Dismantling Ashari Argument! Shamsi Raihan and Visitor Speakers Corner

[@TheSlaveOfAllah1992]

Imam Abu Al hasan Al ash‘ari, experienced three stages of thought according to Ibn Kather and Az-Zubaydi and others.
The first stage marked his adoption of the Mu‘tazili thought, the second witnessed his following of Ibn Kullab, and the third marked his following of Ahlus sunnah, led by Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal . Abu Al Hasan Al ash‘ari declared this last stance in his books.
Anyone who follows him in the third stage in fact conforms to Ahlus Sunnah in most of their beliefs, and anyone following him in the second stage contradicts Imam Al ash’ari himself as well as Ahlus Sunnah in many of their beliefs.
The Asha'irah have no excuse in front of Allah about their methodology just because some scholars agreed with them in some issues, and that was a matter of Ijtihad, because the evidence is in the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, *and not in the mistakes of some scholars* ....

[@manuka7313]

Now you know why Brother Shamsi gets frustrated.They don't answer any question asked.!!!🫨🤕🤒

[@TheBigNoseLondon]

Why dont you go and challange The Big Nose ? Really what is stopping you? Mansur, Hashim, Abbass and Nishan and people who claim are knowlegeable were doing tap dancing in front of The Big Nose. Anyway, rather than asking police to help you and making the Police officer laugh at you and tell you go and answer The Big Nose's questions...because I (the police) am busy with scraching my ass.😁😆😅🤣😂 Why dont you ask yourselves that? Why we muslims are not able to answer The Big Nose's simple questions? Can somebody answer this Please? Please stop talking nonsense about him, just answe my question?

[@TheBigNoseLondon]

Oxymoron !😜
Once you found out what oxymoron is, then you might grow up and elaborate on the comments that you make!
Illiterate Muslim charlatans MUST be deported Soon!😜👍

[@wxxkong]

new beginner, keyboard warrior, ashari people get ready to comment brother shamsi 😄😄😄😄🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@TheSlaveOfAllah1992]

Imam Abu hatim (died 264H) said: *From the signs of Ahlul Bid‛ah is their reviling the People of Narrations* ...
They used to say (in the time of the Salaf): Test the people of Madinah by asking them about Malik, test the people of Syria by asking them about Awz'e, test the people of Egypt by asking them about Layth ibn sa’d, test the people of Mawsul by asking them about Mu‛afah ibn ‛Imran, and so on.
And this era, it is Bin baz, Al-bani, Uthaymeen, Rabee Madakhil, Fawzan, muqbil and so on, may Allah have mercy upon those who have left us and reward them tremendous for what they did for this Ummah, and may Allah preserve those who are still alive. Ameeen.

[@TheSlaveOfAllah1992]

When Hussein radiyallahu anhu, arrived in karbala. Whilst he was in Karbalah there were discussions between him and Amr bin Sa'd (representing Ubayd Allaah bin Ziyaad) and al-Husayn implored him with one of three things, a) they take him to Yazeed (whom he knew would not kill him) or b) that he simply returns back to the Hijaaz or c) that they take him to one of the border regions of the Muslims where he will remain.
But these were not accepted by Ubayd Allaah bin Ziyaad, and this eventually led to the battle at Karbala. Amr bin Sa'd led the contingent from Kufah with Shammar bin Dhil-Jawshan and others (and they were all from the Shia of Kufah) and they surrounded him. Because they were overwhelmed in number and power, al-Husayn and those with him were killed, and the killer of al-Husayn was Shammar bin Dhil-Jawshan, from the Shia of Ali (radiallaahu anhu). Killed along with Husayn were other sons of Ali bin Abi Talib, from them (according to numerous Shia authorities themselves) Abu Bakr bin Ali, Umar bin Ali, Uthman bin Ali, and also Ali's grandsons through al-Hasan, Abu Bakr bin al-Hasan bin Ali and Umar bin al-Hasan bin Ali.
Note: Have you just noticed the names of those killed from Ahl al-Bayt who were with Hussein radiyallahu anhu? Then you will understand why the lying Shia never mention their names when they tell their story of Karbala from the pulpit to an ignorant Shia audience! This is because the common Shia will realize that the Ahl al-Bayt loved the three caliphs so much they named their own children with their names.

[@mohammedpatel5155]

asallam mu alaikum shamsi hope u are well. may allah swt preserve you for the good work you do. you are a well knowledged individual. sheikh i would like you to debate asrar rashid on this topic and aqeeda. shukran

[@RR-vg5hg]

That’s not nice brother said can I f.I.n….and you cut the video off lol 😂

[@abdullahmahmud1298]

Alhumdullillah...
I am Salafi... Follow the Quran and Sunnah according to the understanding of righteous Salaf....
Watching from Bangladesh

[@feriir7772]

لعنت الله علیه ثلفی و ابوبکر عمر عثمان و شمسی

[@saudasiri6019]

Its tiring to keep asking the shias the same questions and they never answer, lets just agree that their religion is different than ours and they're not muslims

[@abuhudaifah_0]

He said MBS is a salafi.
Yet Muslims who do their best to follow kitab n sunnah to the best of their ability BUT don't adhere his scholars alone are deviants, or with faults. 😂

[@kab1r]

Imam Ibn Taymiyah said that being sinful but with the correct Tawheed is better than having less sins with corrupt Tawheed

[@squidguard1]

@@kab1rthere are pious Muslims who have the correct creed but they are deviants according to Shamsi

[@FactsWithActs]

​@@kab1rthat is a fact

[@mohammedumarsiddiqui1944]

have a discussion with the shaik from last time lol

[@DaivedBay4916]

my Allah guide Shams. Imam At-Tabari writes in relation the the verse in Surah Qalam that a number of the mufassireen, companions and their students held [a day when the shin shall be exposed] means that a dire matter shall be disclosed [ jami al bayan 28:30] . Even Imam Layliqa'i who he refers to on page 474 of i'taqad ahlus sunnah wal jamma narrates a hadith (724) which states the meaning of the shaaq is 'balaa al adheem' - a great tourment/test.

[@southernrealist5789]

7:40 muslims watching this need to think about the question Shamsi asked here. Why don't the other brothers call out deviant sects?
We all know non Muslims, most of us don't know who is deviant Muslim

[@manbetterunderstand]

Shamsi said he said "I'm not Ashari, I'm not Ashari". Go back and watch the video again, at no point did he say this. What an absolute lie!

[@agp4580]

What are the exact beliefs of asharis? Do they not believe that Allah is above the heavens?

[@The_Angry_BeEconomist]

Shamshi is the OG

[@toufikelalembenabdelkader2611]

What do you mean by OG?

[@mindthegap1651]

​@@toufikelalembenabdelkader2611OG Stand for Original Gangstar .

[@mindthegap1651]

That what u need to solve your issue !! 1+1+1=1 😂😂😂

[@batlefieldproes]

shia mad again

[@ALATHAR-Ahlehadith]

Prophet Mohammad eleh salam said, he draw line straight and some left and right sides and he said straight line is my path, and left and right line are sects, every left and right line upon sit a Satan.

[@werewolf7140]

When the representatives of the Ashary is present Shamsi the barking dog has no bite.

[@shabanali8591]

bring anyone & shamsi will refute those misguided fools like Ashary & shias. like he has in the past

[@werewolf7140]

@shabanali8591 Yes, that is why Shamsi ran away last week because his challenger had more knowledge than him .

[@shabanali8591]

@@werewolf7140 your being delusional and only fooling yourself and in Denial

[@TheSlaveOfAllah1992]

Ibn Abdul Barr Al-Maliki.
d. 390H) quoted the saying of Imam Malik: *it is not permitted to accept the witness of Ahlul Bid’ah and Ahlul-Ahwa* ...Then he explained:
The people of desires according to Malik and all of our companions are Ahlul Kalam (the people of theological rhetoric). So every mutakallim (one who resorts to theological rhetoric) is from the people of desires and Bid’ah whether he is an Ash’ari or other than an Ash’ari. His witness is never accepted in Islam. He is to be abandoned and disciplined for his innovation. And if he continues upon innovation, his repentance is sought [by those in authority]. (Jami’ Bayan Al-‘Ilm wa Fadlihi, 2/96)
Imam Adh dhahabi stated in his work, Siyar A’lam An-Nubala, that Ibn fawrak who was an imam of the Ash’ariyah entered upon the ruler Mahmud Ibn sabkatkin (d. 421H) and said to him: It is not allowed to describe Allah as being above (fawqiyyah) because that would necessitate describing Him [also] with being below… So the ruler said: It is not me who described Allah [with being above] such that I am necessitated [by your assertion]. Rather, it is He (Allah) who has described Himself [with being above]. So, Ibn fawrak was dumbfounded, unable to respond. And when he left the ruler, he died. It was said that his gall-bladder split apart. (17/487)

[@shaheengk5352]

Are Ashari like Shia? or they are more like Sunnah people?

[@salihaytekin7321]

i m confused , thats not just a visitor, this guy is debatting christians on SC! and he is good at it! now he is debatting shamsi?? what the heck 😁😆

[@The_Angry_BeEconomist]

many disagree with Shamsi, but they cannot engage him face to face

[@ruddin93]

Assalaamu alaikum! I was not debating brother Shamsi. I'm a Salafi brother Alhamdulillah! I'm strongly against Asharis and other deviant sects. How could you think of me like that??
I was discussing with brother Shamsi regarding his last week's debate with the Ashari and highlighted the lies and deceit of Asharis. I know this Ashari through a relative of mine.
Brother Shamsi knows I'm a Salafi so for you to think like that really upsets me. I free myself from Asharis and other deviant sects!

[@salihaytekin7321]

@@ruddin93 akhi i love all the videos u r in ! i was just confused at the beginning of that video ! salam to my brother in deen

[@akifshah]

Shia circus 😂

[@LeonMassey-wx6dp]

59 shekels

[@user-vc8wi7ff1j]

Whats an Ashari?

[@hamzamime]

It is a deviated sect that affirms some of Allah SWT Attributes while negating and making taweel of others.

[@SaidulIslam-nw5ts]

@@hamzamime 🤣🤣😂

[@Harris19941]

hahaha deviated
was Imam An Nawawi deviated? or are you gonna make exceptons now as salafis like to do

[@TheMamoun95]

@@Harris19941imam an nawawi was not on the ashari creed. Even Abu Al Hassan Al Ashari affirmed Allahs attributes as did the early asharis. An Nawawi was influenced by Ashari taweel which was massively prevalent at the time but he opposed the usool of the ashari aqidah. It was a mistake but he has made great contributions to ahlul sunnah was jamaa in knowledge. But it is a lie to say he was ashari. Nor was he from the Salaf, and the Salaf opposed the fathers of the late asharis the Kullabiya Jahmiyya.
Commenting on the hadeeth, "I have been ordered to fight the people until they testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allaah (alone) and until they believe in me and what I have brought..." (Saheeh Muslim), an-Nawawee says in his Sharh of Saheeh Muslim (1/210-211):
In (the hadeeth) is a clear evidence for the madhhab of the muhaqqiqeen (those verifying what is correct) and the majority amongst the Salaf and the Khalaf that when a person believes in the religion of Islaam with a firm and resolute belief devoid of any doubt, that this is sufficient for him, and he is a believer amongst the Muhawahhideen. [And that] it is not obligatory upon him to learn the evidences of the Theologians and knowing Allaah, the Exalted, through them. [This being] in opposition to the one who made it obligatory and made it a condition of a person being from the the people of the qiblah [and who] claimed that he does not have the ruling [applicable to] the Muslims except through this. And this madhhab is the saying of many of the Mu'tazilah and some of our associates, the Theologians (Mutakallimoon), and it is a manifest error...
He is directly opposing the Ashari aqidah that is based on ilm Al kalam. (Mutakalimoon) how can someone who refutes the foundations of a aqidah be from that aqidah?

[@werewolf7140]

They are Sufis, the true representative of Alleh Sunnah Whal Jamat and not the deviants like Whabi/Salafi and Tabliqi, who have been influenced by the British.

[@chandrababubabu8817]

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One and only God, who is Father [1 Corinthians 8:6], is existing in heaven as a “SPRIT” [John 4:24]. Before the world was created Word (Jesus) already existed, who was with God and was same as God (John 1:1). The Holy Spirit (Helper), who is also a “SPIRIT” (John 15:26), was too with God’s Spirit

Then Word (Jesus) separated from God’s Spirit and by the Holy Spirit Word (Jesus) came to the world in flesh &blood in human form. Subsequent to crucifixion, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, He ascended to heaven in “SPIRIT” [For Lord (Jesus Christ) is a “SPIRIT” (2Corinthians 3:17-18)] and merged with God’s Spirit and existing as one SPRIT, one God in heaven. For Lord Jesus Christ said “Father and I are one” (John10:30). And Word (Jesus) is same as God (John 1:1). Also, Jesus is a great God and Saviour (Titus 2:13). [These three are divine Spirits]
[Note: As per Surah 4.171 Jesus was the word of God and was a Spirit proceeding from God. Further according to Surat az-Zukhruf 43:61 Jesus will be coming on the Judgement day. Also, Jesus did many miracles and wonders in the world ( Suras 3:49 and 5:110). So, Jesus Christ is heavenly divine and God].
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[@sofianee3580]

Why is he talking about them alone ? 😅

[@hl8302]

Bcoz the last one used Taqiyah, lied, diverted and ducked all in about 10 mins

[@elyamkhan6299]

So, now the atheists has better Fitra than the Muslim Ashari

[@batlefieldproes]

are you shia ?

[@elyamkhan6299]

@@batlefieldproes
You have a daughter for me ?

[@batlefieldproes]

not for Rafidah we not allowed to marry or pray behind shia@@elyamkhan6299

[@user-wv9lg7pr1v]

majority of sunni muslims are asharis?

[@hamzamime]

The majority of the world is Christian. Doesn’t matter what the “majority” is. So sad how humans have a sheep mentality Allah musta’aan. Ashaairah are not Ahlus-Sunnah wal Jamaa’ah. They deviated from the understanding of the best generation..the Companions of the Messenger of Allah peace be upon him. People today think they know more than them Nacuuthubillahi min Thaalik.

[@Harris19941]

​@@hamzamimemultiple hadith stating that we should stick with the majority and that the majority is on the right track and that Allah will no let the ummah gather upon misguidance
plenty of great scholars were Ashari at least in Asma wa Sifat
like Nawawi Qurtubi Ibn Hajar
salafis take knowledge from them
how ironic
The Ashaairah are the true Ahlu Sunnah and the salafis just a sect that continuously contradict themselves

[@OCEAN-fc9wl]

@@Harris19941those scholars you mentioned came hundreds of years after the prophet. If you look at the big scholars at the time of the tabieen you will see they are actually atharis

[@OCEAN-fc9wl]

@@Harris19941 Hasan Al-Basri = Athari
Ayub Al-Sakhtiyani = Athari
Sufyan Al-Thawri = Athari
Ibn Sirin = Athari
Ibn Al-Mubarak = Athari
Al-Shaybani = Athari
Al-Awza'i = Athari
Ibn Shihab Al-Zuhri = Athari
Fudayl Ibn Iyad = Athari
Al-Layth ibn Saʿd = Athari
Yaḥyā ibn Maʻīn = Athari
Sufyān ibn ʽUyaynah = Athari
Ali ibn al-Madini = Athari
Al-Tahawi = Athari
Al-Barbahari = Athari
Abu Hanifah (and his students) = Athari
Malik Ibn Anas (and his students) = Athari
Al-Shafi'i (and his students) = Athari
Ahmed Ibn Hanbal (and his students) = Athari
Ibn Abd Al-Barr = Athari
Al-Tabari = Athari
Al-Tabarani = Athari
Ibn Khuzaymah = Athari
Abu Dawud al-Sijistani = Athari
Al-Baghawi = Athari
Al-Bukhari = Athari
Muslim = Athari
Abu Dawud = Athari
Al-Tirmidhi = Athari
Al-Nasaa’i = Athari
Ibn Majah = Athari
Ibn Taymiyyah = Athari
Ibn Kathir = Athari
Ibn Al-Qayyim = Athari
Al-Dhahabi = Athari
Ibn Rajab = Athari
Al-Mizzi = Athari
Al-Shawkani = Athari
Al-Sa'di = Athari
And many more...

[@Harris19941]

@@OCEAN-fc9wl okey so the scholars i mentioned didn't know what you know and were deviants?
is that the argument here

[@moonmoonStar]

pity when muslims still listen to Shamsi when he has been debunked multiple times by Hijab and Ali Dawah on Sp-files channel. Credit given tohim in terms of dawah, but aqeedah ? Shamsi dont even have any credibility to talk whatsoever.

[@ikraamdaanis]

May Allah cure you from your Himaaqah. Imagine taking knowledge from Hijab, Ali, and SP Files (Hamid) who pretended to be a female Salafi extremist on Twitter to make Salafis look bad.

[@moonmoonStar]

@@ikraamdaanis i dont take knowledge from wahabiyyah and definitely not from Shamsi when it's about aqeedah. He has no credibility to talk about aqeedah whatsoever.

[@ikraamdaanis]

@@moonmoonStar
Allah’s name is الوهاب so what does “wahabiyyah” mean?

[@peace-ym4st]

Brother dnt follow someone blindly hijab and ali are doing gud job no dought but they lied about shamsi .shamsi is more knowledgable than hijab and ali regarding quran and sunnah

[@moonmoonStar]

@@ikraamdaanis you know exactly what i meant. The follower of skewed aqeedah of Abdul Wahab Najd, thus Wahabiyyah who revives the aqeedah doctrine of Taymiyyah. A lot have been debunked regarding the Wahabiyyah proven never the same as the aqeedah of salafussoleh and i dont want to waste my time here. If you Wahabiyyah can labeled the aqeedah of Ahlussunnah Wal Jamaah as Ashari, i'll just do the same. *WAHABIYAH*

[@sohailnazir3370]

Speaking loud shouting screaming is not a definition of being a man it show u are unable to articulate yourself is sign of being afraid so u scream yell to distract the people away facts trying to stir people oh look at me cause I'm loud I'm right. Every discussion u want to dictate how it should flow and when u can't counter u start to interput and talk over them.

[@hamzanocap]

Male yourself to Hyde Park and say this to his face. Ashari demonstrating their cowardice, look at how Allah has humiliated those who lie against Him.

[@MoeedKhan1979]

Ashari and maturidis are great muslims. Shamsi is wrong here

[@hamzamime]

Yea man people who leave the Sunnah are praiseworthy. Wallahi the “love” Muslims claim to have for Nabi Mustafa Alayhi Salaatu wa Salaam is so fake may Allah rectify us.

[@MoeedKhan1979]

@@hamzamime salafi movement itself breaking into small groups. They act like khwarij which is very bad

[@hamzamime]

Attributing yourself to the Salaf as Salih is not a "movement" my brother, rather attributing yourself to Abu Hasan Al-Ashari (he made tawba and freed himself from these innnovated creeds in his works and stated he is on the creed of Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal may Allah be pleased with him) and Abu Mansur Al-Maturidi are. @@MoeedKhan1979

[@TaherGat]

Whats your definition of great muslims if they dont affirm what Allah affirmed for himself

[@HubaishHussain-ty6ek]

pfp checks out

[@user-cy9uz9tk2m]

Shamsi is a cheap ai bot 🤖

[@batlefieldproes]

shia mad again

[@user-cy9uz9tk2m]

@@batlefieldproes
Shia are also cheap ai bots 🤖