0:00 Why this matters 3:44 Meet Alex Hewitson and Dr. Brad Bitner 6:16 Alex’s approach to reviewing Col in TPT 7:39 Brian Simmons’ wild claims about TPT 10:21 What are the different kinds of translations? 11:45 TPT is not a real translation 13:38 Are we being too critical of translations? 15:52 Broad Street publishing misleading people 18:20 Simmons badly wrong about “Aramaic” 32:24 Simmons makes stuff up about “tetelestai” 37:04 Testing Simmons’ claims about “love language” 41:04 Why is TPT longer than other Bibles? 44:02 Simmons translates the same Greek phrase in many different ways 46:58 Adding and subtracting from the Bible 50:19 TPT radically expands the Bible 54:21 Seeing the agenda behind TPT 59:30 What concerns me about the people who endorse TPT? 1:01:41 TPT using joint verse numbers 1:04:08 Divine titles are weird in TPT 1:13:52 How TPT softens hard teachings from the Bible 1:17:22 Translators should be invisible. Simmons is not. 1:19:13 Failure to quote scholars 1:20:35 Simmons uses outdated resources 1:23:48 Is Simmons a scholar or not? 1:28:08 Testing the “secrets” Brian says are coming from God 1:32:32 Brian Simmons homonyms are deeply concerning 1:38:30 God’s wrath is changed 1:40:40 Changing the meaning of Col 1 vs 9 1:43:38 Italics in TPT are problematic 1:45:18 TPT wrong on slaves and masters 1:48:24 TPT wrong on husbands and wives 1:54:17 TPT wrong on children and parents 1:56:15 Adds “prophetic songs” to Colossians 2:01:36 “Buzz words” in TPT don’t belong 2:04:52 Basic grammar errors show Simmons shouldn’t be translating 2:09:19 Simmons’ style replaces the biblical authors style 2:12:35 What they really think of TPT 2:14:43 Should TPT be sold in Christian bookstores? 2:15:47 Can someone get saved reading TPT? 2:18:10 How will TPT impact you if you use it? Dr. Brad Bitner's academia profile wscal.academia.edu/BradBitner Here's every video and paper in The Passion Project (including Alex's paper) biblethinker.org/index.php/the-passion-translation My website BibleThinker.org
Dear Brother Mike would you please do the same with the Enoch gnostic teaching about fallen angels mating with women in Genesis 6? This is a huge deception and people claim that the Bible clearly says this doctrine and that you don't need to read the book of Enoch, to have this view. Also, the "serpent seed" doctrine, which is just another side of the same coin. I can't wait for you to expose this doctrine of demons because you do such a faithful job! Thank you! God bless you 🕊
@@michellejohnsen912 It all depends on how you interpret who the “sons of God” are. The sons of God and daughters of humans (NIV) created the Nephilim, who were seemingly giants as described in Numbers 13:33, or at least a larger species of human. I think it’s reasonable that the sons of God could be the fallen angels who were mentioned in Jude 1:6.
@@Marlaina Matthew 22:30 Jesus says angels don't marry. I can't harmonize the idea of angels mating with humans with this clear Bible verse. I know angels can look like men when they come to earth. In the story of Lot etc. I don't think the verses sighted in support of angels mating with humans are clearly saying that. I think those verses are talking about fallen angels. Even Chuck Missler said he doesn't know how the Genesis 6 angels mated with women because they are eternal beings.
It was such a pleasure working with you and Dr. Bitner on this Mike! Very thankful for your ministry, and the work of all the other excellent scholars on the project.
Thank you so much to both Pastor Mike for initiating and sharing this project with the world, and to Alex for the tremendous effort and passion put into revealing the truth of God's word; from a fellow South African. :)
There wouldn't be a problem if he said, "He gave me a revelation, and I put it in the footnotes, so as you read absolute unaltered scripture you can evaluate what I was given". But yeah someone claiming to have a power to alter scripture is red flag material
Mike's Passion Project has been going on for a while now, I definitely recommend you check the other vids. It's very well done and extremely valuable stuff.
What an "overwhelming undertaking which Mike has been moved, by the Spirit of the Lord within him, to undertake in response to this dangerous heresy"... I think "Legend" is an appropriate summary. But it does help to be explicit every now and then. I guess what I'm trying to say that recognition of feat is not idolatry, merely respect. I'd say the same thing about Paul or Peter or John... Absolute Legends! Also, there's a hint of Karl Jobst, maybe? :D
It was this project that led me to support the ministry of Mike Winger. All this work takes time and money with the goal to warn and equip the body of Christ. A big thank you to all those who are involved in this project.
" God called me to translate the bible and give you the true word" this makes no sense lol he's basically saying God let the bible be mistranslated FOR CENTURIES and just now decided to give this man the honor of revealing the truth?
I am in total agreement with you. And to expand and expound upon your thoughts, God allowing the Bible to be mistranslated for centuries has allowed centuries of people to go to hell thinking they were believers, until this phony came along and told us that God is giving him new translations.
The both of you really hit the nail on the head. We need to pray for all the people that are *currently* being led astray by Brian Simmons heretical teachings. 2 Tim 4:2-4 is coming to mind with him not preaching the word and all these people listening to him because he is scratching their itching ears and leading them to fables of his own making.
Correct. The Bible has been horribly translated by clerks of a certain denomination who had no clue about God's intend, just like Muhammed. Still the red line is clearly visible. The original text is crystal clear: 1: God created us after His own image and likeness. 2: Man fell. That is what you see in this world: lust, greed, selfishness, strange philosophies, sicknesses, corruption, terrorism, death, etc, etc. 3: God, the spirit of life, manifests fully in Christ, pays the debt for mankinds fall so we can be indwelled again by His Spirit and be transformed back to origin. Pure grace, love, power of God for His creation. Hence the divine healing miracles and casting out of demons His first friend, i and many others experience up to this day! When Jesus said: "It is finished", He did a perfect job. Nothing to be changed by people comming after Him. Some examples of these idiotic translation errors. Saved, from the Greek Sozo means made complete, brought back to origin. Eternal life from the Greek Zoë means life of God, divine life. Wrath from the Greek Orge means PASSION. Wrath from the Greek Thumos also means PASSION. Etc, etc, etc, look it up in the Kittel Theological Dictionary or in any Greek/Hebrew Strong's app. It's there. So now we have ignorant preachers parotting the lie that we have to be saved from God's wrath by Jesus (who is God....) and "have to repent or go to hell". In stead it is: God restores us through Christ by His own atoning blood sacrifice and indwelling Holy Spirit, from mankind's fall, to His own image and likeness (Christlikeness) because of... passion. For God so loved the world.... God cannot be tempted to do evil.... There is no turning or shifting with Him.... If you don't love you don't know God, for God is love.... The goal of all instruction is... love The Father Himself loves you.... Jesus healing all..... love Jesus raising the dead..... love Jesus casting out demons.... love Jesus controlling nature..... love Etc, etc ,etc ,etc.
@@jesusdeity2010 Jesus is Good and yet Lucifer did temp Jesus in the wilderness. So you are very wrong that He cannot be tempted. ....... And what does Mohammed have to do with Biblical Christianity?
I've only recently discovered Mike Winger; this is maybe the 4th video I've watched. He totally leaves me in awe. I grew up in the church but turned away for 20 years in my teens and twenties. The Spirit called me to read Scripture cover-to-cover (Gen. To Rev.) And I came to true saving faith in my mid 30s (1989]. Since then I have read the complete Biboe repeatedly more times than I can count along with numerous word and topic studies. I received an MA. In Theology in 1999. Recently I have been reviewing my Greek and doing my own personal study /word translation using an Interlinear Bible with a Greek Expository dictionary. I have come across a number of preachers with fairly sound doctrine on most of the basics of the Gospel and Salvation but sooner or later I will come up against wrong teachings that reflect denominational or sectarian views that are not supportable by Scripture. Mike Winger is the ONLY preacher/teacher I have come across that is spot on about everything theological... even the minor things. I watched 9ne of his "20 Questions" videos where he covers some pretty controversial topics most denominational pastors get wrong. I was shocked to find myself 100% in agreement with him. That virtually NEVER happens. And there were a couple of questions he said he was unsure of and needed further study on... they just happened to be issues I also have nit been able to settle on. Really just amazes me because I am totally independent of denomination and follow my best understanding of Scripture based on my own study as well as specific research into the first century Jewish cultural context of the New Testament as well as the relationship between the aood and New Testaments.
I have only been born again for two and a half years, and am going through my Bible just the second time through this year but I must say I completely agree with your assessment of Mike's theology, understanding of doctrine, adherence to scripture as authority and letting the Bible speak for itself as much as humanly possible. I too often find myself really grateful for a good preacher/teacher and then they'll throw something in or take something out and not just let the scriptures lead in that particular area (why is Calvinism so popular?!). I can still watch or learn from such brothers if their gospel is Christ and Christ crucified, Paul's gospel, and none other (Galatians 1:8), but it is incredibly refreshing to have found Winger's channel, as I also am in awe of how I have never had a serious, or hardly even minor, doctrinal disagreement with him. I was even joking today that I almost wished he'd say something I disagreed with just because it is an almost surreal experience to agree with someone so completely on these issues. I am very grateful for his sola scriptura ministry and I pray he is blessed and continues in wisdom and strength through the Holy Ghost in Jesus' name. Amen.
Ikr? With most Preachers on YT (or any social media) Im still on high alert. Pastor Mike Winger, Pastor Frank Turek, Pastor John Barnett, Ray Comfort& theological teachers Melissa Dougherty & Doreen Virtue are the only ones (SO FAR, that I KNOW, if I feel asleep listening to, I will not end up via a jarring dream, or with feeling mentally/ emotionally/ spiritually "ICKY" (for lack of better word), even if I sleep through the night. Again; my list is SO FAR. There may very well be others I'd fully trust as well & I just haven't checked them out yet. I do believe I have enough to keep me occupied in between Sunday Local church, anyway BTW: I discovered Pastor Winger a yr or 2 ago when Melissa Dougherty had him on her show as guest. Mike Winger & Melissa Dougherty are the ONLY two that keep my attention span...for HOURS at a time even. Partly bc of my ADHD. We, on that spectrum, have the attn span of a hummingbird on crack, UNLESS it's that EXTREMELY rare something or someone that can hold our attn- then we're WAY on the other extreme side of the pendulum. No gray areas for us AD(H)D ppl. 🤷♀️. But even other ppl who are NOT on the spectrum say the same thing about Pastor Winger..(even a TEENY bit more-so than Melissa)..and That says ALOT considering that, unlike Mike, Melissa does skits..and they're HILLARIOUS, eye-opening, encouraging & EXTREMELY well done in EVERY aspect (her acting, editing...EVERYTHING!). They are, SERIOUSLY, the best EVER skits ever known to man!...(including Napoleon Dynamite) It's kinda like: you get dinner with both Mike & Melissa. Mike serves a more elaborate dinner than Melissa. But ya get the occasional after-dinner dessert from Melissa. 🤗 Sorry this is so long but Idw2 edit: takes top long (you'll forgive my ADHD slathered all over this...??... won't you? I choose to believe you will😊).
Thanks to all who were involved in this project! 2 hours?! Awesomeness 😃👍 My wife and I have movie dates every week and this is going to be tonight’s date! ❤️🙏 God bless.
Of all your videos Mike, this is by far the best and a good review and explanation of why the Passion Translation is NOT a Bible translation. I came out of the Pentecostal and Hyper Charismatic Movement. I was ordained for over 22 years. I was on a mission trip to Eastern Europe (Latvia, Ukraine and Russia). I was astounded at how many people were reading and studying the Passion Translation. It literally frightened me to see such widespread acceptance and use of this text.
It's not even a paraphrase, it's a commentary trying to pass itself off as a paraphrase translation. If he had just followed the example of the Amplified Bible, and included his extras merely as parenthetical expressions and acknowledged they were not in the original Greek (or Aramaic), he wouldn't be receiving as much heat as he has been. He'd still be getting into trouble over bad theology embedded in his work, but that's a separate issue from Simmons' inserting his own creative writing and passing it off as Scripture.
Anyone catch this at 38:20? "The words of this translation will go right past the defenses of your mind and right into your spirit." WHOA. Did no one think that this might not be a good thing?
I like how Dr Brad Bitner draws a connection to Simmons 'secret knowledge' claim and gnosticism. From my understanding Colossians was written by Paul in part in response to a Colossian heresy - which was mysticism/gnosticism. It's really made me think on how Colossians is so relevant, and may be a remedy to the distortions we are now seeing in the Charismatic churches.
I found your original passion translation videos about a month ago, and then the literal next Sunday, one of my church's pastors sat behind the pulpit and promoted it. Not only that, she said she liked this translation because of what it said about the holy spirit, when that was literally one of the reasons Winger had an issue with this translation. Needless to say, my respect for her and my trust in her biblical understanding dropped dramatically
I haven't yet found a church that kept women pastors that didn't fall into major doctrinal heresy. If this was something God considered good, there should be some doctrinally sound church somewhere with a female preaching.
I’m honestly glad there are already a couple of comments here. The moment you said “she”, the problem became a no-brainer. It’s more likely than not the churches that become ensnared by the spirit of the feminine that devolve more rapidly into these heresies, and i’m speaking from experience. First church outside of the catholic church I was apart of for two years was run exclusively by women. The church I just left after nine years started including women in their messaging and quickly fell into all kinds of heretical traps of the “new age” and woke egalitarianism.
Regardless of the sex of the preacher, I would seriouslty consider walking out of a church that did this. I would give them a week to address the issue from the pulpit because it is possible that one of the preachers has sprung this out of the blue. However, it is equally possible that the pastoral staff is onboard with pushing this "translation". If it is the latter case, it tells me that the clergy of the church is not sufficiently educated in the historisity of the Bible and has no discernment. It would cause me great concern.
@@drzpl7229 It's not a feminine spirit that causes problems, though I might have misunderstood you. A church that welcomes female pastors as heads of a church have problems because they have to misunderstand or twist scripture in order to make it happen. The reason we see theological problems or discernment problems in churches that don't restrict certain areas of leadership to men isn't because a feminine spirit is harmful; we notice discernment issues and doctrinal issues more often in these cases because doctrine and discernment were already lacking BEFORE a woman is offered such a position. It's never that things were strong and great until femininity held the pulpit.
What an amazing video. You not only thoroughly covered why the Passion isn’t a translation, but I learned so much about the nuances of Bible translation. I loved the whole 2hrs and 20 min 😂
Brothers, thank you. This research and presentation has brought me to tears. My heart aches to hear this. The blatant mutilation of scripture must break God’s heart. Seeing Christians fall for it makes me physically ill. His take on husbands and wives undid me. This problem of “truth,” is so prevalent in our society today - media, leaders are chronically distorting reality to make it say what they want say. Simmons has done this very thing with the scripture. He is a false teacher, an ear-tickler, a liar.
Mark, I have great respect for you addressing this issue. Shalom from South Africa - Thanks, Mark, that Alex Hewitson is part of this project here and can speak about it and that you appreciate his work on the subject. Yes, we have great people still in South Africa. Salute to all. All the best to Alex with his studies further - we are proud of you.
I'm so glad I watched this video even though I watched it in 4 seating. I don't have the translation, but I was going to buy it for a friend because I thought it was good. I'm so thankful that I changed my mind. Thank you!
Thanks for doing this. We need to remember that the devil doesn't go after atheists and unbelievers, he already has them. The devil goes after true believers in subtle ways. The devil walks in the front door at churches often right into the pulpit, and the devil goes after the precious Word of God because he knows we rely upon it. Christians must have their eyes wide open. Thanks Mike!
Hey Pastor Mike! I have been waiting all week for this one. Super excited for it. I have updated some of my NAR keyword spreadsheet comparisons and am working on a few articles to start my website about the Passion translation and other theology and doctrine issues. That document I sent over to you that was around 100 pages is now up to about 200 pages after your last 5 videos and around 30 main points of issue/contention haha Thanks for your work and effort in this and bringing light to this.
That flattering statement ("Everything you love about Jesus people will say about you!”) -- along with his (mis)treatment of the Scriptures regarding masters and slaves, husbands and wives, and children and parents -- lead me to wonder whether the Passion translation is actually the People Pleasing translation. Children, you don’t need to obey your parents, just hear them out. Wives, you don’t need to submit to your husbands, just be tender to them. Slaves and masters, oh wait, ah (this is embarrassing), aha! Employees and employers (whew!)... is everybody happy now that we’ve placated the zeitgeist?
Thank you all.....sooooooo very much. This presentation and the other presentations carry far more weight than possibly even you realize. The word of God is a treasure and if we can change it, if one person can add “new revelations” to it then... what is the word of God anyway? I don’t think I’m overstating anything and I will admit I am full of emotion as I write this. Mike you and your ministry have been instrumental in me leaving false teaching and false religion. I was given a passion translation at one time from my False religion Pastor... The damage done to me and my family in listening to false teachers has been immense. I will say it again, thank you from the bottom of my heart for what you are doing here. Absolutely in my life, in this one life you have made a huge difference.
1:15:04 Alex said, "So if you come to the scriptures and everything is as you expect, then you're seeing yourself in the scriptures, you're not seeing God." What a wonderful statement! There is great insight to that thought. As a Bible teacher, I know so many people who just will not accept any idea that they don't already believe... it's so irritating! Thank you, young man, for your outstanding service to God!
I’ve been waiting for this one forever! Colossians has a special place in my heart, being the first book I’ve ever memorized (yes I’m bragging a little).
I might be tempted to too if I had! Well done. There is a comfort in committing scripture to heart but I am far from memorising a whole book yet, one day hopefully.
@@littleboots9800 thanks fam. All it takes is a little bit of time. If I could make a recommendation, I’d say start with Romans 8. Once I did that I felt like everything was possible.
@@doxazo-2718 I saw a woman explain her method, she would memorise one or 2 verses over a few days, say chapter 1, v1 and 2. Then she would memorise v3 and 4, reciting it along with v1 and 2. After a few days she would move on to v5 an 6, reciting it always with verse 1,2,3 and 4. Everytime she learnt a new chapter or two, she was revising the ones before it. Quite a cool method. There are a few videos on how to memorise scripture on TH-cam, either stand alone verses or whole books. Search the box method for memorising scripture.
Thank you for being so diligent in exposing the truth about this “translation “ and bringing true biblical scholars in to expose the errors that are being perpetuated in the name of “new revelation”. Watching Brian Simmons telling his story was enough to make me want to run away from having anything to do with his teaching.
Simmons basically exposes himself as a false teacher at the 1:00:41point. He essentially admits that no translation supports his personal theology so instead of allowing scripture to inform his beliefs he has to create a new translation that reflects his new found beliefs. Like Charles Spurgeon once said, "There is nothing new in theology except that which is false".
1:54:05 "I have a feeling that women want to know what the Bible actually says and not have some sort of agenda pushed onto them." Yes, thank you. Many of us really do. :)
This is why I love your content and respect your work. Your level of honesty and logical approach to biblical thinking is unsurpassed in this area of apologetics. This was a very classy way to approach this. Strong work brother Mike.
@@MikeWinger I stick to the King James, I don't like the changes that other translations making the name of profit ! They make changes in order to be able to copyright the Bible translation !
Mr. Simmons said that “the Lord showed me the homonymic structure of Hebrew will be the key to understanding Revelation in the last days, including the book of Revelation…” but revelation wasn’t written in Hebrew, it was written in Greek which rarely uses homonyms according to these scholars. Whether he thinks this is true or not he is seriously misleading people. Revelation specifically says not to add or subtract from the book or you will be cursed.
My Greek isn’t great, but table 3 is Greek 101. I mean you can even make sense of it by knowing just two of the Greek words. Thank you for having a great demeanour through this whole series, many would have approached this super angrily.
Brian Simmons is correct ( ref. 1:01:27 ) we DO oppose his views regarding the unbiblical change that could occur within Christianity. However, it’s not because we fear it will be for the better - or that we don’t want our home church numbers to dwindle. Rather, instead - t’s because wisdom and discernment, clearly reveals that it will lead people astray - especially those who commit themselves to such ideals as those found within the Passion Translation (PT). Starting today, I will continually stay praying for those following the Uninspired (aka, not of GOD) PT. Mr. Winger, you’ve inspired me to grow as a young Minister, future firefighter and Spoken Word Artist. God has used this page as a catalyst towards growth. I’m constantly being convicted to ensure I start adding more educational pieces onto my channel, not just songs/poems/illustrations, etc. The world desperately needs more of us (as men & women of God) to keep stepping up to the plate. & KEEP SWINGING!
so many Christians don't really care if Simmons has the knowledge or skill or integrity for that matter to do this work, they simply like the emotive overblown language and how Simmons makes them feel about God and themselves. I love the statement that the book should end with " I Brian write write this." it's obviously not Paul!
Yeah, I feel the same way. In the first (and last time) I got to read this "translation" through a website, out of mere curiosity, even before I knew the major issues it had, I went straight to John 8. All of the overly emotional (or 'passionate', if you will) wording greatly bothered me and I discarded that 'translation' immediately.
Thank you, Mike, for your diligence, your faithfulness and your love for God and devotion to His Word. I am sure that God will honor your investment because it is for the building up and edification of the church. I truly appreciate all the work you've done and I have learned a lot through your videos. Sadly, I have friends who aren't responding to me because I've raised concerns that they are reading The Passion. I've forwarded your videos. Perhaps that will reach them. I am praying for you, your wife and your ministry.
Such an important message of the foundation of scripture. I feel we are at a time where the authority and trustworthiness of the scriptures is being questioned by believers more than ever. Thank you for this content Pastor Mike
it is emotionalism, a religious spirit. Also, what is the difference between him and Joseph Smith, who was the only one who could read and translate the book of Mormon? If what you say cannot be verified, it should not be taken seriously
Thank you for this work Mike. I had the passion translation and I was reading it specifically Psalms I even bought a couple of books and devotionals around this. They now are shredded paper for my boxes 😝
Thank you for doing this series Mike! A comment Dr Bitner made suddenly clarified something in my mind that had been bubbling in the background. He said something along the lines of 'if we allow that Paul is the Apostle, inspired by the Holy Spirit, to write these things, not Brian Simmons' - right there is the problem: Brian thinks that he is being inspired by the Spirit - what he is writing is in actuality special revelation, fresh revelation and he IS adding to scripture and knows it, but in his mind it's OK because he believes he is doing it by the Spirit. I'm genuinely shocked that any Christian Pastor wouldn't immediately have every alarm bell ring listening to him talk about his inspiration, his downloads, his visit to the great library...
So sad the sound was not good for the guests speaking… when ever you can do another video on this with clear speaking with love to hear it.. I appreciate all your work Mike
Mike Winger, tha k you for your work here. For being humble and available to Holy Spirit to do the challenging work needed done. Guiding believers to good translations is a key to developing strong mature brothers and sisters and I know this video resource will help build the Church's maturity. Thank you
The question of Jesus' primary language (and the language(s) in which he taught) is one of some interest, and it's far from completely settled. It's been pretty widely assumed that much if not all of his public teaching was in Aramaic. But he certainly spoke Greek; it was the _lingua franca_ in that part of the world at that time. He also read Greek, which we know because he quotes the Greek Old Testament (the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the OT). One place where he does this is in Matthew 21:16, where he's quoting Psalm 8:2--if you look at the psalm in most Bibles, you'll see, "Out of the mouth of babies and infants, you have established *strength*"; when Jesus quotes this psalm in Matthew 21:16, it is praise that is established--which is the reading of the LXX. So to say that Jesus didn't speak Greek, as Simmons does, is demonstrably false.
@@suzannegriffiths4795 Who believes that Jesus' public ministry was in Aramaic? Just about everybody, it appears. If I do a web search for "what language did Jesus preach", pretty much all of the first page (and onto the second page) of results say the same thing: while Jesus would have had at least some familiarity with Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic, at least the bulk of his public ministry would have been in Aramaic. Unfortunately, I don't see that any of those pages cite particular scholars for or against that conclusion, but it does seem to be held across a wide variety of sources, Christian (including an unsigned, but fairly detailed, treatment at Zondervan Academic) and secular (and at least one Muslim source as well). The biblical text doesn't really answer this for us--there are a handful of occasions when we're directly told Jesus used Aramaic (including on the cross), but beyond those we're not told (which may suggest the question isn't that important). But, although this is widely held, it isn't universally held--some scholars hold instead that Jesus conducted at least some of his public ministry in Greek. Again, a web search (this time for "did Jesus teach in Greek") provides some material, and the first result is a 37-page paper by one Dr. Stanley Porter from 1993 arguing for this position; another scholar who appears to agree is one Dr. G. Scott Gleaves, whose book on the subject is available on Amazon for about $25 (or rather less if you want the e-book). Though in the same search, at least one critic of Porter turns up; a Dr. PM Casey addresses his piece in 1997, claiming that Porter "downplays or even omits important Aramaic evidence" (though Casey's entire article doesn't appear to be freely available as Porter's is). So, insofar as Simmons' view is that Jesus primarily spoke, taught, and preached in Aramaic, his view is widely (though not universally) accepted. His claim that Jesus didn't speak Greek is much more contentious, and I believe Jesus' quote of the LXX renders it untenable. But it's his position that the NT was originally written in Aramaic (and, further, that there's a new academic consensus to that effect) that takes the cake--there's simply zero evidence to support such a position, and with respect to much of it (i.e., all of Paul's epistles), it simply wouldn't have made any sense at all.
This is very well done, thank you for taking such time and care in providing a proper critique with help from scholars. Well done. We need more work like this. Thanks so much.
"But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!" -- Galatians 1:8. Brian Simmons' message: The gospel you've always assumed to be true actually falls short, but I, Brian Simmons, have been revealed the true gospel and will now share it with you.
I am a Spirit filled folllower of Jesus. I would rather identify as charismatic than eg. baptist. However I always pray to the true Jesus, Holy Spirit, Father God, and am also a mainly KJV reader since I believe that what I study as the Holy Scriptures has to be as close as possible ti the original languages. But one day I started reading a few passages from TPT, and was drawn to its beautiful wording. I was about to buy a copy online when I felt the Holy Spirit stop me. I forgot about it later on but again at another time I wanted to buy it when the Holy Spirit stopped me again, impressing on me not to use that version. Interestingly the same impression came years before - but this happened every time I read from the Message translation. Thank you for this thorough and factual review of this TPT version or rather 'commentary'. What a confirmation for me. Blessings in Jesus name
Just had a scene from a book I just finished pop into my head. Anyone else have "The Great Divorce" by C.S. Lewis scrolling through their brains? Love all this work being put in to this project for others who are not scholars. I had never heard of this translation or heard anyone I know talk about it, but I'm glad I'm now aware of it.
This was the best one so far. Dr. Bitner’s comment about this drawing a veil over the text that obscures God’s word and can prevent people from knowing what God says and might even prevent them from being saved. This, to me, was a very thoughtful comment and really represented the danger of this “translation” in addition to its ridiculous word choice. Pastor Mike, thank you so much for hiring these scholars to comment upon and refute this. I’ve learned so much about how translations are made as well.
Thank you so much for this Passion Project ... what a tremendous eye-opener and help. I literally threw my copy of the TPT into the garbage after listening to all these episodes. God bless you, brother! Greetings from Austria 🇦🇹 😀 😊
I hurt so badly in my spirit hearing Brian Simmons say the things that came out of his mouth, especially the blasphemy that we are exactly the same as Jesus Christ.......🤢😔
The discussion at the beginning of the video sounds like the conversation that happens with our Mormon friends around the book of Mormon. Joseph Smith received another revelation from two heavenly personages and Joseph Smith translated this message from reformed Egyptian Hieroglyphics. A language only he had to communicate a new, more correct translation of gospel.
0:00 Why this matters
3:44 Meet Alex Hewitson and Dr. Brad Bitner
6:16 Alex’s approach to reviewing Col in TPT
7:39 Brian Simmons’ wild claims about TPT
10:21 What are the different kinds of translations?
11:45 TPT is not a real translation
13:38 Are we being too critical of translations?
15:52 Broad Street publishing misleading people
18:20 Simmons badly wrong about “Aramaic”
32:24 Simmons makes stuff up about “tetelestai”
37:04 Testing Simmons’ claims about “love language”
41:04 Why is TPT longer than other Bibles?
44:02 Simmons translates the same Greek phrase in many different ways
46:58 Adding and subtracting from the Bible
50:19 TPT radically expands the Bible
54:21 Seeing the agenda behind TPT
59:30 What concerns me about the people who endorse TPT?
1:01:41 TPT using joint verse numbers
1:04:08 Divine titles are weird in TPT
1:13:52 How TPT softens hard teachings from the Bible
1:17:22 Translators should be invisible. Simmons is not.
1:19:13 Failure to quote scholars
1:20:35 Simmons uses outdated resources
1:23:48 Is Simmons a scholar or not?
1:28:08 Testing the “secrets” Brian says are coming from God
1:32:32 Brian Simmons homonyms are deeply concerning
1:38:30 God’s wrath is changed
1:40:40 Changing the meaning of Col 1 vs 9
1:43:38 Italics in TPT are problematic
1:45:18 TPT wrong on slaves and masters
1:48:24 TPT wrong on husbands and wives
1:54:17 TPT wrong on children and parents
1:56:15 Adds “prophetic songs” to Colossians
2:01:36 “Buzz words” in TPT don’t belong
2:04:52 Basic grammar errors show Simmons shouldn’t be translating
2:09:19 Simmons’ style replaces the biblical authors style
2:12:35 What they really think of TPT
2:14:43 Should TPT be sold in Christian bookstores?
2:15:47 Can someone get saved reading TPT?
2:18:10 How will TPT impact you if you use it?
Dr. Brad Bitner's academia profile wscal.academia.edu/BradBitner
Here's every video and paper in The Passion Project (including Alex's paper) biblethinker.org/index.php/the-passion-translation
My website BibleThinker.org
I actually have seen the passion translation on a shelf while I was in a lutheran church
Dear Brother Mike would you please do the same with the Enoch gnostic teaching about fallen angels mating with women in Genesis 6? This is a huge deception and people claim that the Bible clearly says this doctrine and that you don't need to read the book of Enoch, to have this view.
Also, the "serpent seed" doctrine, which is just another side of the same coin.
I can't wait for you to expose this doctrine of demons because you do such a faithful job!
Thank you!
God bless you 🕊
Thank you Mike, my eighteen yr old daughter really enjoys your teachings and I thank God for that
@@michellejohnsen912 It all depends on how you interpret who the “sons of God” are.
The sons of God and daughters of humans (NIV) created the Nephilim, who were seemingly giants as described in Numbers 13:33, or at least a larger species of human.
I think it’s reasonable that the sons of God could be the fallen angels who were mentioned in Jude 1:6.
@@Marlaina Matthew 22:30 Jesus says angels don't marry. I can't harmonize the idea of angels mating with humans with this clear Bible verse. I know angels can look like men when they come to earth. In the story of Lot etc.
I don't think the verses sighted in support of angels mating with humans are clearly saying that. I think those verses are talking about fallen angels. Even Chuck Missler said he doesn't know how the Genesis 6 angels mated with women because they are eternal beings.
It was such a pleasure working with you and Dr. Bitner on this Mike! Very thankful for your ministry, and the work of all the other excellent scholars on the project.
Thanks for your tremendous work!
Thank you Alex! You did such a great job on this. I can’t recommend it enough.
Thank you for all your time you put in, it was so nice to hear South African’s speaking on the issues.
Thank you so much to both Pastor Mike for initiating and sharing this project with the world, and to Alex for the tremendous effort and passion put into revealing the truth of God's word; from a fellow South African. :)
@@Misteddreams where in South Africa?
Praying people will see this and watch it. May God override the algorithm to promote this work.
In agreement amen and amen!🙏
Yes. Amen.
Amen!
Amen
That´s not how algorithms work.
"He gave me a download of insight and revelation..." and THAT, ladies and gentlemen is how you start a cult.
Right......
@@jhondysuarez3498 exactly right. Problem?
There wouldn't be a problem if he said, "He gave me a revelation, and I put it in the footnotes, so as you read absolute unaltered scripture you can evaluate what I was given". But yeah someone claiming to have a power to alter scripture is red flag material
Or a new denomination.
And he is not finish yet.
This man actually hired Scholars to create this video, what an absolute Legend
Mike's Passion Project has been going on for a while now, I definitely recommend you check the other vids. It's very well done and extremely valuable stuff.
Careful not to idolize Men,it becomes a trap for both parties.
What an "overwhelming undertaking which Mike has been moved, by the Spirit of the Lord within him, to undertake in response to this dangerous heresy"... I think "Legend" is an appropriate summary. But it does help to be explicit every now and then. I guess what I'm trying to say that recognition of feat is not idolatry, merely respect. I'd say the same thing about Paul or Peter or John... Absolute Legends! Also, there's a hint of Karl Jobst, maybe? :D
*hired scholars for a series of videos. More legendary.
Thank you for hiring Scholars to give an unbiased, professional and thought-provoking take on this translation!
It was this project that led me to support the ministry of Mike Winger. All this work takes time and money with the goal to warn and equip the body of Christ. A big thank you to all those who are involved in this project.
Plus he paid those scholars! That shows commitment!
" God called me to translate the bible and give you the true word" this makes no sense lol he's basically saying God let the bible be mistranslated FOR CENTURIES and just now decided to give this man the honor of revealing the truth?
I am in total agreement with you. And to expand and expound upon your thoughts, God allowing the Bible to be mistranslated for centuries has allowed centuries of people to go to hell thinking they were believers, until this phony came along and told us that God is giving him new translations.
The both of you really hit the nail on the head. We need to pray for all the people that are *currently* being led astray by Brian Simmons heretical teachings. 2 Tim 4:2-4 is coming to mind with him not preaching the word and all these people listening to him because he is scratching their itching ears and leading them to fables of his own making.
*millennia.
Correct.
The Bible has been horribly translated by clerks of a certain denomination who had no clue about God's intend, just like Muhammed.
Still the red line is clearly visible. The original text is crystal clear:
1: God created us after His own image and likeness.
2: Man fell. That is what you see in this world: lust, greed, selfishness, strange philosophies, sicknesses, corruption, terrorism, death, etc, etc.
3: God, the spirit of life, manifests fully in Christ, pays the debt for mankinds fall so we can be indwelled again by His Spirit and be transformed back to origin.
Pure grace, love, power of God for His creation.
Hence the divine healing miracles and casting out of demons His first friend, i and many others experience up to this day!
When Jesus said: "It is finished", He did a perfect job. Nothing to be changed by people comming after Him.
Some examples of these idiotic translation errors.
Saved, from the Greek Sozo means made complete, brought back to origin.
Eternal life from the Greek Zoë means life of God, divine life.
Wrath from the Greek Orge means PASSION.
Wrath from the Greek Thumos also means PASSION.
Etc, etc, etc, look it up in the Kittel Theological Dictionary or in any Greek/Hebrew Strong's app. It's there.
So now we have ignorant preachers parotting the lie that we have to be saved from God's wrath by Jesus (who is God....) and "have to repent or go to hell".
In stead it is: God restores us through Christ by His own atoning blood sacrifice and indwelling Holy Spirit, from mankind's fall, to His own image and likeness (Christlikeness) because of... passion.
For God so loved the world....
God cannot be tempted to do evil....
There is no turning or shifting with Him....
If you don't love you don't know God, for God is love....
The goal of all instruction is... love
The Father Himself loves you....
Jesus healing all..... love
Jesus raising the dead..... love
Jesus casting out demons.... love
Jesus controlling nature..... love
Etc, etc ,etc ,etc.
@@jesusdeity2010 Jesus is Good and yet Lucifer did temp Jesus in the wilderness. So you are very wrong that He cannot be tempted. ....... And what does Mohammed have to do with Biblical Christianity?
I've only recently discovered Mike Winger; this is maybe the 4th video I've watched. He totally leaves me in awe. I grew up in the church but turned away for 20 years in my teens and twenties. The Spirit called me to read Scripture cover-to-cover (Gen. To Rev.) And I came to true saving faith in my mid 30s (1989]. Since then I have read the complete Biboe repeatedly more times than I can count along with numerous word and topic studies. I received an MA. In Theology in 1999. Recently I have been reviewing my Greek and doing my own personal study /word translation using an Interlinear Bible with a Greek Expository dictionary.
I have come across a number of preachers with fairly sound doctrine on most of the basics of the Gospel and Salvation but sooner or later I will come up against wrong teachings that reflect denominational or sectarian views that are not supportable by Scripture. Mike Winger is the ONLY preacher/teacher I have come across that is spot on about everything theological... even the minor things. I watched 9ne of his "20 Questions" videos where he covers some pretty controversial topics most denominational pastors get wrong. I was shocked to find myself 100% in agreement with him. That virtually NEVER happens. And there were a couple of questions he said he was unsure of and needed further study on... they just happened to be issues I also have nit been able to settle on. Really just amazes me because I am totally independent of denomination and follow my best understanding of Scripture based on my own study as well as specific research into the first century Jewish cultural context of the New Testament as well as the relationship between the aood and New Testaments.
"...between the Old and New Testaments"
I have only been born again for two and a half years, and am going through my Bible just the second time through this year but I must say I completely agree with your assessment of Mike's theology, understanding of doctrine, adherence to scripture as authority and letting the Bible speak for itself as much as humanly possible.
I too often find myself really grateful for a good preacher/teacher and then they'll throw something in or take something out and not just let the scriptures lead in that particular area (why is Calvinism so popular?!). I can still watch or learn from such brothers if their gospel is Christ and Christ crucified, Paul's gospel, and none other (Galatians 1:8), but it is incredibly refreshing to have found Winger's channel, as I also am in awe of how I have never had a serious, or hardly even minor, doctrinal disagreement with him. I was even joking today that I almost wished he'd say something I disagreed with just because it is an almost surreal experience to agree with someone so completely on these issues. I am very grateful for his sola scriptura ministry and I pray he is blessed and continues in wisdom and strength through the Holy Ghost in Jesus' name. Amen.
Ikr? With most Preachers on YT (or any social media) Im still on high alert. Pastor Mike Winger, Pastor Frank Turek, Pastor John Barnett, Ray Comfort& theological teachers Melissa Dougherty & Doreen Virtue are the only ones (SO FAR, that I KNOW, if I feel asleep listening to, I will not end up via a jarring dream, or with feeling mentally/ emotionally/ spiritually "ICKY"
(for lack of better word), even if I sleep through the night.
Again; my list is SO FAR. There may very well be others I'd fully trust as well & I just haven't checked them out yet.
I do believe I have enough to keep me occupied in between Sunday Local church, anyway
BTW: I discovered Pastor Winger a yr or 2 ago when Melissa Dougherty had him on her show as guest. Mike Winger & Melissa Dougherty are the ONLY two that keep my attention span...for HOURS at a time even. Partly bc of my ADHD. We, on that spectrum, have the attn span of a hummingbird on crack, UNLESS it's that EXTREMELY rare something or someone that can hold our attn- then we're WAY on the other extreme side of the pendulum. No gray areas for us AD(H)D ppl. 🤷♀️. But even other ppl who are NOT on the spectrum say the same thing
about Pastor Winger..(even a TEENY bit more-so than Melissa)..and That says ALOT considering that, unlike Mike, Melissa does skits..and they're HILLARIOUS, eye-opening, encouraging & EXTREMELY well done in EVERY aspect (her acting, editing...EVERYTHING!).
They are, SERIOUSLY, the best EVER skits ever known to man!...(including Napoleon Dynamite)
It's kinda like: you get dinner with both Mike & Melissa. Mike serves a more elaborate dinner than Melissa. But ya get the occasional after-dinner dessert from Melissa. 🤗
Sorry this is so long but Idw2 edit: takes top long (you'll forgive my ADHD slathered all over this...??... won't you? I choose to believe you will😊).
what was your take on his two hours on divorce and remarriage... using a historical grammatical hermeneutic?
Thanks to all who were involved in this project!
2 hours?! Awesomeness 😃👍
My wife and I have movie dates every week and this is going to be tonight’s date! ❤️🙏
God bless.
Maybe add chocolate …..
@@carolinelvsewe and grab some popcorn for a long video
Chocolate covered raisins with hot popcorn is a personal favorite 😆
@@carolinelvsewe yes, chocolate and God fixes everything
The longer one of Mike’s videos is, the more excited I get!
Me too. I could listen to Mike for days.
I saw Mr Simmons talking about his revelation and it scarily reminded me of Joseph Smith.
The damage will not be realised until it has spread like a cancer. Glad that someone like Mike is standing up whilst he can.
Yes, I agree. I grew up Mormon and this sounds eerily similar.
Same here with ol'Joseph. Also the same for ol'Moohaamad.
@@Baltic_Hammer6162 Absolutely correct. Anyone who accepts one of the two and rejects the other needs some lesson in Logic 101.
Or Paul of Tarsus.
Brian Simmons is either completely fooled by a false spirit or he’s looking to make money off God. Either way pray for this guy
He is deceived for sure. Reminds me of Joseph Smith who started the mormon cult
For the record: Brian Simmons does not make a dime from the publisher of The Passion Translation.
Dear Mike I love your humor and humility. God delivered me and my husband from hyper charismatic cult. Love from Jamestown CA
Praise Jesus!
I'm glad that He delivered you from a place like that! I hope you two are doing well! God bless!
2 hours 20 minutes, let's strap in and go!
Whoop!
Yesssssir keep your hands in the seat of the ride at all times! 😂😃📚📓📖
Remain seated at all times.
Thank you for bringing a smile to my face with that statement 😂
Yet to find the upper limit of video length I will not tune in for with Pastor Mike 😹 ⏳
Of all your videos Mike, this is by far the best and a good review and explanation of why the Passion Translation is NOT a Bible translation. I came out of the Pentecostal and Hyper Charismatic Movement. I was ordained for over 22 years. I was on a mission trip to Eastern Europe (Latvia, Ukraine and Russia). I was astounded at how many people were reading and studying the Passion Translation. It literally frightened me to see such widespread acceptance and use of this text.
It's not even a paraphrase, it's a commentary trying to pass itself off as a paraphrase translation. If he had just followed the example of the Amplified Bible, and included his extras merely as parenthetical expressions and acknowledged they were not in the original Greek (or Aramaic), he wouldn't be receiving as much heat as he has been. He'd still be getting into trouble over bad theology embedded in his work, but that's a separate issue from Simmons' inserting his own creative writing and passing it off as Scripture.
Anyone catch this at 38:20?
"The words of this translation will go right past the defenses of your mind and right into your spirit."
WHOA. Did no one think that this might not be a good thing?
I like how Dr Brad Bitner draws a connection to Simmons 'secret knowledge' claim and gnosticism. From my understanding Colossians was written by Paul in part in response to a Colossian heresy - which was mysticism/gnosticism. It's really made me think on how Colossians is so relevant, and may be a remedy to the distortions we are now seeing in the Charismatic churches.
I found your original passion translation videos about a month ago, and then the literal next Sunday, one of my church's pastors sat behind the pulpit and promoted it. Not only that, she said she liked this translation because of what it said about the holy spirit, when that was literally one of the reasons Winger had an issue with this translation. Needless to say, my respect for her and my trust in her biblical understanding dropped dramatically
1 tim 2:11-12. Might consider a different church.
I haven't yet found a church that kept women pastors that didn't fall into major doctrinal heresy. If this was something God considered good, there should be some doctrinally sound church somewhere with a female preaching.
I’m honestly glad there are already a couple of comments here. The moment you said “she”, the problem became a no-brainer. It’s more likely than not the churches that become ensnared by the spirit of the feminine that devolve more rapidly into these heresies, and i’m speaking from experience. First church outside of the catholic church I was apart of for two years was run exclusively by women. The church I just left after nine years started including women in their messaging and quickly fell into all kinds of heretical traps of the “new age” and woke egalitarianism.
Regardless of the sex of the preacher, I would seriouslty consider walking out of a church that did this. I would give them a week to address the issue from the pulpit because it is possible that one of the preachers has sprung this out of the blue. However, it is equally possible that the pastoral staff is onboard with pushing this "translation". If it is the latter case, it tells me that the clergy of the church is not sufficiently educated in the historisity of the Bible and has no discernment. It would cause me great concern.
@@drzpl7229 It's not a feminine spirit that causes problems, though I might have misunderstood you.
A church that welcomes female pastors as heads of a church have problems because they have to misunderstand or twist scripture in order to make it happen.
The reason we see theological problems or discernment problems in churches that don't restrict certain areas of leadership to men isn't because a feminine spirit is harmful; we notice discernment issues and doctrinal issues more often in these cases because doctrine and discernment were already lacking BEFORE a woman is offered such a position. It's never that things were strong and great until femininity held the pulpit.
What an amazing video. You not only thoroughly covered why the Passion isn’t a translation, but I learned so much about the nuances of Bible translation. I loved the whole 2hrs and 20 min 😂
Looks like we are going to bed two hours later than usual...Let's do this
Brothers, thank you. This research and presentation has brought me to tears. My heart aches to hear this. The blatant mutilation of scripture must break God’s heart. Seeing Christians fall for it makes me physically ill. His take on husbands and wives undid me. This problem of “truth,” is so prevalent in our society today - media, leaders are chronically distorting reality to make it say what they want say. Simmons has done this very thing with the scripture. He is a false teacher, an ear-tickler, a liar.
Mark, I have great respect for you addressing this issue. Shalom from South Africa - Thanks, Mark, that Alex Hewitson is part of this project here and can speak about it and that you appreciate his work on the subject. Yes, we have great people still in South Africa. Salute to all. All the best to Alex with his studies further - we are proud of you.
"Rise up women and stop letting men tell you what to do" says man telling women what to do.
That was the exact framework that brought about the fall of mankind.
Haha, true.
@@elizabeths5896 don't go there please.
LOL! Funny, thank you.
I'm so glad I watched this video even though I watched it in 4 seating. I don't have the translation, but I was going to buy it for a friend because I thought it was good. I'm so thankful that I changed my mind. Thank you!
I was planning on buy it for myself
Thanks for doing this.
We need to remember that the devil doesn't go after atheists and unbelievers, he already has them. The devil goes after true believers in subtle ways.
The devil walks in the front door at churches often right into the pulpit, and the devil goes after the precious Word of God because he knows we rely upon it.
Christians must have their eyes wide open.
Thanks Mike!
Amen!
Should have ended with _I, Brian Simmons, write this letter with my own hand_
The best suggestion in the whole paper
Mike- I have great respect for you bringing scholars into this to avoid a petty back and forth about this topic.
Hey Pastor Mike! I have been waiting all week for this one. Super excited for it.
I have updated some of my NAR keyword spreadsheet comparisons and am working on a few articles to start my website about the Passion translation and other theology and doctrine issues. That document I sent over to you that was around 100 pages is now up to about 200 pages after your last 5 videos and around 30 main points of issue/contention haha
Thanks for your work and effort in this and bringing light to this.
Please give us a link to your website when it's ready!
Tremendously refreshing to listen to three well informed, sincere preachers of the gospel refute this ear tickler, Brian Simmons.
Why does it just slide by people when he says “everything you love about Jesus people will say about you”???? Big no.
That flattering statement ("Everything you love about Jesus people will say about you!”) -- along with his (mis)treatment of the Scriptures regarding masters and slaves, husbands and wives, and children and parents -- lead me to wonder whether the Passion translation is actually the People Pleasing translation. Children, you don’t need to obey your parents, just hear them out. Wives, you don’t need to submit to your husbands, just be tender to them. Slaves and masters, oh wait, ah (this is embarrassing), aha! Employees and employers (whew!)... is everybody happy now that we’ve placated the zeitgeist?
Greatly appreciate the work you have put into this series pastor Mike. Thank you for caring so much about the word of God. God bless you!
That notification bell sure comes in handy..🔔 love the hard work and dedication this guy has for getting the TRUE word out there.👏
Thank you all.....sooooooo very much. This presentation and the other presentations carry far more weight than possibly even you realize. The word of God is a treasure and if we can change it, if one person can add “new revelations” to it then... what is the word of God anyway? I don’t think I’m overstating anything and I will admit I am full of emotion as I write this. Mike you and your ministry have been instrumental in me leaving false teaching and false religion. I was given a passion translation at one time from my False religion Pastor... The damage done to me and my family in listening to false teachers has been immense. I will say it again, thank you from the bottom of my heart for what you are doing here. Absolutely in my life, in this one life you have made a huge difference.
"Paul´s the apostle here, not Simmons.." Amen.
1:15:04 Alex said, "So if you come to the scriptures and everything is as you expect, then you're seeing yourself in the scriptures, you're not seeing God." What a wonderful statement! There is great insight to that thought. As a Bible teacher, I know so many people who just will not accept any idea that they don't already believe... it's so irritating! Thank you, young man, for your outstanding service to God!
I’ve been waiting for this one forever! Colossians has a special place in my heart, being the first book I’ve ever memorized (yes I’m bragging a little).
I might be tempted to too if I had! Well done. There is a comfort in committing scripture to heart but I am far from memorising a whole book yet, one day hopefully.
@@littleboots9800 thanks fam. All it takes is a little bit of time. If I could make a recommendation, I’d say start with Romans 8. Once I did that I felt like everything was possible.
@@jellysandjamz250 you just repetitively read it or what you do to remeber the bible better
@@jellysandjamz250 cool. I love Romans too. Thanks!
@@doxazo-2718 I saw a woman explain her method, she would memorise one or 2 verses over a few days, say chapter 1, v1 and 2. Then she would memorise v3 and 4, reciting it along with v1 and 2. After a few days she would move on to v5 an 6, reciting it always with verse 1,2,3 and 4.
Everytime she learnt a new chapter or two, she was revising the ones before it. Quite a cool method.
There are a few videos on how to memorise scripture on TH-cam, either stand alone verses or whole books. Search the box method for memorising scripture.
HUGE Thank you from my side!! Thank you thank you thank you for taking the time to put this out
WORDS MATTER, especially God’s Word! I appreciate this video as I have learned a lot and I also appreciate the grace in which you did it!
God bless!!
Thank you for being so diligent in exposing the truth about this “translation “ and bringing true biblical scholars in to expose the errors that are being perpetuated in the name of “new revelation”. Watching Brian Simmons telling his story was enough to make me want to run away from having anything to do with his teaching.
What a Monumental project! I cant believe no one else is talking about this. Thank you Pastor Mike.
Yes! Women DO want to know what the Bible actually says! So good. Love this project. Thank you!
*Brian Simmons isn’t translating the Bible; he’s reinventing it.*
1st thought : Oh, wasn't Paul Simmons that bass player from Kiss?
2nd thought : No, that's Gene Simmons!
3rd thought : Oh, Brian Simmons!
😁
I’m excited to listen to this on podcast in a couple days. I wanted to drop a comment while I had a moment though. For the algorithm lol
It's on already. Mike dropped it same day :D
Simmons basically exposes himself as a false teacher at the 1:00:41point. He essentially admits that no translation supports his personal theology so instead of allowing scripture to inform his beliefs he has to create a new translation that reflects his new found beliefs. Like Charles Spurgeon once said, "There is nothing new in theology except that which is false".
The Passion Translation BEWARE! Thank you Pastor Mike! God Bless you! I Truly Appreciate your Work on TPT!
Love ya Mike! Thank you for all that you do!
And thank you for all you do on your channel too 😀
Warned a friend who said he was considering this perversion a couple years back.
Did he end up getting it?
1:54:05 "I have a feeling that women want to know what the Bible actually says and not have some sort of agenda pushed onto them." Yes, thank you. Many of us really do. :)
This is why I love your content and respect your work. Your level of honesty and logical approach to biblical thinking is unsurpassed in this area of apologetics. This was a very classy way to approach this. Strong work brother Mike.
Might you say that this translation was a...Colossal mistake?
Hahaha
@@MikeWinger I stick to the King James, I don't like the changes that other translations making the name of profit !
They make changes in order to be able to copyright the Bible translation !
@@studygodsword5937 what version would you suggest to ppl who have issues with the English language?
@@jhde9067 even the new King James has changes in order to copyright the Bible !
@@jhde9067 I'm not saying that the King James is free of errors, but I will say that I know what most of them are !
A friend gifted this to me yesterday and know i stumble over your video. Interesting.
Sweet! Surprise Winger video! Kids about to go down for naps, get my coffee, perfect afternoon!
Mr. Simmons said that “the Lord showed me the homonymic structure of Hebrew will be the key to understanding Revelation in the last days, including the book of Revelation…” but revelation wasn’t written in Hebrew, it was written in Greek which rarely uses homonyms according to these scholars. Whether he thinks this is true or not he is seriously misleading people. Revelation specifically says not to add or subtract from the book or you will be cursed.
Already 5 likes in one minute. Nice job pastor Mike.
God bless you pastor mike. For all the work you are doing for the Body of Christ
Amen!
My Greek isn’t great, but table 3 is Greek 101.
I mean you can even make sense of it by knowing just two of the Greek words.
Thank you for having a great demeanour through this whole series, many would have approached this super angrily.
I would’ve. Winger is truly a perfect personality to present this. They can’t accuse Winger of being a cessetionist, either - he’s a Calvary guy
@@KristiLEvans1 He was at Vineyard Anaheim for a while too.
@@TheNathanMac yes, but that is what scared him from hyper-charismania
Brian Simmons is correct ( ref. 1:01:27 ) we DO oppose his views regarding the unbiblical change that could occur within Christianity. However, it’s not because we fear it will be for the better - or that we don’t want our home church numbers to dwindle. Rather, instead - t’s because wisdom and discernment, clearly reveals that it will lead people astray - especially those who commit themselves to such ideals as those found within the Passion Translation (PT). Starting today, I will continually stay praying for those following the Uninspired (aka, not of GOD) PT. Mr. Winger, you’ve inspired me to grow as a young Minister, future firefighter and Spoken Word Artist. God has used this page as a catalyst towards growth. I’m constantly being convicted to ensure I start adding more educational pieces onto my channel, not just songs/poems/illustrations, etc. The world desperately needs more of us (as men & women of God) to keep stepping up to the plate. & KEEP SWINGING!
Yaaaaas! Never clicked so fast. Thanks Pastor Mike.
again, thank you so much for the effort you have gone through to make this happen. God Bless this effort
so many Christians don't really care if Simmons has the knowledge or skill or integrity for that matter to do this work, they simply like the emotive overblown language and how Simmons makes them feel about God and themselves. I love the statement that the book should end with " I Brian write write this." it's obviously not Paul!
Yeah, I feel the same way.
In the first (and last time) I got to read this "translation" through a website, out of mere curiosity, even before I knew the major issues it had, I went straight to John 8. All of the overly emotional (or 'passionate', if you will) wording greatly bothered me and I discarded that 'translation' immediately.
Thank you, Mike, for your diligence, your faithfulness and your love for God and devotion to His Word. I am sure that God will honor your investment because it is for the building up and edification of the church.
I truly appreciate all the work you've done and I have learned a lot through your videos. Sadly, I have friends who aren't responding to me because I've raised concerns that they are reading The Passion. I've forwarded your videos.
Perhaps that will reach them.
I am praying for you, your wife and your ministry.
Such an important message of the foundation of scripture. I feel we are at a time where the authority and trustworthiness of the scriptures is being questioned by believers more than ever. Thank you for this content Pastor Mike
it is emotionalism, a religious spirit. Also, what is the difference between him and Joseph Smith, who was the only one who could read and translate the book of Mormon? If what you say cannot be verified, it should not be taken seriously
Thank you for this work Mike. I had the passion translation and I was reading it specifically Psalms I even bought a couple of books and devotionals around this. They now are shredded paper for my boxes 😝
Thank you for during this. It is very much appreciated.
51:05 ish - As if Paul needed help writing longer sentences! :)
Loving the passion... of my brother Mike against this scriptural deception!! 🤙🏽💪🏽☝🏽
Thank you for doing this series Mike!
A comment Dr Bitner made suddenly clarified something in my mind that had been bubbling in the background. He said something along the lines of 'if we allow that Paul is the Apostle, inspired by the Holy Spirit, to write these things, not Brian Simmons' - right there is the problem: Brian thinks that he is being inspired by the Spirit - what he is writing is in actuality special revelation, fresh revelation and he IS adding to scripture and knows it, but in his mind it's OK because he believes he is doing it by the Spirit.
I'm genuinely shocked that any Christian Pastor wouldn't immediately have every alarm bell ring listening to him talk about his inspiration, his downloads, his visit to the great library...
So how can we get it off Bible Gateway and the Bible App?
So sad the sound was not good for the guests speaking… when ever you can do another video on this with clear speaking with love to hear it..
I appreciate all your work Mike
I'm 63 and I only came to Christ 11 years ago and I can see he is false.
Mike Winger, tha k you for your work here. For being humble and available to Holy Spirit to do the challenging work needed done. Guiding believers to good translations is a key to developing strong mature brothers and sisters and I know this video resource will help build the Church's maturity. Thank you
Thank you for covering this! Excellent Blessings!
The question of Jesus' primary language (and the language(s) in which he taught) is one of some interest, and it's far from completely settled. It's been pretty widely assumed that much if not all of his public teaching was in Aramaic. But he certainly spoke Greek; it was the _lingua franca_ in that part of the world at that time. He also read Greek, which we know because he quotes the Greek Old Testament (the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the OT). One place where he does this is in Matthew 21:16, where he's quoting Psalm 8:2--if you look at the psalm in most Bibles, you'll see, "Out of the mouth of babies and infants, you have established *strength*"; when Jesus quotes this psalm in Matthew 21:16, it is praise that is established--which is the reading of the LXX. So to say that Jesus didn't speak Greek, as Simmons does, is demonstrably false.
Who has assumed that Jesus public ministry was in Aramaic? Why?
@@suzannegriffiths4795 Who believes that Jesus' public ministry was in Aramaic? Just about everybody, it appears. If I do a web search for "what language did Jesus preach", pretty much all of the first page (and onto the second page) of results say the same thing: while Jesus would have had at least some familiarity with Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic, at least the bulk of his public ministry would have been in Aramaic. Unfortunately, I don't see that any of those pages cite particular scholars for or against that conclusion, but it does seem to be held across a wide variety of sources, Christian (including an unsigned, but fairly detailed, treatment at Zondervan Academic) and secular (and at least one Muslim source as well). The biblical text doesn't really answer this for us--there are a handful of occasions when we're directly told Jesus used Aramaic (including on the cross), but beyond those we're not told (which may suggest the question isn't that important).
But, although this is widely held, it isn't universally held--some scholars hold instead that Jesus conducted at least some of his public ministry in Greek. Again, a web search (this time for "did Jesus teach in Greek") provides some material, and the first result is a 37-page paper by one Dr. Stanley Porter from 1993 arguing for this position; another scholar who appears to agree is one Dr. G. Scott Gleaves, whose book on the subject is available on Amazon for about $25 (or rather less if you want the e-book). Though in the same search, at least one critic of Porter turns up; a Dr. PM Casey addresses his piece in 1997, claiming that Porter "downplays or even omits important Aramaic evidence" (though Casey's entire article doesn't appear to be freely available as Porter's is).
So, insofar as Simmons' view is that Jesus primarily spoke, taught, and preached in Aramaic, his view is widely (though not universally) accepted. His claim that Jesus didn't speak Greek is much more contentious, and I believe Jesus' quote of the LXX renders it untenable. But it's his position that the NT was originally written in Aramaic (and, further, that there's a new academic consensus to that effect) that takes the cake--there's simply zero evidence to support such a position, and with respect to much of it (i.e., all of Paul's epistles), it simply wouldn't have made any sense at all.
This is very well done, thank you for taking such time and care in providing a proper critique with help from scholars. Well done. We need more work like this. Thanks so much.
Dr. Bitner summed up the whole situation in one word "bonkers."
"But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!" -- Galatians 1:8. Brian Simmons' message: The gospel you've always assumed to be true actually falls short, but I, Brian Simmons, have been revealed the true gospel and will now share it with you.
Brilliant guests. Thank you.
Anyone finish the video yet?
Finished. Great as always.
Thank you for this indepth, well put together, intelligent explanation of this subject!!
Inspite of the bad audio by the 2 quests this is very interesting! Thankful for closed captions!
I am a Spirit filled folllower of Jesus. I would rather identify as charismatic than eg. baptist. However I always pray to the true Jesus, Holy Spirit, Father God, and am also a mainly KJV reader since I believe that what I study as the Holy Scriptures has to be as close as possible ti the original languages. But one day I started reading a few passages from TPT, and was drawn to its beautiful wording. I was about to buy a copy online when I felt the Holy Spirit stop me. I forgot about it later on but again at another time I wanted to buy it when the Holy Spirit stopped me again, impressing on me not to use that version. Interestingly the same impression came years before - but this happened every time I read from the Message translation. Thank you for this thorough and factual review of this TPT version or rather 'commentary'. What a confirmation for me. Blessings in Jesus name
Just had a scene from a book I just finished pop into my head. Anyone else have "The Great Divorce" by C.S. Lewis scrolling through their brains?
Love all this work being put in to this project for others who are not scholars. I had never heard of this translation or heard anyone I know talk about it, but I'm glad I'm now aware of it.
Pastor Mike, I love your attention to detail, but I would love some readers digest versions of some of your videos. God bless you and your ministry.
Cliff notes! Lol
This was the best one so far. Dr. Bitner’s comment about this drawing a veil over the text that obscures God’s word and can prevent people from knowing what God says and might even prevent them from being saved.
This, to me, was a very thoughtful comment and really represented the danger of this “translation” in addition to its ridiculous word choice.
Pastor Mike, thank you so much for hiring these scholars to comment upon and refute this. I’ve learned so much about how translations are made as well.
I would love to watch this, but I have a final exam tomorrow and have to study.....
May God bless you with clarity and focus and fill in the gaps of your knowledge and understanding as you study and complete your exams!!!
Oh man! Best review yet!!!!
Gnostic is the best description of the passion version.
100%!!!
Thank you so much for this Passion Project ... what a tremendous eye-opener and help. I literally threw my copy of the TPT into the garbage after listening to all these episodes. God bless you, brother! Greetings from Austria 🇦🇹 😀 😊
Wonderful!
I wonder how he changed Pauls witty sarcasm. Thats one of my favorite aspects of Pauls style.
Love language of God: "He suffered, died & rose again". For the forgiveness of our sins. What else do you NEED?
Amen!
Thank you for doing this book by book. It's much needed and greatly appreciated!
Great video and work by the scholars. They're probably the least animated out of all of the Passion Project videos, but still great stuff :P
I hurt so badly in my spirit hearing Brian Simmons say the things that came out of his mouth, especially the blasphemy that we are exactly the same as Jesus Christ.......🤢😔
Mike, you're doing a wonderful work in the body of Christ. Thank you for this. God bless you.
Guy please pray for me I’m in constant temptation
I pray God will take away the temptation and all you will desire is Him! In Jesus name amen. God bless you brother 🕊
I’m ‘liking and sharing’…..great work Michael..
The discussion at the beginning of the video sounds like the conversation that happens with our Mormon friends around the book of Mormon. Joseph Smith received another revelation from two heavenly personages and Joseph Smith translated this message from reformed Egyptian Hieroglyphics. A language only he had to communicate a new, more correct translation of gospel.
Your work is so important 👍. Keep up the good work
I deeply enjoy and am deeply grateful for expository teaching of scripture.
But, I also enjoy the work you do also.
May the Lord bless your ministry.