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Lol I understand that this was uploaded a week ago, but this take is like way older bruh, 😂😂 but at the end of the day Kobe Bryant was incredible, also all this ranking, who is the best, who is better then who is some nonsense, it's all opinionated, don't nobody have the authority of this, these are pointless debates, who is better him or him, this is how these fake af scripted "debate" shows are makin there money, it's entertainment to watch ppl talk about who is a better basketball player... Really? Nba.com understands targeted marketing, let's create an all decade list for the 2010s that should spark some attention. Regardless of the "analytics" Kobe was REAL AF, and imma always take the critique of the pros and legends and the peers of the ppl who ACTUALLY balled with and/or against him, not no fake af analysts who lookin for a paycheck, not no TH-camrs who got 0 NBA Experience, not no boxing analyst who don't even think Track and field is a real sport😂😂 man FOH, These debate shows on fs1 and ESPN need a change they names to WWE
I agree with your top 10, except for LeBron. I have Rodman instead. As for anyone who wants to disagree, go ahead because I don't debate on the internet. 🙏🏾
Yo, I was watching that Lakers vs Suns Game 7 in 2006 recently; it really looked like Kobe quit in that 2nd half. I got mad watching it, he's sacrificing rings to prove a point??
2011 Kobe got swept in the second round when his team was the favorite, he didn’t get the job done. 2012 he got ran out the gym by okc, kd outplayed him significantly. 2013 Kobe carried the lakers to an 8th seed and that was probably the most impressive thing he did all decade bc LA was playing horrible that year. 2014-2016 we all know what happened. 2017-2019 he was retired. That isn’t the resume of an all decade player
Dirk has a strong case for 3rd Team. Won the 2011 chip and finals MVP and had 4 solid seasons of 20+ PPG plus other deep playoff runs. Crazy how he gets no mention
Tim Duncan was impactful until 2015, he even made the All Star team I think in that season as well. Dirk Nowitzki should be above LaMarcus Aldridge as well
Well between 2017 and the end of the decade. He had 16 separate injuries. And played 49 games between 2011 and 2014. So that's most of the decade gone.
Kobe Bryant tearing his achilles tendon had less to do with his "mutiny" over the offense and more to do with other factors, seemingly omitted from Max Kellerman and COJ144's perspectives. -Steve Nash broke his leg in the 2nd regular season game and didn't come back until the end of December, and was a shell of himself. (no point guard) His replacement Steve Blake had a torn abdominal at the same time. -Dwight Howard was still recovering from the back surgery he went through in the summer and was nowhere near what he was for the Magic before or for the Rockets after. (no frontcourt depth) - Pau Gasol was battling tendonitis in both knees, throughout the season, limiting his effectiveness. - Mike D'Antoni was the 3rd head coach that year, not the 1st. No healthy point guard to run his offense (turmoil in the front office) Kobe Bryant was the only relatively healthy player for the year, up until the tendon tear. It is possible that he took over the team, but his achilles tore as a by-product of a necessity to do what he had to do to make the playoffs. There were no real outlets. No one to defer to. Just him.
If Steve & Dwight were okay then the 2013 to 2016 Lakers would have been very different. But I do blame the Lakers front office for not getting at least one younger veteran on the team. 4 out 5 starting players if I recall correctly were 34+. They at the very least should have been supported by a younger capable bench. Which they didn't have either.
@@memcrew1 its actually A.I. fans, Lebron fans, and then Kobe fans but Kobe and Lebron are interchangeable. Lebron fans just come into full bloom every year during the trade deadline when Lebron goes to the media to tell everyone how bad his teammates are. Thats when the Lebron fans all become emotional and the "he has no help" narrative gets thrown in everyones face.
Growing up in the Kobe era I remember thinking he was the best by far up until he retired. Now that I’m older I realize it was just hype. Thank you for the insight my brotha.
Watching chronicles videos and thinking about how I used to watch nba games when I was like 10 11 and 12 is crazy. It makes me understand how big of a spell I was under watching Kobe Bryant, I remember people hyping up Kobe saying he's like Michael Jordan and how he's the best in the nba, but it felt like every single game I'm watching this dude he's making nine shots but missing fifteen of them shits, then at the end of the game takes a fadeaway over two people from the right wing extended to shoot an airball and lose the game , then walks off the court scratching his nose while his teammates look like" is it going in?? alright let's go" then the next day in school everybody is acting like he's better than LeBron because he made like 3 jumpshots in a row and got an and one 3 pointer. This shit is witchcraft man😂 it's no way in the fuck you telling me people is this dumb,(I'm joking of course they are but still)
@@jamesgill6934 That I agree on, he's an all time great player just relatively overrated. I don't like when it sways to far left or right about him, he's anywhere from 13th-7th IMO. A lot of what his fanbase say is true but so is a lot of criticism. His game is all time beautiful though.
MJ: Kobe is the only one worthy of comparison. Bird: I’m taking Kobe over Lebron if I wanna win. Magic: Kobe the best Laker ever. Shaq: Kobe the best player I ever played with (including Bron) Wade (Lebron’s best friend): Kobe is the best of my generation Dirk: Kobe is the Michael Jordan of my generation KD: MJ and Kobe are neck in neck. They are 1.a and 1.b For you to say Max has always been astute with his Kobe’s assessment shows me either your ignorance of the game or your bias against the Mamba!
Shaun King this is the third Kobe video I see u on. Why you so obsessed with the man if you don’t fuck with him? Keep writing them essays, MJ certified Kobe. I know it hurts you that all the greats give Kobe his due props!
I would have to agree with a majority of the points made in this video. I wouldn't say Kobe didn't have the IQ to utilize his teammates but I think that acumen/discernment/wherewithal is a much better term to use. I liked a lot of the young players the Lakers drafted during Kobe's declining years. From what I witnessed watching Kobe throughout his career, he challenged his teammates to be the best versions of themselves rather than hinder their abilities and special skillsets as players often are when playing alongside the self-proclaimed GOAT, "King" LeBron James. However, I will say the talent and development of Clarkson, Ingram, Nance, Randle and Russell were all stifled in a desperate money grab by the Lakers brass who at the time had no idea what the hell they were doing. It is clear given their current success in the league that playing with Kobe and his valuable mentorship had a positive affect on them. Allegedly. Peace.
All decade teams should be based on seasons that started within the decade in discussion. For example. The "2010's" decade should start at the 2010-11 season, and ends at the 2019-20 season. That being said, Kobe Bryant doesn't belong in the All-Time 2010 team.
Sterlin Jordan Hell no Kobe is far better on both ends of the floor, he has more ways to score than Harden, like shooting a midrange, going to the post, facing up, driving to the rim or hitting the 3 ball. Not only that but he was undisputedly a better defender, it’s not even close. Plus, he’s more clutch and mentally stronger than Harden, and he has 5 chips to solidify his career as an all time great where as Harden hasn’t even won one
Rob Bob Um that 1 decent year he won MIP and the 2 years after that he had MVP level seasons and in one season he won the MVP and made all defensive teams on all three years it doesn’t make sense for you to say Giannis doesn’t belong there when there are guys such as Davis, Griffin, Anthony, PG13, and CP3 on the list
Rob Bob Yeah but no disrespect to the guys I just listed but Giannis in only 3 years accomplished more than their whole career
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@@judealbert1590I did not mention those guys on the list, you did. I only mentioned how I would appraise a 10 year all NBA list and how Giannis would not appear on that list based on that methodology.
I can agree with that. As much as it hurts, those last 3 years were BRUTAL. That being said, some of these guys were barely in the league in 2010. So the bulk of their acclamation is in a short time frame. The biggest thing that hurts Kobe is the advanced metrics. This is a relatively new "science"and while I think it's a fine tool, it shouldn't knock a guy down too many pegs because of it as it's still an evolving science. From an eyeball and skill set and accolades level, Kobe is most definitely a top 10 player. I have him over Duncan personally because in the head to head playoff matchups Kobe was pretty dominate against them. He was clearly the best player in a majority of those series even when Shaq was there.
You know what I find peculiar about the “Kobe jacking up shots” narrative is that he is a career 45% shooter. For him to shoot that percentage given this narrative about his shot selection, ball hogging, missed shots, whatever you want to call it is actually very good. Especially if you factor in his final 2 years where his shooting percentage was hovering in the mid to high 30s. Then compare his career shooting % to his wing contemporaries at the time and he’s either better (AI, TMac, Gilbert, Vince Carter) or slightly behind (Ray Allen, Reggie, Wade). So, while he did shoot a lot bad shots (many of which he was capable of making or were the result of the offense breaking down late in the shot clock and teammates forcing him to shoot with two seconds left) the efficiency argument lacks this nuance at times.
Scott if he’s a career 45-46% shooter that means he’s never shot 50 and over. Which means his highest he’s ever gotten in 46% imagine all the games he’s shot 40 and lower. The man literally misses more than half his shots.
@@mahaabdul2264 Thanks for the note. I'm not a deep numbers guy. However, I did read up on eFG%; KB's is 48%. Obviously besides those considered 3pt. marksmen (Ray Allen, Reggie Miller) his percentage aligns with contemporaries, and other great past SGs. Please correct me if I'm overlooking an element of eFG% in my assumption here.
The narrative that Kobe was inefficient is inaccurate. His TS% (the best stat for measuring scoring efficiency) was above league almost every year of his prime. I think Kobe is overrated and has valid criticisms but the criticism that Kobe is inefficient is not one of them
@@kingjaydex7464 TS% takes free throw % into consuderation, so guys like Kobe and Harden suddenly seem very efficient. It's a corrupt statistic that doesn't tell a noob how good a player's shot selection from the actual field was. FG% is the best way to go still.
I couldn’t imagine kobe switching teams like these new stars prime kobe with Nash or Duncan, nowinski or iverson smh instead kobe won back to back titles almost another 3 peat with players like farmar Sasha Shannon Odom or Bynum! instead he beat the best in his conference its a big difference ppl haven’t caught up yet slow bus stay woke
Sterlin Jordan your absolutely right it was a ultimatum kobe should’ve did what Lebron did and played for the suns or spurs for 3 or 4 yrs then went back to the lakers
This is why no one likes Kobe fans? You talking like Gasol wasn’t on the team and that Bynum and Odom were some scrubs. He also had quality players like Ariza/Artest, and Phil Jackson.
@@kingjaydex7464 you trippin I let your comment marinate and it still didn’t come out right! Gasol was the 2nd best player on the roster and was he even top 5 at his position there’s a strong argument he wasn’t! old and young power forwards was killing him before durning and after Kobe. Garnett, Dirk, Bosh, Amare, Duncan Same resultswith Kobe.Most ppl didn’t even know who he was on Memphis. Put Kobe on any of those Suns team with nash and Amare or could you imagine for one sec what would’ve happen if Kobe went to any of the prime Spurs teams smh ppl would’ve been saying gasol who?
My top 10 is very close to yours.. 1.Jordan 2.Magic 3.Jabbar 4.Wilt 5.Russell 6.Bird 7.LeBron 8.Olajuwon 9.Shaq 10.Duncan. I think Wilt overall done enough to be cemented in the top 5 an his BPG would be unbelievable if they were an official stat when he played.
I think I'm the only kobe "fan" who agrees with every point you make about him. Even as a much younger man 10+ years ago, I never gravitated toward him because of his offense but because of his "I don't give a shit" attitude. He wasn't looking for a handout for much of his career or seemed to care about others who did not matter
That game Kobe tore his achilles was also one of the most rigged games in NBA history, Lakers had something like 50 free throws if I recall to the W's maybe 15-20? The league REALLY wanted the Lakers to make the playoffs what a joke..
Lol yet Kobe will cook any player in the NBA one on one lol Kobe gave 2 fucks he knew no one can guard him his biggest weakness was that he would try to do too much but everyone knows kobes the most skilled player ever.
16:30 Derrick Rose could not be in the All NBA Team for the 2010s and it hurts me to say it. He had one great season in 2010/11 and then a solid season in 2011/12 but after that he showed flashes at best. Not to mention if anyone who deserves it should be Kyrie Irving to me
Also I got Kobe #11 alltime but anywhere from 11-15 makes sense. Kobe was second fiddle to Shaq period and was not the smartest basketball player despite his inherent intelligence. Top 10 for me are MJ Kareem LeBron Russell Magic Bird Shaq Duncan Hakeem Wilt. 6-10 pretty much in any order. LeBron I feel suspect about a lot but the reason why hes so high on my list is because of his peak play which is extremely high statistically, only MJ and Shaq had better statistical peaks....and because he has had amazing longevity and did win 3 titles and 4 MVPs. I do feel some type of way about the superteam thing but I cant deny how dominant he actually was in Miami as a two way player. But I dont hate on people who have him lower. I cant really place him higher though.
I Got Tim Duncan and Shaq over Kobe and Lebron all time on my list. To me Bill Russell shouldn't even be in the top 10 because he played in weak era definitely not top five. Same with Wilt although I respect his career a bit more.
I think the reason why Kobe's on the list is because he had about three great years in the 2010s... After Kobe got hurt he definitely declined in a hurry... I think Max went to a crazy extreme... I probably would have left him off the list but that 17th season was pure 🔥... I can see why he was included
Kobe defense gets way over looked. Defense controls the game. Kobe can guard Harden and many other greats but other way around I'm not so sure of. This isn't a Kobe fan cry out just a pointing out what half of basketball is. defense.
Kobe’s defense is overrated. He’s was an elite on ball defender from 2000-2003 but it slipped after that as he was inconsistent in his effort and gambled a lot.
Lebron’s great 17th season so far low key highlights Kobe’s last great season. His 17th. LBJ is better but still... LaMarcus Aldridge is hella underrated (Duncan was done basically mid-way through the 2010’s so a technicality)
What really is the argument for Bird over LeBron? I get that he was a monster and maybe more likable, but he put up worse numbers with much worse defense for less accolades in a less competitive era (because the game wasn't nearly as popular as it is now globally). No one objectively can look at their productions and claim Bird was the superior player. He was great, definitely better in some ways, but as a whole, demonstrably worse.
Bird was a better shooter, passer, rebounder, had higher IQ, and much more clutch. And he could do all that better without the tremendous athleticism LeBron has had. I think LeBron has surpassed Bird in the all-time ranks, but I would take Bird on my all-time starting five over LeBron anyday though. LeBron is just a tremendous rim attacker and very good passer, but he needs certain types of players around him to accentuate his limited skill set. Bird works on any team, so much more versatile.
💯 COJ definitely speaks some truths in this video but if my career ends in 5 championships 2 jerseys retired and going to the hall of fame then opinions become irrelevant..!! #FACTS
@@libraalibaba Nah he had Gasol in the 2010s and on paper 2012-13 Lakers were a championship contender, injuries and age cought up to him. From the 2009-10 season to the 2012-13 season he clealry should be picked on at least the 3rd, well I have him on the third, those post achilles years were rough.
Kobe is my all-time favorite player and consider him to be as great as any player who has ever played the game--.ie there has never been a better player than Kobe to me ... But I agree that he should have been on the 3rd team at best in the 2010s... while Kobe was still at peak Kobe for 3 seasons in the 2010s-- as he was a shell of himself after he tore his Achilles. As for Tim Duncan, he was also a shell of himself in the 2010s-- so I would have LaMarcus over him ... and most definitely consider Kobe the superior player over Duncan. As for most emotional fans - that goes to Lebron fans.
Ik that he's not a Kobe hater, but these type of videos is funny asf yo😂 ik so many people wanna fight because of what he says man this shit is damn funny 💀💀 and Max speaking on Kobe is gangsta asf bro that shit is funny too 💀💀
@Mr. M Knight Wilt has the edge in single game/single season records, but lebron with end his career with all the longevity records. Both have 4 mvps, but lebron has 3 championships to wilts 2, and also 3 finals mvps to 1 (although the award didnt exist in wilts first championship). I don't see a huge argument in favour of wilt unless you place a heavy value on his stats. Both have had their fair share of losses and neither has dominated the league in a way they probably should have, but I'd say lebron overall takes the spot over wilt. But lebron definitely isn't top 5
This is the biggest knock against Kobe. And this is some real life stuff not just something I'm just spewing on TH-cam. If I was at a outdoor basketball court and we was playing pickup games and Kobe and his people walk up and his people is like..... Today is you guys lucky day. Kobe will play one pick up game with you and I will pick out the 4 lucky guys to play with Kobe. As he pick out the guys they would jump in the air and be all happy then he would pick me and I would look at him and say..... I don't want to play with that ball hog, damn you couldn't bring Larry Bird out here instead. Dawg I am so serious on everything......... GRIM.
I don’t mind the argument for keeping him off the list because I agree in some form. But as I keep saying for the Top 10 list or any list. If you’re regarded as the 2nd best player at your position and not be named a top 10 player it’s funny to me. And Shaq over Hakeem on any list will never not be hilarious. Final point, the number 0 starts the new decade 9 ends the decade (0-9, 10 numbers)
Seasons have two years in them 10-11 1st 11-12 2nd 12-13 3rd Down to 2018-19. That’s 9 seasons. The 2019-2020 season doesn’t count cause it’s on going and probably didn’t even start when he made this video.
May I know what has Kyrie Irving done to not get a mention? I would actually put him in the third team because he was integral for the Cavaliers going to 3 straight finals
I just dont see how russell can be so high. I see his amazing defensive numbers but average, and thats being nice cause big men rarely shoot under 50%, offensive numbers and just cant rank him THAT high on the list. In the context of the league he played in he shot a great field goal percentage as he shot about 47 for his career and the league average for his career was 42%, pretty insane to think how they were playing lol. Anyway great video as always peace.
It's literally way more videos with many many many NBA greats that give Kobe ther respect and credit he deserves many even your crush🤣 , but you'll search far and wide to find one opinionated video that support your disdain for Kobe. Someone who almost every NBA great support his legacy. Your are a hater simple as that, own it. Why want you just show the videos of Larry Birds highlights instead of bashing someone whos clearly greater that your chosen all time great. You putting too much energy in the hate you have for this man. You probably beat off on Larry Bird posters, man do something better with yo time than showing how great a hater you can be. As you say "you have a whole lotta feminine energy" for Bird, and against Bryant. I just give credit where credit is do I don't think that Kobe is the greatest player to ever play the game, but I will give the credit that he deserves and any other great. I think Larry Bird was a very great player and was well deserving of being in the hall of fame, but he wasn't better than Kobe. You can't get NBA players to agree with that idiocracy nor can you find stats to support it. So instead you try to over exaggerate your own personal opinion and hope by using enough big words, that your viewers will believe your some kind of expert, when you're just an over opinionated hater, with a broad vocabulary. KICK ROCKS!!!!!!
@@OMO4LIFE Emotion is a human characteristic 🤷🏾♂️, if my statement didn't envolk an emotion, you wouldn't have responded to my statement. Thanks for talking your time to read it, but I told the truth he's a hater. It's players out there that I think are overrated myself, the difference is I don't devote time to over state my disagreement he goes beyond the call of duty.
Stop crying man it’s his own all time list if you don’t agree just keep it pushing. You shouldn’t be this upset over someone’s basketball opinion. His criticisms of Kobe are valid as even Phil Jackson has stated these same flaws. The top list is stacked and you could make a legit argument for them over Kobe as players. Larry Bird in his prime was right there with Magic and he could do almost everything on the court at a high level without having the personality traits that make him a detriment to his team. The empirical data does not support Kobe as a top 10 player but you people emotionalize your love for him so much that you neglect the tangible data that he was not as good as his peers
Just because kobe play like MJ it doesn't necessarily mean he is as GOOD AND EFFICIENT as MJ there are tons of players that more efficient than KOBE. so he is overrated.
The thing is that LeBron is a top 3 player of all time. And this guy is delusional to think Bill Russell is better when he played in a era where there less talented players
@@flamingored960 Valid point. But truth of the matter is what Russell did in his time is beyond basketball. He is the greatest winner in sports, everything else is Hypothetical. 40 years from now fans will have their own opinions on today’s NBA players. To me Russell is well deserved of being top 5, not because he was a better player than most but because of what he meant to the sport. A true pioneer, an activist, a winner. He paved the way for a lot of NBA stars. Oh yeah and 11 rings. That’s gotta mean something regardless of the era.
Top 15 of all time? So who are the 14 above him? Also I love how you say “max is astute” when he agrees with you but he’s dumb when he doesn’t....lol got it
ChroniclesOfJudah 144 ok so if he’s top 15 he ain’t top 10 or you woulda said top 10.....so there’s at least 10 people you think are better than Kobe...but you’re the objective one and every other past NBA player and most analysts are wrong...lol got it
So tell me why you would take Kobe over the likes of Jordan, Jabbar, Bill Russell, Magic, Bird, LeBron, Chamberlain, Shaq, Olajuwon, Tim Duncan, Isaiah, Dr. J, Oscar Robertson, Moses Malone
Honestly, you could even argue for Tim Duncan on the All-1990s 3rd team as well behind Karl Malone and Dennis Rodman due to the championship in 1999. No other player in that trio was the best player on a championship team although Rodman was a key member of four title teams in the decade.
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Lol I understand that this was uploaded a week ago, but this take is like way older bruh, 😂😂 but at the end of the day Kobe Bryant was incredible, also all this ranking, who is the best, who is better then who is some nonsense, it's all opinionated, don't nobody have the authority of this, these are pointless debates, who is better him or him, this is how these fake af scripted "debate" shows are makin there money, it's entertainment to watch ppl talk about who is a better basketball player... Really? Nba.com understands targeted marketing, let's create an all decade list for the 2010s that should spark some attention. Regardless of the "analytics" Kobe was REAL AF, and imma always take the critique of the pros and legends and the peers of the ppl who ACTUALLY balled with and/or against him, not no fake af analysts who lookin for a paycheck, not no TH-camrs who got 0 NBA Experience, not no boxing analyst who don't even think Track and field is a real sport😂😂 man FOH, These debate shows on fs1 and ESPN need a change they names to WWE
I agree with your top 10, except for LeBron. I have Rodman instead. As for anyone who wants to disagree, go ahead because I don't debate on the internet. 🙏🏾
Yo, I was watching that Lakers vs Suns Game 7 in 2006 recently; it really looked like Kobe quit in that 2nd half. I got mad watching it, he's sacrificing rings to prove a point??
Duncan wasn't flashy. Everytime he won he was so humble about it. Must be nice to have that kind of peace in your life.
but they made clones of tim during his time in the NBA, even shaq have clones.
2011 Kobe got swept in the second round when his team was the favorite, he didn’t get the job done. 2012 he got ran out the gym by okc, kd outplayed him significantly. 2013 Kobe carried the lakers to an 8th seed and that was probably the most impressive thing he did all decade bc LA was playing horrible that year. 2014-2016 we all know what happened. 2017-2019 he was retired. That isn’t the resume of an all decade player
Facts
"He had five broken fingers on one hand and six on the other"😂😂😂😂😂
I was cryin
Loved how Max just completely ignored the fact Molly walked off.
He can tell how she just tries to hard for attention.
"she's trying to be Stphen A......but nobody cares when you're not there.." bruh....😂😂😂
Dirk has a strong case for 3rd Team. Won the 2011 chip and finals MVP and had 4 solid seasons of 20+ PPG plus other deep playoff runs. Crazy how he gets no mention
Tim Duncan was impactful until 2015, he even made the All Star team I think in that season as well. Dirk Nowitzki should be above LaMarcus Aldridge as well
2016.
It’s sad Derrick Rose was the youngest MVP in NBA history and didn’t make the list.Can we get a like for D.Rose just to show respect ✊
Well between 2017 and the end of the decade. He had 16 separate injuries. And played 49 games between 2011 and 2014. So that's most of the decade gone.
Kobe fans in the comments so hurt and emotional lmaoooooo
Kobe Bryant tearing his achilles tendon had less to do with his "mutiny" over the offense and more to do with other factors, seemingly omitted from Max Kellerman and COJ144's perspectives.
-Steve Nash broke his leg in the 2nd regular season game and didn't come back until the end of December, and was a shell of himself. (no point guard) His replacement Steve Blake had a torn abdominal at the same time.
-Dwight Howard was still recovering from the back surgery he went through in the summer and was nowhere near what he was for the Magic before or for the Rockets after. (no frontcourt depth)
- Pau Gasol was battling tendonitis in both knees, throughout the season, limiting his effectiveness.
- Mike D'Antoni was the 3rd head coach that year, not the 1st. No healthy point guard to run his offense (turmoil in the front office)
Kobe Bryant was the only relatively healthy player for the year, up until the tendon tear. It is possible that he took over the team, but his achilles tore as a by-product of a necessity to do what he had to do to make the playoffs. There were no real outlets. No one to defer to. Just him.
If Steve & Dwight were okay then the 2013 to 2016 Lakers would have been very different. But I do blame the Lakers front office for not getting at least one younger veteran on the team. 4 out 5 starting players if I recall correctly were 34+. They at the very least should have been supported by a younger capable bench. Which they didn't have either.
Exactly but when you disagree and bring facts they say you just a stan or acting like a woman lol nah these are actually facts from folks who watched
I’m a huge Kobe fan but I always knew he was more entertaining than efficient. A lot of people get lost in the sauce he played with. Great video !👍🏾
Lebron got the most emotional fan base
eddie illz nah, that would be Kobe fans hands down!
eddie illz facts! Espn started all these fake stats when Bron came in. First player w 20pts 6 assist and 8 rebounds in a game lol
I'll give you an example of Lebrons fans being delusional. some Bron fans actually thinks he could guard all five position........
....BULLSHIT!
@@memcrew1 its actually A.I. fans, Lebron fans, and then Kobe fans but Kobe and Lebron are interchangeable. Lebron fans just come into full bloom every year during the trade deadline when Lebron goes to the media to tell everyone how bad his teammates are. Thats when the Lebron fans all become emotional and the "he has no help" narrative gets thrown in everyones face.
BigBody Rico nah, it’s Kobe fans!
been waiting on these like some jordans back in the day
Darryl Christ facts lol
Kobe “The Bricklayer” Bryant
I tell ppl all the time Kobe shot his team out of a couple gms against OKC,they were killing them in the post. Then Kobe went hero ball
Kobe's 11, Dr J is 12, Moses is 14,
You're top 10 is amazing lol
Mine:
1)MJ
2)Kareem
3)Russell
4)Magic
5)Bird
6)Duncan
7)Shaq
8)Wilt
9)Lebron
10)The Dream
Growing up in the Kobe era I remember thinking he was the best by far up until he retired. Now that I’m older I realize it was just hype. Thank you for the insight my brotha.
Watching chronicles videos and thinking about how I used to watch nba games when I was like 10 11 and 12 is crazy. It makes me understand how big of a spell I was under watching Kobe Bryant, I remember people hyping up Kobe saying he's like Michael Jordan and how he's the best in the nba, but it felt like every single game I'm watching this dude he's making nine shots but missing fifteen of them shits, then at the end of the game takes a fadeaway over two people from the right wing extended to shoot an airball and lose the game , then walks off the court scratching his nose while his teammates look like" is it going in?? alright let's go" then the next day in school everybody is acting like he's better than LeBron because he made like 3 jumpshots in a row and got an and one 3 pointer. This shit is witchcraft man😂 it's no way in the fuck you telling me people is this dumb,(I'm joking of course they are but still)
@Preston F your right man, we should let people take 38 shots and only hit 14 of them and say at least they tried.
@Preston F he is an all time player just relatively overrated
@@jamesgill6934 That I agree on, he's an all time great player just relatively overrated. I don't like when it sways to far left or right about him, he's anywhere from 13th-7th IMO. A lot of what his fanbase say is true but so is a lot of criticism. His game is all time beautiful though.
MJ: Kobe is the only one worthy of comparison.
Bird: I’m taking Kobe over Lebron if I wanna win.
Magic: Kobe the best Laker ever.
Shaq: Kobe the best player I ever played with (including Bron)
Wade (Lebron’s best friend): Kobe is the best of my generation
Dirk: Kobe is the Michael Jordan of my generation
KD: MJ and Kobe are neck in neck. They are 1.a and 1.b
For you to say Max has always been astute with his Kobe’s assessment shows me either your ignorance of the game or your bias against the Mamba!
Shaun King this is the third Kobe video I see u on. Why you so obsessed with the man if you don’t fuck with him?
Keep writing them essays, MJ certified Kobe. I know it hurts you that all the greats give Kobe his due props!
Lucas michaels I guess it was coincidence that those players speaking on Kobe just happen to be all time greats! Lol
Molly built like a hexagon.
I would have to agree with a majority of the points made in this video. I wouldn't say Kobe didn't have the IQ to utilize his teammates but I think that acumen/discernment/wherewithal is a much better term to use. I liked a lot of the young players the Lakers drafted during Kobe's declining years. From what I witnessed watching Kobe throughout his career, he challenged his teammates to be the best versions of themselves rather than hinder their abilities and special skillsets as players often are when playing alongside the self-proclaimed GOAT, "King" LeBron James. However, I will say the talent and development of Clarkson, Ingram, Nance, Randle and Russell were all stifled in a desperate money grab by the Lakers brass who at the time had no idea what the hell they were doing. It is clear given their current success in the league that playing with Kobe and his valuable mentorship had a positive affect on them. Allegedly.
Peace.
All decade teams should be based on seasons that started within the decade in discussion.
For example. The "2010's" decade should start at the 2010-11 season, and ends at the 2019-20 season.
That being said, Kobe Bryant doesn't belong in the All-Time 2010 team.
Harden lacks the awareness and basketball IQ to ever become a true great
Imhymn agreed
Sterlin Jordan Hell no Kobe is far better on both ends of the floor, he has more ways to score than Harden, like shooting a midrange, going to the post, facing up, driving to the rim or hitting the 3 ball. Not only that but he was undisputedly a better defender, it’s not even close. Plus, he’s more clutch and mentally stronger than Harden, and he has 5 chips to solidify his career as an all time great where as Harden hasn’t even won one
The NBA love Kobe because he was a Entertaining basketball player in a large market...
So no goat discussions, Jordan stands alone😉
COJ has me dying just to emphasize how bad Kobe was he’d be the “starting shooting guard”on the Decades NBA worst team 😭
The hate for Kobe is strong.
Next to the word consistency in the dictionary should be Tim Duncen face
I love TD, loved watching him play and watching highlights online. Big Fundamentals. Its refreshing to watch him play
Man said kobe became the most destructive player in nba history 😂😂😂 cant hide that kobe fans
How tho
And he was one of the most historically great players in the NBA before that decade
Giannis also doesn't belong there. He has had what, 1 decent year and perhaps 2 good years. That's absurd.
Rob Bob Um that 1 decent year he won MIP and the 2 years after that he had MVP level seasons and in one season he won the MVP and made all defensive teams on all three years it doesn’t make sense for you to say Giannis doesn’t belong there when there are guys such as Davis, Griffin, Anthony, PG13, and CP3 on the list
Rob Bob Yeah but no disrespect to the guys I just listed but Giannis in only 3 years accomplished more than their whole career
@@judealbert1590I did not mention those guys on the list, you did. I only mentioned how I would appraise a 10 year all NBA list and how Giannis would not appear on that list based on that methodology.
@ thats not what its based on tho. Its based on the impact a player had in the 10 year frame
@Preston F exactly
Couldn’t agree more with this post.
I can agree with that. As much as it hurts, those last 3 years were BRUTAL. That being said, some of these guys were barely in the league in 2010. So the bulk of their acclamation is in a short time frame.
The biggest thing that hurts Kobe is the advanced metrics. This is a relatively new "science"and while I think it's a fine tool, it shouldn't knock a guy down too many pegs because of it as it's still an evolving science.
From an eyeball and skill set and accolades level, Kobe is most definitely a top 10 player. I have him over Duncan personally because in the head to head playoff matchups Kobe was pretty dominate against them. He was clearly the best player in a majority of those series even when Shaq was there.
Yah when I saw this first and I didn't see Tim Duncan just wow and Totally so sad and just so Disrespectful to him and his career.
R I p kobe Bryant
You know what I find peculiar about the “Kobe jacking up shots” narrative is that he is a career 45% shooter. For him to shoot that percentage given this narrative about his shot selection, ball hogging, missed shots, whatever you want to call it is actually very good. Especially if you factor in his final 2 years where his shooting percentage was hovering in the mid to high 30s. Then compare his career shooting % to his wing contemporaries at the time and he’s either better (AI, TMac, Gilbert, Vince Carter) or slightly behind (Ray Allen, Reggie, Wade). So, while he did shoot a lot bad shots (many of which he was capable of making or were the result of the offense breaking down late in the shot clock and teammates forcing him to shoot with two seconds left) the efficiency argument lacks this nuance at times.
Scott if he’s a career 45-46% shooter that means he’s never shot 50 and over. Which means his highest he’s ever gotten in 46% imagine all the games he’s shot 40 and lower. The man literally misses more than half his shots.
@@mahaabdul2264 Thanks for the note. I'm not a deep numbers guy. However, I did read up on eFG%; KB's is 48%. Obviously besides those considered 3pt. marksmen (Ray Allen, Reggie Miller) his percentage aligns with contemporaries, and other great past SGs. Please correct me if I'm overlooking an element of eFG% in my assumption here.
The narrative that Kobe was inefficient is inaccurate. His TS% (the best stat for measuring scoring efficiency) was above league almost every year of his prime. I think Kobe is overrated and has valid criticisms but the criticism that Kobe is inefficient is not one of them
@@kingjaydex7464 TS% takes free throw % into consuderation, so guys like Kobe and Harden suddenly seem very efficient. It's a corrupt statistic that doesn't tell a noob how good a player's shot selection from the actual field was. FG% is the best way to go still.
I couldn’t imagine kobe switching teams like these new stars prime kobe with Nash or Duncan, nowinski or iverson smh instead kobe won back to back titles almost another 3 peat with players like farmar Sasha Shannon Odom or Bynum! instead he beat the best in his conference its a big difference ppl haven’t caught up yet slow bus stay woke
Sterlin Jordan your absolutely right it was a ultimatum kobe should’ve did what Lebron did and played for the suns or spurs for 3 or 4 yrs then went back to the lakers
This is why no one likes Kobe fans? You talking like Gasol wasn’t on the team and that Bynum and Odom were some scrubs. He also had quality players like Ariza/Artest, and Phil Jackson.
@@kingjaydex7464 you trippin I let your comment marinate and it still didn’t come out right! Gasol was the 2nd best player on the roster and was he even top 5 at his position there’s a strong argument he wasn’t! old and young power forwards was killing him before durning and after Kobe. Garnett, Dirk, Bosh, Amare, Duncan Same resultswith Kobe.Most ppl didn’t even know who he was on Memphis. Put Kobe on any of those Suns team with nash and Amare or could you imagine for one sec what would’ve happen if Kobe went to any of the prime Spurs teams smh ppl would’ve been saying gasol who?
@@JamesBrown-pn1jw Gasol was an Allstar before Kobe. Kobe had the best front line in the league. He just chose not to use them.
Max is right I'm 29 and this is what I remember pass the ball kobe
To speak to Kobe’s D, at his prime he was great on the ball, but his help D was lacking.
Lamarcus Aldridge greatly devalues this list tremendously.
Chosen of the Most High so he can’t be on it but Blake can?
ABennett Blake has accomplished more than Aldridge.
Chosen of the Most High what rookie of the year? U don’t know hoop😂
@@abotto35 Blake Griffin was obviously better than Aldridge in the 2010s he was an MVP candidate in 2014 stop babbling
My top 10 is very close to yours.. 1.Jordan 2.Magic 3.Jabbar 4.Wilt 5.Russell 6.Bird 7.LeBron 8.Olajuwon 9.Shaq 10.Duncan. I think Wilt overall done enough to be cemented in the top 5 an his BPG would be unbelievable if they were an official stat when he played.
@Michael Trenier Thanks Brother, yeah that can definitely be considered.
crazy how Kobe fans blame the coach and GM like Kobe didn't run shit in LA
I think I'm the only kobe "fan" who agrees with every point you make about him. Even as a much younger man 10+ years ago, I never gravitated toward him because of his offense but because of his "I don't give a shit" attitude. He wasn't looking for a handout for much of his career or seemed to care about others who did not matter
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dirk & tim should have been on that team
That game Kobe tore his achilles was also one of the most rigged games in NBA history, Lakers had something like 50 free throws if I recall to the W's maybe 15-20? The league REALLY wanted the Lakers to make the playoffs what a joke..
2010s kobe was a liability
Molly and Ryan " Bean" Bryant are perfect examples why being a fan is bad. When your a fan reality isn't a option , fans are blinded by lust.
Lol yet Kobe will cook any player in the NBA one on one lol Kobe gave 2 fucks he knew no one can guard him his biggest weakness was that he would try to do too much but everyone knows kobes the most skilled player ever.
16:30 Derrick Rose could not be in the All NBA Team for the 2010s and it hurts me to say it. He had one great season in 2010/11 and then a solid season in 2011/12 but after that he showed flashes at best. Not to mention if anyone who deserves it should be Kyrie Irving to me
Also I got Kobe #11 alltime but anywhere from 11-15 makes sense. Kobe was second fiddle to Shaq period and was not the smartest basketball player despite his inherent intelligence.
Top 10 for me are
MJ
Kareem
LeBron
Russell
Magic
Bird
Shaq
Duncan
Hakeem
Wilt.
6-10 pretty much in any order. LeBron I feel suspect about a lot but the reason why hes so high on my list is because of his peak play which is extremely high statistically, only MJ and Shaq had better statistical peaks....and because he has had amazing longevity and did win 3 titles and 4 MVPs. I do feel some type of way about the superteam thing but I cant deny how dominant he actually was in Miami as a two way player. But I dont hate on people who have him lower. I cant really place him higher though.
I Got Tim Duncan and Shaq over Kobe and Lebron all time on my list. To me Bill Russell shouldn't even be in the top 10 because he played in weak era definitely not top five. Same with Wilt although I respect his career a bit more.
Mr Dewayne you respect a guy with 2 championships more than a guy with 11?
These are the facts
I think the reason why Kobe's on the list is because he had about three great years in the 2010s... After Kobe got hurt he definitely declined in a hurry... I think Max went to a crazy extreme... I probably would have left him off the list but that 17th season was pure 🔥... I can see why he was included
Agree on LMA bein chosen over 'The Big Fundamental' SMH
Dame shame
Where do you rank dwade all time my brother?
Kobe defense gets way over looked. Defense controls the game. Kobe can guard Harden and many other greats but other way around I'm not so sure of. This isn't a Kobe fan cry out just a pointing out what half of basketball is. defense.
Kobe’s defense is overrated. He’s was an elite on ball defender from 2000-2003 but it slipped after that as he was inconsistent in his effort and gambled a lot.
29% wow!
When it comes to Kobe Max likes to leave out complete context .....I'm not surprised at all
Does the numbers point out that kobe was playing with bums and against defenses focused on him
giannas should have mvp & dpoy in 2018-19 season, lebron should have mvp & dpoy in 2012-13 & kawhi should have mvp & dpoy in 2016-17 season
Lebron’s great 17th season so far low key highlights Kobe’s last great season. His 17th. LBJ is better but still...
LaMarcus Aldridge is hella underrated (Duncan was done basically mid-way through the 2010’s so a technicality)
Preston F right but there’s 10 years ...
I will put Hakeem olajuwon in the top five maybe six on lesser then six
What really is the argument for Bird over LeBron? I get that he was a monster and maybe more likable, but he put up worse numbers with much worse defense for less accolades in a less competitive era (because the game wasn't nearly as popular as it is now globally). No one objectively can look at their productions and claim Bird was the superior player. He was great, definitely better in some ways, but as a whole, demonstrably worse.
Bird was a better shooter, passer, rebounder, had higher IQ, and much more clutch. And he could do all that better without the tremendous athleticism LeBron has had. I think LeBron has surpassed Bird in the all-time ranks, but I would take Bird on my all-time starting five over LeBron anyday though. LeBron is just a tremendous rim attacker and very good passer, but he needs certain types of players around him to accentuate his limited skill set. Bird works on any team, so much more versatile.
Any time someone puts their top ten player list together
It’s personal preference
💯 COJ definitely speaks some truths in this video but if my career ends in 5 championships 2 jerseys retired and going to the hall of fame then opinions become irrelevant..!! #FACTS
The video is about that particular decade, not career
The All No titles 2nd team all decade team they ain’t slick
@@libraalibaba Nah he had Gasol in the 2010s and on paper 2012-13 Lakers were a championship contender, injuries and age cought up to him. From the 2009-10 season to the 2012-13 season he clealry should be picked on at least the 3rd, well I have him on the third, those post achilles years were rough.
Kobe is my all-time favorite player and consider him to be as great as any player who has ever played the game--.ie there has never been a better player than Kobe to me ... But I agree that he should have been on the 3rd team at best in the 2010s... while Kobe was still at peak Kobe for 3 seasons in the 2010s-- as he was a shell of himself after he tore his Achilles. As for Tim Duncan, he was also a shell of himself in the 2010s-- so I would have LaMarcus over him ... and most definitely consider Kobe the superior player over Duncan. As for most emotional fans - that goes to Lebron fans.
Dude got the weirdest top 10 I ever heard lmao
Na u probably was born in 99 or some shit
James Gill 2009* smh
My brother you write not only is Tim Duncan not there Tim Duncan should have been on the first team instead of James harden
Ik that he's not a Kobe hater, but these type of videos is funny asf yo😂 ik so many people wanna fight because of what he says man this shit is damn funny 💀💀 and Max speaking on Kobe is gangsta asf bro that shit is funny too 💀💀
Molly's dress, or whatever it is, looks like something that Fred Flintstone wore.
Kobe is top 5 all-time
5 RINGS FROM 2000-2010. BRO YOU ARE TOO HUNG UP ON ANALYTICS. END GOAL IS ALL THAT MATTERS.
Christopher Anderson bro the 2010 decade starts from 2010 onward. 🤣
Chosen of the Most High another Kobe idolater now that he’s gone. All hung up on emotion to hear what’s going on in the video
Im sure all these so called analyst are singing a different tune sine Kobe passed away. .... RIP KOBE 1/26/2020. Peace.
Good thing we have receipts.
Wow, so he just recently retired !!
I think they started the count from 2009/10 season until the 2018/19 season
Shaq is not better than Hakeem in my opinion, nor wilt better than lebron. But agree with your top 5
@Mr. M Knight Wilt has the edge in single game/single season records, but lebron with end his career with all the longevity records. Both have 4 mvps, but lebron has 3 championships to wilts 2, and also 3 finals mvps to 1 (although the award didnt exist in wilts first championship). I don't see a huge argument in favour of wilt unless you place a heavy value on his stats. Both have had their fair share of losses and neither has dominated the league in a way they probably should have, but I'd say lebron overall takes the spot over wilt. But lebron definitely isn't top 5
Prime kobe was 00-07
So we not gonna give my mans a break because of his Achilles.
This is the biggest knock against Kobe. And this is some real life stuff not just something I'm just spewing on TH-cam. If I was at a outdoor basketball court and we was playing pickup games and Kobe and his people walk up and his people is like..... Today is you guys lucky day. Kobe will play one pick up game with you and I will pick out the 4 lucky guys to play with Kobe. As he pick out the guys they would jump in the air and be all happy then he would pick me and I would look at him and say.....
I don't want to play with that ball hog, damn you couldn't bring Larry Bird out here instead.
Dawg I am so serious on everything......... GRIM.
Harden is quickly weighed, measured, and found wanting in this clip. 😂
Where is tim Duncan?
Bro you said Klay Thompson?! 😂😂😂😂 I know you never hooped my brother
I don’t mind the argument for keeping him off the list because I agree in some form. But as I keep saying for the Top 10 list or any list. If you’re regarded as the 2nd best player at your position and not be named a top 10 player it’s funny to me. And Shaq over Hakeem on any list will never not be hilarious. Final point, the number 0 starts the new decade 9 ends the decade (0-9, 10 numbers)
Seasons have two years in them
10-11 1st
11-12 2nd
12-13 3rd
Down to 2018-19. That’s 9 seasons. The 2019-2020 season doesn’t count cause it’s on going and probably didn’t even start when he made this video.
samfisher170 The people on his list all have an argument for being the best player at their respective positions not second best.
This comment section make my brain hurt 🤣🤣🤣
I'm surprised they left off Dirk
May I know what has Kyrie Irving done to not get a mention? I would actually put him in the third team because he was integral for the Cavaliers going to 3 straight finals
I got dibbs on COJ's Kobe voice.
I just dont see how russell can be so high. I see his amazing defensive numbers but average, and thats being nice cause big men rarely shoot under 50%, offensive numbers and just cant rank him THAT high on the list. In the context of the league he played in he shot a great field goal percentage as he shot about 47 for his career and the league average for his career was 42%, pretty insane to think how they were playing lol. Anyway great video as always peace.
Naw LeBron fans are the most emotional. I’m from Cleveland!
But LBJ is the most critizies player ever
The disrespect is real
It's literally way more videos with many many many NBA greats that give Kobe ther respect and credit he deserves many even your crush🤣 , but you'll search far and wide to find one opinionated video that support your disdain for Kobe. Someone who almost every NBA great support his legacy. Your are a hater simple as that, own it. Why want you just show the videos of Larry Birds highlights instead of bashing someone whos clearly greater that your chosen all time great. You putting too much energy in the hate you have for this man. You probably beat off on Larry Bird posters, man do something better with yo time than showing how great a hater you can be. As you say "you have a whole lotta feminine energy" for Bird, and against Bryant. I just give credit where credit is do I don't think that Kobe is the greatest player to ever play the game, but I will give the credit that he deserves and any other great. I think Larry Bird was a very great player and was well deserving of being in the hall of fame, but he wasn't better than Kobe. You can't get NBA players to agree with that idiocracy nor can you find stats to support it. So instead you try to over exaggerate your own personal opinion and hope by using enough big words, that your viewers will believe your some kind of expert, when you're just an over opinionated hater, with a broad vocabulary. KICK ROCKS!!!!!!
gogetta1411 typical emotional 😭 brother pads or tampons you wrote a dictionary.
@@OMO4LIFE Emotion is a human characteristic 🤷🏾♂️, if my statement didn't envolk an emotion, you wouldn't have responded to my statement. Thanks for talking your time to read it, but I told the truth he's a hater. It's players out there that I think are overrated myself, the difference is I don't devote time to over state my disagreement he goes beyond the call of duty.
@@gogetta1411 You're speaking facts man. This guy sounds like a huge hater!
Stop crying man it’s his own all time list if you don’t agree just keep it pushing. You shouldn’t be this upset over someone’s basketball opinion.
His criticisms of Kobe are valid as even Phil Jackson has stated these same flaws. The top list is stacked and you could make a legit argument for them over Kobe as players. Larry Bird in his prime was right there with Magic and he could do almost everything on the court at a high level without having the personality traits that make him a detriment to his team. The empirical data does not support Kobe as a top 10 player but you people emotionalize your love for him so much that you neglect the tangible data that he was not as good as his peers
Just because kobe play like MJ it doesn't necessarily mean he is as GOOD AND EFFICIENT as MJ there are tons of players that more efficient than KOBE. so he is overrated.
kobe got lucky he had shaq. tmac could of won 3 straight with shaq so
Rap God playing with Shaq and Phil as they coach, yes, they’d still win
Bro you cannot just end the video like that lol “peace” wtf 😂
top 15 sounds about right. not sure why that's insulting.
The thing is that LeBron is a top 3 player of all time. And this guy is delusional to think Bill Russell is better when he played in a era where there less talented players
@@flamingored960 Valid point. But truth of the matter is what Russell did in his time is beyond basketball. He is the greatest winner in sports, everything else is Hypothetical. 40 years from now fans will have their own opinions on today’s NBA players.
To me Russell is well deserved of being top 5, not because he was a better player than most but because of what he meant to the sport. A true pioneer, an activist, a winner. He paved the way for a lot of NBA stars. Oh yeah and 11 rings. That’s gotta mean something regardless of the era.
5 championships from 2000-2010 are you crazy
Top 15 of all time? So who are the 14 above him? Also I love how you say “max is astute” when he agrees with you but he’s dumb when he doesn’t....lol got it
I stated that he is top 15. I didnt state that he was number 15. Thanks for viewing the video.
ChroniclesOfJudah 144 ok so if he’s top 15 he ain’t top 10 or you woulda said top 10.....so there’s at least 10 people you think are better than Kobe...but you’re the objective one and every other past NBA player and most analysts are wrong...lol got it
@@tzcharles7713 Exactly. Thanks for viewing the video.
@@tzcharles7713 bruh shut yo hurt ass up.
So tell me why you would take Kobe over the likes of Jordan, Jabbar, Bill Russell, Magic, Bird, LeBron, Chamberlain, Shaq, Olajuwon, Tim Duncan, Isaiah, Dr. J, Oscar Robertson, Moses Malone
I would build with Karl Malone than kobe
It's quite obvious this list starts in 2009-2010.
Kobe is on the 2000s team, not on the 2010s. That is obvious!
Honestly, you could even argue for Tim Duncan on the All-1990s 3rd team as well behind Karl Malone and Dennis Rodman due to the championship in 1999. No other player in that trio was the best player on a championship team although Rodman was a key member of four title teams in the decade.
He was drafted in 97...naaaah
Thats a stretch