Honestly you'd think they'd come up with a dewormer with a taste horses like! Rudnik is like "you aint fooling me with that itty bitty bit of carrot" love him!❤
@ LOL, you never met one of my cats ! His name was Pecos and he would fight you to death if you tried to get him a medicine. Blankets, thick towels etc were no match for him when suddenly he would turn into an octopus with more deadly paws than you could ever handle on your own. My other 3 cats were not quite as bad but with Pecos you needed a suit of armor .
heh heh heh Oh, how I know this well!!! Our Miniature was exactly the same way, so what we did throughout the year, was load used wormer syringes with things he loved (Applesauce being the best), and he got used to seeing it, and liking it. Then we'd do him 'Dirty' and dose him with the REAL wormer (And the *LOOKS* he'd give us? lol). Still, we always followed-up with treats, he'd forgive us, and life would go on. Till the next time. Rudnik is such a cutey, and I've been enjoying your videos, showing both his and your own experiences! Watching the both of you work together, building a strong relationship (And kudos to your partner, a 'Non-horseperson' for falling under Rudnik's influence!) :-)
Thank you! And I love the apple sauce idea. I’ve saved the syringe and I’m going to use it to do some training with him so he’s - hopefully - easier come spring.
Sweet Rudnik, trying to respectfully decline his meds. “Um… I’m not falling for the carrot trick.” He’s such a beauty 😍 you’re looking beautiful too, pregnancy agrees with you. I love how you soothed him at the end. Such a great mom.
Carrie! I’m fairly new to your channel, I’m in Ontario… May I suggest you test Rudniks poop at the vet for parasites, anyone can take a fresh sample and drop it at the vet they will tell you the load and which dewormer to use to be effective if he has worms. I do that and don’t deworm. Honestly it’s a best way best no fuss. If you find he has a heavy load of worms then deworm. I find best to keep his space clean and don’t spread the poop in his space just make a compost pile instead. Heats everything and kills whatever in the poop bonus in a year you have amazing compost (only thing no horse can be on any meds to use it on human plants). To me testing poop and not giving meds that stripe the guts makes more sense. The gut takes care of the whole body but we’re condition to automatically deworm twice a year regardless. We know the outcome of humans been given antibiotic now there are super bugs resistant to all bugs well animal parasites and dewormers are going the same way.
Oh boy, I remember trying to help you deworm him once and his violent head tosses lol! I think I went and put my helmet on haha. As others have suggested, save your used dewormer tube and give him yummy things in it occasionally. To start, I've had success with coating the tube in honey or molasses and letting them lick it off. Also, try approach and retreat, where you touch the tube to his cheek and remove it, over and over, until he doesn't associate the sight of it with something bad. You can touch it to his cheek and then give him a treat too. I'd also continue regularly practicing what you're doing here, putting your thumb in his mouth. Transition from that to putting the tube in momentarily (preferably with some honey on it!). Break it down into many small steps and you will have him saying "ah" for his dewormer next spring! :) Titan says his to his former roomie! We dewormed a couple days ago and he put up a BRIEF fuss with a high head, but gave up much more quickly than Rudnik did haha!
Thank you!! Definitely trying that next time and I’ll be doing more practice with the syringe. I might try and puree some carrots to put in the syringe then put molasses on the end - I feel like he’ll accept it but the second I switcharoo on him he’ll never trust me again 😂😂
Just like a little boy who doesn’t want to eat his vegetables lol. If that’s the only resistance he offers to you then I would say he’s an awfully good boy 🥰.
I agree. It could be so much worse - he has very ‘calm’ freak outs at least which I’m grateful for now that I don’t have quite the energy I did before 🥲
My horse was an angel about it (he was 15 when I adopted him, so pretty much sanguine about everything), so I really wasn't prepared for the amount of drama from a 19 hand, 2500 lb. American Belgian! Rudnik's antics were nothing compared to the amount of head-tossing, backing up, and trying to rear up. You would have thought that we were trying to kill him. It actually took three of us to get the medicine in him.
Yikes! And that’s a big horse to deal with too - I was surprised Rudniks freak out was as ‘calm’ as it was. It really could have gone so much worse but he was very polite in his ‘freak out’ so I was proud of him for that. Even if I did end up with more wormer on my hands than he did in his stomach 🥲
Indeed! After all these years has no one come up with a worming dose that tastes good to them? I used to find this such a hassle, too. You had your hands full with the boy here 😂😂
How to dose a horse START. Catch horse. 1. Realize you left the medicine in the truck. Return to parking lot to get it. 2. Return to pasture to find horse is now on opposite end. How do they KNOW? 3. Catch horse again. 4. Fumble with the cap. 5. RE-catch horse and apply halter and lead rope attached to something larger than the horse. 6. Put finger in horse's mouth. 7. Bandage finger. 8. Place finger in horse's mouth more carefully. 9. Insert syringe or pill. 10. pick up syringe or pill from the ground. 11. Repeat Steps 8 and 9 several times. 12. Open fresh package. Repeat steps 8 and 9. 13 Call dry-cleaner and ask if Ivermectin stains come out of clothing. 14. Mix two parts gin to one part vermouth. Chill and drink. 15. Consider adopting a Burmese tiger. Rumor has it they are much easier to medicate.
💥 All that fuss! I actually thought you were trying to get the syringe into his nostril until you put the carrot on it. This vid is like me trying to get my dog to take his flea med! Dang! You guys look great - glad to see B with you, learning how to help with Rudnik, or is that Big Brother? Take care of yourself, don't forget to put your feet up once in a while and more next month!💝💥
@@rudniktheroan Well keep on him! I'm sure B appreciated the fact that you got that done now instead of having to talk him thru this procedure! This will be a trade off task with dirty diapers come spring time! Have a nice weekend!
Saw in the comments someone say it was worse than giving a cat a pill. Not so sure about that. The vet gave me a big gel capsule to worm my big old male cat. I held him in my arms and tried to get it in the back of his throat the way I did the dogs. We literally rolled around on the ground in the back yard. I’d think I had it down and he’d hock it back out. It was trying to dissolve and he had green froth coming out of his mouth but still would not swallow. I finally said you win this round. I took him back to the vet and said you do it. By contrast my Great Dane was a breeze, open his mouth, hit back of throat, pill gone. But I wouldn’t shove my hand in a horses mouth with a pill.😂 There are somethings no matter how good and how cooperative your animal is that they just want no part of no matter how gentle you are. But why should we expect them to be different from humans because we have things that no matter how good it is for us we balk at it too.
😂😂 animals really do keep us on our toes. But you gotta love them. I’ve found my dogs have always been easier to get pills down than my cats. It’s like cats can just shoot it right back up out of their stomach while dogs don’t care especially if it’s wrapped in cheese or meat they’re just happy for a treat 😂 cats make it personal
Even veterinarians have issues! I worked for one who would much rather work with horses than cats. I asked why and he told me about attempting to pill a cat. The cat was having none of it and literally bit through the vet’s thumbnail. Having endured pretty much everything a horse could do to him, that bite hurt so much worse. 😼
Maybe what you should do is give him things with the syringe that he would like...apple sauce or carrot puree or something. So instead of only shoving a syringe in his mouth twice a year and it's always something nasty, it's something more regular and only twice a year there'd be one that's "nasty." If the good stuff is a more often than not occurrence, he should not shun the syringe ALL the time. Maybe.
I’m definitely going to try this before the next worming comes around in the spring. Normally he’s not nearly so dramatic but he must have been putting on a ‘tough guy’ show for the girls 😂
@@rudniktheroan Or because "Dad" was there and he thought B was going to save him from the dreaded nasty goo. Or both. Show for the ladies, hoping B would save him.
Yay Rudnik time ❤. Omg I have one horse out of three that is hell to give dewormer to. My other two no issues. But I raised them from weanlings. So I was always playing with their mouth. My senior horse was a project horse. So he always had issues getting dewormed. 🙄. I Use liquid ivermectin so I just put the dewormer in his pellets. He gobbles it up 😂😂😂
See that’s what I need to try! I was wondering while doing this if they have a liquid I could just throw into his grain - make my life so much easier. But I do also need to just get him used to taking things orally -and I feel like he’s too smart he’d smell it right away and just dump the whole bucket of grain 😂🥲
How about you dip the whole syringe into thick applesauce. A friend of mine does this and it works most of the time...........Or you make one syringe full of carrot juice first, and then a second one with carrot juice.......and then the third one covered in applesauce and filled with the medication......B should hold Rudnik.......Make it like a game, a lot of cuddles and then the first syringe..and so on...............Good luck and give Rudnik extra kisses from me.........Christian, from North Central Florida..........😘😘😍
LOL Rudnik, come on now! I imagine the taste is seriously BAD for him to be so resistant to it, poor boy! I have a few Horrsey friends who have the same issue; one made her own jam and apple butter just so she could hide the wormer or other nasty tasting meds in a pile of the jam or the apple butter, or in apple sauce [also home made so little to now sugar or salt etc added] She used a large melamine bowl, and doled the paste out in several treat-sized servings, which also meant less nasty flavor for her horses. Another used to hollow out a hole in carrots or apples and gave her horse the treats over the course of their daily work/training. Rudnik is so funny, tho I know handling his quiet tantrums is challenging, he is still gentle and not losing his temper for real at least!
I love that idea! I’ve saved the syringe to use for training and I really like the apple sauce idea! I’m wondering if I could puree carrots and use that too - I feel like he’d gradually become more accepting of it. Then the first time I swap it for wormer he’ll never trust me again 😂
Maybe 4 hands? I usually hold Luca steady my hubby gets paste in his mouth then he holds the horse's head up while putting his other hand over his nostrils, Luca gives a quick swallow and we're done. Now giving him shots is a whole 'nother scenario 😤
It would probably be a lot easier with extra hands. But because My fiancé is still learning he wouldn’t know exactly what to do which may just cause more confusion and chaos. But next time I may have to ask one of the other girls at the barn for a hand 🥲 funny enough Rudnik is so easy to give shots too. Maybe a flinch but that’s it.
Sadly, I've never owned a horse, so I don't know if this is possible or not. If you can hold your finger in his cheek, why can't you just squirt the paste into his cheek so he has no other option than to swallow it ?
Well to start, it’s not a shot and it’s definitely not bad for him - it prevents parasite infestation in their intestines which can lead to colic and death - he just doesn’t care though unless it’s carrots or taste like carrots 😂
Aww poor Rudnik 🥹 sorry bubba I know you hate it but it’s necessary he’s like “ok but no this is utter torture that I didn’t sign up for”!!😂😂 I have absolutely no doubt you know what you’re doing & this is Rudnik being Rudnik but have you tried R+ (clicker training)with this?? I’ve seen other horse guardians use it (Shawna Karrasch has really good resources)again I am totally not an expert I’m just curious. Also did he get even a tiny bit down??🤣🤣🖤💙
I’ve really wanted to start getting into clicker training. Unfortunately most of our training has been put on hold until after baby is here aside from the usual stuff we’ve done and know - but it’s on my list for next year for sure!
@@rudniktheroan That’s what I figured,it’ll definitely be so fun to see how Rudnik responds to it. I use it a lot with my only boy pup he’s nervous with certain things & a people but he one hundred percent knows what the sound of the clicker means & he gets so excited,🤗😄
Honestly you'd think they'd come up with a dewormer with a taste horses like! Rudnik is like "you aint fooling me with that itty bitty bit of carrot" love him!❤
I never thought I would see anything more difficult than giving medication to a cat but you do prove me wrong !
At least with a cat you can wrap them in a blanket - a little harder to do with a horse 😂🥲
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LOL, you never met one of my cats !
His name was Pecos and he would fight you to death if you tried to get him a medicine.
Blankets, thick towels etc were no match for him when suddenly he would turn into an octopus with more deadly paws than you could ever handle on your own.
My other 3 cats were not quite as bad but with Pecos you needed a suit of armor .
heh heh heh
Oh, how I know this well!!!
Our Miniature was exactly the same way, so what we did throughout the year, was load used wormer syringes with things he loved (Applesauce being the best), and he got used to seeing it, and liking it.
Then we'd do him 'Dirty' and dose him with the REAL wormer (And the *LOOKS* he'd give us? lol). Still, we always followed-up with treats, he'd forgive us, and life would go on.
Till the next time.
Rudnik is such a cutey, and I've been enjoying your videos, showing both his and your own experiences! Watching the both of you work together, building a strong relationship (And kudos to your partner, a 'Non-horseperson' for falling under Rudnik's influence!)
:-)
Thank you! And I love the apple sauce idea. I’ve saved the syringe and I’m going to use it to do some training with him so he’s - hopefully - easier come spring.
Sweet Rudnik, trying to respectfully decline his meds. “Um… I’m not falling for the carrot trick.” He’s such a beauty 😍 you’re looking beautiful too, pregnancy agrees with you. I love how you soothed him at the end. Such a great mom.
That looked difficult. It reminds me of trying to give my dog a pill. They don’t realize it is for their own good. You did great!❤
Yup! Like trying to give the dog the pill (it's rolled up In a piece of bread) you think he took it, then he let's it drop on the floor😅
If only I could hide this in something but I just know he’d sniff it out immediately 😂
Carrie! I’m fairly new to your channel, I’m in Ontario… May I suggest you test Rudniks poop at the vet for parasites, anyone can take a fresh sample and drop it at the vet they will tell you the load and which dewormer to use to be effective if he has worms. I do that and don’t deworm. Honestly it’s a best way best no fuss. If you find he has a heavy load of worms then deworm. I find best to keep his space clean and don’t spread the poop in his space just make a compost pile instead. Heats everything and kills whatever in the poop bonus in a year you have amazing compost (only thing no horse can be on any meds to use it on human plants). To me testing poop and not giving meds that stripe the guts makes more sense. The gut takes care of the whole body but we’re condition to automatically deworm twice a year regardless. We know the outcome of humans been given antibiotic now there are super bugs resistant to all bugs well animal parasites and dewormers are going the same way.
You were filming so he had to show off! Good on ya for being calm and persistent.
He really does know how to test my patience some days 🥲
Smart little toddler Rudnick! Practice for when the baby comes. 😊🤗❤
😂 and true!!
A 20lb toddler will feel like a breeze after dealing with this 1,150lb toddler 😂
Oh boy, I remember trying to help you deworm him once and his violent head tosses lol! I think I went and put my helmet on haha. As others have suggested, save your used dewormer tube and give him yummy things in it occasionally. To start, I've had success with coating the tube in honey or molasses and letting them lick it off. Also, try approach and retreat, where you touch the tube to his cheek and remove it, over and over, until he doesn't associate the sight of it with something bad. You can touch it to his cheek and then give him a treat too. I'd also continue regularly practicing what you're doing here, putting your thumb in his mouth. Transition from that to putting the tube in momentarily (preferably with some honey on it!). Break it down into many small steps and you will have him saying "ah" for his dewormer next spring! :) Titan says his to his former roomie! We dewormed a couple days ago and he put up a BRIEF fuss with a high head, but gave up much more quickly than Rudnik did haha!
Thank you!! Definitely trying that next time and I’ll be doing more practice with the syringe. I might try and puree some carrots to put in the syringe then put molasses on the end - I feel like he’ll accept it but the second I switcharoo on him he’ll never trust me again 😂😂
He is so cute
Just like a little boy who doesn’t want to eat his vegetables lol. If that’s the only resistance he offers to you then I would say he’s an awfully good boy 🥰.
I agree. It could be so much worse - he has very ‘calm’ freak outs at least which I’m grateful for now that I don’t have quite the energy I did before 🥲
He's still a good boy 😊. Maybe the medication could be mixed into some mash??
My horse was an angel about it (he was 15 when I adopted him, so pretty much sanguine about everything), so I really wasn't prepared for the amount of drama from a 19 hand, 2500 lb. American Belgian! Rudnik's antics were nothing compared to the amount of head-tossing, backing up, and trying to rear up. You would have thought that we were trying to kill him. It actually took three of us to get the medicine in him.
Yikes! And that’s a big horse to deal with too - I was surprised Rudniks freak out was as ‘calm’ as it was. It really could have gone so much worse but he was very polite in his ‘freak out’ so I was proud of him for that. Even if I did end up with more wormer on my hands than he did in his stomach 🥲
They should make it in carrot flavor.
Agreed!
Indeed! After all these years has no one come up with a worming dose that tastes good to them? I used to find this such a hassle, too. You had your hands full with the boy here 😂😂
How to dose a horse
START. Catch horse.
1. Realize you left the medicine in the truck. Return to parking lot to get it.
2. Return to pasture to find horse is now on opposite end. How do they KNOW?
3. Catch horse again.
4. Fumble with the cap.
5. RE-catch horse and apply halter and lead rope attached to something larger than the horse.
6. Put finger in horse's mouth.
7. Bandage finger.
8. Place finger in horse's mouth more carefully.
9. Insert syringe or pill.
10. pick up syringe or pill from the ground.
11. Repeat Steps 8 and 9 several times.
12. Open fresh package. Repeat steps 8 and 9.
13 Call dry-cleaner and ask if Ivermectin stains come out of clothing.
14. Mix two parts gin to one part vermouth. Chill and drink.
15. Consider adopting a Burmese tiger. Rumor has it they are much easier to medicate.
😂😂 I’m laughing so hard because the accuracy is on point
hahahahahaha
💥 All that fuss! I actually thought you were trying to get the syringe into his nostril until you put the carrot on it. This vid is like me trying to get my dog to take his flea med! Dang! You guys look great - glad to see B with you, learning how to help with Rudnik, or is that Big Brother? Take care of yourself, don't forget to put your feet up once in a while and more next month!💝💥
Thank you! He definitely does make me work for it - he’s lucky he didn’t get it up the nose with the way he kept pulling his head back 😂
@@rudniktheroan Well keep on him! I'm sure B appreciated the fact that you got that done now instead of having to talk him thru this procedure! This will be a trade off task with dirty diapers come spring time!
Have a nice weekend!
Saw in the comments someone say it was worse than giving a cat a pill. Not so sure about that. The vet gave me a big gel capsule to worm my big old male cat. I held him in my arms and tried to get it in the back of his throat the way I did the dogs. We literally rolled around on the ground in the back yard. I’d think I had it down and he’d hock it back out. It was trying to dissolve and he had green froth coming out of his mouth but still would not swallow. I finally said you win this round. I took him back to the vet and said you do it. By contrast my Great Dane was a breeze, open his mouth, hit back of throat, pill gone. But I wouldn’t shove my hand in a horses mouth with a pill.😂 There are somethings no matter how good and how cooperative your animal is that they just want no part of no matter how gentle you are. But why should we expect them to be different from humans because we have things that no matter how good it is for us we balk at it too.
😂😂 animals really do keep us on our toes. But you gotta love them. I’ve found my dogs have always been easier to get pills down than my cats. It’s like cats can just shoot it right back up out of their stomach while dogs don’t care especially if it’s wrapped in cheese or meat they’re just happy for a treat 😂 cats make it personal
hahahahaha
Even veterinarians have issues! I worked for one who would much rather work with horses than cats. I asked why and he told me about attempting to pill a cat. The cat was having none of it and literally bit through the vet’s thumbnail. Having endured pretty much everything a horse could do to him, that bite hurt so much worse. 😼
OUCH! I’ve definitely had a cat do that to me before I can confirm it does not feel good 🥲
Maybe what you should do is give him things with the syringe that he would like...apple sauce or carrot puree or something. So instead of only shoving a syringe in his mouth twice a year and it's always something nasty, it's something more regular and only twice a year there'd be one that's "nasty." If the good stuff is a more often than not occurrence, he should not shun the syringe ALL the time. Maybe.
I’m definitely going to try this before the next worming comes around in the spring. Normally he’s not nearly so dramatic but he must have been putting on a ‘tough guy’ show for the girls 😂
@@rudniktheroan Or because "Dad" was there and he thought B was going to save him from the dreaded nasty goo. Or both. Show for the ladies, hoping B would save him.
He's a wake up to your tricks. 😆 🤣
He said there’s no pulling one on him today 😂
Yay Rudnik time ❤. Omg I have one horse out of three that is hell to give dewormer to. My other two no issues. But I raised them from weanlings. So I was always playing with their mouth. My senior horse was a project horse. So he always had issues getting dewormed. 🙄. I
Use liquid ivermectin so I just put the dewormer in his pellets. He gobbles it up 😂😂😂
See that’s what I need to try! I was wondering while doing this if they have a liquid I could just throw into his grain - make my life so much easier. But I do also need to just get him used to taking things orally -and I feel like he’s too smart he’d smell it right away and just dump the whole bucket of grain 😂🥲
Yes I think this needs a little more work. You are right not to give up or he will believe he can win by pouting. Kids do the same thing.😊
It may not have been the results I wanted but at least he didn’t get away with it 🥲
How about you dip the whole syringe into thick applesauce. A friend of mine does this and it works most of the time...........Or you make one syringe full of carrot juice first, and then a second one with carrot juice.......and then the third one covered in applesauce and filled with the medication......B should hold Rudnik.......Make it like a game, a lot of cuddles and then the first syringe..and so on...............Good luck and give Rudnik extra kisses from me.........Christian, from North Central Florida..........😘😘😍
I love all these ideas! Thank you! I’ll definitely be working on it before next worming comes around in spring and hopefully we have better luck then
LOL Rudnik, come on now! I imagine the taste is seriously BAD for him to be so resistant to it, poor boy!
I have a few Horrsey friends who have the same issue; one made her own jam and apple butter just so she could hide the wormer or other nasty tasting meds in a pile of the jam or the apple butter, or in apple sauce [also home made so little to now sugar or salt etc added] She used a large melamine bowl, and doled the paste out in several treat-sized servings, which also meant less nasty flavor for her horses.
Another used to hollow out a hole in carrots or apples and gave her horse the treats over the course of their daily work/training.
Rudnik is so funny, tho I know handling his quiet tantrums is challenging, he is still gentle and not losing his temper for real at least!
I love that idea! I’ve saved the syringe to use for training and I really like the apple sauce idea! I’m wondering if I could puree carrots and use that too - I feel like he’d gradually become more accepting of it. Then the first time I swap it for wormer he’ll never trust me again 😂
And I agree! Even when he wants none of it, his ‘freak outs’ are hardly anything compared to what I’ve seen and dealt with other horses in the past!
Maybe 4 hands? I usually hold Luca steady my hubby gets paste in his mouth then he holds the horse's head up while putting his other hand over his nostrils, Luca gives a quick swallow and we're done. Now giving him shots is a whole 'nother scenario 😤
It would probably be a lot easier with extra hands. But because My fiancé is still learning he wouldn’t know exactly what to do which may just cause more confusion and chaos. But next time I may have to ask one of the other girls at the barn for a hand 🥲 funny enough Rudnik is so easy to give shots too. Maybe a flinch but that’s it.
Well who'da thought a 6 yr old would behave like a 6 yr old!? 😁
Right! 😂
Sadly, I've never owned a horse, so I don't know if this is possible or not. If you can hold your finger in his cheek, why can't you just squirt the paste into his cheek so he has no other option than to swallow it ?
Unfortunately he doesn’t like the smell of the paste so as soon as it gets close to his face that’s when he pulls his head away 🥲
That horse ain't no dafty😂
😇🐎😤
He knows that SHOT is BAD FOR HIM!!
Well to start, it’s not a shot and it’s definitely not bad for him - it prevents parasite infestation in their intestines which can lead to colic and death - he just doesn’t care though unless it’s carrots or taste like carrots 😂
Since it's NOT a SHOT...
I don’t know what it is about wormer but it is the absolute worst thing to give them 😩
@@annepettit3855 I’m just glad to see I’m not alone in this 🥲
Why don't you use a twitch ???
It's quick & easier than fighting him. 🇬🇧
Aww poor Rudnik 🥹 sorry bubba I know you hate it but it’s necessary he’s like “ok but no this is utter torture that I didn’t sign up for”!!😂😂 I have absolutely no doubt you know what you’re doing & this is Rudnik being Rudnik but have you tried R+ (clicker training)with this?? I’ve seen other horse guardians use it (Shawna Karrasch has really good resources)again I am totally not an expert I’m just curious. Also did he get even a tiny bit down??🤣🤣🖤💙
I’ve really wanted to start getting into clicker training. Unfortunately most of our training has been put on hold until after baby is here aside from the usual stuff we’ve done and know - but it’s on my list for next year for sure!
@@rudniktheroan That’s what I figured,it’ll definitely be so fun to see how Rudnik responds to it. I use it a lot with my only boy pup he’s nervous with certain things & a people but he one hundred percent knows what the sound of the clicker means & he gets so excited,🤗😄