Great video as always, Paragon! Awesome in-depth explanation of the power figures and a great crash course on SAE vs STD dyno correction from Graham! We’re grateful for this collaborative project & we can’t wait to see some more #Lingenfelter supercharged E-Rays! 💨⚡️
Great comparison as Boost District just did a twin turbo e-ray and first passes produced a 9.7 et at over 144! Can't wait to see the supercharger e-ray times! Already times have blown away most exotics time!
Holy Moly! I always said from the start, that apart from the base trim C8 Corvette that gives the best VFM & bang for the buck. That a Supercharged E-Ray would be better than either the C8 Z06 or the upcoming C8 ZR1. It was always the POTENTIAL of the E-Ray with its electric/battery boost that Paragon Performance themselves tell us knocks out a crazy 600+ ft/lbs of torque from 2200 revs to 4500 revs. Just jet force torque and of cause All wheel drive that the C8 Z06 does not have and the C8 ZR1 is not likely to have. Ideally an Eaton based TVS-X3100 Supercharger has been modded up by Magnuson Superchargers/Lingenfelter or whoever supplied the supercharger, NOT using the age old TVS-R2650. The 3100 is said to be 17% Larger, have 30% More Airflow and be 11% More Efficient than the TVS-R2650, so best y'all start demanding it and start using them. Else what on Earth did Eaton spend all that time and money developing their improved performance supercharger for? To have it installed in one Chevy 57 at a car event 2 years ago or so, handed out to a few developers to poke around with and just stuck on a shelf. It needs using. Can't wait to see the results of this video. With details in the above written YT blurb as to what supercharger was used and the HP & torque figures, in print, as a reference. It has to be around 850+hp and 850+ ft/lbs of torque at the rear (& front!) wheels. Though it all depends what supercharger is used. Wow! the acceleration of that, and now it WOULD likely beat a C8 Z06 around the 'Lightning Lap'. It would blow one in to the weeds, as good as the C8 Z06 is. What ever C8 Corvette anyone gets, they are getting a winner. Though with a Supercharged E-Ray, they for sure have won. EDIT: A bit disappointing really, the HP & Torque figures of this Supercharged E-Ray I now notice mentioned in a Ligenfelter video posted 6 days prior to this one. Hardly a big countdown until these results were revealed 'live' by Paragon Performance really was it. It was already known beforehand. The figures revealed on a dyno graph are at: www.lingenfelter.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/4/Lingenfelter-Supercharged-C8-Corvette-E-Ray-Dyno_540x540.jpg Well, all that effort & expense, ($35k installed for just an extra 161hp and 162 ft/lbs of torque). New pistons slapped in, modded valvetrain, improved inlet porting, etc all for just 161hp and 162 ft/lbs of torque. Remember that a TVS-R2650 unit was used in the C7 ZR1 and that gave a 300hp at the crank increase on the base C7 Corvette. 455hp with a LT1 engine to 755hp and the LT5 engine. I hear the base C7 Corvette had on dyno around 400 ft/lbs of torque at the rear wheels, though with the C7 ZR1 and a TVS-R2650 supercharger & internal engine mods it pumped out a recorded 644 ft/lbs. SO it GAINED 244 ft/lbs. YET this Ligenfelter $35,000 kit effectively only gave a base C8 E-Ray a 162 ft/lbs increase on top of a LT2 engine, that in the first place gives 35hp more than a base C7 LT1 engine. (What btw the LT5 engine was based upon!) So effectively with this Eaton/Magnuson/Ligenfelter Supercharger fitted to a recorded rear/front wheel 630 ft/lbs of torque E-Ray we get just a 161hp and 162 ft/lbs of torque increase at the wheels. This on a C8 Corvettes 490hp LT2 engine, (with the battery performance in the mix! in the final figures, from 630 ft/lbs to now Supercharged 792 ft/lbs), to me that is a POOR performance increase. Just a 162 ft/lbs increase with the same TVS-R2650 based Supercharger when we know we can get a 244 ft/lbs increase on a base C7. (With similar internal engine mods as the LT5 engine and this Ligenfelter Supercharger package had). That's Ligenfelter for you, high on prices & swankiness and low on performance. Still using the old TVS-R2650 that Magnuson are getting hold of from Eaton and churning them out to Ligenfelter. Disappointing results then for me, a TVS-X3100 unit should have been demanded, modded up and fitted, there are units around, that can be used IF DEMANDED!!!!. Then we would have seen nearer the 850hp and 850 ft/lbs of dyno torque figures that a Supercharged E-Ray deserves. CUSTOMERS need to >>demand
How is a RWD ZR1 going to compete with this? If you give a RWD C8 this much torque and power on factory tires it is going to be nothing but spin city. Why would Chevy go backwards in Performance and make the ZR1 RWD after they have already shown how great AWD is in this car?
@@kaylak1275 I'd expect it will be significantly cheaper than the Zora, which will probably add a lot more expensive bits than just e-motors on the front since it's Chevy's new Halo car. Otherwise, the ZR1 will likely offer comparable track performance and higher top speed without the extra motor weight, but the Zora won't be a slouch in either of those departments.
And only a small percentage of E-Rays will have a Lingenfelter package or any other supercharger anyway, most will stay bone stock. ZR1 will spank it at higher speeds.
I’m really starting to think this is the Corvette to get. I’m a ZR1 guy and we really don’t know if they will stick a small electric on front. We’re guessing they’ll wait for the Zora but who knows maybe this is all cars from now on. But right now it’s way cheaper to get this Eray and put supercharger on it or some are doing turbos and just buy a big wing and mean looking hood and you have a car that’s insane with that AWD and don’t have to worry about rain and there is still some more HP to sneak out of this engine. I’m giving it serious thought because ZR1 is going to be impossible and will be $250-$300,000 after these illegal mark ups. Corvette is getting almost unattainable for the average man and that was the whole point of Corvette. With my income i should be able to get a ZR1 but it will be crazy high. This Eray is growing on me with the AWD and possibilities of crazy HP and way cheaper. Could even do engine swap or have completely built. Hmmm 🤔
It’s an interesting platform for sure. After the cars upcoming visit to the Corvette Bash at the National Corvette Museum we’ll get some good road miles in. Visit a 1/4 mile track. 2024 ECU programing is different than 2023 and prior. Add on top of that this is an independent AWD electric front and it’s different. It’s going to take a few tweaks to dial her in. First ones built also mean first ones programmed. Get it right and it will be very quick and a great daily driver. Rain, who cares AWR.
That’s a super weak supercharge! Don’t even make 600whp need to change the pulley fast an get a better tuner! That should make 800whp easy..& with that you talking 1,000hp there’s your Zora! Maybe that’s why they not giving it the Beans
Can the supercharger make more, yes. Can it do it without upgrading the fuel system, transmission/clutch and so forth, no. This is a 735whp/795wtq AWD daily driver, an OEM+ build. Drives like it came from the factory. Thanks for comments & interest.
To convert STD dyno numbers to SAE dynojet numbers. Take your std number, divide it by 103.3 and then multiply it by 99. It just calculates to a different DA standard. So in this case 703.67 rwhp and 759.66 rw lb-ft of torque on a SAE correction factor.
Loving the paint matched side louvers covers. Like I thought, it looks absolutely amazing that way. fuck the carbon outline on the louvers. Corvette looking better than a Ferrari!
I have a feeling this car is going to be outperforming its peak horsepower number with all that torque. 700-792 ft lbs from 2000 to 5500 good lord. I'm honestly pretty shocked that peak torque is up 241 at the wheels with the e-motor, especially since it has a different torque curve from the gas motor. Hoping to see some performance numbers from the owner soon.
It’s been a while since I’ve looked into this, but when I did, SAE correction only applied to naturally aspirated vehicles. You cannot introduce another unknown variable, such as a turbo or supercharger and still use the SAE correction factors. Is that still the case or has the formula been updated to allow for induction?
@@the_jason_factor it also depends on the setup a lot. A supercharger for example spins at a fixed rpm and makes a fixed amount of boost pressure. At sea level, around 14.3 psi and say 10 psi of boost (as an example) it will make 24.3 absolute. If you take the car to CO where the local pressure is say 12.3 psi, it will only make 22.3 in to the engine so the correction will help even out the numbers. Turbo cars can in some cases be setup to target absolute pressure so if you dyno in IA at 10 psi, you have 24.3, go to CO and tell it to make 24.3 absolute and it coud run 12 psi to make up the missing 2 psi and if the dyno is using correction, it will read higher than Iowa. The temp and humidity factors still apply to forced injection and that's part of the correction to. Most folks accept that using correction is appropriate for all cars but it’s going to be a bit less accurate from dyno to dyno than an NA car.
May I ask a favor and have you all track test this rocket, 0-60, 0-100, 1/4 mile, and of course 0-150. Maybe even some lap times at a road course, say VIR????
Great power gains. Thanks for the Dyno edumacation . lol If I were to SC it would be from a procharger or Vortec (not sure they are even making one). All the tq so early is going to batter the hell out of that DCT.
Those numbers are in the Ferrari 296 and McLaren 750S range, with 200ft lbs more torque range. I would take this car anyday of the week over both of those cars.
@@kingrabbit101 Sorry, but Y chassis C8 series cars actually are designed in tandem with race cars. Neither the Ferrari or McLaren have carbon tub chassis that even come close to being like their GTD or GTE class race cars. All C8s are far more than meets the eye. They are simply better designed regardless of material choice. The ERAY is far more car than most people understand because its not a hybrid or a EV. Its a EV motor assist car much like the Lemans racers, and is actually packing more tech than the 296.
@@thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921 man. You sound so dumb no offense. The mclaren and 296 OUR CARBON CHASSIS CARS 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️. And both have f1 teams they pull tech from. Far far farrrrr beyond anything chevy has in gte lol.
I absolutely hate the c8 corvette. It looks like total junk.... with that being said, a simple mod such as making the trim on the side intakes the same color has drastically changed the entire look of the car and it looks good.
Great video as always, Paragon! Awesome in-depth explanation of the power figures and a great crash course on SAE vs STD dyno correction from Graham! We’re grateful for this collaborative project & we can’t wait to see some more #Lingenfelter supercharged E-Rays! 💨⚡️
AWD, engine in back, electric power, AND boosted??? What a time to be alive
Only thing better would be experiencing it for ones self
*Acura NSX has entered the chat*
@@danieltanuwijaya7675 NSX always initiate new things!
Big Facts 😂😂😂
Great comparison as Boost District just did a twin turbo e-ray and first passes produced a 9.7 et at over 144! Can't wait to see the supercharger e-ray times! Already times have blown away most exotics time!
Astounding 👏
Incredible power coming out of that car!!
Congratulations this ERay will absolutely destroy exotics costing 5x as much w ease.
Stock e ray already beats most Italian super cars lol
Our man knows his shit, hes even got the reeboks and jeans for perfect chevy tuning skills
The modability of this car is outstanding!
Holy Moly! I always said from the start, that apart from the base trim C8 Corvette that gives the best VFM & bang for the buck. That a Supercharged E-Ray would be better than either the C8 Z06 or the upcoming C8 ZR1.
It was always the POTENTIAL of the E-Ray with its electric/battery boost that Paragon Performance themselves tell us knocks out a crazy 600+ ft/lbs of torque from 2200 revs to 4500 revs.
Just jet force torque and of cause All wheel drive that the C8 Z06 does not have and the C8 ZR1 is not likely to have.
Ideally an Eaton based TVS-X3100 Supercharger has been modded up by Magnuson Superchargers/Lingenfelter or whoever supplied the supercharger, NOT using the age old TVS-R2650.
The 3100 is said to be 17% Larger, have 30% More Airflow and be 11% More Efficient than the TVS-R2650, so best y'all start demanding it and start using them.
Else what on Earth did Eaton spend all that time and money developing their improved performance supercharger for? To have it installed in one Chevy 57 at a car event 2 years ago or so, handed out to a few developers to poke around with and just stuck on a shelf. It needs using.
Can't wait to see the results of this video. With details in the above written YT blurb as to what supercharger was used and the HP & torque figures, in print, as a reference.
It has to be around 850+hp and 850+ ft/lbs of torque at the rear (& front!) wheels. Though it all depends what supercharger is used.
Wow! the acceleration of that, and now it WOULD likely beat a C8 Z06 around the 'Lightning Lap'. It would blow one in to the weeds, as good as the C8 Z06 is.
What ever C8 Corvette anyone gets, they are getting a winner. Though with a Supercharged E-Ray, they for sure have won.
EDIT: A bit disappointing really, the HP & Torque figures of this Supercharged E-Ray I now notice mentioned in a Ligenfelter video posted 6 days prior to this one. Hardly a big countdown until these results were revealed 'live' by Paragon Performance really was it.
It was already known beforehand.
The figures revealed on a dyno graph are at: www.lingenfelter.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/4/Lingenfelter-Supercharged-C8-Corvette-E-Ray-Dyno_540x540.jpg
Well, all that effort & expense, ($35k installed for just an extra 161hp and 162 ft/lbs of torque).
New pistons slapped in, modded valvetrain, improved inlet porting, etc all for just 161hp and 162 ft/lbs of torque.
Remember that a TVS-R2650 unit was used in the C7 ZR1 and that gave a 300hp at the crank increase on the base C7 Corvette. 455hp with a LT1 engine to 755hp and the LT5 engine.
I hear the base C7 Corvette had on dyno around 400 ft/lbs of torque at the rear wheels, though with the C7 ZR1 and a TVS-R2650 supercharger & internal engine mods it pumped out a recorded 644 ft/lbs.
SO it GAINED 244 ft/lbs.
YET this Ligenfelter $35,000 kit effectively only gave a base C8 E-Ray a 162 ft/lbs increase on top of a LT2 engine, that in the first place gives 35hp more than a base C7 LT1 engine. (What btw the LT5 engine was based upon!)
So effectively with this Eaton/Magnuson/Ligenfelter Supercharger fitted to a recorded rear/front wheel 630 ft/lbs of torque E-Ray we get just a 161hp and 162 ft/lbs of torque increase at the wheels.
This on a C8 Corvettes 490hp LT2 engine, (with the battery performance in the mix! in the final figures, from 630 ft/lbs to now Supercharged 792 ft/lbs), to me that is a POOR performance increase.
Just a 162 ft/lbs increase with the same TVS-R2650 based Supercharger when we know we can get a 244 ft/lbs increase on a base C7.
(With similar internal engine mods as the LT5 engine and this Ligenfelter Supercharger package had).
That's Ligenfelter for you, high on prices & swankiness and low on performance.
Still using the old TVS-R2650 that Magnuson are getting hold of from Eaton and churning them out to Ligenfelter.
Disappointing results then for me, a TVS-X3100 unit should have been demanded, modded up and fitted, there are units around, that can be used IF DEMANDED!!!!.
Then we would have seen nearer the 850hp and 850 ft/lbs of dyno torque figures that a Supercharged E-Ray deserves.
CUSTOMERS need to >>demand
Wonder what it would be like semi built with forged pistons and Dodson clutch pack.
It did get forged LT4 style pistons so there is certainly room for more boost down the road. ;)
This E-Ray’s LT2 engine received our Lingenfelter x MAHLE Forged Drop-in Piston Package, CHE Trunnion Kit, as well as our Valve-Train Upgrade Lit!
@@ParagonPerformance 😯
Grahm, thanks for the detailed explanation between SAE & STD!!
You're welcome! - Graham
The results were outstanding
E ray is great as someone who lives in a place with a lot of rain and snow it’s the one corvette I would buy.
That thing looks beautiful.
WOW 🤯
How is a RWD ZR1 going to compete with this? If you give a RWD C8 this much torque and power on factory tires it is going to be nothing but spin city. Why would Chevy go backwards in Performance and make the ZR1 RWD after they have already shown how great AWD is in this car?
We’ll see when more information gets revealed on the Zr1
Money grab before the ZORA
@@kaylak1275 I'd expect it will be significantly cheaper than the Zora, which will probably add a lot more expensive bits than just e-motors on the front since it's Chevy's new Halo car. Otherwise, the ZR1 will likely offer comparable track performance and higher top speed without the extra motor weight, but the Zora won't be a slouch in either of those departments.
The Zora that's why 🤣
And only a small percentage of E-Rays will have a Lingenfelter package or any other supercharger anyway, most will stay bone stock. ZR1 will spank it at higher speeds.
I’m really starting to think this is the Corvette to get. I’m a ZR1 guy and we really don’t know if they will stick a small electric on front. We’re guessing they’ll wait for the Zora but who knows maybe this is all cars from now on. But right now it’s way cheaper to get this Eray and put supercharger on it or some are doing turbos and just buy a big wing and mean looking hood and you have a car that’s insane with that AWD and don’t have to worry about rain and there is still some more HP to sneak out of this engine. I’m giving it serious thought because ZR1 is going to be impossible and will be $250-$300,000 after these illegal mark ups. Corvette is getting almost unattainable for the average man and that was the whole point of Corvette. With my income i should be able to get a ZR1 but it will be crazy high. This Eray is growing on me with the AWD and possibilities of crazy HP and way cheaper. Could even do engine swap or have completely built. Hmmm 🤔
It’s an interesting platform for sure. After the cars upcoming visit to the Corvette Bash at the National Corvette Museum we’ll get some good road miles in. Visit a 1/4 mile track. 2024 ECU programing is different than 2023 and prior. Add on top of that this is an independent AWD electric front and it’s different. It’s going to take a few tweaks to dial her in. First ones built also mean first ones programmed. Get it right and it will be very quick and a great daily driver. Rain, who cares AWR.
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The car looks good. Curious why you didn’t put some fans on the side to blow into the scoops?
That’s a super weak supercharge! Don’t even make 600whp need to change the pulley fast an get a better tuner! That should make 800whp easy..& with that you talking 1,000hp there’s your Zora! Maybe that’s why they not giving it the Beans
Can the supercharger make more, yes. Can it do it without upgrading the fuel system, transmission/clutch and so forth, no. This is a 735whp/795wtq AWD daily driver, an OEM+ build. Drives like it came from the factory. Thanks for comments & interest.
To convert STD dyno numbers to SAE dynojet numbers. Take your std number, divide it by 103.3 and then multiply it by 99.
It just calculates to a different DA standard.
So in this case 703.67 rwhp and 759.66 rw lb-ft of torque on a SAE correction factor.
Yup. SAE is the correct format to use. Awesome to see that the Eray can be supercharged already and it works. Lets see those ETs!
Why are the side mirrors off?
cars in the middle of cosmetic changes to go along with performance upgrades… good eye.
Loving the paint matched side louvers covers. Like I thought, it looks absolutely amazing that way. fuck the carbon outline on the louvers. Corvette looking better than a Ferrari!
Learned some new things about the C8, nice review guys. This was cool to watch!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Love to see the Vette on top again baby yeah rock & roll 😎
Thanks for the info. Very educational. 😊
Now it’s time to put a small pulley, meth injection cams, cold intake a a high flow cat and get around 900-1000whp depending on your timing
What happened to the mirrors?
Drag reduction for the dyno, makes more power ;)
Honest answer, they we're getting painted.
That's insane. Well done
Wonder what this will run with the blower. Boost District just ran a 9.7 with sbe twin turbo kit. Do you guys plan on running it?
We do plan to shortly. The car goes to NCM Bash next week.
Can’t wait!!!
You know you can get a thousand horsepower of an engine
I have a feeling this car is going to be outperforming its peak horsepower number with all that torque. 700-792 ft lbs from 2000 to 5500 good lord. I'm honestly pretty shocked that peak torque is up 241 at the wheels with the e-motor, especially since it has a different torque curve from the gas motor. Hoping to see some performance numbers from the owner soon.
Corvette > Italian
It’s been a while since I’ve looked into this, but when I did, SAE correction only applied to naturally aspirated vehicles. You cannot introduce another unknown variable, such as a turbo or supercharger and still use the SAE correction factors. Is that still the case or has the formula been updated to allow for induction?
@@the_jason_factor it also depends on the setup a lot. A supercharger for example spins at a fixed rpm and makes a fixed amount of boost pressure. At sea level, around 14.3 psi and say 10 psi of boost (as an example) it will make 24.3 absolute. If you take the car to CO where the local pressure is say 12.3 psi, it will only make 22.3 in to the engine so the correction will help even out the numbers.
Turbo cars can in some cases be setup to target absolute pressure so if you dyno in IA at 10 psi, you have 24.3, go to CO and tell it to make 24.3 absolute and it coud run 12 psi to make up the missing 2 psi and if the dyno is using correction, it will read higher than Iowa.
The temp and humidity factors still apply to forced injection and that's part of the correction to.
Most folks accept that using correction is appropriate for all cars but it’s going to be a bit less accurate from dyno to dyno than an NA car.
@@ParagonPerformance Awesome info. Thanks. 👍
boosted e-rays already???
Motor… singular
insane
Very much so!
Wait so didn’t show the motor the whole video?
See 0:21
Nice, any 60-130mph #'s?
Not at this time.
May I ask a favor and have you all track test this rocket, 0-60, 0-100, 1/4 mile, and of course 0-150. Maybe even some lap times at a road course, say VIR????
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This looks far better with body color side accents.
Great power gains. Thanks for the Dyno edumacation . lol If I were to SC it would be from a procharger or Vortec (not sure they are even making one). All the tq so early is going to batter the hell out of that DCT.
Love both cars but id take Bentley because it stands out more inside and out.
I wonder how the front wheels keep up with the back wheels having less horsepower and why does it not slow the car down at high speeds
Uploading on the go at the airport?😅
Uploaded ON the airplane ✈️
@@ParagonPerformance👍🏻🤙🏻
can you put this setup on a stock engine?
Yup, this installs on a stock Lt2 engine! Gets upgrades pistons in the kit.
How much does it weigh?
We will weight it when it’s back from detail and PPF!
Why does the a Pilar change from grey to red in this video?
In between testing, filming etc.. our team was wrapping the roof parts on the car for the client.
during testing/Dyno we are also playing with color roof wraps
No 0-60 data?
Not at this time
Fucking yes
Those numbers are in the Ferrari 296 and McLaren 750S range, with 200ft lbs more torque range. I would take this car anyday of the week over both of those cars.
You’re crazy if you would take a eray supercharged over a 296 or 750s. I love chevys and vettes but come on
@@kingrabbit101 Price.......
@@kingrabbit101 Sorry, but Y chassis C8 series cars actually are designed in tandem with race cars. Neither the Ferrari or McLaren have carbon tub chassis that even come close to being like their GTD or GTE class race cars. All C8s are far more than meets the eye. They are simply better designed regardless of material choice. The ERAY is far more car than most people understand because its not a hybrid or a EV. Its a EV motor assist car much like the Lemans racers, and is actually packing more tech than the 296.
@@thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921 man. You sound so dumb no offense. The mclaren and 296 OUR CARBON CHASSIS CARS 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️. And both have f1 teams they pull tech from. Far far farrrrr beyond anything chevy has in gte lol.
@@kingrabbit101NO SHIT RIGHT😂😂 FRIGGING NUMB NUTS DONE LOST HIS GOT DAMN MIND. LMAO. FR FR
electric cars 👎👎👎
It's a hybrid.
Crazy how little torque the e ray has for an electric car. Literally less than 1/15th what a cyber truck or Tesla plaid makes.
It’s not full electric… it’s a hybrid
I absolutely hate the c8 corvette. It looks like total junk.... with that being said, a simple mod such as making the trim on the side intakes the same color has drastically changed the entire look of the car and it looks good.