That's an idiotic comment. 5 years ago no one would have considered UNLV a prospect for Big 12 or any P5 conference. They are considered now because they've had recent success. Same reason the Whack Pac wanted Fresneck, Boise, and SDSU, they've had "recent success". All of those teams have been horrible for a period over the last 25 years with the exception of Boise. If Bronco turns UNM around and they go undefeated and are packing 45K per game at University Stadium, I guarantee they'll be considered for P4 inclusion. This goes for any current MWC, AAC, or Whack Pac school.
@@ABQREDorGREEN No one in the Mountain west is being considered any P5 Conference buddy. Why do you think there is no exit fee, because the MWC knows the chances of an invite or almost 0% 😭
@@sweetbeanstv Don't be dumb. Any G5 school can be considered by P4 Conferences if they think they can make money off it. Simple stuff, same reason why trash teams like OSU and WSU weren't taken and thrown to the wayside.
@@ABQREDorGREEN of course you are right. I will keep my eyes out for that New Mexico invite to the BIG10. I am sure it’s right around the corner. And if Wyoming isn’t in the SEC by 2026 it is a travesty of justice. Thanks for talking sense into me.
@@ABQREDorGREEN Wrong on Fresno & SDSU as well. USU has had it moments as well. All of them above what is left of the MWC, except for Air Force. Pthe PAC grabbed the schools with the most media value and brand value with BSU, FSU, & SDSU (in that order) except for AF.
The difference I see between the MW poaching penalty and the PAC liquidation clauses are the poaching penalty was purely punitive against the PAC and in addition to exit fees, whereas the PAC liquidation fee is in leu of exit fees. Another difference that the PAC would argue is a poaching fee has nothing to do with a scheduling agreement, but a liquidation clause is relevant to this agreement. The liquidation clause is just protection against teams bailing and leaving teams in a conference that has a '26 deadline to have 8 members or dissolve. I'm not sure where the specific numbers came from, but it could be tied to the value of the PAC "war chest" money that comes in '26. I don't know how much money comes in over time, but I know that war chest isn't the lump sum that some people think it is.
@@TheBigMountainPodcast Sure but again the PAC would argue the poaching penalty was punitive in both a uniquely excessive and unrelated way whereas the liquidation clause is protection against cold feet causing a sudden catastrophe. Personally i see a pretty big difference even if the definition of punitive can be argued in both cases.
@@therealdarrell282 yeah I don’t know either but that wasn’t really the point. The point is they’ve been looked at by P4 conferences in the past and potentially could be again.
@@nickparadies350 You know because it would be an easy win. They can sell that fluff about playing AFA being an honor. AFA would be an easy win in football and especially basketball if they were in the Big 12.
Looking at the agreement and comparing the pac whatever and the mountain west. We now have physical proof that a PAC whatever college degree is not very valuable. Anyone looking at signing this are truly idiotic. After Nevada beat Oregon state, what higher level of football is there. Nothing worth this new pac whatever contract. I am more convinced that the two should have just joined the mountain west. Ego over common sense, this is the most stupid issue I have seen in some time. The mountain west is in a much better and stronger position, period
Congrats to Nevada, that game nearly broke me. But still OSU hold more media & brand value than any of the schools in the MWC, BSU might be right around that same range. One game doesn't change that. I wish they would have merged, but they didn't. I wasn't in the office when it was decided. The truth of the matter is that BSU, FSU & SDSU got tired of making the same amount when the remaining schools were not pulling their weight in pulling media value and putting money into athletics. CSU has as has AF, but i think AF wasn't chosen for other reasons. The MWC Football champions since 1999: BSU-5, FSU-4, BYU-4, Utah-4, SDSU-3, CSU-3, TCU-4, USU-1, SJSU-1 (COVID 2020). AF, Hawaii, Nevada, UNLV, NMU, Wyoming all at zero. So I think the PAC chose wisely. USU had the opportunity to join & jumped on the bandwagon & stated they would pay any & all of their own fees& penalties. They saw the chance for a larger media deal & took it.
Oregon State would have rolled through the MWC in 2022 and 2023. I wonder what happened after that? Oh, right...they got left behind, their coach and staff and returning players all jumped ship. On top of that, the defense has some huge number of players out due to injury right now. Not making excuses, Nevada won the game and that's a fact. But this isn't the Oregon State that was before, though it probably won't be like this for long in part because of the reasons stated by @jeh58
The AAC is getting 9M even after losing their 4 best teams (SMU, BYU, UCF, and Cincinnati). Surely the Pac with two P5 teams and Boise State will get more.
Not really. They will get another team or two.They have schools wanting to join, they just down the line of who they would prefer. Either way, they will have a much higher media deal (per school) than the MWC.
@@jeh58 But they have to take the MWC to court not to pay $55M to the MWC. They will get a media deal similar to the MWC, especially if they have to settle for Sac State or NMSU to get to 8. they could have just merged with the MWC and kept the $55M . Just craziness
@@lukefletcher4689 The PAC12 will have a much larger media deal as the 7 schools (plus Gonzaga) have a much larger media viewership than the schools that remain in the MWC. BSU, FSU, SDSU, & CSU have higher viewership than the schools that remain in the MWC.
Watching Colorado Hawaii on the CW over the air. PAC12 baby!
The difference is that the MWC has only one A4 potential school and that is UNLV, so in essence it means nothing.
That's an idiotic comment. 5 years ago no one would have considered UNLV a prospect for Big 12 or any P5 conference. They are considered now because they've had recent success. Same reason the Whack Pac wanted Fresneck, Boise, and SDSU, they've had "recent success". All of those teams have been horrible for a period over the last 25 years with the exception of Boise. If Bronco turns UNM around and they go undefeated and are packing 45K per game at University Stadium, I guarantee they'll be considered for P4 inclusion. This goes for any current MWC, AAC, or Whack Pac school.
@@ABQREDorGREEN No one in the Mountain west is being considered any P5 Conference buddy. Why do you think there is no exit fee, because the MWC knows the chances of an invite or almost 0% 😭
@@sweetbeanstv Don't be dumb. Any G5 school can be considered by P4 Conferences if they think they can make money off it. Simple stuff, same reason why trash teams like OSU and WSU weren't taken and thrown to the wayside.
@@ABQREDorGREEN of course you are right. I will keep my eyes out for that New Mexico invite to the BIG10. I am sure it’s right around the corner. And if Wyoming isn’t in the SEC by 2026 it is a travesty of justice. Thanks for talking sense into me.
@@ABQREDorGREEN Wrong on Fresno & SDSU as well. USU has had it moments as well. All of them above what is left of the MWC, except for Air Force. Pthe PAC grabbed the schools with the most media value and brand value with BSU, FSU, & SDSU (in that order) except for AF.
The difference I see between the MW poaching penalty and the PAC liquidation clauses are the poaching penalty was purely punitive against the PAC and in addition to exit fees, whereas the PAC liquidation fee is in leu of exit fees. Another difference that the PAC would argue is a poaching fee has nothing to do with a scheduling agreement, but a liquidation clause is relevant to this agreement.
The liquidation clause is just protection against teams bailing and leaving teams in a conference that has a '26 deadline to have 8 members or dissolve. I'm not sure where the specific numbers came from, but it could be tied to the value of the PAC "war chest" money that comes in '26. I don't know how much money comes in over time, but I know that war chest isn't the lump sum that some people think it is.
They are all punitive.
@@TheBigMountainPodcast Sure but again the PAC would argue the poaching penalty was punitive in both a uniquely excessive and unrelated way whereas the liquidation clause is protection against cold feet causing a sudden catastrophe.
Personally i see a pretty big difference even if the definition of punitive can be argued in both cases.
Well done as usual. Thanks for the terms. It explains a lot.
Thx Terry!
Always appreciate you comments!
I was waiting on this one.
Me too.
Hope we didn’t disappoint!
My Brain hurts.....I'm so confused 😕
I’m in the same boat
None gone to the mountain west conference. Memphis is not going to the ACC or big 12.
What MW school would get an A4 invite? There are no penalties for kissing unicorns either…..
Um. Ok.
UNLV if anybody, since the Big XII has already looked into them. Air Force gets brought up occasionally.
@@nickparadies350I do not know if AFA can consistently compete in the Big 12 when it comes to football. In basketball, Kansas would roll them by 30.
@@therealdarrell282 yeah I don’t know either but that wasn’t really the point. The point is they’ve been looked at by P4 conferences in the past and potentially could be again.
@@nickparadies350 You know because it would be an easy win. They can sell that fluff about playing AFA being an honor. AFA would be an easy win in football and especially basketball if they were in the Big 12.
Looking at the agreement and comparing the pac whatever and the mountain west. We now have physical proof that a PAC whatever college degree is not very valuable. Anyone looking at signing this are truly idiotic. After Nevada beat Oregon state, what higher level of football is there. Nothing worth this new pac whatever contract. I am more convinced that the two should have just joined the mountain west. Ego over common sense, this is the most stupid issue I have seen in some time. The mountain west is in a much better and stronger position, period
Congrats to Nevada, that game nearly broke me. But still OSU hold more media & brand value than any of the schools in the MWC, BSU might be right around that same range. One game doesn't change that. I wish they would have merged, but they didn't. I wasn't in the office when it was decided. The truth of the matter is that BSU, FSU & SDSU got tired of making the same amount when the remaining schools were not pulling their weight in pulling media value and putting money into athletics. CSU has as has AF, but i think AF wasn't chosen for other reasons.
The MWC Football champions since 1999: BSU-5, FSU-4, BYU-4, Utah-4, SDSU-3, CSU-3, TCU-4, USU-1, SJSU-1 (COVID 2020). AF, Hawaii, Nevada, UNLV, NMU, Wyoming all at zero. So I think the PAC chose wisely. USU had the opportunity to join & jumped on the bandwagon & stated they would pay any & all of their own fees& penalties. They saw the chance for a larger media deal & took it.
BTW, in 1999 & 2012 the MWC had multiple champions.
Oregon State would have rolled through the MWC in 2022 and 2023. I wonder what happened after that? Oh, right...they got left behind, their coach and staff and returning players all jumped ship. On top of that, the defense has some huge number of players out due to injury right now. Not making excuses, Nevada won the game and that's a fact. But this isn't the Oregon State that was before, though it probably won't be like this for long in part because of the reasons stated by @jeh58
The MWC just lost 5 of its top 7 teams. They will be well behind the Pac, the AAC, and the Sun Belt now.
Elite cope
PAC 2 schools that are unwanted and the group of MWC schools and Gonzaga are not getting $10M per school. This is a fantasy.
Sound like a UNLV fan
Evidence? What ever they get will be much more than double to what the MWC will receive.
The AAC is getting 9M even after losing their 4 best teams (SMU, BYU, UCF, and Cincinnati). Surely the Pac with two P5 teams and Boise State will get more.
@@atgdcommish608i think you mean 3 of their best teams? BYU was independent.
PAC Leadership does not learn. Sad
In what way? Please David, elaborate.
PAC is screwed
Things aren’t looking great. But they have time.
They just need one more team. Ideally it would be Memphis. If not, they can add Texas State for less cash, and still be the top G6 conference.
Not really. They will get another team or two.They have schools wanting to join, they just down the line of who they would prefer. Either way, they will have a much higher media deal (per school) than the MWC.
@@jeh58 But they have to take the MWC to court not to pay $55M to the MWC. They will get a media deal similar to the MWC, especially if they have to settle for Sac State or NMSU to get to 8. they could have just merged with the MWC and kept the $55M . Just craziness
@@lukefletcher4689 The PAC12 will have a much larger media deal as the 7 schools (plus Gonzaga) have a much larger media viewership than the schools that remain in the MWC. BSU, FSU, SDSU, & CSU have higher viewership than the schools that remain in the MWC.