The more days go by, the more it's clearer that Voldemort's best shot to get rid of Harry was Lucious Malfoy trying to kill him over losing a house elf.
And apparently Lucius Malfoy (the actor) just forgot the spell he was going to say, so he just said the one he could remember (the killing curse)! So book Harry was never in danger of death!
@@ericcartman4923 yes, several times. Like I had an unhealthy level of attachment to the wizarding world for like 15 years. But I was talking about the movie, not the book.
@@TBIhope You’re mostly correct, and what isn’t is very close. But from his own mouth, he wasn’t supposed to use a spell there to begin with and it was improvised. He just wanted to give the scene more impact so he tried to say a spell, but could only remember the one and didn’t remember what it did. I think it’s pretty funny in retrospect
I always thought there was a connection between the deluminator, the mirror, and the inscription on Kendra's and Ariana's grave: "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
An important note that I don't think was elaborated on: The mirror could indeed give you anything you want, but only if the mirror currently contains that object. It cannot conjure things from nothing. Elemental laws and stuff like that
Isn't that contradicted by what the mirror shows you? Doesn't that imply the nonbeing actually contains everything or at the very least isn't subject to the same rules/laws?
@@dustinbenzel8704 The mirror can show you things yes but only when Dumbledore put the stone within it could someone then retrieve it. Otherwise you could easily duplicate extremely powerful magical objects, as long as they were never intended to be used. The mirror gains it's information from inside your heart in a magical sense. It could not show you things that you have no knowledge of existing
@@slevinchannel7589 watched the start and his analysis was nonsencial so I stopped watching. He said that hagrid does to the Dursley's what they did to Harry. Which is just not true, they torment him for 11 years, Hagrid says that Harry's parents were great and you should have told him that and gives someone stealing a pigs tail for a few minutes. Shaun also says muggle is a slur when it's not it's a descriptor he mixed it up with mud blood, we are 3 minutes into his video at this point and everything he said contained untruths.
@@Alex-cw3rz He's spot on on the whole slavery part though, that one is messed up. Also Harry becoming a police officer at the end of the novels instead of the Teacher, the one thing besides Quidditch he ended up being really passionate about and actually good in doing, is lame.
@@shizachan8421 well an Auror is more of a detective espcially related to dark arts, something that Harry is unbelievably passionate about, it was his highest graded subject at school. I don't believe he got grades good enough to be a teacher if like in schools in the UK you need have a C in GSCE English, whatever the wizarding equivalent of that is, he only got high in one subject defense against the Dark Arts, I.e. teaching how to become an Auror. He wasn't good enough to be a professional quidditch player and seen as he had few years out of the sport, I doubt he'd keep up with professional quidditch players. Remember Krum was already a national player and was at the final of World Cup at school.
I always figured Dumbledore kinda accidentally put the stone in the mirror the night he looked into it with Harry. It's kinda obvious all the security precautions on the 3rd floor are a decoy because the safest place for it is in Dumbledore's pocket but he wanted to find a safe place to leave it because big rock in pocket. By the end of the series, we're supposed to think he saw his family. But what if he was wanting to find the best place to hide the stone from Ol' Voldy at that moment, and saw himself putting the stone in the mirror in much the same way Harry got the stone out of it. And then he figured out what happened later. Which is why it's so clever. He wanted to hide the stone and looked in the mirror to see how and the mirror was like *YOINK*
But would Dumbledore do something that random and easy? I always thought that he carefully plans his moves and while his ideas may come to him quickly, he thinks them completely through. And i don't think he would have said it was one of his more brilliant ideas🤔 But yours is a very good theory😅
It's brilliant! "Only someone who wanted to hide the stone so someone else could find it, but not themselves, could put the stone into the mirror." Also I only just realized what was going on with the other teachers' protections. They weren't there to keep everyone out, they were there to keep out people who didn't want to find or use the stone. The locked door and Dumbledore's warning kept out most people, Fluffy intimidated all but the most determined intruders, and the other challenges kept out people without the magic ability and knowledge to use the stone, while also limiting the number of people who could pass into the mirror chamber. Additionally, most of the challenges showed evidence of intruders, limiting how often and how long they could be in there.
@@Sara-bg8ku maybe he realised that it was his true desire so the mirror would tell him, that is why he thought it was so brilliant, because it was, after all, his idea and his desire
@@plotholedetective4166 I think anyone on the other side of the veil would find it in their realm and it’d be lost forever (but I don’t think it would work there)
I've literally never thought about the fact that seeing his parents in the mirror would be the first time really even knowing what they looked like. It seems very sweet but also extremely sad at the same time
To expand on your idea, consider how mirrors work: they reflect *_light_* . How does the Mirror of Erised work in the *_absence_* of light? Perhaps Dumbledore invented the Deluminator (literally, the light-take-awayer) to find the answer to that question...
to deluminate could also refer to the de-ilumination or in reference to the mirror reflection (mental) look at ron, he used the deluminator when he was lost, found his way back and realized, he had to, cause otherwise he would never have found harry drowning in time ;) and he also realized something else... their fight.. the cause of it was ?? the LOCKET.. and what does he find when he finds harry..?? the sword of gryffindor and the little ball of light he mentions? it was guiding him to the love of his life! in other words: his light, in the dark.. it hides what needs to remain hidden...and uncovers what needs to be found.. two opposites: Light and Darkness, Hide and Reveal
Now im imagining dumbledore in a room with a window pondering that very question. He uses the deluminator on a whim and accidentally turns off the sun. Just like “merlin’s beard, i just violated the statute of secrecy.
Maybe when Dumbledore says “Happiness can be found even in the darkest of times, if one only remembers to turn on the light” he’s referring to how if you use the Deluminator it will take you to what/who you desire to see the most, which would be your happiness.
Considering how lights have worked over the course of history, reflection, refraction and all that, I wonder if it delumenator has a really small shard of the mirror in it. 🤔 That could lend itself to quite A few ideas. Good theory gentleman. 👍
If Harry hadn't gone in to try and save it, the stone would not have been in any danger of being stolen at all. Setting this trap up involved the risk of Voldemort getting it and returning to power. I love how Dumbledore risks the entire wizarding world just to check out what Harry can do lol
AH, but what if it was not the salvation that Voldemort thought it was? Dumbledore knows the 2nd most about that stone in the entire world and was a lifelong friend of its creator. He knows the exact limits and probably knows something about it that Voldemort doesn't. Hence Flamel appearing in the fantastic beasts movie. CLEARLY the stone doesn't do exactly what it says on the label. It prolonged his life (potentially indefinitely) but at the cost of him becoming a weak shell of himself. It's quite plausible that Voldemort has bought into the hype of the stone without fully knowing its true abilities.
Also there was the flame puzzle. Both bottles were still there so he probably could just go through, but that's more on the spell work than on the logic of the puzzle
And it also means that all the rest of the protections in place were irrelevant. All that was needed was the mirror. If that was all there was, the holy trio wouldn't have encountered Fluffy, and wouldn't have started wondering about what it was guarding, and they never would have gone through the trap door, and Quirrell would have stood there until Voldy got so frustrated that he would have killed him, or at the very least given up and left. Maybe he would have broken the mirror (which wouldn't have gotten him the stone), or perhaps he would have lashed out in anger, killing random muggles and muggleborns, just to vent.
I have a question. What if the properties of the mirror are even darker? Such that you can only retrieve from it something that someone else wants. Like to steal it away from them? Harry didn't necessarily want the stone; he only wanted for Voldemort to not have it, maybe? That would be wicked. Also could it be possible to resurrect someone or even make a duplicate of someone using the mirror, assuming there is some loophole that allows you to pull things out that weren't necessarily put in? Like using your explanation of how Albus entered the mirror to place the stone in it, could he do the same thing but maybe in his initial reflection he saw his sister and pull her out upon his exit. Also, I'm assuming that he did exit the same way he went in, but if he went in the mirrorverse and then lost the deluminator, then would he be stuck there or would the mirror have a way of kicking him out since he technically shouldn't belong there? Idk. I got too many thoughts buzzing around rn.
@@slevinchannel7589 watched the start and his analysis was nonsencial so I stopped watching. He said that hagrid does to the Dursley's what they did to Harry. Which is just not true, they torment him for 11 years, Hagrid says that Harry's parents were great and you should have told him that and gives someone stealing a pigs tail for a few minutes. Shaun also says muggle is a slur when it's not it's a descriptor he mixed it up with mud blood, we are 3 minutes into his video at this point and everything he said contained untruths.
I had a different theory. To place it in the mirror, you must desire to use it, but not to find it. So he just does what Harry does, but in reverse (mirrored) place it in his pocket and its gone. I think we can safely say that Dumbledore both desired to use it and also desired not to be able to find it anymore. That was the whole point of setting up the mirror.
I don’t think it could literally give you anything. The only thing we’ve seen come out of the mirror is something someone deliberately put in there. So I think the only way you could get mountains of gold is if someone had already put mountains of gold in it.
To be fair, when you think about it, Harry asked a SUPER personal question. Let's just ask my teacher what their vulnerable heart desires most in the world and what that might reveal about their history. I've always thought Dumbledore chose socks just so he didn't have to answer truthfully.
I'm with you, I believed him xD In book 1, you don't really think about who Dumbledore is outside of school. He's just the super powerful headmaster who is always calm and collected. What else than socks would he want?
I'm surprised you guys didn't mention the quote on Kendas tombstone presumably added by Albus? "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. Seems to fit nicely with the video.
I immediately thought about this "mirrorverse" from the trailer, when you started your explanation. And about this galleon stuff: don't I remember correctly, that money is one of the five exceptions to the Gamp's Law of Elemental Transfiguration and cannot be creating magically, hence neither by the Mirror?
I think it's specifically pure metals like gold, silver, and platinum, that's why the stone is so valuable, it's the only way to actually make wizard money, because anything that is replicable is worthless
I don't think it can materialize anything at all, the only reason it gave the stone was cause it was left there to begin with, if harry wanted the stone and didn't want to use it then nothing would have happened if Dumbledore didn't put the stone there to begin with
It's said that food is one of the exceptions. It's never been confirmed what the others are, but it's heavily theorised that money is one, which is why poverty exists in the Wizarding World
I always thought that Dumbledore just bound some kind of spell onto the stone like Odin did with Mjolnir. “Whosoever seeks this stone, if he be worthy, shall possess... the stone.” Similar to how the Sword of Gryffindor works. The mirror's role was just to show Harry where the stone was.
@@slevinchannel7589 watched the start and his analysis was nonsencial so I stopped watching. He said that hagrid does to the Dursley's what they did to Harry. Which is just not true, they torment him for 11 years, Hagrid says that Harry's parents were great and you should have told him that and gives someone stealing a pigs tail for a few minutes. Shaun also says muggle is a slur when it's not it's a descriptor he mixed it up with mud blood, we are 3 minutes into his video at this point and everything he said contained untruths.
@@slevinchannel7589 what he said does not match what is written in the story. He claims that hagrid turns up to the lighthouse to bully the Dursley's like they bullied Harry that's not what he does. That's why his analysis is nonsencial.
Dumbledore said it was a brilliant idea and to complement that, your explanation is brilliant! Really cool how you tied the mirror and deluminator together.
I believe that the mirror was used merely as a method of testing the person's motivations. The mirror is able to test a person's desires, which then activates the additional magic Dumbledore places on the stone.
indeed. The mirror only reads minds and shows pictures. Dumbledore put the stone into subspace and used the mirror as a padlock for that pocket dimension.
I suddenly realised that the resurrection stone ultimately helped Dumbledore to be with his family(except his brother); not by bringing them back but by killing him
could "the One Ring" be put inside the mirror of Erised to protect it from Sauron? If so who could get it? Frodo would want it, to destroy it. Bilbo and Gollum would want it because it's precious to them, I feel like they might be able to get it. They don't want it for any particular outcome other than just to have it. But I suppose if Gandalf had access to the mirror he would hide it in there with the condition that only someone who wants it to destroy it can get it
But gollum wants to use it. He is addicted to the ring and wants to use it to feel happy. Harry doesnt care about the stone at all, he doesnt want to have or keep it, he just doesnt want voldemort to come back. so i dont think gollum woud be able to get the ring out of the mirror.
Wow guys this was a great one! Do you think that this "mirror-verse" could be somehow related to the one we've seen in the newest Fantastic Beats 3 trailer?
I always considered the mirror as the password protected lock and figured it triggered the apparition spel that would transfer the stone to the person from the pocket dimension where it resided.
Pretty much my theory. The mirror had a spell on it that when someone fulfilled it's requirements dropped the stone into their pocket/bag. (word is out on whether witches' robes share the lack of pockets with muggle woman's fashion.)
This is essentially how I always thought of it too. Dumbledore hid the stone with a spell and enchanted the mirror to transport the stone to a person if they met certain conditions.
i agree. also i dont think the mirror or the room of requirements actually "vanish" anything. vanishing things seems to be equivalent of permanently destroying something, which according to the law of equivalent exchange still has to go somewhere, so by going into "everything" means that it kinda evaporates, like, when you burn something, it becomes smoke and ashes, so the net sum of all matter in the universe stays the same. so the individual atoms of the vanished objects might get scattered across the universe or something.
Great theory, i love the fact that you linked the deluminator with the mirror of erised. And Dumbledore saying his name in Front of the mirror to Transport the Stone into it Sounds Epic. We need a Dumbledore series to Stream, so we can see all the great Things he did besides the stuff that we already know
I always imagined that Dumbledore just willed it into happening. He knew the outcome he wanted and simply stared at the mirror with the stone in his hand and the mirror knew what he desired.
I think Dumbledore would have had some kind of loophole in mind when he put the stone there. It wasnt intended to be a permanent solution. He knew Flamel would need it back to make more elixir eventually. So whether Dumbledore could get it back the way he put it in there or because HE didnt want to use it, just find it for Flamel. The theory with the deluminator might work to put him back into the mirror to retrieve the stone.
It was being kept safe till it could, or would be safe to destroy. Flamel had already made a deal with Dumbledore and made sure to have enough Elixir of Life to settle his affairs and go on to die, by choice after living such a long life.
@@insaincaldo see i dont think it was being kept for that reason. Dumbledore was able to destroy the stone fairly quickly after Voldemorts attempt to steal it. If it was so quick to do why hold it all year in a school full of kids and very dangerous enchantments protecting it? I think Flamel originally wanted to keep it but slowly realised (or Dumbledore told him) that it was too dangerous an item to be kept around. Flamel would have stored Elixir before having Dumbledore take possession of the stone so he and his wife could live until it was no longer being threatened. That is why they need to "get their affairs in order" after the stone is destroyed. They havent used the year it was at Hogwarts to do it because they intended to continue using the stone afterwards.
@@JessicaClark-lq4gw Alright upon further rereading, I have discovered the final decision to destroy it, wasn't made till after Harry had it. That said they were already prepared for that event, when it was first attempted stolen and moved to the school. So no, it wasn't actually being kept at the school till it was safe to get rid of as I thought. Though after it was moved from Gringotts, that eventuality was considered by Dumbledore and Flamel.
@@darrenhemingway7121 the philosopher's stone is supposed to be very difficult to create. In the real world histories every version of a "recipe" to create it is very difficult. In HP Flamel is the only person to ever create one. He knows how to do it but either never revealed to anyone else how to do it in over 700 years or everyone he has told how to do it has failed. I think at the age he is he would not be able to do it himself. Dumbledore would be the only other person with the magical skill to potentially do it. But it is mentioned on the chocolate frog card that he is known for working on alchemy with Flamel. Flamel would have been over 600 before Dumbledore met him. Which means he would already have the stone. For Dumbledore to be working with Flamel when Flamel already has his stone means to me that Dumbledore was trying to make one himself. He clearly failed since Flamels is the only one. So no i dont think they could go and make another one.
It's the whole "you can't have your cake and eat it too" paradox. This also adds another layer to the mirror being a precursor to the resurrection stone as you said in another video (I think). The resurrection stone gives you your loved ones/heart's desire but they aren't something you can really "have." It's almost like if you were to pull harry's parents out of the mirror. They wouldn't grow older or really be able to interact with harry past what they did in the mirror. The stone and the mirror can only give you the idea of them, what you see in your mind's eye. Just like the sorcerer's stone was just the idea of it in harry's mind. he had no intention of using/interacting with it so his idea of "it" was just the stone itself. Quirrel wanted the stone to interact with it, but you can't interact with an idea. But if this is true then I don't think the sorcerer's stone had to be put in the mirror in the first place. just hidden somewhere else like the sword of Gryffindor. And the sword can only be summoned with the intent to use it valiantly and with a true heart.
Do y'all think that thestrals are dead hippogriffs? I mean, they both have wings, they both have beaks (kind of) they both are very intelligent, and hippogriffs typically represent life and thestrals typically represent death.
i dont know that the hippogriffs represent life, and if this were true then buckbeaks execution would have been a very dangerous act. i think theres potential there that theyre cursed hippogriffs or something
First of Thestrals give live birth, they are living creatures. Also they represent omens and misfortune and I can't find a reference to the Wizarding world putting any symbolism on Hippogriffs, though it seems in real world they symbolize Love most often.
Related theory, likely thought of before but its original to me: How does the Mirror of Erised know what you desire? Probably the same way a Boggart knows what you fear most So is there a Boggart in the Mirror of Erised, that’s been enchanted/trained to reveal your desires instead of your fears?
@@donavanpicard9402 i'm not sure, thats where the comment of the person who posted it, is going. i doubt, any one would want, to see something that shows people what scares them in front of what shows them what they want. that is, unless the person's crazy and wants to be shown what they are most scared of.
@@jameshamaker9321 if a boggart alone appears to be facing the mirror, it would see what his heart wants. Which is to inspire fear. So what would fear itself fear the most? Probably to be ignored. Would it disapear out of confusion? Or would it process too much way to inspire fear and not suceed and implose into a Lightning shape? Idk my mind is just spinning\^^/
@@donavanpicard9402 since the bogart, as mentioned in the books, is a being that shows people their fears it might then have the desire to become something people fear the most. example, Voldemort, people are so afraid of him they don't say his name.
I think the only reason harry could retreive the philosopher's stone is that dumbledore put the stone into it and wanted for someone to retreive it. He is the one, who bewitched the mirror with the conditions. I don't think it's a property of the mirror.
I immediately thought this would have something to do with Dumbledore's sister, and was not disappointed. Looking forward to more Secrets of Dumbledore videos.!
OMG THIS IS THE BEST THEORY IVE HEARD IN THE LONGEST TIMES!!!!! it salutes Dumbledore's genius while acknowledging his sadness and his fear of himself I LOVE IT!!!!!
This theory is really good. Its so consistent with itself, fills in ALOT of gaps the story never gave us, and harkens to how we may very well SEE the deluminator be used. The previous fantastic beasts movie also showed Dumbledore's interaction with the mirror like he went to it often, considering how he has the deluminator in this next movie this theory also explains why we had that scene of dumbledore and the mirror to begin with. This exact theory or something rather close may very well turn out to be the true lore explanation.
The mirror of Erised is a powerful magical object in which I draw parallels to the sorting hat. They can read your thoughts and see your character. Also the hat can bestow an item to someone it deems worthy, so the same charms used on the hat could have been used on the mirror.
I don't feel like "entering the mirror" is enough of an explanation. We're trying to find out how it could come about that something came out of the mirror, which should otherwise be impossible, so if Dumbledore was to transport himself inside of the mirror, shouldn't it be plausible that he'd be unable to leave? To me it makes more sense that the mechanism for placing the stone is the same paradox as for receiving the stone, but in reverse. When Dumbledore places the stone inside the mirror, he desires it to be hidden and unreachable ("to not have it"), but that would also mean it can't be used, but not using it would mean the death of his friend Nicolas Flamel. I can't imagine Dumbledore truly wanting the death of his friend, and realizing this paradox might have given him this brilliant idea: Just as Harry wants to find it, but not use it, Dumbledore basically wants to use it, but not find it (or more precisely, he desires it to be used, but also to not be found), an exact reversal.
@Wolfram Stahl This is the one huge problem I have with Ben's Theory. Ben never theorized about how Dumbledore got out. If Dumbledore was the one holding The Deluminator and used it to enter The Mirror of Erised, that would constitute a one-way-trip, would it not? And before someone says he could use The Deluminator to get out, no. No he could not. Ever. Why? Because, as Ben stated, The Deluminator takes the wielder to the person their heart most desires when that person speaks their name. The person Dumbledore's heart most desires is his sister, Ariana. And she's dead. So she CAN'T speak his name. Just like the only person that could summon Ron would be Hermione, so, too, the only person that could summon Albus would be Ariana. If Dumbledore was stuck in the Mirror of Erised, the only way he could get out is if someone just happened to stop in front the Mirror of Erised whose heart's desire was to acquire Dumbledore, but not use him. And... that's just weird.
@@ForeverDegenerate Could it have been Flamel that pulled him out? He did have someone on the outside who he might have told what he was up to and/or what he needed to do to get Dumbledore back to this side safely. Also, based on your logic, he never could have gotten IN in the first place either, because he would, as Ben said, have to see himself holding the Deluminator instead of Ariana. So either this entire idea is broken and impossible, or he's able to put aside that longing just long enough to say "hiding the stone and making sure I don't get trapped in an alternate dimension is more important in this exact moment." So he may even have been able to do the whole thing himself. And if not, Flamel can probably save him.
I love that this channel is almost 10 years old and they’re still making videos about a 25 year old book series that they’ve been making content for since the beginning.
Am I the only who thinks Ron saw those things in the mirror in the first book because he feels insecure about being lost in the shuffle of his siblings? It showed him everything that an 11-year-old boy might want yes, but it specifically showed him the achievements of some of his older siblings. To him, if he could achieve ALL of those things, then he would actually stand out in his family for once.
"All of that. In one chapter. 20 pages." Wow that's amazing, Luke Skywalker is such an amazing writer. He really created something special with Harry Potter BUT I will say kinda put too many moments of HIS life in Harry's the whole orphan thing found by a wizard, trained by a wizard, is a chosen one, saves the day hero's journey and all. Though Luke doesn't get the girl and Harry does wonder if that was projection or not.
Came here to ask that. I mean, someone whose heart's deepest desire is to return him could get him back... But who would that be, at that specific time? McGonagall? Hagrid? Aberforth? I'm rather certain Snape would've seen himself with Lily.
Maybe he didn’t. When he faced the mirror and saw himself, he created a copy of himself in the non-being. Then he said his name, so the reflect (NB Dumbledore) did too, and Dumbledore went to non-being while NB Dumbledore went to... being I guess? So they just exchanged places and the Stone was with original Dumby so it went to NB. Then Harry put the Stone out of NB but original Dumby stayed there. The Dumbledore we see after the incident with Voldy-Quirrell is NB Dumbledore.
I just wanted to tell you guys how extremely impressed I am with coming up with theories like these. I could never have thought of a connection between the mirror of Erised and de deluminator, let alone have it make this much sense!! 💕🎉👏🏼
I believe I stated my thoughts on a previous video regarding this subject, though I will repeat my idea here: Room One: A three-headed dog that falls asleep if you play music around it, a fact made known to Harry Potter by Rubeus Hagrid right around the time Hagrid gave him a flute as a Christmas present. Room Two: A Devil's Snare, which would have easily been identified and disabled by Neville should he have accompanied the Golden Trio - nevermind the fact that it could have even been bested by a clever first year if they knew how to conjure blue bell flames (which Hermione showed she could do to Snape). Room Three: An absurdly overcomplicated aerial puzzle tailor made to be overcome by someone with the specific skillset of a talented Quidditch Seeker. Room Four: A giant chessboard easily defeated by first year student Ron Weasley, whose sole noteworthy skill is that he just so happens to be a chess prodigy. Room Five: A troll that the Golden Trio already helped incapacitate once before. Room Six: A logic puzzle that Hermione solved in less than a minute, with a potion that ONLY allows a single person to proceed to the final room at a time. Frankly, it looks very much like the gauntlet set up to protect the Philosopher's Stone was tailor made for the particular skills and specialties of Harry Potter and the three Gryffindors most likely to accompany him on his adventure. I think the entire thing was a carefully arranged plan by the Headmaster to artificially engineer a direct one-on-one confrontation between a weakened Lord Voldemort and Harry Potter in the hope that this time, the former would be destroyed completely by the latter's mysterious "Voldemort Vanquishing" power (Lily's Love), if not somehow ensnared/exorcised from Quirrell by the Mirror of Erised itself (which is almost certainly a dark object, given how Dumbledore stated that countless people lost themselves in the things it showed them). Think about it; the last time Lord Voldemort tried to kill the then-infant Harry Potter he was so utterly obliterated that he was very nearly killed - and this was at the absolute height of the Dark Lord's power. Dumbledore knew that Voldemort was still out there somewhere, and barely clinging to life as he was (needing to posses Quirrell, drink Unicorn's blood to survive, etc), what would anyone naturally assume would happen if this weakened shade of Voldemort were to try and do the same thing again; but this time when the same boy is much older? I think the chance to potentially stomp out the last lingering remnant of Voldemort was too great of a chance for Dumbledore to pass up, so he arranged this all with the hope that facing Harry would exterminate the last trace of Voldemort for good. Also; no way was the Philosopher's Stone ever actually being protected at Hogwarts in the first place - I can think of about a dozen better places in the Wizarding World to hide it than in a school full of children behind a gauntlet of Jigsaw-like puzzles. If Flamel had actually wanted the Stone protected, he'd have hidden it at the bottom of his sock drawer, cast the Fidelius Charm with his wife as the Secret Keeper, and let that be the end of it. Which of course, is EXACTLY what he did. The real Stone is still hidden away somewhere under a Fidelius by a still very-much alive Flamel (who is in hiding after faking his death), while Dumbledore made a grand spectacle of constructing elaborate traps around a highly convincing fake. He even announces what room it's in at the Opening Feast while standing ten feet away from Quirrell, since exposing Quirrell/Voldemort was actually the entire point of this whole exercise. And if this all isn't true, then maybe somebody should have considered Obliviating Hagrid.
I don't understand how you guys come up with these conclusions because my brain hurts just hearing you explain it. I love how Dumbledore is basically the mastermind behind literally everything.
I am so excited for this video. The Mirror of Erised is my absolute favorite piece of magic from the wizarding world. It’s just a fantastic piece of worldbuilding with so many fascinating implications.
Realizing what you truly are is a feat in itself but then acting on that in a way beneficial for not for you but for everyone else makes you a truly great person
Two possibilities: 1. The curse was too tough even for Fawkes. Or... 2. Fawkes thought D was such an idiot for putting on a cursed ring that he refused to shed any tears for the old fool.
I would think that a curse would fall outside of "any injury", if you focus on a curse as being a magical condition attached to a victim. It could be that you could heal the injury inflicted by said curse. In this case, necrotic flesh slowly killing healthy flesh that it comes in contact with, non-necrotic flesh could be healed, but it would still be in contact with necrotic flesh after the fact, thus continuing the process. And I'm pretty sure that Dumbledore said that he made a mistake in putting the ring on, that he'd forgotten that it could've been curse or something like that.
Could the Room of Requirement be in two places at once? If two students on opposite ends of the castle needed the room, would it appear to both of them independently and in different forms? Also, what are the stipulations for it appearing? What defines it's need of requirement? When they were searching for the entrance to the Chamber of Secrets, why didn't the Room appear as a hallway that leads to the girls bathroom? Why wouldn't it appear to take them to the entrance?
isnt there something about the room of requirement being one of the other founders' creations, like the chamber was slytherin's? was it ravenclaw's? makes sense that they wouldnt be able to access each other's through the use of their own or more simply, wouldnt be surprising if slytherin knew of the RoR and made sure to protect the chamber from it specifically
So quick update... secrets of Dumbledore when he fights Credence. He enters the "mirrored" world and fights him there then returns to the "real world" after clicking his deluminator so I'm gonna go with y'all got this one spot on. Till next time brothers.
Two things: I was under the impression that Dumbledore's most desperate desire was to know whether or not he was the one who cast the spell that killed his sister. I was also under the impression that the whole "only someone who wanted to find the stone but not use it could get it" was something Dumbledore had specifically engineered for this situation, rather than an inherent property that the mirror possesses on its own.
If that was what he wanted more than anything else - yes. But I don't think that is the case. As quoted - Dumbledore is not as good and pure a person as Harry is.
So, Dumbledores have an odd proclivity towards using mirrors for off the wall magic. Aberforth and Credence communicating in the mirror or Albus pulling Credence and the Fenix into the Dr Strange mirrorverse for instance
I dont think the stone is in some "nonbeing" world where all the things the mirror could ever show actually exists. I think Dumbledore used a spell to use the Mirror as a conduit for summoning the stone. Exactly like the Sorting Hat and the Sword of Gryffindor. The hat can summon the sword on condition that any worthy Gryffindor needs its help. The sword existed in reality in the world and was summoned to the hat when Neville needed it. The sword was somewhere in the world, probably in Gryffindors tomb when Harry summons it. I think the mirror and stone did something similar. The stone was somewhere else, probably on Dumbledores person at all times, but can be summoned through the mirror. Which I assume is how in the book Dumbledore knew what was going on, because he could feel the stone disappear from his pocket and knew at that moment it was most likely now in Harrys. How Dumbledore does this is obviously unknown but I think the Sorting Hat having to evaluate certain conditions to determine if someone was "worthy" of the sword, makes sense for Dumbledore to have more than one fail safe on the conditions for summoning the stone. Not only did they have to want to find it and not use it, but they also had to be maybe perhaps an approved person by Dumbledore, so only Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, or Flammel could get it out by means of the mirror if needed, but since its most likely Dumbledore had the stone on him none of them ever would have to resort to those means except for Harry. Otherwise if the only condition for removing the stone was simply "find the stone but not use it" Qurrell should have gotten the stone. He didn't want it for himself, he never wanted to use it, but give it to someone else. That tells me that there were multiple conditions on summoning the stone that was not being fulfilled.
Genuinely my biggest question is Why couldn't Quirrel get the stone??? He matches the requirements, the parameters Dumbledore sets out. He doesn't see himself "making gold or surrounded by elixir of life"... he sees himself giving the stone to Voldy. Other safeguard checks or requirements being in place makes a lot of sense; Thank You!
First off, Quirrell DID want to use the Stone. He wanted to use it to restore his Master. It's not like Voldemort could use it himself. He's just a face on the back of someone's head. Quirrell would have HAD to be the one to use it. And his greatest desire WAS to fulfill the will of his Master. Secondly, no Dumbledore did NOT enchant the mirror. There's a reason that The Sorting Hat is a one-of-a-kind magical item. And that reason is because Godric Gryffindor himself enchanted that hat and the enchantment was lost to time. Nobody knows how Godric did it. All of this is outright stated in Hogwarts: A History. So there is absolutely NO WAY that Albus Dumbledore re-created an enchantment created by one of the Four Founders of Hogwarts that was lost to time. An enchantment, I might add, that Wizards and Witches, throughout time, have tried to replicate. Tried... and failed. Albus Dumbledore is good. But he's not THAT good.
@@ForeverDegenerate what Qurrel saw in the mirror was not him surrounded in gold, not him making elixir either for him or someone else, all he saw was himself presenting the stone to his master. That is not using the stone. Because for Harry it was similar, he wanted to keep it from voldemort but once that was done if Harry hadn't passed out he would have immediately handed it to Dumbledore. So the desire to give the stone to someone isnt a factor. As for the specific spell being lost tp time, that's really irrelevant. Dumbledore is one of the greatest wizards ever, inventing the deluminator, discovering uses of dragons blood helping an already 600 year old accomplished alchemist who made the philosphers stone further the field of alchemy. Dumbledore is more than capable of producing a spell that achieves a similar effect and Dumbledore being Dumbledore wouldn't boast about finding a lost spell.
@@norric1 "what Qurrel saw in the mirror was not him surrounded in gold, not him making elixir either for him or someone else, all he saw was himself presenting the stone to his master." To quote Dumbledore, that will have made all the difference. Quirrell saw himself handing the stone to Voldemort. Harry saw himself put the stone in his own pocket. That should tell you all you need to know. Quirrell's desire was to give the stone to someone else for them to use, hence why he saw himself handing the stone to Voldemort. Harry never desired to give the stone to anyone TO USE and he never desired to use it himself. His one desire, at that time, was to keep the stone out of Quirrell's hands. And, thus, he saw himself pocketing the stone. As Dumbledore said, only the person who wanted to find the stone, but not use it could acquire it from the mirror. While Quirrell himself never desired to use the stone, he DID desire to acquire the stone for Voldemort to use. In that way, Quirrell did, in fact, desire the stone's use. Harry, on the other hand, did not. He may have intended to hand it over to Dumbledore, but only for safe keeping and never for use. The other thing you seem to be forgetting is that it wasn't just Quirrell standing front of the mirror. Voldemort was on the back of his head. So Voldemort was, also, standing in front of the mirror. And he DID desire to use the stone. And, in fact, what Quirrell saw COULD be construed, not as Quirrell's desire, but Voldemort's. For Voldemort's greatest desire, at that moment, was for Quirrell to acquire and hand to him The Philosopher's Stone.
@@ForeverDegenerate I just fundamentally disagree on that. Voldemort was described to be less than a man, less than the meanest shade, a fragment of a human being. He is even shown in the movies as being basically just mist and we know him to be at the very least 1/6th or less of a full person at that time in that place. So the mirror prioritizing voldemorts desires over quirrel who is a full person, just doesn't make sense to me. I also don't personally buy that just because 2 beings are possessing the same body that, that would be enough to stop the mirror. Maybe if Voldemort was possessing Quirrell in the traditional manner of full on control over him, but he had his own face on the back of his head meaning they were sharing the body. In my opinion much like a conjoined twin, who have 2 heads (in this case only 2 faces and 2 individual thoughts) but 1 body. I would think the mirror is capable as seeing each ones individual thoughts, that if a conjoined twin with 2 heads stood in front of the mirror, that if they wanted different things they would each see it. But this is all entirely speculation. Personally I think it just makess more sense that Dumbledore simply had more safeguards than he told Harry (and via Harry told us the reader). Dumbledore wouldn't have risked the stone being summoned via the mirror on simply finding it but not using it, that could be part of it, but I doubt that was all there was too it. to me it makes sense that dumbledore would have made other qualifying requirments that he didnt bother explaining. To me that makes more sense. Even if the mirror did qualify quirrell and voldemort as 1 person or that it considered quirrell wanting to give the stone to a person whom he knows wants to use it I don''t think is quite enough. Because that same exact thought process could be applied to Harry only with 1 more step removed. Harry wanted to find the stone to keep it from Voldemort. if you add 1 sentence onto that, "once he has kept it from voldemort he will give it to dumbledore" which we all know Harry would immediately do. Even if he didnt pass out down there and walked out victorious with the stone the first thing he would have done was hand the stone to Dumbledore, that is garunteed. and by extension, we know that Harry knows that Flammel would use the stone to remain alive. The first thing Harry mentions once Dumbledore tells him the stone will be destoryed, is "what about your friend Nicolas Flammel". Harry knows that if he had found where the stone was hidden, and was able to keep it from Voldemort, that he would give it to Dumbledore who would give it to Flammel who would use it again. I don't think that one step in reasoning is enough for the mirror to determine Harry worthy and Quirrell not worthy, unless there is other criteria that isn't explained to us, but left to our imaginations.
What if it is as simple as Dumbledore's explanation to Harry. Dumbledore wanted to hide to dune in the mirror more than any desire to use it, in fact, at that moment he wanted to protect the stone more than anything, so when Dumbledore puts it in his pocket, it disappears into the mirror. It could be that simple.
i'm super curious about one thing, from the books that doesn't show up in the movies, its the mention of a wand older then the elder wand and its merlin's. he gets mentioned, by way of his beard in at least two of the movies, one of them is the chamber of secrets and the other is the one after prisoner of azkaban.
I don’t think even jk rowling had this answer, and thats why she never revealed, so this theory may just be the most well crafted explanation we ever see
This uniqueness about Harry is exactly why I think Neville would not have gotten as far if he became the chosen one. Neville is awesome but he's not Harry. For most of the series, Harry saved the day without even knowing what he had to do, Dumbledore rarely ever told Harry anything and yet he always saved the day with help of course, but his unique instincts were his greatest asset, plus Hermione she was the real hero. But his instincts and humbled sense of self, made him the ideal candidate to be the chosen one.
As soon as you mentioned "mirror verse" it reminded me of when you guys talked about the Secrets of Dumbledore trailer in a different video. Such a cool theory!
I never thought Harry killed Quirrell. I always thought Quirrell was significantly injured but could have healed if it wasn't for Voldemort. Voldemort spent about a year leaching of him. When he was injured enough that he would have been captured, he left Quirrell's body. In doing so, he killed Quirrell by taking what little energy he had left.
The paradox is broken because the part of the dark lord inside him wants it, thats why he sees it in the mirror. But since he doesn't want it he can take it.
I don’t think the reason Harry sees the stone in the mirror at all is because the part of Voldemort’s soul inside him wants it, but instead because Harry himself wanted it in order to protect it! (but still not use it) That’s why he went looking for it in the first place.
this is absolutly my favorite theory, period it does not conflict with other knowledge, it explains 2 things, together, in a way that not only fits character but expands him in a reliable way amazing
What if the deluminator is actually just a micro version of the mirrors magic but Dumbledore tells everyone its only for putting out light to avoid anyone finding out just how powerful of an artifact he created and rons use was just a hint towards its true abilities
my idea is much more simple - Dumbledore just vanished the stone, so it became non-being. The Mirror of Erised showed the deepest desire of Quirrel/Voldmort - to get the stone to use it, so they saw just that. At that moment, Harry's deepest desire was to prevent Quirrel/voldemort from getting the stone, he wanted to get it to protect it, and that is why he got it. It all could have even been a decoy - to make this magical obsticle course with the mirror of erised as the final part, to make Voldemort feel like that is where the stone is hidden, while actually the stone was still in, say, Dumbledore's pocket ;) To be summoned through the mirror of erised, If the looker proved himself worthy...
I just noticed, that the mirror is kind of an opposite Boggart. The Boggart shows you your biggest fear (but its not real), the Mirror your biggest desire (but its not real). Why did I never notice that?
I always think of the inside of the Mirror like the inside of the Magic Mirror. Like in Land of Stories you can only see darkness until you get to another mirror.
This is a great theory, genuinely really well thought out......but how did he get OUT of the mirror? There would be no reflection in the real world to anchor to.
If Dumbledore’s desire when looking at the mirror was to find a place to hide the philosopher stone, wouldn’t that mean if shouldn’t be able to use the mirror itself to hide the stone since he would be using, not only finding, what the mirror is showing him? Harry finds the stone precisely because he doesn’t want to use it, but Dumbledore wants to use the ‘nonbeing’ to hide the stone.
Also, if Harry wouldn’t have got out of bed trying to stop Voldemort that night, Quirrel would never have found the stone in the first place, so him going after Voldy almost gives him the stone (yikes)
Maybe he put the stone in the mirror by giving the stone to his reflection? Or maybe Dumbledore had the stone in his pocket and his reflection took the stone out of his pocket in the reverse of how Harry got the stone.
Now that you brought up the plot point of the mirror of erised, I can very well imagine that the mysterious veil in the department of secrets is the thing that connects items to the mirror. That way the mirror knows how Harry's family looks. And it works with Dumbledoor's explanation at the end of the book. Harry also never looked into the mirror again after book one as far as I know so there could have been the chance that he could have seen Sirius with the rest of the Potter family (+ Lily's parents) after his death in book 5. But this is another story.
Does the book say the stone was in the mirror? I remember Harry asking how he got it “out” of the mirror. But it was never stated that it was in there. I always just thought that Dumbledore had it hidden and he knew Quirrell/Voldemort would not be able to use the power of the mirror to retrieve the stone so it the mirror was placed in that room as a sort of entrapment for them. Harry, however was able to use the power of the mirror and Dumbledore was very surprised and impressed.
What if it's through the veil? It could explain seeing people who already died and Dumbledore is probably allowed to access it in the ministry It doesn't explain stuff like Ron seeing himself as a prefect Though Anyway I'll start watching now
As an avid fan of the books - then movies - I’m embarrassed to admit that I’ve never considered this point … however, my first impression is that the Mirror is another Dumbledore creation, so he inherently knew how it worked … per sentiment of other replies … problem solved. Or … perhaps Dumbledor learnt more details on how the Room of Requirement works and so you must walk passed the mirror 3 times while thinking about the object you want to place into the mirror. Granted, I did enjoy your explanation!
I really like this theory. It has a grace to it. And shows how much faith Dumbledore had in Harry. Of course, he risks it all by not telling him anything, but that's a different video.
I believe that the mirror is similar to the one that Sirius fell through. that is why harry can see his parents the other side is the world of death . Harry being the master of death was able to retrieve it . he gave it via throwing the stone through the mirror in the ministry of magic . in this way it would act similar also to the vanishing cabinets .
The fact that Dumbeldor can create artifacts on par with all the ancient ones we encounter that awe us and that he can interact with existing ones on a level possibly never achieved by anyone other than their creators blows my mind. The book makes him seem rather mundane in how he interacts with Harry and the crew, it makes it feel normal to have someone like him around, but he is incredibly unique. In a century, he would be not only the stuff of legends but the stuff of myths.
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The more days go by, the more it's clearer that Voldemort's best shot to get rid of Harry was Lucious Malfoy trying to kill him over losing a house elf.
Lol
And apparently Lucius Malfoy (the actor) just forgot the spell he was going to say, so he just said the one he could remember (the killing curse)! So book Harry was never in danger of death!
@@TBIhope did you read the book?
@@ericcartman4923 yes, several times. Like I had an unhealthy level of attachment to the wizarding world for like 15 years. But I was talking about the movie, not the book.
@@TBIhope You’re mostly correct, and what isn’t is very close. But from his own mouth, he wasn’t supposed to use a spell there to begin with and it was improvised. He just wanted to give the scene more impact so he tried to say a spell, but could only remember the one and didn’t remember what it did. I think it’s pretty funny in retrospect
I always thought there was a connection between the deluminator, the mirror, and the inscription on Kendra's and Ariana's grave: "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
Yooooooo what a connection
An important note that I don't think was elaborated on: The mirror could indeed give you anything you want, but only if the mirror currently contains that object. It cannot conjure things from nothing. Elemental laws and stuff like that
Wasn't that about the food?
Isn't that contradicted by what the mirror shows you? Doesn't that imply the nonbeing actually contains everything or at the very least isn't subject to the same rules/laws?
@@mr.boomguy There are 5 exceptions
@@dustinbenzel8704 The mirror can show you things yes but only when Dumbledore put the stone within it could someone then retrieve it. Otherwise you could easily duplicate extremely powerful magical objects, as long as they were never intended to be used. The mirror gains it's information from inside your heart in a magical sense. It could not show you things that you have no knowledge of existing
@@aashd9245 ok
"MIRROR WILL YOU TAKE THE STONE?" Dumbledore asked calmly
😂
@@mbanerjee5889 OK,
BUT WHAT ABOUT SHAUN'S VIDEOS ABOUT POTTER?!
@@slevinchannel7589 watched the start and his analysis was nonsencial so I stopped watching. He said that hagrid does to the Dursley's what they did to Harry. Which is just not true, they torment him for 11 years, Hagrid says that Harry's parents were great and you should have told him that and gives someone stealing a pigs tail for a few minutes. Shaun also says muggle is a slur when it's not it's a descriptor he mixed it up with mud blood, we are 3 minutes into his video at this point and everything he said contained untruths.
@@Alex-cw3rz He's spot on on the whole slavery part though, that one is messed up. Also Harry becoming a police officer at the end of the novels instead of the Teacher, the one thing besides Quidditch he ended up being really passionate about and actually good in doing, is lame.
@@shizachan8421 well an Auror is more of a detective espcially related to dark arts, something that Harry is unbelievably passionate about, it was his highest graded subject at school. I don't believe he got grades good enough to be a teacher if like in schools in the UK you need have a C in GSCE English, whatever the wizarding equivalent of that is, he only got high in one subject defense against the Dark Arts, I.e. teaching how to become an Auror. He wasn't good enough to be a professional quidditch player and seen as he had few years out of the sport, I doubt he'd keep up with professional quidditch players. Remember Krum was already a national player and was at the final of World Cup at school.
I always figured Dumbledore kinda accidentally put the stone in the mirror the night he looked into it with Harry. It's kinda obvious all the security precautions on the 3rd floor are a decoy because the safest place for it is in Dumbledore's pocket but he wanted to find a safe place to leave it because big rock in pocket. By the end of the series, we're supposed to think he saw his family. But what if he was wanting to find the best place to hide the stone from Ol' Voldy at that moment, and saw himself putting the stone in the mirror in much the same way Harry got the stone out of it. And then he figured out what happened later. Which is why it's so clever. He wanted to hide the stone and looked in the mirror to see how and the mirror was like *YOINK*
I do really like this idea- The act of wanting a place to hide the stone prompted the mirror to do just that- Good concept
But would Dumbledore do something that random and easy? I always thought that he carefully plans his moves and while his ideas may come to him quickly, he thinks them completely through. And i don't think he would have said it was one of his more brilliant ideas🤔
But yours is a very good theory😅
It's brilliant! "Only someone who wanted to hide the stone so someone else could find it, but not themselves, could put the stone into the mirror."
Also I only just realized what was going on with the other teachers' protections. They weren't there to keep everyone out, they were there to keep out people who didn't want to find or use the stone. The locked door and Dumbledore's warning kept out most people, Fluffy intimidated all but the most determined intruders, and the other challenges kept out people without the magic ability and knowledge to use the stone, while also limiting the number of people who could pass into the mirror chamber. Additionally, most of the challenges showed evidence of intruders, limiting how often and how long they could be in there.
Ok now this is canon in my head hahahah
@@Sara-bg8ku maybe he realised that it was his true desire so the mirror would tell him, that is why he thought it was so brilliant, because it was, after all, his idea and his desire
The fact that there are still theories and new things to talk about in the Harry Potter universe after so long is truly freaking magical!!
You said it!
What happens if you threw the philosophers stone through the veil? The stone isn't alive so it can't die but it does create the elixir of life...
Ironic
@@plotholedetective4166 I think anyone on the other side of the veil would find it in their realm and it’d be lost forever (but I don’t think it would work there)
If you have been an old fan of this Channel, you'd know SCB had something completely different about what this video says at 12:08 mark.
Laughed way too hard at "Not you. Not Hermione. Me."
I completely lost it XD
Lol so funny lol Lol lol lol
I've literally never thought about the fact that seeing his parents in the mirror would be the first time really even knowing what they looked like. It seems very sweet but also extremely sad at the same time
To expand on your idea, consider how mirrors work: they reflect *_light_* . How does the Mirror of Erised work in the *_absence_* of light? Perhaps Dumbledore invented the Deluminator (literally, the light-take-awayer) to find the answer to that question...
to deluminate could also refer to the de-ilumination or in reference to the mirror reflection (mental) look at ron, he used the deluminator when he was lost, found his way back and realized, he had to, cause otherwise he would never have found harry drowning in time ;) and he also realized something else... their fight.. the cause of it was ?? the LOCKET.. and what does he find when he finds harry..?? the sword of gryffindor and the little ball of light he mentions? it was guiding him to the love of his life! in other words: his light, in the dark.. it hides what needs to remain hidden...and uncovers what needs to be found..
two opposites: Light and Darkness, Hide and Reveal
Now im imagining dumbledore in a room with a window pondering that very question. He uses the deluminator on a whim and accidentally turns off the sun. Just like “merlin’s beard, i just violated the statute of secrecy.
He went *ploop*: “Presto chang-o. Problem solved.”
(Insert Shia LeBouf “magic” gif)
“Problem solvedo”
😂
Maybe when Dumbledore says “Happiness can be found even in the darkest of times, if one only remembers to turn on the light” he’s referring to how if you use the Deluminator it will take you to what/who you desire to see the most, which would be your happiness.
Sweet thought👍
Considering how lights have worked over the course of history, reflection, refraction and all that, I wonder if it delumenator has a really small shard of the mirror in it. 🤔 That could lend itself to quite A few ideas. Good theory gentleman. 👍
"How did Dumbledore get the Stone in the mirror?"
Love, of course.
Seems legit
#SeemsLegit
@@itzspinika8225 #ItsPrettyobvious
I was gonna say magic, but seems legit
@@questbuilds7736 Omg i love this
If Harry hadn't gone in to try and save it, the stone would not have been in any danger of being stolen at all. Setting this trap up involved the risk of Voldemort getting it and returning to power. I love how Dumbledore risks the entire wizarding world just to check out what Harry can do lol
I know right
Pitch meeting made fun of this
AH, but what if it was not the salvation that Voldemort thought it was? Dumbledore knows the 2nd most about that stone in the entire world and was a lifelong friend of its creator. He knows the exact limits and probably knows something about it that Voldemort doesn't. Hence Flamel appearing in the fantastic beasts movie. CLEARLY the stone doesn't do exactly what it says on the label. It prolonged his life (potentially indefinitely) but at the cost of him becoming a weak shell of himself. It's quite plausible that Voldemort has bought into the hype of the stone without fully knowing its true abilities.
Also there was the flame puzzle. Both bottles were still there so he probably could just go through, but that's more on the spell work than on the logic of the puzzle
God so true
And it also means that all the rest of the protections in place were irrelevant. All that was needed was the mirror. If that was all there was, the holy trio wouldn't have encountered Fluffy, and wouldn't have started wondering about what it was guarding, and they never would have gone through the trap door, and Quirrell would have stood there until Voldy got so frustrated that he would have killed him, or at the very least given up and left. Maybe he would have broken the mirror (which wouldn't have gotten him the stone), or perhaps he would have lashed out in anger, killing random muggles and muggleborns, just to vent.
I have a question. What if the properties of the mirror are even darker? Such that you can only retrieve from it something that someone else wants. Like to steal it away from them? Harry didn't necessarily want the stone; he only wanted for Voldemort to not have it, maybe? That would be wicked.
Also could it be possible to resurrect someone or even make a duplicate of someone using the mirror, assuming there is some loophole that allows you to pull things out that weren't necessarily put in? Like using your explanation of how Albus entered the mirror to place the stone in it, could he do the same thing but maybe in his initial reflection he saw his sister and pull her out upon his exit. Also, I'm assuming that he did exit the same way he went in, but if he went in the mirrorverse and then lost the deluminator, then would he be stuck there or would the mirror have a way of kicking him out since he technically shouldn't belong there? Idk. I got too many thoughts buzzing around rn.
How about Dumbledore never escaped the mirror, and the person we see all the way till the end is just his reflected copy? Ooooooh.
That is a really good and thought through question.
@@DuyNguyenNEU That is insane! I never thought about it like that.
The mirror of pettiness. "I don't want the stone, but I want what you want so that you can't have it! :P"
Either way, Terry is gonna be angry w/ the count being off.
How did Dumbledore hide the stone in the mirror?
✨️magic✨️
haha as ever!
a wizard did it.
@@SuperCarlinBrothers OK,
BUT WHAT ABOUT SHAUN'S VIDEOS ABOUT POTTER?!
@@slevinchannel7589 watched the start and his analysis was nonsencial so I stopped watching. He said that hagrid does to the Dursley's what they did to Harry. Which is just not true, they torment him for 11 years, Hagrid says that Harry's parents were great and you should have told him that and gives someone stealing a pigs tail for a few minutes. Shaun also says muggle is a slur when it's not it's a descriptor he mixed it up with mud blood, we are 3 minutes into his video at this point and everything he said contained untruths.
I had a different theory. To place it in the mirror, you must desire to use it, but not to find it. So he just does what Harry does, but in reverse (mirrored) place it in his pocket and its gone.
I think we can safely say that Dumbledore both desired to use it and also desired not to be able to find it anymore. That was the whole point of setting up the mirror.
I don’t think it could literally give you anything. The only thing we’ve seen come out of the mirror is something someone deliberately put in there. So I think the only way you could get mountains of gold is if someone had already put mountains of gold in it.
ya I was thinking the same thing
interesting thought process, i like the logical way you presented your idea.
i like your thought process, on the subject. its very interesting.
i agree
I remember thinking Dumbledore was the chillest dude when he was like, “oh ya I just see myself holding some cozy socks”😂
To be fair, when you think about it, Harry asked a SUPER personal question. Let's just ask my teacher what their vulnerable heart desires most in the world and what that might reveal about their history. I've always thought Dumbledore chose socks just so he didn't have to answer truthfully.
I'm with you, I believed him xD In book 1, you don't really think about who Dumbledore is outside of school. He's just the super powerful headmaster who is always calm and collected. What else than socks would he want?
I'm surprised you guys didn't mention the quote on Kendas tombstone presumably added by Albus? "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. Seems to fit nicely with the video.
They did in the first video about the deluminator.
I immediately thought about this "mirrorverse" from the trailer, when you started your explanation.
And about this galleon stuff: don't I remember correctly, that money is one of the five exceptions to the Gamp's Law of Elemental Transfiguration and cannot be creating magically, hence neither by the Mirror?
My thoughts exactly .
I think it's specifically pure metals like gold, silver, and platinum, that's why the stone is so valuable, it's the only way to actually make wizard money, because anything that is replicable is worthless
Yeah, he said "some kind of mirror-verse" and I was like "hhmmmmmmmm."
I don't think it can materialize anything at all, the only reason it gave the stone was cause it was left there to begin with, if harry wanted the stone and didn't want to use it then nothing would have happened if Dumbledore didn't put the stone there to begin with
It's said that food is one of the exceptions. It's never been confirmed what the others are, but it's heavily theorised that money is one, which is why poverty exists in the Wizarding World
I always thought that Dumbledore just bound some kind of spell onto the stone like Odin did with Mjolnir. “Whosoever seeks this stone, if he be worthy, shall possess... the stone.” Similar to how the Sword of Gryffindor works. The mirror's role was just to show Harry where the stone was.
Just imagining Hagrid explaining how it was done and then ending it with "I shouldn't have said that"
OK,
BUT WHAT ABOUT SHAUN'S VIDEOS ABOUT POTTER?!
@@slevinchannel7589 watched the start and his analysis was nonsencial so I stopped watching. He said that hagrid does to the Dursley's what they did to Harry. Which is just not true, they torment him for 11 years, Hagrid says that Harry's parents were great and you should have told him that and gives someone stealing a pigs tail for a few minutes. Shaun also says muggle is a slur when it's not it's a descriptor he mixed it up with mud blood, we are 3 minutes into his video at this point and everything he said contained untruths.
@@Alex-cw3rz You not understanding it does not mean it's nonsensical.
Hubris much?
@@slevinchannel7589 what he said does not match what is written in the story.
He claims that hagrid turns up to the lighthouse to bully the Dursley's like they bullied Harry that's not what he does. That's why his analysis is nonsencial.
You know, sometimes I'm totally okay with magic not making any sense but I'm constantly amazed at how people can come up with such plausible theories
Just a point about the Deluminator, it doesn't "turn off the lights" it takes the light.
Dumbledore said it was a brilliant idea and to complement that, your explanation is brilliant! Really cool how you tied the mirror and deluminator together.
I believe that the mirror was used merely as a method of testing the person's motivations. The mirror is able to test a person's desires, which then activates the additional magic Dumbledore places on the stone.
indeed. The mirror only reads minds and shows pictures. Dumbledore put the stone into subspace and used the mirror as a padlock for that pocket dimension.
I suddenly realised that the resurrection stone ultimately helped Dumbledore to be with his family(except his brother); not by bringing them back but by killing him
Ha! That’s tragic irony for ya!
Mirror? Reminds me of the new Dumbledore's secrets trailer. Maybe we'll learn something about the stone's future hiding place.👀
could "the One Ring" be put inside the mirror of Erised to protect it from Sauron? If so who could get it? Frodo would want it, to destroy it. Bilbo and Gollum would want it because it's precious to them, I feel like they might be able to get it. They don't want it for any particular outcome other than just to have it. But I suppose if Gandalf had access to the mirror he would hide it in there with the condition that only someone who wants it to destroy it can get it
But gollum wants to use it. He is addicted to the ring and wants to use it to feel happy. Harry doesnt care about the stone at all, he doesnt want to have or keep it, he just doesnt want voldemort to come back. so i dont think gollum woud be able to get the ring out of the mirror.
Wow guys this was a great one! Do you think that this "mirror-verse" could be somehow related to the one we've seen in the newest Fantastic Beats 3 trailer?
I always considered the mirror as the password protected lock and figured it triggered the apparition spel that would transfer the stone to the person from the pocket dimension where it resided.
Pretty much my theory. The mirror had a spell on it that when someone fulfilled it's requirements dropped the stone into their pocket/bag. (word is out on whether witches' robes share the lack of pockets with muggle woman's fashion.)
This is essentially how I always thought of it too. Dumbledore hid the stone with a spell and enchanted the mirror to transport the stone to a person if they met certain conditions.
i agree. also i dont think the mirror or the room of requirements actually "vanish" anything. vanishing things seems to be equivalent of permanently destroying something, which according to the law of equivalent exchange still has to go somewhere, so by going into "everything" means that it kinda evaporates, like, when you burn something, it becomes smoke and ashes, so the net sum of all matter in the universe stays the same. so the individual atoms of the vanished objects might get scattered across the universe or something.
Great theory, i love the fact that you linked the deluminator with the mirror of erised. And Dumbledore saying his name in Front of the mirror to Transport the Stone into it Sounds Epic.
We need a Dumbledore series to Stream, so we can see all the great Things he did besides the stuff that we already know
I always imagined that Dumbledore just willed it into happening. He knew the outcome he wanted and simply stared at the mirror with the stone in his hand and the mirror knew what he desired.
I think Dumbledore would have had some kind of loophole in mind when he put the stone there. It wasnt intended to be a permanent solution. He knew Flamel would need it back to make more elixir eventually. So whether Dumbledore could get it back the way he put it in there or because HE didnt want to use it, just find it for Flamel. The theory with the deluminator might work to put him back into the mirror to retrieve the stone.
It was being kept safe till it could, or would be safe to destroy. Flamel had already made a deal with Dumbledore and made sure to have enough Elixir of Life to settle his affairs and go on to die, by choice after living such a long life.
@@insaincaldo see i dont think it was being kept for that reason. Dumbledore was able to destroy the stone fairly quickly after Voldemorts attempt to steal it. If it was so quick to do why hold it all year in a school full of kids and very dangerous enchantments protecting it? I think Flamel originally wanted to keep it but slowly realised (or Dumbledore told him) that it was too dangerous an item to be kept around. Flamel would have stored Elixir before having Dumbledore take possession of the stone so he and his wife could live until it was no longer being threatened. That is why they need to "get their affairs in order" after the stone is destroyed. They havent used the year it was at Hogwarts to do it because they intended to continue using the stone afterwards.
@@JessicaClark-lq4gw Alright upon further rereading, I have discovered the final decision to destroy it, wasn't made till after Harry had it.
That said they were already prepared for that event, when it was first attempted stolen and moved to the school. So no, it wasn't actually being kept at the school till it was safe to get rid of as I thought. Though after it was moved from Gringotts, that eventuality was considered by Dumbledore and Flamel.
Flamel created the stone originally, so unless there is a reason that it cannot be replicated, Flamel could just create a second stone…
@@darrenhemingway7121 the philosopher's stone is supposed to be very difficult to create. In the real world histories every version of a "recipe" to create it is very difficult. In HP Flamel is the only person to ever create one. He knows how to do it but either never revealed to anyone else how to do it in over 700 years or everyone he has told how to do it has failed. I think at the age he is he would not be able to do it himself. Dumbledore would be the only other person with the magical skill to potentially do it. But it is mentioned on the chocolate frog card that he is known for working on alchemy with Flamel. Flamel would have been over 600 before Dumbledore met him. Which means he would already have the stone. For Dumbledore to be working with Flamel when Flamel already has his stone means to me that Dumbledore was trying to make one himself. He clearly failed since Flamels is the only one. So no i dont think they could go and make another one.
It's the whole "you can't have your cake and eat it too" paradox. This also adds another layer to the mirror being a precursor to the resurrection stone as you said in another video (I think). The resurrection stone gives you your loved ones/heart's desire but they aren't something you can really "have." It's almost like if you were to pull harry's parents out of the mirror. They wouldn't grow older or really be able to interact with harry past what they did in the mirror. The stone and the mirror can only give you the idea of them, what you see in your mind's eye. Just like the sorcerer's stone was just the idea of it in harry's mind. he had no intention of using/interacting with it so his idea of "it" was just the stone itself. Quirrel wanted the stone to interact with it, but you can't interact with an idea. But if this is true then I don't think the sorcerer's stone had to be put in the mirror in the first place. just hidden somewhere else like the sword of Gryffindor. And the sword can only be summoned with the intent to use it valiantly and with a true heart.
wow the fact that the last chapter was just 20 pages absolutely blew my mind, never noticed that at all
I really like this theory, especially the duality of how Harry beats the mirror paradox vs how Dumboldore does
Do y'all think that thestrals are dead hippogriffs? I mean, they both have wings, they both have beaks (kind of) they both are very intelligent, and hippogriffs typically represent life and thestrals typically represent death.
i dont know that the hippogriffs represent life, and if this were true then buckbeaks execution would have been a very dangerous act. i think theres potential there that theyre cursed hippogriffs or something
@@ViewerEm Maybe, but they are definitely related
First of Thestrals give live birth, they are living creatures. Also they represent omens and misfortune and I can't find a reference to the Wizarding world putting any symbolism on Hippogriffs, though it seems in real world they symbolize Love most often.
Related theory, likely thought of before but its original to me:
How does the Mirror of Erised know what you desire?
Probably the same way a Boggart knows what you fear most
So is there a Boggart in the Mirror of Erised, that’s been enchanted/trained to reveal your desires instead of your fears?
Imagine a boggart in front of the mirror?!!?
@@donavanpicard9402 i'm not sure, thats where the comment of the person who posted it, is going. i doubt, any one would want, to see something that shows people what scares them in front of what shows them what they want. that is, unless the person's crazy and wants to be shown what they are most scared of.
@@jameshamaker9321 if a boggart alone appears to be facing the mirror, it would see what his heart wants. Which is to inspire fear. So what would fear itself fear the most?
Probably to be ignored. Would it disapear out of confusion? Or would it process too much way to inspire fear and not suceed and implose into a Lightning shape?
Idk my mind is just spinning\^^/
@@donavanpicard9402 since the bogart, as mentioned in the books, is a being that shows people their fears it might then have the desire to become something people fear the most. example, Voldemort, people are so afraid of him they don't say his name.
@@jameshamaker9321 i mean, if there is nobody around...
I think the only reason harry could retreive the philosopher's stone is that dumbledore put the stone into it and wanted for someone to retreive it. He is the one, who bewitched the mirror with the conditions. I don't think it's a property of the mirror.
I thought about another theory based on light reflexion. The main function of a mirror is to reflect the light, the deluminator absorbs it.
I immediately thought this would have something to do with Dumbledore's sister, and was not disappointed. Looking forward to more Secrets of Dumbledore videos.!
OMG THIS IS THE BEST THEORY IVE HEARD IN THE LONGEST TIMES!!!!! it salutes Dumbledore's genius while acknowledging his sadness and his fear of himself I LOVE IT!!!!!
This theory is really good. Its so consistent with itself, fills in ALOT of gaps the story never gave us, and harkens to how we may very well SEE the deluminator be used. The previous fantastic beasts movie also showed Dumbledore's interaction with the mirror like he went to it often, considering how he has the deluminator in this next movie this theory also explains why we had that scene of dumbledore and the mirror to begin with. This exact theory or something rather close may very well turn out to be the true lore explanation.
The mirror of Erised is a powerful magical object in which I draw parallels to the sorting hat. They can read your thoughts and see your character. Also the hat can bestow an item to someone it deems worthy, so the same charms used on the hat could have been used on the mirror.
I don't feel like "entering the mirror" is enough of an explanation. We're trying to find out how it could come about that something came out of the mirror, which should otherwise be impossible, so if Dumbledore was to transport himself inside of the mirror, shouldn't it be plausible that he'd be unable to leave?
To me it makes more sense that the mechanism for placing the stone is the same paradox as for receiving the stone, but in reverse. When Dumbledore places the stone inside the mirror, he desires it to be hidden and unreachable ("to not have it"), but that would also mean it can't be used, but not using it would mean the death of his friend Nicolas Flamel. I can't imagine Dumbledore truly wanting the death of his friend, and realizing this paradox might have given him this brilliant idea: Just as Harry wants to find it, but not use it, Dumbledore basically wants to use it, but not find it (or more precisely, he desires it to be used, but also to not be found), an exact reversal.
This was exactly my first thought after watching the video but I wasn't sure how to word it. Good explanation.
Even Im confused about the exiting part.
But it was written in the book that Mr flamel was ready to let death take him. He had lived his life.
@Wolfram Stahl This is the one huge problem I have with Ben's Theory. Ben never theorized about how Dumbledore got out. If Dumbledore was the one holding The Deluminator and used it to enter The Mirror of Erised, that would constitute a one-way-trip, would it not? And before someone says he could use The Deluminator to get out, no. No he could not. Ever. Why? Because, as Ben stated, The Deluminator takes the wielder to the person their heart most desires when that person speaks their name. The person Dumbledore's heart most desires is his sister, Ariana. And she's dead. So she CAN'T speak his name. Just like the only person that could summon Ron would be Hermione, so, too, the only person that could summon Albus would be Ariana.
If Dumbledore was stuck in the Mirror of Erised, the only way he could get out is if someone just happened to stop in front the Mirror of Erised whose heart's desire was to acquire Dumbledore, but not use him. And... that's just weird.
@@ForeverDegenerate No, both real and existing Dumbeldores replace each other. They both come in place of each other.
@@ForeverDegenerate Could it have been Flamel that pulled him out? He did have someone on the outside who he might have told what he was up to and/or what he needed to do to get Dumbledore back to this side safely.
Also, based on your logic, he never could have gotten IN in the first place either, because he would, as Ben said, have to see himself holding the Deluminator instead of Ariana. So either this entire idea is broken and impossible, or he's able to put aside that longing just long enough to say "hiding the stone and making sure I don't get trapped in an alternate dimension is more important in this exact moment." So he may even have been able to do the whole thing himself. And if not, Flamel can probably save him.
I love that this channel is almost 10 years old and they’re still making videos about a 25 year old book series that they’ve been making content for since the beginning.
I have an idea for the next theory...
How, why and when Mcgonagall became a Animagus? I don't know if it has already been answered🤷🏼♂️
what a brilliant answer to this mystery that's been silently plaguing my mind whenever i watched philosopher's stone!! thank you!!
I’ve always wondered this!! It was great running into you the other day too Ben!
Great theory! Really blows your mind about the possibilities. And how great relating it back to the mirror and the hallows.
Magic right? He used magic ;)
NAILED IT!
Am I the only who thinks Ron saw those things in the mirror in the first book because he feels insecure about being lost in the shuffle of his siblings? It showed him everything that an 11-year-old boy might want yes, but it specifically showed him the achievements of some of his older siblings. To him, if he could achieve ALL of those things, then he would actually stand out in his family for once.
"All of that. In one chapter. 20 pages."
Wow that's amazing, Luke Skywalker is such an amazing writer. He really created something special with Harry Potter BUT I will say kinda put too many moments of HIS life in Harry's the whole orphan thing found by a wizard, trained by a wizard, is a chosen one, saves the day hero's journey and all. Though Luke doesn't get the girl and Harry does wonder if that was projection or not.
Spectacular explanation, but my question is, how did he get back OUT?
Came here to ask that. I mean, someone whose heart's deepest desire is to return him could get him back... But who would that be, at that specific time? McGonagall? Hagrid? Aberforth? I'm rather certain Snape would've seen himself with Lily.
Maybe he didn’t. When he faced the mirror and saw himself, he created a copy of himself in the non-being. Then he said his name, so the reflect (NB Dumbledore) did too, and Dumbledore went to non-being while NB Dumbledore went to... being I guess? So they just exchanged places and the Stone was with original Dumby so it went to NB. Then Harry put the Stone out of NB but original Dumby stayed there. The Dumbledore we see after the incident with Voldy-Quirrell is NB Dumbledore.
I just wanted to tell you guys how extremely impressed I am with coming up with theories like these. I could never have thought of a connection between the mirror of Erised and de deluminator, let alone have it make this much sense!! 💕🎉👏🏼
I believe I stated my thoughts on a previous video regarding this subject, though I will repeat my idea here:
Room One: A three-headed dog that falls asleep if you play music around it, a fact made known to Harry Potter by Rubeus Hagrid right around the time Hagrid gave him a flute as a Christmas present.
Room Two: A Devil's Snare, which would have easily been identified and disabled by Neville should he have accompanied the Golden Trio - nevermind the fact that it could have even been bested by a clever first year if they knew how to conjure blue bell flames (which Hermione showed she could do to Snape).
Room Three: An absurdly overcomplicated aerial puzzle tailor made to be overcome by someone with the specific skillset of a talented Quidditch Seeker.
Room Four: A giant chessboard easily defeated by first year student Ron Weasley, whose sole noteworthy skill is that he just so happens to be a chess prodigy.
Room Five: A troll that the Golden Trio already helped incapacitate once before.
Room Six: A logic puzzle that Hermione solved in less than a minute, with a potion that ONLY allows a single person to proceed to the final room at a time.
Frankly, it looks very much like the gauntlet set up to protect the Philosopher's Stone was tailor made for the particular skills and specialties of Harry Potter and the three Gryffindors most likely to accompany him on his adventure.
I think the entire thing was a carefully arranged plan by the Headmaster to artificially engineer a direct one-on-one confrontation between a weakened Lord Voldemort and Harry Potter in the hope that this time, the former would be destroyed completely by the latter's mysterious "Voldemort Vanquishing" power (Lily's Love), if not somehow ensnared/exorcised from Quirrell by the Mirror of Erised itself (which is almost certainly a dark object, given how Dumbledore stated that countless people lost themselves in the things it showed them).
Think about it; the last time Lord Voldemort tried to kill the then-infant Harry Potter he was so utterly obliterated that he was very nearly killed - and this was at the absolute height of the Dark Lord's power. Dumbledore knew that Voldemort was still out there somewhere, and barely clinging to life as he was (needing to posses Quirrell, drink Unicorn's blood to survive, etc), what would anyone naturally assume would happen if this weakened shade of Voldemort were to try and do the same thing again; but this time when the same boy is much older?
I think the chance to potentially stomp out the last lingering remnant of Voldemort was too great of a chance for Dumbledore to pass up, so he arranged this all with the hope that facing Harry would exterminate the last trace of Voldemort for good.
Also; no way was the Philosopher's Stone ever actually being protected at Hogwarts in the first place - I can think of about a dozen better places in the Wizarding World to hide it than in a school full of children behind a gauntlet of Jigsaw-like puzzles. If Flamel had actually wanted the Stone protected, he'd have hidden it at the bottom of his sock drawer, cast the Fidelius Charm with his wife as the Secret Keeper, and let that be the end of it.
Which of course, is EXACTLY what he did.
The real Stone is still hidden away somewhere under a Fidelius by a still very-much alive Flamel (who is in hiding after faking his death), while Dumbledore made a grand spectacle of constructing elaborate traps around a highly convincing fake. He even announces what room it's in at the Opening Feast while standing ten feet away from Quirrell, since exposing Quirrell/Voldemort was actually the entire point of this whole exercise.
And if this all isn't true, then maybe somebody should have considered Obliviating Hagrid.
I don't understand how you guys come up with these conclusions because my brain hurts just hearing you explain it.
I love how Dumbledore is basically the mastermind behind literally everything.
I am so excited for this video. The Mirror of Erised is my absolute favorite piece of magic from the wizarding world. It’s just a fantastic piece of worldbuilding with so many fascinating implications.
It totally makes sense, Dumbledore was the master of love magic so he could've done it.
Realizing what you truly are is a feat in itself but then acting on that in a way beneficial for not for you but for everyone else makes you a truly great person
Does a curse fall under the "any injury" category? Could Fawkes have healed Dumbledore after putting on the ring?
Two possibilities:
1. The curse was too tough even for Fawkes. Or...
2. Fawkes thought D was such an idiot for putting on a cursed ring that he refused to shed any tears for the old fool.
@@DonDueed I hope it's the latter cuz thats pure irony.
I'm thinking he put on the ring knowing full well what was going to happen, so even if Fawkes could have healed the curse, D didn't want him too.
I would think that a curse would fall outside of "any injury", if you focus on a curse as being a magical condition attached to a victim. It could be that you could heal the injury inflicted by said curse. In this case, necrotic flesh slowly killing healthy flesh that it comes in contact with, non-necrotic flesh could be healed, but it would still be in contact with necrotic flesh after the fact, thus continuing the process.
And I'm pretty sure that Dumbledore said that he made a mistake in putting the ring on, that he'd forgotten that it could've been curse or something like that.
I actually love this theory i feel like the deluminatoris just slowly becoming another deathly hallow
Could the Room of Requirement be in two places at once? If two students on opposite ends of the castle needed the room, would it appear to both of them independently and in different forms?
Also, what are the stipulations for it appearing? What defines it's need of requirement? When they were searching for the entrance to the Chamber of Secrets, why didn't the Room appear as a hallway that leads to the girls bathroom? Why wouldn't it appear to take them to the entrance?
isnt there something about the room of requirement being one of the other founders' creations, like the chamber was slytherin's? was it ravenclaw's? makes sense that they wouldnt be able to access each other's through the use of their own
or more simply, wouldnt be surprising if slytherin knew of the RoR and made sure to protect the chamber from it specifically
@@MichaelP833 Well, that was one of the theories that these two came up with. It's not canon though.
So quick update... secrets of Dumbledore when he fights Credence. He enters the "mirrored" world and fights him there then returns to the "real world" after clicking his deluminator so I'm gonna go with y'all got this one spot on. Till next time brothers.
Two things:
I was under the impression that Dumbledore's most desperate desire was to know whether or not he was the one who cast the spell that killed his sister.
I was also under the impression that the whole "only someone who wanted to find the stone but not use it could get it" was something Dumbledore had specifically engineered for this situation, rather than an inherent property that the mirror possesses on its own.
9:10 ngl, got literal chills when he made that comparison between getting the stone and surviving in the forest
If Dumbledore wanted to hide the stone in the mirror, would it show him how?
If that was what he wanted more than anything else - yes. But I don't think that is the case. As quoted - Dumbledore is not as good and pure a person as Harry is.
So, Dumbledores have an odd proclivity towards using mirrors for off the wall magic. Aberforth and Credence communicating in the mirror or Albus pulling Credence and the Fenix into the Dr Strange mirrorverse for instance
I dont think the stone is in some "nonbeing" world where all the things the mirror could ever show actually exists. I think Dumbledore used a spell to use the Mirror as a conduit for summoning the stone. Exactly like the Sorting Hat and the Sword of Gryffindor. The hat can summon the sword on condition that any worthy Gryffindor needs its help. The sword existed in reality in the world and was summoned to the hat when Neville needed it. The sword was somewhere in the world, probably in Gryffindors tomb when Harry summons it. I think the mirror and stone did something similar. The stone was somewhere else, probably on Dumbledores person at all times, but can be summoned through the mirror. Which I assume is how in the book Dumbledore knew what was going on, because he could feel the stone disappear from his pocket and knew at that moment it was most likely now in Harrys.
How Dumbledore does this is obviously unknown but I think the Sorting Hat having to evaluate certain conditions to determine if someone was "worthy" of the sword, makes sense for Dumbledore to have more than one fail safe on the conditions for summoning the stone. Not only did they have to want to find it and not use it, but they also had to be maybe perhaps an approved person by Dumbledore, so only Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, or Flammel could get it out by means of the mirror if needed, but since its most likely Dumbledore had the stone on him none of them ever would have to resort to those means except for Harry. Otherwise if the only condition for removing the stone was simply "find the stone but not use it" Qurrell should have gotten the stone. He didn't want it for himself, he never wanted to use it, but give it to someone else. That tells me that there were multiple conditions on summoning the stone that was not being fulfilled.
Genuinely my biggest question is Why couldn't Quirrel get the stone??? He matches the requirements, the parameters Dumbledore sets out. He doesn't see himself "making gold or surrounded by elixir of life"... he sees himself giving the stone to Voldy. Other safeguard checks or requirements being in place makes a lot of sense; Thank You!
First off, Quirrell DID want to use the Stone. He wanted to use it to restore his Master. It's not like Voldemort could use it himself. He's just a face on the back of someone's head. Quirrell would have HAD to be the one to use it. And his greatest desire WAS to fulfill the will of his Master.
Secondly, no Dumbledore did NOT enchant the mirror. There's a reason that The Sorting Hat is a one-of-a-kind magical item. And that reason is because Godric Gryffindor himself enchanted that hat and the enchantment was lost to time. Nobody knows how Godric did it. All of this is outright stated in Hogwarts: A History. So there is absolutely NO WAY that Albus Dumbledore re-created an enchantment created by one of the Four Founders of Hogwarts that was lost to time. An enchantment, I might add, that Wizards and Witches, throughout time, have tried to replicate. Tried... and failed. Albus Dumbledore is good. But he's not THAT good.
@@ForeverDegenerate what Qurrel saw in the mirror was not him surrounded in gold, not him making elixir either for him or someone else, all he saw was himself presenting the stone to his master. That is not using the stone. Because for Harry it was similar, he wanted to keep it from voldemort but once that was done if Harry hadn't passed out he would have immediately handed it to Dumbledore. So the desire to give the stone to someone isnt a factor.
As for the specific spell being lost tp time, that's really irrelevant. Dumbledore is one of the greatest wizards ever, inventing the deluminator, discovering uses of dragons blood helping an already 600 year old accomplished alchemist who made the philosphers stone further the field of alchemy. Dumbledore is more than capable of producing a spell that achieves a similar effect and Dumbledore being Dumbledore wouldn't boast about finding a lost spell.
@@norric1 "what Qurrel saw in the mirror was not him surrounded in gold, not him making elixir either for him or someone else, all he saw was himself presenting the stone to his master." To quote Dumbledore, that will have made all the difference. Quirrell saw himself handing the stone to Voldemort. Harry saw himself put the stone in his own pocket. That should tell you all you need to know. Quirrell's desire was to give the stone to someone else for them to use, hence why he saw himself handing the stone to Voldemort. Harry never desired to give the stone to anyone TO USE and he never desired to use it himself. His one desire, at that time, was to keep the stone out of Quirrell's hands. And, thus, he saw himself pocketing the stone.
As Dumbledore said, only the person who wanted to find the stone, but not use it could acquire it from the mirror. While Quirrell himself never desired to use the stone, he DID desire to acquire the stone for Voldemort to use. In that way, Quirrell did, in fact, desire the stone's use. Harry, on the other hand, did not. He may have intended to hand it over to Dumbledore, but only for safe keeping and never for use.
The other thing you seem to be forgetting is that it wasn't just Quirrell standing front of the mirror. Voldemort was on the back of his head. So Voldemort was, also, standing in front of the mirror. And he DID desire to use the stone. And, in fact, what Quirrell saw COULD be construed, not as Quirrell's desire, but Voldemort's. For Voldemort's greatest desire, at that moment, was for Quirrell to acquire and hand to him The Philosopher's Stone.
@@ForeverDegenerate I just fundamentally disagree on that. Voldemort was described to be less than a man, less than the meanest shade, a fragment of a human being. He is even shown in the movies as being basically just mist and we know him to be at the very least 1/6th or less of a full person at that time in that place. So the mirror prioritizing voldemorts desires over quirrel who is a full person, just doesn't make sense to me. I also don't personally buy that just because 2 beings are possessing the same body that, that would be enough to stop the mirror. Maybe if Voldemort was possessing Quirrell in the traditional manner of full on control over him, but he had his own face on the back of his head meaning they were sharing the body. In my opinion much like a conjoined twin, who have 2 heads (in this case only 2 faces and 2 individual thoughts) but 1 body. I would think the mirror is capable as seeing each ones individual thoughts, that if a conjoined twin with 2 heads stood in front of the mirror, that if they wanted different things they would each see it. But this is all entirely speculation.
Personally I think it just makess more sense that Dumbledore simply had more safeguards than he told Harry (and via Harry told us the reader). Dumbledore wouldn't have risked the stone being summoned via the mirror on simply finding it but not using it, that could be part of it, but I doubt that was all there was too it. to me it makes sense that dumbledore would have made other qualifying requirments that he didnt bother explaining. To me that makes more sense.
Even if the mirror did qualify quirrell and voldemort as 1 person or that it considered quirrell wanting to give the stone to a person whom he knows wants to use it I don''t think is quite enough. Because that same exact thought process could be applied to Harry only with 1 more step removed. Harry wanted to find the stone to keep it from Voldemort. if you add 1 sentence onto that, "once he has kept it from voldemort he will give it to dumbledore" which we all know Harry would immediately do. Even if he didnt pass out down there and walked out victorious with the stone the first thing he would have done was hand the stone to Dumbledore, that is garunteed. and by extension, we know that Harry knows that Flammel would use the stone to remain alive. The first thing Harry mentions once Dumbledore tells him the stone will be destoryed, is "what about your friend Nicolas Flammel". Harry knows that if he had found where the stone was hidden, and was able to keep it from Voldemort, that he would give it to Dumbledore who would give it to Flammel who would use it again.
I don't think that one step in reasoning is enough for the mirror to determine Harry worthy and Quirrell not worthy, unless there is other criteria that isn't explained to us, but left to our imaginations.
What if it is as simple as Dumbledore's explanation to Harry. Dumbledore wanted to hide to dune in the mirror more than any desire to use it, in fact, at that moment he wanted to protect the stone more than anything, so when Dumbledore puts it in his pocket, it disappears into the mirror. It could be that simple.
i'm super curious about one thing, from the books that doesn't show up in the movies, its the mention of a wand older then the elder wand and its merlin's. he gets mentioned, by way of his beard in at least two of the movies, one of them is the chamber of secrets and the other is the one after prisoner of azkaban.
no merlin wand mentioned in the books my friend
It would be fun to see this play out in the secrets of Dumbledore. With the whole mirrorverse idea in play in the trailer
I don’t think even jk rowling had this answer, and thats why she never revealed, so this theory may just be the most well crafted explanation we ever see
This uniqueness about Harry is exactly why I think Neville would not have gotten as far if he became the chosen one. Neville is awesome but he's not Harry. For most of the series, Harry saved the day without even knowing what he had to do, Dumbledore rarely ever told Harry anything and yet he always saved the day with help of course, but his unique instincts were his greatest asset, plus Hermione she was the real hero. But his instincts and humbled sense of self, made him the ideal candidate to be the chosen one.
What are you supposed to say to get a viral comment when you haven't watched the vid yet
Hard to say!
As soon as you mentioned "mirror verse" it reminded me of when you guys talked about the Secrets of Dumbledore trailer in a different video. Such a cool theory!
I am not the 1st comment or the 10th. But here I am 🙏
I never thought Harry killed Quirrell. I always thought Quirrell was significantly injured but could have healed if it wasn't for Voldemort. Voldemort spent about a year leaching of him. When he was injured enough that he would have been captured, he left Quirrell's body. In doing so, he killed Quirrell by taking what little energy he had left.
The paradox is broken because the part of the dark lord inside him wants it, thats why he sees it in the mirror. But since he doesn't want it he can take it.
I don’t think the reason Harry sees the stone in the mirror at all is because the part of Voldemort’s soul inside him wants it, but instead because Harry himself wanted it in order to protect it! (but still not use it) That’s why he went looking for it in the first place.
this is absolutly my favorite theory, period
it does not conflict with other knowledge, it explains 2 things, together, in a way that not only fits character but expands him in a reliable way
amazing
What if the deluminator is actually just a micro version of the mirrors magic but Dumbledore tells everyone its only for putting out light to avoid anyone finding out just how powerful of an artifact he created and rons use was just a hint towards its true abilities
my idea is much more simple - Dumbledore just vanished the stone, so it became non-being. The Mirror of Erised showed the deepest desire of Quirrel/Voldmort - to get the stone to use it, so they saw just that. At that moment, Harry's deepest desire was to prevent Quirrel/voldemort from getting the stone, he wanted to get it to protect it, and that is why he got it. It all could have even been a decoy - to make this magical obsticle course with the mirror of erised as the final part, to make Voldemort feel like that is where the stone is hidden, while actually the stone was still in, say, Dumbledore's pocket ;) To be summoned through the mirror of erised, If the looker proved himself worthy...
I just noticed, that the mirror is kind of an opposite Boggart. The Boggart shows you your biggest fear (but its not real), the Mirror your biggest desire (but its not real). Why did I never notice that?
Honestly this feels like the most legit theory you've ever done. Especially the bits about exactly what the deluminator was meant to be.
I always think of the inside of the Mirror like the inside of the Magic Mirror. Like in Land of Stories you can only see darkness until you get to another mirror.
This is a great theory, genuinely really well thought out......but how did he get OUT of the mirror? There would be no reflection in the real world to anchor to.
"The people who would need to say his name, are all dead."
Would Aberforth not count here? __That would be my brother__
If Dumbledore’s desire when looking at the mirror was to find a place to hide the philosopher stone, wouldn’t that mean if shouldn’t be able to use the mirror itself to hide the stone since he would be using, not only finding, what the mirror is showing him? Harry finds the stone precisely because he doesn’t want to use it, but Dumbledore wants to use the ‘nonbeing’ to hide the stone.
Also, if Harry wouldn’t have got out of bed trying to stop Voldemort that night, Quirrel would never have found the stone in the first place, so him going after Voldy almost gives him the stone (yikes)
Maybe he put the stone in the mirror by giving the stone to his reflection? Or maybe Dumbledore had the stone in his pocket and his reflection took the stone out of his pocket in the reverse of how Harry got the stone.
I think, this is honestly the best explanation of how it could have been put, into the mirror.
Now that you brought up the plot point of the mirror of erised, I can very well imagine that the mysterious veil in the department of secrets is the thing that connects items to the mirror. That way the mirror knows how Harry's family looks. And it works with Dumbledoor's explanation at the end of the book.
Harry also never looked into the mirror again after book one as far as I know so there could have been the chance that he could have seen Sirius with the rest of the Potter family (+ Lily's parents) after his death in book 5. But this is another story.
Does the book say the stone was in the mirror? I remember Harry asking how he got it “out” of the mirror. But it was never stated that it was in there. I always just thought that Dumbledore had it hidden and he knew Quirrell/Voldemort would not be able to use the power of the mirror to retrieve the stone so it the mirror was placed in that room as a sort of entrapment for them. Harry, however was able to use the power of the mirror and Dumbledore was very surprised and impressed.
Thank you for the” did you know” about the last chapter. Really enjoyed that.
What if it's through the veil?
It could explain seeing people who already died and Dumbledore is probably allowed to access it in the ministry
It doesn't explain stuff like Ron seeing himself as a prefect Though
Anyway I'll start watching now
As an avid fan of the books - then movies - I’m embarrassed to admit that I’ve never considered this point … however, my first impression is that the Mirror is another Dumbledore creation, so he inherently knew how it worked … per sentiment of other replies … problem solved. Or … perhaps Dumbledor learnt more details on how the Room of Requirement works and so you must walk passed the mirror 3 times while thinking about the object you want to place into the mirror. Granted, I did enjoy your explanation!
I really like this theory. It has a grace to it. And shows how much faith Dumbledore had in Harry. Of course, he risks it all by not telling him anything, but that's a different video.
I believe that the mirror is similar to the one that Sirius fell through. that is why harry can see his parents the other side is the world of death . Harry being the master of death was able to retrieve it . he gave it via throwing the stone through the mirror in the ministry of magic . in this way it would act similar also to the vanishing cabinets .
The fact that Dumbeldor can create artifacts on par with all the ancient ones we encounter that awe us and that he can interact with existing ones on a level possibly never achieved by anyone other than their creators blows my mind. The book makes him seem rather mundane in how he interacts with Harry and the crew, it makes it feel normal to have someone like him around, but he is incredibly unique. In a century, he would be not only the stuff of legends but the stuff of myths.