Going further on the theory. Is it possible that by caring about Harry that much the effect of the deluminator works with Harry? When Harry meets Voldemort in the chambers of secrets Harry says Dumbledors name and then Fawkes shows up… something random that’s suddenly less random…
Dumbledoor says that it was Harry's extreme loyalty that called Fawkes to the chamber, which implies that Fawkes chose to go rather than being sent by Dumbledoor
but the deluminator sends you to the person you care about most when they say your name. for it to teleport fawkes dumbledore would need to be there unless fawkes is somehow connected with dumbledore
@@JahanMisra hmmm isn’t that a possibility? I remember some quote that stated a Phoenix always finds a Dumbledore and Albus’ grandfather had one, he himself had Fawks, and Credance nursed one to health at the end of CoG. Interesting point!
One thing I think you overlooked: it is interesting how Dumbledore could find someone if they said his name, its very similar to how Voldemort put a curse on his name and could find someone as well. However, dumbledore operated out of love and hope, and Voldemort operated out of fear and hate, therefore his magic being weaker.
*Why was it important that harry should (try to) die willingly???????* After all, even if voldemort used killing curse when Harry didn't wanted, it would've still killed the horcrux and harry would have been safe.
@@everythingselect6625 yes thats true but when harry wanted to die willingy and sacrifice himself for the people in hogwarts during the war, harry shield himself between the people and voldemort. Which is what harrys mother did for harry and gave him protection. So when harry shield himself for them (well, he needed to die anyway) that gave protection to people in hogwarts from voldemorts spells. Its basicly the same with lilly and harry
Maybe Credence is really one of the Dumbledores, so the movie is about his secrets. Just like Return of the Jedi, in which the latter one turns out to be Darth Vader returning to the light as a Jedi Anakin.
@@sebastianjacobsen727 that is true! But also there were some times that if Dumbledore had just told Harry some stuff, there would have been a lot less trouble 😂
@@naomi_falk sure, as he aknowledges himself.. but its hard to know in the moment, so why take a chance? He had his eyes on the target, to save the world.
@@sebastianjacobsen727 to save the world.. at the expense of 2 generations of child soldiers who’s lives were lost in the name of something they didn’t really even understand. they didn’t know what would become of themselves or their children because dumbledore didn’t tell them the truth or his plan.
I know it’s an unpopular opinion… but I didn’t think Crimes of Grindlewald was really that bad. Lol I guess mostly thanks to the adorable-ness of Newt and Tina.
My gripe with it is more like, it is not actually a movie that has any merit existing on its own. First Fantastic Beasts was a movie, CoG was about 100% just a set up.
Me too! Most people don't like that there were so many loose ends, but that's exactly what would have happened if all the HP books got split into 2 movies to fit everything in; the first parts would have ended with incomplete story lines. I just always saw Crimes as a part 1, I guess, and fully expected everything to be tied up later.
@@Nintentohtori It's not bad, just a messy and poorly constructed film. There's still plenty to enjoy about it, but I am glad to see it looks like they've found a better balance with TSoD!
@@michaelmariano9519 it's really not a good film/story, they put so much into the film that didn't need to be there like all the leta lestrange backstory. Don't get me wrong setting up plot for the secrets of dumbledore was necessary, but they could have gone about it much better and made a more satisfying ending to the film.
Personally I think since they’ve had to recast Grindelwald in each movie they should just recast him for every movie and explain it that he is actually a metamorphamagus.
Doubtful. This mirror-verse thing is new to the Harry Potter world, but communication or observation via reflective surfaces is called scrying and is an established concept of magic in all of fiction.
I think Dumbledore found a way to communicate with people (both living AND dead) through the mirror. I believe the message in the mirror says "Do you know where its kept" - it's probably from Grindelwald? Is he asking about the blood pact? There is also a new "Secrets..." teaser and we see another message in it. It says "I want to come home". Maybe it's Ariana??? That would be wild. The only thing is - why this mirror is located in Aberforth's pub? And why it looks like HE uses this mirror and reads these messages? EDIT: I just figured it out! Do you remember that piece of mirror Sirius gave to Harry? I think its the same freaking thing. And in the Deathly Hallows Aberforth was using this mirror too to keep an eye on Harry. *mindblown*
I always thought the reason Ron could hear Harry and Hermione say his name and then come find them is because he took the light from one of the lamps in the tent but never put it back. Thus the light stored in the deluminator acted as a magical bridge.
I’ma take this one step further: “Fear of a name only increases fear of the thing itself.” - Albus Dumbledore This phrase takes on WHOLE new meaning after this nugget of information!!
Something worth noting here: During that fight on the street, where Dumbledore has Credence on the ground... they're on top of large puddles of water. Reflective surfaces. Like mirrors. Also, notice how when Dumbledore uses the Deluminator in the mirror world, all the light in the world is flowing into the it, with the only other light source being, wait for it... The puddles. Shining light from the real world. The Deluminator isn't some gateway into the mirror world, but it is the most powerful weapon in said world. Mirrors work by reflecting light, right? Without light, they don't work. What happens when you remove light from a mirror world? It disappears. That's what I believe is happening in this scene. Dumbledore pulls Credence into the mirror world, whips out the Deluminator and starts taking all the light. He threatens to leave Credence in the empty void unless he comes quietly. Credence relents, so Dumbledore brings them back.
Sadly, the story behind Credence isnt that exciting. He's just Aberforths son. Jk Rowling should've rather outsourced the writing to you guys, as these theories are much better than the reality
**spoiler FB3*** Just saw this video after having seen the new fantastic beasts movie and it makes me sad. For years I have rooted for your creative and awesome magical theories like this one. Compared to that, the actual "explanation" of the credence mystery in the new movie is so sad, unspectacular and unmagical. And it feels like the last few years of spinning theories are kind of pointless and make the movie even more dissapointing. In my head canon, I'm sticking with the SCB theories
I came up with a theory: Dumbledore tried to extract the obscures from Ariana and was half successful. He then thought of this idea when fighting Credence in this mirror-verse world and he is trying to extract the obscures from Credence when pinning him down and taking him back to the real world. He used the deluminator like he used for Ariana.
@@SuperCarlinBrothers *Why was it important that harry should (try to) die willingly???????* After all, even if voldemort used killing curse when Harry didn't wanted, it would've still killed the horcrux and harry would have been safe.
@@everythingselect6625 But if Harry didn’t die on purpose and actually tried to fight Voldemort, he would have won because he is simply a better wizard. He had to go in wandless (so to speak) so he could defeat Voldemort in the final battle.
you can see the lights actually exploding in the clip you are talking about with Credence in cloud form and you say hes not breaking the lights but you can see the lights breaking clear as day. if you go to 5:28 and watch the second light from the left when it goes out you can clearly see glass and stuff exploding from it.
It's not glass, though in the film there is a zapping noise. It's almost like the light briefly scatters before it disappears (58min 10seconds on Fantastic Beasts 1)
@@jordanbalke just looking at the clip they show themselves its clearly the glass housing of the lamp exploding. You can see the shards of it, just watch the second light from the left in the clip they show and you can see it. Slow it down if you have to but you can clearly see it. So its not the same as the lights going out like they did on Privet Drive when Dumbledore used the deluminator in the first book. Which means that part of their theory doesn't hold water for me (not commenting on the rest of it because I honestly like their final conclusion I just don't see how the obscurus turning off or destroying lights actually matters overall).
OHHHHH MY GOOOOD! OMG OMG MIND BLOWN! This makes total sense. I actually howled with the last part. Somehow I had even thought something similar when the last movie came out but thought it was too impossible. Great work guys, really killings it with these last videos. I just hope the movie is as good as these videos and they don't let us down again.
One of My favorite quote from Dumbledore will always be: "Happiness can be found, even in the darkest of times, if one only remembers to turn on the ‘light." 👀😉 I know what he means by that but what else could he mean by it?…👀😉 and yes I 💯agree with everything you said and more! 🧙🏼♂️✨🔮
My theory was that the deluminator is just a tool for "calming" an obscurus. When an obscurial manifests their obscurus they lose themself and become lost to the outside world. They become obscured. The deluminator's ability to restore light is how it encourages and clarifies for the obscurial to find themself again. The person-locating/hearing functionality is just to help the user find the person under or inside the obscurus. Dumbledore will use the deluminator to pull Creedence back to the light. Bonus theory: Aurelius Dumbledore is just a scheme from Grindlewald to fulfill a prophecy he had. The prophecy will be something like "Dumbledore will be defeated when his love for a precious sibling clad in darkness is broken." Grindlewald tried to break that love as children and failed. Now, Grindlewald manufactures the sibling that will undo Dumbledore.
I realised while watching this that the deluminator’s power of taking you to someone who says your name is remarkably similar to the taboo that allows the snatchers to find anyone who says Voldemort’s name.
5:20 if you watch carefully you can notice that the last light that went out actually had the light bulb explode You can see smoke coming from where the light was I can't speak for the rest of the lights that went out because they looked just like what the deluminator does It was just that last one that was a little weird
In another comment chain, some argue this light makes a buzzing sound when it goes out not breaking glass. I agree with you. How they present it in the video seems like they contradict themselves. They should've addressed this detail if it is true and is buzzing, not glass shattering.
what if when obscurials change themselves into their obscurus form, somewhat their body and the "black foggy thing" switch places from non being to real world.The deluminator could use that to teleport Dumbeldore during the fight while credence obscurus is messing around ..
I love how J gets so rilled up on a spiderweb of topics that by the time he brings us back to the OG point of the video I’ve completely forgotten what it was 😅
Yes! You finally went back to the Credence is Ariana's obscurus turned human theory! I've been saying that for 2 years and you only made one video on that idea once. It's too perfect
@@umwha idk. I guess that's the way they executed the spell, or maybe it's a copy of an already existing baby, though I don't know why they would choose a boy then yeah
I wonder if we might see Dumbledore create the deluminator by extracting the obscurus from Creedence. How? Well, Newt figured it out, so Dumbledore probably knows how.
"What you desire most" and "it takes you to your treasure", so the Deluminator is Capt Jack Sparrow's compass? LOL. Now we know why he was fighting Dumbledore all this time!
The deluminator is kind of like a Wizard (EMP) electro magnet pulse, magical battery, homing beacon and possibly a way to absorb and channel magical energy. The Obscurus, like a parasite, feeds on magic as an energy source to essentially satiate itself. The deluminator can then release said light as energy channeled through the Wizard to defend against the Obscurus. It’s literally a struggle between light and dark with the Wizard balancing the two with the deluminator and as we know the deluminator can transport Wizards, it’s reasonable to assume with the right Magic and energy, the Deluminator could be used to transport it’s user into a sort of light mirror world where the Obscurial’s power can be negated.
What I love about this channel is that the theories are a genuine attempt at further understanding the series they pertain to. Most other theory channels just explain theories they heard. Ben and J actually come up with their own theories and have been right a lot. Like when they theorized the plot for frozen two using the Norwegian compass. It gets me excited to see new movies to see how right or close they were.
"Newt removed the entire obscurus from a Sudanese girl. Unfortunately, the girl didn't survive." And you just called Newt more highly skilled than Dumbledore! Actually, failure like this was probably the reason Dumbledore knew NOT to remove an entire obscurus. Like the old saying in medicine; "The operation was a success, but the patient died."
I find it incredibly ironic and beautiful that Dumbeldore find a way to use is own name and give it so much weight similarly to Voldemort (with the tabo spell).
Wouldn’t Dementors also be able to “put out the lights? (Ex: In PoA, as the one dementor gets close to and boards the Hogwarts Express, not only does the temperature vastly drop, but the lights throughout the train are shown flickering in each car until they are all fully extinguished.
5:28 if you slow it down during the scene where Creedence is supposedly turning out the lights you can see that he actually is destroying them. You can see the glass from the street light shattering and flying outwards.
In another comment chain, some argue this light makes a buzzing sound when it goes out not breaking glass. I agree with you. How they present it in the video seems like they contradict themselves. They should've addressed this detail if it is true and is buzzing, not glass shattering.
What's the range/power of the deluminator? Could you use it on a full moon? The sun? Probably not, but could you black out a city? Also what happens if you don't put the light back? Will the lamp never work again? What if you hook up a new lamp to the same wiring?
@@foxeon737 You can hold several lights in it. That's how he was able to keep the whole of privet drive dark, when dropping off Harry with the Dursleys. Also if you remember when Ron put the light on in the basement in Malfoys manor there were several orbs of light floating since they couldn't return to their original source.
Another great Fantastic Beasts video! Honestly, I'm quite sure that you guys should write the rest of the Harry Potter canon, instead of letting JK ruin her franchise.
I still believe he is not a Dumbledore and the only reason why the Phoenix changed from a chick to a phoenix is because he touched Grindelwald because if they both cut themselves and became blood brothers that means the Dumbledore blood runs through Grindelwald and the Phoenix changed because of that I think he thinks if he uses Credence against Dumbledore you can kill Dumbledore without going against the blood pack I do believe that the three of them almost died that day that Arianna died
@@lordvika2526 yes in the books but these movies have not followed suit nor really can they… the books had hundreds and hundreds of pages these movies have a set number as they have to stay within the 2.5 hour movie crunch time and as we saw with Crimes of Grindelwald they can’t get too complicated otherwise they won’t have the time to explain anything well.. I believe by hiring a second screenwriter to assist this time the story will be clearer and more narratively sound, but it will in turn become much simpler
I think you have to be more specific in the not be able to turn off light. But wizards are able to turn off lights but light which come from fires. Like dumbledore demonstrates in PoA and GoF. ( movie atleast not 100 percent sure about book) They have problems with light created by electricity. That is where the deluminator shines ( get it). But in the movies we see another thing that can turn off lights, also electrical. That are demontors. In every scene they are in the light either turn completely off or flikker so much that they are pretty much useless. Train scene in PoA light in the train turn off. OotP, the light in the tunel flikkers truns off the moment the demontor appears. Edit: fixing some spellin. There are probably still some there.
Are we going to get any content, thoughts, reactions to the recent Hogwarts Legacy state of play video?! The game looks like everything I ever wanted a Harry Potter game to be.
As prep for Secrets Of Dumbledore & after recently binge-watching SCB theories, I just rewatched Crimes of Grindy for first time in a couple years … • Firstly, I did forget how CoG was shot so beautifully - set design, costuming, cinematography, CGI, etc … & trailer for SoD looks just as good or better • Next … time definitely heals some wounds: while the complete non-explanation of how Credence survived still bothers me - along with the initial, cringy exchanges betwixt Next & Tina (all because of a mis-print - an Auror couldn’t figure out that?, really??) - I was able to quell my anger for the err … greater good … of trying to enjoy the show more than was possible initially - which did echo SCB initial rxn to CoG • OK, OK - the big “Aurellius” revelio … I still think Grindy is lying - explained possibly that the blood-pact gave Grindy the ability to call Ffawkes to him, not Credence … • Unfortunately, still no better explanation as to who | what Credence really is or how he has survived with | as an obscurial for so long • Delumimator is awesome … can’t wait to find out about more amazing thing it can do!
I would push back on the observations about the deluminator being the only piece of magic besides an obscurus that can destroy or eliminate light. In the stories, the deluminator takes the orbs of light inside of itself and stores it there until released. That’s why Ron is able to produce light in the cellar of Malfoy Manor, because the deluminator still had light stored from when they were trying not to be caught by the snatchers (at least I think that’s when he got it). So the deluminator most definitely does not destroy or eliminate late. If anything it’s closer to the peruvian instant darkness powder. The powder smothers light instead of eliminating it, and the deluminator shrouds the light inside itself. Therefore, the deluminator definitely does not function like an obscurus. I love the brothers’ theories and almost always find them compelling, but this one is a bit out there for me. In general I think there are a whole lot of leaps being taken. Also, I think the brothers have a habit of building new theories off of the premises of their old theories, which have a compounding, circular logic that can get disconnected from what’s happening in the actual stories they discuss. This theory feels like a house of cards that could crumble if they’re even slightly wrong about anything else before this (such as the function of the deluminator, mirror dimensions, and more). Still a fun video, though! And I appreciate and respect the time it takes to put this together, as always! I will always and forever be stoked any time a SuperCarlinBrothers Harry Potter video pops up in my subscriptions, even when I occasionally disagree 😉
If Creedance is Ariana's obscurus' new human form then Albus will get Fawkes during the fight because "a phoenix would appear to anyone of the Dumbledore family in dire need." Because like what's more dire than literally fighting your inner demons/guilt from thinking you killed your own sister? Seems like a pretty good time for that bird to appear or come from Creedance... a former Dumbledore... just like what happened at Albus' funeral... just saying
Honestly, this would have been a much more interesting resolution to this setup than what we actually got (I for one figured that maybe Credence's obscurus is the very same one as the one that used to possess Ariana, seeing how we know obscuruses can be removed from a person, so perhaps Albus accidentally succeeded in that when whoever it was killed his sister, and then the obscurus clung onto the nearest magical child it could find, which happened to be Credence)
You say that Credence is not destroying the lights but using magic to turn them of but when you show the clip you can see one of the lights to the left exploding. 5:29. P.s. love your channel
There's a similarity between the denominator and mirrors because they both have silver. silver is on glass that makes mirrors so this is must be an enchanted silver that allows a person to go into mirrors as well as grabbing light because mirrors reflect light so in some way he's able to capture the light.
Great theory just in time for Secrets of Dumbledore but I really doubt if they would be able to tie all the loose ends from crimes of Grindelwald.. They just seem infinite. Seeing how lazy writers can be at times there is a high chance that they could write off many of these things with a random simple explanation and just move on(which I hope they don't).. But anyways, great video!!
5:29 Actually, if you pay close attention to the left side of the screen, you can see the glass shattering on one of the lights. So he *is* breaking them!
J and ben always do. This movies gonna be much simpler and probably less exciting. I have bet actual money in credence being aberforths son, and more over I am convinced he is on the other side of the mirror sending them messages as Albus and Aberforth feel bad for abandoning him. Tbh I also think the Jacob wand thing is just a marketing tactic because they can’t go back on the rules of how magic works so he’s probably faking using magic in that one scene (it may even be Grindelwald doing it because it looks like he’s attacking Queenie and is trying to stop the wand and Grindelwald wants Queenie to fully commit to his side and forget about Jacob..)
This could also shows how Aberforth was able to know what the mirror did that Serious gave Harry and why he knew he could watch over him with it. I do wonder if that was something Dumbledore made for Serious because he felt bad for keeping Harry away from him.
Love you guys but once again I think you’re over analyzing. I think the answer is simpler than the fandom is making it: Papa Dumbledore i.e Pervical must’ve just had a kid in Azkaban somehow and managed to get the kid on a boat to America with perhaps his sister Honoria.
Something that theory videos like these always make me think is how interesting they are but how unlikely it is the author so fully and masterfully crafted the whole story as to include all these little details from the very beginning. I believe that Rowling is on an upper tier with world building and detail work, but working backwards is always going to be a little difficult to produce genius level detail dovetailing. I can’t get wrapped up too much in theories though. Cuz hey…
I wonder it there's something to Credence's resemblance to Snape in the trailer. Sure, it can just be an emo/Goth thing, but it seems awfully on the nose. The timeline doesn't really work out for them to be related or anything unless he's Snape's uncle but that would be a bit anti-climactic. Yeah, it's probably just the emo/Goth thing.
My thought is that they're finally acknowledging how much Snape looks like Kylo Ren, because I'm half convinced they recast Credence with Adam Driver and didn't credit him.
It might also just be a storytelling tool to indicate some time has passed. Combined with other visual differences, like posture/outfit/pet Phoenix/powerful magic, we can deduce Credence has 'leveled up' during this time. The show-don't-tell thing.
It's a gun isn't it? See that's exactly how i think Harry Potter is going to end. You'll have one of the elite wizards doing this long chant to activate the ultimate spell and then some totally normal guy with a gun will just walk in and shoot him in the head...and then just leave. Like not even say anything or draw attention to himself but just walk offscreen. After a few seconds you hear the door to the studio opening and closing and a few more seconds later you hear some dialogue in the background Camera guy: "Was...was that part of the script?" Random actor: *sound of pages being turned* "No, that was definitely not in the script" Technician: "Did some random psycho just walk in here with a gun and shoot somebody?" Doughnut guy: "Well, nothing we can do about it now. Should we edit that out?" Director: "Nah, we obviously can't do a second take, we'll just have to call this a wrap and roll the credits."
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Dumbledore you sneaky sneaky sneak! WE'RE ON TO YOU!
He honestly isn’t a good guy
WHAT IS BUMBLEBEE HIDING!!
We already know he's gay. What else could he be hiding? Chainsaws. Definitely a collection of chainsaws.
He has so many secrets hidden in his beard!
@@coolnerdlll6053 Definitely chainsaws.
Going further on the theory. Is it possible that by caring about Harry that much the effect of the deluminator works with Harry? When Harry meets Voldemort in the chambers of secrets Harry says Dumbledors name and then Fawkes shows up… something random that’s suddenly less random…
Dumbledoor says that it was Harry's extreme loyalty that called Fawkes to the chamber, which implies that Fawkes chose to go rather than being sent by Dumbledoor
@@alexray230 And Dumbledore was all about telling Harry all about all of his secrets back in Chamber of Secrets..... /s
but the deluminator sends you to the person you care about most when they say your name. for it to teleport fawkes dumbledore would need to be there unless fawkes is somehow connected with dumbledore
@@JahanMisra hmmm isn’t that a possibility? I remember some quote that stated a Phoenix always finds a Dumbledore and Albus’ grandfather had one, he himself had Fawks, and Credance nursed one to health at the end of CoG. Interesting point!
umm isnt fawkes Dumbledores animagus?
One thing I think you overlooked: it is interesting how Dumbledore could find someone if they said his name, its very similar to how Voldemort put a curse on his name and could find someone as well. However, dumbledore operated out of love and hope, and Voldemort operated out of fear and hate, therefore his magic being weaker.
Brilliant
In other words, you're saying Tom Riddle would have actually been _stronger_ than Dumbledore, if he hadn't nerfed himself via evil magic ?
@@acealpine6806 honestly possible tom riddle was a prodigy
*Why was it important that harry should (try to) die willingly???????*
After all, even if voldemort used killing curse when Harry didn't wanted, it would've still killed the horcrux and harry would have been safe.
@@everythingselect6625 yes thats true but when harry wanted to die willingy and sacrifice himself for the people in hogwarts during the war, harry shield himself between the people and voldemort. Which is what harrys mother did for harry and gave him protection. So when harry shield himself for them (well, he needed to die anyway) that gave protection to people in hogwarts from voldemorts spells. Its basicly the same with lilly and harry
Does anyone else feel like the "Secrets Of Dumbledore" is maybe in reference to the entire family or someone else, and not just Albus
Oh absolutely
Great point
Yes
Maybe Credence is really one of the Dumbledores, so the movie is about his secrets. Just like Return of the Jedi, in which the latter one turns out to be Darth Vader returning to the light as a Jedi Anakin.
Totally
I think the only thing that is not a secret about Dumbledore is that he needs to stop keeping so many secrets!
Correct... 3 points to Hufflepuff
His secrets have litteraly saves the world several times..
@@sebastianjacobsen727 that is true! But also there were some times that if Dumbledore had just told Harry some stuff, there would have been a lot less trouble 😂
@@naomi_falk sure, as he aknowledges himself.. but its hard to know in the moment, so why take a chance? He had his eyes on the target, to save the world.
@@sebastianjacobsen727 to save the world.. at the expense of 2 generations of child soldiers who’s lives were lost in the name of something they didn’t really even understand. they didn’t know what would become of themselves or their children because dumbledore didn’t tell them the truth or his plan.
I told you, Dumbledore's secret weapon is love. Or it's keeping secrets from Harry. Both are equally plausible.
Both also very good weapons but are hardly secret 😆
His love of keeping important secrets from Harry? No wonder dumbledore won with a weapon like that
No both are his superpowers
@@DarthAxolotl the ultimate weapon
Agreed. Ive thought same thing for a while. Makes sense too
I know it’s an unpopular opinion… but I didn’t think Crimes of Grindlewald was really that bad. Lol I guess mostly thanks to the adorable-ness of Newt and Tina.
My gripe with it is more like, it is not actually a movie that has any merit existing on its own. First Fantastic Beasts was a movie, CoG was about 100% just a set up.
Me too! Most people don't like that there were so many loose ends, but that's exactly what would have happened if all the HP books got split into 2 movies to fit everything in; the first parts would have ended with incomplete story lines. I just always saw Crimes as a part 1, I guess, and fully expected everything to be tied up later.
@@Nintentohtori It's not bad, just a messy and poorly constructed film. There's still plenty to enjoy about it, but I am glad to see it looks like they've found a better balance with TSoD!
COG is a fantastic film / story.
@@michaelmariano9519 it's really not a good film/story, they put so much into the film that didn't need to be there like all the leta lestrange backstory. Don't get me wrong setting up plot for the secrets of dumbledore was necessary, but they could have gone about it much better and made a more satisfying ending to the film.
Personally I think since they’ve had to recast Grindelwald in each movie they should just recast him for every movie and explain it that he is actually a metamorphamagus.
Brilliant 😆
Dumbledores secret weapon is saying things calmly 🙃
i think you mean: CALMLY!!!!!
Harry, did you put your name in the goblet of fire kind of calmly?
@@SuperCarlinBrothers No sir, I think YOU mean: *C A L M L Y*
Question: Is this mirror-verse in any way related to SIrius Black's mirror?
Good question I don't think so but it is definitely possible it bares similarities
Doubtful. This mirror-verse thing is new to the Harry Potter world, but communication or observation via reflective surfaces is called scrying and is an established concept of magic in all of fiction.
I think Dumbledore found a way to communicate with people (both living AND dead) through the mirror. I believe the message in the mirror says "Do you know where its kept" - it's probably from Grindelwald? Is he asking about the blood pact? There is also a new "Secrets..." teaser and we see another message in it. It says "I want to come home". Maybe it's Ariana??? That would be wild.
The only thing is - why this mirror is located in Aberforth's pub? And why it looks like HE uses this mirror and reads these messages?
EDIT: I just figured it out! Do you remember that piece of mirror Sirius gave to Harry? I think its the same freaking thing. And in the Deathly Hallows Aberforth was using this mirror too to keep an eye on Harry. *mindblown*
dumbledores true secret weapon is answering questions like an English teacher
Underrated comment right here.
I always thought the reason Ron could hear Harry and Hermione say his name and then come find them is because he took the light from one of the lamps in the tent but never put it back. Thus the light stored in the deluminator acted as a magical bridge.
I’ma take this one step further:
“Fear of a name only increases fear of the thing itself.” - Albus Dumbledore
This phrase takes on WHOLE new meaning after this nugget of information!!
Uhhh... it was Hermione that said that, wasn't it? In Chamber of Secrets?
@@insertclevernamehere1186 Dumbledore said it to Harry in Philosopher’s Stone
@@insertclevernamehere1186 It was Dumbledore in the Philosopher’s Stone in the books. It’s only said by Hermione in the movies.
Something worth noting here:
During that fight on the street, where Dumbledore has Credence on the ground... they're on top of large puddles of water. Reflective surfaces. Like mirrors.
Also, notice how when Dumbledore uses the Deluminator in the mirror world, all the light in the world is flowing into the it, with the only other light source being, wait for it...
The puddles. Shining light from the real world.
The Deluminator isn't some gateway into the mirror world, but it is the most powerful weapon in said world. Mirrors work by reflecting light, right? Without light, they don't work. What happens when you remove light from a mirror world? It disappears.
That's what I believe is happening in this scene. Dumbledore pulls Credence into the mirror world, whips out the Deluminator and starts taking all the light. He threatens to leave Credence in the empty void unless he comes quietly. Credence relents, so Dumbledore brings them back.
I would say that’s a dark lord move but I read all the books and watched all the movies and dark lord moves are his go to thing with harry
@@TheLindsayKnudsen I mean, it's probably a lot kinder than actually beating him to a pulp...
Which he could do.
Because he's Dumbledore.
Sadly, the story behind Credence isnt that exciting. He's just Aberforths son.
Jk Rowling should've rather outsourced the writing to you guys, as these theories are much better than the reality
Okay, but if he really is Aberforth's son, is his mother a goat? 😂😂😁
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Wow... haven't thought of it but actually makes sense and also explains the age gap.... maybe its "secrets" of aberforth dumbledore
I've said that since the movie first came out.
It's such a lazy reveal, and completely contradicts Grindelwald telling Credence that Dumbledore is his brother.
**spoiler FB3***
Just saw this video after having seen the new fantastic beasts movie and it makes me sad. For years I have rooted for your creative and awesome magical theories like this one. Compared to that, the actual "explanation" of the credence mystery in the new movie is so sad, unspectacular and unmagical. And it feels like the last few years of spinning theories are kind of pointless and make the movie even more dissapointing. In my head canon, I'm sticking with the SCB theories
I came up with a theory:
Dumbledore tried to extract the obscures from Ariana and was half successful. He then thought of this idea when fighting Credence in this mirror-verse world and he is trying to extract the obscures from Credence when pinning him down and taking him back to the real world. He used the deluminator like he used for Ariana.
Good point.
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@@paularanya8726 LOLL
@@SuperCarlinBrothers *Why was it important that harry should (try to) die willingly???????*
After all, even if voldemort used killing curse when Harry didn't wanted, it would've still killed the horcrux and harry would have been safe.
@@everythingselect6625 But if Harry didn’t die on purpose and actually tried to fight Voldemort, he would have won because he is simply a better wizard. He had to go in wandless (so to speak) so he could defeat Voldemort in the final battle.
This theory is so mind blowing. It has made me kinda excited for the new movie.
you can see the lights actually exploding in the clip you are talking about with Credence in cloud form and you say hes not breaking the lights but you can see the lights breaking clear as day.
if you go to 5:28 and watch the second light from the left when it goes out you can clearly see glass and stuff exploding from it.
It's not glass, though in the film there is a zapping noise. It's almost like the light briefly scatters before it disappears (58min 10seconds on Fantastic Beasts 1)
@@jordanbalke just looking at the clip they show themselves its clearly the glass housing of the lamp exploding. You can see the shards of it, just watch the second light from the left in the clip they show and you can see it. Slow it down if you have to but you can clearly see it. So its not the same as the lights going out like they did on Privet Drive when Dumbledore used the deluminator in the first book. Which means that part of their theory doesn't hold water for me (not commenting on the rest of it because I honestly like their final conclusion I just don't see how the obscurus turning off or destroying lights actually matters overall).
@@norric1 I literally pulled this asset for the video and rewatched the section in the FB Movie just to be sure. The glass doesn't break
@@jordanbalke the second to last light you can really see it well. It explodes.
@@jordanbalke also you didn't need to do that, he posted the time stamp, 5:28 is when you see it explode.
OHHHHH MY GOOOOD! OMG OMG MIND BLOWN! This makes total sense. I actually howled with the last part. Somehow I had even thought something similar when the last movie came out but thought it was too impossible. Great work guys, really killings it with these last videos. I just hope the movie is as good as these videos and they don't let us down again.
Me too
One of My favorite quote from Dumbledore will always be: "Happiness can be found, even in the darkest of times, if one only remembers to turn on the ‘light." 👀😉 I know what he means by that but what else could he mean by it?…👀😉 and yes I 💯agree with everything you said and more! 🧙🏼♂️✨🔮
Maybe Dumbledore took Credance to the "mirror" world so they wouldn't be destroying everything on their fight?
My theory was that the deluminator is just a tool for "calming" an obscurus.
When an obscurial manifests their obscurus they lose themself and become lost to the outside world. They become obscured. The deluminator's ability to restore light is how it encourages and clarifies for the obscurial to find themself again. The person-locating/hearing functionality is just to help the user find the person under or inside the obscurus.
Dumbledore will use the deluminator to pull Creedence back to the light.
Bonus theory: Aurelius Dumbledore is just a scheme from Grindlewald to fulfill a prophecy he had. The prophecy will be something like "Dumbledore will be defeated when his love for a precious sibling clad in darkness is broken." Grindlewald tried to break that love as children and failed. Now, Grindlewald manufactures the sibling that will undo Dumbledore.
I realised while watching this that the deluminator’s power of taking you to someone who says your name is remarkably similar to the taboo that allows the snatchers to find anyone who says Voldemort’s name.
There is something wrong with the youtube subtitles. It says: when Ron abandoned Harry in Germany :D I am pretty sure that’s not what happend
As cool as this is I don't see the writers being smart enough for this honestly
5:20 if you watch carefully you can notice that the last light that went out actually had the light bulb explode You can see smoke coming from where the light was I can't speak for the rest of the lights that went out because they looked just like what the deluminator does It was just that last one that was a little weird
In another comment chain, some argue this light makes a buzzing sound when it goes out not breaking glass. I agree with you. How they present it in the video seems like they contradict themselves. They should've addressed this detail if it is true and is buzzing, not glass shattering.
what if when obscurials change themselves into their obscurus form, somewhat their body and the "black foggy thing" switch places from non being to real world.The deluminator could use that to teleport Dumbeldore during the fight while credence obscurus is messing around ..
I love how J gets so rilled up on a spiderweb of topics that by the time he brings us back to the OG point of the video I’ve completely forgotten what it was 😅
Yes! You finally went back to the Credence is Ariana's obscurus turned human theory! I've been saying that for 2 years and you only made one video on that idea once. It's too perfect
Any idea why her obscurus turned into a male baby?
@@umwha idk. I guess that's the way they executed the spell, or maybe it's a copy of an already existing baby, though I don't know why they would choose a boy then yeah
I wonder if we might see Dumbledore create the deluminator by extracting the obscurus from Creedence. How? Well, Newt figured it out, so Dumbledore probably knows how.
He already has the deluminator
From what I remember, dementors can put out lights too. Perhaps the deluminator has some connection to them too.
"What you desire most" and "it takes you to your treasure", so the Deluminator is Capt Jack Sparrow's compass? LOL. Now we know why he was fighting Dumbledore all this time!
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Is it a gun?
It is not
It was low key a let down when Voldemort’s secret weapon in the Order of the Phoenix was a prophecy lol
The deluminator is kind of like a Wizard (EMP) electro magnet pulse, magical battery, homing beacon and possibly a way to absorb and channel magical energy. The Obscurus, like a parasite, feeds on magic as an energy source to essentially satiate itself. The deluminator can then release said light as energy channeled through the Wizard to defend against the Obscurus. It’s literally a struggle between light and dark with the Wizard balancing the two with the deluminator and as we know the deluminator can transport Wizards, it’s reasonable to assume with the right Magic and energy, the Deluminator could be used to transport it’s user into a sort of light mirror world where the Obscurial’s power can be negated.
What I love about this channel is that the theories are a genuine attempt at further understanding the series they pertain to. Most other theory channels just explain theories they heard. Ben and J actually come up with their own theories and have been right a lot. Like when they theorized the plot for frozen two using the Norwegian compass. It gets me excited to see new movies to see how right or close they were.
Those theories are so good and well thought, it will be so frustrating to see some nonsensical disaster talentless writers will come up with...
At least for this movie they have a real screenwriter.
Lol watch credence be aberforths son
@@februaryschneck don't miss the opportunity, mother is a goat. XD
@@rho_man after having his heart broken by a woman and losing their son, Aberforth swore off women and made love exclusively with goats.
@@februaryschneck nah, you broke the magic...
You have to react to Hogwarts legacy please
"Newt removed the entire obscurus from a Sudanese girl. Unfortunately, the girl didn't survive." And you just called Newt more highly skilled than Dumbledore! Actually, failure like this was probably the reason Dumbledore knew NOT to remove an entire obscurus. Like the old saying in medicine; "The operation was a success, but the patient died."
I find it incredibly ironic and beautiful that Dumbeldore find a way to use is own name and give it so much weight similarly to Voldemort (with the tabo spell).
Wouldn’t Dementors also be able to “put out the lights? (Ex: In PoA, as the one dementor gets close to and boards the Hogwarts Express, not only does the temperature vastly drop, but the lights throughout the train are shown flickering in each car until they are all fully extinguished.
That would be a cinematic effect. I can't remember anywhere in the books where it says they turn off lights of any kind.
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5:28 if you slow it down during the scene where Creedence is supposedly turning out the lights you can see that he actually is destroying them. You can see the glass from the street light shattering and flying outwards.
In another comment chain, some argue this light makes a buzzing sound when it goes out not breaking glass. I agree with you. How they present it in the video seems like they contradict themselves. They should've addressed this detail if it is true and is buzzing, not glass shattering.
I agree
What's the range/power of the deluminator? Could you use it on a full moon? The sun? Probably not, but could you black out a city?
Also what happens if you don't put the light back? Will the lamp never work again? What if you hook up a new lamp to the same wiring?
pretty sure when u use the deluminator u can take out only one light at a time so that will take a loooooooong time in a city
Oh man all of these questions are so good and I hope we get answers in the movie!
@@foxeon737 You can hold several lights in it. That's how he was able to keep the whole of privet drive dark, when dropping off Harry with the Dursleys. Also if you remember when Ron put the light on in the basement in Malfoys manor there were several orbs of light floating since they couldn't return to their original source.
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Another great Fantastic Beasts video!
Honestly, I'm quite sure that you guys should write the rest of the Harry Potter canon, instead of letting JK ruin her franchise.
absolutely
I still believe he is not a Dumbledore and the only reason why the Phoenix changed from a chick to a phoenix is because he touched Grindelwald because if they both cut themselves and became blood brothers that means the Dumbledore blood runs through Grindelwald and the Phoenix changed because of that I think he thinks if he uses Credence against Dumbledore you can kill Dumbledore without going against the blood pack I do believe that the three of them almost died that day that Arianna died
That's not how the blood pact works. Both of their blood is put into the charm that Newt steels in the second one.
Interesting!
Nah that is too complicated these movies like to keep it simple.. credence will probably be aberforths son or something dumb like that
@@februaryschneck nothing about the Harry Potter series turned out to be simple.
Their is always a complicated back story to it
@@lordvika2526 yes in the books but these movies have not followed suit nor really can they… the books had hundreds and hundreds of pages these movies have a set number as they have to stay within the 2.5 hour movie crunch time and as we saw with Crimes of Grindelwald they can’t get too complicated otherwise they won’t have the time to explain anything well.. I believe by hiring a second screenwriter to assist this time the story will be clearer and more narratively sound, but it will in turn become much simpler
Dementors technically turn off lights and everything else around them.
Maybe the Deluminator has a part of a Dementor in it 😂
Whenever you say Dumbledore's Secret Weapon that Umbrige scene with the centaurs pops up in my head. When she was looking for the "Secret Weapon"
I might actually head to a theatre to see it because I literally need to know if the scb theories are correct.
I think we all would like to hear your thoughts and expectations for HOGWARTS LEGACY!!!
I think you have to be more specific in the not be able to turn off light.
But wizards are able to turn off lights but light which come from fires. Like dumbledore demonstrates in PoA and GoF. ( movie atleast not 100 percent sure about book)
They have problems with light created by electricity.
That is where the deluminator shines ( get it).
But in the movies we see another thing that can turn off lights, also electrical. That are demontors. In every scene they are in the light either turn completely off or flikker so much that they are pretty much useless.
Train scene in PoA light in the train turn off.
OotP, the light in the tunel flikkers truns off the moment the demontor appears.
Edit: fixing some spellin. There are probably still some there.
Are we going to get any content, thoughts, reactions to the recent Hogwarts Legacy state of play video?!
The game looks like everything I ever wanted a Harry Potter game to be.
I've been asking them forever. Doubt it
Probley waiting on a payed sponsored video
Movie FLame did a video on it
As prep for Secrets Of Dumbledore & after recently binge-watching SCB theories, I just rewatched Crimes of Grindy for first time in a couple years …
• Firstly, I did forget how CoG was shot so beautifully - set design, costuming, cinematography, CGI, etc … & trailer for SoD looks just as good or better
• Next … time definitely heals some wounds: while the complete non-explanation of how Credence survived still bothers me - along with the initial, cringy exchanges betwixt Next & Tina (all because of a mis-print - an Auror couldn’t figure out that?, really??) - I was able to quell my anger for the err … greater good … of trying to enjoy the show more than was possible initially - which did echo SCB initial rxn to CoG
• OK, OK - the big “Aurellius” revelio … I still think Grindy is lying - explained possibly that the blood-pact gave Grindy the ability to call Ffawkes to him, not Credence …
• Unfortunately, still no better explanation as to who | what Credence really is or how he has survived with | as an obscurial for so long
• Delumimator is awesome … can’t wait to find out about more amazing thing it can do!
I would push back on the observations about the deluminator being the only piece of magic besides an obscurus that can destroy or eliminate light. In the stories, the deluminator takes the orbs of light inside of itself and stores it there until released. That’s why Ron is able to produce light in the cellar of Malfoy Manor, because the deluminator still had light stored from when they were trying not to be caught by the snatchers (at least I think that’s when he got it). So the deluminator most definitely does not destroy or eliminate late. If anything it’s closer to the peruvian instant darkness powder. The powder smothers light instead of eliminating it, and the deluminator shrouds the light inside itself. Therefore, the deluminator definitely does not function like an obscurus.
I love the brothers’ theories and almost always find them compelling, but this one is a bit out there for me.
In general I think there are a whole lot of leaps being taken. Also, I think the brothers have a habit of building new theories off of the premises of their old theories, which have a compounding, circular logic that can get disconnected from what’s happening in the actual stories they discuss. This theory feels like a house of cards that could crumble if they’re even slightly wrong about anything else before this (such as the function of the deluminator, mirror dimensions, and more).
Still a fun video, though! And I appreciate and respect the time it takes to put this together, as always! I will always and forever be stoked any time a SuperCarlinBrothers Harry Potter video pops up in my subscriptions, even when I occasionally disagree 😉
If Creedance is Ariana's obscurus' new human form then Albus will get Fawkes during the fight because "a phoenix would appear to anyone of the Dumbledore family in dire need." Because like what's more dire than literally fighting your inner demons/guilt from thinking you killed your own sister? Seems like a pretty good time for that bird to appear or come from Creedance... a former Dumbledore... just like what happened at Albus' funeral... just saying
So he was basically Anakin Skywalker-ed within the Gaunt family from Ariana's obscurus (add something about evil twinning Dumbledore)?
“But you know, happiness can be found... even in the darkest of times... if one only remembers to turn on the light.”
You just blew my mind! The deluminator theory all makes sense!
WOW! 😱🤯🕯🔦💡🧙♂️🪄
Please do a reaction vid with both of you to Sony's state of play Hogwarts Legacy please. We need SCB Harry Potter game hype!!
Honestly, this would have been a much more interesting resolution to this setup than what we actually got (I for one figured that maybe Credence's obscurus is the very same one as the one that used to possess Ariana, seeing how we know obscuruses can be removed from a person, so perhaps Albus accidentally succeeded in that when whoever it was killed his sister, and then the obscurus clung onto the nearest magical child it could find, which happened to be Credence)
You say that Credence is not destroying the lights but using magic to turn them of but when you show the clip you can see one of the lights to the left exploding. 5:29.
P.s. love your channel
Sounds like Dumbledore was Wizarding World's James Bond 007 this time around.
Anyone else notice how J's hair changed halfway through? Lol I was doing the side sweep and then he fluffed it back up
If Ariana means silver, Aurelius means gold, and Albus means white, what does Aberforth mean?
Writing from the time Secrets of Dumbledore came out
Well, that was disappointing
There's a similarity between the denominator and mirrors because they both have silver. silver is on glass that makes mirrors so this is must be an enchanted silver that allows a person to go into mirrors as well as grabbing light because mirrors reflect light so in some way he's able to capture the light.
Saw secrets of Dumbledore last night I can not wait to here you guys discuss!!!!!
Credence: who is Albus Dumble-
Grindlewald: don’t say the name
Anyone ever thought that maybe Aurelius Dumbledore is just Albus' cousin?
Great theory just in time for Secrets of Dumbledore but I really doubt if they would be able to tie all the loose ends from crimes of Grindelwald.. They just seem infinite. Seeing how lazy writers can be at times there is a high chance that they could write off many of these things with a random simple explanation and just move on(which I hope they don't).. But anyways, great video!!
5:29 Actually, if you pay close attention to the left side of the screen, you can see the glass shattering on one of the lights. So he *is* breaking them!
I have watched so many of your vids keep making great content
Will do!
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Noice. You guys are literally my favorite TH-camrs. I’m a huge fan and I always agree with your theories.
I just need to watch this 10 more times and I might get it. 😄 Brilliant job Ben!
I'm dying to see this movie and really nervous that J put 10x as much thought into this video than the writers did for the plot!
J and ben always do. This movies gonna be much simpler and probably less exciting. I have bet actual money in credence being aberforths son, and more over I am convinced he is on the other side of the mirror sending them messages as Albus and Aberforth feel bad for abandoning him. Tbh I also think the Jacob wand thing is just a marketing tactic because they can’t go back on the rules of how magic works so he’s probably faking using magic in that one scene (it may even be Grindelwald doing it because it looks like he’s attacking Queenie and is trying to stop the wand and Grindelwald wants Queenie to fully commit to his side and forget about Jacob..)
This could also shows how Aberforth was able to know what the mirror did that Serious gave Harry and why he knew he could watch over him with it. I do wonder if that was something Dumbledore made for Serious because he felt bad for keeping Harry away from him.
Love you guys but once again I think you’re over analyzing. I think the answer is simpler than the fandom is making it: Papa Dumbledore i.e Pervical must’ve just had a kid in Azkaban somehow and managed to get the kid on a boat to America with perhaps his sister Honoria.
I've thought that as well.
We all know what dumbledores secret weapon is. It’s Grawp.
Dumbledor and Grindlewald tried to remove obscurous from Ariana?
Dude mirrors reflect light once the light goes away a mirror could become a door.
To paraphrase a wise man,
It's a Gatling gun on the roof of Hogwarts.
Something that theory videos like these always make me think is how interesting they are but how unlikely it is the author so fully and masterfully crafted the whole story as to include all these little details from the very beginning. I believe that Rowling is on an upper tier with world building and detail work, but working backwards is always going to be a little difficult to produce genius level detail dovetailing. I can’t get wrapped up too much in theories though. Cuz hey…
I wonder it there's something to Credence's resemblance to Snape in the trailer. Sure, it can just be an emo/Goth thing, but it seems awfully on the nose. The timeline doesn't really work out for them to be related or anything unless he's Snape's uncle but that would be a bit anti-climactic.
Yeah, it's probably just the emo/Goth thing.
My thought is that they're finally acknowledging how much Snape looks like Kylo Ren, because I'm half convinced they recast Credence with Adam Driver and didn't credit him.
@@coolnerdlll6053 how much kylo ren looks like snape, you mean
It might also just be a storytelling tool to indicate some time has passed. Combined with other visual differences, like posture/outfit/pet Phoenix/powerful magic, we can deduce Credence has 'leveled up' during this time. The show-don't-tell thing.
Are you going to discuss the movie scene that was release where Dumbledore talks about the Blood Pact?
I'm afraid the film won't fit in the world of Potter as well as your theories ♥
Dumbledore’s secret weapon is calling Voldemort Tom
I re watched 4 times and i can confirm 1 of the last street lights explodes
short hey brother > long hey brother
It’s weird how similar the deluminator works to Voldys power of when you say his name
A bit late, but... HOW DO YOU COME UP WITH THISSSSS
I really thought the thumbnail was Dumbledore in a Superman costume. 😂
No one’s surprised he can turn off the lights😂😂
Credence: *family lineage unclear*
SCB: I can milk you
Oh man this was so good! Well done as always guys, I have no idea how you always piece this stuff together so well!
Is it a second wand??? Mhmmmmm
Actually, yes. By the end of the series we know he will have two wands: his own and the Elder Wand.
It's a gun isn't it? See that's exactly how i think Harry Potter is going to end. You'll have one of the elite wizards doing this long chant to activate the ultimate spell and then some totally normal guy with a gun will just walk in and shoot him in the head...and then just leave. Like not even say anything or draw attention to himself but just walk offscreen. After a few seconds you hear the door to the studio opening and closing and a few more seconds later you hear some dialogue in the background
Camera guy: "Was...was that part of the script?"
Random actor: *sound of pages being turned* "No, that was definitely not in the script"
Technician: "Did some random psycho just walk in here with a gun and shoot somebody?"
Doughnut guy: "Well, nothing we can do about it now. Should we edit that out?"
Director: "Nah, we obviously can't do a second take, we'll just have to call this a wrap and roll the credits."