Well, fortunately, they do not sell to the public. I have found out and have had an extensive conversation with the Auction as well and out of respect we’re going to keep it unnamed, but you won’t run across this again. I can assure that.
I would definitely call this builder out!!! This shit gives all car guy's a bad name!!! Shame on the auction company for not disclosing the condition of this truck!!!
There’s a lot of things that should have been disclosed, but it’s part of the industry unfortunately just have to learn but out of respect, we won’t disclose the Auction, the seller or the builder when we could easily definitely make them all the laughing stock of the Internet with a push of a button
@@dondagy9109 i can agree on that point as well for sure. But If nothing else those that see the video and do there do diligence will understand and be more knowledgeable on things. Hey maybe thats all the ability that shop has who knows.... we just rather take the higher road at this point and let others learn that may stumble upon the video etc.
I’m really glad that you did this video to show people that don’t know any better what to look for. There is nothing worse than having to tell someone that they bought junk when they bring it to you to check it out!
Do not send it back. They will just sell to someone else. Someone else gets screwed. Keep it. Get $$ refund and then do what you do best. Fix it right.
I just bought one like this myself and the guy totally lied and he did take the time to do a lot right but the stuff he didn’t do made all that credit go away. He lied about new gears , rebuilt engine and trans. A lot of it I didn’t notice until I got it home and started really getting into it. Worst part is what I paid for it.
It’s a damn shame, those trucks are one of the easiest trucks to restore. Everything is available parts-wise and relatively affordable. They are easy to wrench on, there isn’t anything on the truck that’s difficult to work on if you know what you’re doing. Disgraceful.
Absolutely. I recently bought a 1978 GMC K15 Stepside. Got doors, rockers, fenders, fender wells etc for literally less than $1000. You can get parts for these trucks all day long. Just have to put in the labor.
Wow,that is crazy,a waste of ruining a square body,I've always said,WY do people that can't do it right waste ruining a squarebody,Keep ur hands of if u can't do it right! THANKS FOR SHARING THIS.
It still has a decent value. It is a good running fuel injected short bed Chevy. Keep watching. Trust me what goes around comes around get the popcorn 🍿 ready for this one
I have seen a truck from mecum that looks like this. Nice cruiser, but there is clear coat runs all around the bottom. Did you buy it sight unseen? Buyers need to do their research.
The 2 big auction places are a joke. Destroys the hobby in my opinion. A few years ago, my elderly neighbor wanted a change, so went to MECUM. He sold a truly legit 69 427 vette. Bought a 67 failane gt that was absolute junk with a paint job. MECUM did nothing, dude who sold it said "you bought it". Thanks for doing this video. People need to know about the crap on the market right now.
Barrett Jackson in 2007 sold a supposed regular cab short bed factory Silverado 4x4 Cali truck and it was a rot box underneath square body forums have been talking about and this truck for years.... yeah nope unless it is like copart or iia auto auction and i can go over it with a fine tooth comb and crawl under the hood over the motor up under the dash and underneath the truck nope... trust me I've example of nice trucks that explains my looking up under the dash comments
I came to the comments to make a comment, but it looks like many others have already said what I was about to say! I fully understand the maturity and professionalism about not mentioning the "culprits", but unless you got this truck for a price you can't say no to, I believe you should try to return it. Just to make the auction house think twice next time, plus maybe cause some tension between the auction house and the seller/rebuilder. Otherwise, as you said, if you make a few repairs and make the truck right, this truck will get scarfed up in no time, I'm sure. They're very desirable now, as you know! PS. Kudos to you for not trying to pass it on as is.
That’s something one would do to ‘fix up an old beater’ that you’re going to actually drive and use. To try and pass it off as a ‘frame of restoration’ is beyond ridiculous and shady. As one who has been in the old car industry since high school, I’ve seen plenty of stuff that is like this and when I’ve sold them, I let the buyer know EXACTLY what they’re getting, a cool old ride that you can do some finish work to and make it even better. But I never could sleep at night trying to pass off junk as a restored ride.
That’s one of the reasons for our detailed videos we feel like it helps the customers tremendously seeing what they’re getting. We also put a lot of faith in people actually representing Vehicles properly though and that’s the side of this one that is so wrong and we see so much of it happen, we are typically able to catch it, but it catches a lot of others their pants down unfortunately
It’s the bane of the industry. It really gives those who actually give a crap a bad rep because of sleazeballs who are just out to make a quick buck. For 25 years I’ve done paint and body work. I’ve seen so many people get ripped off by some charlatan with a lipsticked pig for a vehicle. Heck, I beg people to just take me with them to look at something just so they don’t get ripped off, I’ve just seen it happen so much I feel bad for folks who just don’t know what to look for.
Just stumbled upon this channel. I have a buddy who sells cars and has been screwed over by auction houses. I wouldn't buy vehicles without seeing them in person. I get that's the new reality though. Great job on this video. New subscriber now!
My buddy bought a 70 Charger convertible like this. But he knew it was cobbled together. Before buying. The body and frame were solid and paint was good. So he still bought it.
I worked for a guy that would do shit like that. He had big and grand ideas but wouldn’t want to put time in it. He’d bid every job and according to him we’d come over his bid every time. I said, “well maybe you shouldn’t be the one bidding jobs”. I soon quit after that.
If you can’t do it right, the first time don’t do it at all. This kind of work is just ridiculous to have to do after somebody attempted to do it right just takes more time and more money.
Frame looks like they sprayed over crusty ,if was frame up , didnt clean frame off, i always check behind steering box and where shocks in rear are bolted to holes to make sure no hairline cracks in frame , what i like about military chevys rear shocks are bolted to big brackets on inside of frame , not to frame holes ,, cover up job here spray paint engine compartment nutty
I worked for a chevy dealer in TN, back in the 80s, we had 1 come in for it's first oil change at 3000 miles, our lof guy (not a kid) drained the oul and installed a new filter and lowered the truck and put new oil in it, he started in and raised it to check for leaks, it was about half way up when the harmonic ballencer went rolling across the floor, it had broken off the end of the crank, after I was done laughing I moved it across the shop and installed a new short block, just goes to show gm was making crap in the 80s
I've been burned myself too so i once bought a nice 80 Chevy c20 garnet dark red Scottsdale beautiful looking truck til the middle of 2005 winter and the bodyline cracked and fell off bondo!!
Thanks for sharing this information to the classic truck community, sorry you ended up with the truck, but you are a much bigger and better man for excepting it and moving forward.
I have a 1965 Fiat 500 Nueva. Everything is present. 13HP two cylinder enging. Fiurspeed manual. The tires are from the late 60's or very early 70's. Body is solid, short of some surface rust. For a none frame off resteration. The employee quoted me a restoration price of $100,000. I told him off.😂😂
@DavisOffRoad1 If I may be so bold as to ask. What would you charge fo the same work? Granted the car has not been driven. Since the late 60's early 70's?
Holy cow. I am currently doing my first ever restoration on an 85 GMC, and I am in no way an expert, but I wouldn't even think to cut the corners they did. Oh and the hole they decided to put a badge over in the cab was the switch to change fuel tanks.
Yeah funny I've never thought of doing that thought about a international sermi engine start toggle on a truck i eliminated the rusted out passenger side gas tank but usually i will go through the hassle of replacing the switch and selector valve and making it functional
Absolutely this is thinking about trying to protect people and their investments.. against the bandaid scammer crooks, that get people hurt driving this junk..no offense to your square body truck.
I’m watching with the volume muted . The biggest problem I see is the rear axle is crooked . The spacing at the driver side rear inner fender well compared to the passenger side is ridiculous. This thing drives in circles
@@DavisDrives Good deal . I’m glad to see it being corrected . Was I right ? Was the rear axle as cattywampus as it looked ? I had the same issue on a 💩lift job years ago
@@Dallas-Rife-UDX-347-Tennessee that part has not been checked but it could have a broke center pin in it for sure which is easy fix but causes big problems
I drive past your shop a lot on my way home to Chester from Richmond and gawk at your trucks while driving by. You have some nice stuff there. I bought my carport from you guys a long time ago.
I know he bought sight unseen….but I would’ve ran as soon as I noticed the body line from the bed to cab was way off. It’s a good truck and can be fixed and is worth fixing. People using deceitful tactics of selling is nothing new, and can be found in all areas of business….
Yes, we couldn’t agree more hence the reason for this video, but we would not have made this video if it was not for the blatant misrepresentation through extremely reputable company, and if we had not seen it before, thankfully this was the first that we own this way, but we had heard the horror stories Just absolutely unreal. Watch part three if you have not already.
I've been to auto auctions over the past 18 years. It's a 50/50 on good verse lemon. These days over raided prices. For beer cans sitting on rubber. I'm still driving a 90 truck. If it breaks fix it. Keep on trucking. Cheers.
Yes, sir, you are correct but the auction house has some responsibility. They do have eyes and can see the misrepresentation was not only by the seller, but also by the auction for not catching this.
You're far more forgiving than I am, I would send it back. The "restoration" was not a frame-off because if had been, they would at least have pressure washed the frame and suspension components. I'm only halfway through the video and I'm more than a little bit pissed off. I'll watch the rest and can only imagine what additional horrors await me. You're an absolute saint for not putting the builder on blast.
Wait till you see part two and soon to come part three but if nothing else, this is proven a great example we’ve had such a reach out of people thanking us for educating because this is exactly what people buy all the time over the Internet. They will quickly learn dealing with a reputable dealer will go a lot further than this backyard hack crap. We have seen it time and time and time again this is by no means the first time and won’t be the last. It will end up a nice truck for somebody, but it should’ve been to start with part three is gonna be a really good one, especially after we speak to management exposing it internally the oversight and such a blatant one.
Part three will also show the block video where in bold letters scrolling across says frame off restoration as well as so many other things that obviously are not true
@@DavisDrives I'll be very interested to see how you clean up the engine bay. What the "builder" did was criminal and made the next guy's (your) work more difficult than it would have otherwise been. I'm waiting for part three.
That’s the thing that blows my mind and all of our guys continue to say the same thing … like it could’ve been so much cleaner and well done so much easier … the work that was put to make it wrong was way way more effort
Quality Door Striker Bolt kit for both doors are about $20 total. I'm 70 years old, it took me less than ten minutes to remove install and adjust both doors. The frame issues and especially those leaf spring shackles and bushings were criminal. Someone could be killed with that monkey business. The front is too high looks silly.
I've just got to go ahead and say it if the auction house didn't catch half of what is not underneath this truck one they need to be trained to spot them, and two they really shouldn't be selling cars to our general public like the mecum legit 69 vette 427 story about got a Fairlane rust bucket it's on one of your comments that story is say needs to be heard as well as a form of education for people in the car community or some that doesn't know much about it just wanted a decent classic car but not astronomical price...see where I'm going with this jw and for reference the bondo truck i just mentioned i gave almost $900 for that piece of junk
I mean if it was just a guy fixing up his truck and not a professional he did a good enough job,looks like a decent driver..When I was 16 I thought I did a awesome job but if I would see them now I probably would cringe...The problem is the auction company mislabeling the truck...then again auctions are auctions,I have seen junk go for $90k before! I am into Mopar and you see so many so-called restored and they are worse than this truck! Missing trim,crappy done interior with parts missing and total junk..1/4 panels wrong and engines rebuilt with performance parts and they are slower than a smaller stock base engine etc..etc..
And yes, if it wasn’t for the representation of frame off, which we have the photo on the Jumbotron showing frame off restoration properly done etc that’s the part that made it bad not bad but TERRIBLE if it just ran across the block as an average old truck, we would’ve purchased it as an average old truck and we would’ve been pleased not happy but we would have got what we bargained for
I disagree! Whoever built this went out of their way to purposely deceive the buyer from the problems! All that undercoating and paint to cover/hide rust is despicable! My guess is the further you dig into this, the more problems you will find!
Thank you for posting this. The uninformed and inexperienced could learn to just look a little closer at the details that make these "restorations" valuable. From your short walkaround, I see less than 400$ in parts needed, with the time and know-how that would have yielded a 40k truck. no excuses for not adjusting the bed correctly, replacing pedal pads, ALL bushings, a weekend under the hood, my god...can just keep going. buff and wax. And to think that whoever did this, it's not the first time. Screwing ppl for years I'd bet.
Bought a 78 c10 at auction last year... lots of new parts but lots of shoddy workmanship.. I got hosed big time and the auctioneer outright lied about some things and didn't disclose known problems... going to lose my shirt on this one
This is the shit I live for. Thanks for showing their mistakes on their "show quality" build. This happens far too much. However the amount of class it takes to redo their bandaids and boogers without trashing them on broadcast here is hard to come by. Good on you. We are all in this business supposedly for passion of the craft, however for most that soons turns to bs baby back bitching about being broke or someone stirring a pot of drama. So it's cool to see someone pick it apart without the drama, just like the real life stuff we see EVERYDAY. We don't worry about who did it, we do it right so there is no need to question again.
Unfortunately, this is commonplace with flippers. Kiwi just went over an old Mustang that makes this look like a prize. If you don't know, it's worth paying someone who does to take a look before buying.
Remember the utg special video of the blue restomod cougar,scrap heap would be more accurate and the woman who bought the fridge f series Ford truck..ouch
if you can't pre auction inspect it yourself hire a service to do it. If it's not as advertised you don't bid. Lack of due diligence beforehand is also foolish when your spending real money that you worked for. life lessons suck at times.
We learn lessons all the time it’s not to teach our own selves. We’ve had 50 years of doing it. It’s too educate those that don’t understand and the biggest point on this one is the misrepresentation watch episode three for the auction posted information.
That's sad! That separates the pro from the keyboard mechanics! Probably hoping some young kid would buy it before auction! Props to you for being a good man, not saying builders name!!!
You’re exactly right. They prayed on the novice for sure. And as for the name of the shop just a bigger person and a respect thing. Not that we would not like to call them out but it would cripple a business and maybe that should happen sometimes … if we save somebody else a costly mistake than it was worth it
@@DavisDrives you are definitely the bigger man! Just wanna add, a couple months ago went to Motorama in Harrisburg Pennsylvania. The so called show cars n trucks with tens of thousands dollar paint jobs with panel gap! Lol. You got a new sub my guy, much respect 💯💪🇺🇲
Oh yeah the industry is bad these days so many people just don’t see the good from bad… we can’t make every vehicle a six figure vehicle, but we can surely represent what is at hand properly
@@DavisDriveswhat if so young inexperienced driver got it and hit someone because of the leaf springs no bushings and sitting on the frame, so yeah they should be called out for other reasons not as serious but still... That's not only shoddy that is basically willingly endangering others they sold it
Makes me feel better about my 79 k20 I’m in the process of building. It’s far from perfect. But each piece I touch as I go… I do 100% right. With my ability and tools. Even if it takes longer and I’m moving slow. My truck compared to this at a glance… wouldn’t hold up well. But when I’m done.. there won’t be a laundry list of things that need to be corrected. It’ll be done, done.
Yep you’re right. But frame off restoration description 😂 wow. That’s just a bold face cover up lie. But it worked… in theory but pretty sure there will be less of it because not many in the square world miss our channel or other social media outlets we have. Just hope lesson learned and it doesn’t cost anymore. Every penny they have saved for a kids first time truck that they dreamed of and saved for … then it would really be a bad bad day
You have to know what you are buying and just replace the door hinges and alignment and accept what you bought. That's a great year model of truck. So I really don't feel bad for you guys for buying. If you don't check it out first before buying? It's your loss
We don’t feel bad either just trying to educate people that don’t know so that they don’t buy something like this with all their money and have no more money to spend. We will make it into a nice truck.
Exactly he just said the purpose of the video is to inform the public of what can happen and unless you request very specific detailed clear pictures you can easily get burned learned from that the hard way ,80 Chevy c20 Scottsdale hurt but not like the almost $2,000 dollar running driving 87 regal sport coupe nope base model stripper V6 vin a 3.8 Buick 231 2bbl dual jet Oldsmobile 307 V8 th350 swapped Michigan nightmare that one stung!!!
That is sad. I had the same body style but a Chevy. With a 350. I was living in Fort Myers at the time. I finally got the engine running perfectly. Then. Some stolen it. Left me only the cab. After the cops found it. It went to the junkyard. I had to pay for it all. They did leave me a note on the driver's door in spray paint. I can't say it on TH-cam of what it said. I just put a new transmission in it. They took the engine, transmission, and tires. Brand new 33-inch tires as well.
I guarantee whoever did this really wouldn't care if you called them out. They might not get any more big auction sales. But they know their local/regional clientele will be happy roll around in what looks like a $40k truck for just $18k all day long.
O.k first of all guys, I've been watching just half of your video and I've commented before with you I am not afraid like 90% of the viewers are to say my name and what I am so proud of doing for 45 years over you-tube . I am a restorer also and am sickened to see this kind of truck build. I as you might remember am a generation older than you guys which even makes my past job even harder because it bumps me up another 25-50% in retail price bracket. Looking at your video here I can honestly say you probably have ---now I am not a square body expert but I am saying my comfortable whole sale area would be about 7-10K. That would leave me a bit of room to make it from it's current shit condition to something pretty acceptable. You guys know I am sure you can't make many of those deals and stay in business. Sorry for your loss !!!!!!!!!! Jim
Appreciate the support if nothing else it will teach some people what to look out for and realize there are a lot of shady people in this business unfortunately, that only wanna make a quick buck. Things like this happen, but if it was somebody’s first vehicle or their dream purchase, and it turned out like this, it would be very saddening. Just figure if we could save somebody the headache and heartache we would do so.
@@DavisDrives Well, all I can say is you guys are the exception----you're honest classic car and truck dealers ---hope you guys do good, good luck !!! Jim
Oh yes, you’re definitely correct on that but all of the incoming lead wires are also cut so they could do aftermarket gauges complete hack job. We are cleaning up currently.
This is somewhat my comment on looking up under the dash and I've also seen a buddy's nice looking 71 Chevy c20 custom factory sbc 350 truck crate motor 260hp 350 th 350 turbo supposed to be a th400 but it was a built transmission my best friend and his buddy hired someone to rewire the engine compartment and under the dash of this truck and i should have taken pictures of my best friend's Chevy c20 good 117k miles survivor wv truck ac truck even but every wire was dark blue no joke
It was orange and white roof and bumpers factory rear step bumper truck factory disc brake equipment truck with the decal on the tailgate but id be ready to fight someone over paying good money for supplies and quality wire and crimper pliers channel lock brand and Klein wire stripper pliers, and insulated crimp connectors and vinyl coated ones, and the results are everywhere dark blue wires... nope absolutely a nightmare trying to diagnose a simple heater fan speed switch, and the water temperature gauge light and sender not working...
Yes or the e4mc trucks with the tcc clutch and California emissions they also have two check engine lights lol,I'm sure they probably had other options and That's what it got that particular bezel but that is why my 86 chevy k20 custom deluxe 350 th400 np208 had that bezel just completely black no trim at all not even the silver rings painted on detail, my 82 Chevy k20 Silverado on the other hand had the same type bezel and the brushed aluminum trim and the top wait light and check guages because it was a factory diesel 6.2 4spd truck even if it was sbc th400 automatic tilt steering column custom steering wheel swapped when i got the truck.oh and i have since learned a few things from the 80 Chevy c20 Scottsdale bondo truck too
@@drjohnsonhungwell5115 try researching Stacey David's gearz TH-cam channel and trucks old speed channel show also here on TH-cam anyway both have built a complete kit for the square body beds you might find out which one to go for and learn some tips putting it together in the process sir...
Yep, a good 30 foot truck. Up close it's a mess. I would definitely return this junk. If not I would want a serious price reduction to help pay for some of your costs to repair/upgrade the shoddy work.
Unfortunately, not really an option last year, able to go to these auctions and facilities in person which we do not have the time staff or ability to do
I had the 87 step side custom deluxe 1st vehicle I ever owned and I gave $7,500 in 95 for it but it was 3 speed with granny gear last year of those body styles and 1st of fuel injection loved that truck wished I still had it!!
Truck still has value because of what it is.. but that is straight fraud calling it a frame off restoration …auction company should be held accountable too , should be some kind of responsibility .. that engine bay , omg ..
It’s not a learning curve we’ve been through well over 20,000 vehicles in this business you do lose some and win some the biggest point of this video was not complaining. We will fix it. We will get past it. It’s what we do all day every day … it was to show the blatant, misrepresentation that takes place at these bigger auctions
Just wait to see the gem they build from this truck the downside unfortunately is it won't be cheap to fix but this is still a short bed 4x4 gm square body truck someone will have a nice truck when it is treated right
The front bumper issue is probably because no washers and the top uses either thick washers or shims and it would probably fit better but im guessing something in the front is sprung or bent, because the condition of the leaf springs and i still get aggravated because young inexperienced driver and novice is their collective audience of potential someone could get hurt in this truck or because of it
I would call them out for real,when you popped that hood it told the story for you.Everything before that was bad but I could see a kid doing those shaky repairs but that spray everything job was a meat of it.
Man this gives honest shops a bad name there are actually quite a few honest shops that would never let a vehicle out like this would definitely call out the builder or at least the auction.
Maybe one day we will but it’s not the important part as making people aware this happens every single day. We see so much junk that people pose as prizes it’s unreal. Just want others to know to look twice or have a educated shop check it before buying it
@@DavisDrives actually it is important for people who want work done or a vehicle restored and don't want to be swindled out of there hard earned money for shops that respect the vehicle owners as you do. It is important however I do understand how not wanting to blast another shop for maybe 1 or 2 mistakes the mistakes you showed should not be acceptable especially the safety aspects .
I feel you. That's 90% of our bread and butter. Shit bought at auction. We have had 4 squares in the past year, 2 from auction, 2 from other shops. One had 6 dead mice in the overflow tank, another needed the whole drivetrain rebuilt. They were all restored, frame off.
I can tell you as an old school doing body work the box and cab don’t line up and same with the gaps in the tailgate. Yes that is the worst frame off I have ever seen!
This truck was converted to single tank. Where they had that 1500 badge glued to the dash is right where the selector switch would be. I'd rather drive a square that was looking more like swiss cheese than this one. And as much as I hate to say this but this one would be better off as a parts truck at this point. Something else I noticed is it looks like the left rear is farther forward than the right rear unless the bed is twisted to the left.
Almost 40 years as a dealer in the car bissness, I never heard of anyone believing a auctionner, The old saying that( if his lips are moving )😅WELL., where do you think that saying came from..😂😂😂
😂😂🤣 true but at this auction what they read on the screen is what the seller disclosures and what the auction authorizes watch the other parts of this video and you’ll understand quite a bit better
It’s definitely not cheap but it’s what we do and we have the parts in stock and manpower. Of course we would have loved to been as represented, but this is more proving a point an example at this point. it will go deeper. We have a meeting with Auction management tomorrow so don’t worry we will put in our two cents
Why didn't they just use a 2 or 3 inch body lift on it to even everything out the body line? A whole set of poly bushings are cheep and everything is easy to install on square body. Wish I had it...but that's probably what it'd look like when I was done.
Replacing the bushings alone would level it more. If you have to use a body lift to hide fitment issues/stance, opens a can of worms, everything else wrong would be glaring
I want to know how in the heck they even got the tailgate out of alignment. So they did a frame off restoration and reused all the old bushings? Glue a "1500" emblem over where the gas tank selector switch was? Definitely a shame to put that money into it and do a half-assed job
I've been building cars since the mid seventies. The past few years I started building one or two at a time and if they don't want it right I don't take the job. Call them out they make us all look bad.
That's the way I was taught. My Dad was a farmer and he painted semi. trailers. I was taught to prep them and later paint. If it wasn't right the ole man would give us hell but lessons stuck.
Yea, just finished whole video. Bad, bad, bad business and by the way probably 99% of us watchers know the auction company so you got that covered. Take care !!!! Jim from Iowa.
The entire aftermarket has become a giant Failure ! Everything i have purchased in the last twenty years is junk ! Ive had to rework everything to the point of just making my own parts or just not using any aftermarket stuff. They can die off like so many others before them.
Auctions work just fine when vehicles are represented properly we’ve been buying from auctions for 47 years and have bought and sold over 20,000 vehicles. The problem lies when they are deception and untruthful people involved with false representation.
These trucks were shit boxes when they came out. Most were rusty as shit within 5 years and rattled right off the dealer lot. Now they’re popular, but that doesn’t make them a quality built truck.
Call them out... As a customer, we deserve to know who NOT to go to. Thanks.
Well, fortunately, they do not sell to the public. I have found out and have had an extensive conversation with the Auction as well and out of respect we’re going to keep it unnamed, but you won’t run across this again. I can assure that.
Unacceptable….
Shameful. That's a Good from Far but Far from Good Truck.
I would definitely call this builder out!!! This shit gives all car guy's a bad name!!! Shame on the auction company for not disclosing the condition of this truck!!!
There’s a lot of things that should have been disclosed, but it’s part of the industry unfortunately just have to learn but out of respect, we won’t disclose the Auction, the seller or the builder when we could easily definitely make them all the laughing stock of the Internet with a push of a button
@@DavisDrives all that does is allow someone else to get taken by not calling them out. Not everyone is restoration savvy to see all the shortcomings.
@@dondagy9109 i can agree on that point as well for sure. But If nothing else those that see the video and do there do diligence will understand and be more knowledgeable on things. Hey maybe thats all the ability that shop has who knows.... we just rather take the higher road at this point and let others learn that may stumble upon the video etc.
@@DavisDrivesso you prefer to protect the guilty parties while less knowledgeable customers get screwed .
Bottom line, you have to inspect what you buy. Every time.
I’m really glad that you did this video to show people that don’t know any better what to look for. There is nothing worse than having to tell someone that they bought junk when they bring it to you to check it out!
Wow. I’d send that back to auction and arbitrate it. Definitely not frame off. That truck is a mess.
It was yes on its way to big changes now
Send it back. No if's &s or but's... that is fraud. Call them out.
Have a chat with the general manager tomorrow I think they realize they messed up
Do not send it back. They will just sell to someone else. Someone else gets screwed.
Keep it. Get $$ refund and then do what you do best. Fix it right.
Get atleast your fees reimbursed jw you have a bunch of investment in fixing it correct so you can drive it safely down the road...
I just bought one like this myself and the guy totally lied and he did take the time to do a lot right but the stuff he didn’t do made all that credit go away. He lied about new gears , rebuilt engine and trans. A lot of it I didn’t notice until I got it home and started really getting into it. Worst part is what I paid for it.
NIce......I especially like how the engine compartment was painted without cleaning or priming...very nice!
😂😂 and they even missed half of that part
It’s a damn shame, those trucks are one of the easiest trucks to restore. Everything is available parts-wise and relatively affordable. They are easy to wrench on, there isn’t anything on the truck that’s difficult to work on if you know what you’re doing. Disgraceful.
You’re exactly right
Absolutely. I recently bought a 1978 GMC K15 Stepside. Got doors, rockers, fenders, fender wells etc for literally less than $1000. You can get parts for these trucks all day long. Just have to put in the labor.
Yup!
Yep. My first vehicle was an 80 Gmc short bed. Tough ass truck. It was eating the 5.0 mustangs any day.
Wow,that is crazy,a waste of ruining a square body,I've always said,WY do people that can't do it right waste ruining a squarebody,Keep ur hands of if u can't do it right! THANKS FOR SHARING THIS.
Amen !
Lol
Ruined!?!
Not even close
@@fastinradfordable Buy it then!
Not calling them out , is bad on you. That truck is shit. Barley Worth 3500.00 as far as I'm concerned
It still has a decent value. It is a good running fuel injected short bed Chevy. Keep watching. Trust me what goes around comes around get the popcorn 🍿 ready for this one
That's a lipstick restore. Flippers f up everything.
Yup they do
I have seen a truck from mecum that looks like this. Nice cruiser, but there is clear coat runs all around the bottom. Did you buy it sight unseen? Buyers need to do their research.
God bless you for not being me sir..
They need to be named so nobody else gets scammed, that's crazy that an auction would let it go like that.
Watch episode 3 where it even shows on the screen restoration frame off and custom interior 😂
The 2 big auction places are a joke. Destroys the hobby in my opinion. A few years ago, my elderly neighbor wanted a change, so went to MECUM. He sold a truly legit 69 427 vette. Bought a 67 failane gt that was absolute junk with a paint job. MECUM did nothing, dude who sold it said "you bought it". Thanks for doing this video. People need to know about the crap on the market right now.
Yes, sir you are 100% correct. It’s a shame but if you don’t have a critical eye your gonna get screwed at these prices
Barrett Jackson in 2007 sold a supposed regular cab short bed factory Silverado 4x4 Cali truck and it was a rot box underneath square body forums have been talking about and this truck for years.... yeah nope unless it is like copart or iia auto auction and i can go over it with a fine tooth comb and crawl under the hood over the motor up under the dash and underneath the truck nope... trust me I've example of nice trucks that explains my looking up under the dash comments
I came to the comments to make a comment, but it looks like many others have already said what I was about to say! I fully understand the maturity and professionalism about not mentioning the "culprits", but unless you got this truck for a price you can't say no to, I believe you should try to return it. Just to make the auction house think twice next time, plus maybe cause some tension between the auction house and the seller/rebuilder.
Otherwise, as you said, if you make a few repairs and make the truck right, this truck will get scarfed up in no time, I'm sure. They're very desirable now, as you know!
PS. Kudos to you for not trying to pass it on as is.
Thanks for the comment and watch episode 3 it gets better
Love my 1978 Chevrolet Silverado drive it everyday. Take care of it and you will not have to replace it
Lol the gages holding the ashtray up and the emblem covering the tank selector hole that's great
Seriously nice effort they put into it lol
@@DavisDrives lol oh yeah
The gauges were also in the way of the shifter.
They painted the air cleaner
@@frotobaggins7169yeah no one tested the 4wd in this truck you'd have to bend the gauges up to shift transfer case lever forward
That’s something one would do to ‘fix up an old beater’ that you’re going to actually drive and use. To try and pass it off as a ‘frame of restoration’ is beyond ridiculous and shady. As one who has been in the old car industry since high school, I’ve seen plenty of stuff that is like this and when I’ve sold them, I let the buyer know EXACTLY what they’re getting, a cool old ride that you can do some finish work to and make it even better. But I never could sleep at night trying to pass off junk as a restored ride.
That’s one of the reasons for our detailed videos we feel like it helps the customers tremendously seeing what they’re getting. We also put a lot of faith in people actually representing Vehicles properly though and that’s the side of this one that is so wrong and we see so much of it happen, we are typically able to catch it, but it catches a lot of others their pants down unfortunately
It’s the bane of the industry. It really gives those who actually give a crap a bad rep because of sleazeballs who are just out to make a quick buck.
For 25 years I’ve done paint and body work. I’ve seen so many people get ripped off by some charlatan with a lipsticked pig for a vehicle. Heck, I beg people to just take me with them to look at something just so they don’t get ripped off, I’ve just seen it happen so much I feel bad for folks who just don’t know what to look for.
Just stumbled upon this channel. I have a buddy who sells cars and has been screwed over by auction houses. I wouldn't buy vehicles without seeing them in person. I get that's the new reality though. Great job on this video. New subscriber now!
We appreciate the sub. More fun to come for sure
My buddy bought a 70 Charger convertible like this. But he knew it was cobbled together. Before buying. The body and frame were solid and paint was good. So he still bought it.
I worked for a guy that would do shit like that. He had big and grand ideas but wouldn’t want to put time in it. He’d bid every job and according to him we’d come over his bid every time. I said, “well maybe you shouldn’t be the one bidding jobs”. I soon quit after that.
If you can’t do it right, the first time don’t do it at all. This kind of work is just ridiculous to have to do after somebody attempted to do it right just takes more time and more money.
This kind of scam would stop if you would call out the builder. By not doing so, you make them continue and you become part of the problem.
Watch the other videos it may shed a bit more light on things
Frame looks like they sprayed over crusty ,if was frame up , didnt clean frame off, i always check behind steering box and where shocks in rear are bolted to holes to make sure no hairline cracks in frame , what i like about military chevys rear shocks are bolted to big brackets on inside of frame , not to frame holes ,, cover up job here spray paint engine compartment nutty
Yep, you got that right
Why my project truck is usually tire apart no motor so i can see everything wrong they can't hide anything...
I worked for a chevy dealer in TN, back in the 80s, we had 1 come in for it's first oil change at 3000 miles, our lof guy (not a kid) drained the oul and installed a new filter and lowered the truck and put new oil in it, he started in and raised it to check for leaks, it was about half way up when the harmonic ballencer went rolling across the floor, it had broken off the end of the crank, after I was done laughing I moved it across the shop and installed a new short block, just goes to show gm was making crap in the 80s
Crazy
Sad enough these trucks cost so much now. Even worse when people get away with selling them in this kind of condition at those prices
Oh it’s far worse sometimes this just tip of iceberg we have seen worse
Yeah exactly...
I've been burned myself too so i once bought a nice 80 Chevy c20 garnet dark red Scottsdale beautiful looking truck til the middle of 2005 winter and the bodyline cracked and fell off bondo!!
Thanks for sharing this information to the classic truck community, sorry you ended up with the truck, but you are a much bigger and better man for excepting it and moving forward.
Well it’s the way we were brought up .. isn’t always the best business move for making money, but best move as a man
I have a 1965 Fiat 500 Nueva. Everything is present. 13HP two cylinder enging. Fiurspeed manual. The tires are from the late 60's or very early 70's. Body is solid, short of some surface rust. For a none frame off resteration. The employee quoted me a restoration price of $100,000. I told him off.😂😂
Crazy what it cost for sure
@DavisOffRoad1 If I may be so bold as to ask. What would you charge fo the same work? Granted the car has not been driven. Since the late 60's early 70's?
We do not take on outside work unfortunately unless it’s chassis, suspension, and performance items in the Offroad shop
Holy cow.
I am currently doing my first ever restoration on an 85 GMC, and I am in no way an expert, but I wouldn't even think to cut the corners they did.
Oh and the hole they decided to put a badge over in the cab was the switch to change fuel tanks.
Sure was very sloppy work
Yeah funny I've never thought of doing that thought about a international sermi engine start toggle on a truck i eliminated the rusted out passenger side gas tank but usually i will go through the hassle of replacing the switch and selector valve and making it functional
Need a builders registery similar to the BBB that allows quality builders to shine while shaming the con artists
That would be epic!!!
Amazing idea
Absolutely this is thinking about trying to protect people and their investments.. against the bandaid scammer crooks, that get people hurt driving this junk..no offense to your square body truck.
I like how they put 1500 emblem were the tank selector switch use to be. I didn't see the passenger side fuel tank either.
Haha yep
I’m watching with the volume muted . The biggest problem I see is the rear axle is crooked . The spacing at the driver side rear inner fender well compared to the passenger side is ridiculous. This thing drives in circles
It was a mess, but quickly becoming a nice rig
@@DavisDrives
Good deal . I’m glad to see it being corrected . Was I right ? Was the rear axle as cattywampus as it looked ? I had the same issue on a 💩lift job years ago
@@Dallas-Rife-UDX-347-Tennessee that part has not been checked but it could have a broke center pin in it for sure which is easy fix but causes big problems
I drive past your shop a lot on my way home to Chester from Richmond and gawk at your trucks while driving by. You have some nice stuff there. I bought my carport from you guys a long time ago.
Very cool! Stop in check the new facilities out sometime
@@DavisDrives will do thanks.
I would definitly state who did the work, if for nothing else so no one else goes through this.....sad work ethics
Follow along we have more content coming on this one
I saw trouble from 20 feet away when the bed and cab were different heights.
And how the front suspension sits at rest where the truck was parked..yep
I would definitely give them a call and let him know what you think.
Watch the other episodes
I know he bought sight unseen….but I would’ve ran as soon as I noticed the body line from the bed to cab was way off. It’s a good truck and can be fixed and is worth fixing. People using deceitful tactics of selling is nothing new, and can be found in all areas of business….
Yes, we couldn’t agree more hence the reason for this video, but we would not have made this video if it was not for the blatant misrepresentation through extremely reputable company, and if we had not seen it before, thankfully this was the first that we own this way, but we had heard the horror stories Just absolutely unreal. Watch part three if you have not already.
I've been to auto auctions over the past 18 years. It's a 50/50 on good verse lemon. These days over raided prices. For beer cans sitting on rubber. I'm still driving a 90 truck. If it breaks fix it. Keep on trucking. Cheers.
Yes, sir, you are correct but the auction house has some responsibility. They do have eyes and can see the misrepresentation was not only by the seller, but also by the auction for not catching this.
You're far more forgiving than I am, I would send it back. The "restoration" was not a frame-off because if had been, they would at least have pressure washed the frame and suspension components. I'm only halfway through the video and I'm more than a little bit pissed off. I'll watch the rest and can only imagine what additional horrors await me. You're an absolute saint for not putting the builder on blast.
Wait till you see part two and soon to come part three but if nothing else, this is proven a great example we’ve had such a reach out of people thanking us for educating because this is exactly what people buy all the time over the Internet. They will quickly learn dealing with a reputable dealer will go a lot further than this backyard hack crap. We have seen it time and time and time again this is by no means the first time and won’t be the last. It will end up a nice truck for somebody, but it should’ve been to start with part three is gonna be a really good one, especially after we speak to management exposing it internally the oversight and such a blatant one.
Part three will also show the block video where in bold letters scrolling across says frame off restoration as well as so many other things that obviously are not true
@@DavisDrives I'll be very interested to see how you clean up the engine bay. What the "builder" did was criminal and made the next guy's (your) work more difficult than it would have otherwise been. I'm waiting for part three.
That’s the thing that blows my mind and all of our guys continue to say the same thing … like it could’ve been so much cleaner and well done so much easier … the work that was put to make it wrong was way way more effort
@@DavisDrivesthe auction house should go after the builder themselves as well.. legally because they involved them to consignment to sell this truck
Quality Door Striker Bolt kit for both doors are about $20 total. I'm 70 years old, it took me less than ten minutes to remove install and adjust both doors.
The frame issues and especially those leaf spring shackles and bushings were criminal. Someone could be killed with that monkey business.
The front is too high looks silly.
Yep you are correct
I've just got to go ahead and say it if the auction house didn't catch half of what is not underneath this truck one they need to be trained to spot them, and two they really shouldn't be selling cars to our general public like the mecum legit 69 vette 427 story about got a Fairlane rust bucket it's on one of your comments that story is say needs to be heard as well as a form of education for people in the car community or some that doesn't know much about it just wanted a decent classic car but not astronomical price...see where I'm going with this jw and for reference the bondo truck i just mentioned i gave almost $900 for that piece of junk
I mean if it was just a guy fixing up his truck and not a professional he did a good enough job,looks like a decent driver..When I was 16 I thought I did a awesome job but if I would see them now I probably would cringe...The problem is the auction company mislabeling the truck...then again auctions are auctions,I have seen junk go for $90k before!
I am into Mopar and you see so many so-called restored and they are worse than this truck! Missing trim,crappy done interior with parts missing and total junk..1/4 panels wrong and engines rebuilt with performance parts and they are slower than a smaller stock base engine etc..etc..
Yes, you are correct. The list could go on.
And yes, if it wasn’t for the representation of frame off, which we have the photo on the Jumbotron showing frame off restoration properly done etc that’s the part that made it bad not bad but TERRIBLE if it just ran across the block as an average old truck, we would’ve purchased it as an average old truck and we would’ve been pleased not happy but we would have got what we bargained for
I disagree! Whoever built this went out of their way to purposely deceive the buyer from the problems! All that undercoating and paint to cover/hide rust is despicable! My guess is the further you dig into this, the more problems you will find!
Unfortunately Kenneth Brown is almost guarantee is right..
Thank you for posting this.
The uninformed and inexperienced could learn to just look a little closer at the details that make these "restorations" valuable. From your short walkaround, I see less than 400$ in parts needed, with the time and know-how that would have yielded a 40k truck. no excuses for not adjusting the bed correctly, replacing pedal pads, ALL bushings, a weekend under the hood, my god...can just keep going. buff and wax. And to think that whoever did this, it's not the first time. Screwing ppl for years I'd bet.
From 10 feet away It looks good. I had black 1983 Chevy just like it without the issues.wish I still had it.
Yep this is a 100 footer lol
Easiest way to know it isn’t a frame off is all the rubberized undercoat…
First step in any hide the rust repair
Yep exactly
Bought a 78 c10 at auction last year... lots of new parts but lots of shoddy workmanship.. I got hosed big time and the auctioneer outright lied about some things and didn't disclose known problems... going to lose my shirt on this one
Welcome to the world of that same on this one direct misrepresentation
Ouch this is exactly what jw and his family are making this video for information to us to try and prevent us from being taken badly...
This is the shit I live for. Thanks for showing their mistakes on their "show quality" build. This happens far too much. However the amount of class it takes to redo their bandaids and boogers without trashing them on broadcast here is hard to come by. Good on you. We are all in this business supposedly for passion of the craft, however for most that soons turns to bs baby back bitching about being broke or someone stirring a pot of drama. So it's cool to see someone pick it apart without the drama, just like the real life stuff we see EVERYDAY. We don't worry about who did it, we do it right so there is no need to question again.
Yes, sir, could not have said it better myself. Follow along. It’s a pretty interesting journey.
First clue, a proper "frame off" restoration would have ensured the bodylines of the cab and bed line up.
True story should have said bed off for butcher job
that is a nice seat, i bet the chevy it came out of was a nice truck.
The rest of the truck will match it eventually
Unfortunately, this is commonplace with flippers. Kiwi just went over an old Mustang that makes this look like a prize.
If you don't know, it's worth paying someone who does to take a look before buying.
Remember the utg special video of the blue restomod cougar,scrap heap would be more accurate and the woman who bought the fridge f series Ford truck..ouch
if you can't pre auction inspect it yourself hire a service to do it. If it's not as advertised you don't bid. Lack of due diligence beforehand is also foolish when your spending real money that you worked for. life lessons suck at times.
We learn lessons all the time it’s not to teach our own selves. We’ve had 50 years of doing it. It’s too educate those that don’t understand and the biggest point on this one is the misrepresentation watch episode three for the auction posted information.
You notice how the LR wheel isn't centered with the wheel well?
Spring pin, broken
That's sad! That separates the pro from the keyboard mechanics! Probably hoping some young kid would buy it before auction! Props to you for being a good man, not saying builders name!!!
You’re exactly right. They prayed on the novice for sure. And as for the name of the shop just a bigger person and a respect thing. Not that we would not like to call them out but it would cripple a business and maybe that should happen sometimes … if we save somebody else a costly mistake than it was worth it
@@DavisDrives you are definitely the bigger man! Just wanna add, a couple months ago went to Motorama in Harrisburg Pennsylvania. The so called show cars n trucks with tens of thousands dollar paint jobs with panel gap! Lol. You got a new sub my guy, much respect 💯💪🇺🇲
Oh yeah the industry is bad these days so many people just don’t see the good from bad… we can’t make every vehicle a six figure vehicle, but we can surely represent what is at hand properly
I’m sure there are legal reasons you choose not to call them out, but I can’t think of any other reason unless there is some connection with them!
@@DavisDriveswhat if so young inexperienced driver got it and hit someone because of the leaf springs no bushings and sitting on the frame, so yeah they should be called out for other reasons not as serious but still... That's not only shoddy that is basically willingly endangering others they sold it
I never would have seen these mistakes until after I bought it😮
As would most anyone else also the purpose for the series of videos is just educate the public that may or may not know
thanks for watching this truck was solely bought off of description and the announced condition and was a blatent misrepresentation obviously
Makes me feel better about my 79 k20 I’m in the process of building. It’s far from perfect. But each piece I touch as I go… I do 100% right. With my ability and tools. Even if it takes longer and I’m moving slow. My truck compared to this at a glance… wouldn’t hold up well. But when I’m done.. there won’t be a laundry list of things that need to be corrected. It’ll be done, done.
Because they knew someone would buy it from the internet, nobody would have bought this in person! Sorry fellas.
Yep you’re right. But frame off restoration description 😂 wow. That’s just a bold face cover up lie. But it worked… in theory but pretty sure there will be less of it because not many in the square world miss our channel or other social media outlets we have. Just hope lesson learned and it doesn’t cost anymore. Every penny they have saved for a kids first time truck that they dreamed of and saved for … then it would really be a bad bad day
You have to know what you are buying and just replace the door hinges and alignment and accept what you bought. That's a great year model of truck. So I really don't feel bad for you guys for buying. If you don't check it out first before buying? It's your loss
We don’t feel bad either just trying to educate people that don’t know so that they don’t buy something like this with all their money and have no more money to spend. We will make it into a nice truck.
Exactly he just said the purpose of the video is to inform the public of what can happen and unless you request very specific detailed clear pictures you can easily get burned learned from that the hard way ,80 Chevy c20 Scottsdale hurt but not like the almost $2,000 dollar running driving 87 regal sport coupe nope base model stripper V6 vin a 3.8 Buick 231 2bbl dual jet Oldsmobile 307 V8 th350 swapped Michigan nightmare that one stung!!!
That is sad. I had the same body style but a Chevy. With a 350. I was living in Fort Myers at the time. I finally got the engine running perfectly. Then. Some stolen it. Left me only the cab. After the cops found it. It went to the junkyard. I had to pay for it all. They did leave me a note on the driver's door in spray paint. I can't say it on TH-cam of what it said. I just put a new transmission in it. They took the engine, transmission, and tires. Brand new 33-inch tires as well.
I guarantee whoever did this really wouldn't care if you called them out.
They might not get any more big auction sales. But they know their local/regional clientele will be happy roll around in what looks like a $40k truck for just $18k all day long.
Considering they wanted almost 40… they knew how and where to place it to hoodoo someone
Put new striker bolts in, that’s fix the door closing issue, though it shouldn’t be needed on a “restored truck”
It’s all fixable the biggest part of this whole story is the representation and the expectation versus what we really received
Remember when the doors would sag and the hoods would bend in middle.junk
Oh we remember well
O.k first of all guys, I've been watching just half of your video and I've commented before with you I am not afraid like 90% of the viewers are to say my name and what I am so proud of doing for 45 years over you-tube . I am a restorer also and am sickened to see this kind of truck build. I as you might remember am a generation older than you guys which even makes my past job even harder because it bumps me up another 25-50% in retail price bracket. Looking at your video here I can honestly say you probably have ---now I am not a square body expert but I am saying my comfortable whole sale area would be about 7-10K. That would leave me a bit of room to make it from it's current shit condition to something pretty acceptable. You guys know I am sure you can't make many of those deals and stay in business. Sorry for your loss !!!!!!!!!! Jim
Appreciate the support if nothing else it will teach some people what to look out for and realize there are a lot of shady people in this business unfortunately, that only wanna make a quick buck. Things like this happen, but if it was somebody’s first vehicle or their dream purchase, and it turned out like this, it would be very saddening. Just figure if we could save somebody the headache and heartache we would do so.
@@DavisDrives Well, all I can say is you guys are the exception----you're honest classic car and truck dealers ---hope you guys do good, good luck !!! Jim
We appreciate that a whole lot
So why not call these people out?
Its the ONLY way to keep people from getting ripped off by these criminals.
Part 3 will explain a lot
I know why all the gauges are dead. When they put the dash back in they didn't ground it.
Wish it was that easy. The wires are chopped.
@@DavisDrives that's why there is no ground connection. Every gauge on the dash needs a good ground connection. It's the common denominator.
Oh yes, you’re definitely correct on that but all of the incoming lead wires are also cut so they could do aftermarket gauges complete hack job. We are cleaning up currently.
This is somewhat my comment on looking up under the dash and I've also seen a buddy's nice looking 71 Chevy c20 custom factory sbc 350 truck crate motor 260hp 350 th 350 turbo supposed to be a th400 but it was a built transmission my best friend and his buddy hired someone to rewire the engine compartment and under the dash of this truck and i should have taken pictures of my best friend's Chevy c20 good 117k miles survivor wv truck ac truck even but every wire was dark blue no joke
It was orange and white roof and bumpers factory rear step bumper truck factory disc brake equipment truck with the decal on the tailgate but id be ready to fight someone over paying good money for supplies and quality wire and crimper pliers channel lock brand and Klein wire stripper pliers, and insulated crimp connectors and vinyl coated ones, and the results are everywhere dark blue wires... nope absolutely a nightmare trying to diagnose a simple heater fan speed switch, and the water temperature gauge light and sender not working...
that truck is like a real life AI generated picture lol. looks REALLY good from a distance until you just start paying just a LITTLE attention 😂
True that! Very much so
Is not the bezel dash cover originaly off a diesel with the start/wait light provision between the fuel and speedometer.
Correct
I noticed that, too. Daily drove an 89 Suburban with a 6.2L until I got t-boned a few months back. Slowly rebuilding that beast.
Yes or the e4mc trucks with the tcc clutch and California emissions they also have two check engine lights lol,I'm sure they probably had other options and That's what it got that particular bezel but that is why my 86 chevy k20 custom deluxe 350 th400 np208 had that bezel just completely black no trim at all not even the silver rings painted on detail, my 82 Chevy k20 Silverado on the other hand had the same type bezel and the brushed aluminum trim and the top wait light and check guages because it was a factory diesel 6.2 4spd truck even if it was sbc th400 automatic tilt steering column custom steering wheel swapped when i got the truck.oh and i have since learned a few things from the 80 Chevy c20 Scottsdale bondo truck too
Have you had any experience's with a complete bed kit wirh all new panels ?
We have not our body shop has, but we have not personally
@@DavisDrivesI've got a 78 K10 short bed and have been considering all.new sheet metal but just wonder about fitment with aftermarket parts
@@DavisDrivesI've got a 78 K10 short bed and have been considering all new
sheet metal but just wonder about fitment with aftermarket parts
@@drjohnsonhungwell5115 try researching Stacey David's gearz TH-cam channel and trucks old speed channel show also here on TH-cam anyway both have built a complete kit for the square body beds you might find out which one to go for and learn some tips putting it together in the process sir...
Yep, a good 30 foot truck. Up close it's a mess. I would definitely return this junk. If not I would want a serious price reduction to help pay for some of your costs to repair/upgrade the shoddy work.
Watch episode 3
That’s why I’d rather build one myself not do like people say just buy one already built!
Just depends on the level you are looking for it goes both ways this one was misrepresented badly
Exactly!!
@DavisDrives i can understand this viewpoint as well..
What about inspecting the truck before buying?
Unfortunately, not really an option last year, able to go to these auctions and facilities in person which we do not have the time staff or ability to do
I had the 87 step side custom deluxe 1st vehicle I ever owned and I gave $7,500 in 95 for it but it was 3 speed with granny gear last year of those body styles and 1st of fuel injection loved that truck wished I still had it!!
That was a great combo step sides got rare in those years
@@DavisDriveshad the wooden bed to lol 😂
Clue #1 Scooby-Doo. Never buy a truck with a roll pan. Especially a restoration with one.
We deff hate a roll pan
@@DavisDrivestrue but after fixed a 10 inch nice quality drop center rear bumper would look sharp on this truck
Truck still has value because of what it is.. but that is straight fraud calling it a frame off restoration …auction company should be held accountable too , should be some kind of responsibility .. that engine bay , omg ..
Yep the misrepresentation is the whole reason for the video
Did this truck come from Missouri that looks like one a kid in my neighborhood had and it’s gone now
No it was Nc
How do you stay in Business? With your learning curve.
It’s not a learning curve we’ve been through well over 20,000 vehicles in this business you do lose some and win some the biggest point of this video was not complaining. We will fix it. We will get past it. It’s what we do all day every day … it was to show the blatant, misrepresentation that takes place at these bigger auctions
Just wait to see the gem they build from this truck the downside unfortunately is it won't be cheap to fix but this is still a short bed 4x4 gm square body truck someone will have a nice truck when it is treated right
The purpose of this series of videos was 😮 inform us people!!
I know im late but isnt thst reatend cocked the driverside rear tire isnt centered as the passenger side
The front bumper issue is probably because no washers and the top uses either thick washers or shims and it would probably fit better but im guessing something in the front is sprung or bent, because the condition of the leaf springs and i still get aggravated because young inexperienced driver and novice is their collective audience of potential someone could get hurt in this truck or because of it
Driver side rear axle seems to be not centered. Does it drive dog run style?
Had a Broken spring pin
Was wondering that myself
In the words of the great philospher Robert Palmer, "A pretty face dont make a pretty heart"
Dang right
Lol awesome analogy
Does that seat have a chevy logo in the middle of it that would be a nice seat in a chevy truck but i would not but it in a gmc truck
Haha yep
That 1500 plate may be where a factory dual-tank toggle switch was located
It was
Did gmc back then come with a chevy seat or was that just not mentioning because the seat was in good condition lol
Seat was the only good thing lol
Did you notice that steering wheel horn cap
I would call them out for real,when you popped that hood it told the story for you.Everything before that was bad but I could see a kid doing those shaky repairs but that spray everything job was a meat of it.
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Seeing pictures of the engine compartment would have been a deal breaker for me. I would have passed.
Yes true
Is the wagoner for sale
Sure is there are two of them
@@DavisDrivesit's not a wagoneer but you should watch the Willy's pickup truck video too sweet truck so are their two wagoneers!!
1:26 a dent on right side of tailgate about where a badge would go in the white space…
Yep
The handle looked askew as well.
Man this gives honest shops a bad name there are actually quite a few honest shops that would never let a vehicle out like this would definitely call out the builder or at least the auction.
Maybe one day we will but it’s not the important part as making people aware this happens every single day. We see so much junk that people pose as prizes it’s unreal. Just want others to know to look twice or have a educated shop check it before buying it
@@DavisDrives actually it is important for people who want work done or a vehicle restored and don't want to be swindled out of there hard earned money for shops that respect the vehicle owners as you do. It is important however I do understand how not wanting to blast another shop for maybe 1 or 2 mistakes the mistakes you showed should not be acceptable especially the safety aspects .
We agree with that, but we try to stand at a higher level of integrity, so it’s a double edge sword on what to do
They are called rust trucks for a good reason
😂😂
I feel you. That's 90% of our bread and butter. Shit bought at auction. We have had 4 squares in the past year, 2 from auction, 2 from other shops. One had 6 dead mice in the overflow tank, another needed the whole drivetrain rebuilt. They were all restored, frame off.
Any car generally we didn't build that's brought to us looks like this and is brought to us to number 1 be safe to drive. Number 2 to make it right.
Yep could not have said it better
I can tell you as an old school doing body work the box and cab don’t line up and same with the gaps in the tailgate. Yes that is the worst frame off I have ever seen!
This is the “I gotta buddy who builds these trucks “ type of build 😂
YOU HAVE GOT THAT RIGHT !!!! Spot on my man we hear it every day and this is the result
This truck was converted to single tank. Where they had that 1500 badge glued to the dash is right where the selector switch would be. I'd rather drive a square that was looking more like swiss cheese than this one. And as much as I hate to say this but this one would be better off as a parts truck at this point. Something else I noticed is it looks like the left rear is farther forward than the right rear unless the bed is twisted to the left.
Good catch the center pin in the spring was broken
@@DavisDrives The I see this truck the more I want to cry like a baby. And what's under the hood exactly anyway?
350 tbi
Almost 40 years as a dealer in the car bissness, I never heard of anyone believing a auctionner, The old saying that( if his lips are moving )😅WELL., where do you think that saying came from..😂😂😂
😂😂🤣 true but at this auction what they read on the screen is what the seller disclosures and what the auction authorizes watch the other parts of this video and you’ll understand quite a bit better
Sometimes you have to call these people out. Send it back if it was me. The cost of fixing it is not cheap.
It’s definitely not cheap but it’s what we do and we have the parts in stock and manpower. Of course we would have loved to been as represented, but this is more proving a point an example at this point. it will go deeper. We have a meeting with Auction management tomorrow so don’t worry we will put in our two cents
Why didn't they just use a 2 or 3 inch body lift on it to even everything out the body line? A whole set of poly bushings are cheep and everything is easy to install on square body. Wish I had it...but that's probably what it'd look like when I was done.
Replacing the bushings alone would level it more. If you have to use a body lift to hide fitment issues/stance, opens a can of worms, everything else wrong would be glaring
I want to know how in the heck they even got the tailgate out of alignment. So they did a frame off restoration and reused all the old bushings? Glue a "1500" emblem over where the gas tank selector switch was? Definitely a shame to put that money into it and do a half-assed job
Yeah so crazy just doesn’t make sense
They black painted socket on top of the breather was a nice touch 🤣
👍👍 you nailed it
looks like it is a nice donor for a full restoration , depends how much rust is under the shinny red paint
It’s coming along now
I've been building cars since the mid seventies. The past few years I started building one or two at a time and if they don't want it right I don't take the job. Call them out they make us all look bad.
That’s a good way to be … if you can’t do it right why waste time to do it completely wrong
That's the way I was taught. My Dad was a farmer and he painted semi. trailers. I was taught to prep them and later paint. If it wasn't right the ole man would give us hell but lessons stuck.
Yes proper way to do it
Yea, just finished whole video. Bad, bad, bad business and by the way probably 99% of us watchers know the auction company so you got that covered. Take care !!!! Jim from Iowa.
The entire aftermarket has become a giant Failure !
Everything i have purchased in the last twenty years is junk !
Ive had to rework everything to the point of just making my own parts or just not using any aftermarket stuff.
They can die off like so many others before them.
This is why I DO NOT do auctions you have to do your due diligence when you buy a vehicle
Auctions work just fine when vehicles are represented properly we’ve been buying from auctions for 47 years and have bought and sold over 20,000 vehicles. The problem lies when they are deception and untruthful people involved with false representation.
These trucks were shit boxes when they came out. Most were rusty as shit within 5 years and rattled right off the dealer lot. Now they’re popular, but that doesn’t make them a quality built truck.
True but they have a great following from that era