Toe hang is a manifestation of putter head CG position relative to the shaft axis. More toe hang = higher MOI about the rotational axis of the putter shaft. The face balanced putter is “easier” to manipulate open and closed, just like playing a small bladed iron, due to the reduced MOI about the shaft axis. The opposite for the del mar. Of course we are talking about small margins here so the player can easily close and open any putter face, but they are certainly different from a physics perspective. Would be happy to expand or discuss further if there’s interest!
You all need to check out the Edel videos on putters. The influence of head shapes, lines, grips on aim. And weighting it correctly to get the right speed control. So some but kinda mindblowing
Most people will learn to putt with any putter if they like the look and feel. Personally, I have had lots of different putters through the years, and maybe because I'm not that good or just that I'm stubborn I have had different putting strokes that matched the feel and feedback I was getting from each other the putters at the time
Interesting but you didn’t mention the effect of putter length and lie. I just went for a fitting on the SAM putt lab and went from a 35” face balanced spider mallet thicker grip with 4 deg loft and 69 deg of lie to a 33.5” Sik Flo C standard grip with plumbers neck 45 deg toe hang 1.5 deg loft and 73 deg lie. I liked the swing weight (F10 415g lower CG) over the Scotty Camerons. For me the putter length seemed to affect everything else. I really wanted a Scotty blade but the data said otherwise. This was a major change but I was compensating for the length of the Spider which led to inconsistency in my putting. I won’t have my new Sik for a couple more weeks so won’t know real on course results until then. Putter fitting is a neglected part of club fitting so keep exploring this on the channel. I am also trying to improve my putting skills and wanted to take the putter out of the equation. Cheers!
I've never had a putter fitting, I can tell with in 3 or 4 puts if I like it. I've got both types of putter & I alternate them, they all work fine. I won't be having any fittings, I trust myself to find a putter that works & I like the way it looks.
Wise words Dan. Putters are such a 'looks' and 'feel' purchase. I've been told at a fitting in the past that I need a face balanced putter because of my swing, however, I don't like the look of them and put well with toe hang putters. It's all madness....
I'll be getting a newport 2.5 special select, I'm an 18 handicap. I genuinely do not care if it's not suited to me immediately, I get the one I want. If I need to make it work I'm happy to do that haha I just always wanted to have that classic style of of Scotty. I don't think I'm alone. love the content guys, keep it up 💪
Hi Aidan, I'm the same as you . I've had a Scotty circa 62 blade putter for over 10yrs,and play off 19. .....If you love the look of a certain putter,you will soon get the feel of it!👍 Certain putters are for better golfers????.....Not true!!
I play a different putter every week and when I change, after a few putts I'm happy to go. Good work on this video! I've felt the whole toe-hang vs face-balanced thing was a load of rubbish for ages. To me a putter is a CoG on the end of the stick, line the CoG up with the ball and swing the putter.
Ping anser putters used them for years slight toe hang..tbh I just like that style putter not busy nice and simple ..found with mallets I pulled putts👍👍
First decent putter I bought was from American Golf. A random bag of putters on a false green to try. The first one I picked I holed out 3 times in a row and used it for the next 20 years. My son bought me an odyssey this year or it would still be in the bag. (My very first putter was a banana shaped lump of brass on a stick and it worked very well).
From my small foray into putters I think the grip is more important than the design. I’ve got from a ping pp59 grip to a super stroke 3 and I think it’s made a massive difference. I’d like to see a grip change video to see if you get the same.
I played a Ping Anser 2 for a long time but was struggling with putting & went for a fitting, this resulted in a change to a face balanced putter. With the Ping, strike was consistent but toward the heel, with face balanced putters, strike has the same consistency but a more central location.
Interesting although not sure that straight back straight through exists there is always some arc to a stroke. Would be interested in a comparison with a torque balanced putter as well.
I play a toe hang. Ping Anser 2x It is an Anser with a longer neck than a regular Anser. It doesn't toe hang as much as a regular Anser. It is about halfway between a face balanced and a full toe hang.
Dan, how about just before the shop opens again you get Lester to give us a guided tour to let us see all the new gear available on the shelves waiting for the golf hordes around the country to buy ! I am sure there are others like me eager to see what might catch our eye. Lester being a feel player is the butt of the jokes but being a plus handicap golfer, the skills don't lie !
Only had 3 putters my whole golflife (30+ years). Just bought the Odyssey Marxman S, last summer strictly on feel and looks, and it has not disappointed me. Usually a pretty decent putter and has never been the putting that ruined my rounds.
I tended to pull putts, I had a slight-toe hang Bettinardi (15°). I did a SAM putter fit and found that I have an arc and needed a 30°-45° toe hang putter. I now have an Odyssey StrokeLab 7 with a 35° hang and it is now point and shoot.
James always comes across well on these putter vlogs, calm and knowledgeable. Mint to see Lester back, hope you and your family are doing well. Cracking, interesting content this. 👍
Well done. This is the first time I have ever seen an experiment to prove/disprove the theory on toe hang vs face balance and it is also massively overdue. Personally I have never believed the marketing dialogue surrounding the subject because it simply doesn't make sense - No matter how many times I hear it, it doesn't make it the case.👍👍👍
I was once told that the best putter for an individual is the one that they can line up square to start and return to square at impact ignoring whether it should fit a certain stroke or not.
Nice video, greatly enjoyed Lester’s expressions, absolutely priceless. As for me, I have been using the same Dunlop putter for 25 years, the handle is held together with plastic tape, I average 28 putts a round and play off 4 handicap. The putter works well for me and I see no reason to change. I pay no attention to what the makers say at all.
Love it! Outside of your course vlogs, this has to be one of the best videos you’ve posted. Thanks for this...I’ve been noticing contradictions to company claims a lot and kept quiet about it. Everyone should see this video
Thanks for the great video on this topic. I own an assortment of putters and I find I can putt well (or bad) with any style. I have used toe hang blades, anser style, and face balanced mallets with equal success and failures. Your explanation makes perfect sense to me. Thanks again!!
Great video, my personal opinion is the putter performance is 90% based on how the putter suits your eye. As an example, my 2 gamers are an Odyssey 9 (max toe flow) and a Scotty Phantom X 6str (face balanced) and I am equally comfortable with both. I guess what this shows, as you mentioned, go get fit and try the putter.
I just like mallet style putters tried blades, couldn't get on with them, not sure if I'll get a putter fitting I like to experiment with putters a lot.
Really interesting video. Fell in love with a Newport 2.5, went for a fitting and ended up with a Ping Heppler Tyne 3 which suited me on slower greens (tendency to leave short). As the video says, the tech and marketing blurb isn’t a replacement for a proper fitting. All clubs in the bag are now fitted, just hope I can get back on the course soon! Great video, keep up the great work and great to see Lester back.
I would love to see you do more videoes on putting and putter fittings with James. My local pro and proshop don't offer putter fitting and don't have a SAM, otherwise I would surely take more lessons to improvce my putting.
YES! Last club i need to replace! Been looking at putters for months and still havent decided🤔 Side note, the production in the videos is getting top notch! Well done guys
The information provided by a SAM PutLab fitting is important in confirming which putter style enables one to most consistently strike the ball. I found it was an eye-opening experience.
Mince was the only one who got his putter 0,0% square at impact! 🧐 isn’t that what it is all about with good putting 😜 Great test guys. What about the different shafts in putters and the necks? What do they do? I personally love putters with the shaft centred. Too me this makes much more sense as that is where you strike the ball so less rotation when striking it. Mmmm... 🧐 why do my golf clubs have their shafts not centred in the club head 🤨 All very confusing 😩😩😩
Good work on this topic fellows! It is a reminder that fitting with a knowledgeable fitter with the right equipment makes a difference in golf club performance on the course. As an aside, I find I can put with any of the three putter styles you used in your test (and own all three styles but in PING) and gain similar outcomes on test equipment. Nonetheless, I tend to putt better on the course overall using the strokes gained approach using the PING Vault (1.0) Anser black dot with the PP62 grip. Note that I was fitted for this specific putter by a PING fitting expert.
Great content guys. More analysis like this will bust the marketing myths and facilitate the punters getting the best wand in their mitts to address their putting idiosyncrasies. Keep it coming Dan.👍
great stuff!! Love to see a test on "what I like looking at " compared to "what works technically" and can you make the "what i like looking at" work just as well as the "technically better"
Dang it Dan!! Now I don't know what to believe. Ping even puts stickers on their shafts to indicate what stoke type the putter is best designed for. So does that mean I can use whichever "balanced" head I like best? 🤔
I think a player may have a natural tendency to a type of putter & find it via trying several types. I am not entirely convinced by putter fittings but golfers love data. I have gone back to my first putter a Ping anser, cleaned & re-gripped. Last few days have done a few experiments on the practice green & decided it is staying in the bag.
Interesting vid, I’m not sure what to conclude from the results! Is it worth having a putter fitting or just go by what appeals visually and trust ones instincts. A follow up vid on what you would recommend for the three of you would be worth while also as another viewer suggested taking grip size into the equation as well?
If you test on a real green, with slopes/camber would the putter characteristics be more apparent? Just a theory but if you are on a slope to start then would gravity impact how the putter works due to the weighting of the putter.
Putters are such an individual feeling when looking for something that will fill you with joy or having a need to choke the living crap out of it. It's like having a best friend that occasionally pisses you off. :)
Hi Dan could you recommend a nice headcover for Scotty phantom x 5.5 ? Just got one and love the putter but omg the headcover is huge and naff 🤮 want a more snug fitting like a spider x one
Hi guys do these come out with all there talk because the use machines or are they just using the same old same because that’s what’s been said for so many years because I would think the do change in different peoples hands as we’re all different
Literally had a long conversation recently with someone telling me how my putter (Newport 1.5) shouldn't work with my straight back straight through feeling. Also, this video might explain my slight waggle in the back swing where, like you say, the toe seems to be delayed on the takeaway. I thought this was a quirk in me but it sounds like it might not be after all. I'll have to do some testing and fitting.
Great video - I think the high toe flow putters are more of a concern for people that tend to decelerate in short putts as the heavier toe will tend to close the face on the way back AND then close down even more if you decelerate on the way through
Except that the more Toe Flow the Slower the Rate of Rotation, which means the Toe stays Open to Path. Not enough TF leads to Pulls. Too much TF leads to Pushes.
I’ve never understood the face balance and toe hang thing. If you’re holding the grip then the forces of any weighting on the head of the putter wouldn’t have any impact? So call me old fashioned but I’d buy the one which holes most putts for you.
I'd be interested in a follow-up test, but, instead of comparing different putter types, comparing a traditional size/shape grip vs. a larger, tapered grip vs. a larger, non-tapered grip. Thx, Dan!
If it puts the ball in the hole. I don't care how it looks 🤣 It's the only club I still use that I used to use 15 years ago. I found the one for me and se no need to change. Streanght of my game so far. Will probably do 4 puts on all holes next round after saying that 🤣 but putting is What I am most comfortable with. Very rarely do more then two putt. Its getting to the green that is the hard part🤣
Based on physics the highest toe hang putter should open the slowest on the way back and close the slowest on the way through. With this in mind I believe the following to be true. Toe hang putters are suggest for an arcing stroke is so that the face rotation does not overtake the arc and shut down. We should generally see the least amount of backswing rotation with a toe hang putter and the most with a face balanced, assuming an arcing stroke. We would also see the most forward swing rotation with a face balanced putter as the toe is not weighted and hanging back. In summary, get fit and see what the data shows as everyone will have different grip pressure and arcs which can throw theory out the window.
Question, probably for James - I putt quite open to closed but the putter I use has a strong ‘toe hang’, so could my putting action be down the putter?
It’s difficult to say without seeing your action, but I would say most likely not. It’s more likely to be your posture over the ball or way you hold the club. Very difficult to say for sure without seeing it in the flesh 😬
Interesting.. Andy Gorman said on hie utube show, he will be doing some robot testing soon. With more info than your equipment..I think shaft deflection is a real issue...especially on real grass.. astro turf isn't quite the surface to show the defects..in the stroke or the putter. Maybe the robot will..
I know the differences are tiny, but that tiny difference has a larger end result the longer the putt is? Also, wouldn't we expect different results for each golfer as ball position and path are different for everybody?
Personally, I just go on looks and feel. I don't believe in the spill they (the manufacturers) come out with. I've had 2 bladed putters (Ping & Scotty) and now using the SC Fastback. If I try it and like it, then that's good enough for me. If I liked a different style putter and fancied a change, it isn't going to influence how many putts I sink or miss
I hope Lester isn't on commission for selling putters after that he may have to live off the Mars bar commission 😂. Seriously very good video. Now how does grip size affect the stroke?
Think increase in data would help settle this. Hard to come to any conclusions with 3 people. Maybe these companies have empirically collected their data for release? But v interesting
We agree, and to have a conclusive data size we would like to test 1000’s of people. I will look into that as not sure what sort of research was put in by Scotty Cameron to reach these conclusions.
So lads....."can you fit for a putter" then??? Or is it personal preference 👀 I'm on the fence lads don't think a fitting will matter now 🤔 need to be convinced I'm afraid ...
SAM will put you in several different putters that you like the feel and look of, and then give you the data on which one is performing best in all ‘tendency’, ‘timing’, and most importantly ‘consistency’. A putter fitting is the ONLY way to find out which putter is performing best for YOU without speculation or theory.
Not having a putter fitting is a huge mistake when spending 100-350 on a putter..... No one can judge if a putter suits them just by having a few putts on a matt or a green.
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The look on Lester’s face after that comment...priceless 😂 need to get that on a t-shirt 😂👍🏻
Toe hang is a manifestation of putter head CG position relative to the shaft axis. More toe hang = higher MOI about the rotational axis of the putter shaft. The face balanced putter is “easier” to manipulate open and closed, just like playing a small bladed iron, due to the reduced MOI about the shaft axis. The opposite for the del mar. Of course we are talking about small margins here so the player can easily close and open any putter face, but they are certainly different from a physics perspective. Would be happy to expand or discuss further if there’s interest!
You all need to check out the Edel videos on putters. The influence of head shapes, lines, grips on aim. And weighting it correctly to get the right speed control. So some but kinda mindblowing
Most people will learn to putt with any putter if they like the look and feel. Personally, I have had lots of different putters through the years, and maybe because I'm not that good or just that I'm stubborn I have had different putting strokes that matched the feel and feedback I was getting from each other the putters at the time
100% agree mate 👍 As long as it doesn't look like the Starship Enterprise then it's all good 😂
Interesting but you didn’t mention the effect of putter length and lie. I just went for a fitting on the SAM putt lab and went from a 35” face balanced spider mallet thicker grip with 4 deg loft and 69 deg of lie to a 33.5” Sik Flo C standard grip with plumbers neck 45 deg toe hang 1.5 deg loft and 73 deg lie. I liked the swing weight (F10 415g lower CG) over the Scotty Camerons. For me the putter length seemed to affect everything else. I really wanted a Scotty blade but the data said otherwise. This was a major change but I was compensating for the length of the Spider which led to inconsistency in my putting. I won’t have my new Sik for a couple more weeks so won’t know real on course results until then. Putter fitting is a neglected part of club fitting so keep exploring this on the channel. I am also trying to improve my putting skills and wanted to take the putter out of the equation. Cheers!
I've never had a putter fitting, I can tell with in 3 or 4 puts if I like it. I've got both types of putter & I alternate them, they all work fine. I won't be having any fittings, I trust myself to find a putter that works & I like the way it looks.
Wise words Dan. Putters are such a 'looks' and 'feel' purchase. I've been told at a fitting in the past that I need a face balanced putter because of my swing, however, I don't like the look of them and put well with toe hang putters. It's all madness....
I'll be getting a newport 2.5 special select, I'm an 18 handicap. I genuinely do not care if it's not suited to me immediately, I get the one I want. If I need to make it work I'm happy to do that haha I just always wanted to have that classic style of of Scotty. I don't think I'm alone. love the content guys, keep it up 💪
Hi Aidan, I'm the same as you .
I've had a Scotty circa 62 blade putter for over 10yrs,and play off 19.
.....If you love the look of a certain putter,you will soon get the feel of it!👍
Certain putters are for better golfers????.....Not true!!
I play a different putter every week and when I change, after a few putts I'm happy to go.
Good work on this video! I've felt the whole toe-hang vs face-balanced thing was a load of rubbish for ages.
To me a putter is a CoG on the end of the stick, line the CoG up with the ball and swing the putter.
Ping anser putters used them for years slight toe hang..tbh I just like that style putter not busy nice and simple ..found with mallets I pulled putts👍👍
First decent putter I bought was from American Golf. A random bag of putters on a false green to try. The first one I picked I holed out 3 times in a row and used it for the next 20 years. My son bought me an odyssey this year or it would still be in the bag. (My very first putter was a banana shaped lump of brass on a stick and it worked very well).
From my small foray into putters I think the grip is more important than the design. I’ve got from a ping pp59 grip to a super stroke 3 and I think it’s made a massive difference. I’d like to see a grip change video to see if you get the same.
I played a Ping Anser 2 for a long time but was struggling with putting & went for a fitting, this resulted in a change to a face balanced putter. With the Ping, strike was consistent but toward the heel, with face balanced putters, strike has the same consistency but a more central location.
Interesting although not sure that straight back straight through exists there is always some arc to a stroke. Would be interested in a comparison with a torque balanced putter as well.
I play a toe hang. Ping Anser 2x It is an Anser with a longer neck than a regular Anser. It doesn't toe hang as much as a regular Anser. It is about halfway between a face balanced and a full toe hang.
Dan, how about just before the shop opens again you get Lester to give us a guided tour to let us see all the new gear available on the shelves waiting for the golf hordes around the country to buy ! I am sure there are others like me eager to see what might catch our eye. Lester being a feel player is the butt of the jokes but being a plus handicap golfer, the skills don't lie !
The face on Lester 👀🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🙈lovely man you get what you like mate ignore the stats🤣🤣🤣
Only had 3 putters my whole golflife (30+ years). Just bought the Odyssey Marxman S, last summer strictly on feel and looks, and it has not disappointed me. Usually a pretty decent putter and has never been the putting that ruined my rounds.
I tended to pull putts, I had a slight-toe hang Bettinardi (15°). I did a SAM putter fit and found that I have an arc and needed a 30°-45° toe hang putter. I now have an Odyssey StrokeLab 7 with a 35° hang and it is now point and shoot.
James always comes across well on these putter vlogs, calm and knowledgeable. Mint to see Lester back, hope you and your family are doing well. Cracking, interesting content this. 👍
Many thanks Steven 😎
At last! This is the best vid for putting you have ever done. From this point it also comes down to miss Tendencies for fitting.
Lester is the man!!!
Well done. This is the first time I have ever seen an experiment to prove/disprove the theory on toe hang vs face balance and it is also massively overdue. Personally I have never believed the marketing dialogue surrounding the subject because it simply doesn't make sense - No matter how many times I hear it, it doesn't make it the case.👍👍👍
Play 2 mid flow putters, T22 Newport 2 and a GSS Tour Rat as a backup
Nice to see James back.
Thanks Alan 😎
Good vid! My next purchase is a putter so a timely watch 👍
Makes me want to go get a putter fitting now as I am questioning my previous purchase. Great video lads
I was once told that the best putter for an individual is the one that they can line up square to start and return to square at impact ignoring whether it should fit a certain stroke or not.
Nice video, greatly enjoyed Lester’s expressions, absolutely priceless. As for me, I have been using the same Dunlop putter for 25 years, the handle is held together with plastic tape, I average 28 putts a round and play off 4 handicap. The putter works well for me and I see no reason to change. I pay no attention to what the makers say at all.
Love it! Outside of your course vlogs, this has to be one of the best videos you’ve posted. Thanks for this...I’ve been noticing contradictions to company claims a lot and kept quiet about it. Everyone should see this video
Thanks for the great video on this topic. I own an assortment of putters and I find I can putt well (or bad) with any style. I have used toe hang blades, anser style, and face balanced mallets with equal success and failures. Your explanation makes perfect sense to me. Thanks again!!
Great video, my personal opinion is the putter performance is 90% based on how the putter suits your eye. As an example, my 2 gamers are an Odyssey 9 (max toe flow) and a Scotty Phantom X 6str (face balanced) and I am equally comfortable with both.
I guess what this shows, as you mentioned, go get fit and try the putter.
Review couldn't come at a better time, been looking to see what would help with the pushed right putt, with my face balanced mallet..
Just a thought... what about on longer puts? Does the longer swing cause more variance between the club types?
Adding about the influence of picking the correct grip would have added to the video... but still very informative 👍
Good putting stroke overrides any equipment help at a high level. That's about all I get from this.
What a great video. Very good test with proper equipment and plan. Blind testing is the way to go here 👍
That look on Lester's face was priceless and it looks like James and the SAM Putt Lab will be busy when the shop opens up
Very interesting and did Lester get caught off guard with a question!! James seems to be the putter guru.
Love the video, but we have to remember we all have different grips and stands when putting...
I just like mallet style putters tried blades, couldn't get on with them, not sure if I'll get a putter fitting I like to experiment with putters a lot.
Really interesting video. Fell in love with a Newport 2.5, went for a fitting and ended up with a Ping Heppler Tyne 3 which suited me on slower greens (tendency to leave short). As the video says, the tech and marketing blurb isn’t a replacement for a proper fitting. All clubs in the bag are now fitted, just hope I can get back on the course soon! Great video, keep up the great work and great to see Lester back.
I would love to see you do more videoes on putting and putter fittings with James. My local pro and proshop don't offer putter fitting and don't have a SAM, otherwise I would surely take more lessons to improvce my putting.
Many thanks Kasper, more coming soon 😉
YES! Last club i need to replace! Been looking at putters for months and still havent decided🤔
Side note, the production in the videos is getting top notch! Well done guys
The information provided by a SAM PutLab fitting is important in confirming which putter style enables one to most consistently strike the ball. I found it was an eye-opening experience.
Mince was the only one who got his putter 0,0% square at impact! 🧐 isn’t that what it is all about with good putting 😜 Great test guys. What about the different shafts in putters and the necks? What do they do? I personally love putters with the shaft centred. Too me this makes much more sense as that is where you strike the ball so less rotation when striking it. Mmmm... 🧐 why do my golf clubs have their shafts not centred in the club head 🤨 All very confusing 😩😩😩
Good work on this topic fellows! It is a reminder that fitting with a knowledgeable fitter with the right equipment makes a difference in golf club performance on the course. As an aside, I find I can put with any of the three putter styles you used in your test (and own all three styles but in PING) and gain similar outcomes on test equipment. Nonetheless, I tend to putt better on the course overall using the strokes gained approach using the PING Vault (1.0) Anser black dot with the PP62 grip. Note that I was fitted for this specific putter by a PING fitting expert.
I have that del mar in the bag and have been really enjoying it
This video was more than just some food for thought; it was a feast! If only the putter itself was my problem, lol.
Great content guys. More analysis like this will bust the marketing myths and facilitate the punters getting the best wand in their mitts to address their putting idiosyncrasies. Keep it coming Dan.👍
Would like to see the test done outside on different length putts, from 3ft to 20ft with the slopes from the green etc
great stuff!! Love to see a test on "what I like looking at " compared to "what works technically" and can you make the "what i like looking at" work just as well as the "technically better"
Dang it Dan!! Now I don't know what to believe. Ping even puts stickers on their shafts to indicate what stoke type the putter is best designed for. So does that mean I can use whichever "balanced" head I like best? 🤔
Ping zing (Anser style) for me. Super stroke grip
I think a player may have a natural tendency to a type of putter & find it via trying several types. I am not entirely convinced by putter fittings but golfers love data. I have gone back to my first putter a Ping anser, cleaned & re-gripped. Last few days have done a few experiments on the practice green & decided it is staying in the bag.
Interesting vid, I’m not sure what to conclude from the results! Is it worth having a putter fitting or just go by what appeals visually and trust ones instincts. A follow up vid on what you would recommend for the three of you would be worth while also as another viewer suggested taking grip size into the equation as well?
If you test on a real green, with slopes/camber would the putter characteristics be more apparent? Just a theory but if you are on a slope to start then would gravity impact how the putter works due to the weighting of the putter.
What about a torque balanced or toe up style putter? Curious to those claims. Rose axis. Edel. Lab. Etc
We will be testing at some stage 👍🏻
Think its who is holding the club that makes the difference
Putters are such an individual feeling when looking for something that will fill you with joy or having a need to choke the living crap out of it. It's like having a best friend that occasionally pisses you off. :)
Hi Dan could you recommend a nice headcover for Scotty phantom x 5.5 ? Just got one and love the putter but omg the headcover is huge and naff 🤮 want a more snug fitting like a spider x one
Got 32 today, first round back since October, really pleased, now I want to go everyday 😂
Hi guys do these come out with all there talk because the use machines or are they just using the same old same because that’s what’s been said for so many years because I would think the do change in different peoples hands as we’re all different
Video shows you need to try out putter before purchase to see if it feels right
I agree that a putter fitting is essential after seeing this.
Nothing beats experimentation. Are they all the same weight?
Literally had a long conversation recently with someone telling me how my putter (Newport 1.5) shouldn't work with my straight back straight through feeling. Also, this video might explain my slight waggle in the back swing where, like you say, the toe seems to be delayed on the takeaway. I thought this was a quirk in me but it sounds like it might not be after all. I'll have to do some testing and fitting.
Great video - I think the high toe flow putters are more of a concern for people that tend to decelerate in short putts as the heavier toe will tend to close the face on the way back AND then close down even more if you decelerate on the way through
Different experts and companies seem to have conflicting ideas, its an area of the game that certainly needs more research.I like your idea though.
Except that the more Toe Flow the Slower the Rate of Rotation, which means the Toe stays Open to Path.
Not enough TF leads to Pulls.
Too much TF leads to Pushes.
What about necks on putters?
I’ve never understood the face balance and toe hang thing. If you’re holding the grip then the forces of any weighting on the head of the putter wouldn’t have any impact?
So call me old fashioned but I’d buy the one which holes most putts for you.
I'd be interested in a follow-up test, but, instead of comparing different putter types, comparing a traditional size/shape grip vs. a larger, tapered grip vs. a larger, non-tapered grip. Thx, Dan!
If it puts the ball in the hole. I don't care how it looks 🤣
It's the only club I still use that I used to use 15 years ago. I found the one for me and se no need to change. Streanght of my game so far. Will probably do 4 puts on all holes next round after saying that 🤣 but putting is What I am most comfortable with. Very rarely do more then two putt. Its getting to the green that is the hard part🤣
Busting myths again, renegades 👍👍
Super interesting. I have a suspicion that weight of the putter is the key, and no one seems to talk about it much.
We will for sure 👍
Based on physics the highest toe hang putter should open the slowest on the way back and close the slowest on the way through. With this in mind I believe the following to be true. Toe hang putters are suggest for an arcing stroke is so that the face rotation does not overtake the arc and shut down. We should generally see the least amount of backswing rotation with a toe hang putter and the most with a face balanced, assuming an arcing stroke. We would also see the most forward swing rotation with a face balanced putter as the toe is not weighted and hanging back. In summary, get fit and see what the data shows as everyone will have different grip pressure and arcs which can throw theory out the window.
Depends which coach, company or expert you follow. It's an area which requires more development and research definetly.
Question, probably for James - I putt quite open to closed but the putter I use has a strong ‘toe hang’, so could my putting action be down the putter?
It’s difficult to say without seeing your action, but I would say most likely not. It’s more likely to be your posture over the ball or way you hold the club. Very difficult to say for sure without seeing it in the flesh 😬
@@coachjamesygolf9924 thanks for that.
I’ve found a SAM fitter close ish to me so I’ve booked a fitting in a couple of weeks 👍🏻
Interesting.. Andy Gorman said on hie utube show, he will be doing some robot testing soon. With more info than your equipment..I think shaft deflection is a real issue...especially on real grass.. astro turf isn't quite the surface to show the defects..in the stroke or the putter. Maybe the robot will..
I wonder if the results would be different if the distance is longer (or shorter)?
I switch between a Newport 2 and an Odyssey V line and see no difference accept the Odyssey is a bit more forgiving. Myth busters of the world unite👍
I know the differences are tiny, but that tiny difference has a larger end result the longer the putt is? Also, wouldn't we expect different results for each golfer as ball position and path are different for everybody?
Correct on both Mark 👍🏻
“I spend most of my adult life in a confused state” comment of 2021 already 😂
Isn’t rotation of no concern if the face is square at impact?
Some of us out there like center shafted putters and pretty much never see reviews for them from any of you youtubers
Personally, I just go on looks and feel. I don't believe in the spill they (the manufacturers) come out with. I've had 2 bladed putters (Ping & Scotty) and now using the SC Fastback. If I try it and like it, then that's good enough for me. If I liked a different style putter and fancied a change, it isn't going to influence how many putts I sink or miss
Question EVERYTHING from putters to Controlavirus 🤣
I hope Lester isn't on commission for selling putters after that he may have to live off the Mars bar commission 😂. Seriously very good video. Now how does grip size affect the stroke?
Think increase in data would help settle this. Hard to come to any conclusions with 3 people. Maybe these companies have empirically collected their data for release? But v interesting
We agree, and to have a conclusive data size we would like to test 1000’s of people. I will look into that as not sure what sort of research was put in by Scotty Cameron to reach these conclusions.
Good old Lester is unique.
Face balance works best for me.
The moral of the story is to use what works best for you, ignore what the experts tell you what should or should not be happening
You didn't talk about face angle at impact. That would seem to be what matters the most
Surely they’ll all be square to the target at impact assuming the golfer is doing their job
Always thought that face balance was a load of hot air.
9:07 Lester cut to the quick🤣🤣🤣🤣
So lads....."can you fit for a putter" then??? Or is it personal preference 👀 I'm on the fence lads don't think a fitting will matter now 🤔 need to be convinced I'm afraid ...
SAM will put you in several different putters that you like the feel and look of, and then give you the data on which one is performing best in all ‘tendency’, ‘timing’, and most importantly ‘consistency’. A putter fitting is the ONLY way to find out which putter is performing best for YOU without speculation or theory.
Only know one thing about putters. Beware of old guys with old putters. They usually have them because they know how to use them.
Lester “unique” Barns
Not having a putter fitting is a huge mistake when spending 100-350 on a putter..... No one can judge if a putter suits them just by having a few putts on a matt or a green.
Absolutely, the most important club to be fitted in my opinion!
Never believe the hype - always go with feel
Who's writing this stuff down, people who know or marketing depts
Bugger! Now you tell me! 😖