Thor's Home (Þrúðheimr / Thruthheim)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- A look at what the Eddas say about Thor's home, Þrúðheimr (Thruthheim / Thrudheim) or Þrúðvangar (Thruthvangar / Thrudvangar).
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I appreciate we'll never know but it doesn’t seem wildly implausible on first glance that Odin getting "half" is actually a reference to Thor getting the other half and that part of the reason Thor seems to be widely loved in real life and yet Odin gets more prominence in the poems is because the upper class half go to Valholl and the lower class half go to Thor.
You're literally one of the best people, Jackson.
I suspect that given their love of the spoken word there was no fixed map of Norse mythology. There is a large part of me that wants Hel to be the same place as the village next to Trondheim airport that's now called Hell.
Well according to the sources we have it would seem Norse mythology's realms are all on the same plane. They're not separated (as artists like to depict and even though it looks cool, isn't something they conceptualized.)
None of the descriptions in the poetic or prose edda suggest the realms being on different planets, planes, or even branches of the world tree. And often the world tree is depicted much more centrally in art than it is in the myths. It's really described more as just a huge tree. But not at the center of creation.
Thanks Doc, as always. Very inspirational. I hope to support you on your journey of independent scholarship and study more in the future. Its greatly interesting lessons and stories and we need free thinking folks in the world, outside of academia, bringing knowledge from their work.
You know, I never really understood how alliteration and parallelism in old Norse poetry could give people that satisfaction that you get from rhyming until I heard Heilung perform it. Now when I hear it it's v spicy
It was Adam Warlock for me lol.
I like the idea of it being 5x120+40 (640) doors instead of 540, 640 just seems like a better “square” number, though I suppose that 540 is a good “round” number.
Thanks!
A fun read has a map in it that without it the story, as rough as it is to read at 1st time (took the author 9.5 years to deconstruct English to what it might be like 3,000 years after a nuclear war w no books) much harder to understand. Riddley Walker by Russell Hoban. After the 1st chapter when the headache goes away its pretty easy. I didnt put it down until I finished it. Off point, I know, but it is a map vs book related book and I cant pass up a chance to share this book. Thank you for all your work. Super pay coming.
Oh I could draw you a map of Middle Earth with astounding accuracy.
Bruh. That opening poem. Are you ok
Hey Jackson, when are you going to continue the series on the origin of the individual runes?
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"W" in Germanic languages is pronounced as a "v" so wouldn't Voden alliterate with Valholl?
W as V is not the original condition of the Germanic languages, that’s a later sound change.
@@CCNorse I mean I'm not so sure. Why would Odin then be paired with Vili and Ve in the creation? Unless it alliterated with Voden.
@@casthedemonit's because the sound was originally a w, and they all started with a w. in proto norse, the names were *Wōðanaz (Óðinn), *Wīhōn (Vé), and *Weljōn (Vili). the w was lost before a rounded vowel by about 500, (see worm vs ormr, word vs orð, etc), and in old west norse, the w changed to an approximate [ʋ] by about 1000, and in old east norse (the descendant of the continental scadinavian languages), until quite a bit later in some, and in others, even to this day, swedish and danish dialects retain it as a w.
the reason why they're still paired together is to ensure poetry still works with the rhythm. it's why we still say "till death do us part" during marriage after all. the very fact that all the descendants of *Wōðanaz starts with an o and not a v-like sounds says it all
@@SoulcatcherLucario huh interesting. I found it very weird and it's really hard to get answers on these things. Why did Vili and Ve's names change so much compared to Odin though? They don't sound anything like the original.
@@SoulcatcherLucario still not sure why an Old Norse source would change the "w" sound to a "v" though. It's weird. So confusing. Cause Vili should be either "Wili" or just "ili" if they followed the same convention. It's weird that they don't follow any of the rules.
Thor has a new movie out wow is that where you got your information from.
Is this your first time experiencing Dr. Crawfords info? Go look around, He's got a LOT of info. And, BTW, he and his colleagues have been consulted on Vikings and The Northman.
You're special, aren't you?
A cowboy telling us about our Norse heritage. This is a joke right?
You realize this man literally has a PhD in Norse studies, right?
Every time the “boing” noise sounds when the prairie dog shoots off, I have to smile. Too much Looney Tunes in my childhood, I suppose.
Love your work-If you take TH-cam requests, I would love to see an analysis of Haustlong. It’s probably one of my favorite skalds due to how shrouded it is. First there is the unusual trio of Odinn, Hœnir, and Loki; and then there are Idunn and Thjazi who’s names seems really old and mysterious and whose etymologies I can’t find conclusively on the internet. Even the name, this seems to be like a possible mythologization of the concept of winter-which is neat because to my mind we don’t have much mythology explaining natural phenomena. I would love to hear your thoughts on this poem
Stella (his assistant/media manager/not really sure her exact job title) manages the comment section. Jackson has mentioned several times before that he does not read the comments (probably the best policy for TH-camrs). Best way to contact him is to use the email on his website.
Special announcement coming later this summer?!! Do I smell another book in the printing press?
Thank you as always, Jackson. Really interesting video and content as always. From the dry ground and sunny skies of Northern California, I'm wishing you... All the best.
You caught me off gaurd with that example of a rhyming poem. i got a good chuckle out of that
I wasn't expecting it either lmao
I know I've said this before, but I'll say it again - thank you for making these videos and not gatekeeping your knowledge. They're endlessly entertaining and fascinating. Thank you so much 🙏
Marvel should have Dr. Jackson write the Thor comics
That would be cool!
Your channel is the place where the norsemen from Nordics meets the western movies.
No no it is a box inside a car. Bilskrin
Is that wind in the background making the booming sound?
I thought mabey you were in northern colorado. Maybe id run into you at the grocery or something. I dont go to wyoming though..
Worth remembering too that medieval maps are pretty hard to navigate by, at least over long distances. They don't work or look like modern maps.
In light of the newest runic find "I am Wodanz's man", the Gaulish and Celtic Druids (one of my lines of interest) must have known of Wodanaz and Walholle.
Do we know if Himinbjörg is related to Himmelbjerget i Jutland?
So Jackson knows about the tweet. I don't swim in the cesspool that is Twitter, give us the skinny
Totally, I went to the comment right away hoping to learn more about this tweet.
Excellent as always.
Enjoyed
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Boing! and the ground squirrel exits stage left. Never fails to crack me up
I loved your class at CU! Probably one of my favorite course I took!
Beautiful backdrop! I hope you get yourself a place like that one day. I'm workin' at gettin' mine...
Interesting stuff about the home names alliterating with they're owner's names. It's so obvious... can believe I hadn't noticed that. It must be the work of skaldship.
I don't think that's a backdrop.
Norse mythology is not myth but the truth
Like your work! (The intro: the gun part, feels not so cool, at all.) Love from Göteborg, Sverige.
What do you mean?
@@Infrared01 In the intro there is an part where he pointing a gun at you.
@@quark5285 And I'm guessing this triggers your European fear of an inanimate object necessary for rural life in the western states?
@@Infrared01 No, just not cool to point a gun at you.
@@quark5285 Sure it is, it's like the signature cowboy move. I'm not sure why you felt the need to complain about that half second clip anyways
@9:12 Wait, when was the vinland map made? Not arguing. I actually do not care where heims are, just thought the Norse were a traveling people who would have maps of everything, maybe, the map I am referring to is a forgery. Imposing a way of life we are familiar with on others we discover is not unheard of.... I always wonder what if way in the future archaic homes are unearthed, and toilets are found, but not understood until one is found unbroken in the form of a chair! It would surely be part of our religious worship, and the old earthlings were a very religious people with toilets in nearly every home.
It's a forgery and even the creators claimed it was late medieval, not actually from the viking age. Nobody had remotely decent maps in the first millennium CE. Good maps of anything are largely an innovation of the early modern period, though they did improve over the course of the middle ages.
@@Terraoblivion thank you. I'm watching a documentary that basically says the same thing. Again, I am realizing things I believed were false especially when it comes to Nordic culture.
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