They had to steal fuel because the Germans didn't allow full tanks for obvious reasons. They were also escorted by two BF-109's on the testflight when they made a run for it.
Love the old footage! When we see warbirds today they are properly handled with kid gloves because they are over 70 year old airframes. It is a real treat to see footage from when they were new and really thrown around the sky to show off their capabilities.
You might enjoy this one as well the fokker DXXIII prototype. that got destroyed during the bombing of schiphol airport. th-cam.com/video/ZmP5Y9cPUW8/w-d-xo.html
@@marcusfranconium3392 Definitely a cool looking warbird, but what I love to see is the aerobatic footage from when the warbirds were in their prime. Many don't know just how capable they were because today they are flown very gently. 70 yr old aircraft should be flown gently, but I love to see what they could do when every rivet was new.
There are no surviving G.Is today, although a replica has been built and is on display at the Dutch Nationaal Militair Museum (National Military Museum). Living close by the museum, which is located on the previous Soesterberg Air Base, whenever visiting we have often seen and been impressed with the Technical modernity as well as the sheer beauty of this aircraft design.
@@beetlejuise Hola beetlejuise! With the Corona limitations we have not visited the Museum for about a Year and some, thus cannot answer Your question... Being a Very OLD DUDE, My Vaccination(s) shall make a visit soon possible! :}
I remember when I was a little kid (the old location), that I saw this plane there, that's when it became my favourite WW2 plane. I've been there last year, it was not there (however there was a Tiger II tank, which wasn't there the year before), but the G1 has also disappeared from their website
I was at the museum a few days ago (16/06/2021) but didn't see a full-size replica of the Fokker G1 although perhaps that's not what you mean. Nevertheless I did see in one of the WWII wall display cabinets a beautiful model (looked like 1/48 scale but I could be wrong) of the G1 with a Fokker C-10 reconnaissance bi-plane next to it. There is, however, a full-size version of the beautiful Fokker VII inside the museum. In any case, for enthusiasts of military history the military museum at Soest is well-worth a visit.
@@beetlejuise it is still available to be seen but not all year round. it’s not in the main museum, but in a separate building together with a fokker CX. You can see it when they open the building, which mostly happens during events and vacations. The building is near the pagoda.
@@jwenting It did fly worked well but still in development.and some isues with the aft engine overheating. plus a bit of a meatgrinder when jumping out of the plane , so an ejection seat was beeing developed. The Koolhoven FK55 was another great aircraft concept . rear engined , counter rotating propelorsin the front exelent field of view . more like a 1950s jetfighter. where the cockpit was infront of the aircraft not in the center. But again in development and had over heating isues. and wrong engine type to make it work. The mock up did look verry futeristic the prototype more like a fat duck as formentioned engine was to big. oldmachinepress.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/koolhoven-fk55-mockup.jpg?w=625&h=312
Such a beauty, and one of the main what-could've-been's from the WWII era, imo. Imagine this running through the normal development life as for instance the Spitfire did, constantly being upgraded to make it more awesome, but alas.
@@colinwhyte1526 The G1 was pre war and was limited on which engines Fokker could get while the Mosquito was in its concept/designing/prototype phase during 1940. The roles between the G1 and Mosquito would be different aswell, G1 would be more similar to what the P38 did.
I have a 1/72 scale model of this beautiful plane. It's really my favourite of WW2 (Spitfire gets 2nd place and Fokker D.XXI 3rd) I really hope this plane will get into War Thunder and other WW2 combat sims...
Well , everyday is a school day. Had no idea of this protracted, frustrated and under developed aeroplane. I think this was one of many that didn't quite make it ! Many thanks .
@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters l've just been watching a number of video's on Westland 's Factory in the mid 30's Wessex , Wapiti and Lysander. Then a couple on another "failure" the Whirlwind which had it's future decided by Rolls Royce. Faster than the Spitfire in it's time . Yes, l'll have a look . Thankyou .
There's a significant similarity, certainly, but it's more a case of convergent evolution: the Do-335 was based on patents dating back to 1937, which were themselves based on the tandem motors used on the Dornier flying boats. (source: Die Deutsche Luftrüstung 1939-1945, Heinz Nowarra)
@@Otokichi786 Aviation "rotaries" were not "Wankels", but true rotaries where the entire cilinders and block rotate around a fixed crankshaft, like the Gnome, Le Rhône and Clerget, used during World War I.
In the mid-late 1930's "heavy fighter" arms race, the Bell FM-1 Airacuda should be mentioned. It was a turkey, but it was ambitious and looked very futuristic for it's day.
The Dutch G.I's were stationed at two air bases in Holland. On one, near Bergen, the base commander had ordered the valuable planes to be statrioned close together on the concrete patch in front of the hangars to avoid them sinking into the soft grass soil of the runway. When the German attack came from the seaside, all but one these aircraft were destroyed. the other base was the Rotterdam aerodrome of Waalhaven which was entirely hardened with concrete and here the fighters had been stationed with long intervals at the edge of the aerodrome. This meant that the initial German bombardment did not knock any of them out, but it also meant that the crews had to run to their aircraft as no transport was available for them. Of the 13 G.I's at the base, only ten made it into the air and the last one had only the pilot, (the tail gunner did not run as fast) and it was hit by ground fire and crashed. The remaining nine aircraft scored 13 kills in that one sortie (bombers, transports and fighters), proving the potential of the aircraft, but when they needed to land they faced a problem. Their home base had been overrun by German paratroopers and those that landed on it were lost inmmediately. Others landed on the beach near The Hague and were shot up by German fighters while the crews were looking for fuel and ammo. One landed in a field and the rough landing broke up the plane and one landed in the north of the province of Holland. This is how the Dutch force of G.I's was almost entirely wiped out on the first day of the war in the Netherlands.
@@a.vanwijk2268 I stand corrected, you are quite right. The Valkenburg airfield was near Katwijk and the G.I's were in Bergen. I have corrected my reply.
Yep, he was of course the designer of the German planes in WW 1, easy to conclude. When he started he was driven out of the country because of all the rules the Dutch government shot at him. In the end he made a long nose and was a hero for Germany, at the end of WW1 he put all of his factory and planes he had left on trains and escaped to the Netherlands to become there a hero of the people, not of the establisment, they hated his guts but couldn’t do a thing in the open because we had allowed the German Kaiser as a refugee in exile. The result was that he was always a paria for the Dutch Government, he died (during an operation on his sinuses) in New York, in 1939, age 49, by then an American citizen.
Thanks for a very good film on this aircraft. It was built to a French idea. It had contra rotating props in the prototype only. For only the french firm was interseted in providing the needed gearwork. See the picture of the salon and look at the props. A forerunner for the P38 especially when you look at the D23 retractable nose wheel. The Dutch army airarm botched it in wanting a three man crew. 36 G1a large 3 person were deliverd. And 26 G1b small export were confiscated yet we didn't have enough guns. They came from Belgium. We Dutch had the problem of not having a large industry and great defense cuts in the thirties. The concept of a fast wooden fighter bomber was proven in the P38 of which 6000 on order were canceld in 1945. And by the Mosquito. Look at a photo of the front with the bombbay and heavy front eight guns. The fact that the soft ground at the new airbase at Bergen they were all bunched up there was a stupid mistake of the commander. Further more the division of airtroops dropped on Waalhaven para and Ypenburg and Valkenburg seriously degraded the Dutch air arm from the start. The Germans were not impressed with the Dutch defense. Poltics and soldiers in a defense cut mindset fighting the war the winning French did. Us being netral in WW1. The Dutch engineers however performed great.
A succesful defense against Germany was impossible anyway, at least on our own. We were always reliant on the English and French coming to our aid. When that failed to materialize in a meaningful manner, it was a matter of time. Considering that the Germans thought they could do it in a day and sitll took 5 days is a testament to how well we did considering the means at our disposal. With better preparation we could have done better, but in the end I doubt we could have held out much longer.
@@kimwit1307 Well, yes and no. Since I was a kid I’ve been very interested in the Dutch defense (pun intended) after WWI so the interbellum until May 1940. And although my dad gave me the French resistance fighter for my Action man, telling me about my granddads and his exploits in the resistance, I wasn’t interested so much in that. Having especially during my work as a DA and lawyer studied psychology of conflicts. The intuitive reason is that preventing a war and thus losing it is better than to concentrate on what to do ounce it has gone wrong. So with the benefit of hindsight, we Dutch were correct in being critical like Winston Churchill and the USA especially on the French getting back at the Germans akin what happened in 1870. Payments and grabbing land instead of what Lincoln, Grant & Sherman knew and I guess was taught at military academies: when you win start flirting. Anyway Foch didn’t grasp this for he correctly predicted that the Versailles treaty wasn’t a peace treaty but a non-aggression pact for twenty years. Foch wanted to put the Germans down even harder.
Simple arithmetic. It takes 18 years to build a new soldier. The horrors of the war made my granddad as a communist also a pacifist. Which was the line of the Dutch politics and for the liberals war is bad for trade and costs too much.
It was as with the French a mindset problem. It simply took too long to grasp what was happening. The technology after a deep crises was in a breathtakingly fast mass production. If we Dutch had had the psychology correct team in order than we would of grasped - given that all other measures failed such as the pre UN - that the area an army and air power needs to maneuver would be greater and it would be especially with Limburg be neigh impossible to stay out of a war. Unless we were to stay abreast with the weaponry by building a sufficient arms industry also for the colonies. Assuming that the other countries wouldn’t follow our development a fairly strong Dutch army of eight field army divisions with 200 tanks and ten territorial divisions with the air arm plan of general Raaijmakers in place that was formulated in 1936 with modern first line aircraft such as the G1 and modern radio and radar which Philips the only factory we indeed did have, the Germans with neigh certainty would not even have attempted the air drop in which they successfully did what the allies failed to do in Market Garden. The plan could have been say 72 G1 fighter bombers; 72 D21 & D23 fighters ; 54 T5 & T9 medium bombers; 36 Northrop 8a dive bombers; 72 C10 scout planes (the BTW correct concept out of the Bristol Fighter contrary to the Defiant. The Fins built a replacement in 1944 for this incorrectly deemed obsolete "Apache" of its day. Correct tactical use. Also see the Finish air aces with the D21. Use radio and not the vic like the RAF. The D21 could do power dives of 700 km/u following a Stuka. And could hold its own even against a Me 109E.) Had they given the weaponry they had then attacked they would have been stopped dead in their tracks and with hindsight admiral Canaris would of disposed of Hitler that was the plan based on the assumption even of Guderian that they only had a 10% chance of winning against the mighty French top dog. Had the French not been bluffed by Rommel and Guderian not following orders the Germans might have even been stopped even with a weak Dutch. Nobody expected it to kick off this fast. And you can’t decide what we Dutch in effect did to build a modern army starting in 1935 or 1937 when you don’t have an arms industry and at least like the Germans a well trained professional nucleus of an army. Everything for a G1 fighter apart from the paint needed to be imported from other industries that couldn’t or weren’t allowed to export. Had the Germans not invaded neutral Netherlands than they would have needed to change the plan for the attack was especially needed for two critical points: 1 Simply the room to get all the mass of force needed through in time and 2. To draw the allies as far North as possible in order to be able to cut them off in encirclement. So I don’t agree with you. A strong Dutch would of deterred an attack or caused a coup against Hitler when failing as was probable even without a strong Dutch defense. My granddad having become a garage holder became a democrat overnight and a in the armed resistance non-pacifist when the Nazis started deporting Jews. He refused the resistance cross after the war due to a far larger trauma than my parents ever knew. My other granddad an MD told his friend how to deal with that. He never developed PTSS. Focus on the future stay active socially and once a year remembrance and the day after party time. I know it worked.
Learn from history or relive it. We are at the brink of a Dr Ingo Piepers WW3. Wrong mindset and thinking we are strong.
@@gerhardris Thanks for the extended reply. There are a lot of ifs in these kind of scenarios. If you are interested in those kind of thing, I suggest you take a look at the Alternate History Forum. There are some (partly) dutch WWI and WWII timelines there that make for an interesting read. Funny how you mention that your grandfather refused the resistance cross. I believe mine did too and he rarely talked about his experiences in the war and never about the resistance. The family only got a clue about any of that when he was already retired. His father did get the resistance cross: he was killed in a nazi-camp.
When I was a History student, I wrote a paper about the Dutch Army Aviation during the 'Maydays' of 1940. Literally the days in May that the Germans invaded. The G.1 was definitely a much better plane than the German Bf-110. Fact was it could go toe to toe with a Bf-109. While being less maneuverable than the Bf-109, the G.1 had a very good tailgun position with excellent all around vision. The Bf-110's tailgunner could only fire at enemies coming from above, not from below. It couldn't even see enemies coming from below.
Despite being able to turn a tighter circle than the Bf-109, Spitfire & Hurricane, the Bf-110 suffered from a very poor roll rate, which nerfed its agility in a dogfight. The fastest fighter deployed by both sides, during the Battle of Britain, was the Bf-110 C4N with a top true (ground equivalent) air speed (TAS) of 362 MPH. The most common version deployed was the Bf-110 C4 with a TAS top speed of 293 MPH.
@@CZ350tuner I believe the Bf-110 were most succesful when used in independent low-level bombing raids. But as a long range escort fighter they failed.
@@AudieHolland Yep. That was in fact part of the 110's original design spec, the other aspect being long range escort fighter. They were far more of a menace to RAF Fighter Command in the first role than the second. Looking at the stats, on paper the G1 & 110 had almost identical top speed but the lower wingloading on the G1 ought to have given it noticably better manoeverability, it reportedly had usefully better rate of climb too.
The escaped aircraft was actually shot down by the British due to not knowing what side that aircraft belonged to. The escape was from 2 German Messerschmitt fighters who couldn't keep up and lost it almost right away from the rapid climbing ability of the G.I. The pilot flew until after the war with a Spitfire under Dutch flag while the second occupant was added to a bomber squadron and (so far my sources go, which in the case of this second occupant is limited) got shot down over Germany. There seems to be no known reference regarding where this person went after that or whether he was KIA. The pilot managed to stay alive and told me the story of his escape in early 2000. The pilot passed away unfortunately only a few years later.
The mosquito, p38 lightning and the Kurt tank Fw187 were the successful versions of this concept. The me 110 could have been great but like most German aircraft got bogged down by rediculous requirements for it to be a dive bomber and just not having a proper engine for the weight involved, though it fought on throughout the war
i still though wonder whether the concept in terms of a heavy fighter was good idea. I dont know about P38s but most twin engined fighters seemed to have been too big a target and not agile enough to function effectively in the role..the Me110 being the case in point, notwithstanding the changes you mention
Eh, what? The Fw187 is the design that got its shins blown out by the RLM due to Messerschmitt’s interventions, despite it being the superior heavy fighter compared to the Bf110 and a much better escort than either the Bf109 or 110 could ever hope to be. It wasn’t successful in the slightest Something that funnily enough really ended up biting the Germans in the ass when they eventually attempted to imitate the success of the British Mosquitoes with the Ta-154, but it was too little too late
Fun fact, During the 5 days of the invasion of the Netherlands a big chunk of the luftwaffes junkers transport fleet got decimated. And even more during the invasion of crete. This caused the transportplane shortage that doomed the airbridge to stalingrad.
This design had a lot of potential, but they tried to do too much with it. It could have been the Dutch version of the P-38, but adding bombing rolls to it made it too heavy and bulky to be an air superiority fighter.
@@boszdekler5304 they were actually quite close in development IIRC. The P-38 first flew in 1937. They were made for different roles though. The P-38 was supposed to be purely a wicked fast bomber interceptor, not necessarily a heavy fighter like the G1 or other European designs.
@@sethvanast8323 no, Lockheed won a contract to build the prototype in 1937. Construction began in July of 1938. The design was inspired by contemporaries like the Fokker G-1. That’s taken from the Wikipedia about the Lightning.
I mean, sure, The g1 looked good when compared to aircrafts that already were in service but the morane saulnier 405's first flight pre-dates the g1's unveilment at the paris air show by more than a year and potez would get the 630 flying before the g1 as well, let's not forget that the hawker hurricane's maiden fligh was also a year old by the time of that air show.
@EdNashsMilitaryMatters >>> Was there a difference between the *_"US Army Air Corps"_* and *_"US Army Air Force"?_* {Prior to the establiahment of the USAF after WWII?} Were the terms interchangeable? Something like how the *_"P-51"_* became the *_"F-51,"_* the *_"Pursuit"_* designation being replaced with *_"Fighter."_* {Thanks in advance.}
More like the Northrop P-61 'Black Widow' night-fighter. The P-38 was a much smaller airframe, with inline engines and the Beaufighter was an adaptation of the Beaufort light bomber, ultimately to gain notoriety as the RAF's pioneer night-fighter.
Really nice presentation of the G.1, although there's some misleading footage; the plane seen from 3:58 to 5:25 is an RC model, made to look old with a video editing program. The footage of this model has been circling around on the internet/YT for several years now and has often been mistaken for real. So the G.1 was a pretty cool airplane, but it was not thAt agile!
@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters No worries m8, I just noticed several comments on the flight characteristics in the comment section. Great stuff going on your channel, keep those vids coming! 👍
@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters RC models are basicly scaled down version , it doesnt alter flight characterstics. there is some footage of the aircraft doing loops and they are not unsimular Also glad to inform that the Fokker D21 restauration is nearing completion sadly covid kept from sertifying the aircraft.
@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters Its was quite the little seremony when it roled out of the hanger a few months ago. sorry the below video about the project is in dutch but you can see the aircraft as it stands now. th-cam.com/video/xOsPU8YUTdk/w-d-xo.html
They are building a working replica, also worth a watch Fokker D23 or DXXIII , also a twin boomed twin engined fighter, Only tandam engined , single seat , triangle retractable landing gear and with the proposed engines the same as in the Me109 and spitfires ( not able to be deliverd due to export embargos )they would fly 100 km faster than either the Me 109 and spitfire. th-cam.com/video/ZmP5Y9cPUW8/w-d-xo.html
Not a heavy fighter fan, but this one was done well. The handling it demonstrated made it look as if it could hold it's own against standard single seaters. And that armament, wow.
This could have been a really useful aircraft with a little more development. I wonder if it could Have been fitted with something like the RR Merlin, Daimler Benz or Alison inline V engines?
Pretty obvious where Kelly Johnson got his inspiration for the P-38. I'd never heard of this plane before. I'm sure it was no coincidence that this plane was first shown at the Paris Airshow the same year that Lockheed started designing the P-38.
I have to say also, that the XVII is a very nice looking aircraft but then I love all the latest biplanes of whatever air force. Back in my model building days, that's what I was mostly building.
I just rewatched the fokker D21 video and compared to the contemparary fighters it was just as impresive . as it was faster and more modern than the foreign aircraft shown .
Rather NEGATIVE commentary on Your Personal Life experience, rather than on the Reality of the 1930s Nederland's Aeronautical Scene; Your upside down Icon leads one to think You spend a lotta time trying to stick Your head up your ASS.... based on Your inherent NEGATIVITY, one imagines You often succeed.
And you are from which country may I ask ? Because that "too little too late" thing applies to quite a lot of the 200 something countries this Earth has. Don't let the 97 thumbs up go to your head and make you think you definetely must be one of the great thinkers of the 21st century. And no, I'm not from the Netherlands.
There isn't much more than a superficial similarity. The Fw 189 was designed as a slow, lightly armed short-range reconnaissance aircraft which was later given underwing racks for small bombs and up-gunned and pressed into service as a ground-strafer. It had no capability as a fighter.
@@davidjones332 hmm, or is was adopted to serve as recon plane? by 1942 it was obvious that 2 engine fighters are obsolete. But as a support plane it was a very good. the shape of the wing, tails, cabin and rear gun position are almost identical. besides, Uhu was as manuevarble and fast in a dive as many fighters. so i d say, a good adoptation of dutch ideas.
Paris airshow , was high caliber event for aircraft designers. The paris airshow showed the G1 in 1936 and the specifications of the P38 where set in 1937.
I wonder whether Northrop were taking notes (?) As this Fokker might have influenced the design bureau responsible for the P-61 'Black Widow' night-fighter that came into service with the USAAF in the European theatre towards the end of WW2.
Most people don't know the G-1 design was German by Erich Schatzki.After escaping the Nazis to America he designed one of the most powerfull fighters of WW II The Republic P47 Thunderbolt.
Fokker's trimotor, between the wars, was, atonetime, responsible for some sixty percent of all takeoffs and landings in the world. It looked like a Ford Trimotor but was wood and cloth.
And flew faster and farther away carrying more passengers per flight than the Ford. And actually, the Ford Tri motor was a copy of the Fokker, to the extent that the design was so similar that Junkers sued and won when Ford attempted to export an aircraft to Europe. In 1930, Ford countersued in Prage and despite the possibility of anti-German sentiment, was decisively defeated a second time, with the court finding that Ford had infringed upon Junkers' patent...
@@klupeeteable They did purchase some of them? How many? Were they already repainted and ready to ship? Where can I find details and maybe pictures? What about license to manufacture them in Finland ?
I wonder how this aircraft would have performed with Rolls-Royce Merlin engines with roughly 465 more horsepower at takeoff. It would probably have had the same effect as it did on the P51 Mustang.
Here is the thing it was designed for more powerfull engines , and even the D XXIII was desigend with the merlin engines in mind. pushing it 100km above a spitfire and me 109. The Fokker T5 bomber was also build with larger more powerfull engines in mind.
A really cool design, but operationally it would have had the same limited level of success as the German ME-110 and Japanese KI-45 "Nick." Both were found to be completely inadequate as dog fighters and suffered heavy losses to Allied fighters. They only found only success in a bomber killer role.
looking on how the Fokker D21 did in finland , It could have been an extremely effective fighter , If finland ordered them and had them during the time they had the Fokker D21s , it could have been a masacre for the russian aircraft .
it was an advanced aircraft and p0robably served as a platform for various companies both Axis and Allies to develop their own....i.e cockpit looks very much like FW189 tail like P38 nose and too forward engines like Mosquito etc
The only comment I have is that my country is not called Holland, but The Netherlands (or more accurately The Kingdom of the Netherlands, but that is typically only used on official documents). Holland is the name of only 2 of the 12 provinces of my country (North and South Holland, with North Holland containing Amsterdam and South Holland containing Rotterdam), so for the people who live in the other 10 provinces (Friesland, Groningen, Drente, Overijssel, Flevoland, Utrecht, Gelderland, Zeeland, Noord-Brabant and Limburg) I want to ask everone to use the proper name: The Netherlands!
Those men who stole one and escaped in it to England .... I'd watch that movie!
In a very non-British plane with German markings no less!
They had to steal fuel because the Germans didn't allow full tanks for obvious reasons. They were also escorted by two BF-109's on the testflight when they made a run for it.
two Belgians did the same with a stolen stampe SV4 biplane
They landed in Whales. 🐳
Love the old footage! When we see warbirds today they are properly handled with kid gloves because they are over 70 year old airframes. It is a real treat to see footage from when they were new and really thrown around the sky to show off their capabilities.
You might enjoy this one as well the fokker DXXIII prototype. that got destroyed during the bombing of schiphol airport. th-cam.com/video/ZmP5Y9cPUW8/w-d-xo.html
@@marcusfranconium3392 Definitely a cool looking warbird, but what I love to see is the aerobatic footage from when the warbirds were in their prime. Many don't know just how capable they were because today they are flown very gently. 70 yr old aircraft should be flown gently, but I love to see what they could do when every rivet was new.
@@brianmoore1164 well hold on your hat as they are building an working replica.
You do realise that was an r/c model right?
Just what I was thinking. Good observation.
Would love to see a comparison between the G1 and the P-38.
The G1 was under supported. What a great plane.
There are no surviving G.Is today, although a replica has been built and is on display at the Dutch Nationaal Militair Museum (National Military Museum). Living close by the museum, which is located on the previous Soesterberg Air Base, whenever visiting we have often seen and been impressed with the Technical modernity as well as the sheer beauty of this aircraft design.
Is it still on display? i was there about 6 months back and i have not seen it and i was under impression the replica was in storage.
@@beetlejuise Hola beetlejuise! With the Corona limitations we have not visited the Museum for about a Year and some, thus cannot answer Your question... Being a Very OLD DUDE, My Vaccination(s) shall make a visit soon possible! :}
I remember when I was a little kid (the old location), that I saw this plane there, that's when it became my favourite WW2 plane.
I've been there last year, it was not there (however there was a Tiger II tank, which wasn't there the year before), but the G1 has also disappeared from their website
I was at the museum a few days ago (16/06/2021) but didn't see a full-size replica of the Fokker G1 although perhaps that's not what you mean. Nevertheless I did see in one of the WWII wall display cabinets a beautiful model (looked like 1/48 scale but I could be wrong) of the G1 with a Fokker C-10 reconnaissance bi-plane next to it. There is, however, a full-size version of the beautiful Fokker VII inside the museum. In any case, for enthusiasts of military history the military museum at Soest is well-worth a visit.
@@beetlejuise it is still available to be seen but not all year round. it’s not in the main museum, but in a separate building together with a fokker CX. You can see it when they open the building, which mostly happens during events and vacations. The building is near the pagoda.
Fokker designs were among the best of their times... this and the DXXI are among my favorites.
Did you forget the DXXIII ?
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@@marcusfranconium3392 the DXXIII was a brilliant idea but never tested. It did live on in some German designs of the late war.
@@jwenting It did fly worked well but still in development.and some isues with the aft engine overheating. plus a bit of a meatgrinder when jumping out of the plane , so an ejection seat was beeing developed.
The Koolhoven FK55 was another great aircraft concept . rear engined , counter rotating propelorsin the front exelent field of view . more like a 1950s jetfighter. where the cockpit was infront of the aircraft not in the center.
But again in development and had over heating isues. and wrong engine type to make it work.
The mock up did look verry futeristic the prototype more like a fat duck as formentioned engine was to big.
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Still think it's the best looking aircraft Fokker ever built.
The friendship is beautyfull
@@gijsbertuslaurensvandevooren Agree, and it is aerobatic as well.
The D-XXI (D-21) was pretty good-looking too
S13 is a looker as well imho. And the D.XXI
i'm going for the D23 ;)
Such a beauty, and one of the main what-could've-been's from the WWII era, imo. Imagine this running through the normal development life as for instance the Spitfire did, constantly being upgraded to make it more awesome, but alas.
It would have needed a lot of upgrades to put in on par with the De Havilland Mosquito
@@colinwhyte1526 The G1 was pre war and was limited on which engines Fokker could get while the Mosquito was in its concept/designing/prototype phase during 1940.
The roles between the G1 and Mosquito would be different aswell, G1 would be more similar to what the P38 did.
Working on a Fokker even today, (F28-Mk100), I am getting to learn new things daily. And there is so much history in this more modern aircraft...
Fokker not having produced aircraft for decades, it must be quite a bit of history that F28 has. Haven't seen one quite a while.
@@chubbymoth5810 croatian carrier TradeAir still has one,today in Cologne
I have a 1/72 scale model of this beautiful plane. It's really my favourite of WW2 (Spitfire gets 2nd place and Fokker D.XXI 3rd)
I really hope this plane will get into War Thunder and other WW2 combat sims...
Which company made that 1/72 scale model and +/- which year did you buy it? I am interested in trying to get it.
@@larsrons7937MPM has a 1:72 scale kit.
Well , everyday is a school day. Had no idea of this protracted, frustrated and under developed aeroplane. I think this was one of many that didn't quite make it ! Many thanks .
@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters l've just been watching a number of video's on Westland 's Factory in the mid 30's Wessex , Wapiti and Lysander. Then a couple on another "failure" the Whirlwind which had it's future decided by Rolls Royce. Faster than the Spitfire in it's time . Yes, l'll have a look . Thankyou .
Beautiful airplane. The agility is impressive for such a fairly large construction!
That video is very impressive!
I think that video is a modern rc model. Or sped up
@@chrismartin3197 Think again
Another big surprise is the Fokker D23 or DXXIII which was in test in 1940 and has resemblance with the Dornier Do 335 - Pfeil
There's a significant similarity, certainly, but it's more a case of convergent evolution: the Do-335 was based on patents dating back to 1937, which were themselves based on the tandem motors used on the Dornier flying boats. (source: Die Deutsche Luftrüstung 1939-1945, Heinz Nowarra)
Very nice review of a little known aircraft...
Reminds me of the P38 Lightning, with rotary engines & the addition of the rear gunner.
Hold on there, "Rotary Engines" were World War I tech. The Fokker G.1 had Radial engines. ("Wankel"? Who's that?;)
@@Otokichi786 Aviation "rotaries" were not "Wankels", but true rotaries where the entire cilinders and block rotate around a fixed crankshaft, like the Gnome, Le Rhône and Clerget, used during World War I.
That's probably where Kelly Johnson got the basic layout of the Lightning from.
Did you mean radial engines?
I would say this bears much more resemblance with the P61 Black Widow
In the mid-late 1930's "heavy fighter" arms race, the Bell FM-1 Airacuda should be mentioned. It was a turkey, but it was ambitious and looked very futuristic for it's day.
Yes. The basic idea wasn't that bad but it's implementation was ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_YFM-1_Airacuda
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Ugly, slow and looked like something straight out of a Jetsons cartoon lol... guess you can call that "futuristic" ... sort of... XD XD
The Dutch G.I's were stationed at two air bases in Holland. On one, near Bergen, the base commander had ordered the valuable planes to be statrioned close together on the concrete patch in front of the hangars to avoid them sinking into the soft grass soil of the runway. When the German attack came from the seaside, all but one these aircraft were destroyed. the other base was the Rotterdam aerodrome of Waalhaven which was entirely hardened with concrete and here the fighters had been stationed with long intervals at the edge of the aerodrome. This meant that the initial German bombardment did not knock any of them out, but it also meant that the crews had to run to their aircraft as no transport was available for them. Of the 13 G.I's at the base, only ten made it into the air and the last one had only the pilot, (the tail gunner did not run as fast) and it was hit by ground fire and crashed. The remaining nine aircraft scored 13 kills in that one sortie (bombers, transports and fighters), proving the potential of the aircraft, but when they needed to land they faced a problem. Their home base had been overrun by German paratroopers and those that landed on it were lost inmmediately. Others landed on the beach near The Hague and were shot up by German fighters while the crews were looking for fuel and ammo. One landed in a field and the rough landing broke up the plane and one landed in the north of the province of Holland. This is how the Dutch force of G.I's was almost entirely wiped out on the first day of the war in the Netherlands.
Amazing !
I though the base in the dunes was near Bergen, that's what it says in a book by Thijs Postma.
@@a.vanwijk2268 I stand corrected, you are quite right. The Valkenburg airfield was near Katwijk and the G.I's were in Bergen. I have corrected my reply.
Thank you for another great presentation!
Amazing and beautiful film footage. Job well done.
Great video, love seeing these planes I've never heard of.
I just bought a model of the peashooter!
And I plan on doing a reasonable job of building it.... hopefully.
That thing looks Very agile!
thanks Ed, i thought i was a buff, and haven't seen many of the aircraft in this vid! i always mistook Fokker as a German engineer. cheers mate!
Easy to get mixed up with Focke (of Focke Wulf)
Yep, he was of course the designer of the German planes in WW 1, easy to conclude. When he started he was driven out of the country because of all the rules the Dutch government shot at him. In the end he made a long nose and was a hero for Germany, at the end of WW1 he put all of his factory and planes he had left on trains and escaped to the Netherlands to become there a hero of the people, not of the establisment, they hated his guts but couldn’t do a thing in the open because we had allowed the German Kaiser as a refugee in exile.
The result was that he was always a paria for the Dutch Government, he died (during an operation on his sinuses) in New York, in 1939, age 49, by then an American citizen.
You show some interesting aircraft. Many thanks.
In The Netherlands there were four different companies costructing aeroplanes:
1. Fokker
2. Koolhoven
3. Pander
4. Schelde
and Aviolanda
and Van Berkel
and Trompenburg-Spyker
And Werkspoor (sort of)
You seem to find an endless supply of fascinating obscure aircraft, thanks, ^oo^
I know of this aircraft, but wasn't aware of how good it was. Great video, Ed.
Thank you. One of my very early ones, I believe.
Very good vid bud, thanks for your effort
Thanks for a very good film on this aircraft.
It was built to a French idea.
It had contra rotating props in the prototype only. For only the french firm was interseted in providing the needed gearwork. See the picture of the salon and look at the props. A forerunner for the P38 especially when you look at the D23 retractable nose wheel.
The Dutch army airarm botched it in wanting a three man crew. 36 G1a large 3 person were deliverd. And 26 G1b small export were confiscated yet we didn't have enough guns. They came from Belgium.
We Dutch had the problem of not having a large industry and great defense cuts in the thirties.
The concept of a fast wooden fighter bomber was proven in the P38 of which 6000 on order were canceld in 1945. And by the Mosquito.
Look at a photo of the front with the bombbay and heavy front eight guns.
The fact that the soft ground at the new airbase at Bergen they were all bunched up there was a stupid mistake of the commander.
Further more the division of airtroops dropped on Waalhaven para and Ypenburg and Valkenburg seriously degraded the Dutch air arm from the start.
The Germans were not impressed with the Dutch defense. Poltics and soldiers in a defense cut mindset fighting the war the winning French did. Us being netral in WW1.
The Dutch engineers however performed great.
A succesful defense against Germany was impossible anyway, at least on our own. We were always reliant on the English and French coming to our aid. When that failed to materialize in a meaningful manner, it was a matter of time. Considering that the Germans thought they could do it in a day and sitll took 5 days is a testament to how well we did considering the means at our disposal. With better preparation we could have done better, but in the end I doubt we could have held out much longer.
@@kimwit1307 Well, yes and no. Since I was a kid I’ve been very interested in the Dutch defense (pun intended) after WWI so the interbellum until May 1940. And although my dad gave me the French resistance fighter for my Action man, telling me about my granddads and his exploits in the resistance, I wasn’t interested so much in that. Having especially during my work as a DA and lawyer studied psychology of conflicts. The intuitive reason is that preventing a war and thus losing it is better than to concentrate on what to do ounce it has gone wrong.
So with the benefit of hindsight, we Dutch were correct in being critical like Winston Churchill and the USA especially on the French getting back at the Germans akin what happened in 1870. Payments and grabbing land instead of what Lincoln, Grant & Sherman knew and I guess was taught at military academies: when you win start flirting. Anyway Foch didn’t grasp this for he correctly predicted that the Versailles treaty wasn’t a peace treaty but a non-aggression pact for twenty years. Foch wanted to put the Germans down even harder.
Simple arithmetic. It takes 18 years to build a new soldier. The horrors of the war made my granddad as a communist also a pacifist. Which was the line of the Dutch politics and for the liberals war is bad for trade and costs too much.
It was as with the French a mindset problem. It simply took too long to grasp what was happening. The technology after a deep crises was in a breathtakingly fast mass production.
If we Dutch had had the psychology correct team in order than we would of grasped - given that all other measures failed such as the pre UN - that the area an army and air power needs to maneuver would be greater and it would be especially with Limburg be neigh impossible to stay out of a war. Unless we were to stay abreast with the weaponry by building a sufficient arms industry also for the colonies. Assuming that the other countries wouldn’t follow our development a fairly strong Dutch army of eight field army divisions with 200 tanks and ten territorial divisions with the air arm plan of general Raaijmakers in place that was formulated in 1936 with modern first line aircraft such as the G1 and modern radio and radar which Philips the only factory we indeed did have, the Germans with neigh certainty would not even have attempted the air drop in which they successfully did what the allies failed to do in Market Garden.
The plan could have been say 72 G1 fighter bombers; 72 D21 & D23 fighters ; 54 T5 & T9 medium bombers; 36 Northrop 8a dive bombers; 72 C10 scout planes (the BTW correct concept out of the Bristol Fighter contrary to the Defiant. The Fins built a replacement in 1944 for this incorrectly deemed obsolete "Apache" of its day. Correct tactical use. Also see the Finish air aces with the D21. Use radio and not the vic like the RAF. The D21 could do power dives of 700 km/u following a Stuka. And could hold its own even against a Me 109E.)
Had they given the weaponry they had then attacked they would have been stopped dead in their tracks and with hindsight admiral Canaris would of disposed of Hitler that was the plan based on the assumption even of Guderian that they only had a 10% chance of winning against the mighty French top dog. Had the French not been bluffed by Rommel and Guderian not following orders the Germans might have even been stopped even with a weak Dutch. Nobody expected it to kick off this fast. And you can’t decide what we Dutch in effect did to build a modern army starting in 1935 or 1937 when you don’t have an arms industry and at least like the Germans a well trained professional nucleus of an army. Everything for a G1 fighter apart from the paint needed to be imported from other industries that couldn’t or weren’t allowed to export.
Had the Germans not invaded neutral Netherlands than they would have needed to change the plan for the attack was especially needed for two critical points: 1 Simply the room to get all the mass of force needed through in time and 2. To draw the allies as far North as possible in order to be able to cut them off in encirclement.
So I don’t agree with you. A strong Dutch would of deterred an attack or caused a coup against Hitler when failing as was probable even without a strong Dutch defense.
My granddad having become a garage holder became a democrat overnight and a in the armed resistance non-pacifist when the Nazis started deporting Jews. He refused the resistance cross after the war due to a far larger trauma than my parents ever knew. My other granddad an MD told his friend how to deal with that. He never developed PTSS. Focus on the future stay active socially and once a year remembrance and the day after party time. I know it worked.
Learn from history or relive it. We are at the brink of a Dr Ingo Piepers WW3. Wrong mindset and thinking we are strong.
@@gerhardris Thanks for the extended reply. There are a lot of ifs in these kind of scenarios. If you are interested in those kind of thing, I suggest you take a look at the Alternate History Forum. There are some (partly) dutch WWI and WWII timelines there that make for an interesting read.
Funny how you mention that your grandfather refused the resistance cross. I believe mine did too and he rarely talked about his experiences in the war and never about the resistance. The family only got a clue about any of that when he was already retired. His father did get the resistance cross: he was killed in a nazi-camp.
Thanks for this very interesting vid on a plane that deserved a better career in WW2
When I was a History student, I wrote a paper about the Dutch Army Aviation during the 'Maydays' of 1940. Literally the days in May that the Germans invaded.
The G.1 was definitely a much better plane than the German Bf-110.
Fact was it could go toe to toe with a Bf-109. While being less maneuverable than the Bf-109, the G.1 had a very good tailgun position with excellent all around vision.
The Bf-110's tailgunner could only fire at enemies coming from above, not from below. It couldn't even see enemies coming from below.
Despite being able to turn a tighter circle than the Bf-109, Spitfire & Hurricane, the Bf-110 suffered from a very poor roll rate, which nerfed its agility in a dogfight.
The fastest fighter deployed by both sides, during the Battle of Britain, was the Bf-110 C4N with a top true (ground equivalent) air speed (TAS) of 362 MPH.
The most common version deployed was the Bf-110 C4 with a TAS top speed of 293 MPH.
@@CZ350tuner I believe the Bf-110 were most succesful when used in independent low-level bombing raids.
But as a long range escort fighter they failed.
@@AudieHolland Yep. That was in fact part of the 110's original design spec, the other aspect being long range escort fighter.
They were far more of a menace to RAF Fighter Command in the first role than the second.
Looking at the stats, on paper the G1 & 110 had almost identical top speed but the lower wingloading on the G1 ought to have given it noticably better manoeverability, it reportedly had usefully better rate of climb too.
The escaped aircraft was actually shot down by the British due to not knowing what side that aircraft belonged to. The escape was from 2 German Messerschmitt fighters who couldn't keep up and lost it almost right away from the rapid climbing ability of the G.I. The pilot flew until after the war with a Spitfire under Dutch flag while the second occupant was added to a bomber squadron and (so far my sources go, which in the case of this second occupant is limited) got shot down over Germany. There seems to be no known reference regarding where this person went after that or whether he was KIA. The pilot managed to stay alive and told me the story of his escape in early 2000. The pilot passed away unfortunately only a few years later.
At the Paris air show the plane fell from its holding points, and sabotage was thought of...
It's 40 Mph slower than the 1939 Bf 110 but much more agile. Swings and roundabouts.
The mosquito, p38 lightning and the Kurt tank Fw187 were the successful versions of this concept. The me 110 could have been great but like most German aircraft got bogged down by rediculous requirements for it to be a dive bomber and just not having a proper engine for the weight involved, though it fought on throughout the war
i still though wonder whether the concept in terms of a heavy fighter was good idea. I dont know about P38s but most twin engined fighters seemed to have been too big a target and not agile enough to function effectively in the role..the Me110 being the case in point, notwithstanding the changes you mention
Eh, what? The Fw187 is the design that got its shins blown out by the RLM due to Messerschmitt’s interventions, despite it being the superior heavy fighter compared to the Bf110 and a much better escort than either the Bf109 or 110 could ever hope to be. It wasn’t successful in the slightest
Something that funnily enough really ended up biting the Germans in the ass when they eventually attempted to imitate the success of the British Mosquitoes with the Ta-154, but it was too little too late
Thanks alot Military Matters
Fun fact, During the 5 days of the invasion of the Netherlands a big chunk of the luftwaffes junkers transport fleet got decimated. And even more during the invasion of crete. This caused the transportplane shortage that doomed the airbridge to stalingrad.
The air bridge was never going to succeed because even without those losses the Germans just did not have the transport capacity.
@@thomasb1889 Well.they DID.... had weather and enemy action not been factors!!!!
Thanks for the video of these interesting unusual aircraft. Does make a change from the same thing mainly on TH-cam.
Excellent and informative!
Also the P61 show some resemblance.
That's what I thought.
Very concise, informative and poignant.
Apparently that rotating rear gunner thing has been copied into the Focke-Wulf FW 189 which came out the next year.
This design had a lot of potential, but they tried to do too much with it. It could have been the Dutch version of the P-38, but adding bombing rolls to it made it too heavy and bulky to be an air superiority fighter.
As far as I know the P-38 came later and probably was inspired by the G-I
@@boszdekler5304 they were actually quite close in development IIRC. The P-38 first flew in 1937. They were made for different roles though. The P-38 was supposed to be purely a wicked fast bomber interceptor, not necessarily a heavy fighter like the G1 or other European designs.
@@sethvanast8323 no, Lockheed won a contract to build the prototype in 1937. Construction began in July of 1938. The design was inspired by contemporaries like the Fokker G-1. That’s taken from the Wikipedia about the Lightning.
@@mikemontgomery2654 Aha, there it is. Thank you, I stand corrected.
Other way around. Lockheed copied the configuration.
I mean, sure, The g1 looked good when compared to aircrafts that already were in service but the morane saulnier 405's first flight pre-dates the g1's unveilment at the paris air show by more than a year and potez would get the 630 flying before the g1 as well, let's not forget that the hawker hurricane's maiden fligh was also a year old by the time of that air show.
@EdNashsMilitaryMatters >>> Was there a difference between the *_"US Army Air Corps"_* and *_"US Army Air Force"?_* {Prior to the establiahment of the USAF after WWII?}
Were the terms interchangeable? Something like how the *_"P-51"_* became the *_"F-51,"_* the *_"Pursuit"_* designation being replaced with *_"Fighter."_*
{Thanks in advance.}
Really enjoying your videos mate.
Such a superb looking plane, like the love-child of a Beaufighter and a P-38.
More like the Northrop P-61 'Black Widow' night-fighter. The P-38 was a much smaller airframe, with inline engines and the Beaufighter was an adaptation of the Beaufort light bomber, ultimately to gain notoriety as the RAF's pioneer night-fighter.
G1 pre dates the 2 by a couple of years, so not likely. The P-38 proves the potential the G1's design had though
Really nice presentation of the G.1, although there's some misleading footage; the plane seen from 3:58 to 5:25 is an RC model, made to look old with a video editing program. The footage of this model has been circling around on the internet/YT for several years now and has often been mistaken for real.
So the G.1 was a pretty cool airplane, but it was not thAt agile!
Lol yes, it fooled me. I try to be more careful with footage selection now (no guarantees though :) )
@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters No worries m8, I just noticed several comments on the flight characteristics in the comment section. Great stuff going on your channel, keep those vids coming! 👍
@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters RC models are basicly scaled down version , it doesnt alter flight characterstics. there is some footage of the aircraft doing loops and they are not unsimular
Also glad to inform that the Fokker D21 restauration is nearing completion sadly covid kept from sertifying the aircraft.
@@marcusfranconium3392 Look forward to the D21 getting into the air :)
@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters Its was quite the little seremony when it roled out of the hanger a few months ago. sorry the below video about the project is in dutch but you can see the aircraft as it stands now.
th-cam.com/video/xOsPU8YUTdk/w-d-xo.html
@4:30...that's got to be a radio controlled model of one?
Correct , it does show how manourverable it was as it was build on scale .
Thank You!
utterly brilliant Fokker designs
Beautiful aircraft!!!
When i saw this one i smiled since it's one of the rare plane companies in my home!
May i suggest looking into the d.23 fighter and how it contributed in the dornier 335 pfeil
What, you have multiple rare aircraft manufacturers in your house!?! Must have a pretty big house then my mate
@@EFFEZE i meant in the sence of my home country
@@stijnVDA1994 I know mate, just pulling your leg
Nice video on a remarkable aircraft. Thanks
thank you for detail video
Looks like it flew beautifully.
They are building a working replica, also worth a watch Fokker D23 or DXXIII , also a twin boomed twin engined fighter, Only tandam engined , single seat , triangle retractable landing gear and with the proposed engines the same as in the Me109 and spitfires ( not able to be deliverd due to export embargos )they would fly 100 km faster than either the Me 109 and spitfire.
th-cam.com/video/ZmP5Y9cPUW8/w-d-xo.html
Not a heavy fighter fan, but this one was done well.
The handling it demonstrated made it look as if it could hold it's own against standard single seaters. And that armament, wow.
Correct. It wasn't as nimble as the German Bf-109 but it could hold its ground against it, thanks to the excellent tailgun position.
Just think of what performance would have been with RR Merlin or any of the larger US radials from WW2.
This could have been a really useful aircraft with a little more development. I wonder if it could Have been fitted with something like the RR Merlin, Daimler Benz or Alison inline V engines?
Please make a video about the IAR 80 fighter from Romania :-)
brilliant fokker and a nice insight into a rare aeroplane
Thanks for the vid sir.👍🏼👍🏼
Pretty obvious where Kelly Johnson got his inspiration for the P-38. I'd never heard of this plane before. I'm sure it was no coincidence that this plane was first shown at the Paris Airshow the same year that Lockheed started designing the P-38.
I have to say also, that the XVII is a very nice looking aircraft but then I love all the latest biplanes of whatever air force. Back in my model building days, that's what I was mostly building.
I'd have to agree. This is 1 damn good looking aircraft.
I just rewatched the fokker D21 video and compared to the contemparary fighters it was just as impresive . as it was faster and more modern than the foreign aircraft shown .
Très bon documentaire 👍
"Too little, too late" Yep, this sounds like the Dutch government. Even now they still stick to this tradition.
Ha!
Yes
The idea was to stay neuteral. But the governement did invest in anti aircraft guns that caused many German losses.
Rather NEGATIVE commentary on Your Personal Life experience, rather than on the Reality of the 1930s Nederland's Aeronautical Scene; Your upside down Icon leads one to think You spend a lotta time trying to stick Your head up your ASS....
based on Your inherent NEGATIVITY, one imagines You often succeed.
And you are from which country may I ask ? Because that "too little too late" thing applies to quite a lot of the 200 something countries this Earth has. Don't let the 97 thumbs up go to your head and make you think you definetely must be one of the great thinkers of the 21st century. And no, I'm not from the Netherlands.
Would make a good R/C model.
That is a Great idea!
how come theres no mentioning of Fw 189 Uhu, that was directly influenced by this dutchman?
There isn't much more than a superficial similarity. The Fw 189 was designed as a slow, lightly armed short-range reconnaissance aircraft which was later given underwing racks for small bombs and up-gunned and pressed into service as a ground-strafer. It had no capability as a fighter.
@@davidjones332 hmm, or is was adopted to serve as recon plane? by 1942 it was obvious that 2 engine fighters are obsolete. But as a support plane it was a very good. the shape of the wing, tails, cabin and rear gun position are almost identical. besides, Uhu was as manuevarble and fast in a dive as many fighters. so i d say, a good adoptation of dutch ideas.
I wonder if Kelly Johnson was aware or inspired by the G1 when he designed the P38 or just a coincidence?
Paris airshow , was high caliber event for aircraft designers. The paris airshow showed the G1 in 1936 and the specifications of the P38 where set in 1937.
P61 Black Widow, that came later looks very similar....
I wonder whether Northrop were taking notes (?) As this Fokker might have influenced the design bureau responsible for the P-61 'Black Widow' night-fighter that came into service with the USAAF in the European theatre towards the end of WW2.
@EdNashsMilitaryMatters >>> Great video...👍
Beautiful plane ahead of it´s time.
Most people don't know the G-1 design was German by Erich Schatzki.After escaping the Nazis to America he designed one of the most powerfull fighters of WW II The Republic P47 Thunderbolt.
lol see my video that is coming out later today.
Tell you what, that Focker sure knew how to build a plane. 😄
Makes me wanna play hearts of iron with the aircraft designer... How have I not found this channel before?
Welcome aboard ;)
Fokker's trimotor, between the wars, was, atonetime, responsible for some sixty percent of all takeoffs and landings in the world. It looked like a Ford Trimotor but was wood and cloth.
And flew faster and farther away carrying more passengers per flight than the Ford.
And actually, the Ford Tri motor was a copy of the Fokker, to the extent that the design was so similar that Junkers sued and won when Ford attempted to export an aircraft to Europe. In 1930, Ford countersued in Prage and despite the possibility of anti-German sentiment, was decisively defeated a second time, with the court finding that Ford had infringed upon Junkers' patent...
@@alfredomarquez9777 Are you saying Fokker paid Junkers for the patent?
In mentioning twin-engine fighters of the era You forgot about PZL.38, in 1936 in construction (first prototype flew in 1937).
I know none of the military exports were fulfilled but what did the export order book look like ?
Beautiful & agile aircraft.
I read somewhere that Finland was interested in this plane. Were they planning a purchase or a production? Does anyone know more details?
they were not diliverd to finland because we were in war suddenly ... we needed them ourselfs..
@@klupeeteable They did purchase some of them? How many? Were they already repainted and ready to ship? Where can I find details and maybe pictures? What about license to manufacture them in Finland ?
@@karoltakisobie6638 no they all were painted for Holland.. The coverment just did not let them go..
Absolutely beautiful design.
Likewise we need a vid about the Potez 630.
Imagine this plane with merlin engines, without the ground attack capabilities... And lots of them...
Allies are ghey
Then you would have a DH Mosquito!
I wonder how this aircraft would have performed with Rolls-Royce Merlin engines with roughly 465 more horsepower at takeoff. It would probably have had the same effect as it did on the P51 Mustang.
Here is the thing it was designed for more powerfull engines , and even the D XXIII was desigend with the merlin engines in mind. pushing it 100km above a spitfire and me 109.
The Fokker T5 bomber was also build with larger more powerfull engines in mind.
The example for the Mosquito and P38 Lightning.
Not really...lets call it parallel development.
A really cool design, but operationally it would have had the same limited level of success as the German ME-110 and Japanese KI-45 "Nick." Both were found to be completely inadequate as dog fighters and suffered heavy losses to Allied fighters. They only found only success in a bomber killer role.
Cracking vid.... Nashtastic.!
It seems like it was such a promising aircraft but shit timing!
Another great video Ed, thank you!
It looks like a de havilland Venom! Cool video👍🍺
more like a fat p-38 lightning
Cool video.
Still Madsen made 20mm and not 23mm canons.
Looks like a smaller version of Northrop's P-61 Black Widow.
what could have happened had production been increased ? things may have gone a bit different
looking on how the Fokker D21 did in finland , It could have been an extremely effective fighter , If finland ordered them and had them during the time they had the Fokker D21s , it could have been a masacre for the russian aircraft .
it was an advanced aircraft and p0robably served as a platform for various companies both Axis and Allies to develop their own....i.e cockpit looks very much like FW189 tail like P38 nose and too forward engines like Mosquito etc
I always liked the G1. Lovely aeroplane
The only comment I have is that my country is not called Holland, but The Netherlands (or more accurately The Kingdom of the Netherlands, but that is typically only used on official documents). Holland is the name of only 2 of the 12 provinces of my country (North and South Holland, with North Holland containing Amsterdam and South Holland containing Rotterdam), so for the people who live in the other 10 provinces (Friesland, Groningen, Drente, Overijssel, Flevoland, Utrecht, Gelderland, Zeeland, Noord-Brabant and Limburg) I want to ask everone to use the proper name: The Netherlands!
Interesting question. Was it used as a model for the Mosquito or US Lightning?
The Germans used it as direct inspiration for the BF110 if I recall correctly
Interesting, but on the Internet there is the story on Wikepedia that this machine was already developed beginning of the thirties in Germany.
twin booms are my favorite airplane configuration
Thanks Ed, really interesting, keep bringing out the content, cheers