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the fact that jorbs managed to fill that entire transient infinite with stuff he had to say about this game is so impressive to me
He could almost for sure talk about any single card for that long, when people ask for the "best card" it really undermines the depth of the game and cards
He filled the whole video with stuff he had to say about this game
Floor 0: let me teach you the basics
Floor 23: I'm infinite
😂😂😂
Yeah it reminded me of a similar run where I was showing my friend how to play from his completely new player perspective. I couldn't get an infinite, but I managed to Dual Wield a couple of dropkicks, which consisted on 2/3 of my deck. It wasn't as complex as this but it got him confused for a moment.
Love it! It's like smurfing to grand master except you're not ruining other players' experience in the wood league.
just curious what game do you think about when you say grand master?
@@Rectanglesful League
@@Rectanglesful chess players when they think they saw something slightly related to chess online:
@@Rectanglesful eww
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Really appreciated the "I'm going to build a strength deck!" explanation at 22:45. I get locked into the "preconstructed deck" mindset often - poison deck, Frost Orb deck, etc.
Absolutely loving this Jorbs. I'd watch all 84 videos multiple times for sure! Just hearing you talk about decisions you make is incredibly insightful to someone who doesn't particularly understand why option A is better than option B, C, D or E.
What I'd personally like to know and am unsure how to figure out is:
- what do enemies do?
- what enemies are there?
- how do you properly deal with fights (gremlin nob vs Lagavulin for instance: what's needed in a deck to win both?)
In any case, absolutely amazing content!
I also haven't figured out lagavulin yet. Gremlin Nob is just a matter of doing dmg fast and lagavulin kinda feels the same way but I think lagavulin actually comes down a lot to sequencing properly and map out how much block cards you want to play each turn.
Large attack and block cards are good vs lagavulin, powers too since you get time to set them up.
There's a mod for PC that lets you view all possibilities for what the AI will do under certain conditions, often with % chances. Generally you can figure out what enemies will do without that / the wiki, but it requires experience. Either die a lot trying, or save scum to retry fights that aren't going well, or watch a lot of Slay the Spire content here or Twitch.
For Nob and Lagavulin, they both punish slow, low damage decks. Skills are bad against Nob, obviously, but eventually you can get away with it by checking your draw pile and estimating how much damage you have/need. Lagavulin gives you a couple turns to set up, and on the 3rd and 6th turns (etc) turns after that debuffs your str & dex, which can slowly ruin even a deck that blocks very well.
So moral of the story is pick cards before those fights to do damage quickly. Taking a little damage is okay. Taking a lot can be bad, even if you survive since it could force a rest when perhaps you really need to upgrade and continue fighting elites.
a good damage potion (fire, attack, etc) makes the nob fight a lot easier. I generally see jorbs and baalor take a potion if they don't have the dps for an early elite.
big damage cards for laga as well as powers as the above said. dark orbs, terror, carve reality are notable. also for laga headbutt, hologram, rebound are really nice to have to keep ur stronger cards in play. any draw cards are good as well for the same reason. staying one step ahead that fight is important.
both of those fights are DPS checks (nob is frontload and laga is scaling) and are part of why adding as many good attack cards to ur deck early is so important.
I'd actually love to see this series go further! I've been stuck at A20 for a long time, just recently came back to the game having lost all of my knowledge and I'm slowly relearning to try to get the best as I possibly can. Your channel and streams have been inmensely helpful for that, this content is really appreciated :D
I'm exactly the same! A20 on all 3 (watcher too easy and also too hard). I remember when I got there I was watching jorbs quite a bit, and definitely has results to show from it. But since I've had interest in other games, a lot of my skill has rusted. Would love to follow this series!
Fuckin same
I just got back also trying to get 100% achievements after a huge break and am currently stuck on A14. Its quite impressive to see all these people in a similar way learning here!
@@gf41993 350 hours finally won a20, with the silent. Smiling for an hour prevented all sleeping.
@@lukemarks3281 just beat A20 with ironclad, the most cracked whirlwind build you would see lmao
Its ironic and funny how this started with nice basic tips about new players etc, and quickly ended up in a complicated infinite deck that is pure madness for new players.
Damn! :D Still fun watching you as always man. Honestly, overexplained a20 runs are great, those are the ones that teach the most to players imo.
THANK YOU. I enjoyed StS immensely, but stopped playing after a few months because I got discouraged at repeated failures that I felt were completely avoidable. I never could quite figure out what I was doing wrong or what strats/playstyles I was missing.
I look forward to (hopefully) learning from you during this playthrough!
EDIT: I can’t change how your head works, but from this end, there’s no issue with just watching you play quietly if you want to. Once the objective has been specified, I’m content to just watch it happen.
It had been a while since I'd done an A0 run, so I also started a new account and was playing while listening to this. In it, I got runic pyramid, sundial infinite (just pommel though, no fancy dropkicks), had pen nib. I was killing transient whilst jorbs was, and then I got a note to myself with iron wave in it... 30 seconds later, I hear jorbs say the same :D
Exciting stuff. I hope you focus more on the challenging things that experienced/intermediate players struggle to consistently do well in which i believe are planning and decision making for act 2 and 3 bosses and of course killing the heart on higher ascensions.
A likely reason that the achievements, like killing the transient, aren't showing is due to using mods. The game won't give you achievements even if they don't affect your game. There is an achievement enabler mod though thankfully.
This was fun, even as an experienced A20 player. A nice trip down memory lane and some interesting thoughts about how to apply things that matter in A20 to lower difficulties, even if you could probably win consistently without thinking as hard. I'd keep watching these if you keep making them!
I keep seeing this sentiment, but I can barely even make it to the third act! How tf do you get to the point where playing the game becomes mindless?
Such good advice about building a deck that is well rounded rather than super strong in one area. I was stuck trying to build decks centered around one thing like strength or poison for so long.
I think the best tip you gave for a new player is understanding that you do not have to pick up more cards.
Being able to refine a deck to have only cards you need has made me win my first run with ironclad with some weird strength, flame barrier, impervious, and blockade deck.
Building a deck in this game is very much "What do I need" rather than "What I want". Makes it a hard transition coming from a typical card game
I'm glad you gave this post a shout out in your reddit post recently. I've actually been wanting to see something like this. I've noticed that obviously all the TH-cam content is at A20, but there aren't really many videos that discuss the process of getting there and how each ascension level's new penalties affect card choices, pathing, event choices, etc...
I don't ever think I've commented on your channel, but I've been watching your content for a very long time, and this is the most excited I've been for a series since I binged every of your explained runs! I'm ravenous for more
This was very helpful. I'm coming from Star Realms, another deck builder. In that game, card control (draw, discard, removal) was the most powerful thing you could do. After playing Slay the Spire a few times, I determined maybe that wasn't the right play. Made it to the top once on my second try, 7 tries later and still hadn't made it to the top again. Decided to take a look on youtube to see what I was missing. The two key takeaways for me was Exauhsting a card is good, and skipping a card pick can be better than taking one. Thanks!
I somehow only recently found this game and I love deckbuilders but have been having trouble scaling up in difficulty in StS. Your comments on the idea of "building a strength deck" were actually super helpful for me - after I got my first couple wins I started looking for tips online and kept finding things about making certain types of decks which made sense to me in theory, but ever since trying to integrate that idea my runs have definitely gotten worse instead of better. lots of other helpful thoughts in here too!
Minor correction about the awakened one fight. Although the cultists will run away, much like minions do, meta scaling effects on fatal do work on them, so Feed, ritual dagger, hand of greed etc. I know you know this, but just in case a new player was curious how the cultists work in this fight.
Watching this video even though I've beaten A20 multiple times now. Something about Jorbs' thought process enraptures me.
The timing! Just last night I was looking for updated, in-depth guides for climbing ascensions. So many are from earlier in development with different cards/enemy balancing and no heart fight.
I had been stuck and put the game down for quite awhile due to frustration. I got silent to A18, and all the other characters were sub A5.
I’ve been watching your and Baalor’s videos for the past few months and progressed ironclad to A11 and defect to A7. Haven’t focused on watcher yet.
Im still hitting a lot of walls and I’m excited to see what I can learn with this series! Thanks Jorbs!
You know it's A0 because Jorbs upgraded dropkick. Love this style. Always more to learn.
This is a great video for explaining Exhaust! When I first started, I saw it as the way you explained new people see it. Then you set up the drop kick perfectly. You made the run look so easy!
I think that recording a video for each Ascension for each character IS overkill, but it could be an idea to records milestone levels - either where the change is significant (like Reptomancer getting two Daggers per summon) or just every 5 levels (0, 5, 10, 15, 20. Asc1 may be particularly interesting, because it spawns more Elites, which has a lot of implications for difficulty, risk-reward, pathing, etc...)
Seeing you explain things so thoughtfully, exactly, and humbly makes me confused about why your answers to questions on stream are often snarky, purposely vague, or rude.
it's a much different vibe, talking through the things you think are interesting and getting to start from scratch to build a good explanation of them, vs. talking through the things someone else thinks are interesting and immediately being told that a different answer (often one you don't understand at all) is the "right" one and having them demand an explanation of why you aren't doing that.
@@Jorbs makes sense. I understand how on guard and defensive you need to be sometimes with twitch chat, too. Thanks for the content!
great video but I have one little request. When you make those videos, that are supposed to help beginners, don't put the game on fast mode. It's easier to keep track of what cards you are playing, which helps with figuring out yourself, why it's appropraite to play a certain card at a certain time. If you learn, by figuring it out yourself, it will be easier to apply the same concepts to different situations. One hour packed full of information is very hard to remember and to apply yourself later, if people can't really keep track of the physical demonstration playing out and basically only have the verbal explanation to go off. I know, after 5000+ hours these animations and all that really can get annoying and they seem to take ages but I think the sacrifice of sitting through that for an hour, would be worth it
I just started doing this too to teach a friend who just got the game. I have already completed A20 heart several times with every character in rotation and I feel like replaying it from 0 can be quite interesting. Watching you do it now makes it even better :)
Loved the run and the commentary, it was very enjoyable. Really liked this approach. Hope to see some more videos on this matter. A video about different things to have in consideration about the different ascensions levels would be sweet too. Like, Ascender's Bane on your deck, not healing after bosses, dealing with two bosses on A20's third act.
I think it would be cool too to have the heart fight in consideration, since you're skipping resources for it, and you need to prepare your deck to deal with the heart and the Shield and Spear.
Thank you for this video and have a good day.
I like that this run focused on teaching sundial but I think it definitely detracts from the 'basics'. I think that making a point to demonstrate the 2 or 3 item interactions that form the core synergies of a flexible deck would help a lot, this demonstration sort of undermined itself by avoiding the single solution demonform, and 5he single line perfected strike, but did commit to the single line sundial.
Of course the single line pact+sundail does actually solve fights on multiple ways, but the beginning player will have a hard time understanding why building an "archetype" is a bad idea but building an "infinite" is a good idea, since most card games that offramp into slay the spire do have infinites as an archetype already, they may just consider perfected strike ×3 as the same deck building principle as exhaust + sundail
Does this deck even beat the Time Eater? Where you can only paly 12 cards before he takes away your turn?
Spot on. Going for infinite on the first beginner video of StS is a great way to have players focus on the wrong things and end up losing all their runs.
@@Kaletris yeah probably, since it also generates block
I follow Jorbs content for almost more than 2 years now. I myself don't play StS because of the time for a single run but I think I watched enough A20 content to learn how to approach the run if I play. Even if I said this, my favourite Jorbs's video is the overexplained Silent run so seeing a similar format more "beginner friendly" (we can say) is a really nice surprise, and I support the continuation of the series
Jorbs just ranting for a few minutes while doing 321 clicks to kill transient was really satisfying to watch, like
I’m 3 minutes in and already learned something new. I never knew you could see which boss was coming at the end of the ladder. I can’t wait to watch the rest of the video!
@nazarento1876the picture at the end looks like some generic boss art i can see how it can be overlooked
Took me 14 hours to complete a run, was going back n forth with the silent. Did it with ironclad. Didnt expext it to be so short. Came and watch this for 30 minutes, went back in and beat it with silent with 3 health missing from that time wizard. Thanks so much, things just clicked and I'm excited to try the other 2 characters
That's neat. As a long time follower, I really appreciated the explanation of burning pact shuffle.
Massively helpful. I just started playing < 100 hrs. this helped mucho thanks!
I feel like runic pyramid is a double-edged sword in Ironclad, especially for beginners. If your deck isn’t that optimal, and especially if you have cards that place status cards in your hand, you can end up with a hand full of garbage and drawing less than 5 cards per turn.
This is much less of a problem in Silent, which has ways of getting rid of your hand.
true, runic pyramid gets stronger the more deliberately your deck is built. it also rewards being able to generate energy in ways other than with boss relics.
You make a great point on the built in scaling in other Card Games; I never thought of it that way.
I love this sort of video, I'm bad at the game and constantly trying to learn from you! Hope you do some more of this kind of content.
Noob: Corruption is scary: it makes my skills cost 0, _but_ they exhaust!
Jorbs: Corruption is powerful: it makes my skills exhaust, and they happen to also cost 0.
Priorities!
So glad to be here for your first game of slay the spire, you are a natural
"Somebody might be watching and they don't know what ascension is"
Me. I'm somebody
As always, jorbs is giving us a premium content.
Just thank you, jorbs. You're awesome!
I’m excited. I like learning through watching people at the pinnacle explain their thoughts. Gets me to start changing my own processes when playing.
I am thrilled by the concept of more videos like this. Even more so if there are focused on specific things like this one was (to an extent). While your A20 win videos are always impressive and entertaining, there are not really suited to help beginner or intermediate players to improve - while decisions are *correct*, the amount of mental shortcuts taken for most decisions makes it nigh impossible to distill why certain choices were made. This series will hopefully help newer players build a solid foundation they can work with :).
Yes Jorbs keep this series going! I'm currently on Ascension 19 and I love listening to professional thought process and decisions making.
New here! Love it so far. Best 25$ Ive spent in a LOONG time! This game is SMART! and it's FUN!
Loved the way you explained your deck building! Never thought of it that way before. And now I understand the potential of sun dial. I never thought about using it in a combo with runic pyramid!
Yay Jorbs on the newbie stuff! :) Would love to see more of your old "Spireside chats" kinda stuff - every ironclad card is one of the best, if not the best videogame series ive ever watched and has really got me into the game.
Your video on deck size was phenomenal, I really dont know where to start on how to use the shop correctly, would be sweet to see something on that. Or even how to do the first few enemies on ironclad correctly.
I really enjoy this series, and I'm pretty sure it's not only good for new players. I'm 400h+ more with A20 on every characters and some hearts at this level and I learned a lot for ironclad, which always been my worst character.
Thanks for the really good stuff, I hope you'll keep doing this, it's really neat !
I would really like to see your explanatory focus move into the "how do I navigate this specific fight to maximize win%" category as it moves closer to A15+. When I die, I usually die in act 2 with a deck that I Know for a fact that you would obliterate the boss with, but I just don't pilot it right and die (actually I reset the fight and feel shame)
To further this, I'll mention that I realize that the exact way to navigate the deck won't help that much, but hearing what things you focus on with that deck would be helpful
One general tip that I have found to be helpful: Consider the really high impact, one-time play cards in your deck. Things like Nightmare, Corruption, Omnipotence, Catalyst etc. Every time you are entering a hard fight, i.e. every boss fight, most elite fights, and maybe some hallway fights, stop for a second and think about how you would like to ideally use that card in this particular fight. How much poison do you want for the catalyst, what card do you want to play Nightmare on etc. Only then start the fight and when you draw the card, reevaluate the situation with your initial plan in mind. Is it feasible, or do you need to adjust, because you drew it it the wrong time or the fight has gone differently than expected.
I find that I, at least, often fall into a pattern of always playing the Catalyst when I draw it, always playing Omnipotence on the same card etc. But usually, that only works for 90% of the fights, and the other 10%, it really doesn't. So forcing myself to think about it deliberately with the fight in mind is helping me a lot. For example against awakened one, I might want to play my catalyst in phase 2. And against the heart I might want to Nightmare a Piercing Wail instead of a Catalyst, since it can only take limited damage each round.
Damn I remember watching you play FTL then you started this. And every time I’d see you on twitch in my “streaming now” I’d see you just being the best Jorbs you can be. After all these years it came on Apple Arcade and I was “oh yeah there was a guy streaming that”..and I tanked my phone battery playing it. Bought it on steam. That’s my story.
Ooh, this is fun! Nice to see some more educational content on this channel. Especially like the name 'howtowin' with it showing as 'howtowin the Ironclad' in-game. Although adding an 'as' or 'with' to the end would make it work slightly better, if you care about that at all.
This confirms what I already suspected - the biggest challenge/danger to my StS runs is me xD
I enjoy any time jorbs talks at length about his thought process, so I'll on board for this sort of content
Fantastic video! Even as a A20 player with a 4 streak rotating and 600 or so hours, I am learning. That says a lot. Thanks!
This is the most informative version of Jorbs ever. Some of your best work for sure.
Kind of makes sense bc once u get into the harder difficulties his guides make no sense at all. Ironic compliment lol
Deck would've been unplayable against Time Eater and Heart. Presumably there was enough time to pivot at the start of Act 3. But it's worth mentioning that the choice to lean in on the infinite gimmick was dependent on this not being a heart run, and also on having only one Act 3 boss (Ascension 20 has you facing two out of three total).
As an instructionally-themed video specifically, this could be too big to leave out, though most of the audience probably already knows.
I know this is a year-old comment but he had infinite block against a hypothetical Heart and 66 block/turn (6 Shrugs+) against Time Eater.
I'm here for this. Subbed specifically for this video and the promise of more in the series!
I stumbled upon this video researching slay the spire, and yesterday I saw ur steam review and u have like 8.7k hours now lol that put me in shock when you mentioned u play a lot and I saw ur TH-cam channel name and it's the same jorbs haha. Awesome content :)
I'd love to see an A0 playthrough with other characters. I'm quite low right now (A3) and kind of struggling to get decks going. The advantages of Exhausting was mind-blowing to me (even before the Infinity combo was unlocked)!
Love this content! I’ve been watching for a few years and logged a measly 100 hours in that time but you’ve made STS one of my favorite passtimes
47:20 I know he was just rushing through the choices as its A0 and doesn't really matter, but Deep Breath would have been a pretty good pickup here because it accelerates Sundial - not neccessary at all but a pretty neat interaction.
The fact that you so INCREDIBLY effortlessly beat the game on a FRESH save with ironclad is just...beyond me! I'm on my 16th hour and countin (day 3) and have only gotten to awakener or whatever it was called, once. And I am torn between wanting to watch "tutorials", like this series (only watched this episode so far) or just powering through and trying to learn it myself and what not. I can definitely admit that whilst I unlock cards (not gotten all unlocks yet on any char) I often think to myself "ah, I'm gonna go a X build" just like you described, but what is so weird, is that those runs are the ones I've gotten furthest with. AND had the least resistance with. Whilst when I try to get a "balanced" deck like yours in this one, I just end up never getting the stuff I need or want :P So yeah. A huge fan of long war (both versions, and beaten them) and a HUGE fan of roguelikes and lites as well, so I almost think I should be better, but guess I'm not xD
Not a huge deckbuilder person though, even though I guess you could call Hades kinda deckbuilder. But oh well.
Edit: and yeah, super knowledgeable video. Ive also watched more or less all your LW videos over the years, and whilst we definitely dont play that game the same way, it has even then been so incredibly much to learn from them. A deep dive into your tactical mind one could say :P
This is wonderful! I love this kind of content from a player who really knows what they are doing!
Love this type of content, please more!!!
Now this is the content I hoped for when I subscribed. Great stuff, jorbs!
I have more than 1000 hours in this game, but still learned many things in these videos... Thank you! 🙂
"The Basics" -> Ends up with an infinite combo.
Dude !
This is a great instructional video jorbs! Your thoughts on the way to play have made me a much better player than I was! Thank you
It would be majorly appreciated if maybe in future videos of this type you could have music or game sound in the background. Some moments get very quiet when you take a breath or pause for a sec.
Yeah it was just an issue in the recording of the first video, the other three characters A0 runs have audio.
-Joanna aka youtube jorbs
Spamming dropkick makes me imagine ironclad is playing dying light
More videos like this would be nice. It gets very 'drawing the rest of the elephant' towards the end. Obviously, you winning A0 was a given, but Dropkick kind of became the solution to every problem, and it played out slowly. I think you could get some slightly more dynamic and generally instructive videos with more 'normal' decks.
I've learned so much watching you play! This series is gonna be amazing to follow!!
I feel like what this series could be is the ascension levels that you feel make a difference in difficulty significantly (in your mind). And how those ascensions effect your thought process
Yeah, I think each Ascension would be too much but maybe 5, 10 & 15 for each character?
I frickin' love this series. Please please please more of this.
Spheric Guardian does have 3 artifact charges on A1, you used disarm on it as well as red mask.
I appreciate this series
wait jorbs didn't beat all the achievements? wow, I didn't know I was better than jorbs at sts. I'm sure that's how it works
I searched for exactly this, glad you have shown it. I lost a run on A0 and was like, I bet Jorbs would have won this exact run xD
Wow. True grit is way better then I thought. That infinite combo possibilities make iron clad so cool!
I am a lurker, but this amazing content made me comment as i would leave to see more
Would love to see a continuation of the MiniChat series as well (been over a year). Those videos were awesome and it's a huge shame they haven't continued....I assume there is likely a good reason you haven't continued making them, but regardless I love the educational content!
I just got this game. Damn, I suck!
But also. Damn, I'm addicted
Man jorbs I cannot wait for more videos of this series, the natural climb experience isnt really something that’s been documented with your type of experience. Gunna be the highlight of my days to come
"I forgot nunchaku again."
I feel seen.
Love this series idea. If you don't feel like running all the way through 0-20 on every character, good middle ground could be A0/5/10/15/20 heart runs? Still gets the point across, still gives plenty of time to go over a ton of different concepts within the game, without having to do 84 runs with likely a lot of overlap/repeat.
Thanks for this Jorbs. A15 player here, but I'm going to chug this series anyway!
I'd love to see this series continue! As a suggestion, if you don't feel like playing all 84 runs, you can maybe skip some and do every 4 Ascensions for example.
I love the videos, one thing to note though imo, in game music was off and while listening to you talk is delightful having some background music is nice. And the ost is great
Sad that I have to finish this tomorrow, this is such an awesome idea and I’m super excited to see more of this!
This is very very cool, looking forward to continuing the series!
This is great! I haven't beaten the heart in like a year on a20.
What a fantastic idea. I hope this series continues to A20 on all characters!
The premise of this series seems really interessting. Im looking forward to the watcher runs since she is my favourite character and Ive only got her to a12 so far
This is greatly appreciated, well done and thank you.
So you actually call this a beginner guide when you go infinite and just play cards at lightspeed? lol
Here’s the strat that he ended up with:
1. Make deck strong enough to beat act 1 boss
2. Find better cards in act 2
3. Saw that he now has a way to empty his deck of garbage
4. Make enemy vulnerable (he uses red mask to do this sometimes but there’s many more ways)
5. Use drop kick (refunds 1 energy draw a card)
6. Play shrug it off (draws a card)
7. Repeat
I believe he also needed sundial for this to work correctly (gives energy when you shuffle the deck 3 times)
this is insane i lost my first 15 runs and after watching this i was able to win using all four characters in a row
my biggest weakness right now is taking to many cards. i have a had a hard time passing them up 😭
Couldnt make any better suited format for me than this as i have just started playing slay the spire, hope to see more videos like this and also for other classes!
This is cool! I'm a new(ish) player to StS.. and I really wanted to learn how to play Watcher, so I'm really looking forward to seeing a Watcher run in this series. I'm very lost on how to play that character atm
Sometimes it's nice to start fresh. You forget how relaxing this game is when it's not actively trying to kill your run.