Dr G is my joint fave with you guys!! Both channels have massively helped an autistic 49 year old be a great deal better at having an awareness of what certain behaviours, mannerisms, gestures and vocal tones might indicate. I got to an older age before I found out that I hadn't ever registered/considered people's intentions. It was a shock, and took a while to accept it. Now I am more aware/alert, and it has also been a joy to feel able to learn something again, and feel such sparks of interest!!
@@pampayne55 That's very kind of you to say, thank you. I do have empathy. Unfortunately/fortunately I have lived with hyper-empathy. It has been debilitating at times. Incredibly painful too, and very confusing. It has always been reading people which has escaped me. That's more scary than hyper-empathy, for me personally. I have got better at it recently!
I agree. I had a brain tumor in my right frontal lobe and lost some abilities or connections in being able to process language as well as social cues. I listen to these guys and realize my shortcomings and working on reprogramming my thoughts and actions in communication. Thanks guys you rock!
@@Nina-pp7lhWith all the latest knowledge about brain "plasticity" ... and how the brain can rewire itself, I hope watching videos like this helps your brain to create a workaround for anything that's been lost. 🙏
Yes I felt the same. Like this guy was given this assignment with noooo idea what the subject was and this guy is so crazy domineering and narcissistic that he laughs to cover his lack of comfort
I knew a serial killer. My friend and neighbor introduced me to him and he came by my apartment several times for coffee and danish/donuts. He invited me to go somewhere, my boyfriend was invited as well, but something happened to me when he arrived that day that saved my life. I opened the door and I literally lost my breathe, like it was sucked out of me and i said, without thinking, "I changed my mind!" and slammed the door. I don't know what happened in that moment. Perhaps i read his body language or something at a more subtle energy made me aware. He murdered probably 25 or more people, two of my friends. I'm very fortunate and always tell others to listen to their instincts about people.
Scott really got my attention with his description of a manipulator, or psychopath, as someone controlling you by controlling the doses, ‘drops’, of dopamine like a drug to get you to follow them. Very powerful and incredibly helpful to take notice of someone telling you everything you didn’t even know you wanted to hear and ask yourself if they could be feeding you dopamine for their own benefit. Thank you Scott! All 4 of you guys blew me away with specific observations and references from a seemingly very boring interview!
I can't stand to even hear his voice, because that was the last voice those poor girls heard. It makes my skin crawl, to hear his voice. I can hear this monster saying vile things to them, as he held them in his hands. He's sick, and I'm SO glad that the investigators never gave up...The Lost Girls.. In the search for Shannan, SHE brought the police to these bodies. God bless her.
I watch every episode, why am I just now noticing how well they hide their own feelings about each other’s opinions during the observations. That’s a skill I need. My husband says he can hear me rolling my eyes.
I remember that there was a serial killer who had been on the dating game… you may know from reading, I believe that I heard it on the news (which is telling my age-somewhat)
Mark, your description of what he must be like to be around at home is a very precise description of what it's like being around my dad. He is VERY tedious and just wants us all to sit for several hours and listen to him make speeches like this guy. HE thinks he's interesting and an authority but really he's just a grandiose bore, as you said. My dad is 100% a narcissist who likes to control the entire conversation because he feels he's so smart and interesting. He is visibly annoyed when other relatives are around, having enjoyable conversations without him. There's no placating laughter from me! I just roll my eyes and wait for the visit to be over.
My blood runs cold whenever I see Rodney Alcala’s face! I grew up in 70’s California and one day while walking to the store with friends, I was stopped by a guy that told me that he, “was an art student at Cal State Hayward and needed to take portrait photos for his photography class and could he take mine?” Obviously I had no idea until years later that I made a lucky escape from the “Dating Game Killer.” There were so many elements of our meeting that I always assumed were coincidence until I listened to the podcast about him. Not one element was coincidence. Not one. Blood. Chilling.
Glad you escaped! Had my own not as scary but definitely creepy interaction with Alcala. Figure drawing class at UCIrvine, '70ish. In walks the model, fit guy, big hair, wearing a black G string. up until then, models were fully nude. The black G string just looked like a big black arrow: "look at me!" Was actually more uncomfortable than full nudity, with his preening attitude. During the break, he sidled up and engaged males in the class (thankfully), but his whole demeanor was much like the Dating Game video. Recognized him right away when he was arrested and his picture was in the OC Register Paper. Glad I wasn't on that jury. What a creep.
Burbank was where I ran into Alcala. The equestrian center, he was "with the Times" and "doing a story" on horse riding. No, Acala had zero coincidence in anything. Took a long while to realize a) who he was, b) that I was vulnerable, and c) it actually happened. I am grateful both/all of us somehow was not his "type" and are here to tell our tale, as it were.
Oh wow, @soowzy that actually does sound traumatizing. It’s interesting that he chose to wear the black G string, and would probably make for interesting psychological analysis… obviously nothing to do with modesty, likely all about power. (Unless he was “masking” a source of shame or inferiority. Hmmm…) 😆 My dad was a professional photographer and I had actually just gotten into big trouble for “ducking the camera” when he went to take a candid shot of me just a few weeks before I ran into Alcala. It helped to create the perfect storm. I actually called the FBI case agent after seeing the story on 48 hours or 20/20 to enquire about the area that I lived and if they could verify that it was within his hunting ground and was told, “absolutely.” I would really like to go and volunteer to help scan and post the thousands of photos that RA took during his reign of terror. I think it would be cathartic. Have you listened to The Dating Game Killer podcast? It’s chilling! What is most disturbing is how many times he committed absolutely heinous crimes, was given a slap on the wrist, and was then freed to assault and kill again! Just shocking! It was really eye-opening to me with regard to the value, or lack there of, placed on girls and women. I hope that’s changing… 😵💫😵💫 Thank you so much for sharing your experience. I believe that in sharing our stories we find common ground and together we can process and heal the trauma! XO
My dad is a narcissist and to avoid confrontation and him criticizing me and hurting me, I become overly agreeable. If he feels threatened he will defend and by proxy, attack. So I have to put him at ease and make sure he knows I’m on his side and he is smart and funny and right. So I laugh and just tell him he’s funny and right. Similarly to the interviewer. Not saying he was consciously making those choices here, but I could see myself in a similar situation.
What a wonderful behavior lesson from Chase, Greg, Mark & Scott. All the examples were so well described by all four of you from different angles. Jim Smyth was verbally calm taking down of Russell Willams I don’t think I could ever forget that video. I had no idea Williams flew Queen Elizabeth II & Prince Philip on a plane! Yes, hiding in plain sight! I always learn something new from watching the Behavior Panel. Scott, FYI I just ordered the book “ Snakes That Wear Suits “ thank you for recommending it. Thank you all for sharing your valuable knowledge and time with us. See you next week as always❣️
Greg explained why Rex’s mannerisms remind me of George Castanza from Seinfeld! Though, I could hardly focus on Rex because the interviewer was as animated as the mad hatter! Mark explained that one. Thanks guys
I need to take a moment to acknowledge and thank each of you for presenting this information as you have. The manner of how this was introduced and the demeanor of the team is so perfectly somber. Please please recognize the horror being revealed as this investigation continues. I appreciate so much how this subject today has been produced and delivered. I've loved you guys from the outset but you have won my absolute respect today. thank you.
Greg, Scott, Mark and Chase: I love the different perspectives you highlight-and the places where they all connect. It’s all very interesting. Learning a lot from you!
Just note - he talks about his first job with Harvey - a girl went missing from the same business in like 1991 or something while he was working there.
I swear Chase and Mark are brothers from another mother. They love taking the mick out of each other, I love it. I wish you could put bloopers in these also. This is another great video as always , and yes I was shocked that colonel Russell Williams flew our monarchy and I totally agree with Scott that he didn't just wake up one day in his 50's-60's and killed two people I believe he killed way before that. Thanks guys your doing really great work for us to learn and be vigilant. 🥰👍👏👏👏🇬🇧
Chase and Mark,'s read on the interviewer is spot-on...guy is getting spooked. 5 minutes talking to this serial killer and you can see the interviewer starting to wilt.😮
@@MayThereBeWorldPeace Who knows. But the interview alone was enough to sense that Rex is off. He can’t connect with people. If you haven’t seen it yet, a woman who went on a date with him was recently interviewed, and she was so creeped out, she ended it early and told her friends she believed he was the LISK… always listen to your gut.
I wonder why the interviewer is laughing so much? I’m not seeing anything funny. I am always so impressed with all of you and the nuances you see. Thank you so much for the enjoyable education.
Did y’all catch the interview of Rex’s interviewer this week where he describes the death grip that was Rex’s handshake? I think that poor guy inherently knew something was so wrong and his nervous laughter was his psyche’s panic alert.
When I was about 20 I used to work in a car service garage where a regular customer would come in and take delight in crushing my hand whilst smiling in my face the whole time, to the point at which I just stopped putting my hand forward when he did (even though it made it temporarily awkward) after he fractured a bone on the back of my hand. Clearly some weird show of power so I never let it show on my face he was hurting me or that I knew it was deliberate. Weirdo.
@@likeasoldier777 I’m aware that’s an option. I figured this guy had it. I don’t know the dudes name. Don’t know how to look it up. I’ll figure it out but I thought I’d ask
I was confused for awhile because I found the interviewer more disturbing than the serial killer. It was difficult for me to understand or relate to the actual killer because of the insane laughter, expressions and behavior from the interviewer.
I was gonna say the same thing. And the scarf. A lot of people from that region of the world come off awkward when they move to The U.S. and he's one of them. They're too pandering. It has to do with their original country's cultural norm. He's probably fine in his native land. (and he seems like a nice person which is often seen as an easy mark here in the States where males are taught to be more along the lines of the strong and silent type like Greg up there is.)
@@ael5629Still, I totally get that guy. It IS a cultural thing. Dressing like that is also a cultural thing. In NYC, the interviewer would be considered "a bit much" ... but the supplicating behavior can be seen in some parts of the culture. The overly laughing thing is for him a way of communicating "You are a wonderful 'raconteur', and your jokes are very funny indeed!" Thank you Mark for the phrase "florid raconteur". As fun as that is ... Rex either thinks he is, or wants to be this great "raconteur" ... and the interviewer is acting like: "Yes! You are! Oh, this is just wonderful!" Niw the interviewer doesn't believe that for a second, but it's one way to play it safe around a hostile bully.
If Rex is the killer like they say he is , he was probably thinking this guy was sent in to check him out, this is the feeling I get when I watch this., you have to be thinking about being set up 24/7 when and if you're living with things like they say he did on your conscience . . .
It's easy to see how this guy blended in in NYC. I lived there for 12 years. There are a lot of obnoxious braggarts like this guy in NYC, who talk big, and where skirting the rules was something to be very proud of. This guy is very proud of how he read the Bldg Code so well that he could find loopholes in it. I saw SO MANY versions of this behavior, it barely stands out.
@@kristykanen9315 Pretty much yes. Especially when Trump was, similar to this guy, in the Building and Construction Business ... it was the same kind of "big talk" business. It was an NYC thing, and he was the most famous for this kind of thing. But yeah. Very NYC. Easy to blend in.
@@kristykanen9315 yes - who knows they could be related. Both from good German stock. And growing up a stones’ throw from each other and working in Manhattan, they share more than a few mannerisms as well.
Scott is also much more handsomer than Chase is. That’s the comment we get the most. As well, he’s hilarious. Most say “Scott is a hoot and a half”. We happen to believe he’s 2 hoots. And you know what else people say? They say Scott has kind eyes. And you know what? I think so too. We all do. We just think he’s the coolest. (This is one of the other guys on the panel replying. Not Scott.)
Did anyone else notice the window in the background behind this guy that has the blinds all messed up like someone has been peeking out of them? It is like a foreshadowing of the creepy to come!😮
I read the fact that he is a code expert differently. I work as an architect in a different city and what he is describing about "negotiating" the code is pretty accurate. I spent years designing Nursing homes, they don't exactly fit the code and to make them functional we have to engage in a great deal of negotiation with the regulatory bodies. The accessibility codes are written for independence and individuals in group homes or in nursing homes are by definition not independent. Something as simple as showering someone in a nursing home requires two to three nurses/aids. That many people simply do not fit into a 30"x60" shower (the largest allowed by ADA). So the code isn't appropriate in that instance and there currently isn't a code that is. So we go off of industry guidelines and work out deals with the city and explaining this to them (this is actually something they usually readily acknowledge). But we still have to document all decisions for a particular building. And a different owner may want different adjustments. The same conversation happens around older buildings. It can be utterly impossible to update them to meet existing codes without tearing them down and starting over. But code officials often ignore the addendums to codes that accommodate this. So in we go with our code books armed with chapter and verse to argue with them. Additionally, very time a new code is adopted, we have issues with the inspectors trying to enforce the newest code on buildings that were already under construction when the code went into effect - we are required to meet the code in effect at the time of permitting not the code in effect at the time of completion. Buildings can take years to build and code changes of mere inches can have very dramatic and expensive implications. I just went through this with a code change to the size of bathroom stalls. The latest code made the accessible stall 4" bigger in both directions. We are built and there is nowhere to get the extra 4" - but we do meet the code that we were permitted under and that is the legal requirement. For what it is worth - I see someone who really enjoys living on the edge of the requirements, finding the loopholes, and besting other people's arguments. He likes to test the rules, see how far he can push them and what he can get away with. All of these things are pretty common traits of people who are good at what he does. He's into being in control of the rules. The rules are subject to his mental powers. It is about manipulation. Not so much him liking rules. Though he does like making other people follow the rules.
I'm so glad to see y'all analyze Rex Heuermann. Fascinating stuff. One thing that really jumped out at me about the interviewer and his laughter is that this guy was extremely uncomfortable. I think Rex gave this poor guy the ick. Some people, myself included, laugh when we're uncomfortable. Fawning. I'd wager this interviewer is about to crawl out of his skin to get away from this guy.
I worked for NYC back in the day and the Building Department was one of my clients. I am wondering if I ever had to deal with Heuermann on something like a permit denial or building code violation. By the way, as a lawyer for the NYC Building Department and other agencies, I had to read the codes, too. And I will assure you the building inspectors know those codes, too! So do the administrators/commissioners the inspectors answer to. His self-aggrandizing that he told the City how to do its job is incredible and a bit ludicrous!
He was probably the guy the boss sent to look for the loopholes and inconsistencies between statutes in the code. Sending him down a rabbit hole got rid of him for a while.
@@marilynnlewis8400 very true. And, if the commissioner was the person I think it was, he was taking great pleasure in putting Heuerman in his place by ignoring him for six hours
Yes Scott, insecure grown men can be very dangerous. They can appear confident, but when alone with a victim, they let their true colors fly! Nobody sees this but the victim, sadly. Even then, sometimes the victim never sees it coming with a shot to the back of the head. You all are helping to shine the spotlight on these evil people. Thank you!
oh my God, the discussion about breath as a conversation flooded my mind with memories of my narcissistic father never giving me a chance to speak. he never stop talking long enough to hear a response not just for me but from anyone. he could drone on for hours almost putting you in a trance. It was one of the most toxic and frustrating things about my father other than the fact that he was a constant know it all, would repeat the same stories over and over and to perfect them.
I totally agree with you, Jessica. But tell me you haven’t used the term “in the wild.” I use it and laugh inside every time I drop it in a conversation. Scott has a couple hand gestures that make me laugh, too. One is what I’d call a maniacal or evil genius exaggerated manipulator, he uses it when he’s happy and there’s a psychopath on deck. 😊 The other one is hard to describe, but it’s where he is indicating “one” with his index finger up, all other fingers making a circle at the palm and his wrist faces away from him, then he swiftly flicks his wrist rotating the “soft underbelly 😜” of his wrist and entire forearm so his palm ends up facing himself and his entire hand rises about 2-5” during this swift motion. This gesture, depending on the context, can mean different things, but I laugh every time he does it because it looks like he’s performing the world’s fastest and shallowest proctological exam. 😂😂😂 It’s an “ah-HA” gesture or “eureka” or maybe even “up yours” in some cultures or circumstances? Regardless, the man makes me laugh!!! …and he’s so damned handsome too ❤😉🤗
So interesting. Love all the guy’s’ perspectives. Chase resonates with me the most because I feel he is extra sensitive to people’s vibes. And he’s very honest, not concerned with ruffling feathers.
When you said someone laughing about a kid being hurt is not normal it reminded me when I was a kid and in our TV's appeared those "funny" home videos from USA where someone gets hurt and everyone laughs. It was so different from how jokes were in my country at that time that I remember we all family sitting and watching and going - ohh, o no, that's awful, he could have died... - and couldn't understand how can those be called funny, it was awful to watch and made heart hurt. We thought that all americans must be some psychopaths or something to laugh and present such things as funny.
To a woman, this man is IMPOSING. Hes an entire foot taller than most Women, overweight with broad body. I can’t imagine a man like this unleashing his anger and sexual perversion on these poor girls. Can’t imagine the terror they must have felt.
Yes, you would not be able to get away. I think that's why he liked prostitutes, he didn't see them as people. Because they work in a dangerous world and other women would get a vibe from him.
and his Wife looks nothing like these females! I'm convinced his murderous ways have nothing to do with his home life. It's 2 different worlds that he could separate. I do think he really was a Family Man. I also think he had his dark fantasy life. We really need to know his Motives. The Interview is very odd, that he speaks about his Hammer and it does sound very murderous. Like He thinks as a Murderer, he's relating to another Man as a violent being without telling him He is a Murderer. Like "You Know what I saying, Right?" Ohh Yeah *Wink Wink* Nod....WE ALL Murder Women at Night! Yeah Totally. It's very Brotherhood. It's very American Psycho. It's very politican. It's very in Your face. Why was this Man being Interviewed in the first place?
What Greg said about " People who talk at you, not with you", and the breathing Chase pointed out...If you watch people who always talk over you ..they are not really listening to you...they are impatiently waiting to start talking again.
The cabinet makers hammer comment gave me chills. "It is persuasive enough...." I know I'm hearing his comment with the knowledge of what he is accused of, but still was a creepy feeling.
Who hasn't been looking for lisk. I know they did a good investigation because they have been looking at certain people for years. And this guy is exactly right physically too.
@@unfrozencavemanlawyer3950 oldest interest I'm the world, even biblical, cane and Abel. We have been aware of crime since we could think existentially.
37:00 wow Chase nailed this. This appears to be what's going on with the interviewer. I relate to this interviewer a lot and also interview professionally. He struck me as a highly empathetic person who's tuned in to the subject to the extent that, as Chase puts it, he might unconsciously sense something's awry. I've also spoken to people JUST like this subject, and felt exactly the same way.
My ex was a sociopath, charming, glib, superficial. He is middle eastern with a romantic and eloquant use of language. I was me mesmerised. He had a treble life, a profession, an enforcer, husband, father and womaniser. None of which were revealed until a third party warned me. The result was rape, threatened with a pistol and money stolen from my life savings. There were no angry word, no physical violence. He smiled while he threatened. I have learned, I have forgiven. They are among us, they feel no remorse or empathy.
I'm so sorry for what you went through. Nobody deserves that treatment, except people like your ex. You were the perfect victim they search for. I hope you have peace now and have learned who not to interact with. Much love!
I have a question for you guys! Can you please consider doing an episode where each of you shares a couple of stories about favorite moments/career highlights from times where you've utilized your skills to help bring a favorable outcome to a real life situation? I would love that so much. Please and thank you.
Greg actually hit the nail on the head with the whole New Yorker thing, this guy is very New York in his attitude and mannerisms, you always have to consider where someone grew up and the culture there…
I would love to see The Behavior Panel analyze some interviews that were conducted with Leslie Van Houten, the Manson Family member who was recently released from prison. Is she truly repentant and rehabilitated? It would be interesting to get your take on it.
The thing that was strange to me, was that Rex's first smile was when Antoine said, "but not someone right?". Antoine was trying so hard to get him to smile the whole time.
My insight on the narcissism in the hammer: I’m a furniture maker. In the “woodworking world” cabinetry making is considered the most admired and precise form of all woodwork, especially if done by hand. This ranking higher than a carpenter (framer), turner, knife maker, epoxy artist, live edge woodworker or wood sculptor, all subcategories of woodworking. Cabinetmaking the highest, and taking the most time to learn, requires precision…so the hammer is the final tool to perfect an already perfect handmade creation. It’s gentle and won’t sabotage the work. Almost like a mallet. Which he compares to the opposite a framing hammer (a lower more aggressive form of woodwork in the hierarchy). Also, for a woodworker the more tools they own, the grander they are seen in our community especially well made hand tools, I’m shocked he didn’t throw in the word “Japanese” cabinetmakers hammer which would have been the pinnacle of the tool chain. My guess he has a pretty well stocked shop, and there is a big generational component to working in your dad’s original shop. There he can fulfill all the things he believes he has fell short of to his dad right there in the shop amongst the tools. A connection is made through the lumber and the tools, he probably has a past to process regarding his dad.
The interviewer’s first language wasn’t English, as a foreigner I imagine his constant laughter covers up the fact that he might not quite understand English that well. So being jovial puts others at ease and probably covers his embarrassment at not understanding every word or meaning.
I think what’s worth commenting on is the OTHER GUY, as in: he was picking up on something unconsciously about Rex that made him nervous. Then, when Rex talks about “needing to persuade something” the interviewer makes the joke “not someone”. I know that’s an easy joke to go for, but if i were interviewing someone I really liked or who put me at ease, i dont think I would interrupt them as the interviewer to make that joke.
Yes, he seems very uncomfortable. At first made me think it's because English is not his native language, but he seems very fluent so I wouldn't think that was it.
Interesting analysis, guys. I want to thank Chase for explaining the interviewer's odd behavior, which I was really getting confused and annoyed with. But since you explained he might be more empathic than average and could sense something dangerous, I could see how if I were in the interviewer's shoes maybe I would have been overly gracious and placating (probably not boisterous though).
Chase, I've a family member who uses breath to communicate. Took me years to explain it as well. She uses it to affect others' emotions and set the tone for conversations. It's strange that he mentions patience as she seems to use breath at times to indicate that she is being patient with others. She will use different types of sighs, huffing or inhales to communicate a range of things - mostly disapproval or disdain. It's remarkable effective as people sense this and immediately start walking on eggshells, aim to please her, admire her or feel sympathy for her. It always reminds me of stage cues which the audience isn't aware of but actors follow to elicit certain feelings in others. For instance, he gives this huff right after mentioning the generator which makes us anticipate a story about something that was an inconvenience or struggle.
I guess being an excruciating bore can be a good camouflage for serial killers. Droning on about building codes and bragging about how much he knows about them would basically work as a mosquito repellent for curious questions.
I see a lot of comment about the interviewer, but I just want to say that it’s very important to understand that English isn’t his first language and that factors in when you are in a position with someone that wants to be as dominating as Rex that maybe speaks the language better, so his behavior is more of trying to cover up the discomfort he is feeling, hence a lot of nervous laughter. I know this because English isn’t mg first language and I do the same exact behavior, but when I’m speaking in my native language I’m someone else, full of confidence
It makes me feel good knowing you four practice what you do and help others learn from you. It takes a community to catch a hidden perp who is extremely dangerous. You guys are heroes in my eyes! Thank you!
I think the interviewer laughs because he feels something he doesn't understand about this guy. He feels threatened has to laugh to make himself feel better. I noticed the guy sniffs & blows out through his nose a lot, too. It's probably something he does all the time. It is so funny when Scott has something definite. He says "I'll go first on this time". I love that Mark laughs so easily! Be kind to each other. Stay safe. Love to all
OMG. I had this on in the background and when Rex said “I’ve actually used 1901 old tenement laws…..they never read the administrative section “ I thought it was a video of a different New Yorker who loves bragging about his ability in cutting corners in New York building codes. Had to do a double take
Hi Greg, Please cover Jimmy Saville. I think viewers would be amazed how he got away with fooling the uk for years xx I would love to hear you all analyse him 👍🏻
Can I request more analyses on cult leaders/members? I’m also interested in seeing one on either L.Ron Hubbard or David Miscavige(current and previous Scientology leaders). Love what you guys are doing!
A mature woman’s perspective: Red flags were popping & I would have been out of that room like a hairdresser on fire. It’s clear that this painfully tedious narchitect is largely about power & control. He never once gives a genuine smile… refuses to break script in order to play nice… feigns spontaneity. I know there are a lot of socially awkward people who are completely fine, but he comes off as the guy who was bullied as a kid & who now is getting even with the world in his own weird, measured way. I wouldn’t have necessarily come to the serial killer conclusion, but would be too uneasy in his presence. Great show, guys. Thanks!
37:21 growing up and exposed to a psychopath, this is something I had to figure out big time. I can unconsciously pick up on the darkness (or whatever you want to call it) but can’t put my finger on why I don’t want to be around the person. If I get that feeling now, I don’t care why or how to explain it to others, I just cut them off immediately. However, I do also think that the other person can see that you’ve picked up on it. That is why I trust my judgement now - if they picked up that I was onto them, but I couldn’t articulate it or justify it, I would be one the target to turn everyone else against
I’m a New Yorker and I get what Greg is saying! It amazes me how a serial killer /child killer can have a wife and children yet harm another persons child!? I don’t understand that. Why is that?
@@iconc1402 I see. Makes total sense. For an architect he sure lived in a dump! What’s with his wife? She allowed it. Speaks volumes . What a nutcase! NYPD did an amazing job !
I am a New Yorker and an interior designer that works in an architecture firm. Currently live in long island and work in Manhattan. I know a few architects that worked with Rex in the past. They said he was a very nice guy and easy to work with. I agree with Greg … you must consider NY culture. I watched this interview and didn’t find anything off about him. HE is being interviewed about HiS business… why would he not sell himself? Yes he probably rehearsed some of these stories… but he has his own business.. he has to sell himself to potential clients. This is his “elevator pitch.” Coming from the same place… and the same industry… this is how people in the industry talk. Architecture is also a bit of an egotistical industry in general. So nothing about him seems out of the ordinary. Also some of the things he says that imply he is doing a better job than others is completely Typical in this field. We all feel that way lol. Probably because our job involves a crazy about of attention to detail, a crazy about of time and overtime, yet our pay sucks compared to much easier jobs. People think architects get paid well, they don’t. That’s a big misconception. Needless to say there is a lot of bitterness among us. What makes the dynamic between these two weird is that the guy interviewing him seems to know nothing about the architecture field or is very inexperienced. For example he laughed at “1938 building code” but Rex was not trying to make a joke. It is common for architects working in Manhattan to have to go back to very old building codes when doing work in historic or land marked buildings. I can imagine being a veteran in the field being interviewed by someone who has no clue what you are talking about is annoying. Work with people just like Rex all the time. Nothing off to me.
Thank you for your explanation. This comment should be pinned by the channel to help other viewers. In comments I was trying to explain it's a Manhattan behavior not unusual in the city. Maybe in Peoria yes. In Los Angeles everyone claims they are in entertainment field and it's usually BS trying to convince someone to take you seriously or to find work. Perfectly normal out there but would be off the wall behavior in Florida or Midwest.
I just wanted to thank you for taking the time to write all that out, it absolutely was not lost on me and I read it in full as it helped me to see an objective, informed perspective about a different angle to view his demeanor with. With sincere gratitude, Jamie from New Haven, Ct. -(Not NYC but a 50 min train ride away lol)
This video is one of the few times I wish the Behavior Panel didn't show the Replay. Watching this dude talk and pat himself on the back the first time, is more than enough.
To me the way he looks when he explains he's from Long Island is a key pinpointer he's hiding something. Loses eye contact and doesn't seem proud of where he lives but seems to be proud of where he works. As we now know Rex was living in a house of horrors in a very dysfunctional home. So different to his 'Mr fix it doing difficult jobs' worklife.
I saw a documentary and I seem to remember that the contestant on dating game pulled out of the date cause he creeped her out. Does anybody else remember that?
@@kandycepeterson2482 I SO wish the Dating Game girl who dodged the bullet that was a potential date with Rodney Alcala would come forward (if she's still with us.) Who knows? He may have had a grandiose plan of getting away with something there, becoming (in)famous for doing something to her. Alternately, giving the illusion of meeting the girl of his dreams on a game show and living happily ever after whilst carrying on with his killings thinking people would have no reason to suspect him
You know, I have a friend, who is a pro ice dancer, and went to the Olympics and placed 9th, who said his mom is that girl! I will get the story, and meet you back here! Who knows? Maybe she will reply herself! 😔
This episode, like the others, is great! I often think, folks who want to be known as pillars of the community are likely to be hiding something shady.
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Hi guys. I would love to do an edit for one of your next videos if you are up for it? :) Free of charge..
link to the full interview with Rex?
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I don't trust ANYONE🃏 anyone🕵️
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Dr G is my joint fave with you guys!! Both channels have massively helped an autistic 49 year old be a great deal better at having an awareness of what certain behaviours, mannerisms, gestures and vocal tones might indicate. I got to an older age before I found out that I hadn't ever registered/considered people's intentions. It was a shock, and took a while to accept it. Now I am more aware/alert, and it has also been a joy to feel able to learn something again, and feel such sparks of interest!!
I’m glad to hear that; it is a mark of both your intelligence and your desire to build empathy with others!
@@pampayne55 That's very kind of you to say, thank you. I do have empathy. Unfortunately/fortunately I have lived with hyper-empathy. It has been debilitating at times. Incredibly painful too, and very confusing. It has always been reading people which has escaped me. That's more scary than hyper-empathy, for me personally. I have got better at it recently!
I agree. I had a brain tumor in my right frontal lobe and lost some abilities or connections in being able to process language as well as social cues. I listen to these guys and realize my shortcomings and working on reprogramming my thoughts and actions in communication. Thanks guys you rock!
@@Nina-pp7lhWith all the latest knowledge about brain "plasticity" ... and how the brain can rewire itself, I hope watching videos like this helps your brain to create a workaround for anything that's been lost. 🙏
This whole thing is bizarre. Both of them have social weirdness going on. Its uncomfortable to watch
Yes I felt the same. Like this guy was given this assignment with noooo idea what the subject was and this guy is so crazy domineering and narcissistic that he laughs to cover his lack of comfort
One is goofy one is a know it all
@@Dragonfly657 he's beyond goofy. There's something proper weird and unsettling about him. Kiss ass on an epic scale, it's so SO weird
Absolutely! Cringe fest.
@@js2702couldn’t have said it better those exact words were coming out of my mind
I knew a serial killer. My friend and neighbor introduced me to him and he came by my apartment several times for coffee and danish/donuts. He invited me to go somewhere, my boyfriend was invited as well, but something happened to me when he arrived that day that saved my life. I opened the door and I literally lost my breathe, like it was sucked out of me and i said, without thinking, "I changed my mind!" and slammed the door. I don't know what happened in that moment. Perhaps i read his body language or something at a more subtle energy made me aware. He murdered probably 25 or more people, two of my friends. I'm very fortunate and always tell others to listen to their instincts about people.
Thank God you listened to your gut feeling!
What was their name?
@@ThatRedhedd Leonard Lake but I knew him as Allen Drey.
Scott really got my attention with his description of a manipulator, or psychopath, as someone controlling you by controlling the doses, ‘drops’, of dopamine like a drug to get you to follow them. Very powerful and incredibly helpful to take notice of someone telling you everything you didn’t even know you wanted to hear and ask yourself if they could be feeding you dopamine for their own benefit. Thank you Scott! All 4 of you guys blew me away with specific observations and references from a seemingly very boring interview!
Yes. Beware the flatterer
Instead of thinking or saying “he’s charming,” think to yourself “he’s trying to charm me” and you might see the behavior more readily.
That interview with Russel Williams will never be topped. It's like the Lord Of The Rings of interrogations. I can watch that over and over.
Yup
Fellow Canadian here. I live very very close to Trenton
Jim Smyth is kind of a big deal
I can’t wait to see the interview on this guy.
@@NicolaMaxwell They ought to call him in on this fella.
I can't stand to even hear his voice, because that was the last voice those poor girls heard. It makes my skin crawl, to hear his voice. I can hear this monster saying vile things to them, as he held them in his hands. He's sick, and I'm SO glad that the investigators never gave up...The Lost Girls.. In the search for Shannan, SHE brought the police to these bodies. God bless her.
He's horrible. Those poor girls must have been terrified.
Tbh the first guy comes across like every other self-important bureaucrat you avoid at a dinner party.
I watch every episode, why am I just now noticing how well they hide their own feelings about each other’s opinions during the observations. That’s a skill I need. My husband says he can hear me rolling my eyes.
Lol Chase often seems like he doesn't care to much for what Scott be saying. 😂
The girl who was to go out on a date with Rodney Alcala from the Dating Game Show later refused because she found him "too creepy". Smart girl.
That’s right! I saw that recently on a documentary.
I watched that too.
I just came to say that.
I remember that there was a serial killer who had been on the dating game… you may know from reading, I believe that I heard it on the news (which is telling my age-somewhat)
Mark, your description of what he must be like to be around at home is a very precise description of what it's like being around my dad. He is VERY tedious and just wants us all to sit for several hours and listen to him make speeches like this guy. HE thinks he's interesting and an authority but really he's just a grandiose bore, as you said. My dad is 100% a narcissist who likes to control the entire conversation because he feels he's so smart and interesting. He is visibly annoyed when other relatives are around, having enjoyable conversations without him. There's no placating laughter from me! I just roll my eyes and wait for the visit to be over.
My blood runs cold whenever I see Rodney Alcala’s face! I grew up in 70’s California and one day while walking to the store with friends, I was stopped by a guy that told me that he, “was an art student at Cal State Hayward and needed to take portrait photos for his photography class and could he take mine?” Obviously I had no idea until years later that I made a lucky escape from the “Dating Game Killer.” There were so many elements of our meeting that I always assumed were coincidence until I listened to the podcast about him. Not one element was coincidence. Not one.
Blood. Chilling.
Glad you escaped! Had my own not as scary but definitely creepy interaction with Alcala. Figure drawing class at UCIrvine, '70ish. In walks the model, fit guy, big hair, wearing a black G string. up until then, models were fully nude. The black G string just looked like a big black arrow: "look at me!" Was actually more uncomfortable than full nudity, with his preening attitude. During the break, he sidled up and engaged males in the class (thankfully), but his whole demeanor was much like the Dating Game video. Recognized him right away when he was arrested and his picture was in the OC Register Paper. Glad I wasn't on that jury. What a creep.
Burbank was where I ran into Alcala. The equestrian center, he was "with the Times" and "doing a story" on horse riding.
No, Acala had zero coincidence in anything. Took a long while to realize a) who he was, b) that I was vulnerable, and c) it actually happened.
I am grateful both/all of us somehow was not his "type" and are here to tell our tale, as it were.
I don't know you yet I'm so glad you're safe! ❤
Oh wow, @soowzy that actually does sound traumatizing. It’s interesting that he chose to wear the black G string, and would probably make for interesting psychological analysis… obviously nothing to do with modesty, likely all about power. (Unless he was “masking” a source of shame or inferiority. Hmmm…) 😆
My dad was a professional photographer and I had actually just gotten into big trouble for “ducking the camera” when he went to take a candid shot of me just a few weeks before I ran into Alcala. It helped to create the perfect storm.
I actually called the FBI case agent after seeing the story on 48 hours or 20/20 to enquire about the area that I lived and if they could verify that it was within his hunting ground and was told, “absolutely.”
I would really like to go and volunteer to help scan and post the thousands of photos that RA took during his reign of terror. I think it would be cathartic.
Have you listened to The Dating Game Killer podcast? It’s chilling!
What is most disturbing is how many times he committed absolutely heinous crimes, was given a slap on the wrist, and was then freed to assault and kill again! Just shocking!
It was really eye-opening to me with regard to the value, or lack there of, placed on girls and women. I hope that’s changing… 😵💫😵💫
Thank you so much for sharing your experience. I believe that in sharing our stories we find common ground and together we can process and heal the trauma! XO
@@gist_ginny_stout he was so "charming," talked his way out of stronger charges, until he couldn't. I hope his victims' families will find peace
My dad is a narcissist and to avoid confrontation and him criticizing me and hurting me, I become overly agreeable. If he feels threatened he will defend and by proxy, attack. So I have to put him at ease and make sure he knows I’m on his side and he is smart and funny and right. So I laugh and just tell him he’s funny and right. Similarly to the interviewer.
Not saying he was consciously making those choices here, but I could see myself in a similar situation.
It’s called, “fawning.”
How is the sniffling drooling giggling interviewer creepier than Rex?! Great one guys! Thank you
He is just French, I think , or Belgian, , but I can be wrong, plus the scarf 🧣
He's French
What a wonderful behavior lesson from Chase, Greg, Mark & Scott.
All the examples were so well described by all four of you from different angles.
Jim Smyth was verbally calm taking down of Russell Willams I don’t think I could ever forget that video.
I had no idea Williams flew Queen Elizabeth II & Prince Philip on a plane!
Yes, hiding in plain sight!
I always learn something new from watching the Behavior Panel.
Scott, FYI I just ordered the book “ Snakes That Wear Suits “ thank you for recommending it.
Thank you all for sharing your valuable knowledge and time with us.
See you next week as always❣️
Greg explained why Rex’s mannerisms remind me of George Castanza from Seinfeld! Though, I could hardly focus on Rex because the interviewer was as animated as the mad hatter! Mark explained that one. Thanks guys
I need to take a moment to acknowledge and thank each of you for presenting this information as you have. The manner of how this was introduced and the demeanor of the team is so perfectly somber. Please please recognize the horror being revealed as this investigation continues. I appreciate so much how this subject today has been produced and delivered. I've loved you guys from the outset but you have won my absolute respect today. thank you.
Greg, Scott, Mark and Chase: I love the different perspectives you highlight-and the places where they all connect. It’s all very interesting. Learning a lot from you!
Just note - he talks about his first job with Harvey - a girl went missing from the same business in like 1991 or something while he was working there.
I swear Chase and Mark are brothers from another mother. They love taking the mick out of each other, I love it. I wish you could put bloopers in these also. This is another great video as always , and yes I was shocked that colonel Russell Williams flew our monarchy and I totally agree with Scott that he didn't just wake up one day in his 50's-60's and killed two people I believe he killed way before that. Thanks guys your doing really great work for us to learn and be vigilant. 🥰👍👏👏👏🇬🇧
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He was genuinely referring to his extra curricular activities when he was talking about the hammer. He was getting duping delight.
That cabinet hammer comment was terrifying to hear from him.
Chase and Mark,'s read on the interviewer is spot-on...guy is getting spooked. 5 minutes talking to this serial killer and you can see the interviewer starting to wilt.😮
Interviewer laughing hysterically about building codes….but you can tell he wants to get out of there.
@@MayThereBeWorldPeace Who knows. But the interview alone was enough to sense that Rex is off. He can’t connect with people. If you haven’t seen it yet, a woman who went on a date with him was recently interviewed, and she was so creeped out, she ended it early and told her friends she believed he was the LISK… always listen to your gut.
25:10 Dog sighting! Chase Hughes' dog climbing on sofa. Love the dogs.
I wonder why the interviewer is laughing so much? I’m not seeing anything funny. I am always so impressed with all of you and the nuances you see. Thank you so much for the enjoyable education.
People laugh when they're uncomfortable 😐 it read that way to me
Did y’all catch the interview of Rex’s interviewer this week where he describes the death grip that was Rex’s handshake? I think that poor guy inherently knew something was so wrong and his nervous laughter was his psyche’s panic alert.
Link?
@@allwayscgood576you could look it up. :)
When I was about 20 I used to work in a car service garage where a regular customer would come in and take delight in crushing my hand whilst smiling in my face the whole time, to the point at which I just stopped putting my hand forward when he did (even though it made it temporarily awkward) after he fractured a bone on the back of my hand. Clearly some weird show of power so I never let it show on my face he was hurting me or that I knew it was deliberate. Weirdo.
@@likeasoldier777 I’m aware that’s an option. I figured this guy had it. I don’t know the dudes name. Don’t know how to look it up. I’ll figure it out but I thought I’d ask
@@allwayscgood576It’s on TH-cam.
I was confused for awhile because I found the interviewer more disturbing than the serial killer. It was difficult for me to understand or relate to the actual killer because of the insane laughter, expressions and behavior from the interviewer.
I was gonna say the same thing. And the scarf. A lot of people from that region of the world come off awkward when they move to The U.S. and he's one of them. They're too pandering. It has to do with their original country's cultural norm. He's probably fine in his native land. (and he seems like a nice person which is often seen as an easy mark here in the States where males are taught to be more along the lines of the strong and silent type like Greg up there is.)
@@pewsterbaby The SCARF!!! That silly, schoolboy laughing, and the sniffling. He was so bad.
@@ael5629Still, I totally get that guy. It IS a cultural thing. Dressing like that is also a cultural thing. In NYC, the interviewer would be considered "a bit much" ... but the supplicating behavior can be seen in some parts of the culture.
The overly laughing thing is for him a way of communicating "You are a wonderful 'raconteur', and your jokes are very funny indeed!"
Thank you Mark for the phrase "florid raconteur". As fun as that is ... Rex either thinks he is, or wants to be this great "raconteur" ... and the interviewer is acting like: "Yes! You are! Oh, this is just wonderful!" Niw the interviewer doesn't believe that for a second, but it's one way to play it safe around a hostile bully.
You wanted to relate to the killer? It wasn't hard for me to concentrate on both men.
If Rex is the killer like they say he is , he was probably thinking this guy was sent in to check him out, this is the feeling I get when I watch this., you have to be thinking about being set up 24/7 when and if you're living with things like they say he did on your conscience . . .
It's easy to see how this guy blended in in NYC. I lived there for 12 years. There are a lot of obnoxious braggarts like this guy in NYC, who talk big, and where skirting the rules was something to be very proud of. This guy is very proud of how he read the Bldg Code so well that he could find loopholes in it. I saw SO MANY versions of this behavior, it barely stands out.
I'm a new Yorker. I agree with you on this.
Kinda trump - like 🤨
@@kristykanen9315 Pretty much yes. Especially when Trump was, similar to this guy, in the Building and Construction Business ... it was the same kind of "big talk" business. It was an NYC thing, and he was the most famous for this kind of thing. But yeah. Very NYC. Easy to blend in.
@@kristykanen9315 yes - who knows they could be related. Both from good German stock. And growing up a stones’ throw from each other and working in Manhattan, they share more than a few mannerisms as well.
Respect Scott. 🙏 Your empathy for humanity never ceases to amaze me. I don't know why 😅
He is a beautiful soul ❤
Scott is also much more handsomer than Chase is. That’s the comment we get the most. As well, he’s hilarious. Most say “Scott is a hoot and a half”. We happen to believe he’s 2 hoots. And you know what else people say? They say Scott has kind eyes. And you know what? I think so too. We all do. We just think he’s the coolest. (This is one of the other guys on the panel replying. Not Scott.)
@@TheBehaviorPanel Are you sure this is not Scott. It sounds like Scott. 😉
@@TheBehaviorPanel The way I just belted out a laugh!!! Yes, Scott is all that and a bag of chips!
@ael5629 Well as a linguist,you nailed it. Wasn't sure if it was him or one of you pretending 😏 lol
Did anyone else notice the window in the background behind this guy that has the blinds all messed up like someone has been peeking out of them? It is like a foreshadowing of the creepy to come!😮
I read the fact that he is a code expert differently. I work as an architect in a different city and what he is describing about "negotiating" the code is pretty accurate. I spent years designing Nursing homes, they don't exactly fit the code and to make them functional we have to engage in a great deal of negotiation with the regulatory bodies. The accessibility codes are written for independence and individuals in group homes or in nursing homes are by definition not independent. Something as simple as showering someone in a nursing home requires two to three nurses/aids. That many people simply do not fit into a 30"x60" shower (the largest allowed by ADA). So the code isn't appropriate in that instance and there currently isn't a code that is. So we go off of industry guidelines and work out deals with the city and explaining this to them (this is actually something they usually readily acknowledge). But we still have to document all decisions for a particular building. And a different owner may want different adjustments.
The same conversation happens around older buildings. It can be utterly impossible to update them to meet existing codes without tearing them down and starting over. But code officials often ignore the addendums to codes that accommodate this. So in we go with our code books armed with chapter and verse to argue with them. Additionally, very time a new code is adopted, we have issues with the inspectors trying to enforce the newest code on buildings that were already under construction when the code went into effect - we are required to meet the code in effect at the time of permitting not the code in effect at the time of completion. Buildings can take years to build and code changes of mere inches can have very dramatic and expensive implications. I just went through this with a code change to the size of bathroom stalls. The latest code made the accessible stall 4" bigger in both directions. We are built and there is nowhere to get the extra 4" - but we do meet the code that we were permitted under and that is the legal requirement.
For what it is worth - I see someone who really enjoys living on the edge of the requirements, finding the loopholes, and besting other people's arguments. He likes to test the rules, see how far he can push them and what he can get away with. All of these things are pretty common traits of people who are good at what he does. He's into being in control of the rules. The rules are subject to his mental powers. It is about manipulation. Not so much him liking rules. Though he does like making other people follow the rules.
That scarf knotted so heavily😳….I was staring at that🤦🏼♀️
Yes. The interviewer was very distracting.
I'm so glad to see y'all analyze Rex Heuermann. Fascinating stuff. One thing that really jumped out at me about the interviewer and his laughter is that this guy was extremely uncomfortable. I think Rex gave this poor guy the ick. Some people, myself included, laugh when we're uncomfortable. Fawning. I'd wager this interviewer is about to crawl out of his skin to get away from this guy.
I worked for NYC back in the day and the Building Department was one of my clients. I am wondering if I ever had to deal with Heuermann on something like a permit denial or building code violation. By the way, as a lawyer for the NYC Building Department and other agencies, I had to read the codes, too. And I will assure you the building inspectors know those codes, too! So do the administrators/commissioners the inspectors answer to. His self-aggrandizing that he told the City how to do its job is incredible and a bit ludicrous!
He was probably the guy the boss sent to look for the loopholes and inconsistencies between statutes in the code. Sending him down a rabbit hole got rid of him for a while.
@@marilynnlewis8400 very true. And, if the commissioner was the person I think it was, he was taking great pleasure in putting Heuerman in his place by ignoring him for six hours
Yes Scott, insecure grown men can be very dangerous. They can appear confident, but when alone with a victim, they let their true colors fly! Nobody sees this but the victim, sadly. Even then, sometimes the victim never sees it coming with a shot to the back of the head. You all are helping to shine the spotlight on these evil people. Thank you!
Between the interviewer’s SNIFFING and freaking LAUGHING - I can’t
I love it when Scott leaves in the parts he says he’s gonna edit out. 😂❤😂 BTW, that prison Thanksgiving dinner sounds pretty dang good!
During the Live today when he said he was gonna edit it out, people were live chatting, "Hes not gonna edit it out..."😂😂😂
@@lynleebossard6417lol! I just love it! 😂😂😂
people are killing to get it
@@TheUnofficialMaker 😂😂😂
I think we should keep an eye on the interviewer too 😂
Same, what a weirdo!
oh my God, the discussion about breath as a conversation flooded my mind with memories of my narcissistic father never giving me a chance to speak. he never stop talking long enough to hear a response not just for me but from anyone. he could drone on for hours almost putting you in a trance. It was one of the most toxic and frustrating things about my father other than the fact that he was a constant know it all, would repeat the same stories over and over and to perfect them.
Scott describing a person as, "... out in the wild..." never gets old for me! He cracks my sh*t up! 🤣
Dang, he’s funny. And so damned handsome too.
I totally agree with you, Jessica. But tell me you haven’t used the term “in the wild.” I use it and laugh inside every time I drop it in a conversation.
Scott has a couple hand gestures that make me laugh, too.
One is what I’d call a maniacal or evil genius exaggerated manipulator, he uses it when he’s happy and there’s a psychopath on deck. 😊
The other one is hard to describe, but it’s where he is indicating “one” with his index finger up, all other fingers making a circle at the palm and his wrist faces away from him, then he swiftly flicks his wrist rotating the “soft underbelly 😜” of his wrist and entire forearm so his palm ends up facing himself and his entire hand rises about 2-5” during this swift motion.
This gesture, depending on the context, can mean different things, but I laugh every time he does it because it looks like he’s performing the world’s fastest and shallowest proctological exam. 😂😂😂
It’s an “ah-HA” gesture or “eureka” or maybe even “up yours” in some cultures or circumstances?
Regardless, the man makes me laugh!!!
…and he’s so damned handsome too ❤😉🤗
So interesting. Love all the guy’s’ perspectives. Chase resonates with me the most because I feel he is extra sensitive to people’s vibes. And he’s very honest, not concerned with ruffling feathers.
When you said someone laughing about a kid being hurt is not normal it reminded me when I was a kid and in our TV's appeared those "funny" home videos from USA where someone gets hurt and everyone laughs. It was so different from how jokes were in my country at that time that I remember we all family sitting and watching and going - ohh, o no, that's awful, he could have died... - and couldn't understand how can those be called funny, it was awful to watch and made heart hurt. We thought that all americans must be some psychopaths or something to laugh and present such things as funny.
I’m American and my family thought they were weird too.
He probably annoyed his victims to death.
That’s actually funny. 👍
To a woman, this man is IMPOSING. Hes an entire foot taller than most Women, overweight with broad body. I can’t imagine a man like this unleashing his anger and sexual perversion on these poor girls. Can’t imagine the terror they must have felt.
Yes, you would not be able to get away. I think that's why he liked prostitutes, he didn't see them as people. Because they work in a dangerous world and other women would get a vibe from him.
and his Wife looks nothing like these females! I'm convinced his murderous ways have nothing to do with his home life. It's 2 different worlds that he could separate. I do think he really was a Family Man. I also think he had his dark fantasy life. We really need to know his Motives. The Interview is very odd, that he speaks about his Hammer and it does sound very murderous. Like He thinks as a Murderer, he's relating to another Man as a violent being without telling him He is a Murderer. Like "You Know what I saying, Right?" Ohh Yeah *Wink Wink* Nod....WE ALL Murder Women at Night! Yeah Totally. It's very Brotherhood. It's very American Psycho. It's very politican. It's very in Your face. Why was this Man being Interviewed in the first place?
get over yourself
It was so interesting Greg how you stated narcissistic people will get to high places for doing things others won’t do. This is so true.
What Greg said about " People who talk at you, not with you", and the breathing Chase pointed out...If you watch people who always talk over you ..they are not really listening to you...they are impatiently waiting to start talking again.
As a born and bred New Yorker I kind of agree with Greg. This guy is so much a type of New Yorker: the big, boring, very verbal braggart.
My dad always told me never to trust anyone with an East Coast accent. Sadly, it’s been proven true on many occasions.
125 and Amsterdam ave here
Uhhh huh you hit it
The cabinet makers hammer comment gave me chills. "It is persuasive enough...." I know I'm hearing his comment with the knowledge of what he is accused of, but still was a creepy feeling.
The french guy doing the interview is the one giving the strange seria killer vibes! Just comes to show!
Totally
I have waited for this guy to get caught. This is going to be an interesting case.
Who hasn't been looking for lisk. I know they did a good investigation because they have been looking at certain people for years. And this guy is exactly right physically too.
Omg. I’m becoming such a trial and crime hound. It’s a bit creepy, I feel like a rubbernecker at an accident., but I’m hooked, can’t help myself.
@@unfrozencavemanlawyer3950 oldest interest I'm the world, even biblical, cane and Abel. We have been aware of crime since we could think existentially.
@@CL-we8tnamen and Jesus Christ is coming sooner than soon for His children!!!❤😊
I bet their will be alot more bodies before all of this is over
If Peter Griffin and the guy from Office Space ("the goddamned engineers!") had a baby...it'd be Rex Heuermann. The guy is a caricature.
Nailed it.
😂😂😂😂
He is 100% a caricature 😂😂😂 He looks like Peter Griffin from Family Guy.
37:00 wow Chase nailed this. This appears to be what's going on with the interviewer. I relate to this interviewer a lot and also interview professionally. He struck me as a highly empathetic person who's tuned in to the subject to the extent that, as Chase puts it, he might unconsciously sense something's awry. I've also spoken to people JUST like this subject, and felt exactly the same way.
My ex was a sociopath, charming, glib, superficial. He is middle eastern with a romantic and eloquant use of language. I was me mesmerised. He had a treble life, a profession, an enforcer, husband, father and womaniser. None of which were revealed until a third party warned me. The result was rape, threatened with a pistol and money stolen from my life savings.
There were no angry word, no physical violence. He smiled while he threatened.
I have learned, I have forgiven. They are among us, they feel no remorse or empathy.
I'm so sorry for what you went through. Nobody deserves that treatment, except people like your ex. You were the perfect victim they search for. I hope you have peace now and have learned who not to interact with. Much love!
Rex doesn’t like the interviewer… but loves where he’s going to put him… in the limelight.
I have a question for you guys! Can you please consider doing an episode where each of you shares a couple of stories about favorite moments/career highlights from times where you've utilized your skills to help bring a favorable outcome to a real life situation?
I would love that so much. Please and thank you.
Cool idea 😃
It could be an end-of-the-year episode. Super idea.
Greg actually hit the nail on the head with the whole New Yorker thing, this guy is very New York in his attitude and mannerisms, you always have to consider where someone grew up and the culture there…
Dr. G Explains is a great channel. Nice shout out. Love you guys!!!
I think a lot of Commissioners and city planners have caved for Rex and given him what he wanted just to get out of having to talk to him further
I would love to see The Behavior Panel analyze some interviews that were conducted with Leslie Van Houten, the Manson Family member who was recently released from prison. Is she truly repentant and rehabilitated? It would be interesting to get your take on it.
I think Mark really nailed this one. Very insightful. He really brought his A game.
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When talking about the hammer he gets very excited!
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The thing that was strange to me, was that Rex's first smile was when Antoine said, "but not someone right?". Antoine was trying so hard to get him to smile the whole time.
At least the young lady that picked #1 on the Dating Game decided not to go out with him. She had a "feeling" about him. ❤
And he was very angry that she backed out.
There's a phrase.."when all you have is a hammer...everything looks like a nail"
Chase, I think you're spot on. You made me think of a few people I know that are highly narcissistic, who also talk at you, not with you.
My insight on the narcissism in the hammer: I’m a furniture maker. In the “woodworking world” cabinetry making is considered the most admired and precise form of all woodwork, especially if done by hand. This ranking higher than a carpenter (framer), turner, knife maker, epoxy artist, live edge woodworker or wood sculptor, all subcategories of woodworking. Cabinetmaking the highest, and taking the most time to learn, requires precision…so the hammer is the final tool to perfect an already perfect handmade creation. It’s gentle and won’t sabotage the work. Almost like a mallet. Which he compares to the opposite a framing hammer (a lower more aggressive form of woodwork in the hierarchy). Also, for a woodworker the more tools they own, the grander they are seen in our community especially well made hand tools, I’m shocked he didn’t throw in the word “Japanese” cabinetmakers hammer which would have been the pinnacle of the tool chain. My guess he has a pretty well stocked shop, and there is a big generational component to working in your dad’s original shop. There he can fulfill all the things he believes he has fell short of to his dad right there in the shop amongst the tools. A connection is made through the lumber and the tools, he probably has a past to process regarding his dad.
Would really love to see you guys talk about David Miscaviage, the head of Scientology. He’s only done 1 interview and that was with Ted Koppell.
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I can not understand why the interwiever kept laughing during the whole interview.
The interviewer’s first language wasn’t English, as a foreigner I imagine his constant laughter covers up the fact that he might not quite understand English that well. So being jovial puts others at ease and probably covers his embarrassment at not understanding every word or meaning.
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I think what’s worth commenting on is the OTHER GUY, as in: he was picking up on something unconsciously about Rex that made him nervous. Then, when Rex talks about “needing to persuade something” the interviewer makes the joke “not someone”. I know that’s an easy joke to go for, but if i were interviewing someone I really liked or who put me at ease, i dont think I would interrupt them as the interviewer to make that joke.
Yes, he seems very uncomfortable. At first made me think it's because English is not his native language, but he seems very fluent so I wouldn't think that was it.
Interesting analysis, guys. I want to thank Chase for explaining the interviewer's odd behavior, which I was really getting confused and annoyed with. But since you explained he might be more empathic than average and could sense something dangerous, I could see how if I were in the interviewer's shoes maybe I would have been overly gracious and placating (probably not boisterous though).
Chase, I've a family member who uses breath to communicate. Took me years to explain it as well. She uses it to affect others' emotions and set the tone for conversations.
It's strange that he mentions patience as she seems to use breath at times to indicate that she is being patient with others. She will use different types of sighs, huffing or inhales to communicate a range of things - mostly disapproval or disdain. It's remarkable effective as people sense this and immediately start walking on eggshells, aim to please her, admire her or feel sympathy for her.
It always reminds me of stage cues which the audience isn't aware of but actors follow to elicit certain feelings in others.
For instance, he gives this huff right after mentioning the generator which makes us anticipate a story about something that was an inconvenience or struggle.
I guess being an excruciating bore can be a good camouflage for serial killers. Droning on about building codes and bragging about how much he knows about them would basically work as a mosquito repellent for curious questions.
I see a lot of comment about the interviewer, but I just want to say that it’s very important to understand that English isn’t his first language and that factors in when you are in a position with someone that wants to be as dominating as Rex that maybe speaks the language better, so his behavior is more of trying to cover up the discomfort he is feeling, hence a lot of nervous laughter. I know this because English isn’t mg first language and I do the same exact behavior, but when I’m speaking in my native language I’m someone else, full of confidence
Great point.
It makes me feel good knowing you four practice what you do and help others learn from you. It takes a community to catch a hidden perp who is extremely dangerous. You guys are heroes in my eyes! Thank you!
The Interviewer is sniffing every 10 seconds , which is probably why hes so fidgety and laughing nonstop at everything 😂
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I’d love to hear from the interviewer for his thoughts knowing what he knows now.
I think the interviewer laughs because he feels something he doesn't understand about this guy. He feels threatened has to laugh to make himself feel better. I noticed the guy sniffs & blows out through his nose a lot, too. It's probably something he does all the time. It is so funny when Scott has something definite. He says "I'll go first on this time". I love that Mark laughs so easily! Be kind to each other. Stay safe. Love to all
Million bucks there's ALOT more poor women scattered all over that area
Feel a bit bad for the interviewer...he NEVER dreamed that this would get so much scrutiny!
Just finished snake in suits from Scott’s recommendation. We need a behavior panel Amazon storefront with all the book recommendations!
It was a great book wasn’t it?
OMG. I had this on in the background and when Rex said “I’ve actually used 1901 old tenement laws…..they never read the administrative section “ I thought it was a video of a different New Yorker who loves bragging about his ability in cutting corners in New York building codes. Had to do a double take
Same!
He reminds me of Trump in many ways. The sniffs seemed to come from him as well.
And later on when they talk about using breath as a punctuation when talking at someone. That is all just describing how DT talks
100%
Yep 👍
rex heuermann's fav topic is clearly himself
Nailed it.
Amazed by Mark's insight regarding the man's father and perhaps not meeting up to expectations.
Rex Heuermann looks like an AI generated image of what Kirby would look like if he ate Tucker Carlson.
Hi Greg, Please cover Jimmy Saville. I think viewers would be amazed how he got away with fooling the uk for years xx I would love to hear you all analyse him 👍🏻
Savile's body language screams CREEP
I had an anatomy instructor who was arrested during class for the murder of his wife... he was from Honduras. True story
Can I request more analyses on cult leaders/members?
I’m also interested in seeing one on either L.Ron Hubbard or David Miscavige(current and previous Scientology leaders).
Love what you guys are doing!
😂😂😂oh nooo please not l ron hubbard...
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how about Tom Cruise then?
David Miscavige for sure!
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Danny Mastersen?
A mature woman’s perspective: Red flags were popping & I would have been out of that room like a hairdresser on fire. It’s clear that this painfully tedious narchitect is largely about power & control. He never once gives a genuine smile… refuses to break script in order to play nice… feigns spontaneity. I know there are a lot of socially awkward people who are completely fine, but he comes off as the guy who was bullied as a kid & who now is getting even with the world in his own weird, measured way. I wouldn’t have necessarily come to the serial killer conclusion, but would be too uneasy in his presence. Great show, guys. Thanks!
I agree
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37:21 growing up and exposed to a psychopath, this is something I had to figure out big time. I can unconsciously pick up on the darkness (or whatever you want to call it) but can’t put my finger on why I don’t want to be around the person. If I get that feeling now, I don’t care why or how to explain it to others, I just cut them off immediately. However, I do also think that the other person can see that you’ve picked up on it. That is why I trust my judgement now - if they picked up that I was onto them, but I couldn’t articulate it or justify it, I would be one the target to turn everyone else against
I’m a New Yorker and I get what Greg is saying! It amazes me how a serial killer /child killer can have a wife and children yet harm another persons child!? I don’t understand that. Why is that?
They compartmentalise.
@@iconc1402 I see. Makes total sense. For an architect he sure lived in a dump! What’s with his wife? She allowed it. Speaks volumes . What a nutcase! NYPD did an amazing job !
He isn't the first and won't be the last. Btk had a family and boring job too
@@insideroutside so true
@@insideroutside guess the house wasn’t his focus it was killing and torturing innocent women a man and a child!
I am a New Yorker and an interior designer that works in an architecture firm. Currently live in long island and work in Manhattan. I know a few architects that worked with Rex in the past. They said he was a very nice guy and easy to work with.
I agree with Greg … you must consider NY culture. I watched this interview and didn’t find anything off about him. HE is being interviewed about HiS business… why would he not sell himself? Yes he probably rehearsed some of these stories… but he has his own business.. he has to sell himself to potential clients. This is his “elevator pitch.”
Coming from the same place… and the same industry… this is how people in the industry talk.
Architecture is also a bit of an egotistical industry in general. So nothing about him seems out of the ordinary.
Also some of the things he says that imply he is doing a better job than others is completely Typical in this field. We all feel that way lol. Probably because our job involves a crazy about of attention to detail, a crazy about of time and overtime, yet our pay sucks compared to much easier jobs. People think architects get paid well, they don’t. That’s a big misconception. Needless to say there is a lot of bitterness among us.
What makes the dynamic between these two weird is that the guy interviewing him seems to know nothing about the architecture field or is very inexperienced. For example he laughed at “1938 building code” but Rex was not trying to make a joke. It is common for architects working in Manhattan to have to go back to very old building codes when doing work in historic or land marked buildings. I can imagine being a veteran in the field being interviewed by someone who has no clue what you are talking about is annoying.
Work with people just like Rex all the time. Nothing off to me.
Thank you for your explanation. This comment should be pinned by the channel to help other viewers. In comments I was trying to explain it's a Manhattan behavior not unusual in the city. Maybe in Peoria yes. In Los Angeles everyone claims they are in entertainment field and it's usually BS trying to convince someone to take you seriously or to find work. Perfectly normal out there but would be off the wall behavior in Florida or Midwest.
RH is pathologically boring 🥱
So how could you tell if he was a WACKO or not ?
Everything you say here. True!
I just wanted to thank you for taking the time to write all that out, it absolutely was not lost on me and I read it in full as it helped me to see an objective, informed perspective about a different angle to view his demeanor with. With sincere gratitude, Jamie from New Haven, Ct. -(Not NYC but a 50 min train ride away lol)
This video is one of the few times I wish the Behavior Panel didn't show the Replay. Watching this dude talk and pat himself on the back the first time, is more than enough.
It's an analytical procedure They need to replay it
To me the way he looks when he explains he's from Long Island is a key pinpointer he's hiding something. Loses eye contact and doesn't seem proud of where he lives but seems to be proud of where he works. As we now know Rex was living in a house of horrors in a very dysfunctional home. So different to his 'Mr fix it doing difficult jobs' worklife.
I saw a documentary and I seem to remember that the contestant on dating game pulled out of the date cause he creeped her out. Does anybody else remember that?
Yes. The contestant, Rodney alcala def is a creep. The girls guy feeling saved her life.
@@kandycepeterson2482 I SO wish the Dating Game girl who dodged the bullet that was a potential date with Rodney Alcala would come forward (if she's still with us.) Who knows? He may have had a grandiose plan of getting away with something there, becoming (in)famous for doing something to her. Alternately, giving the illusion of meeting the girl of his dreams on a game show and living happily ever after whilst carrying on with his killings thinking people would have no reason to suspect him
Yes. I remember that. Astute young woman. His answers tho were over the top lecherous as well
You know, I have a friend, who is a pro ice dancer, and went to the Olympics and placed 9th, who said his mom is that girl! I will get the story, and meet you back here! Who knows? Maybe she will reply herself! 😔
This episode, like the others, is great! I often think, folks who want to be known as pillars of the community are likely to be hiding something shady.