Fallout 4: A Commonwealth Government, Military, and Raider War
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 มิ.ย. 2024
- A Fallout 4 speculative/fanfic style video. In this video I explore the future of the Commonwealth in a Post-Institute world. This video touches on a future Commonwealth Government, early challenges faced by said government, and the Commonwealth Minutemen and Military forces. All of it made up of course.
0:00 - Reconstruction
03:30 - The Raider Skirmishes
07:55 - A Proper Force
12:48 - Brotherhood-Railroad Skirmishes - เกม
Bobrov crying about having to pay taxes just makes so much sense
Yeah, it's also cool seeing a sort of NCR Ranger/Trooper split amongst the Minutemen ranks.
@@kikrinman1450 Ye I liked that to
This is literally America after the revolution
Oh no it’s not, since for at least 10 years after the war ended there was the very weak Articles of Confederation government which had to ask for states to pay it taxes. After the whiskey rebellion there was calls for a new stronger federal government and the constitution and United States government was eventually created.
good story but the AI voice is horrible
This isn't copyright infringement? Come on, you're using ron perlmans voice and paying him nothing....
@@polydypsia6424 you can’t copyright somebody’s voice.
Sons like Ron pearlman to me which is awesome
“Actual development in terms of governance and moving forward? In my Wasteland? This is Fallout, get outta here!”
-Todd Howard probably
I am sure Megton and Rivet City have there own alliance and is moving forward in the Capital Wasteland since the super mutant threat is gone, and Project Purity active.
@@pmpowaliszBOS probably controlling them somehow.
it came from Chris Allevone as well acutally. Project van Buren (Black Isle's cancelled Fallout 3, still took place in the far west) which is where ideas that Shady Sands is nuked out came from.
other Post Apoc genre often ended with humanity never redevelops civilizations, but not every story ended that way. Walking Dead ending did ended with a new nation, as well as oldworld bureaucracy re emerges.)
@@DiscothecaImperialis Ik that. But even with them nuked, there was still semblance of governance and many of the other settlements had a “glow up”/major improvements. The NCR didn’t come into some standstill, its military weren’t some cobbled up militia. The NCR was still a country, a major power. As a matter of fact, you could have this trait in Van Buren called “NCR background” where as an NCR citizen, gain bonuses and extra insight when dealing with fellow citizens or when going to NCR locations.
@@pmpowalisz Rivet City itself is dismantled, several members moved out elsewhere, the Brotherhood might have give them a tract of land to settle.
This explains two things in Fallout 4
1. The Prydwen. original parts came from Enclave Mobile Base, it took many years to complete, other parts came from an aircraft carrier that originally made Rivet City. including fusion reactors.
2. RJ McCready is hanging out in The Third Rail, inside the Good Good Good Good Neighbour. one o two conversation with him revealed what he did after he left Lamplight City as per city rules, he became a hitman. and after Arthur Maxson became BoS Eastcoast Chapter Elder, the Brotherhood became de-facto government of the Capitol Wasteland, a very effective one that pacified the entire DC metropolitan ruins. this drove all Super Mutants north, as well as Talon Company purged. he had to quit his job for several years, met Lucy, found a family, he settle down at one point until lucy died, and his son contract a diseases. one that requires a specialized drug for a cure. the drug that can only be found somwhere in the Commonwealth. at this point he resumed his job as a hitman.
This reminds me of nexbil01s fallout videos. Dunno if you’ve heard of him but keep up the good work. Great story.
I have heard of him actually. I discovered him by chance when this video was about ~50% done. It's actually what inspired me to finish this video because I about to abandon it after I saw just how much work it was going to take to complete.
And thanks, I'm glad you've enjoyed it. I'll probably have another video out either tomorrow or possibly later today so keep an eye out for that if you want to see more.
@@doubtitt I’ve always been a big fan of fallout and these sorts of post game lore videos and I can’t wait to see where this story goes. You’ve earned yourself a subscriber so I hope this series continues for a while. Good job.
Finally a man of culture
@@doubtitt same this reminds me of his video's.
Maybe do a collab one day.
I usually use the BoS as the military and the Minutemen as the police. Using the military to crush the institute and railroad and keeping the Minutemen policing the settlements. I feel like this dynamic would lead to a better future for the Commonwealth.
This is pretty much the way I'd imagine the BOS would govern the Capital wasteland and its other territories.
There is some autonomy amongst the towns/nations and they have their own small military force, but the BOS are the primary military force of the region. I was going to do a community post about it, but never got around to it.
The reason why I didn't choose this for the Commonwealth is that I wanted them to retain their autonomy. If you are dependent on another power for your defense then you will be subject to their whims. I also think that many people in the Commonwealth would not be fond of the BOS's presence in the Commonwealth.
I think this path is better for the Commonwealth in the long term, even if it means they will face more challenges along the way.
Unfortunately due to lore the brotherhood would disagree due to their ideologies, they would more than likely would become an advisory.
Unlikely. The BoS were never interested in ruling or policing, their ambitions are centered around safekeeping tech above all else
It's funny because I prefer Institute-Minutemen playthroughs. So the comparison, at least directly applied, is a bit off in my case. I switch it around in turn: Institute I consider like background backers and special forces that only come in and topside if need be, otherwise they stay in the background. So for me, the Minutemen are more like the military and in certain settlements, I like to institute (no pun intended) sort of like actual police or security officers wearing similar police clothing.
E: Just like for Vault 88, I use Vault Security instead of police.
well Arthur Maxson would have insisted that the Brotherhood of Steel be allowed to clear out any known camp of super mutants and feral ghouls in the Commonwealth and in return the government allows and assists (mostly information) with the procurement of advanced technology as well as allowing volunteer recruitment efforts into the Brotherhood of Steel. This would have happened as soon as the new government was created and would have meant that the Minuteman and militias would only have to deal with the raiders and wild life. See Arthur Maxson would have studied the western BOS chapters dealings with the NCR, and would have wanted to ensure that the people of the commonwealth felt no need for a central military. A civilian central government and organized militias are all well and good but a central military could prove too much a threat to Brotherhood of Steel interests. Honestly central militaries can be too costly for small nations anyways, and in the end it likely led the NCR into decline. There was real clues to this decline even in New Vegas, New Vegas coming out in the aftermath of the second Iraq war is no coincidence whatsoever for the writers of that game.
we need mods that make this a reality
The Sole Survivor received 100% of the vote. Just ignore the armed guards threatening people at the poll booths.
this should of been dlc to rebuild the commonwealth after the main story with conflicts between the surviving groups and the struggle to form an actual government and military to defend it
That would've been a pretty cool dlc. Something like that could have even been part of the main game. I would go into detail on how, but your comment gave me a pretty good idea for a future "Rewriting Fallout 4's Story" video so thanks for that lol.
Thanks for watching. Glad you're enjoying the videos.
@@doubtitt no problem, by all means please create more fallout 4 story videos. :)
Brings me back to real Fallout, fantastic work.
It's like a real ending slide
Great video! Very detailed, I liked how you continued the conflict between the railroad and the bos. That was something that bugged me about the endgame if you did a certain quests in a certain order that the conflict is just magically resolved and it adds closure to what happens with some of the synths after the destruction of the institute. Aswell as other aspects and conclusions that i had come too in my head cannon like minuteman being separate from any commonwealth force so well done
This is great! Keep going! Makes me happy! ☺️
I found this by just chance and am happy I found this I wish more people would make videos like you and nex. Creating and showing your own story how the game goes after the main events. I hope to see someone do BoS some day
The community is still pretty small. In part due to creators avoiding it since it's basically fanfiction and it has pretty bad rep on the internet. It's also pretty niche. Not many people are interested in stuff that isn't canon so it wont ever be as popular as lore videos. Regardless I think the community will continue to grow if new creators continue to pop up in the scene with their own stories every now and then.
Thanks for watching. Hope you'll continue to enjoy the videos.
@@doubtitt indefinitely I’m watching till the story ends even watched the most recent one with RR rebellion, and your right people like lore friendly stuff but be the same people to praise story mods that strive off the actual story making their own like California, and then complain that fallout 4 story is bland. Creators like you give me playthrough ideas and more game time on fallout
this is so great! thank you for this video, i enjoyed it very much.
Nate the rake ending
and now for the rest of the story ! love this
Glad you're enjoying it so far. Definitely stick around if you want to see more future Fallout content.
I really like this so much
This is AWESOME!!!!!!! GREAT video?!!!!!
God bless minutemen.
For the United Commonwealths of new Amerika.
Keep up the great minutemen videos.
Got to love the ron perlman voiceover, great video!
This just dropped across my feed today. I'm subscribed now. Good work.
I Wonder how wise it was to let the bos punk them like that 🤔 only time will tell. I'm interested in seeing more of these. Keep up the good work.
Thanks, more coming soon.
War never changes.
This reconfirms my hatred for Preston if Preston just died we wouldn't have taxes
Loving this video, reminds me so much of my fallout days, please continue making videos.
Thanks, I'm glad you're enjoying the content. The next video is already in the works.
how are you so underrated, this is great work
Appreciate it. Hope you'll continue to enjoy the videos.
Diamond Dity the AI said XD 😂
Love it man keep it up
Thanks for watching and I certainly intend to do more.
This is canon to me
Goes from Ron Perelman to John Malkovitch
The Sole Survivor would probably end up in a similar situation to Tandi: Forced to be President for the rest of his life because all other options suck
It's a possibility, but in this timeline he just retires after his 2nd term. He's a sort of George Washington figure for the Commonwealth.
This is why you need automaton and contraptions, just build a robot army en masse so you don't have to conscript people.
Great videos
最近Fallout4始めたばかりだけどミニッツメンルート行った後の主人公がこうやって連邦を再建していって奇しくもそれがかつてのアメリカのような歴史を辿っていくの滅茶苦茶好きなので応援してます！
would love to see this as a mod tbh
the railroad never survives
it's time to collab with Nexbil and release the most awaited Sole Survivor and Minutemen conquers East USA.
This deserves way more views
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it.
Since the show is apparently making the NCR fall apart, I hope that the Commonwealth Canon is the creation of a new country forged by Nate.
Like how fallout 1 would lead to the NCR, Fallout 4 could lead to the United Commonwealth.
Nate is more like a George Washington figure. He's there for a while, but not really by choice. After a couple of years he retires from politics, but the Commonwealth continues to grow under different leadership.
Can i ask how the Railroad still exists after the institute is destroyed? What is it's goal?
After the destruction of the Institute there was still a lot of synths around. The Railroad stayed around to help them either escape the Commonwealth or settle in it without anyone knowing of their past.
It's important to remember that the Commonwealth is still very bigoted. Your average Commonwealth citizen isn't very fond of Synths, Ghouls, or other mutants. Thus Synths are still being persecuted by both, the Commonwealth people and by the government.
The Railroad has also switched from an anti-Institute to a anti-Brotherhood sentiment. The Brotherhood continues their witch hunts in search of any surviving synths. Apart from keeping synths safe from the BOS, the Railroad also benefits from the anti-Brotherhood sentiment amongst the Commonwealth populace. Many people within the Commonwealth see the Brotherhood as foreign occupiers. Since at the moment the government is pursuing cooperation with the Brotherhood, the Railroad has been able to get some of the more hardline Commonwealth Nationalist on their side.
Later on during the Railroad Rebellion the Railroad becomes the face of the Anti-War and Anti-Government movement making them more relevant that ever. My newest video explores the Railroad Rebellion a bit more if you're interested in learning more.
you're in my recommended now xd
So I don't know how many people know this but Bosco was actually infected with rabies which is likely why he took multiple bullets to take down
Is that a function post-nuclear society!? AAAAHHHHH SAVE ME NUKEMAN!!!!
subscribed.
This is badass
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it.
The brotherhood will fall
0:36 This means destroying two other rival factions quests aren't pursued. abitta kanon.
Well you can do minuteman ending where all major factions comes to ceasefire
@@alexref6074 this also fits well with TV Series.
Personally The Commonwealth Government Military should now becomes 'Regularized' since Nate was once a member of United States Army. and Standing Army is proven superior to Militias like Minutemen.
But it doesn't mean All Minutemen has to become Regulars, they will be Homeguards.
and there's a good reason The Commonwealth Government needs to have standing army. The Brotherhood of Steel in itself is a professional army. In a landgrab that is likely comes shortly later, they might meet again as rivals anywhere south of Boston Metropolis, probably somewhere in New York, or even Empire Bay (Mod Potential :P :P :P )
@@DiscothecaImperialis i think it will look something like that:
Minutemans will be devided into millitia and army
Settlementer enlists in minuteman millitia and then he either becomes "home guardian" and patrol's settlement similar to sole survivor way by getting a words from another settlements that needs their squad help, or becomes scavenger, getting resources for minuteman, then as time passes if settlementer proved having needed skills and knowledge he or she can join army where he or she gets better training and continues service as a soldier, soldiers gets paid more and has better food and etc and respected in commonwealth society which makes joining army popular among young people
@@DiscothecaImperialis also I'd like to imagine that Nate will use mechanist facility to create assaulttrons, eyebots and other robots that will be used in battlefield in extra situations because dunno about eyebots but assaulttrons at least for me was a serious opponent in early game
@@alexref6074 did he has any knowledge of the existence of monocyclic Securitrons? because there's none available in Automatron DLC.
in addition Mechanist Facility should be the place that he or anyone else within the Commonwealth Government built the first automotives, or at least horsebots to facilitate fast travel. so to even the odds with the Brotherhood of Steel.
And don't forget that more of heavy duty constructor protrectrons or Mr. Handy are all must be built. War is not everything that keeps the American Commonwealth alive. it is civil engineering that allows infrastructures like highways and railways (the term should be used, since 'Railroad' in Fallout 4 context, is taken by an underground movement as a name for themselves to smuggle Synths out of the Institute clutch), regional centralized electricity and even waterworks and irrigations, as well as other civil service offices like schoolhouses, police stations, court of justice, fire brigade, prisons and so on to exists.
While it is possible to build Five or Six Storrey building with simple workshops, Subways as well as other aforemented serious engineerings requires more.
one have protagonist still holding the wheel and another are not
Do you have a modlist for the mods added?
No, but if there's anything specific that sticks out to you then I can probably find it for you.
@@doubtitt Some of the melee weapons mods would be cool to have, such as the billhook-looking weapon at 6:24, if it isn’t too much trouble
@@graysuka Pretty sure that's just included in the Super Mutant Redux mod. It spawns on the Night Kin.
Link:
www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/11853
@@doubtitt Thanks! I’ll be sure to check it out if I ever get back into modding
i subscribed
Glad to hear it. More content coming soon. Thanks for watching and subscribing.
Father Drip.
When’s part 2 ?
I skipped a bit in the timeline, but the Gunner War video is what comes after this one. That's already up on the channel.
A new enclave?
Nah, the Enclave is still around.
create another NCR? new vegas taught us what the flaws of a democracy in a wasteland could be after the general's death.
How so?
New 13 coloneis Republic or sum shit lol
You do know that out of all possible endings, the one with the Minutemen and both Brotherhood & Railroad alive seems to be the least likely canon, right?
For example, Glory who is meant to die in every other route (even the RR's) can survive in that ending, and yet her fellow RR members will still speak as if she had died, even with her standing right next to them. Maxson will have no dialogues at all and I have heard people saying that Dr Li disappears from the game, among other things.
Look, it's no secret that the MM are the Yes Man option of FO4, the failsafe or last resort to end the game if you ruin your relationship with the other factions, and their "main quest" definitely shows that, feeling quite rushed and minimalist.
Also, the Minutemen is the one faction that can be fully irrelevant to the main plot, with their only additional interaction in any other faction's route being in the Institute's Pinned quest, where they are called to guard a scientists that the Institute wants to recruit. The worst part? If you haven't helped Preston & rebuilt the MM by that point in the Institute's questline, the Minutemen guarding the scientist are simply replaced by Gunners.
On the other hand, the fact that Shaun also dies in every ending seemed like the perfect reason to justify the Sole Survivor depressing and choosing to go down the overboss route with the Nuka World raiders. Given the huge disparity in content with the Nuka World DLC between helping the raiders or killing them, I think it makes the most sense to assume that canonically the Sole Survivor did join the raiders and became overboss. Also, Far Harbor's "best" ending, peace between all 3 factions, basically comes down to pull out the same synth replacement tactic that the Institute is so much criticized for, with any other ending requiring to wipe out at least one faction.
Plus, between Nuka World adding the raider outposts & vassal settlements options, and the vanilla game giving you the option to help settlements by yourself, no Minutemen involved and settlers thanking you directly, I think the impact of the MM faction can be quite minimal.
Lastly, it's easy to put the blame for every bad thing that happens in the Commonwealth on the Institute, but let's not forget that a lot of the problems, even some which the Institute are blamed for, weren't actually their fault. Take the exile of ghouls from Diamond City for an instance. Leaving aside when McDonough was replaced (for starters personally I think it makes more sense to replace the winning candidate after he has already been elected), which could be worth its own discussion, the choose the exile of ghoul because the upper stand residents didn't like having them in the city and proposing their exile earned McDonough their support and in turn the position of Mayor.
For all the talk about the Institute wiping out towns, the only one we actually know about was University Point, and they didn't just waltz in without warning and began killing everything: Kellogg gave them 2 days to turn over the data, and while the mayor wasn't sure Kellogg was from the Institute he did admit he looked like a dangerous man a and real threat, so he gave the situation the due importance by... waiting a day to call in a council meeting the following day, which ended with the decision to cast a vote... the next day, you know, when Kellogg's 2 day time limit expired... (sigh). Democracy in action!
Also, from the internal email communications it seemed that fighting was about the breakout within the settlement (and I would even suspect it could have started out and that could have also triggered Kellogg to act in advance of the time limit expiring, in order to prevent the data from being lost in the infighting), with Kellogg's initial request to have the pre-war data turned in to him, twisted through gossip into Kellogg demanding that the girl whom found the data, Jacqueline, was also turned in (whom some settlers also began accusing of being a synth) and furthermore twisted into the Institute coming for all of the settlement's children and/or them having planted a nuke in town which will detonate if the settlement doesn't turn in their full harvest to the Institute, as can be read in the settlements email system. In one of the last emails, a friend of Gerald's (Jacquline's father) also warned him to leave town since their neighbors were about to turn on them.
And among all this, Gerald was the one person most convinced that Kellogg was just a con man trying to get the data for free and therefore the person most against to giving him the data, which basically sealed the town's fate.
Ironically, University Point is also used as an example of synths being used to wipe out towns and then scavenge them for resources, but that is in fact not the case: the presence of the synths there 2 years later is due to them unable to find the data the were after, which the SS can find and learn the painful truth: while the data was indeed about reactor, the research ultimately proved to be unsuitable for reactor development and instead diverted into weapons development, resulting in the unique laser pistol Prototype UP77, whose never ending legendary effect is canonically the result of this research.
But I digress. In short, I just don't see a scenario where the MM can be the canonical ending to Fallout 4 (specially when factoring in NW and even FH), despite some people really liking them, some of which I assume are likely NCR fans whom wish they were the equivalent of the NCR on the east coast.
1. Minutemen are the most likely. They are clearly Bethesda's favorite faction for FO4. You meet them first, you can join them regardless of who you side with, they are tied to the settlemnt system which was a huge selling point for FO4, and it keeps things open for the writers incase they want to revisit the region/factions in the future.
2. Bethesda doesn't like to give canon endings so it doesn't matter anyways.
3. I wasn't looking for the most likely to be cannon ending. I just wanted to write a cool story.
@@doubtitt 1. Given how badly fleshed out they are, specially their main quest, they definitely don’t seem to be Bethesda’s favorite faction (which evidently is the BoS and not just in this game). The quest to help Preston is an optional side quest, to the point that Preston has unique dialogue if you wait to meet him until AFTER finishing the main quest. And as already mentioned, you can help settlements and build them up without ever joining the MM, again making them an optional aspect of settlement building, and with rather little impact: for comparison, NW’s raider outposts & vassal settlements provide significantly more different alternatives.
2. As someone who always blows up the Citadel, that definitely doesn’t feel the case for me. In fact I think the FO4 BoS would make more sense as a result of that ending, losing both Elder Lyons and Sarah as a direct consequence and allowing the Outcasts to impose themselves over the remnants of Lyons group, leading to the formation of a BoS that refocus on the traditional ideals of the original faction.
3. Fair enough, though again, for some people it is not different from imagining if the Master continued his plan, or either incarnation of the Enclave won. An interesting thought experiment, but that’s about it.
@@ZeonicFenrir
How are you going to say "fair enough" after you completely missed the point lol. It's not a "thought experiment". It's just a story. You wouldn't look at something like Star Wars and go "Ah yes this is a nice thought experiment on how a world might develop if space wizards existed, but that's about it".
Also, if you don't like it then just don't watch. This is a small corner of the internet, it's not like the content is being shoved in your face. Idk why you feel the need to take time out of your day to come here and be an ass.
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@@doubtitt most likely? Based on what? Bethesdas favourite faction is obviously the brotherhood of steel, which is the reason why they show up in every game, even if they have no business being there.
And now that the fallout show aired, we do know that the minutemen ending is off the table, because the Prydwen is still around.
I don't even dislike the fan fiction idea you spun up here, but the minutemen ending doesn't seem to have any chance of being canon, unless we hear otherwise in the future, the brotherhood seems to be the most likely candidate.
Where do you get the Ai voice
11 labs
Yuck! Concentrating power like that was what led to the poccy-clips in the first place! I'd have preferred a minutemen style system, kind of like the barbarian tribes of pre-Rome, where they come together to tackle threats but are left alone the rest of the time.
I chose a centralized democratic government for a couple of reasons.
1. I want to draw a lot from US history and a non-centralized government would complicate that.
2. It feels like the most natural evolution from the decentralized structure that the Minutemen have. The downfall of the Minutemen clearly showcase the weakness of a decentralized system.
3. I'm biased and like the US gov system (for the most part anyways lol).
Though I don't mean to portray it as perfect. As the story progresses I want to showcase the flaws and make critiques. Also I want to explore different factions through out Post-War North America all with their own form of government. Got some factions in mind like a Monarchist Canada, Syndicalist Colorado, Native American Inspired Nations in OK/TX and NY/PA, and a Mongol/Hun inspired faction somewhere in the Great Plains. Though most of these are still underdeveloped and will be a while till they are ready for their own video.
Basically I want the Commonwealth's story to mirror that of the US and possibly use it to make some critiques of the system through story. Assuming my writing is good enough to do so effectively lol.
Thanks for watching.
Ausitm
You clearly know your way around civics and political science, however the Brotherhood of Steel would have played a larger role than you let on. Arthur Maxson would have insisted that the Brotherhood of Steel be allowed to clear out any known camp of super mutants and feral ghouls in the Commonwealth and in return the commwealth communities allows and assists (mostly information) with the procurement of advanced technology as well as allowing volunteer recruitment efforts into the Brotherhood of Steel. This would have started even before the new government was created and would have meant that the Minuteman and militias would only have to deal with the raiders and wild life. See Arthur Maxson would have studied the western BOS chapters dealings with the NCR, and would have wanted to ensure that the people of the commonwealth felt no need to create a central military. A civilian central government and organized militias are all well and good but a central military could prove too much a threat to Brotherhood of Steel interests in the region. Honestly central militaries can be too costly for small nations anyways, and in the end it likely led the NCR into decline. There was real clues to this decline even in New Vegas, which the New Vegas game coming out in the aftermath of the second Iraq war is no coincidence whatsoever for the writers of that game.
The system you describe is pretty much how the East Coast BOS operates within its own borders. However, the Commonwealth is different because of a couple of factors:
1. Nate worked with the BOS so Maxson trust him and later his successor to not turn against the BOS.
2. The Commonwealth people have a more anti-BOS stance which makes it more difficult for the BOS to gain influence over the Commonwealth people. Most are at the very least wary of the BOS. To the people the BOS are a foreign occupation force not a savior.
3. The choice to create a proper military was done specifically to ensure the Commonwealth could remain independent. Later presidents like Gallows and Grant continued this approach by trying to stay on good terms with the BOS, but not giving up the nation's autonomy. This is pretty much the approach of most nations in our own world. It's good to have access to the protection and/or economy of a bigger power, but not at the cost of your own sovereignty.
4. It's also important to consider the BOS's ability to maintain power in the Commonwealth and CW region. The distance is pretty significant considering the lack of infrastructure. If the BOS is focusing its efforts in the Commonwealth, then that leaves the CW exposed to attacks and vice versa. The BOS is strong at this point, but not that strong.
5. Lastly, the East Coast BOS is different from the West Coast. The West Coast was close minded and small as an organization. The East Coast is the opposite. Maxson isn't worried about being severely outnumbered because unlike the West Coast, the East is constantly expanding. The Commonwealth is also pretty distant, so there isn't the same worry that they'll be able to launch an attack on the BOS capital. They just aren't in a vulnerable position like the West Coast BOS was.
The west coast is an even larger area than the east coast, and while the western Brotherhood of Steel chapters were much more isolationist in nature, they had well over a century to internally grow their numbers (there wouldn’t have been a East coast chapter otherwise). NCR President Tandy’s administration was on peaceful terms with the western Brotherhood of Steel chapters, but her successor served only one term before being voted out of office and replaced with a hawkish administration. The thing about democratic nations is that entire domestic and foreign policies can drastically change with the mood swings of the voting populations. Relations with the NCR and BOS eventually deteriorated into all out war with the BOS initially having the upper hand. However the BOS isolationist policies meant that they were unable to replace their losses, and the NCR eventually outnumbered them and gave them defeat after defeat (the BOS managed to destroy the NCR gold reserves though). Arthur Maxson would absolutely have that history in mind with his dealings with the commonwealth leadership. Sure a Commonwealth central military would be less threatening, but Elder Maxson would have no idea how capable the BOS leadership would be at the time (for one example), so it would be best to ensure that there is no Commonwealth central military for the Commonwealth to wage war against the BOS in the first place. When the BOS does its blitz campaign against the super mutants and feral ghoul concentrations, the BOS’s popularity within the commonwealth will soar. The true beauty of the BOS offering military protection for things well organized local militias can’t handle is that outside of advanced technology, voluntary recruitment, and possibly a reasonable tribute system (all would be far cheaper than having a central military), the BOS will have no interest in local governance, so the Commonwealth will have enough autonomy to satisfy the people and whatever civilian government they chose.
@@pmpowalisz There's no beauty in being a subject to another state. It's also not true that the BOS has no interest in local governance. They are driven by ideology like any other faction and they won't allow their subjects to enact policies that will oppose their ideology.
Your proposed arrangement only works if both sides are on board. In this timeline the Commonwealth is not. They prioritize their sovereignty. The only alternative for the BOS would be to wage war and while they might be successful in destroying the central government, in the end it would just result in an insurgency. They would have to somehow subjugate a people who despise them, have grown up in an extremely hostile environment, and one who just finished up a war against a more technologically advanced foe which resulted in increased morale for the people and also produced veterans who are not strangers to war.
Now combine that with the fact the BOS would need to maintain a large presence in the region to maintain control, meanwhile, other factions in the wasteland expand their power. It also creates a major vulnerability for the BOS. If a faction like the Enclave wants to weaken the BOS, then they could start a proxy war in the region. This would pretty much result in something similar to what happened with the NCR. The BOS would be expanding too quickly and it would quickly find it made a major mistake by getting into a conflict it could not win quickly.
The cost would be too high for the BOS.
@@doubtitt the beauty is that the Brotherhood of Steel is NOT a state, nor will it likely ever be one. It is a techno religious/militant order that takes no instructions from any upper hierarchy, and there is literally no historical comparison to the BOS (even if you take out the techno bit). I did not say the Brotherhood of Steel would not have any interest in local governance. I said there would be no interest in local governance OUTSIDE of advanced technology, voluntary recruitment, and a possible reasonable tribute system. The BOS specific ideology that Elder Maxson himself has spouted would guarantee this great amount of autonomy for local communities and whatever government they chose. So the sole survivor destroys the Institute with the Minuteman (they are my preferred faction to side with too, because I don’t want to destroy the Railroad). There are still a bunch of super mutant and feral ghoul threats across the Commonwealth that the Brotherhood of Steel will wipe out (on principle alone) and therefore generate a lot of good will among the people of the Commonwealth, including the Minuteman. So much good will that they will have no problem in accepting the military protection arrangement that I mentioned above (for as I said it would be far cheaper than creating and maintaining a central military). Once the things have calmed down and stabilized in the Commonwealth the BOS wouldn’t need to keep a large force there, anymore than they needed to in the Capital region. It is also worth mentioning that in the show, the LA BOS chapter Elder in his speech has said that “these orders have come from the highest clerics in the Commonwealth” (this is on top of the fact that there was a giant Pryden like airship).
where was the capital?
Concord and later it's moved to Quincy
@@doubtittalways thought sanctuary hills made more sense as capital considering that a lot of players make it a supply center and that this city in fact becomes turning point and the beginning of minuteman second sunrise , but concord fits too.
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Way better than anything Bethesda ever came up with.
Fanfiction lore. 😏
mods?
Purged my mod list like a month ago. I've listed them in the comments in the past though so you can probably find the most important ones there.
@@doubtitt thank you
God Bless America 🇺🇸 and make more
My main character who is a raider overboss never completed the main mission. This is because she does not care about her child she after all was planning to "late-term abort" (and her husband) before the bombs dropped. At any rate, after being freed from mediocrity by nuclear war, her only misson is to enslave the world under her rule, using the raiders as her main instruments. She found that the Bos and the Institute cancel each other out, so after destroying the railroad and making sure the minutemen never got any power, all is well. Everything is effectively enslaved, yet the silly Bos and institute continue fighting each other. She is however worried that the BoS will eventually leave or win, so she is focusing on developing and harvesting nuclear weapons from the nuclear zones. Her plan to nuke the BoS using mind controlled slaves and mininukes might work on on them, but the institute will require other means. Still, she is currently safe, due to the BoS being unable to work with the Institute to take her out. Surely, bigotry is her best ally.
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someone needs to get this guy a political compass... has both conservatives and progressives alllll mixed up.
What? The conservatives are limited government and the progressives are for centralization. Also, the beliefs of progressives and conservatives are changing all the time. It's all relative. The conservative of today is very different from that of 100 years ago and the same goes for progressives.
His depiction of conservatism vs. progressivism is extremely accurate given the context of the political developments in this lore he's creating. "Conservative" and "Progressive" do not explicitly and exclusively refer to the modern American Republican or Democratic parties.
Also, historically in the US's history, liberalism in general was a highly nationalistic, modern, militaristic, and progressive force, from 1776 to as late as post-World War II, so this depiction being created is more parallel to real world history than you may realize. You especially see these tendencies during the 1800s in US history, as the US expanded westward, fought the Mexican-American War, and then conquered the frontier post-Civil War. All of that expansion was justified ideologically from a framework of progressive liberalism.