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- Muay thai has been shown to be the best striking art in the UFC. Fighter's like Charles Olivera, and Edson Barboza have displayed its effectiveness at a high level. Despite this, a pure muay thai fighter has never crossed over successfully to mma. We discuss all this in today's video.
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Che should fight that Lukas guy for charity or like a giveaway
WHOOP HIS MF WEIRD LOOKING ASS
well well well...
Calling Gaethje a wrestler is the most inaccurate yet technically true thing I've ever heard.
The only thing he has is takedown defense, never use offensive wrestling and when it comes to ground game(bjj) is one of the worst in the ufc.
Gathje is literally a wrestling champion. He doesn’t use it because he prefers to make fights exciting with his strikes
yes thats why I said it was technically true@@enochexe1620
@@enochexe1620he is a mma champ before wrestling, he isn't a wrestler for quite some time now
@@enochexe1620 gaethje was quite lierally a wrestling champ, if you don't use it u lose it
People can start by not calling anything in MMA with kicks, elbows and knees muay thai.
Say it louder
same with grappling and ground fighting...
However, you usually go to a Muay Thai gym or hire a Muay Thai coach for a MMA camp. It's just safe to assume a fighter worked on his MT if he shows up with elbows and knees rather than Lethwei.
@@ChucksSEADnDEADplot twist: he’s a Bajiquan practitioner
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD yeah theyre just training mma
I literally just damn near broke my foot kicking someone’s elbow in sparring yesterday! This is hitting to close to home
Lol sitting on the couch icing my fucked up foot from an elbow too.
The struggle is real
I fucking ruined my toes permanently from that
This is why I just im glad takedowns exist cause my toes and elbows hurt
If you notice their elbow is blocking the body kick go for a high kick but just focus on your shin smacking their wrist and then that’ll get their elbow up so you can go back to the body
Just back from a 3 months at a Muay Thai camp. While there is some MMA in Thailand, it’s a small percentage compared to Muay Thai. But when just playing around, the Thais like to have fun doing MMA and BJJ. Even some of the legends I trained with had fun when hitting the floor and I turned it into MMA or BJJ. They respect grappling a lot but they just don’t train it…it’s not a priority there.
Fun story. I was training with a legend in the clinch and he took me down and tried to choke me out…sort of a random exchange messing around as happens sometimes. He didn’t know I did BJJ and I turned it around on him and he tapped. When he got up he said “good good” and seemed proud of me.
What's his name
This exactly they simply just don’t do Mma
Petchboonchu?
@@lustgas3440 I'd rather not say who it was (not sure how he would feel about that), but it wasn't Petchboonchu. I did spar with Petch and he put me on the mat..but I never got him to the mat (I was also limited to Muay Thai takedowns) and we were focusing on the Muay Thai clinch. Petch is a cool guy...all of the legends I met were cool. They all love Muay Thai and really get into it still.
It’s because people honor and respect the stand up game more. Also, tradition, same as boxing in the west.
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37-0 UFC retired legend, of course he’s got no problems
@@__-rx2mmI most certainly do not think that 😂
@__-rx2mm I said in the video the one man who could beat him was Reyes the night they fought
@@MMAChe.don’t doubt yourself brother your just like Chael sonnen undefeated and undisputed
Bro thought beneil would destroy Charles, hell nah boy
They don't transition because they don't want to disrespect Muay Thai. They must win using Muay Thai, they'd rather lose the fight than betray Muay Thai by switching to a more kickboxing oriented stance or by fighting in the ground, they might train wrestling and jiu jitsu to complement Muay Thai, to defend submissions and takedowns or to help they stand up so they can go back to Muay Thai, but never to replace it in any way. It's a matter of pride.
And unlike wrestling and judo and until very recently jujitsu Muay Thai guys could make a living doing it and it is very respectable. In the US a college wrestler doesn't have a great career path in the sport so he moves to MMA.
Muay Thai is more than a sport, it's also a tradition I think.
Nah buddy mma fighters are trash at muay Thai plain and simple these excuses are pointless their simply not good
@@MatthewLucas-vl6kq or muay thai is overrated, Boxing skillset with the ability to defend muay thai strikes wins
@@ubcroel4022 you can't defend muay Thai without learning muay Thai your not a fighter I can tell
I think Rafael Fiziev is a great example for muay thai in mma. He often comes out with the traditional thai stance but can transition his footwork to ground game defense if he needs to.
and got outstruck by a wrestler
@@6laka. true, but at this point gaethje's more of a striker then a wrestler.
@@6laka.respect gathjes striking
@@6laka.gaethje not a wrestler anymore, and also fiziev won first round when he actually tried to fight smart, then he started to try and brawl with Gaethje and that’s just stupid
@@closed11609 his foundational understanding of positioning and footwork comes from wrestling no matter how long he trains striking for. Theres a reason we see wrestlers come to the ufc and knock out much better strikers and its not because of the threat of the takedown. its because wrestling has a emphasis on a fighter having a strong base and intentional movement. Gaethje has great fundementals that came from wrestling but we can all see his striking technique isn't really stellar. Even fiziev has beautiful striking technique, but has some awful footwork habits that came from years of incorrect fundemental movement mistakes that bleeds into his fights
Petr Yan doesn’t get the credit as a Thai Style for mma. Dude stands so tall at time. Literally straight up. And mixes in kicks, knees, and elbows. People only think of him as a boxer but no. He also formerly trained at tiger Muay Thai
Him, Rafael Fiziev, all the Brazilians i.e. Jose Aldo, Olivera
@@chriskerwin3904 prime aldo was amazing to watch
I feel so bad for Yan man
@@rais6036He'll be back...right?😢
He even effectively uses takedowns. Took Sterling down 7/7 times in their first fight.
A 9 minute video explaining that you need to be able to mix the martial arts to be a good mixed martial artist. And I’d watch it again
So true 😆
Stamp Fairtex from One Championship transitioned Muay Thai to MMA and did really well, even out wrestling wrestlers in fights, check her out
Came here to say this
Same @@HappyBuffalo347
He
thats female mma... not really relevant
@@hipdrive how so ?
Stamp Fairtex is another example of a Muay Thai fighter making that transition, and she's added in a good bit of the grappling as well winning a fight by submission.
i love stamp but I feel like she's the new ronda, great fighter, but because of the lack of worthy competition, could easily be exposed with holes when stronger competition arrives.
@@madmaxiemartialartsnerd485 she lost to Angela Lee there is legit competition in that division
Also, Dejdamrong is Thai and was a former ONE MMA Champion and he was also a former Muay Thai Lumpinee Stadium Champion.
absolutely correct and rafael fiziev also seems to have much better muay thai than others and theres lookboonme the female fighter
And sagetdao
Yes, but ONE doesn't have the best fighters. A lot of their Champions have been destroyed by UFC fighters that aren't even in the top 10 in the UFC. There are videos of this for anyone who doesn't believe it. The grappling in ONE can't compare to the grappling level in the UFC.
The biggest thing is still the fact that MMA is nowhere near as popular as Muay Thai in Thailand so its hard to convince someone from there to do MMA.
What about the rest of Asia?
@@rentfree007_Here in Philippines it’s mostly boxing and weapons stuff like sticks and knives.
Almost no one even knows about MMA.
Also the same reason the best athletes in america go to football or basketball instead of MMA. Who wants to get CTE for like ten grand
This...this right here
Even though this is wishful thinking, depending on how that class action lawsuit plays out it might get a little better financially for mma fighters
Bruh football has way worse CTE, and no they're not "the best athletes", basketball players are too tall like Stefan Struve : at a certain point height becomes a weakness for fighting
And Greg Hardy was in the NFL, we saw how that went...
@@gigachad6885 football has worse CTE for WAY better pay. And yes the best athletes in the US are either going into football or basketball. There are 300 lb NFL defensive linemen running 4.5-4.6 40 yard dashes at the combine every single year these days. In terms of raw athleticism, fighters in the US simply cannot compete. Maybe Jon Jones being the anamoly but his brothers are both football players which goes to show what people do when gifted with those kind of genetics. And height alone is not a "weakness for fighting". Why do you think all these guys kill themselves to cut as much weight as they can before fights and fight 1-2 weight classes below where they should? Size and reach are HUGE advantages in fighting and it's why guys like Tyson/Volk are such a rare and special thing to witness.
@@CaPnBaLlBaG bruh there is a moment where your height becomes an handicap, you chin is too exposed, you can't pivot well, often out of balance... heavyweights who are Stefan Struve's size ALWAYS suck, the good heavyweights are between DC/Fedor and Jones/Stipe size.
Genetics are advantageous in some sports, but not every sport. High bone density is great for running, but horrible for swimming. Long limbs is great for basketball, but sucks for strongman/powerlifting.
There are ZERO basketball players who could become UFC champion in another life, except maybe the smaller ones.
As for football, well... We saw what happened with Greg Hardy 🤣 In shape for football, zero cardio for MMA, gets trashed everywhere
The heaviest heavyweights aren't the best at all, the long reigning champs are always around 230-250 pounds MAX
I think another main problem why a muay thai stance couldnt transer to the UFC specifically is knee restrictions. Restricting knees when an opponent has both hands and knees touching the ground, makes takedowns a much more powerful threat. Having knees would deter grapplers from trying to takedown
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@xxw6235 it isn't just thai, I think its safe to say that most countries think that way. BJJ and wrestling just adds intricacies to fighting by allowing groundwork
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@@jr2d430 BJJหรือJudo ในเกมข้างถนนหรือชีวิตจริง 1ต่อ1 มวยไทยอาจจะแพ้ได้ แต่ในกรณีที่โดนลุมหลายคน มวยไทยสามารถใช้ผลมากกว่าBJJเเน่นอน ถ้าคุณมัวไปกอดรัดฟัดเหวี่ยงคูู่ต่อสู้ลงพื้น คุณอาจจะไม่ได้กลับขึ้นมาสู้ในเกมยืนได้อีกเลย เพราะคุณจะไม่เหลือชีวิตให้สู้แล้ว เพราะคุณจะตายเพราะโดนมีดเสียบทะลุหลัง หรือไม้ฟาดศรีษะตายชะก่อน
@@xxw6235
True I'm from the UK 🇬🇧 England 🏴
People outside of the usa don't care about mma that much
I live in England
People prefer
Muay thai
Karate
Kickboxing
Judo
Jujitsu
Boxing
Taekwondo
Kung fu
And most here grow up street fighting
Going to the ground in real life us not a good idea in real fighting
U need to know how to punch kick
Block
Run jump grapple etc
That's y a lot People here learn to grapple but focus more on striking
A lot of people do no how to wrestle though
But not to much of the general public even like watching
Mma over here
Stamp Fairtex is an extremely fun and good Muay Thai practitioner who transitioned to MMA in a really good way in One championship, she is amazing and showed me how fun it is to see the clinch when someone knows how to use it to damage their opponent
Muay Thai and Boxing is all the striking you need. Wrestling and BJJ for grappling. Muay Thai stance but always ready to defend a takedown.
That’s my goal. I was boxing and wrestling from 9-16, at 18 I fell in love with Muay Thai and been training it ever since. I’m 20 now and plan to take BJJ classes soon.
Eventually I want to have a MMA run at 23 and try to go as far as I can.
Edit: I still wrestle with family members and shadow box regularly so I personally think my skills in those departments haven’t gone dull
muay thai doesn't need anything from boxing
@@user-eb2kv7bg4tdefense, head movement, good combinaisons, timing... You muay thai internet warriors are so full of yourselves lol
@@paulthetruth4768 muay thai fighters defense is way better, boxers can't even defend a lowkick lol. timing? really? hahaha muay thai fighters have the best timing in the world, you can watch seanchai and understand that muay thai is light years ahead in terms of striking if you compare it to boxing,
And in case you didn't know, because clearly you just a mma casual, traditional boxing head movement doesn't work when kicks and knees are allowed, lerdsila, seanchai, buakaw and other muay thai fighters use MUAY THAI head movement, which is very different from the traditional boxing head movement but much better because it works in muay thai where kicks, knees and elbows are allowed.
boxing head movement was developed for the context of boxing where only punches are allowed, while the muay thai head movement was developed for the context of muay thai where punches, kicks, elbows and knees are allowed.
@@user-eb2kv7bg4t ever heard of Muay Thai legend Dany Bill who incorporates boxing in his Muay Thai. Boxers undeniably throw better punches and punch combinations. That’s what Muay Thai can take from boxing.
@@user-eb2kv7bg4tBoxing is definitely useful when you close the gap in muay thai. Look at how Hagerty Koed Nang O. A lot of new muay mat fighters are showing how boxing is a beneficial additional to traditional muay thai
For me there are 3 big problems with Muay Thai in MMA
1. Rigid movement. In MMA you can be taken down so you need to move very well to avoid takedowns and clinches.
2. in Muay Thai, damage to the opponent is prioritized so much that the fighters themselves don't mind taking damage as long as they are causing more damage. However, in MMA, fighters must avoid being hit as much as possible.
3. Too much focus on kicks and not enough focus on working with the hands, I feel that Muay Thai fighters' boxing is very weak, You need to have good hand work in MMA you can't just kick.
Muay Thai system is just failed when there is takes down involve.
I've watched a lot more MMA and boxing in my life than Muay Thai. Every time I see a Muay Thai fight it seems weird to see fighters standing so straight up and not moving much. Sometimes it seems like two guys just taking turns kicking each other.
I'm not knocking the sport; I just don't have enough knowledge of it to appreciate the nuances.
MMA is just another combat sport format and ruleset. Somehow people tend to think it's the be-all and end-all of fighting. Most Muay Thai and Karate fighters don't care, and that's the main reason the real greats of those sports rarely transition to MMA. Those are traditional martial arts and people dedicate many years of their lives to mastering them. There's more to it than people realize. You only go to MMA if you're trying to make money fighting.
I disagree. Most MMA fighters don't make great money or even boxers. It would only make sense if your passionate about it.
Great video. I think the main reason you don’t see that many Muay Thai transitioning to MMA is the same you don’t see that many boxers … they have plenty of opportunities in their sport.
Also, appreciate your observation regarding boxing vs striking. It’s just not the same.
Nah. If you knew how much better the UFC pays than the average boxer earns your jaw would drop. Same with Muay Thai. They fight 300 times and retire broke with a damaged brain.
Yeah, but the fact that you are comparing the biggest MMA promotion in the World against the average Boxing promotion should point you to the correct answer. Last time I checked the sport was MMA not UFC.
As far as Muay Thai … pretty sure that broke fighters with damaged brains are not exclusive to their sport. The 300 fights probably are …
@@TA-hf6siThey have their own sport and their fine competing in what theyre good at. Stop being mad that theyre minding their own business by not trying to be mma fighters
You forgot to mention that a Thai Fighter that is successful in Muay Thai and Mma already exists. It's Stamp Fairtex, one of the greatest female MMA and Muay Thai fighters of all time.
Factssss
It's hard to take the MMA division in ONE serious. No one will put money on Stamp winning against top 3 female UFC fighters, even top 5
Gaethje eye poked the fuck out if Barboza to the point he had to go see a doctor since he was bloodshot for days
I think blending thai and dutch is helpful since there is more boxing in dutch style
Actually, combined Muay Thai, Dutch Kickboxing, and Western Boxing.
Dutch style already has good enough hands the problem with western boxing is that you basically have to unlearn the bad habits that you have learned to even make it succeed to real MMA, like the dogshit front leg stance.
Which I feel like most MMA gyms already do.
@@DADRB0B55thats the same with all styles when it comes up mma?
@nuda2393 it's relative. Casual
Thinking that Muay Thai is the most important martial art for MMA is the problem. You have no business throwing an elbow, kick or spinning shit if you don’t know how to fire a proper punch to begin with.
Striking*
Mf why would you throw a lead hook at a short distance when you can throw an elbow at a short range.
@@vedantnair5894 Because my fist will land way before and from a greater range than your elbow. You also can't really elbow the body or hit the body and then hit the head successively with elbows. Learn some boxing and get back to me.
@@marcoslopez127 Even though you right about the boxing flaws in Muay Thai , it’s not a major one because of their superior clinching and leg kick game which helps them throw lethal elbows. Also do you yourself know how to box ? Do you know what short range and long range mean in MMA . Short range is the “ in the pocket “range. A lead hook is more telegraphed and is easily defended while an elbow can be more elusive to the point that even some boxers land it sneakily in boxing matches ex. Fury vs Ngannou. You sound like someone who doesn’t even train on the heavy bag let alone spar. So don’t tell me what to do when you make stuff from your armchair
I just thought of a topic to cover. What if the blame for a martial art not making it in MMA isn’t entirely on the style but the need for unified rules and balance that made some techniques never leave the dojo. We can address the fine line between an in-optimal technique vs one that’s inaccessible SPECIFICALLY in MMA vs ones that shouldn’t be allowed to legalize in the first place
yes thats something that a lot of people overlook
Here's a thought- maybe the fighter doesn't give a fuck about MMA.
Boxing alone is shit and bad for MMA, but do they give a fuck when they make so much money in their own sport? And that they're a good supplement in MMA anyway?
I think another possible issue is Thai people are relatively smaller, they could fight in flyweight and can fight in bantamweight, but not much on heavier weight classes.
Boom. Looking for this comment. Thai people are much smaller on the average so you would not see many anyway past 145 lbs.
Did you never watched some Muay Thai fighter knock out Heavy weight class?..
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Weight isn't excuse when you are in the war... and Muay Thai build for War when lose your weapon in ancient war to keep fighting that why they use every part as weapon.
Do you think that weight classes do not matter?@@noobsama4103
I followed you just because you said that thing about kicking elbows while sparring. It was so relatable also your friend holding the mitts in the video is very very nice with it 💪🏾
Maybe this is why dutch kickboxing seems to work better for mma
dutch kickboxing is a cheap copy of muay thai
@@user-eb2kv7bg4tdutch kickboxing is basically kyokushin Karate with head punches
@@user-eb2kv7bg4t they are nothing alike
@@user-eb2kv7bg4t😂
@@user-eb2kv7bg4t No it is an improved muay thai ie muay thai + boxing = dutch boxing
Depends on the style with the boxing issue. There some Muaythai fighters that focuses on the hands. The biggest issue is just the stance but like you said . Charles Olivera. A Muay Thai fighter that knows judo , BJJ and wrestling shouldn’t have nearly a issue .
The kicking in the elbow relates to me.
I remember when I was sparring with a friend, he threw a leg kick to my torso, and I just pointed my elbow towards it, he got a huge bump the size of a golf ball right on his shin. Brutal, but got better after 2 days.
Try to block a kick from a muay thai fighter from Thailand and your shoulder will probably be dislocated.
I suppose enough time to get really good with Muay Thai but also having BJJ to a level where they can keep the Muay Thai like stance like Olivera... This way the same stance can be used would make sense.. standing lower if this is the case what will happen is that once available allot of silat fighters might take up the scenes due they're grappling skills are brutal they are really fast kicks really fast once they would have they're boxing up to speed would be crazy.... I think silat guys with increased boxing skills would take over the scenes due they already have the low stance and are extremely fast
I still think the Dagestani formula is superior. Don't get me wrong, I love muay thai and bjj and theyre my main fighting styles BUT if someone can dominate the wrestling + has submissions and decent striking they have the ability to change the fight from standing to on the floor whenever the opponent is too strong in one realm. Also grappling on top will always be a huge advantage to grappling from the bottom in an MMA context.
@@alexanderokak5112 I agree Smash is the best style. Learn enough bjj to counter it then just takedown everyone. Khabib dominated Conor on their feet because he was so scared of the takedown.
I completely agree@@stango141
Good analysis. I always found I would be taken down if I stood too upright like in boxing or muay thai so adopted a low stance. Bas Rutten said you should have a wide, square, forward-facing stance. That helps you deal with the takedowns and the leg kicks, but you don't see so many fighters shooting doubles from the outside anymore. I noticed that most UFC fighters don't fight square. Not sure what the best stance is. I guess it's different for everyone depending on your background, like you said if you are really good at the ground you don't have to worry about the takedown so much.
Watching this video makes me incredibly grateful that my Muay Thai gym also has dedicated boxing, bjj, and wrestling classes alongside the Muay Thai classes. The fighters at my gym are all pretty well rounded and beasts.
Where ?
@@Ziyech1 Sityondtong Los Angeles
You’d think there would be a greater push for Muay Thai since their striking is intense and exciting which is what so many people want to see. There is a good portion of hardcore fans (and let’s face it, most of the casuals) who get irritated when things go to the ground, and exciting Muay Thai joining with the ufc would be great for business, better than slap fighting at least
Always wondered why no imperial stormtroopers were in the ufc despite their tie fighting skillset
Great video, smart commentary. You’ve got a new follower thanks!
Thai has a culture that understand the head as pure and the feet (close to the ground) as dirty. Maybe that explains (in parts) why they dont want to grapple on the ground
they're all at ONE FC lmaoo
Fr, we don’t need Muay thai guys in MMA we need more exposure for 4oz Muay Thai
I honest think learning BOXING first & master boxing then go into Kickboxing/Muy Thai once you learn how to throw kicks properly and throw elbows and knees go into BJJ. You would literally be able to throw any punch or kick and be superior on you’re feet. But if you were taking down and you switch into BJJ you can neutralize the threat and you’re opponent would think twice about going to the ground with you
The problem with mma in mma (and how to fix it)
Fighter pay
So glad you mention the Rountree vs Andrea fight. That was like a movie where the fighter goes away to train as a monk and returns as a savage.
Smacking my foot on elbows is my ultimate Muay Thai finishing move.
These are in my opinion your best videos.
Guys I am a big Muay Thai fan, practicioner and coach, so before you comment, yes, I love Muay Thai. But in the most western gyms, the thing people are teaching and calling it Muay Thai is just a version of Dutch Kickboxing with elbows. I also had that Muay Thai hype in my life, but to be honest, MMA is evolving fast, striking is so much different in MMA, everything changes. Watch Japanese kickboxers, I feel that their base (western boxing + karate + influences from Muay Thai) could be the one of the most effective bases for MMA striking. Their stance is little bit more wide and bladed, it resembles MMA stance (very generalised) much more than traditional Muay Thai stance. They do not rely so much on their high guard like Dutch kickboxers do (again, very generalised). Their striking is fast, effective, they have great coordination. What do you guys think?
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khabib conor dustin justin francis nngano they are legends in mma but they don’t have muaythai, (moral: it doesn’t mean you can win fights because you have lot of strikes, you win fights only when you make strong your limited strikes in proper way)
I hope these fighters come to these youtubers to fix their problems! These youtubers definitely know more than their coaches.
Dejdamrong a 40 year old Lumpinee champion was competitive in MMA after learning take down defense. Most Thai fighters don't train MMA because Muay Thai is a national sport and is almost sacred to them.
Part of why you don't see as many Muay Thai fighters in the UFC is many are in ONE. ONE is closer to home, often pays better, and allows them to fight MMA, kickboxing, and Muay Thai
Just out of curiosity: what styles have you practiced?
top quality content. thank you bro
I remember getting mad at some guy and kicking him to the body. I ended up kicking his elbow and couldn’t walk properly and my shin was like a balloon. I some how lost a fight where the other guy didn’t even throw anything lmao
Thanks for finally admitting that, Conor. An ‘ L’ is still an ‘L’.
"Muay fuit wuza belleun"
Genuinely good video thx
Roundtree vs anders was insane 😮the way he destroyed with muy Thai was legendary
"When you hear the words Muay Thai, what do you think of?" As a late 80's-early 90s kid, my answer is: Sagat.
Great analysis like u said in a few points and the stance is a problem but the main reason (at least for me) is the rythm of muay thai fighting is hard to adapt for mma because is in like diferent phase . a few more exapmples in ufc with great muaythai and good hands (not like u said about barboza) thiago alves, thiago silva, shogun rua, thomas almeida mostly of them brazilian , one of the lastest fighter i see with good muaythai style was jonny pearson . the only thai fighter in ufc is loma lookboonmee with a great improvement in her game evolving in more mma all rounded style. Outside ufc you have Dejdamrong Sor Amnuaysirichoke former strawweight champ in one fc.
In many traditional thai gyms if you bring MMA gear you're gonna get bullied by coaches and other students. They absolutely hate the fact that a way bigger and richer sport is basically cannibalizing muay thai everyone but there and to be honest that reaction isn't entirely unreasonable. A lot of western kickboxers and MT fighters are transitioning to MMA just because there's more money to be made. Those sports are kinda dying, with the talent pool getting more and more shallow and opportunities to go pro becoming scarcer.
It's the natural evolution of fighting.
It's funny how the video says boxing is too limited because it uses only the hands yet most MT and kickboxers transition to MMA for money reasons but there's way more money in boxing and it would be much more easier for them to transition to the limited "easy" boxing.
Dang what the heck, they sound jealous that MMA is the cool kid on the block ig 😂
Sounds like a skill issue
I’d argue that Muay Thai is having another resurgence due to the rising popularity of One. Other than boxing and MAYBE BJJ, training Muay Thai is getting very popular again.
Main reason why MT doesn’t translate well into MMA is b/c it’s a different combat sport fought at a different tempo. Historically, a lot of MT fighters are slow starters since stadium MT fights aren’t scored until round 3 so often times they end up giving up that first round when they transition into MMA. Traditionally, MT’s footwork is also very linea but it’s great at teaching you how to use your weapons b/c after all it’s called the art of 8 limbs. Every MMA fight starts on the feet with a wide base (to defend takedowns), so it’s a prerequisite to develop your hands, that’s why it’s so common to have a boxing coach for mma, not necessarily a MT coach. Boxing also has superior footwork and more options for defense, it’s literally the sweet science of hit and not get hit. That’s why we see a lot of high level mma fighters put so much emphasis on boxing. Kicking has a high-skilled technique that requires time to develop, most mma fighters have a wrestling background and never really learned proper kick technique in the same way MT fighters do. We also tend to see less leg kicks since it can be caught and get taken down.
Good post. For some reason people tend to think that boxing is a low-skill sport that is inferior to all other disciplines. However, the skills you learn in boxing (good head movement, keeping hands up high to defend your face, footwork around the cage/ring, etc) are crucial to learn in MMA.
I would say the biggest weakness of Muay Thai style transfering to MMA is the slow footwork. Footwork is really important in MMA striking (due to long distance between fighters , wide ocatagon ring, grappling etc), you could see muay thai style mma fighters having troubles because of slow footworks. Though there are always room for improvement and there is even a style fixing this problem called "bang muay thai"(yes the one TJ dillashow use) which has fast and dynamic footworks.
I think boxing is still the most important striking art still, muay thai needs some understanding in modern mma but its not nearly as important as punches
That all depends, you have to realize the striking level in MMA is not very high right now and if u had more guys like mirco crop cop, Ernesto Hoost etc these guys would get destroyed with kicks. Boxing is very limited and has many weaknesses and bad habits as well for mma like how guys like usman and porier keep leaning into high kicks. U cannot bob and weave when your opponent knows how to kick and knee
@@K1Kamikazething is though what alot of ppl don't know is what separate the best in mma, muay thai and kickboxing is thier boxing. You neglect your boxing you're gonna get pieced up
@@K1Kamikazeit’s also because of the threat of takedowns and 4oz gloves. Since punches can do a lot more damage, and kicks are riskier due to takedowns. Boxing becomes mores paramount in mma.
Especially when you learn the proper angles of punching and weight shifting like boxers who can punch as hard as MMA fighters can kick.
@@rico14I think with how popular mt matches are getting due to One, that Thai fighters hands are going to be emphasised so much more in the coming years where this will be a non issue in the near future. I am already seeing 4oz fights on regional promotions and lower levels, it is slowly trickling down.
Bro this is literally why Israel just lost this past Saturday! You should do a breakdown of the fight
even though mma striking is its own thing diffrent from muay thai etc, the closest thing to mma striking id say would be wushu sanda.
Great insight very thoughtful
Stamp also was a lifelong Muay Thai practitioner who's been fairly successful in One
I love how that last clip is just olivieria going straight up don Frye on some random dude
Thai boxing doesn’t include open hand strikes such as palms which can used to strike up to the chin and set up catching a limb.
Before I watch the answer to me is that wrestling is the base for most MMA fighters and the Muay Thai stance (high guard light base) leaves you very open to take downs. And then the lack of ground game means you have no defense against submissions or GNP
Hi im new in MMA. I have question about this. So Muay Thai’s vertical tall stance invites take down. Buat khabib’s stance is known for his vertical stance too. I know his stance is different. But what is the explanation? Thank you 🙏
I'm not terribly knowledgeable about the intricacies of stance but I'd imaging with Khabib it's similar to Olivera: he's such a good wrestler he's not afraid of takedown attempts. There's a style called "sprawl and brawl" which is described as using wrestling in reverse. A guy like Chuck Liddell was a pretty good wrestler but he used it to stuff takedowns and keep the fight standing.
Dutch Kickboxing > Thai
I think dutch is better MMA they seem to do better in MMA
@@mikefrisinger5866 yeah Alistair Overeem is the poster child for dutch kickboxing mma
dutch kickboxing is a cheap copy of muay thai
@@exbelleenthusiast2315 he gets his shit KO'ed because he doesn't have the big pillows to hide behind, he's not great rep.
@@user-eb2kv7bg4t they are two beautiful yet pretty different arts
Dutch focuses on boxing combinations and low kicks
Thai focuses on mid or high kicks with elbows and clinsh
Nice analysis.
Man that Ion Cutelaba vs Rountree fight was satisfying 😮💨
Can you also do the problem with Taekwondo and Karate in MMA for future videos?
1:14 interesting drill, been looking for a way to train punching while going backwards
Excellent video
I’m fond of the square stance for sprawling on leg takedowns
Look at Stamp Fairtex from One Championship. She’s transitioned to mma and has even been submitting some people recently
Next video: The problem with MMA in Muay Thai.
You can step back one leg, like a reverse lunge, making a strong stance and turning the double leg into a single leg. And then complete a Russian sprawl to get rid of that.
Stamp Fairtex is an example of a lifelong muay thai practitioner being successful in MMA
Man these videos you make are great.
Forgot to mention Dejdamrong he was a 3x lumpinee champion plus one fc mma champion
5:21 lol true Demetrious Johnson even said how he hates Barboza kicks
ONE Championship is the reason I started back watching MMA. I truly appreciate how this organization conducts their events.
You should take a chance to look at Stamp Fairtex. She fights in ONE Championship and has won the Muay Thai and kickboxing championship there. Shes done really good for herself self in mma at ONE and she’s about to fight for the interim title.
In kengan ashura, Koalan Wongsawat saw the same holes in Muay Thai, stating that in undervalued punching and effective striking.
The thing is you can only be a master at one thing or you could be a well rounded fighter. Its either wrestling, standup or both. One thing is for sure and that is the wrestler dominates all. Just think about that.
I think it’s kinda like wrestling in mma in it’s pure form it doesn’t transition well to mma because of the difference in rules. But adapted it’s very effective.
I think another big factor is the lack of popularity of the ufc in asia. I say this becasue there are loads of thai fighters competing in mma in one championship.
Can you make a video on the Dagistani chain Wrestling style and why no one’s been able to stop it yet? Volk vs Islam might be the closest but overall it’s been completely dominant.
You forgot to mention Stamp Fairtex, former champion and current rank #1 in the One FC Atomweight division.
Very interesting topic and insightful respectful posts in the comments.
Muay Thai for striking and also practice Grappling. Got it
Few years in Thailand followed by few years in Dagestan for my sons
This happened literally at the last ufc fight the main event round 2
I’ve always questioned why Muay Thai fighters aren’t making a big scene in MMA or atleast in the UFC like the kickboxers Adesanya, Periera, Jiri, etc. Thank you for making this video.
Because they like striking and don't give a fuck about grappling? Also MMA pay is shit anyway.
@@TheNEOversethat why muay thai blows
Muay thai has the worst pay of all combat sports.@@TheNEOverse
Jiri is a Muay Thai fighter
@@vedantnair5894 Jiri has a Muay Thai background, but fights like a very athletic karate wannabe.
Barbosa is a beast. But he’s definitely not a Muay Thai “master”, sounds like Rogan calling every fighter who throws a punch a “WorldClass Striker”
Are maybe the rules to blame a bit? I forget what they are exactly, but aren't wrestlers pretty well protected by the rules from getting kneed in the face when shooting a takedown? Though Ben Askren may have something else to say about that.
Dejdamrong and sagetdao are the Perfect examples of muay thai adapted to mma
this why I have years of kickboxing and jiu jitsu under my belt
Poatan also uses that squared Muay Tai-esque stance, even when facing a very good grappler in Jan, (who yes, is a striker first and foremost, but was and still is one of the top 2 or 3 best grapplers in the top ten of the LHW division), Though he did eventually get Alex to the ground and had his back, Alex defended the TD in the first place pretty well - plus did so against Jan's sub attempts. After that Jan was gassed a bit and did try a couple other TD's, one that succeeded, but Poatan still got the better of Jan most of the fight and defended the TD rather well despite using that MT stance and having very little grappling or even mma experience.
Poatan has brutal boxing and low kicks because he's a dutch kickboxer
Not a muay thai kickboxer
@@Bakr_OUAKRIM His stance is very different from a traditional Dutch Kickboxing stance, i wasn't saying he was necessarily a tai boxer himself
I agree
Different than any other stance
Even his guard
One lesson i learned here, get the basics down: striking and grounding/grappling. Train it separately then join mma