Þrymskviða (The Theft of Thor's Hammer) in Old Norse
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- The complete text of Þrymskviða (Thrymskvitha, Thrymskvida, the Poem of Thrym) in the original Old Norse from the Codex Regius manuscript, together with English explanations and translation.
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Gotta say, as a native scandinavian speaker but with no schooling in old norse, i really enjoyed this style of translation. Makes it much easier to connect with the old norse text and try to make sense of it, rather than just pick out the words or sentences you think you recognize while waiting for the english translation.
i've been waiting for this. This word by word poetic edda series are highly precious. Thanks a lot!
Thank you. I am starting to actually understand more now! Even with not as much time studying full-time. Just getting used to how things sound the words seriously sound verrrrry much like English. Understanding cultural tidbits here and there help comprehension as well.
Wow, actually been waiting for this one from you. Amazing, thank you for sharing!
A comment of appreciation! Thanks for all your work Mr. Crawford
This is one of my favorites!
it's funny how many of the words that's hard to find a good replacement for in English, I can find almost an exact word for in older Danish. especially in old songs that are a couple hundred years old, a lot of words are similar to these
Dude crazy random but I feel like I remember you mentioning living in/near Jamestown. I’m in a band called Coppertail playing at the mercantile tomorrow night. I love your channel so I’ll be shouting you out onstage, it would be super cool to meet you. Hope all is well for you & thanks for posting such cool content
32:10 could it be the "mountains breaking and earth burning" is imagery of someone riding hard? Rocks and dust flying high, looking like smoke of a fire?
Seems most likely to me!
Marvelous video, unravelling this famous yarn and teaching at the same time! Just became a patron. Thanks for what you do!
these videos are gold! thank you for all your work and for sharing it with us.
Im so excited to learn everything!! Thank you for sharing! 💕
Lovely stuff!
I once translated that entire story into Sanskrit.
Cool story bro.
.... no really.
That's awesome!
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Wow, this is awesome! I find these so fascinating.
This made a pretty bad week a lot better. Thanks as always for sharing your knowledge, voice, and ideas with your TH-cam students.
Speaking of Thor's hammer, and anyone feel free to respond and let me know if this was already covered amongst Jackon's generous multitude of other videos but: Mjölnir is obviously a core piece of Norse mythology, but were hammers used that often in Norse warfare? Maybe I just haven't read enough but I feel like swords, spears, and even axes are mentioned more than hammers. And I've browsed archeological findings of Norse weapons and can't recall any hammers. I'm just curious why Thor uses a hammer instead of an axe or sword, I guess. Take care,brothers and sisters from forests and oceans away, and Skål!
Skål! 🍻
Ok, here is a alternate version of what they may have been talking about (from a swede)
pórr's hammer is his heart.
So when you read he sleeps and someone stole his hammer, he is in fact dead.
when he is dead, his heart is lost, and he is cut in two, a part dwells in his future mother and his future father.
To return to life, he needs loki(hormones) especially adrenaline.
he needs loki to get out of the father but above all he needs freyja(the egg) and only trough her find his hammer.
He needs freyja trough loki to live again. it his loki who takes him to freyja (the hormones take him to the egg)
The giants in the texts being described were never giant, but you are in a phase of life where you are very small.
Jotunheimen is the land of ice giants.
Ice is something that holds hard in solid form to later flow, in other words representing how the endometrium (the carpet of blood in the womb) which is solid form until menstruation, where it flows carrying away and cleaning all in its path.
the endometrium wants above all to have an egg otherwise it dies (the king of the Jotuns wants to have freyja).
History is not what you think
And to answer your question, hammers were not commonly used in scandinavian warfare.
@@thingstowatch9530 I appreciate you taking the time to write out the explanation. It's a take on it that I've never heard before, figurative rather than literal. I'd be curious about the etymological evidence of word choice to see if there is evidence for it, but what you say makes sense logically. Appreciate the idea! :)
Going back to the hammer thing, King Edward I of England was known as "The Hammer of the Scots." King Robert the Bruce is usually portrayed on horseback with a war hammer in his hand.
Sequinta had a lovely version of this accompanied by a Scandinavian lyre. It's not on spotify's or YT's version of the album. Does anyone know why? I really enjoyed it. Still have the cd but don't have a cd player at the moment. Might have to get one.
You always have incredible scenery behind you. Do you always make youtube videos while hiking in the mountains? Where is this?
Like John Denver sang: Rocky Mountain high.... in Colorado....
Colorado Rockies! He has said he does sometimes do a little hiking to get to the nice spots. I believe he lives near this area.
Would "he has been stolen from" be the same as the "modern" day Swedish word "bestulen"? Like "Han blev bestulen på sin hammare?"
As for alliteration of things that wouldn’t have alliterated during later times - in Old up to Classical Irish poetry alliteration is etymological. Even though the consonants undergo mutations (and those are important for rhymes, for example), the mutations are ignored for the sake of alliteration - the original radical sounds are used. Wouldn’t surprise me if for a few decades or even hundreds of years the same were true in Icelandic poetry, using alliteration that no longer worked acoustically in context (at least as long as the poets were aware of words’ etymology).
Does anybody know of a channel that is reliable like Jackson Crawford but focuses on Celtic as opposed to Norse myth?
Scotland History Tours... Off the top of my head. I may find another. See my playlists on my channel. Hope ya like.
@@nikburisson9-pissedoffpeasant- Thank you for responding but I couldn't find any videos on your channel on Celtic myth and Scotland history tours seems to focus more on history as opposed to the ancient religions. Do you have any other suggestions I could look into?
this story is burned into my mind because i took Nordic Mythologies class and a fellow student whipped out a ukulele and harmonica and sang a song about it
The only fitting musical accompaniments to this story, I feel
Brothers of Metal did a great retelling of Þrymskviða in “Theft of the Hammer”
I feel like we are over due for a full review of Gaiman’s Norse mythology by dr Crawford, at least according to when I put it the words ‘Norse, mythology, story’ into TH-cam’s algorithm. Its just Jackson and people explaining Gaiman, it’s actually weird and I hope it hurts their computers.
The Valhalla comics (1979 and onward) did a great version of this story. Can anyone tell me if it exists in English ?
Mr. Crawford, I'm new to your content and channel so forgive my ignorance in asking but, do you practice this religion? Or have you ever tried it out?
Neat
Regarding the start of stanza 3, sounds a bit like the Norwegian "tun" (immediate area around the farm). Which would also make sort of sense. "Dei gjekk til Frøyas fagre tun" :)
Ving Thorr "rhymes" with 8th century Vreidhr, NOT with 12th century Reidhr.
Reidhr does "rhyme" with Ragn Thorr, they could have made a 12th century "rhyme"
Cross-dressing and sex-change are age-old strands in European literature, from the ancient Greeks (Tiresias in Homer, Hesiod and the drama) to Shakespeare's plays and Italian opera.
The slaughter that forestalls consummation of the wedding is reminiscent of the "homosexual panic" that some Norse warriors must have experienced after their celebrations.
Cross-dressing remains a part of popular culture in Britain, both for fancy dress and in the theatre. Is it the same on the mainland?
and again, i even do not need a spectograph to confirm his á and ó are the EXACT same vowel, in both quantity and quality .... wrong stays wrong, if this was the case that both vowels transcribed this way would be completely undifferentiable, we would see a constant mixing up of them in the written material ... sigh. if he does this on purpose, i really need the source literature claiming that this was actually the case, but nothing on the reconstruction of old or proto norse i have stumbled upon ever stated that..
i am happy to see that a speaker of an anglophonic language can pronounce the midclose back vowel [o(:)] as in thórr, but even if u insist that long á at this stage of the language experienced rounding (the vowel of in the UK=[ɒ] vs. US=[ɑ]) then at least care about the hight, its _either_ *the same* vowel as in the UK then, only pronounced long (...well in fact, if u dont asume rounding, u can still pronounce it the long vowel of elongated, just with the american pronunciation lol, so its always right), _or_ the vowel of [ɔ] (in long again) if one really insists on the shift to an more mid-o-type vowel (just NOT with an australian pronunciation cuz they in fact use the long ó [oː] i.e. [noːθ] instead of [nɔːθ]/[nɔɹθ])
I know this is old, but I must admit I just do not hear what you hear at all.
From what I can tell, I hear him pronounce /ó/ like Icelandic /ó/ (as in I hear it as if it were an Icelandic /ó/, but that doesn't necessarily mean he pronounces a diphthong as my Icelandic ears do hear [oː] as [ou]).
On the other hand his /á/ sounds like a long Icelandic /o/, similar to how I would pronounce the vowel in the Icelandic word /kona/ or /vor/ (I say similar, because I and many Icelanders actually pronounce the long [ɔ] more as opening [oɔ:] or [ʊɔː], while his sounds more pure [ɔː], maybe just a tad higher/more close)
While you could argue how accurate the height is to what the Norse would have pronounced it in when it was written, and while his [ɔː] is a bit higher than the [ɔː] in north or the UK [ɒ], the fact is he DOES pronounce the two sounds /á/ and /ó/ differently.
Going through the whole video the only part where I felt like his /ó/ and /á/ sounded the same was in "álfar", which sounded more like "ólfar" to me, but that might also just be an effect from the /l/ (which might be a bit dark? I can't tell, not an expert at hearing difference between English sounds)
Ok, here is a crazy version of what they may have been talking about (from a swede)
pórr's hammer is his heart.
So when you read he sleeps and someone stole his hammer, he is in fact dead.
when he is dead, his heart is lost, and he is cut in two, a part dwells in his future mother and his future father.
To return to life, he needs loki(hormones) especially adrenaline.
he needs loki to get out of the father but above all he needs freyja(the egg) and only trough her find his hammer.
He needs freyja trough loki to live again. it his loki who takes him to freyja (the hormones take him to the egg)
The giants in the texts being described were never giant, but you are in a phase of life where you are very small.
Jotunheimen is the land of ice giants.
Ice is something that holds hard in solid form to later flow, in other words representing how the endometrium (the carpet of blood in the womb) which is solid form until menstruation, where it flows carrying away and cleaning all in its path.
the endometrium wants above all to have an egg otherwise it dies (the king of the Jotuns wants to have freyja).
History is not what you think
30:42 "tvær" is the feminine form of the numeral -- so doesn't this mean that Loki is gendering both himself and Þórr as women here? As opposed to Þórr's earlier use of the neuter "tvau" when talking to Freyja about them both going to Jǫtunheimr?
He's not even going for plausible deniability here, he's like "Hell yeah, girlfriend, we are both women and we're going to your wedding!"
The text on screen is from a critical edition. The actual Codex Regius has tvau as he narrates it.
The theft of Thor’s hammer? Is this an old Norse reading of Thor: Love and Thunder?
Thor's the original drag queen.