THE MANY FACES OF ISLAM - How a Faith Became so Divided
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- As with Judaism and Christianity, branches of the Islamic faith appear to multiply with the passage of time. Such divisions were famously foretold by the Prophet. But what were the reasons for the divergence of believers away from each other? Didn’t they all believe in the same doctrines, scriptures, revelation, and tradition. There were several reasons for the breaking apart of the nations of Islam and that is the topic of this video, where we fully highlight on a one-by-one basis the causes and effects of each split of sect, branch, denomination, and creed.
Join us in examining the extent of the separation in Islam as well as in revealing to you the historical account of the events and personalities that shaped Islam into what iit is composed of today.
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Genuinely the best presentation on the 'history of Islam' TH-cam sector.
A well arranged, precise and compelling presentation that doesn't sound like a mere regurgitation of Wikipedia entries and recycled articles.
Looking forward to more in this series coming from an authentic voice.
Bravo 👏🏾
Thank you Historyun, always appreciate your thoughts and feedback as your opinion is always of the greatest value.
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Intifada, Ayatollah, Hamas are also Biblical Hebrew words and are semitic word. These words are listed in Brown Drivers and Briggs Hebrew Biblical Lexicon.
As a muslim I've always found it interesting, even comforting in a weird way that none of this is unexpected. From the get go, Allah has revealed through the Prophet SAW that muslims will be divided into dozens of sects and camps. And only few of them will still be on the straight path come the end.
Mohammad just knew his lies would be exposed
@@fishmud3264 😂😂😂
Christianity 45,000 denominations globally 😂. We only have 73 sects
It just means we are all trying to find our own answers in finding our way back to God
You should so authoritatively assign to Allah the words of a "narrator" that Allah has nit revealed in the Quran.
Quite the monumental bet to take.
Great video! The best response to all these “divisions”, “labels” & “groups” is Qur’an Verses 6:159, 3:105 & 22:78.
Thank you Ahmed and thank you for linking more wisdoms into the discussion.
I watched the whole video! Very eloquent and concise. Here are some points of my own:
7:36 The Khawarij actually attracted many influential people such as the poet known as Abu Tayyeb Al Mutanabbi, who initially joined them and revolted against the Abbasids. But he later abadoned their ideology. The famous Arab poet Imran bin Hattan was also once a Khariji
8:40 Although the Mu'tazilites were initially non-political, their stance against predestination attracted many anti-umayyad figures such as Zayd ibn Ali, who studied under Wasil Ibn Atta (founder of Mu'tazilism). Zayd ibn Ali stated that the Umayyads were using predestination as a political tool to force people to accept tyranny as their destiny and the will of Allah.
16:40 Another reason for the revolt of Zayd ibn Ali was due to an inheritance dispute with his cousin abdullah. The umayyads refused to give Zaud his inheritance because his mother was a Indian slave women. The caliph Hisham met Zayd in his palace he stated: "how can you become caliph when your mother was an Indian slave?" Zayd replied "The prophet Ismails mother was a slave called Hajar, and Allah gave him prophethood which is higher than caliphate"
20:17 Yes, the Sufis Indeed turned away from politics. Infact, one one occasion, some people came to Hasan Al Basri and asked him whether they should join the rebellion of Al Ash'ath against Hajjaj bin Yusuf (Umayyad Caliph). Hassan Al Basri replied "do not be a part of either party"
22:39 The Austrian muslim knwon as Muhammad Asad also tried to revive the Zahiri school and called himself a Zahiri
23:33 an interesting fact that many dont know is that Shamz Tabrizi, who was the teacher of the famous poet Rumi, was once a member of the Ismaili assasin sect. But he later rejected their ideas.
25:41 although Alevis faced persecution in Turkey, the Sunni Turkish scholar known as Said Nursi had good relations with them.
28:16 Yes, you are correct. To add further to this, some interesting facts are that the Darul Uloom Deoband University in India was founded after the 1857 rebellion against the British in India, which many deobandis such as Muhammad Qasim Nanotwi participated in!
29:05 Yes absolutely, my local mosque follows the Barelvi school and they recite Dhikr loudly after each Salah
33:42 Interesting fact: one of the leaders of the Chisti order, known as Moinuddin Chisti, was famous for confronting the Mughal ruler Akbar and correcting his false belief that he was a God.
34:19 some historians state that during his youth, Rumi studied under Ibn Al Arabi while he was in damascus. Although I only found this in some sources, its interesting to point out.
34:54 I would say that Naqshabandis have hsitorically been one of the most Politically active Sufi orders. Sheikh Mansur of Chechnya who fought the russian empire, Ahmad Sirhindi who resisted the Mughal Emporer Akbar, The Kurdish Sheikh Said who revolted against Ataturk, and the Naqshabandis of Iraq who resisted the American occupation, all shared the same Naqshabadi order.
35:49 One of the most my favourite sayings by Abdul Qadir Jilani is:
"Do not try to obtain your share of the worldly gifts in a way that you have to keep standing before it like a beggar. You ought to be like a sovereign who keeps himself seated while the gifts are presented before him. This world acclaims those who stand and wait at the door of god almighty but it demeans those who wait upon it. Therefon:, get your share of the worldly benefits without demeaning yourself or compromising your dignity, and this is what Allah expects of you."
HOR, that is a great compliment of information that is extremely valuable to the topic. I appreciate it greatly and commend you for your sharing.
Interesting & informative. I would like to add what you have avoided is that the TRUE PATH OF ISLAM ( regardless of which sect/school of thought follows) IS BASED ON QURAN & SUNNAH, IN WHICH WORSHIP IS ONLY FOR ONE GOD AND PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH) IS THE FINAL PROPHET......................Thank you!
What a great video to find after Asr. Thank you and may Allah bless you and your family greatly InshaAllah
Hi Kevin. I believe you found it at exactly the right time! Glad you enjoyed it 🙏🏽
Thank you!
I know it's a huge subject and I myself try to understand it better. You narrowed it down to the essentials of each group hopefully without misrepresenting anyone (i know it is hard to do so). Well done!
The ummah needs to remember "the ummah" ...now more than ever.
Totally agreed. We need to analyze this dynamic. Do the differences separate us or do the things we have in common unite us. It’s a matter of perspective.
Thank you Tareq. Everything is very complicated but interesting. 🙏😘
You're welcome 😊
Interesting & informative. I want to add what you have avoided is that the TRUE PATH OF ISLAM is based on Quran & Sunnah alone, in which only One God is worshipped & Prophet Muhammad ( pbuh) is the final prophet. This is regardless of what sect or school of thought follows this, without going to any form of extremism........................... Thank you!
Not sure that anything was avoided. Yet I thank you for the reiteration.
I leave behind me two things, the Quran and the Sunnah and if you follow these you will never go astray.
This day the disbeliever's despair of prevailing against your religion, so fear them not, but fear Me (Allah)! This day have I perfected for you, your religion and fulfilled My favor unto you, and it hath been My good pleasure to choose Islam for you as your religion. (Surah 5, Ayah 3)
Chapter: The Virtues Of 'Ali Bin Abi Talib (AS)
Sahih Muslim 2408 a
ﷺ) One day Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) deliver sermon at a watering place known as Khumm situated between Mecca and Medina. O people, I am a human being. I am about to receive a messenger (the angel of death) from my Lord and I, in response to Allah's call, (would bid good-bye to you), but I am leaving among you two weighty things: the one being the Book of Allah in which there is right guidance and light, so hold fast to the Book of Allah and adhere to it. He exhorted (us) (to hold fast) to the Book of Allah and then said: The second are the members of my household I remind you (of your duties) to the members of my family.
false hadith, the authentic one says Quran and my family
I'm watching this while working and realizing i need to rewatch it again with extra attention because there are definitely several words that i need to research while you talk first, in order to understand the context better. As an atheist born in a catholic household, this is very interesting. Thank you! 🙌💗☺
My pleasure digitalcatto. All the Arabic words mentioned should have visual definitions on screen at the time of their mentioning so maybe you were really focusing on the work which is an amazing feat by the way.
Jazakallahu khairan ❤ peace and blessings from Dagestan ❤
Greetings back Dagestan. Lovely to have such great support from you.
Great video❤
(Btw Eid Mubarak)🎉
Thank you so much Ghareeb regarding the video. Your support is amazing. Eidkum Mubarak to you and your family as well.
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This was really eye opening, really appreciate your hard work, never thought there was so much division and different approaches to Islam, not sure if this is a positive or a negative, one thing is for sure though, modern nationalism, old sectarian differences have put paid to a united people belonging to one ummah following the example of our nabi pbuh, your ending is so true and a powerful call for unity which we so badly need in the face of a colonising and marauding west you only have to look at Gaza, yet our elites and maulana class will not heed this simple truth, may Allah protect you and the rest of us
Beautiful comment Zak. It is a complex Muslim world that has seen its fair share of consequences due to its fast expansion and conquest of peoples that had their own cultures and preceding belief systems.
Great video! The only way back to bi-la tai'fa is to study all, understand all and to understand the essence of Islam in each and every one. May Allah bring us another Golden Age, Inshallah ameen.
Understanding all and without predisposed judgement will for surely lead the Muslim nation to a better path.
@@thekandarichronicles I think we as Ummah are in the best position now, in the information age, to use aql and critical thinking to analyse and understand similar and different trends of Islam as it actualized yourself as a religion. Open mind, critical thinking but also respect for tradition and academic integrity will take us to the next civilizational leap, Inshallah.
This channel is very under rated. It should grow more for such an amazing content.
Thank you so much. Things will happen at the right time.
In my personal opinion, this is your best work that I have come across thus far. Thank you for this elucidation and your conclusion about us all being from the same tree is apt. I hope the larger body of Muslims, in whatever denomination they abide will understand this fundamental.
Personally, I have grown to be non-demoninational . May Allah continue to grow us all in His Deen.
I came across your works barely a month ago and I am hooked.
Thanks for the work you do for Islam and Muslims.
Thank you so much for your amazing words. I appreciate your insight and hope to see your commentary more and more in time.
Your investigative efforts have been truly exceptional, characterized by meticulous attention to detail and thoroughness..During our 12 years of studies, we were never introduced to this simple yet highly effective categorization of the various parts of Islam. This topic plays a vital role in organizing and understanding information across various fields. The absence of this content from our educational curriculum is particularly striking given the explanation you provided.
Sundus. Great seeing you here in the commentary section. This is one of the intents of the channel. To retell history and to reinvigorate our way of sharing knowledge. Most importantly with a much more accepting and unbiased methodology.
You deserved my subscription
I’m honored by it.
Faith isn't divided by ,but people divided it for their interests.
huge amount of info , simplified, thanks
Hello Mahmoud, I appreciate your support greatly.
Thanks. That was enlightening.
My pleasure BramJam. I am very glad it resonated and provided with some knowledge.
Hello sir - would like to say this was a well informed presentation on the overview of the ‘sociology’ (that is to say, the evolution of communities, groups, ideals and norms) of the Muslim civilisation - not a polemical discussion on which sect or group is true (which some have failed to look past). Nevertheless I did have a methodological question - since you mentioned the schools of Fiqh, it would’ve been nice to include some of the dead schools of Fiqh, such as the school of At Tabari and Al Awzai. Thank you.
@4:51 Shia and Sunni Islam derive many of the specific sayings of the Prophet pbuh, that are pertinent to "Ahl El Bayt" from the very same hadiths that were compiled within the first 2 centuries by the scholars of Medina and Kufa (the start date of these compilations were not a full 200 years later, like their consumation was). Bukhari and Muslim (200 yrs later) were themselves Persians and of the Shaifi school, but were in no way the only compilers around.
@6:16 Sunni Islam derives the belief that the hadith assists where the Quran is general or vague because that is precisely what the prophet's presence did as well (the prophet was asked nany questions, and the strongest chains of transmission is what gives the faith its many answers and practices in detail).
@6:47 to alledge that the mere consumation of a faith's community practices 200 years later wasn't the culimination of what Islam's original community was already practicing is an illogical premise, since the communities of Medina and Kufa for example provided ample proof for scholars like Imam Malik and Imam Hanifa to codify Fiqh (way before Bukhari was around, because they had 1000s of hadith scrolls). 1000's of living examples in Medina and Kufa helped to establish what hadiths were the strongest in many areas of jurisprudence.
The 4 Caliphs (particulatly the first 3 Caliphs) operated within a structure that offered Zakat to the poor, administered lands, campaigns to defend borders and entire departments were set up to justly divide the wealth that was being ascertained from Muslim scientitic and agricultural development (all of that required a Sunnah that needed to be followed in matters of the faith and nheritance etc).
@8:25 The Khawarij (the first of a few sects at the time) were mentioned of in the time of the Prophet pbuh, and it was stated by Caliph Ali himself (at the top of the chain of transmission) that if he, Muhammad, were alive in the time of the Khawarij, that he would have executed them all. Caliph Ali, may Allah be pleased with him, was aware of this Hadith, but he was also aware of the protocols of war that are to be undertaken by a Muslim, and it was these same protocols that made him broker a peace with Muawiya after the stalemate of Siffin. The Khawarij were not patriots but rather they were insubordinates who cauaed a lot of chaos for both Governor Muawiya and Caliph Ali.
@9:54 Its interesting that this video mentions the Mu'tazzila who were in the 10th century before they mentiion the Atharis who were in the late 7th and 8th centuries. The Atharis were Hadith traditionalists who were already doing intellectual battle with the rationalists and so called modernists who were Proto-Mutazzilites; so their heresy was already 100+ years old by that point and they faired well because of a few wicked rulers who benefited from their debates with the Atharis. Rulers seldom wanted the traditions of the prophet or the rulership of Ahl-el Bayt, bur rather they preferred a litle chaos. The proto-mutazzilites insisted that an Arabic Quran could not be the uncreated word of God and they failed to realize that the uncreated speech of Allah was merely translated into Arabic,.which had to happen through the act of Revelation (Muhammad transmitted the uncreated speech of Allah through the angel Gabriel in Arabic form).
@11:29 The Hanifi School (not at all a sect within Islam, is the 2nd school of law in Islam, no different from how the Supreme court or other smaller appelate courts are not themselves seperate countries within America). The Hanafi school exhibited a degree of rationalism and traditionalism that was always present among the Sahaba. In fact its interesting that Imam Hanafi, himself a student of Imam Malik is presented before "Malikism" in this video. Imam Malik's school was a treasure trove of rational and traditional knowledge for Imam Hanafi.
Imam Malik is largely accepted to be the fulfillment of Prophet Muhammad's saying that a great teacher in Medina would be a Muhadith reformer. All of the major schools of law in Sunni Islam trace back to Imam Malik.
Escaping 2030 got to say that this wonderful sharing of knowledge for us all to compliment the various highlights of the video. Greatly appreciated.
It’s a beautiful tree!
Thank you for the tour, climbing its branches and seeing all the leaves … A tree is a universe onto its self. With birds, and squirrels, insects, and the fruit that grows from the branches , providing spiritual Nur- nourishment for all mankind. Let us not forget the roots of the tree, and let us remember that a tree begins as a seed. Amin.
Very beautifully put. It is a complexity that deserves our examination, that is for sure.
how did 40min pass so fast!! 😂
I may need to watch it again to comprehend it thoroughly.
Wow! That makes me happy. Fast! Simply amazing.
I believe you left out much about the Ahmedis. You failed to mention Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed to have been divinely appointed as both the Promised Mahdi (Guided One) and Messiah. This is the reason why most Muslims, both shia and sunni, consider them to be non-muslims...
no one cares about that charlatan
I believe he is not obligated to make the video the way you like
@@homer1273No one is asking him to, Homer Simpson! 🤭
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Thank you for a great video. I advise you to replace the led lamp behind you to a flicker free led lamp
Thank you. I will look into the camera settings to offset the flickering.
Such a good video. Thank you!!
Thank you for your wonderful support.
Protect this man, the sunnis might come for him.
I think we're good!
That also force me to ponder most of the time .
Pondering is good. God gave us the element of reason to figure out things.
*_A useful synopsis of the many faces of Islam._*
Thank you Hussain. I appreciate your support.
Mashaa Allah ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️
Thank you so much of your wonderful support.
[6:159] Those who divide themselves into sects do not belong with you. Their judgment rests with GOD, then He will inform them of everything they had done.
Im muslim alhmdllh. and im not a sunni shia or anything. I just follow the Quran
Luck of islamic knowledge makes people think islam is divided.. when Prophet prayed he put his hand on top of one another.. some did different ways some even didn’t hold their hands .. and prophets was the example how we should pray. . But he never argued or told them ur posturing is wrong…( but we divided ourselves) different ways practicing is the beauty of Islam.. until we stick with Islamic core…
السَّلاَمُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَرَحْمَةُ اللهِ وَبَرَكَاتُهُ
وعليكم السلام ورحمة الله.
There are two schools of lslam.who have come through as most close to.the message...Shia 12vrs suni.Islam
Peshawar nights is the best book on this great debate...all Muslims must read this to remain relevant and focused...
All faiths have gone through it. People change their minds and nobody finds any fixes.
Fixes are done by God alone, with the reason of prophet/s.
I saw that you don't touch upon the South East Asian sects of islam in Vietnam, Cambodia, Malaysia, and Indonesia. I'm not really sure to what extent or if those could even be considered sects of islam as it mostly changes the core believes of the religion
Many subdivisions are unaddressed in the video. It would be exhaustive to go through all the various denominations and divisions. Some are considered outside the faith but even that is a matter of perspective.
@The-Nightwatch I can provide one example. There is a certain group people living in Vietnam who practice a stripped out version of islam that is also syncretized with buddhism. They only pray on Friday and sometimes they even allow their prayers to be represented by their eldest family members (only the head of the family is required to pray according to them). from what i gathered, the reason for this is due to the persecution of Cham people by the neighbouring Buddhist kingdom in the region
(من تكلم في غير فنه، آتى بالعجائب).
(He who speaks out of his field, comes with wonders!!)
People who doesn’t like the prophet teachings! Or know they are off lane!! Try to make Islam colorful & mysterious.
quick question,the two things left by the prophet in my sources are the quran and the sunnah,is there a different version that mentions the ahl-albayt?
Yes, the Shi'a branch believe that the Prophet mentioned in several instances and as mentioned at Ghadir Khumm that his progeny was also a blessing left upon the Muslim nations.
the version that says Quran and sunnah is weak, the true one is Quran and my family
The version mentioning Ahlulbayt is the one that is authentic and mentioned in various sunni books too but not so surprisingly the one that is reiterated is the one the that says Quran and sunnah
Very well presented and explained
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Thank you
Thank you for your great support!
insightful
The quran is originally a christian preaching book used by the anti-trinitarian christians called nazarenes, they are called "nasara" (نَصَرَ) in the quran, while the trinitarian (orthodox) christians whom they hated are called "mushrikuns" (مشركون) ie "associators" or "polytheists" because they associate Jesus to God (which is "shirk" شِرْك that opposes to Allah's unicity called "tawheed" تَوْحِيدُ )
Oh my?!! Divisions abundant, no wonder its always been so confusing to me. As with all religions, I tend to most relate to their mystics teachings within them. I thought, 💭 incomplete, the Sufi's were the said mystics of Muslims. Theres more than one group I've seen here now. I have soooo many questions... that, is a good thing I suppose. Which of all of these Tareq, or a blend there of, do you follow, may I ask? I would particularly enjoy a video or a list of the revered mystics to look into beyond the most common like Rumi & his wandering dervish mentor Shams of Tabriz. I only heard one sect acknowledging the equality of genders? There were a handful of mystical sects & others too that caught my attention more than others here. Certainly not the ones that want to strictly rule, or be judgmental. Id also be less interested in just regional sects- I think. Worthy of rewatching this video most certainly is, with a notepad in hand next time! I learnt most how much I dont know!! I would love to go be with the whirling dervishes in Turkey, for that, I am clear on! Are there other centers of population I could know of besides all the way there? Shukran Tareq ☯️🙏☮️🍀
Definitely a lot to unpack Brenda. And not even a comprehensive list of divisions. But definitely one that triggers curiosities for additional knowledge in understanding Muslims better.
As always I appreciate your recommendation for new content and will have them on my list for added contemplation and discovery.
@@thekandarichronicles Thanks and yes and gratitude to more on the mystics! In addition to your work, I always get so much more information & understanding from the comment section, allowing both the info & the essence of it all, to sink pleasantly deeper into my being! ✨💫❤️🔥✌️
@@thekandarichronicles Tareq, which sects are most prevalent in the Indonesian region?
In Southeast Asia inclusive of Indonesia, the vast majority follow Sunni AlShafi’i jurisprudence.
@@thekandarichronicles thanks for this, now I have your video to reference what this means, giggle!
Real original islam is now days called “muslim sunni salafi”
The way to unite islam isn’t by uniting the sects together, but by removing sects from existence until salafi sunni muslim
After that we stop using that name and call ourselves just muslim
Where are you from.
Unity comes from a peaceful reconciliation, especially when it comes to faith. Otherwise we will keep getting more divisions.
No shukraan, thus far Salafism's achievents are selling out to Anglo-Franks, taking our Ummah backeanrs, oh and managing to market the rest of Müslim community as terr... We'll stick to studying all schools. This is the true bi-la tai'fa.
حسنا الإسلام الحق لم يكن فيه سلفية أبدا ! كان إسلاما وايمانا واذا اردنا ان نكون صادقين فان اغلبية المسلمين السنة اما اشاعرة او ماتريدية او بعض الحنابلة لو لم يوجد ابن تيمية لما كان هناك وجود للسلفية - ابن تيمية ولد قبل 800 سنة تقريبا اي بعد 600 من الهجرة الشريفة وهو يمثل التيار المتطرف من الحنابلة فكيف يكون هو الممثل الحصري والوحيد للدين الحق ؟؟
@@selah920 يجب أن تسأل الطفل أين الله؟
لقد بذلت جهدا كبير بلتوفيق
Islam is Islam. Muslims are Muslims. There are not any divisions in Islam. Because every Muslim follow me root principles of Islam. Every Muslim believe that Allah is the one and only creator, every Muslim follow Muhammad (pbuh) as the last messenger ,every Muslim follow the Holy Quraan as a book from Allah ,every Muslim's face is kept towards the Kabaa in the grave after death. Other things you see among the Muslims are not part of main Islamic principles of Islam those are local culture s.
Islam will enter every house of this world inspite of the life long and hateful efforts of the enemies of Islam Inshaallah.
Agreed. The fundamentals for all Muslims is the same. That is the conclusion of the video in fact. So much unites us.
As-Salaam Alaikum and Eid Mubarak,
This kind of content can be difficult to do with some semblance of justice without falling short of over-simifications and leaning too hard into implicit biases. This is something that I notice especially with non-scholars / those without adequate training but this was a good attempt to cover quite a bit.
Shortcomings in your video essay include, for example, the relegation of Druze and the Nation of Islam type groups at the end of the video. There are on-going and persistent intra-faith discussions/debates within the Druze for instance, that navigate their relationship and identification with Islam.
The Nation of Islam, like the Moorish Science Temple and the Nation of Gods & Earths, situate many different communities, groups, and attitudes.
The Nation of Islam under the Hon. Elijah Muhammad was largely considered by significant numbers of people to represent Islam and be part of Islam, contrary to revisionist contemporary attitudes.
However, in regards to implicit and overt biases, you made a statement regarding such groups going "outside" of Islam. In the contemporary 'secular' scholastic tradition, making such remarks are often avoided, especially by some of the most rigourous researchers.
Moreover, you indicated that "all these" traditions judge or chastise each other, which based on some of your earlier explorations in the video even, is untrue. I understand the general sentiment you are referring to though.
Pirpanthis are clusters of groups that could have been mentioned along with the Bawa Muhaiyaddeen Fellowship, followers of Gohar Shahi, and a myriad of other groups, but the video-essay would become quite long.
As another comment noted, the video also presents information in a mixed-up way, featuring together branches, sects, creeds, jurisprudential dispositions, sects/cults, movements, etc - this is somewhat understandable due to the fluidity of phenomena and subjectivity of definitions.
Let's Talk Religion and Religion for Breakfast are two among a hand full of TH-cam channels that do an excellent job dwelving into Islam-related queries.
You have an excellent channel, especially in regards to explorations into geopolitics and culture.
- @TawsifEC
Hi Tawsif. I truly understand your points and had contended with them while generating the content. It is definitely challenge to try to amalgamate such info that aggregates schools of thought/law, beliefs, and socio political situations but nonetheless worth an attempt.
What about 38,000 sects of Christianity?(from Google)
What about them? Are they sects or some other type of division? The word sect has a very specific suggestion.
What kind of Muslim do you identify yourself as, ya Tareq?
what are the difference between
Muslims and Mukmin ?
are we both?
can we be both?
but
bismAllah
إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ وَٱلَّذِينَ هَادُواْ وَٱلنَّصَٰرَىٰ وَٱلصَّٰبِـِٔينَ مَنۡ ءَامَنَ بِٱللَّهِ وَٱلۡيَوۡمِ ٱلۡأٓخِرِ وَعَمِلَ صَٰلِحٗا فَلَهُمۡ أَجۡرُهُمۡ عِندَ رَبِّهِمۡ وَلَا خَوۡفٌ عَلَيۡهِمۡ وَلَا هُمۡ يَحۡزَنُونَ
(62) Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans
those who believed in Allāh and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve
2:62
there are no 'muslims' mentioned
salaam
I think you should change the title. Islam didn’t get divided it’s the people who claim to be following it.
But just go on letting itbe so. So, let it be so forever !
Well done
Thank you Tariq so much!!!
Can a muslim belong to one or more of these sects?
For sure Dawood. One can be Sunni, Hanafi and Sufi all at the same time.
Why do you want to be part of many sècts? You just need to be a muslim, why need sèct?
Islam today still is 80% Sunni Sufi, 9% wahaby sects, 6% shiite sects, 4% seculars. Pakistan is almost 77% Sunni Sufi, Afghanistan almost 85%, Uzbekistan almost 95% nominally
How to unite the muslim ummah under one umbrella ?
Stop judgement and intolerance and accept Muslims regardless of sect or creed, even if they differ in the details of their practice.
The divided of Islamic sects into 73 , to me it's reminds the present of the Dajjal and Shaitan teams from the days Adam Eve were created by Allah Wajjalla..
Brother I watch most of your videos and they are great and informative especially to non-arabic speakers!
I want to not one thing about the issue of succession! There was no issue when abu bakr took over and all believers followed him, and the same with omar and the same with othman when people of madinah asked who they wanted and wanted othman! Upon his martyr by the worst people of earth, many muslims vowed vengeance and wanted those people dead and so there was unrest political instability conflicts until Muwiyah was given bayah by all people and that year was called the “year of gathering” (عام الجماعة) and Muwiyah was able to bring back stability and security for 20 years alhamidallah.
The issue with the prophet picking a successor would never be Islamic as it would be like him appointing a prophet after him! Even the Shia 12ers believe that only an imam succeeds an imam! The argue of issue of succesion was not present in early muslims for at least the first to 3rd censturies until the rise of shia states which decalred that abu bakr and omar and ummays are kuffar for being leaders of the muslims when it should been only Ali and his descendants
Finally Jazak allah Khair for your efforts and Eid Mubarak
Thank you Yazn for your insight. It's not about judging the various divisions addressed in the video but as much as possible taking a non bias approach to revealing what and why these divisions exist.
abu bakr usurped the position and used terror to grab power, not all muslims accepted him
More "Diverse" than "Divided"! 🙂
Hmmmm. I am thinking if it can work. So far my viewpoint is not entirely persuaded.
Can you make a video on islamic Neoplatonism.......🥺plz
Sheryy I will have a think about it as it could be a little out of my depth but will see where I can find my angle. Thank you for the recommendation.
I consider myself culturally Muslim. After a phase of atheism, I embraced Sufism, particularly drawn to Ibn Arabi's philosophy. In my objective attempt to study of Islam, I find it difficult, if not impossible, to ascertain the true Islam of the Prophet Muhammad. Each sect and school of thought interprets texts according to their predetermined views influenced by politics and their character inclinations, using the texts to support their biases rather than applying a scientific method. They select hadiths that align with their perspectives and dismiss or label conflicting ones as weak.
Furthermore, the Sirah (biography) of the Prophet and other Islamic texts were compiled 200 years after the Prophet's death, based on oral transmission and heavily influenced by politics. Rulers used religion and their status as companions of the Prophet to manipulate texts for their political gain. As a result, historical Islam seems lost.
I chose Sufism not because I believe it represents the real Islam, although some verses and hadiths support it, but because it resonates with my personal philosophy rooted in mystical experiences. I am not particularly interested in discovering the true philosophy of the Prophet Muhammad, as it is nearly impossible to determine objectively. There is an insightful quote attributed to Ali ibn Abi Talib: “Verily, the truth is not known through men; know the truth [first] and you will know its people.”
Great insight Mourad and thank you for sharing your personal journey. Faith is between you and the divine. If you have found what you feel is the way, then no one can argue this.
Catch ya tomorrow Tareq, 'tis my sweet dreams time here!😘💫😴💤🧩☯️🧩☮️🧩☯️🧩
Hope you watch and enjoy Brenda.
Many Muslims do not differentiate between differences in alfiqh and differences in eaqida.
For example, many Sufis say that they adhere to the Hanafi school of thought, but they contradict the eaqida of Imam Abu Hanifa al-Numan.
The disagreement between the four imams alfiqh was a disagreement regarding matters of ijtihad because perhaps one of the four imams did not know about a prophetic hadith, so he had a mistake in his ijtihad, or there were matters for which there was no clear ruling in the Qur’an and the Sunnah, so the ruling would be on analogy, ijtihad, etc. Therefore, there was a simple disagreement. There are matters in alfiqh and not in eaqida
All four imams were one eaqida and believed in the same doctrine. The problem is with those who claim adherence to the four imams while they disagree with them regarding eaqida.
Therefore, the Prophet’s hadith is not about disagreement with alfiqah But ya aleaqida.
Abdullah thank you for the wonderfully articulate clarification. You are correct in your explanation in terms of Aqeedah versus Fiqh but ultimately it remains a separation in many aspects especially in that of daily practice and experience. Traditions might apply to one but not another.
@@thekandarichronicles Muslim scholars’ interpretation of the differences in alfiqah is that some of the four imams may not have heard about some of the rulings in one of the books of the Prophet’s hadith, so fanaticism toward one of the four imams is wrong. Rather, we return to the more correct ruling from the words of the four imams in accordance with the texts of the Qur’an and the Sunnah.
Whoever reads the debate between Imam Ibn Malik and Imam Hanafi will know the reason for the difference in alfiqah between them.
Whoever reads the biography of Imam Al-Shafi’i will know why his jurisprudential rulings changed from one country to another.
These are matters of jurisprudence that change and adapt to the needs of the people.
The greatest Muslim scholars are those who read the four books of jurisprudence and others to arrive at the most correct ruling on alfiqah issues, because the four imams are not infallible and mistakes occur from them.
Jurisprudence was subject to the jurisprudence of Muslim scholars such as Abu Jaafar al-Sadiq, Abu Sufyan al-Thawri and other imams, but the students of the four imams published the Hanafi, Shafi’i, Maliki and Hanbali jurisprudence in a written order and organization to facilitate learning alfiqah, but unfortunately many were fanatical about the issues in alfiqah from the four imams even though the four imams did not require it. Of their students follow them blindly.
Quran is very simple. Why try to make it very difficult 😕.
I dont disagree with that assessment but humanity deals with many detrimental elements like the seeking of power and control that leads to division.
I am of the opinion that, Islam has only " ONE" face Quran and hadith.. Your headline is " The many faces of Islam"... is wrong.
It should be many faces of "Muslims".
There is a lot to take in from this video... to asses the Truth. More specifically the sects and cults.. their foundation and real values they still uphold vs the ones they have forgotten ... Not everything stands ture.
Ahad... Pray to one God.
Thank you Mosada. I appreciate your insight and kind words.
Error!!! Hanafi jurisprudence is the oldest and most widely accepted. Shafi is mainly Saudi and sporadic globally.
How is that an error? The video does indeed indicate that Hanafi jurisprudence is the first jurisprudence of Sunni Islam
Did you even watch the video? 🤣
Really? The video claims it to not be Global. Did you even see the video???
What do you mean by innovations while defining a school?
Innovations or Bida'a in Arab are doctrine that is created which has no strong juridicial support and can come from worldly angles like culture then introduced into the faith's practice. Innovations are considered misguidance by some and hence some schools outlawed these methods of practice while others embrace them as an integral part of their faith.
@@thekandarichronicles So it was a kind way of saying heresy. I mistook innovation for being closed to technological progress.
19:02 Interestingly, Ithnaashari (Twelver) Shias also acknowledge that Imam Jafar al-Sadiq (as) initially designated Ismail as his successor, as recorded in their own books and accepted by their 8th and 10th Imams. However, they introduce a new doctrine called "Bada" (God changing His mind), which suggests that Allah altered His original plan due to Ismail's death during Imam Jafar al-Sadiq's lifetime. According to this doctrine, Allah declared Musa al-Kazim (as) as the successor instead.
This doctrine of "Bada" raises significant questions about Allah's nature and Imam Jafar al-Sadiq's knowledge. If Allah can change His mind, it implies that He is not all-knowing or all-powerful, as He is subject to change and revision. Furthermore, if Imam Jafar al-Sadiq (as) had knowledge of the past, present, and future, as believed in Shia tradition, how could he designate someone as his successor who he knew would die during his lifetime? This contradiction highlights the inconsistencies in the Ithnaashari Shia narrative.
Alhamdulillah our Ismaili tradition maintains that Imam Jafar al-Sadiq's (as) designation of Ismail as his successor remains valid, despite Ismail's death. This understanding emphasizes the importance of the Imam's explicit designation and the continuity of the Imamah, without resorting to the doctrine of "Bada" or implying limitations in Allah's knowledge or power. The Ismaili approach ensures a coherent and consistent understanding of the Imamah and divine guidance, while also upholding the principles of Allah's omniscience and immutability.
Thank you for sharing such valuable insight and adding to the collective information triggered by this video.
No twelvers don't say Imam sadiq appointed Ismail, why are you l.ying
@@mhmadbedrddeen3414 really. It's in your own books. And accepted by your own imams.....lol go educate yourself with your Doctrine of "Bada"
@@sherry-10z bring it let's see how much knowledge and how truthful you are
@@alb_ssx really! it's in your own book that says imam Ismail was seen after his death. How can this be possible? The fact is that imam Jafar Al Sadiq had designated imam Ismail as his successor. Imam Ismail (as) imamat is proven from your own book. And we don't believe that imam Ismail died during imam Jafar Al Sadiq's lifetime. Imam Jafar Al Sadiq (as) attended a fake funeral of his beloved son so he can save him from the Abbasid caliph... And alhamdulillah imam Jafar Al Sadiq (as) succeeded to save the imamat and alhamdulillah we have an living imam just because of Imam Jafar Al Sadiq (as).
This traditions has been passed by All Anbias If Hazrat Masieh Moud appointed by the Allah the refuted revised again that .why surpriseing attitued from the enimies not new old traditions .so our responsibillity we preach our masseg of Allah Allmighty of the holy Quran it is the peoples responsibillity that they obey the order of Allah that while an immam came in your land you obey him If he say that The Allah give me this duty that will bless for you and berkats of Allah will revealed on the peoples .jazakallah .
Good video. But i would say you are relying more on the orientalisy and shiaism approach than anctual scrutiny of the sourves especially in the early years of Islam
E.g Sunni Islam was not introduced 200 years later, but was named later
And Shiaism did not start at death of Prophet SAW but at the end of Hazrat Uthman's era by the fitna of Ibn sabah.
And Ahmdis are not a sect but non muslims. So are the other which you mentioned who do not adhere to the pillar of faith and Islam.
Again you put up nice videos but i have also seen it before that you dont go in depth of the sources very much, especially about the early ages of Islam and rely on the orientalist or/and Rafidi shia reports
Again thanks for the content, appreciate it
I agree and disagree. I agree with your assessment that the video doesn't go into too much depth. That is the format of this type of long form. More of a wide stroke of multiples elements rather than a deeper dive into each element. That in theory would come as time passes when each section will have a separate video.
I disagree with your vantage point that this is an orientalist perspective. It is a non biased perspective. If you believe the same to be true then I guess it is what it is, but it is an attempt to present such a collection of divisions that have a connection to the faith but from one perspective to the next might put those division inside our outside Islam.
false, sunnism was a reaction against shisim by the kings and sultans to make a cult around them as shisim rejected their authority after the death of the prophet
It is your view point that Shia Islam dates to the (non-existent) ibn Saba.
Shias trace their existence back to Ghadir Khumm. And we have authentic hadith from our Imams (as) who have taught us the tenets of religion.
Ah man you should have put in the Kaysanite Shia's also, they are extinct but they were the first and the first biggest branch of Shia islam
My bad for missing it. But your addition and insight will definitely have people curious about them as I am now. Thank you.
There's overlap. All of these aren't really sects. Jafaria is a madhab, as in followed in fiqh. So ithna ashari/twelvers or jafaris are the same. Same goes for hanafi, hanabali, maliki, shafi- these aren't sects
Where do you get a notion of Quran being unquestioned ? What do you base that notion on? On what ?
The Quran was vastly revealed upon being questioned.
Because Quran was the same that's why Muslims have no different opinions when it comes to quran they certainly interpreted some verses differently, but Quran was same.
But hadiths have different scholars and different schools with their own hadith books collected 200 years later after prophet.
And during revelation who is not questioned?
Like jesus being called heretic....
It seems “wishes” have become horses,,,, it’s a “miracle”.
Not sure how that proverb applies.
@@thekandarichronicles Its "wishful thinking",,, like saying we have peace with THE PEOPLE of Egypt,,, because we signed a document with Sadat. Islam is OVERWHELMINGLY Sunni and our "nation" is the Messenger of Allah SWT, Mohammad PBUH. Counties come and go.
After the death of the holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him and his holy progeny), Muslims have two options for seeking guidance from; the holy ahlulbayt (family) of the holy Prophet. Others.
The ahlulbayt are those family members of the holy Prophet who grew up in his blessed lap. Islam, Qur'an and the shari'ah were revealed in their house. The angels descended with the mercy, blessings and salutations from Allah into their house. Muslims are obligated to send blessings upon not only their holy Prophet but also his holy progeny in their namaz/salat. The holy Prophet left behind him the Book of Allah, the holy Qur'an and his holy progeny. Allah testifies of their purity, cleanliness, infallibility, sinlessness and perfection in the holy Qur'an. The holy ahlulbayt are the inheritors of the holy Prophet's knowledge, wisdom and characteristics. They are the flesh and blood of the holy Prophet. They are the best examples and role models after the holy Prophet. The holy Prophet loved them the most and they loved him the most.
Who can understand Islam, Qur'an, shari'ah, the sunnah of the holy Prophet and so on better than the people of the house?
As regards the others, we are not sure of the source of their knowledge, information, understanding and guidance on Islam.
Muslims need to study the biographies of personalities like the holy Prophet, his beloved daughter Fatima, her husband Ali and their sons Hasan and Husain (peace and blessings of Allah be upon them all).
They also need to look into the authentic history of Islam, especially events such as:-
Da'wat-e-Zul Ashira
Mubahila
Ghadir-e-Khum
Saqifa
Fadak
The death of Abuzar Ghaffari
The death of Malik bin Nuweira
The death of Muhammad bin Abi Bakr
The battle of Jamal
The battle of Siffin
Ashura
The truth of the matter is that the vast majority of people are victims of prejudice, brainwashing, ignorance, misconceptions and misinformation when it comes to the school of the holy ahlulbayt
(a s).
Please listen to the beautiful lectures by
Syed Mustafa Qazwini
Syed Muhammad Baqir Qazwini
Syed Mehdi Modarressi
Sheikh Usama Attar
Mufti Afzal Hamdard (Urdu)
Mufti Yasin Qadri (Urdu)
Syed Aqil Gharavi (Urdu)
Maulana Mirza Athar (Urdu) on TH-cam.
Gulam thank you for sharing. Separations have come and one should understand where and why they came from. The video presents the various divisions in a non bias method to relay to those who would like to learn why there are such divisions.
So which sect could be the right one? It makes Islam look more confused and doubtful just like other religions
If you follow what's in the Qur'an and Sunnah, Allah and His Messenger, you in the straight path, and if there is something that contradicts or does not exist in it, then leave it, study with a teacher, don't study with someone who doesn't know where the knowledge he got, look for a trusted teacher and ask Allah for knowledge.
@@TruthFollower-h4qThere are also the case of different interpretations by various scholars. Whom to believe?
Islam is no better than most religions with its contradictions and outdated views on human nature, society, science.
@@Hi5Ripon as the prophet said I leave with you the book of Allah and my family stick to them so you won't get astray
0:03 Brother how do you get it wrong in the first sentence? Its first 23 years while Prophet Mohamed SAW was alive in person. So as the Caliphate Abu Bakr Uthman and Omar and Ali 🤦🏾♂️
I am unsure as to how you got that understanding and conclusion. 15,000 other viewers didn't. So maybe have a look again.
@@thekandarichronicles because Rasuul Allah SAW was 40 when He started Prophethood and died at 63 years so that’s 23 years .. Not 22 🤦🏾♂️
I come to know that hadith only made islam more divided and Muhammadean.....whereas Quran is completely opposite it always attribute Prophet to nothing but a messenger and a human, and it called so many times to Muslims saying Muhammad is nothing but a man, a human. Even if he died you should not turn your back.
Hadiths are definitely an element that is contentious even amongst its majorities.
Putting a tree in which you have both fiqh madhaheb and different creeds is quite odd. And what you said about atharism that even verifying the truth was blameworthy or something.. like please mention your sources this sounds like a way to ridicule the school.
Hi Hmzzrg. The tree was one way that I could link what you say as an oddity, linking sects with islamic law schools and other divisions. The intent was to include all that separate the Muslim faith. It might not be an exact scientific approach but I felt that the data could be well presented in that matter, especially when you have one division branching off from another and then another.
LOL@ "Current Era." It is 632, Anno Domini. THE YEAR OF OUR LORD! It doesn't matter what you rename it. It is still dated to the birth of Christ, who is King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
@tareqkandari7277
Joe Biden’s said he condemn the word Intifada. Intifada is Biblical Hebrew and Eli = Ali. Benjamin =Bin +Yemen 🇾🇪. Muslim and Islam are also Biblical Hebrew words.
once you deviant from the teachings of the Quran and Alhadith you are misguided.
Some of the sects or branches are not accurately branches …most are within Sunni orthodox Islam , but still good video
Agreed Ziarehman3387 but they do present a slightly altered belief or practice system. Thank you for your insight.
Who gets to decide what is orthodox? Just because a larger number of people follow it? Majority has always been deviated and cursed in the Quran. The path if truth is difficult and only a minority are upon it. And Sunni Islam came into being much much later, it is basically born out rulers that ruled Muslims and history. Shia Islam was taught by the Prophet (pbuh) and his Imams (as) of his lineage.
90% sunni doesnt sound so divided
80% Sunni. But within Sunnis there are many schools and creed. So yes on the surface a vast majority but when looking deeper not so.
the sunni majaority is terribly divided and suffers from a host of sub sects
@zak992
I don't know anything and I haven't watched yet! But no matter what it is, divisions are what humanity is in this world or universe or in the Qur’aan (Al-Ḥayaatu) Ad-Dunyaa = The Lower / The Nearer (Life)! In other words, without division, there would be no plurality and diversity of both living creatures and non-living, = processes of evolutionary formation, in which humanity stands out, and that "stand out" for good or bad is what corresponds to Allaah’s creation of Aadam aligned with Al-Malaaʼikat (corresponding to Allaah’s As-Samaawaat) and the negative reaction to Allaah’s command to prostrate to Aadam (as the representative symbolism of Allaah’s entire creation in a physical finite of dual perspective in one person corresponding to the middle of Allaah’s creation / evolution "as Allaah is Non-Physical Infinite = Al-Ḥayyu Al-Qayyuumu" in the Earth Al-Jannat) that reveals the lowest of Allaah’s created, and as a result Allaah returned Aadam to the lowest of the low that we are as opposed to Al-Ḵaaliq / Al-ḵallaaq: Allaah / Ar-Raḥmaan being the Great / the Higher, so as to Ibliis that's the name of Al-Jaann also known as Aš-Šayṭaan fulfill his threat (self-selectively corresponding to Aš-Šams "in internal physical light of Al-Naar, representative symbolism of the entirety of the physical creation", the self-ousting opposite to Allaah’s selection to represent His entirety of His creation / evolution out of the Earth Al-Jannat as the middle representative) that leads to the split of Aadam into two separate bodies of male and female, out the three of them collapsed into one another forming this universe world of the plurality and the diversity, = Ad-Dunyaa! for separation at Yawmu-dDiini into two: back the final stage of everlasting Life with Allaah or remain in this earth of Ad-Dunyaa live the life of death forever!
Duality = Nuurun ᶜalaa Nuurin!
19:31 thanks
Thank you Sherry for your support.
We have new sect Madkhalis who worship bin salman . Anyone who criticises Saudi government will be labelled as khawarij
I don't think that is a religious sect, maybe more strictly a socio political movement.
@@thekandarichronicles you are right . I just add it a bit sarcasm . Madkhalis is kinda new movement among salafiyah . Since Saudi adopting secular agendas. Madkhalis preaching criticism against rulers is action of khawarij . Majority salafi mosques in Europe run by Madkhalis.
@@HMD1986- So-called Madkhaliya isn't even a sect or an active movement. It's just used like a derogatory term by Shia, Sufis and Ikhwaanis to spread their Anti-Saudi sentiments
You see OUR PROPHET pbuh SAW taught us the UMMAH. Musa Alesalam
pbuh Ummah will have 71
sects 70 on there way to Hell only one on the straight path .Isa Alesalam pbuh Ummah will have 72 sects 71 on there way to Hell only one on the straight path.my Ummah will have 73 sects 72 on there way to Hell ONLY one one on the straight path
"وما اختلفتم فيه من شيء فحكمه إلى الله."
The tàfsir : the one who is going to Jannah is the one who is not under any of those 70/71/72 sècts.
They are those who learn jùdaìsm/christianity/islam sìncerely without any biàs towàrds anyone and always looking for the truth.
Even if the cònclùsion is dìffèrènt for eàch of them. Because Allah doesn't give the same braìn càpabilìty for everyone, and yet He looks on their ìntèntiòn.
They are the one who will be the fòllòwer of Al Mahdi, while many will be against him, due to their biàs to their own sèct.
You should read the HOLLY QUR'AN and understand ONLY then
preach
I’m not entirely sure what you mean by preaching. There is no preaching. Just presenting facts about the subdivisions In Islam. Without any criticism or bias.
Islam 73 sects
Christianity There are more than 45,000 denominations globally. 😂
I am not an expert but I have been made aware of this. But sects are different to denominations so there is that to analyse.
@@thekandarichroniclesJohn 17:22
that all of them may be one
what about the different version of Bible? You have the Roman Catholics 73 books, the Protestant Bible 66 and the Ethiopic Bible 84 and there others if different version.
Islam
We only have only one Quran.
are you a shia?
Because of different ethnicities.
Indo-Iranians, Turkic tribes, Egyptians, Syrians, Mesopotamians, North Africans…etc.
Islam should have been an ethno-religious tradition practiced by Arabian tribes. At the very least led exclusively by Arabians. It wouldn’t have been corrupted if it was done this way.
You sound like a bitter non Muslim that didn't watch the video and wants Islam even more divided. And it didn't get corrupted sorry man as much as you wish it did we still have the preserved Word of Allah, in which He tells us that the dusbelievers wish we would disbelieve so we could be equal.
I don't believe it has anything to do with ethnicities, but with knowledge and faith. Islam spread faster than knowledge, so some new Muslims' hearts remained attached to their old ways or faiths. However, new Muslims significantly contributed to preserving Islamic knowledge, exemplified by Bukhari.
My comment was deleted what a joke. This is some kaffffir that wants to see the Ummah even more divided and sorry not sorry our message is not corrupted
@@sumiahaltalhi4767
Just as the Abbasids were Persianized, so was Islam. Islam became a method of control for any new dynasty that came to power. And so it was easily influenced by ruling dynasties and their ethnically different populations. This isn’t really an issue if you study anthropology and sociology.
Muwatta Imam Malik is the only historically authentic source of prophetic tradition given that he was a Hejazi himself and having compiled it to a much closer time period to the actual events.
@@shahriar4706_
The Arabian tribal system was based on votes, just like early Islamic votes for a new leader.
The Shias aren’t interested in that, they’re more about dynasties and blood lines.
As the host has correctly described, the Prophet (SAS) DID publicly nominate his Successor as Ali Bin AbuTalib at Ghadir Khumm, during the last month(s) of his life. This unanimously is widely reported & accepted, by Shai & Sunnis alike, as this was widely witnessed by hundreds of Muslims on the way back from his final pilgrimage. Why Abu Bakr and Omer participated in a Shura of five (that deliberately excluded the Prophets family), immediately after the death of our Prophet (PBUH), that nominated Abu Bakr as 1st Caliph, is anyones guess! I personally think it was to Hijack leadership from the already nominated Ali Bin AbuTalib. This apparently precipitated the primary split and birthed Sunni sect.
Thanks MME7101 for your elaboration. I don't go into the intentions of anyone to be honest. We are way beyond that in the here and now. But when we whittle it down to the fundamentals we all believe and practice in an extremely similar manner.
Another paradox worth noting is that the first two Sunni elected Caliphs (Abu Bakr & Omer) were quick to cover tracks of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) authentic Hadiths by Abu Bakr sponsoring a collection & surprise burning of Hadiths. This incident was reported by Aisha (Abu Bakr's daughter). Later Abu Bakr and Omer were quick to put a ban on first hand reports of the Sera (Biography & Hadiths of the Holy Prophet). Meanwhile, writings were encouraged to fan their own Caliphates achievements... This is precisely why the oldest Biography (Ibn Issak) about Prophet Muhammad (SAS) dates back 150yrs AFTER his passing, and Hadith compilations by Bukhari, Muslim, etc were compiled 200 years after our Prophet. So much for the Shura elected Sunni Caliphs preserving the Sunnah of our Prophet!
they weren't even elected and especially the second
Sorry bro ..your Koran has had too many abrogations telling a tale that the God you claim is very inconsistent in his whispered messages ..it doesn't show a God who can determine a simple message or teaching to humans without correcting himself...
Sorry bro..I don't know what religion you believe in but Islam is the most reliable religion in the world. If you look at Judaism, Jewish tradition states that Prophet Moses wrote the Torah in the 2nd millennium BC, but in present world The final Torah is widely seen as a product of the Persian period (539-332 BCE, probably 450-350 BCE), Hundreds of years of anonymous authors wrote the Torah. The same goes for Christianity, The first published bible that was given to the public was in the year 1454 or 1455. The Bible has 66 books and the authors of these books are all anonymous and written over a millennium. now on to Islam. According to Sunni Muslim tradition it was Abu Bakr (r. 632-634), the first caliph, who compiled The Quran, and Uthman (r. 644-656) the third caliph and Scholars who memorised the Quran from directly Prophet Muhammad SAW himself were alive during the time of the Prophet Muhammad SAW and his death, canonized the standard version of Quran since accepted and used by all Muslims worldwide. The first written Quran (The Birmingham Quran) was written 20 years after the death of the Prophet Muhammad SAW. And the Birmingham Quran is exactly the same as the Quran that we Muslim read today. And you may say there are different versions of the Quran, not there are not. Those Qurans are just written in different dialects, which have the same meaning. The Prophet Muhammad SAW himself after he heard someone reciting the Quran differently said that his recitation is accepted. Even if you could disprove the Quran, I'd rather be an Atheist than believe in Christianity or Judaism. And for Buddhism, it really isn't a religion, it's just a philosophical way of thinking, That we must abandon everything to achieve as "state" of "enlightenment"
You clearly don't know what you're talking about
@@Wandering_Owl it's not me . Wondering Owl..can you answer me why the Satanic verses were abrogated...? I am wondering how a God can allow Satan to cheat him ?