Passport to: Anza Borrego - *New Ride* takes on the Oriflamme trail with MtnRoo San Diego
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**DO NOT ATTEMPT TO OFFROAD A HONDA PASSPORT (Ridgeline or Pilot) WITHOUT A SKID PLATE!!! The oil pan is completely exposed. Cover it with a skid plate, Jsport makes one for $349. The Ridgeline and Pilot skid plate is compatible with the passport.
PROTECT YOUR INVESTMENT!!!!**
(I purchased a skid plate with my own money. I do not represent Jsport in any way).
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NAVIGATION:
02:39 Chapter 1: Honda Passport Snow Testing
07:53 Chapter 2: Meeting up with the MtnRoo San Diego, DAY 1
12:15 Chapter 3: Lunch Break - Car Nerd Convo's
14:54 Chapter 4: Camp & Gear
20:22 Chapter 5: Day 2, Oriflame Canyon
31:15 Final Chapter: Escape From Oriflame!
March 6-10, 2019: I started my 5 day vacation with a snowboarding trip to Mammoth, CA. I was able to test the Honda Passport in snowy conditions, it performed exceptional. One thing I've been noticing about the passport is I no longer have to air down. Not only is the ride is so smooth with it's amplitude shocks (bi valved dampening system), but the vehicle seems to maintain grip quite well without the extra footprint from airing down.
After 3 days in the snow, I made my way over to Anza Borrego to meet up with MtnRoo Sandiego for an overnight mini overlanding trip, put together to say farewell to one of the Admins from the San Diego chapter.
The trails were more difficult due to the recent rain. The Oriflame trail received so much rain that there was a creek running through it. Watch the video to see how the 2019 Honda Passport performs on moderate offroad trails.
In case you were wondering, I still have video's of two trips (Mammoth snow camping chapter 2, and Utah) that I still haven't edited yet. I felt that since the 2019 Honda Passport is trending right now, I would get video's out about it ASAP. I promise that I will eventually create those video's! Thanks for being patient.
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Interesting facts:
-According to Car and Driver Magazine, the Honda Passport does 0-60 in 5.8 seconds.
-Jeep Renegade TrailHawk and Compass Trailhawk shares the same transmission and uses same specced axles as the Honda Passport (along with Land Rover and Jaguar). When you place the mini Jeeps in "4 Low" it simply locks the transmission in 1st gear (4.71:1). Regular Renegades and Compass's have 3.73 axles, but the trailhawk versions and the Honda Passport use 4.334 axles. This allows for a 20.4:1 crawl ratio. ***Jeeps start getting real at the Jeep Cherokee trailhawk. They get a real transfer case and real lockers!!** it's just interesting to know that you can tell someone that the Honda Passport has "4 Low" (by Mini Jeep standards).
What trail is this in Anza Borrego?
TheDgee03 there were two trails. On day one, we did “Grapevine Canyon” on day two we did “Oriflame canyon”. These trails are located on the west side of Anza Borrego, off highway 78.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I ended up seeing the caption for Oriflame Canyon. Looks pretty interesting with the little creek running thru it. It's been a few years since I've run Grapevine, Looks like the trail has changed a bit. Great video! Good times
So what about the other gears in "4 Lo"? And can't you put your Honda in 1st and keep it there?
What's the AWD ratio? Front 70/30 rear? 60/40? ALSO what's simulated "rear locker" ?
Great vid, looking for vids of the new passport off road. Your vid is the only one that is really showing its stock off road capabilities. Thanks for sacrificing your new ride to get the info out to the masses.
Thanks Lorenzo! I'm doing similar things with this Honda Passport that I did with my Forester XT, and that's showing people what these vehicles are capable of. It all started when people were unsure if a CVT equipped Forester XT could drive on sand. I took my Forester XT to the dunes to find out. Hehe!
Blown away dude. I am impressed. On to your other videos after this one. I am liking the way the shooting has been done from many angles - gives a full coverage of the place.
The best Honda Passport video I've seen. Thanks!
Fantastic episode! Oh man loved this video! That trail looked super fun, and what a great crew to hit it with.
I will say, I think the words "right" and "left" should be banished from everyone's vocabulary on the trail...I've seen so many mixups between spotters and drivers using "left" and "right." I've noticed a lot of Jeepers use "driver" and "passenger" and this seems so much safer and more intuitive for everyone involved.
The Passport looked right at home out there. Even at stock height, it inspires confidence. It seems every bit as capable as your Forester was. A bit of lift and I bet that thing will devour just about any trail. Looks very very comfortable as sleeping quarters too.
Nice work on the solo backtracking. That seemed a bit nerve-wracking but dang, the Passport got it done!
Thanks for the shoutout! I'm trying to finish editing my latest adventure over the next few days and hopefully drop the video this weekend!
Oh and I need to find that magnetic light thingy, that looks super handy!
Thanks softroadingthewest 🙏🏻! I totally agree about left and right! But I have to admit, I feel passenger and driver are too many syllabus and I really like hand signals. I feel they are more descriptive. 9:32 is the perfect example. Also, I think it’s a good idea to not blindly follow a direction that is questionable.
Questioning about going right when I felt my nose was already buried was the right thing to do 😃.
I banged out this episode rather quickly. I probably spent 3 hours on it. Much quicker than my last episode which took 16 hours. I’m going to start forcing myself to take less time deciding what footage makes the cut or not. Quicker decision making, that’s the key I guess.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Holy cow that was pretty dang nice for a 3-hour edit. Heck I'd even be happy if I could pull one together in just 16 hours. I don't know if I'm just slow or spending too much time on nitpicky details no one will notice anyway. I mean, I spent at least 3 hours last night just fiddling with the music on my current project, LOL. There was nothing at all lacking about your 3-hour edit. I need to not only come hit SoCal trails with you, I also need to just sit and watch you edit! 8^D
Very good review of the vehicle.
Great stuff. There is a dearth of good softroading video content like this. Thanks
Wow Honda just did alot of damage with this passport the other competitors better wake up fast !!! Excellent video thank you !👍😎👌
If Honda is the reason Subaru starts putting rear LSD’s in them again, then the Subaru community will be happy campers. Competition means the consumers win!
Finally a decent video of the new Honda Passport off-roading. I'm planning to buy one in a few months ( owned 2 Pilots, but want a slightly smaller SUV). I'm impressed with the Subie's, but with that lift kit, you should be good to go.
I owned a 2 inch lifted 2015 Forester XT with ++sized tires (29 inch). It would **have** completed the Oriflame trail. It just goes to show how important ground clearance and a suspension and AWD system built from ground up for softroading conditions.
The drivetrain in the Honda is awesome, and like you said, after a lift, I should be good to go 👍.
Awesome video!
Thanks for posting
You’re very welcome! Thanks for leaving a comment.
Lift that passport and you’re all set did surprisingly well for 8.1 gc and i can see why this guy might be scared to damage this thing too.. it’s brandy friggin new and to everyone saying this isn’t off-road worthy I don’t think he would make it that far in the first place if it wasn’t so take ya bullshit elsewhere this was the sexiest car in this video imo
Xela Oso thanks 🙏🏻 for the support, the crowd can be a little tough sometimes. Obstacles never look as difficult on camera, so here’s a video of a guy in a Jeep telling us you absolutely need 4 wheel drive and there are in fact some technical spots on this trail 😃: th-cam.com/video/1we62wXZjYI/w-d-xo.html
Great video can't wait to see the upcoming videos. I am definitely subscribing so I don't miss them.
Thanks for the support John Baker!
This stuff is truly amazing!! I’m addicted to watching your new Honda Passport easily hold its own out here with the smaller Subaru Forester.
It’s cool to see guys and gals out here sharing what they know about camping. A beacon light, yeti 400, rice cooker, vacuum insulated thermal cooker, giant ice cooler; genius! The bonfire trunk made by cutting the trunk in the middle was brilliant. Last but not least, I always get a kick out of seeing and comparing how folks mount their auxiliary lights and sometimes bull bars.
Dreamy thanks for the kind words! The people out in San Diego, CA always seem to have the coolest gear. They’re a big military town, lots of people that work for companies contracted with the department of defense. Their camping gear is cutting edge and hi tech. If you ever watch the TH-cam Channel “Trail Recon” the host is from San Diego and former military.
The log is called a Swedish torch/fire log they are ment to burn all night
This video was uploaded in 1080P, it appears to be taking longer than usual for the video to process to full quality. The video contains beautiful scenery and I definitely recommend to watch in full definition.
Always coming out with awesome vids!!
Thanks Arthur!
Great video and fair comparison. Can't wait to see you are lifted to hit some difficult terrain and test out its "rock-climbing" ability. :)
38 minutes and 9 seconds of awesomeness!
My only gripe is that Honda didn't think about making the Passport with the last generation Pilot's body style. IMHO I think that last gen Pilot's boxier body fits the Passport name and image better.
@@1MarkKeller The boxy 2nd gen Pilot definitely looks tough.
Man, I don't even go offloading and watched this all the way through. *I don't need another hobby, I don't need another hobby, I don't need another hobby*
Haha 🤣 thanks smallLab!!!!! YOU CAN NEVER HAVE TOO MANY HOBBIES!!!!!!!
I love this stuff and I really like seeing the Honda too! Keep it up!
Thank you Mr. Highjack!
The Radiate campfire in a tin only lasts 3-4 hours. I bought a couple of them and some soy wax flakes to add to keep them burning longer. They will be good for when I only want a fire for a short time. Awesome video and what a fun trip!
Good to know Sandra Di Giulio ! I’ll have to pick up a couple myself, or make my own out of a giant metal bucket with lid! Can’t want to test out the new gear on future trips!
@@JonDZ_Adventuring when?
Thank you for the not so gentle reminder why it’s not always a good idea to tackle obstacles head on!! Great video love the slots.
Man you went up that last section at 36:00 like it was cake!
theorangeone1 😃 the gearing and drivetrain are definitely up to the task.
Digging the new ride, can’t wait to see what your plans are for it. The rear overhang is extremely short. Looks good
Thanks Danny! Enjoy your travels, you’re one of the few people on my Instagram feed that isn’t completely centered around cars! I wish I could travel that much!
JonDZ Adventuring that’s awesome and very much appreciated! When I stop spending on traveling and start working on upgrading the Foz, I wanna come kick it at one of these meets. They look challenging, but more importantly, fun
Great video. I'm really impressed by its capabilities.
Me too! Once I get this thing lifted and get even taller tires, this will be one hell of a ride.
That passport has such a BADASS AWD syetem!!! Oh yes the tires and rims makes it look better by the way.
I’m a big fan! The 20.4:1 crawl ratio is pretty dang nice for a vehicle with no transfer case.
Right now I have a 30.0” tire, but hopefully sometime next week I’ll get my 31.6” tires.
Good video bro. Glad someone is finally testing some of the real capabilities the Passport has to offer. The VTM-4 system that HONDA has developed works phenomenally in pretty much any condition. You’re gonna have so many RELIABLE worry free fun weekends when you get that 2” lift. Looks like you have a great group of guys to go out with and have fun.
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So far, I’m really like the iVTM4 system. The 2016+ models have the ability to send wheel torque left and right now.
Tbh I just came here to watch subies in action ✌🏻
Well stay tuned! I’m back logged in making two Trips in my 2015 FXT. A snowy trip to mammoth and a trip to Utah.
24:50, shit. I hope those aren’t scratches lol
Bern on Cars thanks for “mention”! So I was super worried too! I though all those marks were official “pin stripes”, but it turns out they wipe off (whew). At 24:43 you can see “I ❤️ u” written on the side of the passenger door, proving the scratches wipe off. Haha
its a really cool looking honda - just as you can tell it might sit a bit low - kinda reminds me of a old school ford Edge.
Changes have been made. I *now* ride on 265/65R18’s (31.6 inch tire) giving me a 1-inch tire lift and I made some adjustments to my front bumper to get nearly 40 degrees of approach angle. Hopefully in a week or so I’ll have this thing lifted another 2 inches. For now, I find it quite capable. Watch it do Kramer’s Arch in Calico, CA on my Instagram.
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@@JonDZ_Adventuring Did you need to do anything to fit the 265/65/18? What did you adjust on bumper? I have a '19 Pilot and looking to make it a bit better for the beach trips and am 1" shorter to start. I am definitely getting the jsport skid plate and would love to find a better option for front tow hooks and eventually the jsport lift. Coming from an '04 Sequoia the clearance scares me. Really like the Pilot, don't miss the Sequoia gas mileage, really do miss the height, clearance and room.
Stefan Heinz in this video I’m only running 255/60R18’s. I installed 265/65R18’s two videos after this one, and then had a 2 inch lift installed in the video after that.
I ripped out the plastic wheel well lining (which was a mistake, I wish I would have kept it) and then made these following modifications:
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Kudos to the dude in the Brat!
Beast mode for sure! I love his build. That thing is literally a Frankenstein machine.
Does he have a channel/insta or anything?
Yes, his IG is @iluvdrt_oz. He doesn’t have TH-cam video’s, but he’s posted some Facebook videos on the MtnRoo Facebook page. One of them is an informational video on how to change out an axle.
Many of these MtnRoo guys bring extra axles and tie rods with them and change them out in the field in about 30 minutes. It’s pretty incredible to see.
Just started a channel. I have about 6 videos so far
Great video. I hope you got atleast 500 miles on the odometer before you start doing to much. Ideally 5,000 miles would be best. Probably a little over kill. But the initial break in, combined with the additional debris in the engine oil from break in always makes me nervous. On my new vehicle I personally change my oil at 500 miles, 1,500 miles, 3,000 miles, 5,000 miles, then every 5,000 after that. Now that is probably way over kill. But the initial break in of your engine can effect the long term life of it. Is there not a strut spacer lift for the passport yet? I bet you could have a machine shop custom make one if you had the time to take off your struts and bring it to them to make something that fits perfectly.
Jklpino, I appreciate the advice! I currently have 2.7k on the new Passport in the 3-1/2 weeks of owning it. I broke the engine in to 1000 miles rather quickly. That’s a good idea to change the engine oil sooner than recommended. I think I’ll do that 👍.
I still need to do the video about the Subaru and the recommendation to change the fluids sooner than what the dealer recommends. It was nice to hear that from you.
Ya. If I were you I’d change the oil at 3,000 miles. Then again at 5-6,000. Then at what ever the sever service maintenance intervals Honda recommends. I no on my Mitsubishi it’s actually recommended at 3,750 miles for sever duty. But in my option that is way to often. I think 5,000 miles is a good average number.
Thanks for a fantastic video!
So, it's evident that Passport is not an offroad vehicle, i.e., Out-of-the-box, but a lot many accessories are needed even before I would try mine to any offroading :). Just wondering, why Honda is not 'truthful' this time!
20 inch rims??? Hell no it’s not offroad ready out the box. Similar to a Subaru, you need to get it ready. With that said, new trucks or Jeeps with H/T tires really aren’t ready either.
I spent some coin to buy (5) 18 inch wheels and (5) A/T’s. You absolutely positively need a skid plate ($349).
clarda1 I just came back from Utah. It was wet, it rained a lot, we had a rental Jeep with H/T’s. The Jeep didn’t do as well as the Subaru’s.
I know you’ll agree. Tires make a BIG difference.
The Honda Passport has brake assist, but it’s also the only vehicle right now (well, Acura’s too) that has true torque vectoring. Power is sent to the outside rear wheel to get this thing rotated. Many car reviewers are impressed at how this system is able to get this vehicle rotated on clay like mud. The iVTM4 system is only in the bigger Honda’s (Pilot, ridgeline, Passport), this is not the same system in the CRV. The rear differential has clutch packs making a rear limited slip differential. Those clutch packs can simulate a locked rear diff.
This system has been out in the Pilot and Acura’s since 2016.
Here’s my plan: get 2 inch lift, upsize my tires to 31.6 inch (2 inch taller) and go on my adventures in the west. I won’t get everywhere, but I should get to 90% of the places I want to go. I used to drive a TRD FJ cruiser with a rear locker. I’m not going back. I hated driving that truck. Sucked on the road and sucked gasoline like nobody’s business. 15 mpg!!! Screw that!
I’ve proved with my 2015 Forester XT that you can lightly modify them, have enough capability for a level 5 Jeep trail, get 25 mpg @ 70mph and still do 0-60 in 6.2 seconds.
Another thing you might not know about the passport. According to Car and Driver, it does 0-60 in 5.8 seconds. Performance is another reason why I purchase vehicles.
I hope you didn’t take all that the wrong way, I just feel that many people aren’t familiar with these new Honda’s.
Awesome video bud! Glad to see the Passport get some wheeling time, I'd love to wheel with you in my Civic Wagon. If you get a chance to see my go check out some of my wheeling videos. I'm used to being the odd ball Honda in the wheeling group :D
Dash-n-Cars lifted Honda Civic!!!! I like the sound of that! I subscribed and will be checking out your videos. I’d love to meet up sometime, and I’m sure the Subaru family would too! How far away are you from California?
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I'm out in Arkansas actually, but the wagon and myself will be in Moab in May for a trail ride weekend. Thanks for the sub too!
Very entertaining video, thank you. Good editing, keep up the great work. I just bought a Ford Edge ST 3 months ago, so you know I won't be going anywhere near those back roads and trails, like you. I used to do that kind of stuff and after watching your video, I kinda miss it abit. Love the way you broke in your Passport ! Looking forward to seeing more vids showing all the things I can't do in my ST. Happy adventures...
theangrybuzzard I’m sure you enjoy how quick that crossover is!
I do love the ST, the power and handling might be the best in class. I will eventually post some aggressive driving videos on my channel. Can you tell me please what video and audio recording gear you use? Your camera seems to be roof mounted. Can you recommend any inside mount cameras that also have very good audio recording ? What software do you use for editing ? Would really appreciate some advice. Thank you.
@@theangrybuzzard3447 it took me a really long time before I upgraded any of my gear. Actually, I only did upgrades around Christmas time. I'm currently using a GoPro Hero 7 black and my two iphone 7's (one is a work phone, comes in handy). Whenever I go on trips I'll collaborate with the others by making a shared google photo's album for people to share all their video's and pictures. Everyone gets access to the shared footage, and we all agree that we can use each other's footage. Sometimes you will see drone footage, and that's from other people. I don't own a drone yet.
As far as inside mounts, I don't have one. I should get one, so if you find something to use, please let me know. I've gotten pretty good at holding the camera in one of my hands while I trail ride (pretty reckless, I know), so all that inside footage is hand held. I'll make sure I subscribe so I an see your ST in action. I'm a car fan, not a brand fan.
BTW, one great thing about the Hero 7 black is the built in video stabilization. You won't need a gimbal
The software I use cost me $29.99 back two years ago. It’s called “Filmora”.
Ya. The problem is, I’m already loosing 2-3mpg with these larger tires. I don’t want to loose anymore with the roof top carrier. And with the rear spar tire carrier, from what I’ve read they loose less MPG’s. I’m not concerned about the rear window being blocked cause I have a rear view camera, plus my windows are blacked out anyways. And as far as traction boards and all that other stuff. I don’t have any of that yet. And I really don’t care for the look of the roof top carriers either. And as far as my stock spare goes. Unfortunately the design of my car has it mounted under the car. Because I have a 3rd row seat. There is no room on the interior to put the spare. So In order for my to have a full sized spare it has to be externally mounted. I no it will sag the rear but I’m prepared to adjust for that. And also, I have a roof top carrier for when we go on long trips and it’s a pain to mount and dismount. I’m short and it’s annoying. I think a rear hitch mounted tire carrier would be easier for me. And I like the look of it. But I do get why you went the route you went. You carry more stuff on a everyday basis then I do. For me the rear mounted full sized spare would probably only be occasionally mounted on the vehicle. I was also thinking about a hitch mounted cargo carrier too. I occasionally have 6-7 people in my car for long road trips and there’s very little interior room for any non-essential items. So I want some versatility that can be easily added and removed. On a day to day basis I will have all non-essential items removed from my vehicle and add on what I need when I need it. The problem I keep coming back to is the rear end sag. Anything I do will make it sag. I can adjust for that but the suspension would be for the most per permanently changed and not adjustable. My thinking is that if I adjust for a rear mounted tire carrier. Then when I have it off and carry people it will probably be about right. But when I have it off and I don’t have people the height will be higher in the rear effecting my handling. Now I no some of the Subaru’s run a slightly taller lift in the rear. But I’m assuming they’re permanently adding weight to the rear that they’re taking into account for. Do you have any insite on the effects of the driving characteristics when the rear is slightly taller on the Subaru’s?
Jklpino, I hear you loud and clear! After I put A/T’s on my 2015 Forester XT I lost the 2-3 MPG’s you speak of. The faster my highway speed, the worse it is. I found that 70 mph was the sweet spot to get 25 mpg highway. I also (like you said you plan) ran a hitch basket and it worked like a charm. I got the same 25 MPG’s.
When I lifted my Subaru, I went 2 inch front and 2-1/2” rear. That leveled the vehicle out perfectly. Since I had a full size spare and gear under the cargo floor, it was permanently weight down.
People with rear tire carriers typically run overload springs (stiffer springs). For Subaru’s rallitek makes them, or some people just go with king springs. As far as handling, some people claim that the rear is stiffened enough to where they get rid of their rear sway bar for better offroad articulation while still being onroad compliant. I have no experience with such things so I can’t comment, I’m just trying to give you ideas.
Ya, my MPG went from about 31mpg at 70mph to about 27mpg. And that’s a guestamation cause I’m using the cars estimate. But my car is only rated for 29mpg on the highway. So I’m ok with 27mpg. I’m more then happy to drive slower to get better mileage. I still get 30-35mpg at 60mph so that’s fine with me. But like your saying you got the same mileage with the hitch mounted cargo carrier. That’s what I’m looking for. I think it would be rare for me to need the hitch cargo carrier and the hitch mounted spare tire at the same time. And if I did I could just put on my roof top carrier. As far as my lift, the spring Are H&R 30mm lift springs. They are supposedly 30% stiffer. I’ve seen videos of them side by side with the stock springs. The front are thicker but same length. The rear look about the same thickness but longer. So with 6-7 people in my car my rear end swates about 1/2”. The springs are 1” lift. I no for a fact 1.5” lift will fit from another guy. So I was thinking about doing the springs then adding a 1/2” spacer to the rear. I’m just hoping that won’t be to noticeable or throw off my handling to much. I seen lots of Subaru guys doing that. But like we both mentioned they are carrying a load in the rear that levels it out pretty much full time. But anyways. Thanks for your input. You answered my question about why you choose the roof top carrier and verified my info on the hitch mounted carrier. So I think I will start with a hitch 1st of all. Lol. Then I’ll probably get the hitch mount cargo carrier. Then once I convince my GF of the convenience of it, I’ll point out the rear squat and work on chipping away at her to be ok with the lift kit. I’m almost there already. I own the car but it’s her car. She drives it 98% of the time. It’s the family wagon so I have to keep the Mods mild. We have a 3yr old and one on the way. So I have to maintain some ride quality and more then anything, safety! Lots of people have mentioned the feel there handling is better with the stiffer springs even tho they’re taller. So I’m gonna use that as an excuse that it will improve the handling.
That doesn't look like the mall.
HAHAHA! The best comment so far!
I've been searching for a "Mall Rated" badge, but they all have 4x4 in it. If someone can please refer me to a badge that says "Mall Rated AWD" I'd really appreciate it!
Man those ifs/irs SUVs have take some real zig zaggy lines. Some neg offset rims, big tires, full skid plates, and long travel suspension there ya go a humvee
? LoL
But how do those mods = Humvee? I’m confused
JonDZ Adventuring A little bit tongue in cheek but a Humvee doesn’t have a solid axel like most 4x4s they have independent front and rear suspension like your vehicle
Wi Gs got it. I’m not too keen on offroading lingo.
Actually, my non-outdoor friends joke about it all the time. They call what I do “offroading”, but I tell them I just like to go “adventure”. I’ll hit the trails, but my main goal is to explore, go on hikes, and simply enjoy the outdoors.
Intresting
FWIW, if you made all these chapters their own separate video and put them in a playlist I would totally binge watch them. Chapters could be a bit longer in that case too. Just a thought.
I thought people wouldn’t want a super long video. But the first time I broke 25 minutes, the majority of my audience wanted longer videos. I hope people find it useful, but the chapters are to skip around to what they want to actually see.
This video is doing pretty good so far for being 38 minutes, haha.
JonDZ Adventuring Agreed!
11:16 Are you in sand mode using the simulated locked rear diff here? It's really cool to see that wheel in the air move little to none which tells me the system is doing its job well. The same cannot be said about the Subaru which allows more wheel slip than this when in the same scenario in my experience and as support by this video.
Yes sir! The Honda was in Sand Mode. It looks like you did your homework on Honda iVTM4.
Man.... did I tell you my CVT went out in the FXT? We both had them go out on us. I think we’re the only SJ Forester youtubers too. I think mine might be a different case though. I think I melted either my center differential or CVT while trying to get myself unstuck out of deep snow. I never got a warning light about overheating.
JonDZ Adventuring Maybe. This rings a bell! I’m less and less thrilled with the CVT Subaru’s the more I drive them. I think I’ll sell mine here at the end of this year.
I could have maintained my Forester XT better, but... it’s not my fault, the service advisors did not recommend that I change my fluids (transmission, differential, and coolant) sooner than normal, given that my Subaru was driven much harder than the average owner.
I can’t put the blame on the Subaru advisors, because that’s what they are trained to do. Ultimately, the fault falls on Subaru for advertising their vehicles in rough terrain, but not having a “severe use” maintenance schedule. Also, fixing one of these CVT’s shouldn’t cost an arm and a leg. The transmission itself is $6k, and here in America, no one really rebuilds them. They’re an expensive disposable part.
The passport came out at the perfect time for me. I didn’t purchase the passport because I needed a replacement for the Subaru. I purchased this thing because it’s like a really badass Subaru Forester. I love it!
There’s other vehicles that Are coming up. All new 2021 4runner, rumor is that there will be a hybrid option. Ford bronco 1 and 2. And that’s it..... Kia and Hyundai SUV’s have a locking center diff (pretty pointless).
So what vehicle are you looking at to replace the Forester?
Here’s a good example of mud mode with the rear differential locked 50/50 left and right.
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Awesome video! Would you happen to have a link for that magnetic camp light/beacon?
Thanks crazyjeys! But I’m so sorry, I don’t have a link. I’ll let you know when I find out.
Thanks a bunch! Continue to make these awesome videos man 👍 hope to see you out there one of these days!
We should go off roading sometime! Since your in SD! I'm in oceanside and need more dirt therapy! My running boards keep my 2017 4runner back from what it can truly do because its killing my articulation.
Hey JonDZ what is the name of the song (and the artist name) of the song that starts at 28:28????
Pick up on this - The Mini Vandals
you can download for free and use for your video's. Use the search function.
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Hello there. Where exactly was this? Anza Borrego is huge. Thank you
Makes me want to buy an Outback.
Awesome. I had a 2 inch lifted 2015 Forester XT. I’d recommend you wait until next year when the new Outback is released. They are constantly improving the CVT, so the newer the model the better.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring new Outback is probably gonna have a turbo too
Shaiyan Hossain it absolutely will! The new legacy has the Ascent engine, the FA24DIT. The new Outback will have the XT badge.
Well I bought an Outback!
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oh that cute brat subaru car with 4wd...
wish america can make again old time brat subaru cars again
They should! Subaru should really up their game and bring back a true 4x4.
If I had the money I would buy the Passport!
Garner Libato, I'm a big fan of buying vehicles second hand. I've used Carmax twice and I can vouch that their extended warranty is amazing! I bet if you wait for a year, you'll probably be able to find a used passport for 10K less.
The AWD system in the Passport is a pretty substantial leap from my 2015 Forester XT. It has a twin clutch rear differential. The 20:1 crawl ratio is close to the older Subaru Dual Range low gear ratio (which is 22:1)
hurricane watcher I have mountain snowflake rated all terrain tires. I hear I have best in class p-rated (passenger vehicle) A/T’s for snow/mud in the Cooper discovery AT3 4S. The tires you have will make a big big difference in the snow. I felt my Passport performed better than my 2015 FXT in the snow. Power based torque vectoring makes turning in snow and mud easier. Also, again, the transmission is so much more capable too.
@hurricane watcher Im going to go as far as saying the passport is a superior awd system to subarus now,
Please do more forester with cvt doing offroading. Great vid btw!
Eternal alchemist, I have 2 years worth of Subaru Offroading videos in my 2015 FXT.
I hang out with a lot of Subaru guys and gals, the Subaru content will never stop.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring what was the name of the group you were riding with? New Subaru owner trying to find Subaru Off roading events like this one.
Oliver Torres the group is called “MtnRoo” and they have chapters world wide. There’s a Facebook group you can join.
Subie subie subie subie subie subie the tough wagon
man looks like fun!
Derek Wong not quite as fun after I got bigger tires and cut my front bumper. The Oriflame trail was too much for my nearly stock Passport, but I'd love to do a rematch, which I'm sure, would be no problem at all now. The ground clearance was so limiting, I really didn't get to showcase the capabilities of Honda's iVTM4 AWD system. My Kramer's Arch video showed off how amazing it is :P.
My latest upgrade is my 2 inch lift. This should boost my 8.1 inches of ground clearance to 11.1 inches. I have over 10 inches at the lowest point of my front skid plate and 11.5 inches at my rear differential "pointy thingy" (i don't know what to call it). I'm pretty happy with how this ride turned out. It's still excellent on the road, and I'm really excited that it will take me on most "high clearance" trails. I'll be putting together a mini-sode of my 2 inch lift soon.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring yah totally. I'll be watching the other ones now.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Is there an "as" missing between "fun after"? Seeing your videos I think more fun for you due to more capability. Subscribed so I can see the mini-sode of the lift. Did you do it or shop?
Stefan Heinz I’m having a lot more fun after getting more ground clearance. I had Nathan Robinson at Jim’s AutoService install my lift kit. I had a big jump in capability by cutting my front bumper (I did that myself with a $59 Dremel 3000) and upsizing my tires. The 2 inch lift is icing on the cake. Not sure if you watched this video yet. But I was tackling much more difficult terrain in this video. Again, pre 2 inch lift.
2019 Honda Passport Offroad - CALICO ADVENTURE w/ 35+ Subaru's.
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The only thing I’m not to excited about with the 29” tires on my outlander is the worse fuel economy. I really want to get a full sized spare. But I don’t want to put it on my roof and get worse fuel economy. I really want to get the hitched mounted spare tire carrier. I’m just curious why you decided to use a roof top carrier for your spar tire vs a rear external tire carrier? My main concern with all my Mods is the adverse affect on everyday driving and fuel economy. My braking ability has been reduced due to the larger tires so I plan on getting high performance brakes and rotors. Next I want to get the hitch and hitch mounted tire carrier and get a full sized spare. Once I get that I’ll see how much I sag in the rear then get my 1” lift springs and use a strut spacer to make of the difference in the rear from the sag with the spare tire and carrier. I no your waiting for a lift to be devolved for your car. But just curious what else you think you might end up doing?
Jklpino, roof cargo carriers have been proven to only reduce MPG's on small vehicles by 2 mpg. Cargo baskets are not as aerodynamic and a loss of about 4 mpg is to be expected. It really depends on the vehicle, a heavier vehicle like my passport with a larger displacement engine hardly gets strained by the cargo carrier. I'm only noticing around a 1 mpg loss, maybe 1.5, but less than 2 mpg.
I'm not a fan of a rear tire carrier since my rear window will be blocked and it will make parallel packing that much more of an issue. It's also alot of added weight, and that modification only does one single thing. It's not very practical. The cargo carrier is a good solution for spare tire, extra fuel, traction boards, and other gear. It's easily accessible.
With all that said. I wouldn't put one on a smaller vehicle like an outlander. I wouldn't put one on my Forester XT either. The Passport is larger, wider and heavier and is less affected by wind drag.
I'm not sure if you've watched the video's of my FXT, but I built a wood frame to house a 29" full size spare tire. It worked out great because the wood frame leveled out the cargo area when the 2nd row seats are folded down. This Honda Passport has a spot for a half width donut spare. That had to go, so I threw the donut out and used that space for my recovery and camping gear. My options were to get a hitch tire carrier or cargo carrier and the cargo carrier made more sense and was much more practical. the carrier is rated to hold 165 lbs.
Hey man! Great video! Was there an option for a third row of seating?
Not at all. The Pilot is the 3rd row seater. Different suspension though
Has any of your friends with base model 15+ foresters experienced any major problems? Looking to buy one with a manual but hear of oil consumption issues and possible engine failures. Coming from a camry.
I personally don’t know anyone that has issues with their Forester 2.5, but I have heard about people having trouble with oil consumption. Boxer engines really need to be lubricated due to their flat design, so it’s super duper important they have enough oil. Good luck on your purchase! If you buy preowned froma dealer, the couple thousand you spend on an extended warranty will definitely be worth it.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Would you consider 41k miles to be high?
Kevin no, I don’t think so, plus, if the engine has survived to 41k miles, maybe it’s not having too many problems?
Oh another thing to look out for. Premature CV bushing wear in the 2014-2016 models. Subaru now uses a softer mushier bushing that lasts longer.
JonDZ Adventuring awesome thanks for the info!
had the oil problem with my fozzie. Started using Subaru or motul engine oil. Problem has stopped.
did you change ATF cooler?
does the tranny heats up tremendously during challenging scenes?
great video!
I haven’t been on anything super steep and challenging enough to see when the transmission will overheat.
One thing is for sure though. Leaving this vehicle in “sand” mode will definitely heat the transmission faster than regular mode.
There’s a TH-cam video done by the fast lane car where they compare 4 trucks and the Honda Ridgeline overheats. Imo, the problem is They had it in sand mode the whole time.
It’s really evident that sand mode has increased throttle mapping and over revs the engine at the slightest touch of the gas pedal.
With that said. Maybe I can get this transmission stressed out if I take this thing to the Sand Dunes and attempt a bunch steep dune climbs? Maybe I’ll try that sometime, haha!
Oh! I definitely plan to add a transmission cooler at some point!
I’m pretty sure they come with a transmission cooler.
The 2009-2015 PILOTS with 4wd came with transmission coolers that allowed you to also safely tow up to 5,000 lbs.
I’ve driven my 2012 PILOT multiple times from Joshua Tree CA to Laughlin NV (IN THE MIDDLE OF SUMMER WHEN ITS 118 DEGREES OUTSIDE) purely off highway on dirt roads for HOURS and have never had a problem with coolant breakdown or overheating the transmission. Then again I change my tranny fluid and VTM-4 fluid every 15K Miles, but still, never had a problem overheating in any situation.
What you think.... the Honda is better than your XT... ?
Standheizungen Rehbein that’s a good question. The gearing and drive train in the Passport seems to be more geared towards offroad terrain. The full time AWD system with clutch packs in the rear differential that can either go limited slip or simulated locking seem to be better than modern Subaru open differentials.
Where the passport is definitely lacking is Ground clearance and offroad angles. Until I get this thing lifted I’ll have to say my old FXT will *get* further down a trail.
Thanks for the Reply! It is great that you drive with the new Passport into the Offroad :) I will hear your Opinion about the Differenzes FXT and Passport after 6 Month Driving-Expiriences with your new Honda... In Germany the 2019 FXT have only 150 HP max. because the European Emissions "Problem". Maybe Honda brings a stronger mid size Suv here like the Passport...
@@standheizungenrehbein4575 2019 does not have FXT.. FXT is a turbo model. if you want Subie looks for the older model which has LSD and can be a nice offroad fun car.
@@Tranfamilies right but with low miles it is hard to find here...
@@standheizungenrehbein4575 unfortunately, newer model wont have that unless you mod it.
Great vid..... But you guys need to start going off road, the subies are capable of handling waaay more. 😀
Cory Young they did plenty. They got up a rocky 45 degree climb that I wasn’t comfortable taking a stock height Honda Passport up. While this trail isn’t extremely difficult, it’s enough for a Jeep to tread a little carefully, according to trail recon at-least.
Not all Subie’s are created equally. It’s true, an old Modified Subaru is definitely capable of a lot more.
what wheels did you get? how much were they? how did the fit? are they 18's?
Tony Diaz I have KMC 820’s. They are 18x9. They fit great, but if I could do it all over again, I’d get these 17 wheels by Jsport that will still clear the brake calipers.
sorry, I am new to all these offroading stuff. is it just me or does it look like subaru is doing the offroading better than the honda?
Here’s my Assessment. Subaru’s are built from the ground up to be AWD vehicles. They are balanced, sure footed, have a low center of gravity and naturally have more ground clearance, better approach, and break over angles. There’s a big difference between an older Subaru and the modern Subaru (automatic transmission vs. CVT).
The Honda Passport has an advanced AWD system and a powerful engine with aggressive gearing, But, it’s big and heavy with less ground clearance. The modern Subaru’s have 8.7” vs. the Honda Passports 8.1”. Just to put how important ground clearance is, a stock Toyota Tacoma has class leading 9.5”. That’s the Honda’s weakness right now. But all the other attributes are pretty great in comparison. Take the climb at 36:00, I just crawled up it. There’s no way my 2015 FXT is doing that without a running start.
In this video, many of these Subaru’s have 2 inch lift kits with larger tires. They effectively have +2.75” making their ground clearance well past 11 inches.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring are the older or new subarus better for off roading ?
revenantgod That’s a good question. I think older Subaru’s are more mechanically inclined (some have limited slip rear differentials) and Newer Subaru’s are more electronically inclined (think Xmode).
The biggest difference between old Subaru’s and modern Subaru’s is the transmission. The modern Subaru has a CVT. Quite honestly, I think the transmission gets more hate than it deserves but during steep low traction hill climbs the CVT can struggle.
I’m no expert, so I’m just going to describe what I observe happening. As many know, CVT’s don’t have gears, just two cones and a chain and certain combinations created simulated gear ratios (atleast in the case of Subaru). From a stopped or slowed position, even with the CVT set to the first gear ratio. I feel that they have to “spool” or just gets hung up not being able to transmit enough wheel torque to get the thing crawling up a steep hill climb. Of course you can solve this problem by using momentum.
Here’s an example of what I’m talking about. This is the section of the trail that I hard to turn around due to not having enough ground clearance. I didn’t witness the older Subaru’s getting up, but I’d imagine they’d do it a bit easier because of the traditional automatic transmissions. From what I was told, the older Subaru’s were able to crawl up.
Btw, All Subaru’s made it up this trail.
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@@JonDZ_Adventuring thank you so much! very very informative! maybe u can make a next video on this topic! i am sure many people have the same questions too!
=)))
Interesting Fact:
Consumer reports gives the Honda Passport a much worst than average for a reliability score.
34:24 did anyone else flinch?
I sure did! I'm sure that was more than my mud guards or chin spoiler. I think that's the sound of my muffler making contact.
Why are there never any jeeps 😂
@ivy zilla I’m currently on a trip with a Jeep JL wrangler sport on 37’s. Also, one of my Videos has a JK in it.
I know you are totally interested in unsolicited advice from a rando on the internet but I would recommend a lift but NOT bigger tires, with full independent you'll get a ton of benefit from the lift but all bigger tires is going to do is gear you down to make the lack of a low range even that much more noticeable. my 2 cents.
I appreciate the advice Patrick! I only plan on going with 31.6” tires. Stock tires on the passport are 29.6” so it’s a small upsize. Maybe I’ll settle for 31.0”’s who knows. The gearing should be able to handle it, 1st gear is 4.71 and axles are 4.33. What do you think?
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I think you could certainly get away with it, its a ~7% decrease in gearing (not counting for additional rotational weight) so your crawl ratio goes from 20.4:1 to 19.13:1 which is still probably totally fine, I mean you're still ahead on any Subaru. You'll notice it though, I went from a 31 to a 33 which is only a ~6% decrease and it was pretty noticeable. The good news is that I got GREAT highway mileage overgeared like that, until I changed ratios and went to undergeared.
@@PatrickRich thanks for breaking it down in detail, I really appreciate that!. Geez, I applied the same math to my 2015 Forester XT and show a stock 14.43:1 crawl ratio but with my 29 inch tires I was at a 4.7% decrease, so 12.41:1 crawl ratio. CVT also needs a little bit of momentum before it will get going, so my guess is that the initial crawl ratio is much much lower.
My goal in this thing is to do stuff I've been doing in my Subaru, just a bit easier. Ground clearance and breakover angle is the struggle right now and I think i'll be a very happy camper once a lift kit is available.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring what brand tires will you be getting? I have seen 2 people run the Dynapro's and they did not like them at all.
JonDZ. do you find some people don't take you serious because you drive the Passport? Does everyone have to own a Jeep or Taco?
Ron Dail yes
why? whats wrong with the passport?
@@vegasxventures Who cares what others think. You just like your skills and you car do all the talking. Keep up the great videos. I have been really amazed by JonDZ taking this unpaved route. It's easy to buy a Taco, Sub, or Jeep... this dude is a true explorer.
Ron Dail Not at all. Many people with Jeeps and Toyota trucks don’t take them offroad. It’s the opposite, on the trail, I’ll get the thumbs up because they won’t expect a unibody SUV/Crossover up here. Especially on a trail like this.
Edit*** actually, this video was when my Paasport was stock and I didn’t have the ground clearance to continue. When I drove up to funnel lake, I was shown nothing but love.
Thanks Queen Le! Yeah, If we think about the American pioneers, they were out exploring on freakin wagon wheels and horses 🐴. Haha!
why you do off road - my answer is to explore new places but has to be natural beautiful , sorry to say in USA its hard to find Nature beauty its only few places other then all scrap .
Ok you are selling me this car well but I am tall and that foot brake hits me every time i rest my foot. I found it annoying. What do you think of that? Is this as good as 4runner for offroading?
In the medium size SUV segment, the 4runner and the Jeep Grand Cherokee (with 4WD and trims that have Rear lockers) will be the most capable. So 4runner TRD pro, or TRD offroad with rear locker will be a 10. A Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk would be a 10. Is say the Honda Passport with 20.4:1 crawl ratio and a rear limited slip differential/part time locker would be a 7. Imo, the Subaru Ascent would be a 5. Everything else would be 3 or lower. Not counting luxury brands. If you can wait, the 4runner will be all new for 2021 (should go on sale next year) or the Ford Bronco/BroncoII. I wouldn’t buy a new 4runner at this point. The technology is ancient and overpriced for what you get. Good luck on your vehicle choice! I’m 6’1” and love the size of the passport, you must be a giant! You can angle the driver seat forward and back. In the passport it “angles” instead of “tilts” like in other vehicles.
JonDZ Adventuring That’s very good to know. I am 6’2 but the foot brake touches my foot when i rest it. I’ll test drive again. I always thought you need big trucks for these expeditions. I am feeling comfortable after seeing your videos. Apparently there are off-roading clubs with subarus and passports! I may have to find one for rookies in SoCal.
You can always hang out with the Subaru group called the MtnRoo. There will be a trip in Big Bear in June, the trail run will be for beginners and it’s a great way to get acquainted with light offroading.
Keep in mind that a completely stock Passport isn’t ready for anything higher than a level 3 Jeep trail. The stock 20 inch wheels are a big liability. This Oriflame trail is about a level 4 to 5 Jeep trail, and that’s why I had to turn around (even though I downsized to 18 inch wheels and had all terrain tires).
In my latest video, I show my slightly modified Passport. I have tires about 2
Inches taller and I cut my front bumper. This greatly increased the capabilities while still completely maintaining the vehicles on road handling.
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JonDZ Adventuring Great! If you don’t do any cutting and just add off-road tires, can a stock passport awd do level 1-3 offroading?
Kartik K, honestly, a level 3 trail would be pushing the limits because the front bumper sticks down so low. If you don’t mind scraping it, you’ll get through a level 3 just fine. Here’s the trail rating system btw:
www.dirtopia.com/wiki/4WD_Trail_Rating
Do you know any CX5 2019 owner who has taken theirs offroad? I would like to see mazda updated awd system
Sorry Elbert, I do not. One thing I’ve learned from offroading is never count anyone out. If you don’t know, it’s best to keep the mouth shut.
I had a group of Raptors telling me how tough the trail was up ahead, A trail I had already been up previously. They looked at my 2015 Forester XT and told me there’s no way I’d make it up. People are just stupid sometimes, thinking you need a Jeep or Toyota to drive down a dirt road.
With all that said, I’d love to see what Mazda can do.
Clarda, you need to control those hot fingers of yours. When I hit my “skid plate” I wasn’t going down a dirt road was I? The passport does not have great approach angle, it’s at 21.7 degree’s, better than a Kia Sorento that did Hells gate with 16.9 degrees of approach. Yeah yeah, it had taller tires, so at best it matches the approach angle of my passport *** while modified ****.
You should start shaming the crosstrek and the Outback now, since they have 18 degrees of approach.
Youre such a nice guy Clarda. Is this your thing? Jumping on TH-cam videos of non-Jeeps to just troll around? You don’t even have stats to reference in your arguments, just “the Honda Passport has terrible approach angle”. By comparison, the Honda Passport has above average approach angle compared to the vehicles it competes with. Do some google searches before you start typing.
“I doesn’t matter what it is as long as it has appropriate approach, break over and departure”. You must have missed the part where I turned around due to the lack of ground clearance and mentioned I needed a lift and taller tires. You know.... that improves approach, breakover and departure angles? I’m sure you do.
You’re really twisting it
Watch out Elbert Kwee, Clarda will flame any CX-5 owner for taking their Mazda’s on dirt because they only have 18.6 degrees of approach angle 🤣.
So was your Ram lifted? Because if it was, that approach angle would improve.
Toyota trucks outperforms all other brands when it comes to off-roading, period.
🤣. Yeah man, go offroading in a Toyota crossover, see how that goes.
Alex Agykum before I purchased the Honda Passport,
I tried a Toyota Tacoma. It looks large on the outside but the vehicle is too small, even with a crew cab. Being 6’1” 250, I’m not the largest guy, but totally cramped. This truck was basically a 2 seater to me.
Also, Toyota’s here in the USA only use Petrol fuel and have poor fuel economy. Realistically, a completely stock Tacoma one Highway Terrains doing 70mph will get you about 17 mpg. Add upgrades like A/T tires and you’re looking at 15 mpg on a good day.
That’s why crossovers are popular, and choosing the cream of the crop (Jeep, Subaru and now Honda) are smart choices. Between these brands we have choose between reliability and performance.
With my mods: A/T’s, cargo carrier, I’m still getting 23 mpg highway. That’s substantially more than the Toyota. A Lightly modded Subaru will get 28 mpg, pretty much doubling a Tacoma’s fuel efficiency.
The idea is, the better your MPG’s the more you well get out and adventure.
Are you forgetting about Jeeps
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yea Id love to see a Rav 4 keep up with a passport
You know you can buy a Toyota 4Runner that will run this trail with no sweat. Leave the Passport for mall trips.
You know, I use to drive a FJ cruiser? I hated driving that thing on the road and filling up at gas tanks that I think I rather just trailer the thing with this Passport to a trail. 4 runner is basically the same car bro, same engine. Wooooo could be a trailer queen
How about take a 4 runner to Death Valley and have all 4 shocks explode.
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Interesting fact, we had a 4 Runner with us, and a Tacoma, and a land cruiser. They all had a great time. What's your point?
Those cars are not design for offroad
I guess it's even more impressive then. They do really well at something they werent meant for.
says who?