Greg, I am forever in your debt for this one sentence, "The organism will continue to do what made it successful in the past." Every time I pull that line out, people's heads explode. They immediately conclude that I'm the smartest person in the room.
Call me envious but that line from Darwin to myself every one can think of. Even abused women repeat things that were NOT GOOD for themselves but whose process they know.
Hello, Greg, Mark, Chase & Scott! Having grown up in Los Angeles during the time of the Sharon Tate murders; I can tell you I was a about 10yrs old and happen upon a magazine in a Drs. office that told in detail about the Sharon Tate murders . I read it and was completely shocked and in disbelief that anyone in the world could have done or witnessed this murder. The whole world changed from everything is nice in the world to not. It rattled me to the core. Having watched this episode I can’t say I’m sorry he has passed away. Good Riddance….. Thank you Behavior Panel for your expertise and time . See you again next week as always😊❤️
There we go, getting to salute all 4 panelists that make this awesome. Some things are far better in a mix than the sum of the individual parts. This group is an example: Individually great, together explosive. 🎉 Making some kind of sense of the insane calms and educates the community. Whether we agree or disagree on subjects, we join together in our great appreciation for this learning resource. Since studying, I've learned to read subtle cues to stress, and, alerted by pre violence indicators, defused a confrontation. Thanks for the gifts.
Mark comments that PROBABLY "He's the type of guy who if he came into a room full of people sitting in chairs, he would turn his chair backwards" ... etc. I saw an interview with him where he is much older, and that is EXACTLY what he did with his chair. Good call Mark! 💯
@user-zx9ki8tk4r True ... yet once he said that, I started spotting people who do that ... and remembering people who'd done that in the past. He makes a good point.
That moment where Greg's cam starts playing up (around 35 mins). Chase & Scott, you both only get a C grade there for hiding laughter. Maybe a C- for Chase. But watching you pair trying to hold it in had me chuckling. Scott actually having to look away had me laughing. Yet more great work gents. I hope everyone on the Panel has an amazing weekend. & much love to everyone from here in GB
Awesome! Thank you guys so much! You really read the comments! I’m so excited to see this. Like Bundy, Gacy, Dahmer, Ramirez etc. we’ve all seen a lot of footage of them but you guys manage to make it into something none of us has ever seen. A true learning experience ❤
I am from that generation. This is the first time I felt secure enough to listen to a Manson interview. He terrified me. Thanks guys. Yall did a great job.
It's no wonder he frightened so many. He and his followers were able to sneak into people's houses at night. He always seemed crazed to me, which is frightening, too.
I might be biased because I'm British but I absolutely love Marks input, he always explains things from a totally different perspective than the other guys even though he's usually agreeing with their points
Agreed; I was thinking earlier that I enjoy his being in the mix because his perspective and input provides a kind of counterpoint to the north-American, military-and interrogation- background of the others. I appreciate all of their perspectives but I think his inclusion is valuable for that reason.
What your saying is interesting. It shows that there's a fine line between trying to convince someone vs. trying to indoctrinate someone. I think that's why it's so easy for so many people to get taken in by these cult leaders. Most of them act pretty normal and can be very smart, which gives them an advantage over a Manson type, who turned off a lot of people. He had to pick out the most vulnerable, broken people. Plus, he had the drug culture and 1960's anti-establishment, if it feels good, do it , generation to work with.
I love it when Scott & Chase try to hold it together as Greg breaks up through his part 😅...love u guys! You provide so much knowledge on different things. Keep doing what you're doing x
Greg has THE warmest smile. It makes me smile. Wouldn’t like to be questioned/interrogated by him though I’d probably admit to something I didn’t do out of fear 😂
Ok, I'm watching too much Behaviour Panel...had a dream last night that I was being interrogated by a tall, imposing man (not Greg, however) in battle fatigues, surrounded by others. I was sitting down and reached up and went "Boop!" and touched battle fatigue's nose. The room went still, in shock. Battle fatigue said to me, why did you do that? I said I watch the Behaviour Panel and this is one of the techniques to stop interrogation. Everyone laughed & let me go! I was amazed that my chicanery (please have Mark use this word more often) got me out of a tight spot.
Gregg is correct…”He was a miserable little man!” All the attention he got in life was pitching fits and acting crazy! He knew what he was doing and loved to confuse people
exactly what i said too about manson..just a hateful miserable human being... so vindictive and insecure...he loved messing with peoples minds and using them
I was turning 13 when these murders happened. Manson has fascinated me ever since. Thanks for doing this one guys. As always, an entertaining learning experience.
TIMESTAMPS FOR CLIPS SHOWN (Along with what the Panel discusses) Clip One 00:38 (Things to look for: Emotional eye accessing, blink rate spike, repetition, teachers face, condemning & disdain smile [bless your heart gesture], clasped hands, mirroring) Also discussed: Common behavior in Cult leaders. They use silence & repetition to appear wise. Down right emotional eye accessing as baseline. Neglected childhood. Organism doing what made it successful. Clip Two 12:30 (amusment, attempt to stroke ego, beard grooming [part of baseline], fake crying, adapting, clasped hands, open crotch, barriered arm, playing role of innocence, circular logic, blink rate increase.) Abuse growing up. Clip Three 21:12 (single shoulder shrug, preaching, chaffing & redirect, eyelid flutter.) What cult leaders do best. How to be a Cult leader. 'Rhyme as reason effect'. Ambigious or nonsensical language, which can create mental confusion or cognitive dissonance. Unusual language can serve to separate cult from the outside world. Juvenile delinquency. Clip Four 33:21 (emotional eye accessing, anger in face, charismatic laughter, mouth fidgeting [may be part of baseline]) Crack in false confidence (nodding, blink rate increase, smiling, facial touching). Incarceration & lack of positive role models (huge contributer to criminal behavior later in life). How to spot the anger even under facial hair. Allotropic behavior (Pulls you in different directions). Clip Five 38:36 (facial touching, hesitancy, eyebrow flash, approval seeking, muted head shake, pursed lips, respiration increase, list making behavior) Clip Six 47:01 (narrowing of eyes, teaching face, superficial charm, anger, attempt to chaff & redirect) Hallmarks of Mansons speech patterns (convoluted, circular, nonlinear). Repitition & reversal, ambiguity & evasiveness, assertion of dominance, hypnotic repetition, indirect confirmation, non-sequitur. Scientology. Clip Seven 56:14 (Chaff & redirect) Verbal excrement. Messiah complex. Mansons techniques: create doubt, insert confusion, amplify confusion, borrow from authority, tactical/artificial wisdom. Mansons Formula: Create mystique, offer individualized attention, display assertive confidence, distort reality, promote the Us vs. Them mentality, and align with spiritual or ideological concepts. Clip Eight 1:08:19 (adapters, large illustrators, lower lip withdrawal, compressed lips, emotional eye accessing) Messiah Complex & paranoia. Learned behavior. Difference between persona & the person inside afraid to be seen. Uniqueness of human beings. Clip Nine 1:18:01 (lean in, looking under brow, mocking, inability to call someone a liar, vague ambigious language, lack of denial about accusations, attacking the other side, stress around vulnerability, artificial smiling, approval seeking behavior, & rapport building behavior) Rational mind. Manson tells us why he is the way he is. A critical turning point in Manson was in 1957 after reading "How to win friends & influence people" by Dale Carnegie in prison. Specifically the quote "Let the other fellow feel that the idea is his." Final Thoughts 1:25:41 Most telling question to ask someone would be for them to describe the motivation of other people & how they believe they think. Thanks for another interesting episode gentlemen.
First of all, this was an awesome analysis, I’m a long-time cult obsessive and have a particular fascination with the Manson family, and this was really interesting discussion. Second, I have always wanted to suggest that the Behaviour Panel look at Susan Atkins, generally characterized as one of the more-unhinged Manson girls. It is actually through your dissection of other sociopathic women that I came to see Susan Atkins in a new light, and there are several interviews with her over her lifetime that chart her interesting progression and reveal a lot about her character.
I thought it was absolutely brilliant, how Scott said if you identify or agree with one thing he’s saying. It all starts making sense and then he’s got you . Chilling, you guys are the best ❤ 1:29:13
1:14:33 Coming from a mental health professional, what Chase said about the DSM V and how labels can become a self fulfilling prophecy was very well stated.
I’ve been watching you guys for a little while now, and I’m a little embarrassed to say that a lot of times I’m listening to hear your voices, cause they relax me, while I do other things. Although, I do find your info very interesting. So I was tickled when I found myself nodding along with one of you cause I had noticed the same thing while C. Manson spoke. I’m finally learning!!!!
Poor Scott! 😅 Lol, he can’t keep it together when he sees Chase start to smile. 35:56 He literally has to cover his mouth and look away, to keep from cracking up. I love it 😄❤️
I have to tell you guys... I LOVE this show. I have been binge watching since I discovered it. I am so obtuse when it comes to people and to liars.. this is good for me to watch. Learning a lot. And whoever put the four of you together is a genius. You work so well together and compliment each other. I love when you are interacting and laughing. Thank you and keep the shows coming.
26:00 when Chase mentions “Rhyme as Reason” the first thing to come to mind was the Reverend Jesse Jackson. No judgment of the man himself, just that’s what came to mind, because he rhymed alot. That and “If it does not fit, you must acquit.”, which was Johnny Cochran in the Simpson trial.
I’m with all four you on this one, as usually every one-such phenomenal 411 from each of you. I’ve never understood how panelists can pick one favorite, you’re all four my favorite ❤❤❤❤
A while ago on TH-cam I listened to parole hearings for Manson, Susan Atkins, and Leslie van Houten--the one who got released recently. Just listening to them as a lawyer, I thought Manson wasn't even trying; Atkins came across weird and phony; and van Houten was the model for "how you want your client to behave at parole hearings." (This was a hearing long before she actually got parole.) I would love to hear a compare-and-contrast by this panel between those three.
Mansion’s case was so astonishing, intriguing, and scary at the time. It was so good and helpful to hear that the reason he no longer has the ability to influence is that his technique no longer works as it is so far out of the context in which it was successful. Good stuff.
Chase and Scott holding their giggles and nearly laughed :) but Mark did think of it but then thought no, and Greg didnt notice when the stream had interferences but we saw him paused. So funny :)
Thank you behaviour panel for doing something on Charles Manson I asked a long time ago if you could do a segment on Manson and other members of his group particularly, Susan Atkins, tex Watson, leslie van Houten Patricia krenwinkle thank you guys.
Thanks for another interesting analysis, gentlemen. I would love to see a compilation of various cult leaders so you can identify the body language tactics they all share. I would also love to see one focusing on Scientology, especially those in the public eye who’ve escaped. It would be interesting to see their body language when they were in compared to after they got out.
I was homeless in high school, and Charles Manson just reminds me of the homeless people I’d come across that had a couple screws loose, I don’t know how people thought he was charming
He was a lot younger than this interview, he wrote songs, knew some famous people and maybe was more charming when facing young ladies under 20 and guys who wanted to make some money, sell drugs or have a lot of sex.
That's a rough go, Megumi. Congrats on making it through and coming out the other side. Its real hard to see Manson and understand the reaction " let's get us some of that!"
@@zerowheeler I know, I hace seen his old interviews, his trials, his photos from the ranch surrounded by women, even then you could tell he wasn’t right in the head. I guess everyone was just seeking enlightenment through whomever strayed the course of normalcy, but he was always wacky (putting it nicely) and his music didn’t impress anyone much at least when they were interviewed. I just don’t see the appeal. Sign of the times
Manson apparently did 150 hours of Scientology auditing in the 60's. Following his time in the church, he said that the religion was ”too crazy.” I didn't make the link before, but now I can see it in his mannerisms, the stare...
Scott trying not to laugh and compose himself after Greg is frozen...as Chase tries not to look at Scott...as Mark looks up noticing something is going on that he must have missed. Greg looks like he knows something is off but moves on. Scott still trying not to laugh............... I was hysterical!!!!
Thanks, y'all. I've watched a lot on Manson, but I'm sure others learned more and I enjoyed the analysis. Any chance Lori Vallow Daybell finally speaking at her sentencing or anything more on Taylor Schabusiness on the horizon? Especially Schabusiness--her body language absolutely baffles me!
Schabusiness was very odd. I've never seen anyone like her. I watched her while her Dad, and those psychologists were testifying about her mental health and background, after she was found guilty, but before the final sentencing. I could definitely see a change in her manner with each one. She looked happy when her Dad was talking about her. She sat up and really listened to him and exchanged "I love you" with him as he walked by to leave. Then she started her weird frown and facial expressions during the psychologist who spoke against her,. While the other person who spoke more for her innocence, her face had none of the contortions. She seemed very relaxed. My belief is that she has Borderline Personality Disorder. She's a real manipulator, shown by her very different expressions with the people, as I described. I, too, would love to get the Panel's analysis on her.
This was yet another interesting, fantastic episode. Scott I spied you trying to conceal a chuckle at one point in the episode. Please continue brining us this top notch content 🎉
Mark’s reactions were just spot on. He thinks this guy is an idiot and not worth wasting time on. I agree. Mark is always thoughtful and deep in his assessments. This time he spotted the idiocy right out of the gate and kept his answers pointed and accurate IMO.
I wouldn't characterize him like that He was printing books running record labels selling CDs Donating to animal liberation front And Earth liberation front And he was a good artist and he was selling artwork He was a man that was fuked over by the system But he never let that hold him back he kept doing good 👍‼️😊💯
The Rock group Marilyn Manson was named after him partly Numerous groups recorded his music He sold t-shirts with his face and name So cry a little harder and cope and seethe
I don't find him charismatic in the least, in fact he gives me the proper creeps! That flash of anger at the interviewer after the two and fro was undeniable and chilling. Mark is right, he enjoys not giving a straight answer, and talks a load of crazy bunkum. An ex of mine used to say "paranoia pays", he turned out to be a wannabe career criminal and diagnosed narcissistic psychopath.. I make that point for what it's worth. It's interesting to see all the different types of manipulation. Once these people's masks finally slip, you can't unsee the scary reality. To my mind, to know one true narcissist is to know them all. Love all four of you guys' views and observations. Thankyou Scott for all the hard work you put into these educational videos! ❤
He's not some extraordinary guru but he's right. "The people that run your lives aren't very nice." If only he has an opportunity to explain what he knows.
What I have found interesting is that Manson had read the book "How to win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnegie. He had actually credited this book in order to get people to do what he wanted. A book that has sold 30 million copies, and is considered mandatory reading for many business people.
Someone once said to me “Why have you never married? Even Charles Manson found a spouse!” After seeing this, I think that says more about him than me!!
There's an official name for the bizarre attraction some people have to killers and the like: >>Hybristophilia is a paraphilia involving sexual interest in and attraction to those who commit crimes.
My mother, a tough woman raised in poverty during the Depression, once listened to him on a televised rant about how society held people back, what it's like to be oppressed, blah, blah. (Some of what he said did make sense at times, of course, as cult leaders do.) She said, "He's right." I answered, "Yes, and he is also responsible for the brutal deaths of several people. I wouldn't believe him if he said water was wet."
Your mother is wiser than you are. It is important to hear what people say and evaluate it. Otherwise someone who looks good and hasn't gotten caught can take you anywhere. "He was a great guy I didn't even have to check if the water was wet."
@@paulaegraham Even a village idiot can speak truth on occasion, but that doesn't mean his discourse is all valid. When that village idiot is a murderer who can't keep his ass out of prison for more than a year or two at a stretch, I don't much care what he has to say, even if there are crumbs of truth sprinkled into the madness.
But water is wet, you're mother is jus more honest than most. Truth isn't determined by the character of who says it. A broken clock is right twice a day, yet we dont pearl clutch at that fact lol
@@NerdySabbath If you want to be a Manson fan because he happened to say something that had a grain of truth to someone, it's all the same to me. Charlie was the scum of the earth, but if someone wants to be a groupie, I really don't care. Even the most despicable excuses for humans occasionally make sense. And it's "your" when used as a possessive pronoun in the adjective case.
This is one of the most useful subjects the Panel have analysed. There are literally thousands of people, young and older, on the internet, who think Manson is wonderful, and innocent. The Panel’s descriptive analysis of this conman is excellent. One of the most common descriptions of him, by people who came across him, other than the Family, was that he was a ‘sneaky little guy’. That one line probably sums him up best of all. Anyone taken in by Manson needs to have a good look at themselves.
I grew up in an abusive cult and left so I absolutely hate people like this. If it doesn't make sense, if it hurts people, if I have to do mental gymnastics to figure out why we're doing it, I'm OUT!
Are we seeing the product of a human who wasn't raised by other humans, but by penal institutions his whole life? Who was never socialized, never taught right and wrong, only whatever needs to be done for survival? When he asks "Teach me what 'Help is', I wonder if he really means it - that he doesn't understand the concept of 'help', from one human to another.
What prevents me from believing that he doesn't know what "help" is, is the fact that later he talks about all the people in prison who are "helping" him. How could he know that they are "helping" him, but not understand what "help" is?
He was playing with the interviewer with that question basically laughing in their face at what they thought help was versus what he thought help was. He learned what their brand of help was in and out of multiple institutions and he hated the "help" he received there in the form of beatings, etc. He was being sarcastic by saying that.
1:11:45-ish I have to agree with Greg, and Chase's follow-up. I think we got a little peek into some actual emotion or "real"-ness. Something Manson doesn't like to expose...especially to "authority", imo. He works to consistently push away, push down, any expression or emotion the would expose his vulnerabilities. I think the definitive narcissism and megalomania are "skills" he developed as defense mechanisms through his abusive youth, and is what has "made the organism successful". It worked especially well with his followers. His apparent "bravado" strengthened his superiority over other broken, lost, young people...while appeasing his own ego. A "two-fer". He is one extremely damaged human. I truly appreciate the analysis through the "psychology lens" you've been bringing lately, Greg & Chase. Fascinating.
He ordered his acolytes to carry out his barbarism and never once said, "I feel sorry for these people and the unborn child". His level of of depravity is unconscionable.
Sorry I missed the premiere and live chat. I just started watching now and know it's going to be brilliant. Thanks to @The Behavior Panel for all their hard work and fascinating insights. I'd join their cult. I might already be in it. 👁
I love Greg's "final thoughts".👍 If you guys analyze more Manson videos it's just gonna be a wild ride of insanity & downward spiral...But, I'd watch!!🤩 Great video, gentlemen. Thx!💗💗💗💗
Scott is my favorite! He doesn’t try to be politically correct or diplomatic. We can always trust him to say exactly what he thinks. It makes him more relatable. ❤️
My mom and my biodad both had some stories about Manson. My mom was close friends with Old Man Spawns daughter, around the time Charlie started coming around. Both said he was a nutjob... my dad says that they got into it one night over Manson claiming to be the messiah.... My mom said she always steered clear of that group, but said her and her boys used to lay on a hill and take shots on him and his followers. Oh! the stories of growing up in LA in 60s, I wish my mom would have written a book, because her shenanigans were the best.
@zerowheeler She said they would lay on a hill and shoot at them. I've always assumed she meant like BB guns, but maybe she meant real guns. She said that they liked to make them dance, lol, I guess. Unfortunately, my parents have been gone for quite some time now, so I have no way of knowing now.
The best part for me was hearing Manson accurately explain why he is the way he is. He didn’t know how to function in the real world once he got out of jail, etc. Great stuff.
the ruptured duck is an honorable service lapel pin that GI's were given at the end of their time to signify federal service between 1925-46. Never heard the 101st referred to as the ruptured ducks.
When Manson first spoke my immediate thought was 'it seems that all cult leaders are stupid and talk rubbish ' confirmed by Chase in his first thoughts.
Thank you Behaviour Panel. One of the concepts you guys often bring up is: the organism does what made it successful (i.e. how was this individual created?). This criminal - strangely enough - really held up a mirror to us as a society and it's deeply unsettling to watch: a not-so-sane society that promotes and rewards cunning exploitation and manipulation at every level. You guys remind us all the time: from the corporate world to bootcamp. Take this further and one uncovers sth which beggars belief: the very same themes in this interview also play out in that famous 1997 high-profile interview that was recently written off. If one ventures to compare the latter interview to the former, one can notice that - in both - you basically have two completely opposite personalities (man without empathy versus one with too much empathy for her own good) whose opposite behaviours originated from the same psychological process, albeit different circumstances. Anybody who still remembers that interview would vaguely recall some ideas expressed by the iconic speaker, sth along the lines of: isolating experience, was confused, nobody sat me down and told me what to do, couldn't cope with the pressures, was seen as a basket case, either sink or swim kind of situation, gradually drawn towards those rejected by society, the man on the street, here to do good for ppl feeling unloved, ppl gave me healing, they carried me through, maybe there's a lot of ppl who need sb in public life to support them,...etc. Again: two totally opposite outcomes/personalities; yet, the similar psychological processing (i.e. seeing themselves as misfits/social outcasts) was at work and can't be missed. Would appreciate it if one could get insight as to how that can even be possible or explained?! Thanx again.
My outlandish theory is that Manson isn’t even psychotic or crazy, but learned from somebody in his life or in the system who was completely psychotic and charismatic and he admired the magnetism he observed of this individual and learned in an almost perfect manner how to replicate it. He wasn’t smart, but genius streetwise and smart enough to know the only hope for upward progression would be through others and their vulnerability.
And so I make my first comment: on this particular vid about Manson. I may have others,but I post this now at the beginning to demonstrate how muddled our thinking was back then. What does this mean? I first learned we had such a thing that was called a " president" when I was 7 years old. I learned that this "presiden person" called Kennedy was killed when I was in second grade. I didn't Really know what a president was,but I was very sad. I began to learn later about the Vietnam war and the lies about it. Then next, the Civil rights movement entered my awareness. And MLK was assassinated. Then Bobby. The Nixon debacle started around 1972 and he resigned in 1974 when I was 18. I learned about the lies that government could do and it was shocking. These were my formative years concerning information about "politics" and our "leaders" not being nice guys. I'm really lucky I didn't meet up with Charlie around this time because I was seeking for someone/ something that made sense. And I was young...Just some insight to other watchers so that they can understand how lost we were back at that age. More later maybe as I continue to watch.
That's a really good point to describe the political environment at that time. And yes, Manson' thinking would have been very attractive to people back then who could see what was really going on, and there was a lot of corruption going on in government, we know that is true. It must have been a terrible time, crushing, to be young and to find that your government can't be trusted. Today, it is acceptable because we're used to it.
@@jogrant3851 I'm an Australian and most are disillusioned by the govt! We've been conditioned to just accept what's going on. It needs t change and governments need to be thrown out and another system created that actually serves the people for the people. Manson is a nutter but makes some good arguments about government bodies. When is enough enough???
Hey Mark I LOVE that your blonde😍 hair is back. Luv it! You be you blondie, it's ur signature look, and I was really worried there for a few days! Phew thank goodness the world is right again lol 😥
Thank you guys so much for all you do and how much consideration you give us viewers. Every new case is a true learning experience! I have an unusual request but I'm really curious to see what conclusions you'd come to (from a body language pov only of course!). That is the case of Sandra Melgar. I just recently came across this in my True Crime travels and her case is really unsettling. The main reason is I'm not so sure she murdered her husband. I watched the 3 hour unedited interrogation and I don't know, I think they were really reaching on this one. Between the interrogation and an interview after her conviction I'd love to see what conclusions you four would come to. I was watching for clusters but to me she just seemed completely overwhelmed and even numb. I feel like this could be a good case to really see what could be mistaken for deception during an interrogation. Thanks again and please keep doing what you do!
Greg, I am forever in your debt for this one sentence, "The organism will continue to do what made it successful in the past." Every time I pull that line out, people's heads explode. They immediately conclude that I'm the smartest person in the room.
the organism must not know many people.
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Call me envious but that line from Darwin to myself every one can think of. Even abused women repeat things that were NOT GOOD for themselves but whose process they know.
Hello, Greg, Mark, Chase & Scott!
Having grown up in Los Angeles during the time of the Sharon Tate murders; I can tell you I was a about 10yrs old and happen upon a magazine in a Drs. office that told in detail about the Sharon Tate murders . I read it and was completely shocked and in disbelief that anyone in the world could have done or witnessed this murder. The whole world changed from everything is nice in the world to not. It rattled me to the core.
Having watched this episode I can’t say I’m sorry he has passed away. Good Riddance…..
Thank you Behavior Panel for your expertise and time .
See you again next week as always😊❤️
It was terrifying. I was 11 years old and up north. Of course, we had the zodiac killer. I’m amazed anyone gets nostalgic for the 1960s.
There we go, getting to salute all 4 panelists that make this awesome.
Some things are far better in a mix than the sum of the individual parts. This group is an example: Individually great, together explosive. 🎉
Making some kind of sense of the insane calms and educates the community.
Whether we agree or disagree on subjects, we join together in our great appreciation for this learning resource.
Since studying, I've learned to read subtle cues to stress, and, alerted by pre violence indicators, defused a confrontation. Thanks for the gifts.
It never stops to amaze me how many different things greg, scott, chace and mark are able to pull out from the videos. Love you guys.
Mark comments that PROBABLY "He's the type of guy who if he came into a room full of people sitting in chairs, he would turn his chair backwards" ... etc. I saw an interview with him where he is much older, and that is EXACTLY what he did with his chair. Good call Mark! 💯
Mark is always soo spot on with his conceptualizations ❤
Mark may have seen the same interview... just sayin...
@user-zx9ki8tk4r True ... yet once he said that, I started spotting people who do that ... and remembering people who'd done that in the past. He makes a good point.
That moment where Greg's cam starts playing up (around 35 mins). Chase & Scott, you both only get a C grade there for hiding laughter. Maybe a C- for Chase. But watching you pair trying to hold it in had me chuckling. Scott actually having to look away had me laughing.
Yet more great work gents. I hope everyone on the Panel has an amazing weekend. & much love to everyone from here in GB
Awesome! Thank you guys so much! You really read the comments! I’m so excited to see this. Like Bundy, Gacy, Dahmer, Ramirez etc. we’ve all seen a lot of footage of them but you guys manage to make it into something none of us has ever seen. A true learning experience ❤
I am from that generation. This is the first time I felt secure enough to listen to a Manson interview. He terrified me. Thanks guys. Yall did a great job.
My generation too.
It's no wonder he frightened so many. He and his followers were able to sneak into people's houses at night. He always seemed crazed to me, which is frightening, too.
I'm from LA and grew up in the San Fernando Valley, he terrified all of us.
I might be biased because I'm British but I absolutely love Marks input, he always explains things from a totally different perspective than the other guys even though he's usually agreeing with their points
Agreed; I was thinking earlier that I enjoy his being in the mix because his perspective and input provides a kind of counterpoint to the north-American, military-and interrogation- background of the others. I appreciate all of their perspectives but I think his inclusion is valuable for that reason.
He's my fav. I'm way too used to the American military guy mentality lol.
35:34 Scott and Chase trying not to laugh as Greg's stream started to break up a bit was classic 😂😂
4:12 this made my day, Greg. "Nobody wants to deal with crazy." Your delivery is hilarious.🤣
I asked for Charles Manson analysis like 1.5 months ago and I’m getting it!!! Thank you! ❤️❤️🙏🏻
Good things come to those who wait 😉
Me too!! I’m so excited!! 🤍
The king of creepy 👀
Love that Greg extends the definition of cult to military. I've heard the Panel also call a marriage a cult of two. Brilliant!
What your saying is interesting. It shows that there's a fine line between trying to convince someone vs. trying to indoctrinate someone. I think that's why it's so easy for so many people to get taken in by these cult leaders. Most of them act pretty normal and can be very smart, which gives them an advantage over a Manson type, who turned off a lot of people. He had to pick out the most vulnerable, broken people. Plus, he had the drug culture and 1960's anti-establishment, if it feels good, do it , generation to work with.
Mark is such a spice of life. Love listening to his thoughts and how he speaks. 😊❤🎉
I love it when Scott & Chase try to hold it together as Greg breaks up through his part 😅...love u guys!
You provide so much knowledge on different things. Keep doing what you're doing x
Greg has THE warmest smile. It makes me smile.
Wouldn’t like to be questioned/interrogated by him though I’d probably admit to something I didn’t do out of fear 😂
Hahaha 😂❤
Ok, I'm watching too much Behaviour Panel...had a dream last night that I was being interrogated by a tall, imposing man (not Greg, however) in battle fatigues, surrounded by others. I was sitting down and reached up and went "Boop!" and touched battle fatigue's nose. The room went still, in shock. Battle fatigue said to me, why did you do that? I said I watch the Behaviour Panel and this is one of the techniques to stop interrogation. Everyone laughed & let me go! I was amazed that my chicanery (please have Mark use this word more often) got me out of a tight spot.
I agree with the whole comment
Gregg is correct…”He was a miserable little man!” All the attention he got in life was pitching fits and acting crazy! He knew what he was doing and loved to confuse people
100%
I knew a few guys during the punk rock era who were stuck on stupid and were not unconvinced that he had wisdom.
Nope
No wise here
Move on
exactly what i said too about manson..just a hateful miserable human being... so vindictive and insecure...he loved messing with peoples minds and using them
It's funny you nobody's all try to ride off Charlie's name 😂
Scott, you nailed it. He’s medicated here. This is not his typical demeanor.
I was turning 13 when these murders happened. Manson has fascinated me ever since. Thanks for doing this one guys. As always, an entertaining learning experience.
Everyone's faces when Mark says he wouldn't call Scientology a cult on TH-cam 😂
Priceless!
@@rosered103 Mark: "Of course I would never, ever say that on youtube. Never!" 😂😂😂
I'm so glad you guys are covering cult leaders and how they recruit people. So good!
He sounds like 90% of the new age spiritualist on tiktok 😂
Request for Taylor Schabusiness next!!
Yes please!!
Oh yeah!!
Let's All change our names to Schabusiness
Who's business?
Same!
So glad to hear from all of you with this particular video of Charles Manson. Always like "your take" on various people, love your channel. 🤗
TIMESTAMPS FOR CLIPS SHOWN (Along with what the Panel discusses)
Clip One 00:38 (Things to look for: Emotional eye accessing, blink rate spike, repetition, teachers face, condemning & disdain smile [bless your heart gesture], clasped hands, mirroring)
Also discussed: Common behavior in Cult leaders. They use silence & repetition to appear wise.
Down right emotional eye accessing as baseline.
Neglected childhood.
Organism doing what made it successful.
Clip Two 12:30 (amusment, attempt to stroke ego, beard grooming [part of baseline], fake crying, adapting, clasped hands, open crotch, barriered arm, playing role of innocence, circular logic, blink rate increase.)
Abuse growing up.
Clip Three 21:12 (single shoulder shrug, preaching, chaffing & redirect, eyelid flutter.)
What cult leaders do best.
How to be a Cult leader.
'Rhyme as reason effect'.
Ambigious or nonsensical language, which can create mental confusion or cognitive dissonance.
Unusual language can serve to separate cult from the outside world.
Juvenile delinquency.
Clip Four 33:21 (emotional eye accessing, anger in face, charismatic laughter, mouth fidgeting [may be part of baseline])
Crack in false confidence (nodding, blink rate increase, smiling, facial touching).
Incarceration & lack of positive role models (huge contributer to criminal behavior later in life).
How to spot the anger even under facial hair.
Allotropic behavior (Pulls you in different directions).
Clip Five 38:36 (facial touching, hesitancy, eyebrow flash, approval seeking, muted head shake, pursed lips, respiration increase, list making behavior)
Clip Six 47:01 (narrowing of eyes, teaching face, superficial charm, anger, attempt to chaff & redirect)
Hallmarks of Mansons speech patterns (convoluted, circular, nonlinear).
Repitition & reversal, ambiguity & evasiveness, assertion of dominance, hypnotic repetition, indirect confirmation, non-sequitur.
Scientology.
Clip Seven 56:14 (Chaff & redirect)
Verbal excrement.
Messiah complex.
Mansons techniques: create doubt, insert confusion, amplify confusion, borrow from authority, tactical/artificial wisdom.
Mansons Formula: Create mystique, offer individualized attention, display assertive confidence, distort reality, promote the Us vs. Them mentality, and align with spiritual or ideological concepts.
Clip Eight 1:08:19 (adapters, large illustrators, lower lip withdrawal, compressed lips, emotional eye accessing)
Messiah Complex & paranoia.
Learned behavior.
Difference between persona & the person inside afraid to be seen.
Uniqueness of human beings.
Clip Nine 1:18:01 (lean in, looking under brow, mocking, inability to call someone a liar, vague ambigious language, lack of denial about accusations, attacking the other side, stress around vulnerability, artificial smiling, approval seeking behavior, & rapport building behavior)
Rational mind.
Manson tells us why he is the way he is.
A critical turning point in Manson was in 1957 after reading "How to win friends & influence people" by Dale Carnegie in prison. Specifically the quote "Let the other fellow feel that the idea is his."
Final Thoughts 1:25:41
Most telling question to ask someone would be for them to describe the motivation of other people & how they believe they think.
Thanks for another interesting episode gentlemen.
Thank you for the timestamps and what to look for in each one. Very help to study up with.
First of all, this was an awesome analysis, I’m a long-time cult obsessive and have a particular fascination with the Manson family, and this was really interesting discussion. Second, I have always wanted to suggest that the Behaviour Panel look at Susan Atkins, generally characterized as one of the more-unhinged Manson girls. It is actually through your dissection of other sociopathic women that I came to see Susan Atkins in a new light, and there are several interviews with her over her lifetime that chart her interesting progression and reveal a lot about her character.
I thought it was absolutely brilliant, how Scott said if you identify or agree with one thing he’s saying. It all starts making sense and then he’s got you . Chilling, you guys are the best ❤ 1:29:13
1:14:33 Coming from a mental health professional, what Chase said about the DSM V and how labels can become a self fulfilling prophecy was very well stated.
Scott trying not to lose it when Greg's video feed starts wigging out is everything.
Yesssss!! Finally you have made a Charles Manson video!!! Love it!! Thank you guys all!!
I’ve been watching you guys for a little while now, and I’m a little embarrassed to say that a lot of times I’m listening to hear your voices, cause they relax me, while I do other things. Although, I do find your info very interesting. So I was tickled when I found myself nodding along with one of you cause I had noticed the same thing while C. Manson spoke. I’m finally learning!!!!
For anyone curious about the interviewer, it was Mike Boyd of KCRA 3 out of Sacramento, California. This interview took place in 1980.
Poor Scott! 😅 Lol, he can’t keep it together when he sees Chase start to smile. 35:56 He literally has to cover his mouth and look away, to keep from cracking up. I love it 😄❤️
IMHO a focus on cult leaders and their methods is an invaluable public service - thank you
I can't believe how calm he is. In every other interview, he's raving
I have to tell you guys... I LOVE this show. I have been binge watching since I discovered it. I am so obtuse when it comes to people and to liars.. this is good for me to watch. Learning a lot. And whoever put the four of you together is a genius. You work so well together and compliment each other. I love when you are interacting and laughing. Thank you and keep the shows coming.
"he's a full-blown idiot" - love it Scott, this is such an Aussie saying!
I believe him when he says he never thought about helping anyone else.
26:00 when Chase mentions “Rhyme as Reason” the first thing to come to mind was the Reverend Jesse Jackson. No judgment of the man himself, just that’s what came to mind, because he rhymed alot. That and “If it does not fit, you must acquit.”, which was Johnny Cochran in the Simpson trial.
Well, I paused to make a comment and Hughes brings up Cochran. Didn’t know.
Greg's summary was pretty spot on! Good show, gents, it was torture having to watch Manson ramble, but your comments were gold.
I’m with all four you on this one, as usually every one-such phenomenal 411 from each of you.
I’ve never understood how panelists can pick one favorite, you’re all four my favorite
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I’d love to see your take on Keith Raniere as a cult leader, along with his relationship with Alison Mac. His branding of women just blew my mind!
A while ago on TH-cam I listened to parole hearings for Manson, Susan Atkins, and Leslie van Houten--the one who got released recently. Just listening to them as a lawyer, I thought Manson wasn't even trying; Atkins came across weird and phony; and van Houten was the model for "how you want your client to behave at parole hearings." (This was a hearing long before she actually got parole.) I would love to hear a compare-and-contrast by this panel between those three.
Chase explains cult-speak so well. Thank you,guys.
Mansion’s case was so astonishing, intriguing, and scary at the time. It was so good and helpful to hear that the reason he no longer has the ability to influence is that his technique no longer works as it is so far out of the context in which it was successful. Good stuff.
Chase and Scott holding their giggles and nearly laughed :) but Mark did think of it but then thought no, and Greg didnt notice when the stream had interferences but we saw him paused. So funny :)
Thank you behaviour panel for doing something on Charles Manson I asked a long time ago if you could do a segment on Manson and other members of his group particularly, Susan Atkins, tex Watson, leslie van Houten Patricia krenwinkle thank you guys.
Thanks for another interesting analysis, gentlemen. I would love to see a compilation of various cult leaders so you can identify the body language tactics they all share. I would also love to see one focusing on Scientology, especially those in the public eye who’ve escaped. It would be interesting to see their body language when they were in compared to after they got out.
Chase is Spot On. Manson is good at spotting victims who will fall for his mumbo jumbo
I was homeless in high school, and Charles Manson just reminds me of the homeless people I’d come across that had a couple screws loose, I don’t know how people thought he was charming
He was a lot younger than this interview, he wrote songs, knew some famous people and maybe was more charming when facing young ladies under 20 and guys who wanted to make some money, sell drugs or have a lot of sex.
That's a rough go, Megumi. Congrats on making it through and coming out the other side.
Its real hard to see Manson and understand the reaction " let's get us some of that!"
@@zerowheeler I know, I hace seen his old interviews, his trials, his photos from the ranch surrounded by women, even then you could tell he wasn’t right in the head. I guess everyone was just seeking enlightenment through whomever strayed the course of normalcy, but he was always wacky (putting it nicely) and his music didn’t impress anyone much at least when they were interviewed. I just don’t see the appeal. Sign of the times
@@MeghanReads I think they were all damaged folk looking for a new family, lost souls.
@@zerowheeler ripe pickings for cult leaders to this day
Manson apparently did 150 hours of Scientology auditing in the 60's. Following his time in the church, he said that the religion was ”too crazy.” I didn't make the link before, but now I can see it in his mannerisms, the stare...
then maybe he was under a spell too.
That would f anybody up.
The moral of this story....take care of your children 💙
Scott trying not to laugh and compose himself after Greg is frozen...as Chase tries not to look at Scott...as Mark looks up noticing something is going on that he must have missed. Greg looks like he knows something is off but moves on. Scott still trying not to laugh............... I was hysterical!!!!
Dang. You need your own channel. You miss nothing. 😮
Thanks my Darlings - great video! UK watching...thankyou 😘
"An absolute dog's dinner" 😂😂👌🏻 love you Mark
Thanks, y'all. I've watched a lot on Manson, but I'm sure others learned more and I enjoyed the analysis. Any chance Lori Vallow Daybell finally speaking at her sentencing or anything more on Taylor Schabusiness on the horizon? Especially Schabusiness--her body language absolutely baffles me!
Schabusiness was very odd. I've never seen anyone like her. I watched her while her Dad, and those psychologists were testifying about her mental health and background, after she was found guilty, but before the final sentencing. I could definitely see a change in her manner with each one. She looked happy when her Dad was talking about her. She sat up and really listened to him and exchanged "I love you" with him as he walked by to leave. Then she started her weird frown and facial expressions during the psychologist who spoke against her,. While the other person who spoke more for her innocence, her face had none of the contortions. She seemed very relaxed. My belief is that she has Borderline Personality Disorder. She's a real manipulator, shown by her very different expressions with the people, as I described. I, too, would love to get the Panel's analysis on her.
Request for an interpretation of Kevin Spacey's behaviour around allegations
Yes 👍
I've been waiting years and years for this now I'm 3 weeks late but better late than never😊
This was yet another interesting, fantastic episode. Scott I spied you trying to conceal a chuckle at one point in the episode. Please continue brining us this top notch content 🎉
Still smiling at scott's take on manson. "He's an idiot." Love it.
I said it along with him lol but idk if it's just great minds think alike 😅
It's like we're disappointed he's not very smart at all 😅
Mark’s reactions were just spot on. He thinks this guy is an idiot and not worth wasting time on. I agree. Mark is always thoughtful and deep in his assessments. This time he spotted the idiocy right out of the gate and kept his answers pointed and accurate IMO.
"... But when you get him in the bright light he's just a miserable little man."
-Greg Hartley
🎯🎯🎯
I wouldn't characterize him like that
He was printing books running record labels selling CDs
Donating to animal liberation front
And Earth liberation front
And he was a good artist and he was selling artwork
He was a man that was fuked over by the system
But he never let that hold him back he kept doing good 👍‼️😊💯
The Rock group Marilyn Manson was named after him partly
Numerous groups recorded his music
He sold t-shirts with his face and name
So cry a little harder and cope and seethe
I don't find him charismatic in the least, in fact he gives me the proper creeps!
That flash of anger at the interviewer after the two and fro was undeniable and chilling.
Mark is right, he enjoys not giving a straight answer, and talks a load of crazy bunkum.
An ex of mine used to say "paranoia pays", he turned out to be a wannabe career criminal and diagnosed narcissistic psychopath.. I make that point for what it's worth.
It's interesting to see all the different types of manipulation.
Once these people's masks finally slip, you can't unsee the scary reality.
To my mind, to know one true narcissist is to know them all.
Love all four of you guys' views and observations. Thankyou Scott for all the hard work you put into these educational videos! ❤
He's not some extraordinary guru but he's right. "The people that run your lives aren't very nice." If only he has an opportunity to explain what he knows.
He's just saying people in charge are not nice.. He has a problem with authority but he isn't smart and knows nothing apart from crime
What I have found interesting is that Manson had read the book "How to win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnegie. He had actually credited this book in order to get people to do what he wanted.
A book that has sold 30 million copies, and is considered mandatory reading for many business people.
I love that Scott usually says out loud my internal dialogue and then he chuckles Kills me every time. Hug-Hes if you know, you know.
😮 You and me would get along great.
Someone once said to me “Why have you never married? Even Charles Manson found a spouse!” After seeing this, I think that says more about him than me!!
Hilarious 🎉
There's an official name for the bizarre attraction some people have to killers and the like:
>>Hybristophilia is a paraphilia involving sexual interest in and attraction to those who commit crimes.
A GENIUS IS ALWAYS AGENIUS...SELF MASTERY IS THE NAME OF THE GAME !
My mother, a tough woman raised in poverty during the Depression, once listened to him on a televised rant about how society held people back, what it's like to be oppressed, blah, blah. (Some of what he said did make sense at times, of course, as cult leaders do.) She said, "He's right." I answered, "Yes, and he is also responsible for the brutal deaths of several people. I wouldn't believe him if he said water was wet."
Your mother is wiser than you are. It is important to hear what people say and evaluate it. Otherwise someone who looks good and hasn't gotten caught can take you anywhere. "He was a great guy I didn't even have to check if the water was wet."
@@paulaegraham Even a village idiot can speak truth on occasion, but that doesn't mean his discourse is all valid. When that village idiot is a murderer who can't keep his ass out of prison for more than a year or two at a stretch, I don't much care what he has to say, even if there are crumbs of truth sprinkled into the madness.
@@paulaegraham "You're mother is wiser than you"?
No way to make your point without the out down, the hostility ? Might could at least try.
But water is wet, you're mother is jus more honest than most. Truth isn't determined by the character of who says it. A broken clock is right twice a day, yet we dont pearl clutch at that fact lol
@@NerdySabbath If you want to be a Manson fan because he happened to say something that had a grain of truth to someone, it's all the same to me. Charlie was the scum of the earth, but if someone wants to be a groupie, I really don't care. Even the most despicable excuses for humans occasionally make sense.
And it's "your" when used as a possessive pronoun in the adjective case.
This is one of the most useful subjects the Panel have analysed. There are literally thousands of people, young and older, on the internet, who think Manson is wonderful, and innocent. The Panel’s descriptive analysis of this conman is excellent. One of the most common descriptions of him, by people who came across him, other than the Family, was that he was a ‘sneaky little guy’. That one line probably sums him up best of all. Anyone taken in by Manson needs to have a good look at themselves.
I think it was Mark who said it was "the perfect grift" and I couldn't agree more.
When we say “bless your heart or bless her/his heart” we do mean it many times in a kindhearted way
But not always😏 I have definitely heard it both ways.
@@morticiaheisenberg9679 fair enough
I grew up in an abusive cult and left so I absolutely hate people like this. If it doesn't make sense, if it hurts people, if I have to do mental gymnastics to figure out why we're doing it, I'm OUT!
Lies are believed by those who hate the truth.
Are we seeing the product of a human who wasn't raised by other humans, but by penal institutions his whole life? Who was never socialized, never taught right and wrong, only whatever needs to be done for survival? When he asks "Teach me what 'Help is', I wonder if he really means it - that he doesn't understand the concept of 'help', from one human to another.
What prevents me from believing that he doesn't know what "help" is, is the fact that later he talks about all the people in prison who are "helping" him. How could he know that they are "helping" him, but not understand what "help" is?
He was playing with the interviewer with that question basically laughing in their face at what they thought help was versus what he thought help was. He learned what their brand of help was in and out of multiple institutions and he hated the "help" he received there in the form of beatings, etc. He was being sarcastic by saying that.
"His brain and thoughts are a dogs dinner." Mark's quips are always so clever. Love it! Lol
The favorite Manson interview is the 1986-ish one with Charlie Rose. I had it on VHS and watched it many times in the late '80s.
Request for Oscar Pistorius especially in the courtroom! Edit: already covered. You guys are awesome!
Scientology's David Miscavige's Interview with Ted Koppel would be interesting to see.
Chase is a genius
1:11:45-ish I have to agree with Greg, and Chase's follow-up. I think we got a little peek into some actual emotion or "real"-ness. Something Manson doesn't like to expose...especially to "authority", imo. He works to consistently push away, push down, any expression or emotion the would expose his vulnerabilities. I think the definitive narcissism and megalomania are "skills" he developed as defense mechanisms through his abusive youth, and is what has "made the organism successful". It worked especially well with his followers. His apparent "bravado" strengthened his superiority over other broken, lost, young people...while appeasing his own ego. A "two-fer". He is one extremely damaged human.
I truly appreciate the analysis through the "psychology lens" you've been bringing lately, Greg & Chase. Fascinating.
This was great guys ! Amazing breakdown ! Respect
Manson always reminded me of the Wizard of Oz..."Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"
At 35:41 when gregs video glitches it was all scott could do to stay composed. Even chase was having a hard time
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He ordered his acolytes to carry out his barbarism and never once said, "I feel sorry for these people and the unborn child". His level of of depravity is unconscionable.
Sorry I missed the premiere and live chat. I just started watching now and know it's going to be brilliant. Thanks to @The Behavior Panel for all their hard work and fascinating insights. I'd join their cult. I might already be in it. 👁
I love Greg's "final thoughts".👍 If you guys analyze more Manson videos it's just gonna be a wild ride of insanity & downward spiral...But, I'd watch!!🤩 Great video, gentlemen. Thx!💗💗💗💗
I love Scott. On Jimmy Saville, "HE"S NOT FUNNY" on Manson "HE"S AN IDIOT!" I'd love to see a breakdown of Marianne Williamson on Hasan.
Scott is my favorite! He doesn’t try to be politically correct or diplomatic. We can always trust him to say exactly what he thinks. It makes him more relatable. ❤️
My mom and my biodad both had some stories about Manson. My mom was close friends with Old Man Spawns daughter, around the time Charlie started coming around. Both said he was a nutjob... my dad says that they got into it one night over Manson claiming to be the messiah.... My mom said she always steered clear of that group, but said her and her boys used to lay on a hill and take shots on him and his followers. Oh! the stories of growing up in LA in 60s, I wish my mom would have written a book, because her shenanigans were the best.
What does that mean? (Take shots on him?)
@zerowheeler She said they would lay on a hill and shoot at them. I've always assumed she meant like BB guns, but maybe she meant real guns. She said that they liked to make them dance, lol, I guess. Unfortunately, my parents have been gone for quite some time now, so I have no way of knowing now.
@@lvgelfling72 oh wow! I like that image of making Manson dance! 😉I’m from U.K. so excuse me not knowing! 😂
@@zerowheeler Hahaha. That is ok. My mom's stories of growing up in LA in the 50s and 60s were endless. 😊
This isn't related to Manson but I would love to hear you guys analyze Karla Komolka or Paul Bernardo! Love the show!!
Yes would love that!
This analysis is pertinent to so many cult leaders. Thanks for sharing.
The best part for me was hearing Manson accurately explain why he is the way he is. He didn’t know how to function in the real world once he got out of jail, etc. Great stuff.
the ruptured duck is an honorable service lapel pin that GI's were given at the end of their time to signify federal service between 1925-46. Never heard the 101st referred to as the ruptured ducks.
Great correction-Greg Here
Thanks to Greg and yourself for clarifying I initially thought it was more of his gibberish
I need Greg to read to us some spooky stories with that lighting.
I am so easily annoyed by nonsensical people like this. They talk in circles and say nothing but think they are so smart and deep. It’s insulting 😅
Politicians. Hahahha
When Manson first spoke my immediate thought was 'it seems that all cult leaders are stupid and talk rubbish ' confirmed by Chase in his first thoughts.
Thank you Behaviour Panel. One of the concepts you guys often bring up is: the organism does what made it successful (i.e. how was this individual created?). This criminal - strangely enough - really held up a mirror to us as a society and it's deeply unsettling to watch: a not-so-sane society that promotes and rewards cunning exploitation and manipulation at every level. You guys remind us all the time: from the corporate world to bootcamp. Take this further and one uncovers sth which beggars belief: the very same themes in this interview also play out in that famous 1997 high-profile interview that was recently written off. If one ventures to compare the latter interview to the former, one can notice that - in both - you basically have two completely opposite personalities (man without empathy versus one with too much empathy for her own good) whose opposite behaviours originated from the same psychological process, albeit different circumstances. Anybody who still remembers that interview would vaguely recall some ideas expressed by the iconic speaker, sth along the lines of: isolating experience, was confused, nobody sat me down and told me what to do, couldn't cope with the pressures, was seen as a basket case, either sink or swim kind of situation, gradually drawn towards those rejected by society, the man on the street, here to do good for ppl feeling unloved, ppl gave me healing, they carried me through, maybe there's a lot of ppl who need sb in public life to support them,...etc. Again: two totally opposite outcomes/personalities; yet, the similar psychological processing (i.e. seeing themselves as misfits/social outcasts) was at work and can't be missed. Would appreciate it if one could get insight as to how that can even be possible or explained?! Thanx again.
My outlandish theory is that Manson isn’t even psychotic or crazy, but learned from somebody in his life or in the system who was completely psychotic and charismatic and he admired the magnetism he observed of this individual and learned in an almost perfect manner how to replicate it. He wasn’t smart, but genius streetwise and smart enough to know the only hope for upward progression would be through others and their vulnerability.
Interesting. Could well be 🤔
If he was street smart or any kind of smart he wouldn't have spent his life in jail
Manson reminds me of a compilation of so many patients I dealt with in psych facilities I worked in.
And so I make my first comment: on this particular vid about Manson. I may have others,but I post this now at the beginning to demonstrate how muddled our thinking was back then. What does this mean? I first learned we had such a thing that was called a " president" when I was 7 years old. I learned that this "presiden person" called Kennedy was killed when I was in second grade. I didn't Really know what a president was,but I was very sad. I began to learn later about the Vietnam war and the lies about it. Then next, the Civil rights movement entered my awareness. And MLK was assassinated. Then Bobby. The Nixon debacle started around 1972 and he resigned in 1974 when I was 18. I learned about the lies that government could do and it was shocking. These were my formative years concerning information about "politics" and our "leaders" not being nice guys. I'm really lucky I didn't meet up with Charlie around this time because I was seeking for someone/ something that made sense. And I was young...Just some insight to other watchers so that they can understand how lost we were back at that age. More later maybe as I continue to watch.
That's a really good point to describe the political environment at that time. And yes, Manson' thinking would have been very attractive to people back then who could see what was really going on, and there was a lot of corruption going on in government, we know that is true. It must have been a terrible time, crushing, to be young and to find that your government can't be trusted. Today, it is acceptable because we're used to it.
@@jogrant3851 I'm an Australian and most are disillusioned by the govt! We've been conditioned to just accept what's going on. It needs t change and governments need to be thrown out and another system created that actually serves the people for the people. Manson is a nutter but makes some good arguments about government bodies. When is enough enough???
Hey Mark I LOVE that your blonde😍 hair is back. Luv it! You be you blondie, it's ur signature look, and I was really worried there for a few days! Phew thank goodness the world is right again lol 😥
Thank you guys so much for all you do and how much consideration you give us viewers. Every new case is a true learning experience!
I have an unusual request but I'm really curious to see what conclusions you'd come to (from a body language pov only of course!). That is the case of Sandra Melgar. I just recently came across this in my True Crime travels and her case is really unsettling. The main reason is I'm not so sure she murdered her husband. I watched the 3 hour unedited interrogation and I don't know, I think they were really reaching on this one. Between the interrogation and an interview after her conviction I'd love to see what conclusions you four would come to. I was watching for clusters but to me she just seemed completely overwhelmed and even numb. I feel like this could be a good case to really see what could be mistaken for deception during an interrogation. Thanks again and please keep doing what you do!
Greg, when you said that you and Chase were in a cult, my first thought was, "wait a minute, I'd like to know more about that right there."
They're from the South, so i'm guessing Jehovah's Witnesses.