
The evolution of drag cars is simply amazing. Taking to the other race vehicles is mo betta! Keep up the great work Steve! As Always, May God Bless you and yours! 😇
Always be open to new ideas! Many years ago I was modding a 4.3L Chevy V8 for my Monza. Pro engine builders told me the combination of cam, carb, intake, heads, etc. simply wouldn't run at all or not run very well if it DID run! Carb tuning was kinda tricky (without going into details) but not only DID it run, it ran like a raped ape! Engine went 100,000 miles before I took it out to put a built 350 in the car. All it did was a little stem seal (I think) smoke. I still have it in my "shop" and plan to tear it down and inspect it one of these days... 🤔
I watched nre. All the time , discovered your channel and enjoy your channel so much. , info galore , and sir ypur humble approach speaks volumes …. Truly a master of your craft …. And any one would be proud to run your engineering …..period
Always interesting videos! I don’t have cars or engines to play with, but enjoy the mechanical aspect of racing and how everything works together. Thanks Steve
I enjoy the videos of your shop and skills. I only wish I had worked in a machine shop over my lifetime.
When I use to work for Dart in Canada way back in the day we were developing heads and block based off a big block chevy for Orenda aircraft that used 2 spark plugs per cylinder.
Might look to coming up with a strategy to open the blow offs when the throttles close to relieve the boost pressure surge and retain compressor speed, so boost can come back in quicker, like if y’all had to pedal it.
Mad respect for this man. This is why he’s successful. He’s humble and honest. Very level headed not too proud to listen to people
This is why you are so brilliant. you aren't locked into what you have learned and are always open to relearn and learn more. this is what makes an artisan.
Steve, Good to know that you are still using that juicy brain and are willing to listen to some of us viewers.
Lots of us have had our fair share of little mishaps and breakages and are eager to share our experience in hopes to save others the time and hassles of experiencing the issue for your self.
Wise I could come over to the USA and see one of your engines in person. It's just a long swim from here in Australia.
First time watcher, but you seem to be a great teacher. Best way to learn, is by making mistakes. Like the old saying goes, "If you're burnin', you're learnin'!"
Steve, I’ll admit this tech stuff is above my pay grade of knowledge. How I wish I could actively apply these techniques! However you are making my head explode,,,, so much fun I can’t wait till you get this powering down the track! Love it!
I also found you through Garrett 2 or 3 years ago, and I don't think I've missed a single video since. I'm 57 years old and love learning new things.
Steve... usually always learn & enjoy from your videos! This video: I really enjoyed/ really learned & loved this video sir! Really loved it!!! Thanx you, J
900 horse power from 3 cylinder 😮 thanks for sharing, all the best to you and your loved ones
Great video. Love the tech ideas.
I love the tech going on here. The only issue I can foresee is having an inrush of air after the E Gate closes causing a huge spike in boost pressure. Hopefully the PID / boost control strategy is quick enough to flatten the line. Or you can gradually / linearly close the E Gate based on RPM so that your Wastegates don’t have to do all of the work. Thanks for the great content Steve. Big fan from Ontario