Why is Max acting like Kobe wasn’t a great defender? I know Kawhi is an elite defender but Kobe was on the All-Defensive FIRST Team 9 times, just as much as MJ... Kobe really gets no respect.
Kawhi has been the best 2 way player for a few years now. Kobe Bryant was never on that level. He was decent but not great when it comes to defense. Not close to Kawhi . Back to back defense of the year is elite. That's great. LOL
TheBIueSpirit max is not saying Kobe wasn’t a good defensive player he’s saying that up to that point in both of their careers kawhi has proven to be a better teammate under pressure we’re as Kobe would have tooken 45 shots and made 16 no offense to Kobe tho
Kobe is better than Lebron. He wouldve at least made playoffs this year with the team they had. Get off lebron nuts he over rated in the west shows it! Im laker fan..
@@blanktrigger8863 foreal, i grew up a lakers fan and I constantly heard about "Kobes overrated" and "Kobe is trash he just has a good team" and all that nonsense
That's because Kobe had played like 10 years before kawhi and immediately inserted into a take as many shots as you want role....which he does and he has a pretty low percentage. Kobe played for like 20 years -- obviously throughout that time getting tons of opportunities to take last shots, he's going to make a good amount. But people obviously don't remember that enormous amount of last shots he missed. Kobe missed 16 straight game tying or go ahead last shots in a row. SIXTEEN. I didn't even know that was possible
ESPN has one go to move, "Let's rank who's better than who and shit on everyone's legacy's, past and present." Instead of just celebrating the game. This is some of the best playoffs in a long time.
Terrance McLean ratings are always down when there isn’t a great dominant team or player. Jordan era didn’t have much parity, but ratings were quite high then in the 2000’s ratings were down until Lebron arrived. Generally speaking tho the league is doing better than ever it’s just that some people are not really basketball fans and will only watch when they believe history will be made, basketball fans tho watch whatever happens. This year playoffs have been more open then they’ve been in the last 10 years and as a long time NBA fan I think it’s great, fuck the ratings, I enjoyed watching the Pistons and Spurs win way more than I did watching the Heat and Warriors.
@@drunkenmasterii3250 As a Warriors fan I agree. I want as much competition as possible. No one wants a free pass even if it means championships. I want to sit there and know if we win, we beat the best of the best.
I don't care what Max thinks all I know is Kobe Never sat out a single year because of a thigh injury. The only year he sat out was when his achillies ruptured, that's after playing 15 straight years.
He was afraid that Vanesa would take half lmao. They got married in 2001 and the case was going on in 2003. He put himself in a bad situation, by getting accused, but I don’t think he should get credit for creating more pressure for himself. This is like saying Kawhi needs to get accused of sexual assault to have a comparison 🤷🏽♂️ that’s nonsense.
Talk about it!! People forget about that. People forget quick about all that Kobe did. One a championship against the Celtics with a broken finger on his SHOOTING hand and played 70% of that season that way
@@kylegriffin5222 Kobe was 100× better in big moments and had a lot more big moments I been a fan for over 20 years and only Michael has had more pressured big moments than Kobe so yes still a stupid argument. Kawhi is awesome but Kobe faded away over defenders to hit game winners.
Not so Wealthy Gamer i respect your opinion and you’re a kobe fan but it doesn’t mean that mj picks kobe over lebron means kobe is better. Most people compare mj and lebron in the goat conversation. Kobe is being compared to jordan because he copied jordan’s style of play. I’m not even a lebron fan. This debate on kobe and lebron ended years ago.
@Minimal Interest lol kobe was amazing, feels weird to argue against kobe. Having said that shaq' s 3 straight finals mvp awards would argue that that kobe needed shaq.
jman not really. Jordan got 6 fmvps and wouldn’t have even sniffed a ring had it not been for Scottie. Also Kobe averaged 27 ppg in the playoffs with Shaq, we gotta stop acting like shaq did everything. If Kobe needed shaq so bad why did he go three straight finals and get two rings without him?
The funny thing is. If you compare Kobe to Kawhi at their peak, age 27 and 28, Kobe is better. rTS% is the same pts per 75 kobe is 3.3 points higher PER kobe is 1.1 points higher AST% kobe is 1.3% higher Also Kobe didn't have shaq or gasol, this were the years when Kobe had trash teammates and was receiving pretty much all double teams. Kawhi had Lowry/Siakam/PG. This isn't even a close argument. Kobe was as efficient as Kawhi, but could score at a higher rate and create for teammates at a higher rate, in an era that was had more physical basketball than today.
@Careful! i'm a retard Kawhi over Kobe is Ridiculous. Absolutely a Joke. 1 title, 1 Finals MVP What else?? Great defender. Just got a outside jumper a few yrs ago, really good post scorer but hasn't had the Playoffs accomplishments, wins, or Rings on Kobe's level. He's Definitely not more skilled than Kobe. Let's talk about a man who from 1996 to 2002 won his three titles and then 2 more in 2009 and 2010 to win 2 Finals MVPS (5 Total Titles within a 10 year span now let that sink in). Then has one regular Season MVP even though he got robbed when they gave it to the great Steve Nash for what he did with the Suns. 17 time All Star, 9 All NBA Defensive selection & Record, 1997 Slam Dunk champ, 81 point game, 12 All Defensive team, 12 threes, 2 Olympic Gold medals, 60 in Finale. Not Lebron who is 3-6 in Finals, not even Kawhi is on this Level. Stop hating and start Appreciating the Goat & MJ. By the way 5-2 in Finals, MJ of course 6-0!! Sad when people don't know damb Basketball
The bottom line is: who do you want taking the championship game winning shot Kobe or Kawhi? Before this topic became a topic everyone even people who are not fans of Kobe would have said Kobe.
@Careful! i'm a retard don't be fooled by the stat kid. You sound like you've never played basketball before. Just ask LeBron and the whole Olympic squad of 2012 when kobe brought back the gold medal to the US. Like Stephen A said, kawhi has never been exposed to the moments that kobe has been exposed and had to endure.
tony tonyt WHAAAAAATTTT???? Kobe did his part back in ‘09 and in ‘10. He was waiting on LeBron to meet him in the Finals, but LeBron got beat by Dwight the first year and and that super team Celtics the next
Just because kobe copied Jordan doesn't make him better than LeBron or kawhi and he isn't as good as LeBron and so far kawhi has lead his own team to an NBA finals and has 2 finals MVP's at the age of 27 so he's better than Kobe was at the same age because he is the Alpha not the 2nd guy like kobe's first 3 rings playing alongside the 3 time finals MVP Shaq.
@@yunggpacino the championship raptors wouldn't beat the celtics that kobe beat in the finals. He only won because of the Warriors injuries, everyone knows that
Lmao Dude is chilling with his family,coaching his daughters, running his businesses,enjoying life and his game continues to get questioned. I have never seen ANY retired nba player continue to have his game picked apart this much after his career😂. Next thing you know, CJ McCollum goes off the next 4 games and espn will compare him to Kobe.
stacysharena did you even watch the video? nobody said kawhi and kobe were on the same level. he said kawhi is MORE CLUTCH at this point of their careers. which is true
Kawhi wasn't defended as much as Kobe was because all the teams that played against Kobe knew that he was an assassin and an amazing player under pressure. And because of how great Kobe was they guarded him heavily therefore Kobe had the tougher shots and let's not forget how often he MADE those tough shots.
Harley Jons lmfao your literally hating on Kobe for no reason, dude shot 45% when he was getting double teamed at every game, but was still capable of making those shots.
Harley Jons i was able to watch Kobe, that’s why I’m able to actually tell why Kobe is so good. You on the other hand obviously haven’t. You just used he has the most misses as your point, that’s just dumb. If your gonna try and make a top 10 player of all time, look bad, then you really need to do better.
@@jopump9907 max is failing to see the way the game was played back then. let kawhi get his ass kicked in the more physical era and see if he can still score like that. Kobe was no where in his prime when he first started and he stillaveraged superstar numbers without relying on the three and faced those tough odds, while kawhi was older when he first won his finals mvp with the help of duncan, parker, ginobili, and coach pop. Max is stupid
@@jopump9907 Max is not right, you need to take everything else into consideration. Jimmy Fredette is averaging 30 some points in China, is he better than Kobe too then?
Hesus...if he had as many clutch moments Kobe has had in his past there would b no debate..after Shaq left every night was a clutch night to try to win every game lol..
Kobe a beast I criticize him but I don’t commit blasphemy like this. This isn’t even blasphemy this is just straight up disrespectful that they comparing a puppy to the total body of work of Kobe bean Bryant
No actually Max has shown statistics to back up his statements as of 97 games kawhi has the better clutch numbers and there's nothing you can do about it besides get emotional.
King Robinson yeah man they disrespect Df out of Kobe, it’s so sad. Man is a top 5 player of all time imo the GOAT and they talking about someone who is having his first time in a NBA playoffs carrying the load as being better.
Joe Stuehmer so what he stole all his moves, everyone in the nba steals moves. And I said imo he’s the goat. You have to learn how to shoot by watching someone else shoot , you have to watch someone else layup the ball in order to lay the ball up.
I wish one of these analysts would acknowledge that Kobe is the most double teamed perimeter player in basketball history.. Hense the tough and low percentage shot attempts.. Kobe used to wait til the 4th quarter at a certain point he'd just make 3 to 5 straight shots on u consecutively.. Double teamed or not.. They called him "The Closer" Teams do not fear Kawhi like they did Kobe.. Defenses were build to stop that man lol.. Ppl don't understand single coverage would mean 50.. He dropped 30 to 40 on double teams like nothing
Single coverage actually means 81. The raptors coach tried to make a point that they didn't need to double team and the rest is... well history. People also forget he would make several shots in a row, late game, to get his team even within a possession just to fall short. That counts as a failure in crunch time when in reality it was entirely his will to win that even got them in position.
eL BangBang dude said when both kobe and kawhi are under pressure and playing good kawhi has a better chance of getting a win than kobe. How is that possible when kobe is 5 for 7 in the finals? For one that means kobes win to lose ratio is very high on the winning end playoff wise and in the finals hes his am ratio is high as fuck winning wise again.
I thought I was the only person in the world who remembered that. Don't forget Kawhi was lost on defense which led to the tying 3. Pop put the loss on Kawhi
ESPN hate on KOB’s legacy...but forget that a few summers Khawi worked out with Kobe and got significantly better. Khawi is dope by all means, but Kobe is legendary!!!
Kobe Bryant gets no credit for how good Kawhi Leonard is. When Kawhi won MVP , and the Player that lead The Spurs to the Win Kobe Bryant had nothing to do with that. 2 consecutive defensive titles. Get the F out of here. Kawhi is better than Kobe Bryant., and Tim Dunkin and Ginobli were his mentors. Don't try to tie Kawhi greatness to someone you think is better than he is. LOL. It's not going to work.
@@hdbuckets8154 you right, but his worst shot selection is better than these players best shot selection: smush Parker, devin George, kwame brown, Brian cook, sasha vuicic. Kobe hooped with absolute scrubs in the post Shaq era until PG came. He's the number 2 2 guard all time.
This comparison needs to stop, Kobe is Kawhi mentor and elder... He helped him work on his game. Kawhi has great potential to reach Kobe but not at this moment. Kobe is more clutch for God's sake, there's a 17 minute video on TH-cam of Kobe just making game winners 🤦🏾♂️#MambaOut
Kobe Bryant was a outstanding player. I will always love and respect Kobe Bryant for being the man that he is. One thing I love about Kobe Bryant is the fact he didn't care about the Haters in his life the man just love the game deep down in his heart. I'm rocking with Kobe Bryant for ever. Period
Kawhi Leonard needs to play more years before we even judge where he stands. But he is nowhere close to Kobe Bryant overall. Cmon now. We are talking about legendary Kobe Bryant
That’s the exact point max is making though he’s not saying Kawhi is better than Kobe he’s saying at this particular stage in both of there careers kawhi is better
Which is why sport journalist has to choose their words correctly. I'm not hating on Max's point even though I can't stand him.But if that's his argument then it's legit.Kawhi still got some years ahead of him.Let's see if he makes the best of it.
Why the hell is this even a topic... Kobe doesn't even play anymore. This was a random topic brought up and created for nothing. This is disrespectful to Kobe. Comparing Kobe's clutch moments versus Kawhi's it's not even close in terms of pressure. Btw. SAS saying he doesn't have anything to prove about basketball as if he's even good at breaking basketball down is laughable. Don't mistake being entertaining for actually being a good basketball analyst.
Haks Hustle For anyone who’s wondering these are the stats for Kobe and Kawhi in the clutch in the playoffs: Kobe: 107/270= 40% and 23% from 3 Kawhi: 26/57=46% and 48% from 3
Haks Hustle not really he had a long career as an analyst for years b4 he was on tv and has covered it for decades he really doesn’t have shit to prove
@@jonathanmack6285 Stats are cute but never tell the whole story. Context is something that stats can and will never be able to tell. Something these analysts fail to realise. If that's you're argument then everything we debate should be strictly on stats and never on competition, team, era, pressure etc... If that's the case no-one should say KD's chips don't have the same significance as LeBron's, Kobe's or MJ's but that's not the case. Context matters.
Daniel Berhan Vlogs And Kobe airballed the lakers out of a series with Utah. He also intentionally stopped shooting in a game 7 to prove a point despite the fact he knew they would lose as a result.
These clowns are comparing 22 year old Kawhi in the NBA finals missing a free throw for the title to a 18 yr old rookie airballing in the conference playoffs. Different levels of pressure and vast age and experience difference.
@@charlesreed8739 alright 5 rings.. 1 three peat.. 2 where he had only Paul Gasol as memorable mention.. Kawhi's ring barely even count when you have Time Duncan, Ginobli and Parker on your team.. And already a championship team. When Shaq left, he still won 2 championships... Kobe was 27 years old and scored 15,000 points. Kawhi has 8,250 points at 27. Kobe scored 81 points in a single game. With the current rules nowadays, he'd drop 100. Post-Season he has scored 50. Probably equate to 60+ nowadays. Kawhi has the potential, but to compare 1 post season/season body of work to Kobe is just not possible. If I were to also pick 1 Kobe season and Post-Season to this year with Kawhi, I'd pick Kobe. Kobe has also plenty of clutch shots in a season/post-season. I'm talking about last 5 minutes, they're losing and Kobe took over the offense. Everybody knew he was going to shoot and he took them. Kawhi in no way is a better player than a prime Kobe. Only way that Kawhi is better at is defense. That's what he got an MVP for 😂.. because he stopped LeBron from scoring over 28 points.. right now Kawhi is showing greatness.. just a glimpse.. but to say he's better than Kobe in clutch situations? GTFO here.. Max, stay in boxing bro you haven't watched that much basketball yet
That’s why they have said over and over in the video they are discussing Kobe at kawhis point in their career. Not total career accolades.... did you listen to the segment at all?
J real you & number2 are straight dimwits. too most people the epitome of being clutch is buzzer beaters & thats the easiest criterion of it as well. Kobe has had more buzzer beaters & has done better in more ‘need to win’ moments than Kawhi. Kawhi is an amazing player but this argument is blasphemous.
Ihavenoidea also the statement you commented on wasn’t an argument it was an opinion and not a legitimate reason to debunk any argument that is going on. I LIKE KAWHI but I listen to logic and reason. The comment that started this thread is AN OPINION. I like who I like and so be it
@@ihavenoidea2616 - Kawhi's career isn't over. I said I bet he'll change his mind......meaning when Kawhi's career is over. It's too early rt now. What I stated was my opinion you dumb azz
Kobe also had fisher with shaq so theres your three. But does it change that from what kobe did no because he was great at what he do just like K.L. having old schools to perfect his game better even kobe saw glimpse of his game in him thats why he helped trained him the more.
With a 50/50 chance each time, he picked the wrong team to win the finals six tears straight. He's talented? How fast we forget how incompetent he actually is
@@christheclamper6614 WHAT DO YOU MEAN! the only reason kawhi won finals MVP was because he clamped up LeBron and also kawhi averaged 18ppg in that series and duncan was still incredible in the post.
@@BmooJ27 also there are many others who have more rings than jordan but jordan won every single finals he played in therefore he will always be the goat till someone goes 7 for 7 and changes the game in the way mj did, mj was so far ahead of his time it was absolutely insane.
The league today is much softer than during Kobe’s years. It was unthinkable that an injured and limping Kawhi could carry his team in the playoffs 2019 but he did it. But that same injury and limping Kawhi had, would not be able to carry in Kobe’s time. The league is so soft today that even the James Harden’s Rockets couldn’t take advantage of an injured KD Golden State in the playoffs 2019.
I said this yesterday: THIS IS AN ESPN PROPAGANDA!! When they can’t talk about LeBron, they gotta find a way to disrespect Kobe🤦🏾♂️. Btw Kawhi is my favorite player
@@yeayea8448 but what is the use of stats and numbers if a player has no will to win, this guy plaued injuries over injuries, adversities and scrutiny... Basketball was his safe haven and sanctuary... People should be realizing that there's no one next to MJ who had embodied the same work ethic and dedication like the great Mamba did.
Max doesn't know greatness when you see it. Alot of players today including Curry,Durant , Harden even LeBron and others all watched Kobe work like he watched MJ. Kobe was an all-around player: Scorer, Defender Motivator,Teacher... Kobe used to draw up plays on the sidelines. And for the overseas players, Kobe used to speak in other languages to get them to understand. Pau Gasol became a better player... If Leonard came in the NBA at same time with Kobe, Leonard probably wouldn't have any championship. And let's not forget all of the injuries Kobe had in his career playing with the Lakers and he still managed to win 5 championships and more.... Max Know that there is no comparisons between Kobe and Leonard. That's more of an insult to Kobe.
Thank you man you explained it to the stupid retards and kids that think kawhis lucky shot is better than whole kobes carrer i mean its sad to watch that they really forgot the Black Mamba.....
Kobe was a chucker in a good system... With elite talent.. Kawhi sort of had that on the back end of their careers though.. If 27 yr old Kobe existed right now shooting 44% FG or take Kawhi shooting 60% FG and an even better defender... Who would you take...
I don’t even know why max is on basketball analyst!!he disrespects kobe over lebron before..but now Daddy lebron can’t make it to playoff..he’s saying kawhi is better than kobe in under pressure moment? Wow..this guy sound like never watch basketball before!!
He probably looked up Kobe Bryant's playoff record without Pau or Shaq which is 4-8 or his regular season record without them which is 121-124. And maybe just maybe he thought Kobe might not be this basketball god that many have claimed.
@@ifeellikeyeezus8525 Did Kobe make the Finals without Shaq or Pau? I forget. I bet LeBrons record aint 4-8 in the Playoffs or 121-124 in the Regular season...lmao. I love how you compare him to Lebron. You are worse than Skip. We talking bout Kobe...lmao
@@3PTBall he might some day but i watched kobes whole career kawhi might get there some day but homie just started avg 20 a game what 2 or 3 years ago. Yes he won MVP but that was cuz of his defense on LeBron same wit iggy
What did Kawhi do to deserve this? He's playing phenomenal basketball, but because of this unnecessary comparison, everyone's starting to look at his flaws. Both are exceptional players, let's leave it at that.
This is a funny statement considering that over the last 10 years “analytics nerds” have essentially changed sports forever ... but I guess you can just use your gut, it’s as effective...
bojo perez rockets are losing because James harden is a streaky shooter in the playoffs his numbers are not consistent. If he plays the same exact style and hits the shots they do win. They even talked about this before on the show. HARDEN HAS TO HIT THE SHOT
@@muttley894 Max L-erman just did, he said Kawhi was better in clutch situations than Kobe (bullshit) and also said 2010 Gasol was better than Duncan, Ginobili and Parker. Pay attention
VT 24 saying Kawhi is better than Kobe in the clutch is way different than someone saying Ja is better than Kobe or steph or whoever kawhi is a proven superstar
It's not even close How is this an argument In today's game kawhi is probably the closest to Kobe or Jordan But come on bruh Old Kobe use to cook young kawhi Kobe cooks defensive player of the years on a daily.
All these stat 🤓 (Max etc) really just pick & choose what they want to pay attn to based on Kobe bias. Just look at the 2008-2010 WCF stats for K. Bean Bryant. Kawhi ain’t on his level yet.
This is why I watch UNDISPUTED a lot more than First Take! Cain & Kellerman to me are ridiculous & I can’t listen to them! Makes it seem like they say non-sense just to get keep things stirred up smh 🤦🏾♂️
@@poptarts224 How long has Kawhi been in the league? How Many Rings does Kawhi have? Scoring titles? Umm DPOY ? So tell me where is the comparrison again?
Kyzer Batiste lmao I didn’t mention anything you just stated, literally said the “offence play style”. Do you know what that means? Go watch a video on the way Kobe moves, the way he gets his shot off. The similarities are alike in that aspect.
@@poptarts224 How yu figure? Kawhi is more of a relaxed player than Kobe..Kobe × Jordan had very high levels of intensity when they played so once again where is the comparrison..
People forget Kobe beat Big 4 Celtics with only 1 all star. He also had a broken shooting finger, a bad knee and a bone spur in his ankle. That championship I think is better than Lebron's 2016 championship, but in contention with Dirk's championship.
Max trying to dismiss kawhi playing with 3 hall of famers since day one by saying Kobe played with Shaq. Prime example of someone not knowing what the hell theyre talking about
@@eldio2124 He didn't say superstar, he said Tebow was more box office bc of the ratings he was getting, which is true considering NFL gets way more viewers than the NBA on national televised games
@@outsmiter4894 What Kobe did better than MJ: 1) Laughably better handles 2) Better range 3) Better moves 4) Better artistry 5) Better work ethic 6) Better tough-shot maker 7) Better grammar 8) Higher IQ 9) More pain tolerance 10) Won two championships with a soft European big as his best teammate
Max, dude. Kawhi is and most likely will be a more efficient player all said and done. But to attempt to quantify "clutch" is problematic if not numerically impossible. Too many variables exist in the careers of these 2 great players to have this conversation. To Stephen A's point, Kawhi hasn't been in high stakes moments comparable with Mamba. Their approaches, position, external expectations, systems, opposition, and identities are, at this juncture, impossible to equate.
Kobe is my all time favorite player & Kobe always gets underappreciated nowadays after his retirement, to the point where I dont debate ppl about Kobe.
@@nataliec3757 nah the kawhi train was not this big. op has a point. media has deservedly hyped him up this post season and everyone is saying hes the best in the league
Numbers dont mean anything. We all know you can make numbers say anything you want. Look at LBJ he has all the numbers on paper, you would expect he has more than 3 rings just by LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS. Finals appearances, finals in a row, fg%, mvps, postseason go ahead shots. Put his stats next to Kobe and Jordan and reveale the rings for those 2 then ask how many rings LBJ has.. well the NUMBERS would suggest he has at least what the other two have or more than both. But REALITY is he has 3. So I dont give a damn about perception, which is what this world mainly focuses on. I care about reality, what my eyes show me! not this money ball analytics well numbers say. just because it won some championships in baseball that way, now it's the wave of the future and melo cant fit on a team anymore because were going away from how the game is played and switching to money ball and eliminate the midrange ect ect ect
I love it how Kobe dickriders say numbers don’t matter and then bring up NUMBERS like Kobe’s 81 pts 😂 we are comparing players as an INDIVIDUAL not as a TEAM. so this LeBron is 3-6 and Kobe has 5 rings argument is invalid cause it’s a TEAMS accomplishment. Again INDIVIDUAL stats
My eyes showed me a man who shot his team out of a finals. My eyes shows me a man who would shoot the ball no matter if the shot was bad for the chance to give him greatness. My eyes watched as the Lakers had 20 free throws in the 4th quarter alone in game 7 of the finals and only won by 7 versing the Celtics. My eyes watched this man gentleman sweep a team to win his first finals MVP. My eyes showed me a man who was great but overrated because of fans like you who use the "eye test" rather than fact. Fact is Kobe was great but he would dild under pressure and would be saved more often than not in the big moments just like other players but Kobe more so
Kobe's skill level was off the charts. Also, his presence was intimidating and a force by itself. Kobe "Jellybean" Bryant was clutch. Too many times he has come thru.
Why is Max acting like Kobe wasn’t a great defender? I know Kawhi is an elite defender but Kobe was on the All-Defensive FIRST Team 9 times, just as much as MJ... Kobe really gets no respect.
Kawhi has been the best 2 way player for a few years now. Kobe Bryant was never on that level. He was decent but not great when it comes to defense. Not close to Kawhi . Back to back defense of the year is elite. That's great. LOL
TheBIueSpirit max is not saying Kobe wasn’t a good defensive player he’s saying that up to that point in both of their careers kawhi has proven to be a better teammate under pressure we’re as Kobe would have tooken 45 shots and made 16 no offense to Kobe tho
@@quintonluster4886 Kobe was on that level defensively, what the hell are you talking about?
Kawhi is 2 time DPOY.
Also Phil Jackson himself said that Kobe was an overrated defender.
And Max claims to be a "Laker" fan never met a real true Laker fan that ever disrespected Kobe😐
Edmundo Garcia that’s because max is telling you what he sees. His opinion is unbiased
Kobe is over rated and beneath lebron and mj
im alaire fan since 2008 but i still think lebron is better
Kobe is better than Lebron. He wouldve at least made playoffs this year with the team they had. Get off lebron nuts he over rated in the west shows it! Im laker fan..
Kevin Phillips lol only deluded laker fans would think Kobe > LeBron
Kobe just retired for 3 years and people are already acting like he's only an above average player lmao
Just whatever
People have been pointing this out forever tbh. It's not just "now".
@@blanktrigger8863 foreal, i grew up a lakers fan and I constantly heard about "Kobes overrated" and "Kobe is trash he just has a good team" and all that nonsense
@@Calilou52 Right. Though I'm not saying it's 100% true, for anybody to pretend like it's new would be prisoner of the moment.
Yes because we have the greatest of all all time Lebron james which is far far better than kobe
@@Err_Or-dw8wq so you're saying no other player matters, only Lebron? Only Lebron is a legend? Stupid.
When you shot a Basketball you don't yell out Kawhi! You yell out KOBE
That's because Kobe had played like 10 years before kawhi and immediately inserted into a take as many shots as you want role....which he does and he has a pretty low percentage. Kobe played for like 20 years -- obviously throughout that time getting tons of opportunities to take last shots, he's going to make a good amount. But people obviously don't remember that enormous amount of last shots he missed. Kobe missed 16 straight game tying or go ahead last shots in a row. SIXTEEN. I didn't even know that was possible
Curry!!
@Not so Wealthy Gamer that's his fault he did that
jhaz89 lmao lies, Kobe didn’t start for 2 years. So no he didn’t get to take as many shots as he wanted immediately
@@BabyKobeeee well also because he was a role player majority of his career
ESPN has one go to move, "Let's rank who's better than who and shit on everyone's legacy's, past and present." Instead of just celebrating the game. This is some of the best playoffs in a long time.
Playoffs are kinda shitty tbh, a lot of games are blowouts. The first round was trash. But hopefully the conference finals and Finals are better
Josh Galvan hell naw these playoffs have been great so far, how has it been trash almost every matchup has gone to 6 games
@@joshnyjets69 as a lifelong GSW fan, I don't know who is gonna win and it feels incredible. That's all you can ask for, the element of surprise.
Terrance McLean ratings are always down when there isn’t a great dominant team or player. Jordan era didn’t have much parity, but ratings were quite high then in the 2000’s ratings were down until Lebron arrived. Generally speaking tho the league is doing better than ever it’s just that some people are not really basketball fans and will only watch when they believe history will be made, basketball fans tho watch whatever happens.
This year playoffs have been more open then they’ve been in the last 10 years and as a long time NBA fan I think it’s great, fuck the ratings, I enjoyed watching the Pistons and Spurs win way more than I did watching the Heat and Warriors.
@@drunkenmasterii3250 As a Warriors fan I agree. I want as much competition as possible. No one wants a free pass even if it means championships. I want to sit there and know if we win, we beat the best of the best.
Max lost all credibility when he said pau Gasol was better than Tim Duncan 🤦♂️
Lost all credibility when he said Khawi better than Kobe.
I didn’t know Max said oh my lord somebody helps me
Tk Kirkland that’s true too lol
King RJ on yesterday’s episode towards the end. Stephen A went crazy haha I couldn’t believe it
I think he was saying 2009 Pau Gasol better than 2014 Tim Duncan. He's not wrong about that
Let’s not forget Kobe was a 12X defensive team.
yup era so Kobe was a better defensive player than kawhi ?
Kahwi might be the best stretch defender since scott pippen. Bad argument
if ur honestly arguing jobes a better defender than leonard its not even close. lol
Atleast 7 of those were undeserved
But its not about whos the better defender
I don't care what Max thinks all I know is Kobe Never sat out a single year because of a thigh injury. The only year he sat out was when his achillies ruptured, that's after playing 15 straight years.
17 years....not 15
You don't know what kinda pain kwahi was in. That was such a stupid thing to say.
And that's why his last couple of years he wasn't great as he could be.
Lol but I certainly remember him blowing a 3-1 lead to the suns and refusing to shoot in game 7. But “mamba mentality” am I right?
Sweet Sauce Well played my friend
Kobe was fighting a case playing out of his mind the type of pressure most players can't even or want to carry......lets stop the nonsense
Facts!!!! Ayesha Curry said she want Male attention and Steph playing like a rookie
I want to give this a thumbs up but it has 24 so I'll leave it alone.
He was afraid that Vanesa would take half lmao. They got married in 2001 and the case was going on in 2003. He put himself in a bad situation, by getting accused, but I don’t think he should get credit for creating more pressure for himself. This is like saying Kawhi needs to get accused of sexual assault to have a comparison 🤷🏽♂️ that’s nonsense.
Talk about it!! People forget about that. People forget quick about all that Kobe did. One a championship against the Celtics with a broken finger on his SHOOTING hand and played 70% of that season that way
Kobe was playing with injuries and still killing it on an era where defense was a lot more intense.
I don't think Kawhi himself would put himself over Kobe right now. Stupid argument.
Well, he has just as many FMVPs. I can see an argument.
That isn’t the argument you stupid people don’t listen. Under Pressure and in big moments who’s better NOT WHOS BETTER OVERALL!
@@kylegriffin5222 Kobe was 100× better in big moments and had a lot more big moments I been a fan for over 20 years and only Michael has had more pressured big moments than Kobe so yes still a stupid argument. Kawhi is awesome but Kobe faded away over defenders to hit game winners.
@@kylegriffin5222why be disrespectful bruh. I called the argument stupid but calling people stupid WTF that shit can get you hurt in the real world.
Rick James Kawhi is only 27 he’s far from done
Kawhi is my favorite player, but he's no Kobe. That man was an absolute killer.
The numbers disagree
Kawhi is better in the clutch no debate
@@RandomShowerThoughts sarcasm?
@@sloppygorilla3098 what Numbers? Kobe had better numbers at age 27
Jidam Altamirano I’m talking about kobes inefficiency in clutch moments, yet people still say he’s a killer
First LeBron now Kawhi???
Is it just me...
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OR IS KOBE THE MOST DISRESPECTED PLAYER IN HISTORY
They won't let him be great retired. They never let him be great playing either.
Well Lebron is on the level kawhi IS not!
Fox Fairchild
Leonard is a more complete player.
Rich Ə Wrych first lebron? What the fuck are you smoking? Lebron is definitely better than kobe but kawhi’s not.
Not so Wealthy Gamer i respect your opinion and you’re a kobe fan but it doesn’t mean that mj picks kobe over lebron means kobe is better. Most people compare mj and lebron in the goat conversation. Kobe is being compared to jordan because he copied jordan’s style of play. I’m not even a lebron fan. This debate on kobe and lebron ended years ago.
Kobe never gets the recognition he deserves by the media. But if you seen him play you know what the deal. The black mamba 👌🏽
Dam right
Mamba mentality
Its cool to see this. They barely ever mention Kobe when it comes to comparisons. Kawhi is a great comparison to be mentioned with Kobe.
B Mikhalkov yeah cuz all the competition when Kobe played were push overs and scrubs huh 😂 fuck outta here
B Mikhalkov Those Heat teams were nothing special. The Shaq and Kobe Lakers would have destroyed them.
@B Mikhalkov That's how the game works bron never matched up against kobe in the finals
This is very disrespectful to Kobe's legacy.. Kwahi has not been tested like Kobe hands down..
Lol how so? Shaw won the first 3 for kobe
@Minimal Interest lol kobe was amazing, feels weird to argue against kobe. Having said that shaq' s 3 straight finals mvp awards would argue that that kobe needed shaq.
jman not really. Jordan got 6 fmvps and wouldn’t have even sniffed a ring had it not been for Scottie. Also Kobe averaged 27 ppg in the playoffs with Shaq, we gotta stop acting like shaq did everything. If Kobe needed shaq so bad why did he go three straight finals and get two rings without him?
@@thatbastardtony9445 why was he never finals mvp w8th shaq on the team
jman you ain’t even answer my question Brody 😂😂
LMAO Will Cain is moderating the debate with Molly right there!!!!!!!!
I hope you saying that as a compliment
Ronzell McPeters nah molly can be fired now
Ronzell McPeters why do you hope
@@main_event_ki4351 I hope it's a compliment because fuck Molly
it was so relieving lol
So Max compare Kawhi 2019 playoffs vs Kobe entire career?
"Can somebody call the police" please.....
The funny thing is. If you compare Kobe to Kawhi at their peak, age 27 and 28, Kobe is better.
rTS% is the same
pts per 75 kobe is 3.3 points higher
PER kobe is 1.1 points higher
AST% kobe is 1.3% higher
Also Kobe didn't have shaq or gasol, this were the years when Kobe had trash teammates and was receiving pretty much all double teams. Kawhi had Lowry/Siakam/PG.
This isn't even a close argument. Kobe was as efficient as Kawhi, but could score at a higher rate and create for teammates at a higher rate, in an era that was had more physical basketball than today.
Joco and they act as if the final shot is synonymous with clutch...
I'm not even a Kobe guy but Stephen A is 100% correct
That’s what I’ve been thinking since they brought up this topic.. it’s a damn shame, I hated Kobe. Now all of a sudden, I love him.
How
@Careful! i'm a retard Kawhi over Kobe is Ridiculous. Absolutely a Joke. 1 title, 1 Finals MVP What else?? Great defender. Just got a outside jumper a few yrs ago, really good post scorer but hasn't had the Playoffs accomplishments, wins, or Rings on Kobe's level. He's Definitely not more skilled than Kobe. Let's talk about a man who from 1996 to 2002 won his three titles and then 2 more in 2009 and 2010 to win 2 Finals MVPS (5 Total Titles within a 10 year span now let that sink in). Then has one regular Season MVP even though he got robbed when they gave it to the great Steve Nash for what he did with the Suns. 17 time All Star, 9 All NBA Defensive selection & Record, 1997 Slam Dunk champ, 81 point game, 12 All Defensive team, 12 threes, 2 Olympic Gold medals, 60 in Finale. Not Lebron who is 3-6 in Finals, not even Kawhi is on this Level. Stop hating and start Appreciating the Goat & MJ. By the way 5-2 in Finals, MJ of course 6-0!! Sad when people don't know damb Basketball
The bottom line is: who do you want taking the championship game winning shot Kobe or Kawhi?
Before this topic became a topic everyone even people who are not fans of Kobe would have said Kobe.
@Careful! i'm a retard don't be fooled by the stat kid. You sound like you've never played basketball before. Just ask LeBron and the whole Olympic squad of 2012 when kobe brought back the gold medal to the US. Like Stephen A said, kawhi has never been exposed to the moments that kobe has been exposed and had to endure.
According to ESPN, if u have 1 good playoff series ur better than Kobe!!! ESPN should be ashamed!!! They always attacking Kobe's legacy
1 good playoff series ? You're joking right...he's been ballin every playoff series with the Spurs
Wyatt Hunter think he meant to say one successful playoff championship run
There not saying that he is just saying that the claw is having a better career than Kobe was at this point of his his career
@@wyatthunter987 suns mavs rockets
Jah Jah King Get em Jah!...Call him a bitch next time too!
Why df is this a debate. I love Kawhi but espn stays being disrespectful.
I'm 6'2 Seriously! They are constantly disrespecting Kobe smh
@tony tonyt Kobe didn't do enough? lmao how?
@Matthew Cook You dumb Kobe is top 3 or 5 all time and an all time shot maker Kawhi ain't been in no situation close to having to be clutch like Kobe
Max is pointing out stats and numbers. Stephen A is making excuses and nonsense. Max is sadly right.
tony tonyt WHAAAAAATTTT???? Kobe did his part back in ‘09 and in ‘10. He was waiting on LeBron to meet him in the Finals, but LeBron got beat by Dwight the first year and and that super team Celtics the next
Kobe is universally regarded as the closest thing to MJ. That has to count for something right?
Ezaarkash i agree
Kobe being the closet to Michael only equates for their game being the same COSMETICALLY
Just because kobe copied Jordan doesn't make him better than LeBron or kawhi and he isn't as good as LeBron and so far kawhi has lead his own team to an NBA finals and has 2 finals MVP's at the age of 27 so he's better than Kobe was at the same age because he is the Alpha not the 2nd guy like kobe's first 3 rings playing alongside the 3 time finals MVP Shaq.
@@yunggpacino the championship raptors wouldn't beat the celtics that kobe beat in the finals. He only won because of the Warriors injuries, everyone knows that
Well if we're going to do what if's let's go!! ...The Lakers would've never beaten the Celtics if the Celtics kept Kendrick Perkins!
ESPN work interview
ESPN: "Do you hate Kobe?"
Candidate: "Yes"
ESPN: " You are hired"
😂😂😂
😂
Whatever they have Jay and Stephan A just say its Kobe with no data to back them up and we are just meant to bow and go oh well done its Kobe
KOD They do the same thing w Jordan. They expect everyone to blindly dick ride them niggas just bc lol
Pretty much 🤦🏻♂️
Lmao Dude is chilling with his family,coaching his daughters, running his businesses,enjoying life and his game continues to get questioned. I have never seen ANY retired nba player continue to have his game picked apart this much after his career😂. Next thing you know, CJ McCollum goes off the next 4 games and espn will compare him to Kobe.
Kobrick
Literally every great player has their game reflected on after they retire...
Why you gotta do CJ dirty like that?
This should be a Lebron topic but they cant do that to the bitch nigga
gdc615 Is that what you say when you shoot the basketball? Cuz I say Kobe! cuz you know...I make them.
Stephen A sorry you have to answer these unlearned dudes....Kobe and kawhi not in the same galaxy, not only level. 🤔🤔
thats a tough job godamn
stacysharena did you even watch the video? nobody said kawhi and kobe were on the same level. he said kawhi is MORE CLUTCH at this point of their careers. which is true
@@violenttfashion yeah i watched it and do not agree with it!
lol don't put disrespect on Kawhi's name cuz he is raw and has the ability to surpass Kobe one day
Lol,pass who?
Kawhi wasn't defended as much as Kobe was because all the teams that played against Kobe knew that he was an assassin and an amazing player under pressure. And because of how great Kobe was they guarded him heavily therefore Kobe had the tougher shots and let's not forget how often he MADE those tough shots.
Nathan Huizar facts
He missed way more of "those" shots than he made
Harley Jons lmfao your literally hating on Kobe for no reason, dude shot 45% when he was getting double teamed at every game, but was still capable of making those shots.
@@mykellharris1 umm I don't think you know what hate is you clearly weren't around to watch Kobe tho
Harley Jons i was able to watch Kobe, that’s why I’m able to actually tell why Kobe is so good. You on the other hand obviously haven’t. You just used he has the most misses as your point, that’s just dumb. If your gonna try and make a top 10 player of all time, look bad, then you really need to do better.
Stephen: Molly did i say a word?
Molly:NooOoo
Stephen:🙇🏾♂️
Molly funny asf💯💯
Max is pointing out stats and numbers. Stephen A is making excuses and nonsense. Max is sadly right.
jo pump Watching games with your own eyes> Stats and numbers
@@jopump9907 max is failing to see the way the game was played back then. let kawhi get his ass kicked in the more physical era and see if he can still score like that. Kobe was no where in his prime when he first started and he stillaveraged superstar numbers without relying on the three and faced those tough odds, while kawhi was older when he first won his finals mvp with the help of duncan, parker, ginobili, and coach pop. Max is stupid
@@jopump9907 Max is not right, you need to take everything else into consideration. Jimmy Fredette is averaging 30 some points in China, is he better than Kobe too then?
kobe 11 playoff runs on the wild wild west and winning 5 champs is really hard to surpass btw
not talking about career 👂🏾
Not with prime Shaq on your side
West is overrated
Ardin Hajihil lmao, when the second best team were the Jazz
Hesus...if he had as many clutch moments Kobe has had in his past there would b no debate..after Shaq left every night was a clutch night to try to win every game lol..
they quick to forget the 22 year old Kobe against the Spurs, Blazers, Kings, Pacers
QUICK TO FORGET 21-23 years old Kobe in the playoffs was a different beast
Kobe a beast I criticize him but I don’t commit blasphemy like this. This isn’t even blasphemy this is just straight up disrespectful that they comparing a puppy to the total body of work of Kobe bean Bryant
Tim Duncan was more clutch under pressure than Kawhi and to say Kawhi is more clutch than Kobe Bryant?? Max need to get Drug Tested Immediately 🤬
No actually Max has shown statistics to back up his statements as of 97 games kawhi has the better clutch numbers and there's nothing you can do about it besides get emotional.
MAX PULLED UP DATA BACKING HIS ARGUMENT WHat EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE TO SUPPORT ANYTHING YOU SAY SIR???
@Aye herington_
the numbers don't lie
Did Kobe steal Max's wife or girlfriend for this degree of blasphemy?
U might be right. Remember what happened with Kobe in Colorado 2003. Could that have been Max's girl?
The Media has hated KOBE for decades, which is why he only has 1 MVP
The disrespect Kobe gets SMH 😔
King Robinson yeah man they disrespect Df out of Kobe, it’s so sad. Man is a top 5 player of all time imo the GOAT and they talking about someone who is having his first time in a NBA playoffs carrying the load as being better.
Kobe the GOAT? Yet he stole all of Jordan's moves and still managed to average 5 less ppg than Jordan for his career on 5% less shooting lol
traydacreatorbeats wym lol he carried the spurs too fym.. spurs was a super team with kawhi
trey smith nigga I said imo....u sound like max right now.
Joe Stuehmer so what he stole all his moves, everyone in the nba steals moves. And I said imo he’s the goat. You have to learn how to shoot by watching someone else shoot , you have to watch someone else layup the ball in order to lay the ball up.
I wish one of these analysts would acknowledge that Kobe is the most double teamed perimeter player in basketball history.. Hense the tough and low percentage shot attempts.. Kobe used to wait til the 4th quarter at a certain point he'd just make 3 to 5 straight shots on u consecutively.. Double teamed or not.. They called him "The Closer" Teams do not fear Kawhi like they did Kobe.. Defenses were build to stop that man lol.. Ppl don't understand single coverage would mean 50.. He dropped 30 to 40 on double teams like nothing
Single coverage actually means 81. The raptors coach tried to make a point that they didn't need to double team and the rest is... well history.
People also forget he would make several shots in a row, late game, to get his team even within a possession just to fall short. That counts as a failure in crunch time when in reality it was entirely his will to win that even got them in position.
They never will because there's an agenda out there to destroy the legacy of Kobe and that's their only argument for lebron
Typical narratives backed by emotions.
PREACH!! I wish Molly could see this comment and share it with em and let them debate that!.
This comment needs more attention
Lol Kobe earned the “Mamba Mentality” nickname/title for a reason.
the numbers don't lie
Dreadnaught2517 he gave the name to himself
This man doesn't know basketball, Kobe didn't earn that name
Once again, the Kobe disrespect is outrageous 🤦♂️ Stats don’t tell the whole story!!
Owen Reinold why did you bring bron into the conversation, then had the nerve to act like you just won the argument y’all mfs dumb
Krystal Giove If we followed stats, does that mean Russel Westbrook is the GOAT because he averages a triple double? 😂🤔
@Krystal Giove so westbrook is the goat then
eL BangBang dude said when both kobe and kawhi are under pressure and playing good kawhi has a better chance of getting a win than kobe. How is that possible when kobe is 5 for 7 in the finals? For one that means kobes win to lose ratio is very high on the winning end playoff wise and in the finals hes his am ratio is high as fuck winning wise again.
I didn’t respect the nigga till he was gone. Shame on me!
Kawhi missed those 2 free throws when the spurs were up by 3 and Ray Allen hit the 3 right after
BANG!!
Kobe liked the air balls in his sophomore season ;)
He missed one...
Manu missed one too.. Spurs had no clutch in that game.
That statement killed it all. I was with spurs for the win.
I thought I was the only person in the world who remembered that. Don't forget Kawhi was lost on defense which led to the tying 3. Pop put the loss on Kawhi
ESPN hate on KOB’s legacy...but forget that a few summers Khawi worked out with Kobe and got significantly better. Khawi is dope by all means, but Kobe is legendary!!!
Khawi works with Kobe every off season
Kobe Bryant gets no credit for how good Kawhi Leonard is. When Kawhi won MVP , and the Player that lead The Spurs to the Win Kobe Bryant had nothing to do with that. 2 consecutive defensive titles. Get the F out of here. Kawhi is better than Kobe Bryant., and Tim Dunkin and Ginobli were his mentors. Don't try to tie Kawhi greatness to someone you think is better than he is. LOL. It's not going to work.
#preach
That's like saying LeBron went to work out with Lonzo Ball so Lonzo is better.
Jayson Tatum went and worked with Kobe it did wonders, not saying Kobe isn’t a great player but I wouldn’t attribute Kawhi’s success to Kobe
Max brought his Lawyer 😂🤣😂🤣😂☠
Kobe took 2005 Lakers to the playoffs... let that sink in
The year without Shaq but with Gasol
lmao, is that a joke??
@@nicholassylve1428 what?
@@martincenevi wasn't 2005 the year Kobe got Paul Gasol and didn't have Shaq anymore??
Bron took the 2007 Cavs to the NBA FINALS, go and have a look at that roster then let it SINK IN!
Kawahi Leonard is great but Kobe is top 5 all time player. Stop trying to ruin Kobe's legacy!
Dwayne Cali MJ, Lebron, Magic, Kareem, Bill Russell
No way Kobe is a top 5 player, top 10 at least. Worst shot selection of any player.
@@hdbuckets8154 you right, but his worst shot selection is better than these players best shot selection: smush Parker, devin George, kwame brown, Brian cook, sasha vuicic. Kobe hooped with absolute scrubs in the post Shaq era until PG came. He's the number 2 2 guard all time.
@@lachlanbeggs6386 I don't have Russell or LeBron over Kobe. I'll give you the other guys.
Dwayne Cali to be fair, it’s about era’s. I’m 18 so I’ve grown up watching prime lebron really. Options differ so respect man
This comparison needs to stop, Kobe is Kawhi mentor and elder... He helped him work on his game. Kawhi has great potential to reach Kobe but not at this moment.
Kobe is more clutch for God's sake, there's a 17 minute video on TH-cam of Kobe just making game winners 🤦🏾♂️#MambaOut
Raptors Nation kawaii doesn’t need game winners because he smacks you up before it even gets to that point.
Thank you bro much respect
@@bigshotz1240 this comment is underrated
Raptors Nation 💯
Bigshotz 12 so does Kobe the fuck lol. He has 5 rings for a reason he was smacking teams his whole career, why do you think he’s hated so much?
Kobe Bryant was a outstanding player. I will always love and respect Kobe Bryant for being the man that he is. One thing I love about Kobe Bryant is the fact he didn't care about the Haters in his life the man just love the game deep down in his heart. I'm rocking with Kobe Bryant for ever. Period
by the way, 2003 called
Kawhi Leonard needs to play more years before we even judge where he stands. But he is nowhere close to Kobe Bryant overall. Cmon now. We are talking about legendary Kobe Bryant
That’s the exact point max is making though he’s not saying Kawhi is better than Kobe he’s saying at this particular stage in both of there careers kawhi is better
Which is why sport journalist has to choose their words correctly. I'm not hating on Max's point even though I can't stand him.But if that's his argument then it's legit.Kawhi still got some years ahead of him.Let's see if he makes the best of it.
Why the hell is this even a topic... Kobe doesn't even play anymore. This was a random topic brought up and created for nothing. This is disrespectful to Kobe. Comparing Kobe's clutch moments versus Kawhi's it's not even close in terms of pressure.
Btw. SAS saying he doesn't have anything to prove about basketball as if he's even good at breaking basketball down is laughable. Don't mistake being entertaining for actually being a good basketball analyst.
Haks Hustle For anyone who’s wondering these are the stats for Kobe and Kawhi in the clutch in the playoffs:
Kobe: 107/270= 40% and 23% from 3
Kawhi: 26/57=46% and 48% from 3
Exactly, Kawhi would surely agree. Just ESPN trying to fill up air time...
@@jonathanmack6285 Kobe takes more shots those stats are flawed
Haks Hustle not really he had a long career as an analyst for years b4 he was on tv and has covered it for decades he really doesn’t have shit to prove
@@jonathanmack6285 Stats are cute but never tell the whole story. Context is something that stats can and will never be able to tell. Something these analysts fail to realise.
If that's you're argument then everything we debate should be strictly on stats and never on competition, team, era, pressure etc... If that's the case no-one should say KD's chips don't have the same significance as LeBron's, Kobe's or MJ's but that's not the case. Context matters.
Kawhi missed a free throw to secure the finals in 2013
Daniel Berhan Vlogs And Kobe airballed the lakers out of a series with Utah. He also intentionally stopped shooting in a game 7 to prove a point despite the fact he knew they would lose as a result.
You must not be old enough to remember Kobe's airballs in Utah.
rabidklein Kwahi would never do that
THANK YOU
These clowns are comparing 22 year old Kawhi in the NBA finals missing a free throw for the title to a 18 yr old rookie airballing in the conference playoffs. Different levels of pressure and vast age and experience difference.
I NEED THAT SHXT MAX SMOKING 😂😂😂😂
Loll
Kahwi has a loooooonnnnggg way to go to be at the same table as Kobe
You are missing the point
I still can't believe max said that this is Kobe MF Bryant
Skill wise hes close lets be honest. The resume just isnt there
Skydive Scorcher skill wise he’s not even close wtf are you talking about
LANDIS ELLIS
How ?
Smh the disrespect for Kobe continues. ESPN is straight trippin
LESPN (Lebron sports network) have always had a agenda against Kobe. It's almost like they want casual fans to underappreciate Kobe
Kawhi is great...buuuuuut he is no way more of a pressure player than Kobe Bryant period
Don't say period bitches say period
@@TropicaIJay what? 😂
@@iCritz excatly as I said
Not only that Kobe did it yr after yr no breaks
Why does Will Cain always look like he’s about to cry out of frustration during debates?
Kobe Bryant.. The Mamba... No need for another argument
that isn't an argument
lol saying his name didnt disprove maxs point at all.
Game-tying/go-ahead field goals with under 10 seconds left in the postseason:
Kobe Bryant: 5/22 (23%)
@@charlesreed8739 alright 5 rings.. 1 three peat.. 2 where he had only Paul Gasol as memorable mention.. Kawhi's ring barely even count when you have Time Duncan, Ginobli and Parker on your team.. And already a championship team.
When Shaq left, he still won 2 championships... Kobe was 27 years old and scored 15,000 points. Kawhi has 8,250 points at 27.
Kobe scored 81 points in a single game. With the current rules nowadays, he'd drop 100. Post-Season he has scored 50. Probably equate to 60+ nowadays.
Kawhi has the potential, but to compare 1 post season/season body of work to Kobe is just not possible. If I were to also pick 1 Kobe season and Post-Season to this year with Kawhi, I'd pick Kobe.
Kobe has also plenty of clutch shots in a season/post-season. I'm talking about last 5 minutes, they're losing and Kobe took over the offense. Everybody knew he was going to shoot and he took them.
Kawhi in no way is a better player than a prime Kobe. Only way that Kawhi is better at is defense. That's what he got an MVP for 😂.. because he stopped LeBron from scoring over 28 points.. right now Kawhi is showing greatness.. just a glimpse.. but to say he's better than Kobe in clutch situations? GTFO here..
Max, stay in boxing bro you haven't watched that much basketball yet
That’s why they have said over and over in the video they are discussing Kobe at kawhis point in their career. Not total career accolades.... did you listen to the segment at all?
If Kawhi hits his free throws, Lebron has one less title.
iTuber012 but he didn’t, so Kobe > Kawhi IN THE CLUTCH, not in every stat
IF
Yeah fucker "if" there's tons of "ifs"
iTuber012 here we go with LeBron
Low Distortion bro chill
Good job ESPN. To this stupid argument you brought in another stats lover and Kobe hater, Will Cain. I feel sad for Stephen A
Respect to Stephan A. The disrespect towards Kobe is ABSURD. Way to hold your ground and defend him.
Oh how quickly ppl forget about the great Kobe Bryant 😔😔😔😔
Disgusting how he only won one MVP whilst Nash won 2. Smh
pickle ell because the media hate him
pickle ell MVPs don’t determine ur greatness. Wade got no MVPs but he’s a top 3 SG all time
pickle ell Nash deserved both of those over Kobe. There’s more to the game than scoring
Logical oh and he deserved them over Shaq as well? Foh
wtf WHY IS KAWHI ALREADY BEING COMPARED TO KOBE BRYANT? good lord buddy espn is disrespectful
Because of his similar play style but I would say kawhi is on mj and kobe level even mj said it the guy is on another level
@@lastnameallen5236 for a few seasons yea he is at a very high level but we need to see more championships for these comparisons
Because if your a great player they compare you to greats they compared Steph to Jordan when he won his mvp and LeBron when we one his 🤷
No comparison!! Max you’re disappointing!! ESPN hires Kobe haters!
And you know why🤔
Im not a Kobe fan but im definitely picking kobe over that guy kawhi
I bet you'll end up changing your mind.
Kawhi is raw so...
J real you & number2 are straight dimwits. too most people the epitome of being clutch is buzzer beaters & thats the easiest criterion of it as well. Kobe has had more buzzer beaters & has done better in more ‘need to win’ moments than Kawhi. Kawhi is an amazing player but this argument is blasphemous.
Ihavenoidea also the statement you commented on wasn’t an argument it was an opinion and not a legitimate reason to debunk any argument that is going on. I LIKE KAWHI but I listen to logic and reason. The comment that started this thread is AN OPINION. I like who I like and so be it
@@ihavenoidea2616 - Kawhi's career isn't over. I said I bet he'll change his mind......meaning when Kawhi's career is over. It's too early rt now. What I stated was my opinion you dumb azz
Stephen A : Molly Did I Say A Word
Molly: Nope 😂😂😂
I thought that he was asking Molly because max and will was talking over him I did know he was checking her like that. Damn lol
wwitdtstl 😂are u dumb
"Kobe had Shaq." Kawhi had Duncan, Parker, and Ginobli.
Jeremy Aber with those guys age didn’t really matter cuz they had the skill set and the fundamentals to still affect the game.
Right now he dont have nobody his carrying the Raptors
Kobe also had fisher with shaq so theres your three. But does it change that from what kobe did no because he was great at what he do just like K.L. having old schools to perfect his game better even kobe saw glimpse of his game in him thats why he helped trained him the more.
TD a top 5 player but shaq was in his prime when he had kobe, kawhi had the big 3 when they were already old
Very old Duncan, parker and Ginobili*
You know who he is he is Stephen a Smith most valuable talent in ESPN
He bout to re up on new contract making him highest paid on tv
Stephen A is often a big hack. He goes up there and talks about shit that are not true. He needs to study up on his facts.
Hahahahaha
With a 50/50 chance each time, he picked the wrong team to win the finals six tears straight. He's talented? How fast we forget how incompetent he actually is
No one mentions that Kawhi's first couple years he had Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, and Ginobli. His winning percentage is largely due to them.
They was washed
Shaq was on Kobe's team bruh.
@@chiggsytube that's 1 players compared to 3
@@christheclamper6614 WHAT DO YOU MEAN! the only reason kawhi won finals MVP was because he clamped up LeBron and also kawhi averaged 18ppg in that series and duncan was still incredible in the post.
@@TheQuailLord467 so we gonna ignore Kobe at age 22 dropping back to back 40 point games on TD!!!
Anyone else notice how max brought his white dawg for backup the next day 😂
Lol
*dog
Auc 2.0 I said what I said
Will Cain don’t even side with max. He always side with SAS 🤷🏾♂️
Oh my God😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 ! .... Comedy... 2rue
That's nothing,
Max said if the Greek freak develops a perimeter game he'd be better than Jordan ESPN be capping for views
he wont go 6 for 6 my dude sorry to say mj will still be the goat
chosen elite76 nah he’ll be the best if he get a jumpshot. But the thing is if he get 5-6 rings he will be the greatest ever. He’s only 24 now
@@BmooJ27 🧢
chosen elite76 I wish I could thumb this comment up more than once.
@@BmooJ27 also there are many others who have more rings than jordan but jordan won every single finals he played in therefore he will always be the goat till someone goes 7 for 7 and changes the game in the way mj did, mj was so far ahead of his time it was absolutely insane.
This is a futile attempt to destroy my man Kobe's legacy
Numbers dont lie
La Vaina per says boban is the best ever so I guess they do
Game-tying/go-ahead field goals with under 10 seconds left in the postseason:
Kobe Bryant: 5/22 (23%)
KOBE 5 RINGS NO SUPERTEAM! THE END!
The goal is to make Lebron seem greater than he actually is.
The league today is much softer than during Kobe’s years. It was unthinkable that an injured and limping Kawhi could carry his team in the playoffs 2019 but he did it. But that same injury and limping Kawhi had, would not be able to carry in Kobe’s time.
The league is so soft today that even the James Harden’s Rockets couldn’t take advantage of an injured KD Golden State in the playoffs 2019.
The league today is more talented that it ever was
I said this yesterday: THIS IS AN ESPN PROPAGANDA!! When they can’t talk about LeBron, they gotta find a way to disrespect Kobe🤦🏾♂️. Btw Kawhi is my favorite player
Lights Out Ong bro, Kobe gets all the hate 🤷🏾♂️
Did Max just bring up DEFENSE right at the end of the video??
🤔 wonder why he never does when speaking of lebron
Alexa - “Play some Kobe Bryant Highlights for Max Kellerman pls”
👌
Sup D, Max is a fool!!! We all know hes the biggest KOBE hater along with Nick Wrong
GoT nO M's iN mY bAnK aCcOuNt
Do you even know what they're debating
Tf you talking about highlights for they’ve said multiple times what this debate is about
@@Jigga57
Highlights proof Kobe is more clutch
Remember when Kobe dropped 81 on Raptors (and won). Pepperidge Farms remembers.
And his shots over tight defense.. These guys dont know what they were saying... Under pressure... Please... Haha...
@@lauroguerrero1148
the numbers don't lie
@@yeayea8448 but what is the use of stats and numbers if a player has no will to win, this guy plaued injuries over injuries, adversities and scrutiny... Basketball was his safe haven and sanctuary... People should be realizing that there's no one next to MJ who had embodied the same work ethic and dedication like the great Mamba did.
Max doesn't know greatness when you see it.
Alot of players today including Curry,Durant , Harden even LeBron and others all watched Kobe work like he watched MJ.
Kobe was an all-around player: Scorer, Defender
Motivator,Teacher...
Kobe used to draw up plays on the sidelines.
And for the overseas players, Kobe used to speak in other languages to get them to understand.
Pau Gasol became a better player...
If Leonard came in the NBA at same time with Kobe, Leonard probably wouldn't have any championship.
And let's not forget all of the injuries Kobe had in his career playing with the Lakers and he still managed to win 5 championships and more....
Max Know that there is no comparisons between Kobe and Leonard.
That's more of an insult to Kobe.
Thank you man you explained it to the stupid retards and kids that think kawhis lucky shot is better than whole kobes carrer i mean its sad to watch that they really forgot the Black Mamba.....
@@reljalazarev4448 All people seem to care about these days are the numbers and percentages. smh. Kobe's a killer. Kawhi ain't there yet lol
Kawhi wouldn’t even agree with max he from SoCal he seen Kobe greatness. 2nd greatest player I ever seen
Kobe was a chucker in a good system... With elite talent.. Kawhi sort of had that on the back end of their careers though.. If 27 yr old Kobe existed right now shooting 44% FG or take Kawhi shooting 60% FG and an even better defender... Who would you take...
KOD Stop embarrassing yourself idiot
Robert Banks u crazy asf lmao talking bout 2nd greatets hn
Kawhi doesn't have to agree . People have their own opinions any. Kawhi is better than Kobe. That's my opinion. So what.
@@kod5660 Kawhi is clearly a better player than Kobe Bryant. These Kobetards are something else. LOL.
I don’t even know why max is on basketball analyst!!he disrespects kobe over lebron before..but now Daddy lebron can’t make it to playoff..he’s saying kawhi is better than kobe in under pressure moment?
Wow..this guy sound like never watch basketball before!!
He probably looked up Kobe Bryant's playoff record without Pau or Shaq which is 4-8 or his regular season record without them which is 121-124. And maybe just maybe he thought Kobe might not be this basketball god that many have claimed.
Look up Lebrons finals record without 2 all stars on his team. I’ll wait.
@@ifeellikeyeezus8525 Did Kobe make the Finals without Shaq or Pau? I forget. I bet LeBrons record aint 4-8 in the Playoffs or 121-124 in the Regular season...lmao.
I love how you compare him to Lebron. You are worse than Skip. We talking bout Kobe...lmao
Lebron made the finals with no star players 2007-2008 season but Bron and Kobe two great players why all the fuss
chocolate shawty Lebron isn’t in the finals this season, his first season in the west. 😂🤫
Rest in Peace Kobe. Greatest clutch shooter of this generation
Kawhi don't get to sit at the table with Kobe.
He will that dude is physically a great
Exactly not yet
@@3PTBall he might some day but i watched kobes whole career kawhi might get there some day but homie just started avg 20 a game what 2 or 3 years ago. Yes he won MVP but that was cuz of his defense on LeBron same wit iggy
@@VersusAffiliation No on in here is understanding the argument
Not yet
What did Kawhi do to deserve this? He's playing phenomenal basketball, but because of this unnecessary comparison, everyone's starting to look at his flaws. Both are exceptional players, let's leave it at that.
honestly
nah, more like what did Kobe do to deserve this. The man's been retired years ago, yet still gets slander by guys like Max every month...
Yoooo factz i had to watch dis nigga highlights n still dont compare to kobe first 4 yrs this is pass disrespectful
Kawhi is barely in the second round. Max is acting like he just carried Toronto to a championship 🤦🏾♂️
Bboy Krack No he’s always had faults one of the biggest is he’s a quitter ask the spurs
I'm sorry but not...
If Kobe and Leonard were the choices in a playoff game for who I'm giving the ball to...it's no doubt Kobe...GTFOH Max and KKKain
Champs ViZion Kobe is 30% in the clutch that’s horirble 😂
clutchness be hella overrated lol.
How the hell did Will Cain get a nickname like that??
@@devinharris591 no it isnt smh thats 7% above league average
Hell no Id give it to Kawhi every time, Kawhi is miles better than Kobe in every facet of the game.
He said +\- lol . Only people who cant play sports bring up numbers that arent stats
Max is the physical embodiment of the Internet analytic nerd that thinks they know everything
This is a funny statement considering that over the last 10 years “analytics nerds” have essentially changed sports forever ... but I guess you can just use your gut, it’s as effective...
@@dillajoints433 exactly right
bojo perez have you even heard of moneyball clown
bojo perez rockets are losing because James harden is a streaky shooter in the playoffs his numbers are not consistent. If he plays the same exact style and hits the shots they do win. They even talked about this before on the show. HARDEN HAS TO HIT THE SHOT
bojo perez and if you look at what Kawhi is doing that’s PROOF! 59% shooting? In the playoffs?!? Stop
Max said last year that the Raptors would sweep the Cleveland Cavaliers because they won 60 games. He's a prisoner-of-the-moment type of commentator.
Kobe > Kawhi, *NO CONTEST*
Max L-erman will call Ja Morant better than Kobe in 4 months
VT 24 nobody said Kawhi was better than Kobe
@@muttley894 Max L-erman just did, he said Kawhi was better in clutch situations than Kobe (bullshit) and also said 2010 Gasol was better than Duncan, Ginobili and Parker. Pay attention
@Tim Tom Max is
VT 24 no he said 2010 Paul was better than 2015 Tim
VT 24 saying Kawhi is better than Kobe in the clutch is way different than someone saying Ja is better than Kobe or steph or whoever kawhi is a proven superstar
The disrespect for Kobe is Real!!! Kobe is the best player after Jordan PERIOD!!!
You are a f idiot and you have 0 stats to back up this dickryding statement.
Nah, lebron is
@@juice4528 I'm one of Lebron's biggest fans, but he's not even the best player in the NBA.
Lol everyone is dumb. Nobody even gets Max's argument.
T3rminata T exactly
It's not even close
How is this an argument
In today's game kawhi is probably the closest to Kobe or Jordan
But come on bruh
Old Kobe use to cook young kawhi
Kobe cooks defensive player of the years on a daily.
Motherfuckers forgot Kobe is a Spurs killer.
Lmaoo 2011-2012 Kobe vs a rookie kawhi what a fair matchup stop it
Kobe Bryant's playoff record without Pau or Shaq is 4-8 and his regular season record without them is 121-124.
@@platinum_knowledge now those are some stats
@@platinum_knowledge Don't get me started on who his teammates were without Shaq and Pau, and let's not forget he was in the West.
All these stat 🤓 (Max etc) really just pick & choose what they want to pay attn to based on Kobe bias. Just look at the 2008-2010 WCF stats for K. Bean Bryant. Kawhi ain’t on his level yet.
Dante Whittaker Jr. 💯 speaking of LeBron, he needs a closer LOL
That B-Roll at 2:04, throwback Kobe wearing #8 is my childhood.
This is why I watch UNDISPUTED a lot more than First Take! Cain & Kellerman to me are ridiculous & I can’t listen to them! Makes it seem like they say non-sense just to get keep things stirred up smh 🤦🏾♂️
People tend to forget that Kobe had the NBA in his hands from 2000-2010, how they discredit Kobe is unfair because they look at stats 🤦♂️
eL BangBang so how comes he only got 1 MVP during those 10 years then 🤔🤔
@@VictorVonDoom. hahaha tell em!
@@VictorVonDoom. how much kawhi got??
You do know the debate is about clutch situations right?
Never 😂 . More like 07-10
Kawhi is noway in comparrison to Kobe...And Kawhi is my guy
Kyzer Batiste a valid comparison would be there scoring styles. Kobe’s style is really MJs but there’s a lot of similarities between the three.
@@poptarts224 How long has Kawhi been in the league? How Many Rings does Kawhi have? Scoring titles? Umm DPOY ? So tell me where is the comparrison again?
Kyzer Batiste lmao I didn’t mention anything you just stated, literally said the “offence play style”. Do you know what that means? Go watch a video on the way Kobe moves, the way he gets his shot off. The similarities are alike in that aspect.
@@poptarts224 How yu figure? Kawhi is more of a relaxed player than Kobe..Kobe × Jordan had very high levels of intensity when they played so once again where is the comparrison..
@@poptarts224 Yu go look at the tapes 😂😂..I seen it for myself potna
stephen a shoulda said
" We're talking about a completed turned in excellent paper vs. a paper yet to be finished written .
Yvng Slxme that’s the sentence I was looking for!
That's why max was trying to compare that incomplete paper to Kobe's incomplete paper but everyone is bone headed
My friend you just ended the argument
The you missed Max whole point he wasn't talking about the whole paper he was talking about the last couple of paragraphs
Stephen A. Is right. Will and Max need to start watching old film cuz they clearly started watching basketball 3 years ago
People forget Kobe beat Big 4 Celtics with only 1 all star. He also had a broken shooting finger, a bad knee and a bone spur in his ankle. That championship I think is better than Lebron's 2016 championship, but in contention with Dirk's championship.
Aaron Virdee just stop
Aaron Virdee Idk what you’re smoking but I need me some of that
Aaron Virdee
Better than Lebron beating the Warriors? Get the fuck outta here man 😂
😂😂😂 LeBron came back from a 3 - 1 lead in the finals against the greatest team ever
DT4L DonnieGang that wasn’t the greatest team ever go learn basketball🤣🤣🤣
Molly: begins to talk....
The Big Lebowski: Molly, you’re out of your element!
Max trying to dismiss kawhi playing with 3 hall of famers since day one by saying Kobe played with Shaq. Prime example of someone not knowing what the hell theyre talking about
Tbh Tim manu and tony were not stars at that time
Eric Samuel-Hunter manu prolly wasn’t but tony was dude
@@gjackson9754 pretty sure tony was still in his prime when kawhi was a rookie
@@ericlee7218 was Tim Duncan already retired?
Yeah but those hall of famers was past their prime doh
Kobe the most underrated top superstar ever in history of the NBA. Thank me and BSPN for that.
Willing to bet SAS misses skip soooo much 😂
Skip was worse, he once said that Tim tebow is a bigger draw and superstar than Kobe Bryant and lebron James
@@Supermariohoops24 Facts
@@eldio2124 He didn't say superstar, he said Tebow was more box office bc of the ratings he was getting, which is true considering NFL gets way more viewers than the NBA on national televised games
@@eldio2124 What's wrong with it, football is way more popular in USA than basketball.
Kobe Bryant is the best player in the history of the NBA skill and ability wise. Not achievement wise.
He was boring to watch
MJ was the most skilled at SG. Kobe was great because he copied the GOAT. Nuff said.
Most skilled ever:
1. Kobe
2. Maravich
3. Steph
4. Kyrie
5. Jordan
6. Nash
7. Isiah
Kobe's lawyer played harder in court on that rape case he had!! Kobe's a wanna be Mike!! 👎👎
@@outsmiter4894 What Kobe did better than MJ: 1) Laughably better handles 2) Better range 3) Better moves 4) Better artistry 5) Better work ethic 6) Better tough-shot maker 7) Better grammar 8) Higher IQ 9) More pain tolerance 10) Won two championships with a soft European big as his best teammate
Max, dude. Kawhi is and most likely will be a more efficient player all said and done. But to attempt to quantify "clutch" is problematic if not numerically impossible. Too many variables exist in the careers of these 2 great players to have this conversation. To Stephen A's point, Kawhi hasn't been in high stakes moments comparable with Mamba. Their approaches, position, external expectations, systems, opposition, and identities are, at this juncture, impossible to equate.
Joseph Skinner couldn’t agree with this more.
Kobe is my all time favorite player & Kobe always gets underappreciated nowadays after his retirement, to the point where I dont debate ppl about Kobe.
Let's not forget kobe beat 25 teams WITH 50+ WIN TEAMS as the "worst brick shot taker of all time" IN THE PLAYOFGS
Nobody was on kawhi train until he started going crazy this post season , saying he’s better than lebron , Kobe and KD 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Ppl were calling him the 2nd best player behind lebron 2 years ago you idiot
@@nataliec3757 nah the kawhi train was not this big. op has a point. media has deservedly hyped him up this post season and everyone is saying hes the best in the league
No it was KD
Numbers dont mean anything. We all know you can make numbers say anything you want. Look at LBJ he has all the numbers on paper, you would expect he has more than 3 rings just by LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS. Finals appearances, finals in a row, fg%, mvps, postseason go ahead shots. Put his stats next to Kobe and Jordan and reveale the rings for those 2 then ask how many rings LBJ has..
well the NUMBERS would suggest he has at least what the other two have or more than both. But REALITY is he has 3. So I dont give a damn about perception, which is what this world mainly focuses on. I care about reality, what my eyes show me! not this money ball analytics well numbers say. just because it won some championships in baseball that way, now it's the wave of the future and melo cant fit on a team anymore because were going away from how the game is played and switching to money ball and eliminate the midrange ect ect ect
Lol you say numbers don't mean anything but then go on to talk about number of rings...Haha pretty ironic.
Comp matters lol, teams matter too.
number don'ts mean anything is a moronic statement. of course numbers mean "something". what you see can be shown through the numbers
I love it how Kobe dickriders say numbers don’t matter and then bring up NUMBERS like Kobe’s 81 pts 😂 we are comparing players as an INDIVIDUAL not as a TEAM. so this LeBron is 3-6 and Kobe has 5 rings argument is invalid cause it’s a TEAMS accomplishment. Again INDIVIDUAL stats
My eyes showed me a man who shot his team out of a finals. My eyes shows me a man who would shoot the ball no matter if the shot was bad for the chance to give him greatness. My eyes watched as the Lakers had 20 free throws in the 4th quarter alone in game 7 of the finals and only won by 7 versing the Celtics. My eyes watched this man gentleman sweep a team to win his first finals MVP. My eyes showed me a man who was great but overrated because of fans like you who use the "eye test" rather than fact. Fact is Kobe was great but he would dild under pressure and would be saved more often than not in the big moments just like other players but Kobe more so
Kobe's skill level was off the charts.
Also, his presence was intimidating and a force by itself.
Kobe "Jellybean" Bryant was clutch.
Too many times he has come thru.