People wonder what the Diaphone sounds like out in the hall, well, here you go! Best listened to with headphones. Again, not a new video, but I guess I forgot to upload this one.
Thank you so much for doing these videos. This one is fantastic to be able to get an idea what those monsters sound like out in the hall. Goodness, the lowest notes sound like a helicopter.
Many comments complain it is not musical! Maybe not “Musical” to a limited perspective but completely theatrical when you combine the two concepts. And a performing ARTIST now has another tool. In the right hands (and creative mind to make it work) together that’s what entertainment is all about!
Even if the 64' Diaphone stop was working properly it would be next to useless as it sounds so ugly. There is really not much base frequency there below the 16' bottom C, just upper harmonics and ugly mechanical noises. Flue pipes produce much cleaner sound, I wonder what a true 64' Gravissima would sound like, but there are only a few around. My main system goes flat to about 15 Hz (PMC IB2s & Genelec 7071A), by the way and Sennheiser HD800 cans to around 5 Hz.
If someone had placed a bobcat with a concrete breaker attachment on it on that floor, i would have actually believed that it was the sound from that 😅 Interesting video, thanks for recording & uploading!
Most notes sound convincing but for several notes, the beater is either not responding quickly enough or is not beating regularly, creating odd sounds with ocassional (and extremely loud) "punches" in between the otherwise regular beats: unless this is solved, such tones have no musical value since after all, one does not want a musical instrument to sound like a machine, e.g. of the kind that drill tubes for train tunnels through rockbed
thanks a lot for another awesome video. Would it be possible to record such a scale at the top at the tops of the pipes, like the previous video? it is unreal how powerful this register is, and it must be absolutely never to repeat it alive🤩🤩
There must be a lot of resonant peaks and dips in a hall this size at those frequencies! Many hot spots and cancellations. When all chambers are working, I am hoping for a professionally made multi track recording done with professional mikes and then mixed to Dolby Atmos surround. But I'm 75 so hope I live to hear that, and still have my hearing! Maybe they will have Atmos hearing aids by then? Could you maybe do a quick monthly update of the restoration progress being made, what they are working on, when additional ranks and divisions will be playable etc?
Well once you’re far enough away, frequencies below 80Hz become omnidirectional. If you’re too close to the source, the sound can be localized. It’s why subwoofers sound better the further you’re away from them. Ask why tubas, string basses, or any other bass instrument sounds better in a larger room at a decently far distance. Low frequencies need distance to propagate. I’ve actually done experiments with my tuba on low frequency propagation. Up close, the tuba sounds loud and thin, but from a distance the lower harmonics take over and the tuba doesn’t sound as brash. Distance does bass emitters good.
Why Dolby Atmos? Stereo is all that's needed. Stereo will run and run as the standard, long after these other systems are superseded by yet another format. We have two diaphragms and a supremely powerful computing device: the ears and the brain. All those speakers merely upset the geometry of reality.
Glad you found it, I thought I'd uploaded this to YT but I guess I only put it up on Facebook. Anyway... for all the lumber it took I think it's of dubious value. The 32' Tibia in the same chamber is stunningly effective in comparison.
@@chrisnagorka5199 I'm imagining what it must have been like for the Midmer Losh builders trying that for the first time, not really knowing what it would be like.
@@chrisnagorka5199 I agree with you completely; mostly a waste of some very nice trees. And I LOVE 32s! But thanks for this; I always enjoy your videos.
Great to have a bit more info on this amazing instrument and I imagine the experience in the room is very different to watching it online. The lower notes don't sound right, (are they meant to sound like that), would they sound cleaner with higher air pressure?
@@cnagorka Very cool. I actually had a question specific to the Lewis-Golota match but I'm not sure if you're a boxing fan. Are you or are you familiar with that fight?
Got booked to be out there in September 2021. Think curator tours will be back up? I'm not sure if I will just stay there or do side trips PHY or NYC. I'll have to kind of read it at that time.
@@cnagorka I'm holding out for hope. My first ACY visit, I failed to consider the PHY train was suspended. I made it only in time for recital. The subsequent visit, I rode the train and made it in time. On subsequent visits, I decided to billet in ACY and do side trips to PHY and NYC.
The 64' WINBD stop is interesting. Sounds something like a typhoon. As far as the 64' goes it is nothing but a loose spring on and only truck. It a complete waste of money. If it was so good from the back why not play it in the back?
Interesting how that 64' low C sounds like a drum. Now most of the working sections of the organ are in those front-side chambers right? The center top chamber is the one you were crawling around in that you said is not functioning and no restoration work has been done in? The 2 rear side chambers are party functional?
Both of the front chambers are operational, but only the left main (Swell/Choir/String I/Pedal Left) has been completely restored. The right main has a lot of usable material but there are a lot of marginally functional chests in the Great and Great/Solo. Neither of the ceiling chambers has had any work done (Echo/Fanfare). Only the rear right side chamber has anything functional, which are the 100" reeds which just came back on line. The front left side chamber, which houses the Enclosed Choir, is empty as the division is being restored right now and will hopefully be playing again some time in 2022.
OK, do that again with a proper microphone :-) I'm guessing that in the room it feels like a freight-train is driving over you or something similarly immersive but all the gopro-mic pics up is a rusty lawnmower refusing to start. The human ear tends to not realy register frequencies below 15hz as a tone anymore, it becomes more about a general feeling that there is something there and this mic is not picking that up at all. Other organ channels have the same problem with the massive-impressive-boom-boom-shake-the-room=pipes, you may need something a bit more professional to give a proper impression. Me sad now :( ps: yes I'm using high-quality headphones pps: jsut saw the 64' pipe and it's oscillating column of air yesterday and i *love* that walking around the organ, it's not just impressive for it's size but it's like urban exploration inside a freaking organ. Feel free to make more creepy-crawly stuff!
Hardly a GoPro, I was using a fancy Panasonic 4K video camera, but with its built in mics...I do plan to bring up some AKGs I have next time and hook them up to the camera since it does provide phantom power.
@@cnagorka I think most "good" mics only go down to about 40hz. Also, you might want to check to frequency response of the camera audio circuitry to see if it will go down low enough to faithfully record the low fundamental. Considering the long wavelengths of the deep notes, there are probably "hot spots" and "dead spots" for each of the deep notes in the auditorium. It was interesting to be able to hear the "whoosh" of air oscillating in and out of the big lower pipes.
The sound is all there, just depends what you are playing it back on. Too much mechanical noise for my taste, it's not musical. As an organist it's very distracting.
@@cnagorka My compliments to you and the many people working to bring that wonderful instrument back to its former glory. Actually - even better with the modern control circuitry.
It's more of a perception thing when you are actually in the room with it. There's no TH-cam video that will ever do even a 32' justice. It's a largely useless stop on its own, but in the room, there is nothing quite like it.
Quite frankly make firewood out of it. Musically worthless, half of them not working, half out of pitch. Just noise, and not glorious noise at all. Besides, how about using real microphones for videos like this? Many studio omnis can go down to 5 Hz.
it's not so much how it sounds, but how it feels.
Keep sending more videos !
Thank you so much for doing these videos. This one is fantastic to be able to get an idea what those monsters sound like out in the hall. Goodness, the lowest notes sound like a helicopter.
It reminds me of that too pretty powerful
Many comments complain it is not musical! Maybe not “Musical” to a limited perspective but completely theatrical when you combine the two concepts. And a performing ARTIST now has another tool. In the right hands (and creative mind to make it work) together that’s what entertainment is all about!
This is seriously one of the most important videos on yt for me . can't thank u enough
I think we've moved beyond King of instruments -- to Emperor! What a beautiful thing.
On some notes a jackhammer would be a suitable replacement!
The lowest notes on the 64 sound like you flicked a doorstop, I love it
Imagine hearing this in my bedroom wow it would shake up the whole bedroom
Monstrous and Awesome at the same time.
This is why it’s the King of Instruments. Thank you so much for this
Imagine basketball games there where any of these sounds play when the home team scores
WHOAW!!!🤯 I think you rolled my socks down on those LOW notes!!!😳
I have visions of the lighting fittings in the pipe chambers being shaken to bits when those low notes are sounded!
Sounds like some interesting resonances with the room!
I could never imagine an organ sounding good in a stadium shaped construct
This is probably more for the feeling then for the sound, unfortunately i am not near, but otherwise I was come over to record them well
Jolly green giant ate a can of beens!
If it were a pure sine wave, I couldn't hear most of it with my system (f3 at 32Hz and f9 at 26Hz).
Even if the 64' Diaphone stop was working properly it would be next to useless as it sounds so ugly. There is really not much base frequency there below the 16' bottom C, just upper harmonics and ugly mechanical noises. Flue pipes produce much cleaner sound, I wonder what a true 64' Gravissima would sound like, but there are only a few around. My main system goes flat to about 15 Hz (PMC IB2s & Genelec 7071A), by the way and Sennheiser HD800 cans to around 5 Hz.
If someone had placed a bobcat with a concrete breaker attachment on it on that floor, i would have actually believed that it was the sound from that 😅 Interesting video, thanks for recording & uploading!
Tuned concrete hammer?
Sounds like a drumroll-tuba blowing hybrid of sorts
Thanks for this experience
Most notes sound convincing but for several notes, the beater is either not responding quickly enough or is not beating regularly, creating odd sounds with ocassional (and extremely loud) "punches" in between the otherwise regular beats: unless this is solved, such tones have no musical value since after all, one does not want a musical instrument to sound like a machine, e.g. of the kind that drill tubes for train tunnels through rockbed
thanks a lot for another awesome video. Would it be possible to record such a scale at the top at the tops of the pipes, like the previous video? it is unreal how powerful this register is, and it must be absolutely never to repeat it alive🤩🤩
Chris, amazing stuff! ‘Felt the vibrations from my iPhone with every note! Wow!
Really cool!
Thank you!
I’m watching this on my phone and I can feel it rumbling 😂
THAT WAS SO COOL!!!
I love a good helicopter to accompany the pedal section on the organ! I just do... 😆
Very Cool
There must be a lot of resonant peaks and dips in a hall this size at those frequencies! Many hot spots and cancellations.
When all chambers are working, I am hoping for a professionally made multi track recording done with professional mikes and then mixed to Dolby Atmos surround. But I'm 75 so hope I live to hear that, and still have my hearing! Maybe they will have Atmos hearing aids by then?
Could you maybe do a quick monthly update of the restoration progress being made, what they are working on, when additional ranks and divisions will be playable etc?
Probably why Richards wanted two 64's originally - one on each side of the stage.
Well once you’re far enough away, frequencies below 80Hz become omnidirectional. If you’re too close to the source, the sound can be localized. It’s why subwoofers sound better the further you’re away from them. Ask why tubas, string basses, or any other bass instrument sounds better in a larger room at a decently far distance. Low frequencies need distance to propagate.
I’ve actually done experiments with my tuba on low frequency propagation. Up close, the tuba sounds loud and thin, but from a distance the lower harmonics take over and the tuba doesn’t sound as brash. Distance does bass emitters good.
Why Dolby Atmos? Stereo is all that's needed. Stereo will run and run as the standard, long after these other systems are superseded by yet another format. We have two diaphragms and a supremely powerful computing device: the ears and the brain. All those speakers merely upset the geometry of reality.
I have never heard of a 64 foot pipe before wow it sounds so low is it rare to find a 64 foot pipe?
There are only two organs in the world that have them, this one and one in Sydney town hall in Australia.
Wow, that's quick service on getting a question answered and a demonstration! Thanks, Chris!
Glad you found it, I thought I'd uploaded this to YT but I guess I only put it up on Facebook. Anyway... for all the lumber it took I think it's of dubious value. The 32' Tibia in the same chamber is stunningly effective in comparison.
@@chrisnagorka5199 I'm imagining what it must have been like for the Midmer Losh builders trying that for the first time, not really knowing what it would be like.
@@chrisnagorka5199 I agree with you completely;
mostly a waste of some very nice trees. And I LOVE 32s!
But thanks for this; I always enjoy your videos.
I would like very much to to hear from you on the range of the 64’ hrz Vs A G1 Handbell.🤔
Great to have a bit more info on this amazing instrument and I imagine the experience in the room is very different to watching it online.
The lower notes don't sound right, (are they meant to sound like that), would they sound cleaner with higher air pressure?
Is the extrem noticeable clapper box knocking sound on the 64 intentional, or did back then no better technology exist to valve the pipe...
Not intentional...new leather facings in the beater box MIGHT help.
Glad to see a fresh (to me) video! Keep up the interesting work Mr. Nagorka.
What can we expect next?
With any luck a raft of new videos in a month or so.
@@cnagorka Is this the same venue that held many boxing shows, notably Lewis vs. Golota?
@@lewy-ku6ej Yep
@@cnagorka Very cool. I actually had a question specific to the Lewis-Golota match but I'm not sure if you're a boxing fan. Are you or are you familiar with that fight?
@@lewy-ku6ej Nope, sorry.
intresting how long the pipes need to be fully there
Had to go visit the toilet for some reason listening to this…..🎶
Some serious restorative work needed there - plus tonal regulation,
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❤️
Got booked to be out there in September 2021. Think curator tours will be back up? I'm not sure if I will just stay there or do side trips PHY or NYC. I'll have to kind of read it at that time.
Unless something really crazy happens I'm sure they'll be back open by September.
@@cnagorka I'm holding out for hope. My first ACY visit, I failed to consider the PHY train was suspended. I made it only in time for recital. The subsequent visit, I rode the train and made it in time. On subsequent visits, I decided to billet in ACY and do side trips to PHY and NYC.
The 64' WINBD stop is interesting. Sounds something like a typhoon. As far as the 64' goes it is nothing but a loose spring on and only truck. It a complete waste of money. If it was so good from the back why not play it in the back?
had no idea the largest pip organ is in lil ol' Atlantic city
Interesting how that 64' low C sounds like a drum.
Now most of the working sections of the organ are in those front-side chambers right?
The center top chamber is the one you were crawling around in that you said is not functioning and no restoration work has been done in?
The 2 rear side chambers are party functional?
Both of the front chambers are operational, but only the left main (Swell/Choir/String I/Pedal Left) has been completely restored. The right main has a lot of usable material but there are a lot of marginally functional chests in the Great and Great/Solo. Neither of the ceiling chambers has had any work done (Echo/Fanfare). Only the rear right side chamber has anything functional, which are the 100" reeds which just came back on line. The front left side chamber, which houses the Enclosed Choir, is empty as the division is being restored right now and will hopefully be playing again some time in 2022.
One of the beater boxs sounds really loud. Does it need a new reed?
Whats wrong with the D-1? It sounds like its an octave too high.
Hello there Chris!!!
The D-1 sounds broken.
...Only the largest damn pipe organ in the world!
2:00. 64'foot diaphone low c
What’s that knocking noise? It’s interfering with the pure sine wave of those frequencies.
The sound of the diaphone beater hitting the valve seat. There aren't any sine waves these diaphones, they're meant to be more reed-like.
That's not a pitch, that's a tempo.
Gosh they were soooooo low....below sea level
OH BOY...... that's some "GOOD SHIT" right there, thank you both.
Why do the low notes knock?
It's the nature of the diaphone beater hitting the valve seat- we tried everything to quiet them down and finally gave up.
@@cnagorka Thank You for the reply. I know nothing about pipe organs but think they are neat and thought it was strange.
OK, do that again with a proper microphone :-) I'm guessing that in the room it feels like a freight-train is driving over you or something similarly immersive but all the gopro-mic pics up is a rusty lawnmower refusing to start.
The human ear tends to not realy register frequencies below 15hz as a tone anymore, it becomes more about a general feeling that there is something there and this mic is not picking that up at all.
Other organ channels have the same problem with the massive-impressive-boom-boom-shake-the-room=pipes, you may need something a bit more professional to give a proper impression.
Me sad now :(
ps: yes I'm using high-quality headphones
pps: jsut saw the 64' pipe and it's oscillating column of air yesterday and i *love* that walking around the organ, it's not just impressive for it's size but it's like urban exploration inside a freaking organ. Feel free to make more creepy-crawly stuff!
Hardly a GoPro, I was using a fancy Panasonic 4K video camera, but with its built in mics...I do plan to bring up some AKGs I have next time and hook them up to the camera since it does provide phantom power.
@@cnagorka I think most "good" mics only go down to about 40hz. Also, you might want to check to frequency response of the camera audio circuitry to see if it will go down low enough to faithfully record the low fundamental.
Considering the long wavelengths of the deep notes, there are probably "hot spots" and "dead spots" for each of the deep notes in the auditorium.
It was interesting to be able to hear the "whoosh" of air oscillating in and out of the big lower pipes.
The sound is all there, just depends what you are playing it back on. Too much mechanical noise for my taste, it's not musical. As an organist it's very distracting.
We're actually working on it right now to minimize all that knocking/banging sound it makes.
@@cnagorka My compliments to you and the many people working to bring that wonderful instrument back to its former glory. Actually - even better with the modern control circuitry.
WHY? There is no musical value except to add noise to a full organ.
It's more of a perception thing when you are actually in the room with it. There's no TH-cam video that will ever do even a 32' justice. It's a largely useless stop on its own, but in the room, there is nothing quite like it.
Impressive. Isn't one of the pipes 80' long?
Nope, the longest is approximately 64' long.
not musical at ALL ... only sounds like doors and panels vibrating
the sound it makes is useless.
Quite frankly make firewood out of it. Musically worthless, half of them not working, half out of pitch. Just noise, and not glorious noise at all.
Besides, how about using real microphones for videos like this? Many studio omnis can go down to 5 Hz.
64' stops are an atrociously unmusical and expensive draft....
Did you mean - ‘64' stops are an atrociously unmusical, expensive and daft’?
@@petemoss9831 Both. 😊
'Expensive draft' - didn't Harry Goss-Custard describe one of the 32ft pedal ranks at Liverpool Anglican, in exactly the same way?!
@@iwasglad122 Yes, he did
FAILUARE. Get some better hand lotion, maybe ? Lol