yeah im on the 3600 currently. realizing its probably time to finally upgrade with stuff that doesnt cost insane prices is an eye opener honestly. issue im having is im building it for streaming as well. i have an old(6 years) 1080 GPU, so im debating on getting a 6800xt to match + 5700x3d and then later in 1-2 years get a 7800x3d and move on to new gen.
@@desmasic LOL! A CPU upgrade is going to do basically *nothing* when running a 1060! You are ludicrously below any kind of CPU performance limit, so don't even bother...
The fact that I can drop in a 290 Euro CPU (275 for the 57X3D) into my 96 Euro motherboard from 2019 and instantly skip ahead 2 generations and 4 years in terms of gaming performance is absolutely insane to me
Agreed. This 5700x3d is bad ass. Its so much faster than my 3700x, and my 3700x was FAST. Even though this 5700x3d has a lower clockspeed than my 3700x, its IPC has improved so greatly that it speeds things up impressively. Instead of being 2 CCX's comprised of 4cores+4cores separated by cache and infinity fabric with this 5000 series all 8 cores are unified without separation, so they're a unified ccx chiplet, all 8 cores crammed tightly together with this vcache on top. There's less distance for information to have to travel across, so it greatly increases speed. I like the design. Mine doesn't exceed 55C when I'm gaming. Good performing chip.
@@DukeDonnerson420 my 5800X3D should be here within the next 2 days, I know the 57 was better value but I thought I might as well go all out since this is the absolute last upgrade I'll ever be able to do with this motherboard. I'm on a 3600 that I got in 2019 right now, I'm super excited lol
Meanwhile I'm using i7 9700 with usual single-use intel platform. To be fair, there was no X3D, when it came out and hypethreading was impacting game performance instead of improving it, while AMD had issues with ram compatibility. But still its disappointing that I need to replace mobo+ram and reinstall OS(the most annoying part) just to upgrade my CPU.
i went from a ryzen 3600 to a ryzen 7 5800x i kept refusing to buy a ryzne 5600 cause i have done every ryzen 5 upgrade since am4 so its like not that much of a upgrade multple times it was on aliexpress for 115€ but i got my 5800x for 160€ shiped from amazon so am happy. i wanted to get the 5800x3d but those prices for me who doesnt game that much i couldnt get my self to spend 270€ for the x3d
It's very impressive. I'm honestly also expecting that the gap between base Zen 5 and Zen 5 X3D to be even larger than the gap between Zen 4 and its X3D counterparts. Zen 5 will end up more memory bandwidth starved than Zen 4, so the Vcache should help even more
it’s a very, very common CPU. Pretty sure a lot of views come from those who have it. It should be included in all videos / charts for another year lol
I mean my 3600 hasn't struggled in gaming yet that i've noticed (i don't play a lot of AAA releases though) but if i can gain a performance increase from my 6700xt as well as increasing the lows a big chunk without a platform upgrade, then i'm sold. We can sell our 3600's to recoup maybe 30-40% of the cost with the 5700x3d, it's kind of a no brainer.
@@Alakazam551I'm considering upgrading because my r5 2600 has started to struggle thanks to Valve's decision to port CSGO to Source 2 for some unholy reason and have it cpu bottlenecked as hell on my system lol I'd totally go with the 5600x3d but it's a NA exclusive unfortunately, can't buy those in Brazil
@@Fentskii Yeah when i first heard about the 5600x3d i was excited till i found out it was US only, 5700x3d solves that at still a decent price (decent discount over 5800x3d where i live). I have seen some benchmarks in the past showing from 2nd gen (what you have) to standard 5000 series and it was already a massive difference in performance , add the 3d cache and you're probably looking at over 100% increase in the best cases and still a massive increase in worst case lol. Edit: idk what the market is like in Brazil, but the 2600 is still a very capable cpu in everything bar really cpu intensive gaming , so hopefully you'll be able to sell it on or use it for family / 2nd pc.
Really nice job on charts. They are not cluttered, black lines between CPU series and transparent effect on non-5gen cpus really makes them easier to read as well.
The most important thing is they start at zero. God bless everyone who doesnt cut charts like marketing division to show "huge" improvements over previous product.
I feel like Gamers Nexus charts are too confusing to read. Then he called himself updating them and it just made it more complicated. His explanation to me didn't help either. Maybe, I don't know how to read charts.
Thank for including the 3600 and 5600. i think most people thinking of 5700x3d are people with that 3rd or 2nd gen ryzen, and it is nice to see the upgrade expected
What’s amazing is the performance uplift on the 7800 X3D which is many cases it’s 1% lows we’re almost as fast as the average frame rate as these Ryzen 5000 models. Incredible.
@@dynamichunter843 it is worth it been enjoying it with nitro+ xtx for a year now literally the best gaming combo i was super scared about pulling the trigger on it but 100% worth it my buddy loves the xt what model did you get
Wow as a 3600 owner this video made my mind up for me, I'm not far from a micro Center so a 5600X3D looks like a no-brainer. The loss of frequency in the 5700x3D is too large for it to keep up with its older and younger brothers
i went from a ryzen 3600 to a ryzen 7 5800x i kept refusing to buy a ryzne 5600 cause i have done every ryzen 5 upgrade since am4 so its like not that much of a upgrade multple times it was on aliexpress for 115€ but i got my 5800x for 160€ shiped from amazon so am happy. i wanted to get the 5800x3d but those prices for me who doesnt game that much i couldnt get my self to spend 270€ for the x3d
My spouse was upgraded from a 1600AF (a downclocked 2600) straight to the 5600X3D and the improvement was massive. My system went from a 3600 to a 5800X3D, same thing... massive improvement. And, per this video... it is very difficult to tell the difference in the two systems in gaming. (I use the extra cores to run a virtual, hosted, system on my desktop when not gaming.) If you have access to a 5600X3D as an upgrade, get it... and don't second guess at all.
@@terr281 i did ryzen 3 1200 to ryzen 5 1600 Oc at 3.8ghz to a 1600AF oc to 4.1ghz to a ryzne 3600 that i tried to oc but that didnt like it so i kept it stock to now a ryzen 5800x and damn it does make a difference
Great timing. Micro Center has all of these on sale right now, and I just reserved the last 5600X3d at my local store. They were out of stock in December but at least one came back in stock and it's my lucky day. $25 new customer coupon will bring it down a little more.
dang thats cheap!345 dollars for it now here in denmark, buying an x570 mobo and 5800x3d for my nephew over the next 2 months!he just got a nice 42 inch 144mhz monitor for Christmas!he will have a better gamer set up than mine soon!
@@johnbernhardtsen3008 Why 58x3d when 7600x/7600 has the same Performance + Upgrade path? Probably cost for am5+ddr5? Though 7600 is around 190€ nowadays
I kinda got the ram for it already! if I am going to upgrade from my new 5800x, which killed an 85 dollar aio cooler, its going to be Intel i5 13600k at least! I gave him 32gb 3600mhz rgb ram last month!and after he is upgraded to the 5800x3d I will send him the other 32gb@@Flashv28
Very nice info! Is there any tuning one can do to the 5xxxX3D if traditional overclocking is locked down? I am wondering if the 5700X3D could claw back some of the 5800X3D performance by tuning the PBO, undervolting, or mild BLK overclocking. Just in case the 5700X3d isn't binned with "bad silicon", but rather a way to segment the X3D-parts to allow for better market coverage in a similar fashion as the 4080 Super (but with lower price +lower performance in AMD:s case).
Only doable in B550 and maybe B450 motherboards. X570 on the other hand are hopeless in BCLK overclocking, at 102Mhz BCLK, USB ports and SATA drives will get wonky . Overclocking thru PBO is locked, it won't work for X3D .
bclk OC is hard on cheap boards. You need a bord with external clock gen to get high. I guess the 5700X3D are parts that did not meed the 5800X3D spec's so you probally wont get as high as on those. PBO does help not all boards support that for the X3D CPU's but i know MSI Does. That helpt with all core performance. Undervolting also raises all core boost clocks. Modern games do get some extra performance out of that. And offcourse Memory OC and higher IF clocks still help a bit but way less compared to the non X3D CPU's. Here is a little Stellaris benshmark i did: 5800X3D Stock 3600CL16 348 63w 4370MHz 5800X3D Tweaked 360 50w 4435-4480MHz Difference was 3.4% but at quite a bit lower power draw. Stellaris is not highly threaded to more modern games might show a bit more gain here. Tweaked setup was "Curve Optimizer -30 All cores + Undervolt VCORE&VSOC, 3733MHz 1:1:1 CL16 Tweaked timings and subtimings" Stock was 3600CL16 with only basic timing tweaked a bit not the subtimings.
I got my 5700x3d to 4.2 with bclk 103.8 and 1900 IF stable. BCLK 104 forces the cpu to "lock down" Also on my board, all core PBO curve works but as soon as I try per core it breaks voltage.
Please, especially in these CPU roundup videos, find a way to add some tic-rate and turn time testing. GN have added late game Stellaris so a HOI4 test and a civ 6 turn time test would be really really great additions. They are widely played and are the kind of title many people turn to between AAA releases while also being the kind of title where budgeting more on the CPU instead of GPU can actually make sense.
Yes please, there are a lot of people who want better CPUs not for improved framerates but for improved turn times (civ, warhammer, etc) or improved simulation speed (Victoria3, Hoi4, etc). Those games are perfectly fine at 40-60fps but benefit massively from improved simulation speeds.
I've upgraded my CPU only because of Minecraft performance. Still wondering how X3D may perform in a heavily modded java game. There is also "7 days to die", that drops framerate inside tall buildings.
I do want to see proper tick rate , turn speed and simulation speed testing, but fwiw, there are proper Stellaris benchmarks around for the 5800x3D and they beat the pants off of non x3d variants of that generation.
Problem with tic-rate games is that they see performance degradation as time progresses and the simulation contains more and more objects to perform calculations on. So even a relatively weak processor will do fine in the early game, while late game is where you'd want to focus your performance improvements since that's where you'll see the most - and the most impactful - degradation. Now I can't recall exactly how this was tested in the videos I saw it tested in (GN, Level 1 Techs), but my suspicion is that as the complexity increases with the game progressing, that in the late game you overflow that v-cache buffer more and more, reducing the benefit it offers more and more as you approach more and more performance impacted phases of the game. At some point raw clock speed is bound to outclass a v-cache benefit you get in the earlier game. Like I said, I don't know where, by my suspicion, the performance graphs between v-cache and clock speed would intersect, so I'd love to see some focused testing on that if anyone knows of a source that has done so.
Thanks for doing this X3D comparison video as a lot of us had built AM4 gaming rigs during the lockdown/GPU shortage period and thus need a cheap upgrade option without having to move up to the more expensive AM5 platform :)
Another review from you, where the numbers are not just spit in front of us, but you showed context, analyzed situation and provided a great conclusion. Still love you Guys! Best HW channel ever.
For anyone watching this now. The 5700x3d is now between 5% and 10% cheaper than the 5600x3d, making it by far the best value of all am4 x3d porcessors.
Could you please start including Hunt Showdown in your benchmarks? It's extremely CPU-dependant due to DX11 and it's about to get an engine upgrade (DX12,FSR2.1.2) around April so tons of people will be interested in how that performs.
Really would have liked to see power draw and efficiency numbers for these processesors. Considering the vastly different specs with the same exact tdp, it would have been interesting to see the differences. Great video, nonetheless.
I have a R5 3600 and I know upgrading to any of the 5000X3D CPU is a no brainer, but unfortunately I'm one of the "lucky" few who has a B350 motherboard that doesn't support Ryzen 5000 (even with the latest BIOS update). So since I have to buy a new motherboard anyway, I finally pulled the trigger on AM5. I bought a R5 7600X + a B650 motherboard + 2x16GB DDR5 6000MT/s CL30 for about $480 total. I kinda overpaid for the motherboard (it has Gen 5 and Gen 4 NVMe slots, WiFi, Bluetooth, 4 RAM slots), but I don't really mind since I'm investing for the future. Had I went for a new AM4 motherboard and a 5000X3D combo (I can reuse my DDR4 RAM), I actually wouldn't save THAT much money anyway. For some reason, a R7 5700X3D is going for $280 where I live. And I'm pleased to know that R5 7600X has about the same performance as those X3D CPUs, plus I can upgrade in the future now! 👍👍👍
The good thing is, all this hype about cheap AM4 upgrades, means that someone who buy ryzen 5000x3d cannot do in short future a good upgrade path, they will need to buy am5+Zen6 with no upgrade path or wait a long long time (2026-2027) before AM6. That's long time to hunger. Now you have future proof motherboard (imo 370x series werent really, only since x570 we had beefy motherboards), and you step in with cheapest ryzen 7000 cpu, still as fast as am 5000x3d yet you can upgrade as far as 11950x3d (if the naming coninues to skip even ryzen generations (like 8000, 6000). I was hyped about the upgrade path but then realized, i'm to late in am4 to get anything from it. Plus motherboards of X670(e) are much stronger for future, and ryzen 7000 has really strong performance uplift for one generation, so even with the extra motherboard /ram cost it's sorta worth it. Since i waited 8 years for cpu, and i do tons of stuff on pc, i allowed myself to buy 7950x3d (wich is cheapest top end cpu launch yet for amd and it includes x3d wich is must for me).
@@diysai I have a B450 and a 3060Ti and I upgraded from a 3600 to a non X3D 5700X back in 2022, and even then it made a difference. If you're targeting high refresh rates, an X3D chip is a no-brainer, but if your goal is 60FPS and you're fine with it dipping below that occasionally, the 3600 will do the job.
Thank you so much HUB for making this video. I’ve been wanting to see this comparison since the 5700x3d release. The fact that you included the 3600 was the icing on the cake. Cheers guys!!
went from a 5700X to 5700X3D purely for PUBG competitions, the FPS gains especially in late circles with lots of players alive is ridiculous, it's literally night and day. Staying above 190FPS even with lots going on. Temps stay below 60 degrees with a 240 liquid cooler, never seen it use more than 75 watts either. Highly recommend this CPU.
This was literally the kind of video I was looking for. I have a 5600X3D, and was curious how it stacked up to the other two releases in gaming. Thanks!
After 5 years i went from a 2600x to a 5600x3d and it was mind blowing how much better it is with an rx6700xt I got the 5600x3d for 130 bucks and i feel like i got a great deal.
Seeing which games did better on which CPU was kind of fascinating. I think this is one of the best "for science" benchmark videos you've put out lately, not just for buying advice. Seeing which games appeared to favor cache size, thread/core count, frequency, etc. in such an apples-to-apples comparison was really neat! I know the margins of difference were often small outside of "More VCache more better", but seeing a faster-clocked lower-core-count part beat the 5700X3d *most of the time* (but not all of the time!) really hammered home how little things make a difference when trying to squeeze out every inch of performance, and how you really can't win 'em all, any part choice will set you ahead in some games and behind in others. But still, trying to suss out the market and plan ahead makes building more exciting, IMO. Anyway, thanks for your dedication to robust testing and giving us interesting comparisons. I don't know what I'd do to understand the gaming market without this channel, almost nothing is as clear and to the point for what can be some esoteric performance discussions otherwise. Much appreciated!!
I just went from 3950X to 5800X3D this week(32GbC16+X570DarkHero+6900XT). In my limited testing its been 30-50% in most games. one in particular im playin a lot of atm is Starship Troopers. That went up around 60% in 1% lows. I was really debating if it was worth it. But sold my 3950x for $400 so the upgrade cost me $120 which was absolutely worth it.
6900XT is very well suited for 5x00x3d. Non-x3d wouldn't be enough to feed this GPU. So w/o changing the whole platform you couldn't achieve comparable uplift. 6900XT is one of the best examples where 5x00x3d shine.
@@nonstickmeat Yea he used USA dollar sign so yes he is saying he got ripped off on a 5800x3d instead of $280.00 to $320 he paid $520 and is very happy to be ripped off.
It's ridiculous that I was able to go through so many processors on my ASUS X370 CH with plenty of performance gains from each upgrade. 1600X->2600X($80@MicroC)->3600X->5600X->5700X3D. I'm still using the original boot SSD and GPU: 960 EVO 250GB and GTX 1080. Upgrading to an RTX 4070 Super and this should still last me several more years. That X370 board has been an amazing decision!
Thank you for the test! Unfortunately 5600X3D is not available in Poland, so I don't think I'll be switching from my 5600. I don't think that moving to 5700X3D or 5800X3D makes sense as 7800X3D can be often bought for only about 100$ more, and at that point I would rather just switch platforms.
@@rustyclark2356 yeah, you can actually get very nice b650 that Steve recommended in his roundup last year for about 50$ cheaper than they were back then, at least in my country. I'm really starting to consider it, especially since DDR5 is much cheaper now as well.
Unless you're planning on playing at 120+ FPS there's really no point in upgrading the 5600. I did, but only because in some games that was exactly the case, I was a couple fps off in CPU demanding titles. Though honestly, it's just better to save that money and put it into AM5, cause as you said, it's only a bit more money, with the added bonus of having a new platform with tons on upgrade potential along the way
@@oskarniklas5061main reason to upgrade to x3d is better 1% low, also helps with mmo like new world or wow battlegrounds for removing stuttering, bf2042 also works good on x3d
@@oskarniklas5061 well, I'm definitely not upgrading any time soon, especially since I'm more bottlenecked by my RTX 3070 (and I use QHD monitor). I also unfortunately really enjoy how Raytracing looks, so I'm generally fucked.
I went from the 3600 to the 5800X3D on the B450 platform and that was quite the jump. Then I added 16gb more ram for 32gb. Then went to the b550 and grabbed a 32gb kit of 3600mt cl16 ddr4 and again, it made quite a difference. Now my housemate has my r5 3600 with 32gb of 3200mt ram on the b450 mobo and a 2060 and he's chuffed as.
I've beeon on 5800X3D for more than a year and a half now, basically right after your review where you showed how it decimated everything in ACC and i've been extremely happy with it. It was stuck in a B450 motherboard up until a month ago when i upgraded to X570 and incredibly, gained on average about 6% more performance. How and why? Well basically i gained 200MHz of boost clocks. Previously it ran at stable 4350MHz, despite the Liquid Freezer II 360mm keeping it well into the 59-62°C range. Now on the new board it stays solid on 4550MHz and it certainly was a nice surprise. AMD really struck gold with the X3D CPUs.
@@abraham9301 Check GN's benchmarks. X3D CPUs absolutely need extensive cooling because of how temperature sensitive the L3 cache is. The 5800X3D in particular is a much hotter CPU than the regular 5800X. The best cooling solution for X3D CPUs really is an AIO.
Dear@@abraham9301, chewbster talks about VRM cooling, not CPU cooling. ;) But yes, the 5800X 3D uses less the VRM, than the 1800X or 2700X for example.
Super grateful you put the Rysen 5 3600 on this graph 👍👍👍👍 Great video and saved me having to work anything out my end 👏 Ty for the hard work as always 🤜🤛
The AM4 platform sort of reminds me of AMD's long term use of the socket7 platform. Older platform, but supported long term with cpus that were still quite reasonable even in comparison to newer platforms. Coincidentally adding larger caches was something they utilized then too with k6-2+/k6-3/k6-3+ (along with 3rd level cache (with mobo cache becoming lv4)).
To play devil's advocate, it reminds me of Intel's use of LGA775. They kept the platform for a long time and had a lot of changes throughout. I have a board here that can run a 2.8 GHz single core Pentium 4 or a 4.2+ GHz Core 2 Quad on the same platform. 4 times the cores, 12 times the cache, with a 50% clock and 60% IPC improvement. Rarely do we see a single platforms where the fastest CPU is an order of magnitude faster than the slowest. That is like going from a Ryzen 3 1200 to a Ryzen 9 5950X, except slightly more.
@@HappyBeezerStudios I dont completely disagree, but boards that support later s775 core2 based systems as well as s775 p4's are rare as hens teeth, whereas wide long-term support for socket 7 and am4 is the norm. I'm into a few alternative type OSes where s775 is the highest end platform and gpu support end at gf5 fx, so I've spent over a decade slowly but surely incrementally upgrading it whenever I can squeeze a few more % out. Its been a c2q 9650 @4.65ghz for many years, but mobos have changed, ram has changed, gpu has changed multiple times. All in an attempt to get the absolute best system possible for running Amithlon (sort of a hybrid emulator/AmigaOS3.9 running on bare metal type system where only the cpu is emulated). Long story short I've spent a lot of time with s775 over the years. Still hunting for a board with ago that supports later c2q boards, but I'm not holding my breath.
@@beezle1976 P35 is my suggestion. Fully compatible with 45nm chips (including LGA771 Xeons), but also 200 FSB Pentium 4 (but only unofficially. it's a bit like the Tualatin on i815 situation, not officially supported, but generally compatible)
I just wanted to thank you for adding the R5 3600. I don’t know if it was me who mentioned it, but this performance comparison is definitely what us gamers wanted to know. Thank you for the hard work!!
Do these X3D chips show any difference when not using flagship GPUs or are the differences only noticeable with flagship GPUs? I have a Ryzen 7 5800X paired with a Radeon RX 6800 XT. If I were to get an X3D CPU, will there be any noticeable difference in fps with the 6800XT?
With 4070 Super and regular 5700X, Watch Dogs Legion with RTX does not exceed 100 FPS on 1080P, so my guess (It pains me that it is so hard to find info on which pairs of CPU/GPU you are likely to be limited by which of the two since CPUs are tested with 4090) is that on anything lower tier than 4080 and with most games you will be usually GPU limited (unless you lower the graphics settings).
Depends on the resolution, refresh rate, and the game. You can find the answer easily enough by running the games you play and noting how often your GPU usage drops far below 100%. Make sure you also note the GPU clocks. You also shouldn't bother trying to render more frames than your refresh rate, as you'll do nothing but waste power and generate screen tearing.
It depends on your game. I moved from 5600 to 5800X3D recently and noticed improved framerates at 1440p using a 6800 XT in Hogwarts and Starfield but most improved are the frameTIMES (1% lows/framerate consistency) in both as well as in Minecraft at 32 chunks with shaders. Those are much appreciated and yes, all 3 are "broken" games when it comes to CPU use.
start task manager. If your GPU chart (3D) is over 95% while you play, you’re gpu limited. If it’s under 90% you could use a faster cpu. I think people here underestimate their GPU bottlenecks and upgrade every generation. These comments are astounding to me
The PC build I did for my GF has an AMD 3600, just picked up the 5700X3D for cheap off Ali Express, about AUD$220. Going to upgrade it this weekend! Thanks for the video helped me pick out a good upgrade without having to rebuild the whole Computer!
Oh man I literally went from a 3600X to a 5800X3D yesterday the day before this video came out. Crazy coincidence, thanks for doing my testing for me guys, you're the best. I got a XFX 6950XT tho not a 4090. This video was awesome, keep it up
I cant understand why am4 is not recommended... I am stuck on i7-7700k and paying 320€ to go on 5700x3d with b550 (greek prices) is much more logical for me than spending 450-500 for am5 ddr5 system
As a 5800x 4090 owner. I’m leaning the direction of the Microcenter bundle for the 7800x3d/ram/mobo combo for like 469$ right now. I know the MOBO B650 gets mixed reviews on problems, but the price is almost unbeatable. I was planning on just getting the 5800x3d and maxing out AM4. But seeing those huge gains at the top of the charts makes it seem pointless. My only hang up is I game at 4K@120 on a LG C1. So I know the difference is actually less than the 1080p charts here. The fact that I only play games a few hours a month also makes me kinda content with where I’m at. The next AM5 CPUs will be out soon enough, that I may as well just wait and instead of spending $470 now for the 7800x3d see what the $500-$600 uplift is. Great video as always. Love the channel. Keep it up.
I also have a 4090/ 7800x3d/ 64 gig of ddr5 ram build and I also have a 65 inch LG c1. I would say get the 7800x3d now. We don't know when the next chips are coming out and you shouldn't be worried about that anyway. Will there be a performance increase for the next generation of course but the 7800x3d will be more then enough. I limit all of my games to 120 fps but I do like to see how many frames I can get at 1080p, 1440p, and 4k at low, medium, and high settings then I limit the frames back to 120fps.
Upgraded from 3700x to a 5800x3d, the latter of which I bought on sale for around $270 USD. Even when primarily gaming at 4k, it significantly reduced perceived stutter, which I believe is numerically reflected in 1% lows. Well worth the money for me, as I play a lot of BG3 and so the extra CPU oomph was lovely. Considering that the 5700x3d is pretty much identical, I suggest those with Ryzen 3000 or lower to upgrade to it as it's the same part but $50 cheaper. I guess penny pinchers can wait till it goes on flash sale for like ~$225 around black friday prices, but honestly I'd say it's worth to upgrade now if you're eyeing an x3d part for some time now.
Ram speed and latency to blame probably. X3d cache eliminates them. There were a couple of videos, where Steve showed how much memory latency matters for 1% lows on Zen 1 and 2.
Perfect video showcasing the older and newer alternatives. As someone that went from the 3600 to a 5800X3D this is a great video to reinforce my decision
Same here just refresh my system went from 3600XT to 5800X3D and upgraded my memory from 16GB 3200mhz to 32GB 3600mhz probably gonna sit on this for same amount of time until full upgrade
This was a very well presented comparison. The inclusion of the 3600 gave some reference to existing systems and the am5 parts show the jump to a new platform. The highlighting of parts you were discussing helped with following along with the comparisons
Got my 5800X3D about 16 months ago for ~$230 (~$290 including 25% VAT) in Sweden when a local store had a very good offer on them. I don't regret replacing my 5900x with the 5800X3D in my gaming system since most of the early access games I play really benefit from the v-cache.
Currently have a 3900x (in a X570 ROG Crosshair VIII Hero) and have been wondering about maybe getting a 5800X3D instead of doing a full system upgrade so I don't have to replace CPU/Mobo/RAM all in one go. I no longer really need the CPU cores, the system is now mostly for gaming and content consumption. I'm not doing video rendering/compute/VM stuff much anymore so other than the occasional edit for a TH-cam clip or video the extra cores/threads are not as needed. Would certainly be cheaper. EDIT: Should note GPU is 3090 and gaming at either 120Hz 3440x1440 or 60Hz 3840x2160 depending on if I want to play in UW or not.
I understand that the player base for escape from Tarkov is pretty small, but we are extremely cpu limited. I really wish we could get included in cpu reviews, if not GPU reviews. 8(
I went from a 5700X to a 5700X3D. Seemed pointless to me at first, but i noticed the 1% lows skyrocketed. games like Forza are making good use of the cache and at one point on 1080p i saw my fps reach 165 without having to use DLSS. I am actually GPU bound now by my 4070 and kinda wish i had gotten a 7900 XT. I upgraded my school IT guy's rig and he is happy with the 5700X. it replaced his 3700X
The AM4 platform has been the best CPU platform for the last decade. AM5 hasn't yet lived up to it, but I have little doubt it will eventually. Rumors of the Zen5 chips makes it look like that will be its big win.
Tbh i am tempted to upgrade my 8086k to one of these as would save me money on memory as could use my current one and i do not run games in very high resolution
@@EastyyBlogspot Since you already have 32GB of RAM with acceptable speed, I would recommend OCing the 8086k to at least 5.0GHz to get a ~15% performance boost. This may result in higher temperatures since the chip has thermalpaste between the DIE and the IHS. I think you can squeeze at least a year out of this platform. Upgrading to a AM4 is not recommended, only when you already have a Board or CPU lying around.
On the other hand - I'm amazed how far down I've had to scroll this time to find the first comment of this sort. And it's a nice one for a change. Seems like Steve including an explanation (again!) for why CPU testing is done with a high end GPU paid off.
Man I can always count you guys to drop a video on the exact topic I'm contemplating, exactly when I need it! My 5800X somehow fried itself so I'm using this as an opportunity to swap cases and deep clean. I don't want to upgrade to AM5 cause I don't want to pay for a new mobo or DDR5 ram just yet, so I'm considering the 5800X3D and 5900X since they're both on sale right now. I mainly use my PC for gaming and casual use like youtube and discord. Sometimes I think about getting into video editing, but I haven't yet and mostly use it for gaming. With that in mind, should I go for the 5800X3D on sale right now for $359 or the 5900X, which is on sale for $299 right now? For reference, I'm on a 3080 and 32gb of ram at 1440p.
@@MrAnimescrazy That's what I'm leaning towards too. It seems like the 5800X3D is still plenty capable for productivity tasks, just not as fast as the 5800X or 5900X, and I'm okay with that since I don't do any of those at a professional level or anything
I have seen a small but measurable improvement in fps when I disable SMT on my 5800x3d vs my 5800x. (at least in the titles I'm playing at the moment.) After some googleing around, the strongest hypothesis for this discrepancy is that the extra L3 afforded by X3d closes the CPU pipeline bubble issue to keep the ALU and FPU fed with data in a timely fashion, something that SMT is a tradeoff design feature to address keeping the CPU pipeline fed with data to avoid what is called pipeline bubbles at the expense of latency. Some other minor tech tubers have anecdotal testing on 7800x3d that show similar results as mine on other titles. My tests show the Linpack takes decent hit in performance with SMT disabled on a 5800x whereas on my 5800x3d the performance is identical. (The hypothesis is that the L3 cache is able to keep the pipeline properly fed.) On poorly optimized and light multi-threaded workloads, such as the multi treaded bench in CPU-Z, SMT still sees an advantage on both CPUs. Zen3 was the first AMD architecture to feature real "zero bubble" pipeline optimizations where Zen2, and prior, did not. This may explain why Intel's next CPU uarch does not feature SMT as other CPU architectures, ARM et al, are also featuring zero bubble pipeline and branch predictor advancements that address the issue of parallelism and pipeline bubbles more efficiently than SMT, which was originally designed to address both as a HW & OS scheduler hack of sorts.
What I can see is that gaming is still not past 6 cores. The 5600X3D seems to be really great value for it's price, but the fact that we have region-locked hardware is a bad thing.
I myself have an R7-5800X3D but what is really shocking to me is how the R5-3600X, a CPU that I upgraded from years ago, is still holding up really well with almost every game easily running above 60FPS. That's just amazing to me.
7900xt(x) is not a weak gpu by any means. If you are upgrading from Ryzen3000-series or older, there is no point in going with anything less than 5700x3d or straight to AM5 with that GPU...
Thank you for including 5600X, I was debating between upgrading to 7600 or 5800X3d, decided in the favor of the latter as it is a drop in upgrade while I can recoup 1/3ish of the cost with sale of 5600X.
You can use PBO2 tuner in windows to alter CO values, and with an external clockgen you can OC these chips as far as cooling and ~1.25v max load will take you. My 5800x3d is at 102 bclk with -25 CO all core and runs like a dream
Thank you for this video. The charts you shared were perfect. They focused on the areas of concern for people considering upgrading - which processor, how much performance, and what if I went AM5. I have a AM4 5600x and was thinking about dropping in one of these X3D chips for future proofing the platform. Now I know that it really isn’t a great idea.
I´m on the same boat, I won´t be spending more money on an old platform. My B450 motherboard is only PCI 3.0 with a 5600x, it works fine with my 4070 but a more powerful GPU would struggle. I´m better saving my money for AM5 with ryzen 8000 later this year.
Probably never. Atm, adding V-cache means a reduction in clocks. It's all well and good for strictly gaming. But, for production purposes having the higher clocks is preferable. It also gives AMD a reason to sell more sku's and price the X3D variants at a premium. I'd love for every cpu to have V-cache and run >6ghz. In the forseeable future it's either or.
Great Review, but is there any difference when gaming at 1440p or 4k, does the scale transfer to higher resolutions?? I know that's typically a GPU component, but I believe some games fare differently in CPUs used and at certain resolutions? or am I just off/wrong?
Between a 5800x and 5800X3D, is the gap as big as shown in the video on higher resolution? I'm playing on a 34" (3440x1440) and I'm curious if upgrading would give such boost shown in the video?
I dropped a 5600X3D in my five year old's first PC (basically a glorified Minecraft box). It's a beast for his needs and the price was impossible to pass up when bundled with a motherboard and RAM. It really is a great buy.
This was literally the perfect video for me! Thanks for all the hard work and benchmarking of old hardware so that I know the best upgrade path the next time I visit a micro center
I was able to snag a 5600X3D for $157 at microcenter. Upgraded from my old 3700x and kept the same prism cooler. All in all spent like $75 on a massive gaming upgrade with my 3080ti for 1080p ultra high fps gaming. Couldnt be happier with the results.
This long term socket/platform support has been a major win for everyone who got on AM4. My next buy will be AMD for many reasons, and this is one of the main ones.
I think that was a really nice summary of what core count, clock speed, memory speed(with am5) and large cache does for gaming. You had the whole spread of data nicely summed up. 👌
Great comparison video and good choice of cpus that are being compared here. I picked up the 5800X3D when it dropped to around 270€ a few months ago, here in germany and apparently it was a pretty good choice, seeing your video. Thanks for always providing this high level of quality in your testing.
It still baffles me that people complain about using a 4090 in a CPU benchmark because it's not "realistic". These people have no comprehension of fifth-grade science concepts.
It is due to bottlenecks and limitations. If you are baffled it is because they didn't note to explain bottlenecks or why since it's not baffling at all. Only if this was listed "what CPU does a 4090 need. This is a great test, I wish I could view it compared to the identical test using a 4080 or 4060 and lesser gpu given in the case of a 4080 the percentage gains from the am4 vs am5 equivalent cpus x series and x3d are half that of the 4090's results "especially with the 7800x3d I am glad to see in this test they prove how much you are losing if running a 4090 on lesser cpus being that you could buy a 4080/7900xtx and an am5 board/7800x3d cpu for the same price as a 4090 and likely get better performance than the am4/4090 combos listed. If someone had a 3080ti or 3090 already they would be less likely to see this huge jump with the 7800x3d and a better representation of expected gains on the 3080/90 or 4070/80 as well as their 6800/6900/7700/7800/7900 competition....Even the lower 3060/4060 5700xt/6600/7600 and 6700 serieswhich all place similar.
You are a mad scientist OP. Thanks. I also had a thought that you might do well to include the percentage differences between the x3d and the non-x3d models. I know you said them in the voice dialogue, but some people might also like to see the number on the graph itself. Cheers!
I was a bit surprised by how close these are in performance. All in all, banger gaming CPUs from AMD! Rocking a 5800X3D, but wishing I paid current prices. ;)
This video in a nutshell: X3D 5600X3D 5700X3D 5800X3D X3D X3D X3D 5700X3D 5600X3D X3D X3D 5700X3D X3D 5800X3D X3D X3D X3D X3D 5800X3D X3D 5700X3D 5600X3D X3D X3D 5600X3D 5700X3D 5800X3D X3D X3D X3D 5700X3D 5600X3D X3D X3D 5700X3D X3D 5800X3D X3D X3D X3D X3D 5800X3D X3D 5700X3D 5600X3D X3D X3D 5600X3D 5700X3D 5800X3D X3D X3D X3D 5700X3D 5600X3D X3D X3D 5700X3D X3D 5800X3D X3D X3D X3D X3D 5800X3D X3D 5700X3D 5600X3D X3D X3D 5600X3D 5700X3D 5800X3D X3D X3D X3D 5700X3D 5600X3D X3D X3D 5700X3D X3D 5800X3D X3D X3D X3D X3D 5800X3D X3D 5700X3D 5600X3D X3D X3D 5600X3D 5700X3D 5800X3D X3D X3D X3D 5700X3D 5600X3D X3D X3D 5700X3D X3D 5800X3D X3D X3D X3D X3D 5800X3D X3D 5700X3D 5600X3D X3D X3D 5600X3D 5700X3D 5800X3D X3D X3D X3D 5700X3D 5600X3D X3D X3D 5700X3D X3D 5800X3D X3D X3D X3D X3D 5800X3D X3D 5700X3D 5600X3D X3D X3D 5600X3D 5700X3D 5800X3D X3D X3D X3D 5700X3D 5600X3D X3D X3D 5700X3D X3D 5800X3D X3D X3D X3D X3D 5800X3D X3D 5700X3D 5600X3D X3D X3D 5600X3D 5700X3D 5800X3D X3D X3D X3D 5700X3D 5600X3D X3D X3D 5700X3D X3D 5800X3D X3D X3D X3D X3D 5800X3D X3D 5700X3D 5600X3D X3D X3D 5600X3D 5700X3D 5800X3D X3D X3D X3D 5700X3D 5600X3D X3D X3D 5700X3D X3D 5800X3D X3D X3D X3D X3D 5800X3D X3D 5700X3D 5600X3D X3D X3D 5600X3D 5700X3D 5800X3D X3D X3D X3D 5700X3D 5600X3D X3D X3D 5700X3D X3D 5800X3D X3D X3D X3D X3D 5800X3D X3D 5700X3D 5600X3D X3D X3D 5600X3D 5700X3D 5800X3D X3D X3D X3D 5700X3D 5600X3D X3D X3D 5700X3D X3D 5800X3D X3D X3D X3D X3D 5800X3D X3D 5700X3D 5600X3D X3D
lmao
I hope no one is doing a drinking game where every time Steve says x3d = 1 shot
NEEDS MORE X3D
Fair summary
damn that might give someone an epilepsy attack
Choosing to include the 3600, 7600, and 7800X3Ds in the data is extremely useful
@@desmasic if gaming is the priority, then 5800X3D all the way
HU understood the assignment well
yeah im on the 3600 currently. realizing its probably time to finally upgrade with stuff that doesnt cost insane prices is an eye opener honestly.
issue im having is im building it for streaming as well. i have an old(6 years) 1080 GPU, so im debating on getting a 6800xt to match + 5700x3d and then later in 1-2 years get a 7800x3d and move on to new gen.
7800X3D is the Most Power Efficient.
@@desmasic LOL! A CPU upgrade is going to do basically *nothing* when running a 1060! You are ludicrously below any kind of CPU performance limit, so don't even bother...
The fact that I can drop in a 290 Euro CPU (275 for the 57X3D) into my 96 Euro motherboard from 2019 and instantly skip ahead 2 generations and 4 years in terms of gaming performance is absolutely insane to me
Agreed. This 5700x3d is bad ass. Its so much faster than my 3700x, and my 3700x was FAST. Even though this 5700x3d has a lower clockspeed than my 3700x, its IPC has improved so greatly that it speeds things up impressively. Instead of being 2 CCX's comprised of 4cores+4cores separated by cache and infinity fabric with this 5000 series all 8 cores are unified without separation, so they're a unified ccx chiplet, all 8 cores crammed tightly together with this vcache on top. There's less distance for information to have to travel across, so it greatly increases speed. I like the design. Mine doesn't exceed 55C when I'm gaming. Good performing chip.
@@DukeDonnerson420 my 5800X3D should be here within the next 2 days, I know the 57 was better value but I thought I might as well go all out since this is the absolute last upgrade I'll ever be able to do with this motherboard. I'm on a 3600 that I got in 2019 right now, I'm super excited lol
Meanwhile I'm using i7 9700 with usual single-use intel platform. To be fair, there was no X3D, when it came out and hypethreading was impacting game performance instead of improving it, while AMD had issues with ram compatibility. But still its disappointing that I need to replace mobo+ram and reinstall OS(the most annoying part) just to upgrade my CPU.
@@stefannita3439 Enjoying the same exact upgrade for a week now. Worth it.
@@DukeDonnerson420 Is that watercooled? My 5800X3D goes to around 75C in a stress test on a Noctua NH-D15.
Thank you for including the 3600
I am still using the 3600 and thinking what cpu is best for an upgrade for AM4, or if would go to AM5. This video really helps!
i'm on the 3700x which is basically the same performance as the 3600, so this was helpful for me as well
@@Kreeschon I just swap from a 3700x to a 7800x3d this week
i went from a ryzen 3600 to a ryzen 7 5800x i kept refusing to buy a ryzne 5600 cause i have done every ryzen 5 upgrade since am4 so its like not that much of a upgrade multple times it was on aliexpress for 115€ but i got my 5800x for 160€ shiped from amazon so am happy. i wanted to get the 5800x3d but those prices for me who doesnt game that much i couldnt get my self to spend 270€ for the x3d
@@roneeh7332 You're already on AM4 so go 5700x3d or 5800x3d. They will comfortably handle any GPU on todays market
What AMD has done with the 7800X3D is insane. 31% performance uplift in a single generation is massive.
It's very impressive. I'm honestly also expecting that the gap between base Zen 5 and Zen 5 X3D to be even larger than the gap between Zen 4 and its X3D counterparts. Zen 5 will end up more memory bandwidth starved than Zen 4, so the Vcache should help even more
@@2intheampm512can you elaborate on 'zen5 will end up more memory bandwidth starved than zen4' ?🤔
only if you have a high end/flagship GPU 😭
31% with an rtx 4090 at 1080p
@@georgegkoumas4455Exactly. Why would you even consider AM4 at the point your GPU is worth two grand? 🤔🙄
Love the inclusion of the r5 3600, because this is exactly the upgrade path I'm looking forward to!
it’s a very, very common CPU. Pretty sure a lot of views come from those who have it. It should be included in all videos / charts for another year lol
I mean my 3600 hasn't struggled in gaming yet that i've noticed (i don't play a lot of AAA releases though) but if i can gain a performance increase from my 6700xt as well as increasing the lows a big chunk without a platform upgrade, then i'm sold.
We can sell our 3600's to recoup maybe 30-40% of the cost with the 5700x3d, it's kind of a no brainer.
@@Alakazam551I'm considering upgrading because my r5 2600 has started to struggle thanks to Valve's decision to port CSGO to Source 2 for some unholy reason and have it cpu bottlenecked as hell on my system lol
I'd totally go with the 5600x3d but it's a NA exclusive unfortunately, can't buy those in Brazil
@@Fentskii Yeah when i first heard about the 5600x3d i was excited till i found out it was US only, 5700x3d solves that at still a decent price (decent discount over 5800x3d where i live).
I have seen some benchmarks in the past showing from 2nd gen (what you have) to standard 5000 series and it was already a massive difference in performance , add the 3d cache and you're probably looking at over 100% increase in the best cases and still a massive increase in worst case lol.
Edit: idk what the market is like in Brazil, but the 2600 is still a very capable cpu in everything bar really cpu intensive gaming , so hopefully you'll be able to sell it on or use it for family / 2nd pc.
Funny thing is do you have 3600 and 4090?
Really nice job on charts. They are not cluttered, black lines between CPU series and transparent effect on non-5gen cpus really makes them easier to read as well.
The most important thing is they start at zero. God bless everyone who doesnt cut charts like marketing division to show "huge" improvements over previous product.
I feel like Gamers Nexus charts are too confusing to read. Then he called himself updating them and it just made it more complicated. His explanation to me didn't help either. Maybe, I don't know how to read charts.
@@dlewis9760Right, but if they tested with a 4060 and were gpu limited, then it isn't very useful information.
He has the best charts
Thank for including the 3600 and 5600. i think most people thinking of 5700x3d are people with that 3rd or 2nd gen ryzen, and it is nice to see the upgrade expected
What’s amazing is the performance uplift on the 7800 X3D which is many cases it’s 1% lows we’re almost as fast as the average frame rate as these Ryzen 5000 models. Incredible.
I love my 7800x3d if you ever think about upgrading and have the money it is 100% worth it
@@Kringey1just bought mine in a bundle deal on Newegg with mobo & ram with a 7900xt, super excited for 1440p ultrawide gaming :D
@@dynamichunter843 it is worth it been enjoying it with nitro+ xtx for a year now literally the best gaming combo i was super scared about pulling the trigger on it but 100% worth it my buddy loves the xt what model did you get
Wow as a 3600 owner this video made my mind up for me, I'm not far from a micro Center so a 5600X3D looks like a no-brainer. The loss of frequency in the 5700x3D is too large for it to keep up with its older and younger brothers
i went from a ryzen 3600 to a ryzen 7 5800x i kept refusing to buy a ryzne 5600 cause i have done every ryzen 5 upgrade since am4 so its like not that much of a upgrade multple times it was on aliexpress for 115€ but i got my 5800x for 160€ shiped from amazon so am happy. i wanted to get the 5800x3d but those prices for me who doesnt game that much i couldnt get my self to spend 270€ for the x3d
Just get the 5800X3D. A small price to pay for the extra cores if this is your main system.
My spouse was upgraded from a 1600AF (a downclocked 2600) straight to the 5600X3D and the improvement was massive. My system went from a 3600 to a 5800X3D, same thing... massive improvement. And, per this video... it is very difficult to tell the difference in the two systems in gaming. (I use the extra cores to run a virtual, hosted, system on my desktop when not gaming.) If you have access to a 5600X3D as an upgrade, get it... and don't second guess at all.
@@terr281 i did ryzen 3 1200 to ryzen 5 1600 Oc at 3.8ghz to a 1600AF oc to 4.1ghz to a ryzne 3600 that i tried to oc but that didnt like it so i kept it stock to now a ryzen 5800x and damn it does make a difference
@@solocamo3654 all I do is play games on this and browse youtube, 3600 hasn't been an issue for either idk if it'll be $100 well spent
Great timing. Micro Center has all of these on sale right now, and I just reserved the last 5600X3d at my local store. They were out of stock in December but at least one came back in stock and it's my lucky day. $25 new customer coupon will bring it down a little more.
My 5800X3D CPU was itemized as $150 in the Micro Center Bundle I bought 2 days ago.
dang thats cheap!345 dollars for it now here in denmark, buying an x570 mobo and 5800x3d for my nephew over the next 2 months!he just got a nice 42 inch 144mhz monitor for Christmas!he will have a better gamer set up than mine soon!
@@johnbernhardtsen3008
Why 58x3d when 7600x/7600 has the same Performance + Upgrade path?
Probably cost for am5+ddr5?
Though 7600 is around 190€ nowadays
I kinda got the ram for it already! if I am going to upgrade from my new 5800x, which killed an 85 dollar aio cooler, its going to be Intel i5 13600k at least! I gave him 32gb 3600mhz rgb ram last month!and after he is upgraded to the 5800x3d I will send him the other 32gb@@Flashv28
@@johnbernhardtsen3008buying x570 and x3d new is really stupid sorry
at this point you should get am5 board and 7600x for basically same price and performance but better upgrade path@@johnbernhardtsen3008
Very nice info! Is there any tuning one can do to the 5xxxX3D if traditional overclocking is locked down? I am wondering if the 5700X3D could claw back some of the 5800X3D performance by tuning the PBO, undervolting, or mild BLK overclocking.
Just in case the 5700X3d isn't binned with "bad silicon", but rather a way to segment the X3D-parts to allow for better market coverage in a similar fashion as the 4080 Super (but with lower price +lower performance in AMD:s case).
there's buildzoid's(actually hardcore overclocking) video about that. basically overclocking gives little to no improvement
Only doable in B550 and maybe B450 motherboards. X570 on the other hand are hopeless in BCLK overclocking, at 102Mhz BCLK, USB ports and SATA drives will get wonky . Overclocking thru PBO is locked, it won't work for X3D .
bclk OC is hard on cheap boards. You need a bord with external clock gen to get high. I guess the 5700X3D are parts that did not meed the 5800X3D spec's so you probally wont get as high as on those.
PBO does help not all boards support that for the X3D CPU's but i know MSI Does. That helpt with all core performance. Undervolting also raises all core boost clocks. Modern games do get some extra performance out of that.
And offcourse Memory OC and higher IF clocks still help a bit but way less compared to the non X3D CPU's. Here is a little Stellaris benshmark i did:
5800X3D Stock 3600CL16 348 63w 4370MHz
5800X3D Tweaked 360 50w 4435-4480MHz
Difference was 3.4% but at quite a bit lower power draw. Stellaris is not highly threaded to more modern games might show a bit more gain here. Tweaked setup was "Curve Optimizer -30 All cores + Undervolt VCORE&VSOC, 3733MHz 1:1:1 CL16 Tweaked timings and subtimings"
Stock was 3600CL16 with only basic timing tweaked a bit not the subtimings.
Just use pbo tuner at -25, run a benchmark and see if it helps. If it doesn't just enjoy your cpu without modification.
I got my 5700x3d to 4.2 with bclk 103.8 and 1900 IF stable. BCLK 104 forces the cpu to "lock down" Also on my board, all core PBO curve works but as soon as I try per core it breaks voltage.
Please, especially in these CPU roundup videos, find a way to add some tic-rate and turn time testing. GN have added late game Stellaris so a HOI4 test and a civ 6 turn time test would be really really great additions. They are widely played and are the kind of title many people turn to between AAA releases while also being the kind of title where budgeting more on the CPU instead of GPU can actually make sense.
Yes please, there are a lot of people who want better CPUs not for improved framerates but for improved turn times (civ, warhammer, etc) or improved simulation speed (Victoria3, Hoi4, etc). Those games are perfectly fine at 40-60fps but benefit massively from improved simulation speeds.
I've upgraded my CPU only because of Minecraft performance. Still wondering how X3D may perform in a heavily modded java game.
There is also "7 days to die", that drops framerate inside tall buildings.
I do want to see proper tick rate , turn speed and simulation speed testing, but fwiw, there are proper Stellaris benchmarks around for the 5800x3D and they beat the pants off of non x3d variants of that generation.
also some CPU intensive sim would be great, MS2020 maybe? There is not a big point going trough 4 same/similar style games...
Problem with tic-rate games is that they see performance degradation as time progresses and the simulation contains more and more objects to perform calculations on. So even a relatively weak processor will do fine in the early game, while late game is where you'd want to focus your performance improvements since that's where you'll see the most - and the most impactful - degradation.
Now I can't recall exactly how this was tested in the videos I saw it tested in (GN, Level 1 Techs), but my suspicion is that as the complexity increases with the game progressing, that in the late game you overflow that v-cache buffer more and more, reducing the benefit it offers more and more as you approach more and more performance impacted phases of the game. At some point raw clock speed is bound to outclass a v-cache benefit you get in the earlier game.
Like I said, I don't know where, by my suspicion, the performance graphs between v-cache and clock speed would intersect, so I'd love to see some focused testing on that if anyone knows of a source that has done so.
Thanks for doing this X3D comparison video as a lot of us had built AM4 gaming rigs during the lockdown/GPU shortage period and thus need a cheap upgrade option without having to move up to the more expensive AM5 platform :)
Another review from you, where the numbers are not just spit in front of us, but you showed context, analyzed situation and provided a great conclusion. Still love you Guys! Best HW channel ever.
For anyone watching this now.
The 5700x3d is now between 5% and 10% cheaper than the 5600x3d, making it by far the best value of all am4 x3d porcessors.
Could you please start including Hunt Showdown in your benchmarks? It's extremely CPU-dependant due to DX11 and it's about to get an engine upgrade (DX12,FSR2.1.2) around April so tons of people will be interested in how that performs.
Really would have liked to see power draw and efficiency numbers for these processesors. Considering the vastly different specs with the same exact tdp, it would have been interesting to see the differences. Great video, nonetheless.
5700X3D is 20w less than the 5800X3D in a Blender workload iirc. gaming loads would be the same
I have a R5 3600 and I know upgrading to any of the 5000X3D CPU is a no brainer, but unfortunately I'm one of the "lucky" few who has a B350 motherboard that doesn't support Ryzen 5000 (even with the latest BIOS update). So since I have to buy a new motherboard anyway, I finally pulled the trigger on AM5. I bought a R5 7600X + a B650 motherboard + 2x16GB DDR5 6000MT/s CL30 for about $480 total. I kinda overpaid for the motherboard (it has Gen 5 and Gen 4 NVMe slots, WiFi, Bluetooth, 4 RAM slots), but I don't really mind since I'm investing for the future. Had I went for a new AM4 motherboard and a 5000X3D combo (I can reuse my DDR4 RAM), I actually wouldn't save THAT much money anyway. For some reason, a R7 5700X3D is going for $280 where I live. And I'm pleased to know that R5 7600X has about the same performance as those X3D CPUs, plus I can upgrade in the future now! 👍👍👍
Which B350 mb do you have?
The good thing is, all this hype about cheap AM4 upgrades, means that someone who buy ryzen 5000x3d cannot do in short future a good upgrade path, they will need to buy am5+Zen6 with no upgrade path or wait a long long time (2026-2027) before AM6. That's long time to hunger.
Now you have future proof motherboard (imo 370x series werent really, only since x570 we had beefy motherboards), and you step in with cheapest ryzen 7000 cpu, still as fast as am 5000x3d yet you can upgrade as far as 11950x3d (if the naming coninues to skip even ryzen generations (like 8000, 6000).
I was hyped about the upgrade path but then realized, i'm to late in am4 to get anything from it. Plus motherboards of X670(e) are much stronger for future, and ryzen 7000 has really strong performance uplift for one generation, so even with the extra motherboard /ram cost it's sorta worth it.
Since i waited 8 years for cpu, and i do tons of stuff on pc, i allowed myself to buy 7950x3d (wich is cheapest top end cpu launch yet for amd and it includes x3d wich is must for me).
I have a b450 motherboard and a 3060ti so I guess my 3600 is not limiting me enough to upgrade yet.
The asrock b650m pro rs offers gen5 nvme support and it's really cheap.
@@diysai I have a B450 and a 3060Ti and I upgraded from a 3600 to a non X3D 5700X back in 2022, and even then it made a difference. If you're targeting high refresh rates, an X3D chip is a no-brainer, but if your goal is 60FPS and you're fine with it dipping below that occasionally, the 3600 will do the job.
Thank you so much HUB for making this video. I’ve been wanting to see this comparison since the 5700x3d release. The fact that you included the 3600 was the icing on the cake. Cheers guys!!
It's all water under the fridge!
went from a 5700X to 5700X3D purely for PUBG competitions, the FPS gains especially in late circles with lots of players alive is ridiculous, it's literally night and day. Staying above 190FPS even with lots going on. Temps stay below 60 degrees with a 240 liquid cooler, never seen it use more than 75 watts either. Highly recommend this CPU.
This was literally the kind of video I was looking for. I have a 5600X3D, and was curious how it stacked up to the other two releases in gaming. Thanks!
you are really lucky to be able to buy that! The whole world wishes we got that where they live
After 5 years i went from a 2600x to a 5600x3d and it was mind blowing how much better it is with an rx6700xt
I got the 5600x3d for 130 bucks and i feel like i got a great deal.
The way you made these charts was great, love the layout! Makes it really clear.
was hoping you'd get this video made! thanks for doing it!
Adding so many comparisons really help me guide me throughout what i actually needed instead of guess. Amazing video guys and thanks
Another great benchmark by Hardware UnboX3D.
Seeing which games did better on which CPU was kind of fascinating. I think this is one of the best "for science" benchmark videos you've put out lately, not just for buying advice.
Seeing which games appeared to favor cache size, thread/core count, frequency, etc. in such an apples-to-apples comparison was really neat! I know the margins of difference were often small outside of "More VCache more better", but seeing a faster-clocked lower-core-count part beat the 5700X3d *most of the time* (but not all of the time!) really hammered home how little things make a difference when trying to squeeze out every inch of performance, and how you really can't win 'em all, any part choice will set you ahead in some games and behind in others. But still, trying to suss out the market and plan ahead makes building more exciting, IMO.
Anyway, thanks for your dedication to robust testing and giving us interesting comparisons. I don't know what I'd do to understand the gaming market without this channel, almost nothing is as clear and to the point for what can be some esoteric performance discussions otherwise. Much appreciated!!
Yeah, that is pretty much the result to be expected. Some want fast cores, some want many cores, some really like the cache.
Really glad I got the 5600x3d on a one day $156 sale
I just went from 3950X to 5800X3D this week(32GbC16+X570DarkHero+6900XT). In my limited testing its been 30-50% in most games. one in particular im playin a lot of atm is Starship Troopers. That went up around 60% in 1% lows. I was really debating if it was worth it. But sold my 3950x for $400 so the upgrade cost me $120 which was absolutely worth it.
6900XT is very well suited for 5x00x3d. Non-x3d wouldn't be enough to feed this GPU. So w/o changing the whole platform you couldn't achieve comparable uplift. 6900XT is one of the best examples where 5x00x3d shine.
$520 for a 5800X3D??
@@nonstickmeat AUD probably
@@nonstickmeat Yea he used USA dollar sign so yes he is saying he got ripped off on a 5800x3d instead of $280.00 to $320 he paid $520 and is very happy to be ripped off.
It's ridiculous that I was able to go through so many processors on my ASUS X370 CH with plenty of performance gains from each upgrade. 1600X->2600X($80@MicroC)->3600X->5600X->5700X3D. I'm still using the original boot SSD and GPU: 960 EVO 250GB and GTX 1080. Upgrading to an RTX 4070 Super and this should still last me several more years. That X370 board has been an amazing decision!
the jump from 5800x3d to 7800x3d is some impressive stuff
I went from a 3700x to a 5600x3D paired with a 3070. Well worth it. Also, bios update was huge for performance as well.
Thank you for the test! Unfortunately 5600X3D is not available in Poland, so I don't think I'll be switching from my 5600.
I don't think that moving to 5700X3D or 5800X3D makes sense as 7800X3D can be often bought for only about 100$ more, and at that point I would rather just switch platforms.
@@rustyclark2356 yeah, you can actually get very nice b650 that Steve recommended in his roundup last year for about 50$ cheaper than they were back then, at least in my country. I'm really starting to consider it, especially since DDR5 is much cheaper now as well.
Yep 7500F from Aliexpress for cheap too@@Eihei
Unless you're planning on playing at 120+ FPS there's really no point in upgrading the 5600. I did, but only because in some games that was exactly the case, I was a couple fps off in CPU demanding titles. Though honestly, it's just better to save that money and put it into AM5, cause as you said, it's only a bit more money, with the added bonus of having a new platform with tons on upgrade potential along the way
@@oskarniklas5061main reason to upgrade to x3d is better 1% low, also helps with mmo like new world or wow battlegrounds for removing stuttering, bf2042 also works good on x3d
@@oskarniklas5061 well, I'm definitely not upgrading any time soon, especially since I'm more bottlenecked by my RTX 3070 (and I use QHD monitor). I also unfortunately really enjoy how Raytracing looks, so I'm generally fucked.
I went from the 3600 to the 5800X3D on the B450 platform and that was quite the jump. Then I added 16gb more ram for 32gb. Then went to the b550 and grabbed a 32gb kit of 3600mt cl16 ddr4 and again, it made quite a difference. Now my housemate has my r5 3600 with 32gb of 3200mt ram on the b450 mobo and a 2060 and he's chuffed as.
Really appreciate you including the 3600 comparison, I'm still on that and was debating over upgrading. This comparison made me pull the trigger!
I've beeon on 5800X3D for more than a year and a half now, basically right after your review where you showed how it decimated everything in ACC and i've been extremely happy with it. It was stuck in a B450 motherboard up until a month ago when i upgraded to X570 and incredibly, gained on average about 6% more performance. How and why? Well basically i gained 200MHz of boost clocks. Previously it ran at stable 4350MHz, despite the Liquid Freezer II 360mm keeping it well into the 59-62°C range. Now on the new board it stays solid on 4550MHz and it certainly was a nice surprise. AMD really struck gold with the X3D CPUs.
i have a b350 and my VRMs don’t have a heatsink. Kinda worried to upgrade, ngl
@@chewbster the x3d cpus don't need much cooling even a wraith stock cooler works.
@@abraham9301 Check GN's benchmarks. X3D CPUs absolutely need extensive cooling because of how temperature sensitive the L3 cache is. The 5800X3D in particular is a much hotter CPU than the regular 5800X. The best cooling solution for X3D CPUs really is an AIO.
@@QuantumS1ngularityI see I got a dark rock pro 4 on my 5800x3d no issues currently.
Dear@@abraham9301,
chewbster talks about VRM cooling, not CPU cooling. ;) But yes, the 5800X 3D uses less the VRM, than the 1800X or 2700X for example.
Super grateful you put the Rysen 5 3600 on this graph 👍👍👍👍
Great video and saved me having to work anything out my end 👏 Ty for the hard work as always 🤜🤛
The AM4 platform sort of reminds me of AMD's long term use of the socket7 platform. Older platform, but supported long term with cpus that were still quite reasonable even in comparison to newer platforms. Coincidentally adding larger caches was something they utilized then too with k6-2+/k6-3/k6-3+ (along with 3rd level cache (with mobo cache becoming lv4)).
i remember being 15 and eyeing the k6-III while drooling over the K7s
To play devil's advocate, it reminds me of Intel's use of LGA775.
They kept the platform for a long time and had a lot of changes throughout. I have a board here that can run a 2.8 GHz single core Pentium 4 or a 4.2+ GHz Core 2 Quad on the same platform. 4 times the cores, 12 times the cache, with a 50% clock and 60% IPC improvement. Rarely do we see a single platforms where the fastest CPU is an order of magnitude faster than the slowest.
That is like going from a Ryzen 3 1200 to a Ryzen 9 5950X, except slightly more.
@@HappyBeezerStudios I dont completely disagree, but boards that support later s775 core2 based systems as well as s775 p4's are rare as hens teeth, whereas wide long-term support for socket 7 and am4 is the norm.
I'm into a few alternative type OSes where s775 is the highest end platform and gpu support end at gf5 fx, so I've spent over a decade slowly but surely incrementally upgrading it whenever I can squeeze a few more % out.
Its been a c2q 9650 @4.65ghz for many years, but mobos have changed, ram has changed, gpu has changed multiple times. All in an attempt to get the absolute best system possible for running Amithlon (sort of a hybrid emulator/AmigaOS3.9 running on bare metal type system where only the cpu is emulated).
Long story short I've spent a lot of time with s775 over the years.
Still hunting for a board with ago that supports later c2q boards, but I'm not holding my breath.
@@beezle1976 P35 is my suggestion. Fully compatible with 45nm chips (including LGA771 Xeons), but also 200 FSB Pentium 4 (but only unofficially. it's a bit like the Tualatin on i815 situation, not officially supported, but generally compatible)
I just wanted to thank you for adding the R5 3600. I don’t know if it was me who mentioned it, but this performance comparison is definitely what us gamers wanted to know. Thank you for the hard work!!
Do these X3D chips show any difference when not using flagship GPUs or are the differences only noticeable with flagship GPUs? I have a Ryzen 7 5800X paired with a Radeon RX 6800 XT. If I were to get an X3D CPU, will there be any noticeable difference in fps with the 6800XT?
With 4070 Super and regular 5700X, Watch Dogs Legion with RTX does not exceed 100 FPS on 1080P, so my guess (It pains me that it is so hard to find info on which pairs of CPU/GPU you are likely to be limited by which of the two since CPUs are tested with 4090) is that on anything lower tier than 4080 and with most games you will be usually GPU limited (unless you lower the graphics settings).
Depends on the resolution, refresh rate, and the game. You can find the answer easily enough by running the games you play and noting how often your GPU usage drops far below 100%. Make sure you also note the GPU clocks. You also shouldn't bother trying to render more frames than your refresh rate, as you'll do nothing but waste power and generate screen tearing.
It depends on your game. I moved from 5600 to 5800X3D recently and noticed improved framerates at 1440p using a 6800 XT in Hogwarts and Starfield but most improved are the frameTIMES (1% lows/framerate consistency) in both as well as in Minecraft at 32 chunks with shaders. Those are much appreciated and yes, all 3 are "broken" games when it comes to CPU use.
start task manager. If your GPU chart (3D) is over 95% while you play, you’re gpu limited. If it’s under 90% you could use a faster cpu.
I think people here underestimate their GPU bottlenecks and upgrade every generation. These comments are astounding to me
Great topic, upvoted to lift it higher in the comments section
The PC build I did for my GF has an AMD 3600, just picked up the 5700X3D for cheap off Ali Express, about AUD$220. Going to upgrade it this weekend! Thanks for the video helped me pick out a good upgrade without having to rebuild the whole Computer!
Can you put CS2 benchmark as well? It benefits from 3D-V Cache heavily in Source 2
Oh man I literally went from a 3600X to a 5800X3D yesterday the day before this video came out. Crazy coincidence, thanks for doing my testing for me guys, you're the best. I got a XFX 6950XT tho not a 4090. This video was awesome, keep it up
I cant understand why am4 is not recommended... I am stuck on i7-7700k and paying 320€ to go on 5700x3d with b550 (greek prices) is much more logical for me than spending 450-500 for am5 ddr5 system
As a 5800x 4090 owner. I’m leaning the direction of the Microcenter bundle for the 7800x3d/ram/mobo combo for like 469$ right now. I know the MOBO B650 gets mixed reviews on problems, but the price is almost unbeatable. I was planning on just getting the 5800x3d and maxing out AM4. But seeing those huge gains at the top of the charts makes it seem pointless.
My only hang up is I game at 4K@120 on a LG C1. So I know the difference is actually less than the 1080p charts here.
The fact that I only play games a few hours a month also makes me kinda content with where I’m at. The next AM5 CPUs will be out soon enough, that I may as well just wait and instead of spending $470 now for the 7800x3d see what the $500-$600 uplift is.
Great video as always. Love the channel. Keep it up.
I also have a 4090/ 7800x3d/ 64 gig of ddr5 ram build and I also have a 65 inch LG c1. I would say get the 7800x3d now. We don't know when the next chips are coming out and you shouldn't be worried about that anyway. Will there be a performance increase for the next generation of course but the 7800x3d will be more then enough. I limit all of my games to 120 fps but I do like to see how many frames I can get at 1080p, 1440p, and 4k at low, medium, and high settings then I limit the frames back to 120fps.
I was so waiting for a video like this from you guys. Thank you.
Steve I love you for including R5 3600 (my CPU)! Some of these is exactly my wet dream to put into my B450 Tomahawk MAX
I wish there are 1440p and 4k comparison so we know that what cpu dont matter on what resolution
They all matter on their 1% lows compared to non X3D parts.
I rather have 12 game average at 1080p than 6 game average across higher resolutions for a CPU test, these take a lot of time and effort to do.
They all matter when it comes to 0.1 and 1% lows. And matter even more for those choosing to lower settings when playing fps games.
The CPUs can simulate the same number of frames independent of resolution, so the numbers would be exactly the same unless the GPU causes slowdowns.
4k is entirely gpu bound unless you turn everything on ultra low
great video, thanks for including the 3600, 5600x, 7600x and 7800x3d
Upgraded from 3700x to a 5800x3d, the latter of which I bought on sale for around $270 USD. Even when primarily gaming at 4k, it significantly reduced perceived stutter, which I believe is numerically reflected in 1% lows. Well worth the money for me, as I play a lot of BG3 and so the extra CPU oomph was lovely.
Considering that the 5700x3d is pretty much identical, I suggest those with Ryzen 3000 or lower to upgrade to it as it's the same part but $50 cheaper. I guess penny pinchers can wait till it goes on flash sale for like ~$225 around black friday prices, but honestly I'd say it's worth to upgrade now if you're eyeing an x3d part for some time now.
Ram speed and latency to blame probably. X3d cache eliminates them. There were a couple of videos, where Steve showed how much memory latency matters for 1% lows on Zen 1 and 2.
I snagged the 5700x3d for 170€ today. Will be replacing my old 3800x . Hoping for better 1% lows .
Perfect video showcasing the older and newer alternatives. As someone that went from the 3600 to a 5800X3D this is a great video to reinforce my decision
I switched from 3600 to 5700X3D 2 days ago :)) Very nice update, also paired it with 32GB ram so i am fine 3-4 more years at least
What's your GPU ?
Same here just refresh my system went from 3600XT to 5800X3D and upgraded my memory from 16GB 3200mhz to 32GB 3600mhz probably gonna sit on this for same amount of time until full upgrade
@@LtCatscratch RX 6600
@@dal968 That's next lol
This was a very well presented comparison. The inclusion of the 3600 gave some reference to existing systems and the am5 parts show the jump to a new platform. The highlighting of parts you were discussing helped with following along with the comparisons
Got my 5800X3D about 16 months ago for ~$230 (~$290 including 25% VAT) in Sweden when a local store had a very good offer on them. I don't regret replacing my 5900x with the 5800X3D in my gaming system since most of the early access games I play really benefit from the v-cache.
Currently have a 3900x (in a X570 ROG Crosshair VIII Hero) and have been wondering about maybe getting a 5800X3D instead of doing a full system upgrade so I don't have to replace CPU/Mobo/RAM all in one go.
I no longer really need the CPU cores, the system is now mostly for gaming and content consumption.
I'm not doing video rendering/compute/VM stuff much anymore so other than the occasional edit for a TH-cam clip or video the extra cores/threads are not as needed.
Would certainly be cheaper.
EDIT: Should note GPU is 3090 and gaming at either 120Hz 3440x1440 or 60Hz 3840x2160 depending on if I want to play in UW or not.
Yes get the 5800x3d.
I understand that the player base for escape from Tarkov is pretty small, but we are extremely cpu limited. I really wish we could get included in cpu reviews, if not GPU reviews. 8(
It would be really cool to see EFT in benchmarks. X3D is pretty huge in EFT right?
Cause they need to show you high frames to keep selling these cpu's, or just people don't like to see low numbers of fps :D
Same situation for the millions of mmo players, cpu limit not gpu limit.
Tarkov player base small ? No way man .The cheaters are infinite . pyurologie makes good X3D EFT benchmarks BTW
@Daxaka88 are they even close to this level, though? I don't think so anyway.
Was looking for a video like this. Thank you. Very helpful.
I just bagged the 5700X (non-3D) for £159 here in the UK. A wee upgrade on my 4 year old 2700(non X)
Quite happy with that.
I went from a 2600x to that chip of yours...noticed a difference in muti tasking and video editing
That is still a very capable CPU, enjoy your upgrade
The 5700X is on my shortlist, but I will also test it on 125W just to see how well it does compared to a 5800X
I went from a 5700X to a 5700X3D. Seemed pointless to me at first, but i noticed the 1% lows skyrocketed. games like Forza are making good use of the cache and at one point on 1080p i saw my fps reach 165 without having to use DLSS. I am actually GPU bound now by my 4070 and kinda wish i had gotten a 7900 XT. I upgraded my school IT guy's rig and he is happy with the 5700X. it replaced his 3700X
@@Hamborger-wd5jg It is nice to know there's still another cheeky wee upgrade path left on this mobo and ram.
The AM4 platform has been the best CPU platform for the last decade. AM5 hasn't yet lived up to it, but I have little doubt it will eventually. Rumors of the Zen5 chips makes it look like that will be its big win.
Some time in a far away future I will have a 4090 and gaming on 1080p of course. Then I will upgrade to a X3D CPU 😁
Tbh i am tempted to upgrade my 8086k to one of these as would save me money on memory as could use my current one and i do not run games in very high resolution
OC'ed? Whats your RAM config?
Nah just stock, 2 16gb sticks I think the speeds are 3200mhz
@@EastyyBlogspot Since you already have 32GB of RAM with acceptable speed, I would recommend OCing the 8086k to at least 5.0GHz to get a ~15% performance boost. This may result in higher temperatures since the chip has thermalpaste between the DIE and the IHS. I think you can squeeze at least a year out of this platform. Upgrading to a AM4 is not recommended, only when you already have a Board or CPU lying around.
High resolution requires less cpu dave your money
next time, put up a caption
A = 5600x3d
B= 5700x3d
C= 5800x3d
then just mention A B or C as you go along.
ITS EASIER on the ear too
Hey. How about this cpus with a mid to low range gpu??
2:33
bruh
the amount of people that dont understand why cpu's are benched with a 4090 is astounding
On the other hand - I'm amazed how far down I've had to scroll this time to find the first comment of this sort. And it's a nice one for a change.
Seems like Steve including an explanation (again!) for why CPU testing is done with a high end GPU paid off.
@@jurpo6 The amount of people who don't understand that they won't get such a jump in performance with low and mid range GPUs is even more astounding.
Man I can always count you guys to drop a video on the exact topic I'm contemplating, exactly when I need it! My 5800X somehow fried itself so I'm using this as an opportunity to swap cases and deep clean. I don't want to upgrade to AM5 cause I don't want to pay for a new mobo or DDR5 ram just yet, so I'm considering the 5800X3D and 5900X since they're both on sale right now. I mainly use my PC for gaming and casual use like youtube and discord. Sometimes I think about getting into video editing, but I haven't yet and mostly use it for gaming. With that in mind, should I go for the 5800X3D on sale right now for $359 or the 5900X, which is on sale for $299 right now? For reference, I'm on a 3080 and 32gb of ram at 1440p.
I would get the 5800x3d.
@@MrAnimescrazy That's what I'm leaning towards too. It seems like the 5800X3D is still plenty capable for productivity tasks, just not as fast as the 5800X or 5900X, and I'm okay with that since I don't do any of those at a professional level or anything
@@CargoShorts7 sounds good.
I have seen a small but measurable improvement in fps when I disable SMT on my 5800x3d vs my 5800x. (at least in the titles I'm playing at the moment.) After some googleing around, the strongest hypothesis for this discrepancy is that the extra L3 afforded by X3d closes the CPU pipeline bubble issue to keep the ALU and FPU fed with data in a timely fashion, something that SMT is a tradeoff design feature to address keeping the CPU pipeline fed with data to avoid what is called pipeline bubbles at the expense of latency. Some other minor tech tubers have anecdotal testing on 7800x3d that show similar results as mine on other titles. My tests show the Linpack takes decent hit in performance with SMT disabled on a 5800x whereas on my 5800x3d the performance is identical. (The hypothesis is that the L3 cache is able to keep the pipeline properly fed.) On poorly optimized and light multi-threaded workloads, such as the multi treaded bench in CPU-Z, SMT still sees an advantage on both CPUs. Zen3 was the first AMD architecture to feature real "zero bubble" pipeline optimizations where Zen2, and prior, did not. This may explain why Intel's next CPU uarch does not feature SMT as other CPU architectures, ARM et al, are also featuring zero bubble pipeline and branch predictor advancements that address the issue of parallelism and pipeline bubbles more efficiently than SMT, which was originally designed to address both as a HW & OS scheduler hack of sorts.
Very interesting post, thanks for this I enjoyed the read
Would I need to disable SMT in bios for my 5800x3d, or would simply using something like process lasso be enough?
Great post! Gave me something to look into for my own system.
@@MultiZymethSKyou'd likely need to disable it for the full effect. Process lasso is useful but in this case it's a half-measure
Currently running a Ryzen 5 3600 and an RTX 3060ti at 1080p and wanna make the switch to 1440p, so this was really useful. Thanks, Steve!
What about CS2?
What I can see is that gaming is still not past 6 cores.
The 5600X3D seems to be really great value for it's price, but the fact that we have region-locked hardware is a bad thing.
Was Jedi Survivor with RT on or off? I’ve gotten averages of 150fps with my 5800X3D at 1440p DLSS Quality with a 3080.
It says 1080p Epic. That’s the tested settings. No DLSS.
@@cm6gaming259 so how come my 3080 gets higher fps? Perhaps he's testing in Coruscant
I myself have an R7-5800X3D but what is really shocking to me is how the R5-3600X, a CPU that I upgraded from years ago, is still holding up really well with almost every game easily running above 60FPS. That's just amazing to me.
How about paired with a little weaker GPU like 7900xt or xtx?
7900xt(x) is not a weak gpu by any means. If you are upgrading from Ryzen3000-series or older, there is no point in going with anything less than 5700x3d or straight to AM5 with that GPU...
You will still see performance improvements, it's a powerful gpu unless you want to turn on raytracing.
@@MrReivn Yes 7900 series are weak compared to 4090 series.
7900xtx aint weak what do you mean? lol its on par with 4090 in price per performance of rasterization.
5600x3d is probably all you need if you have something like a 3060ti
Thank you for including 5600X, I was debating between upgrading to 7600 or 5800X3d, decided in the favor of the latter as it is a drop in upgrade while I can recoup 1/3ish of the cost with sale of 5600X.
No PBO2 tuning on the 5700X3D again :(
Atleast one of the outlets should quickly point it out...right? Because the only difference is the clockspeeds.
Steve always tests out of the box
You don't need to tune anything. my 5800X3D works well at stock settings out of the box............
@@madscientist6843 i know, but still a seperate piece could be nice...
You can use PBO2 tuner in windows to alter CO values, and with an external clockgen you can OC these chips as far as cooling and ~1.25v max load will take you. My 5800x3d is at 102 bclk with -25 CO all core and runs like a dream
You can't increase the clockspeeds on X3D ccd's using pbo2, and the power limits are already higher than the chip can reach at stock.
Prima, toller Test. Genau das habe ich gebraucht. Danke. 👌👍
Whoever does your B-roll deserves a raise.
I rate this comment ;)
Fyi, the guy above me is who makes the HW Unboxed B-rolls.
Thank you for this video. The charts you shared were perfect. They focused on the areas of concern for people considering upgrading - which processor, how much performance, and what if I went AM5. I have a AM4 5600x and was thinking about dropping in one of these X3D chips for future proofing the platform. Now I know that it really isn’t a great idea.
why not drop one in years later when they’re cheaper? The charts show it’s equivalent to a 7600 .. good but not great 😊
I´m on the same boat, I won´t be spending more money on an old platform. My B450 motherboard is only PCI 3.0 with a 5600x, it works fine with my 4070 but a more powerful GPU would struggle. I´m better saving my money for AM5 with ryzen 8000 later this year.
@@gabrielvarela5 looking forward to a video where they show a meaningful improvement over PCI3 to PCIE4 or 5
when will all ryzen get X3D natively ?
you also need hardware like that, not all ryzens have x3d design
Pretty much never, product segmentation
I could see it becoming the mainstream option but for productivity prob not worth it for the price
Probably never. Atm, adding V-cache means a reduction in clocks. It's all well and good for strictly gaming. But, for production purposes having the higher clocks is preferable.
It also gives AMD a reason to sell more sku's and price the X3D variants at a premium. I'd love for every cpu to have V-cache and run >6ghz. In the forseeable future it's either or.
Great Review, but is there any difference when gaming at 1440p or 4k, does the scale transfer to higher resolutions?? I know that's typically a GPU component, but I believe some games fare differently in CPUs used and at certain resolutions? or am I just off/wrong?
No you are not wrong.
Thumbnail has the 5700x3d and 5800x3d in the wrong place
I loved this video. And I know I'm a nag to ask, but could you do same tests for 1440p and 4k???
So the 5600X3d is a beast.
Between a 5800x and 5800X3D, is the gap as big as shown in the video on higher resolution? I'm playing on a 34" (3440x1440) and I'm curious if upgrading would give such boost shown in the video?
Look at comparisons on TH-cam but there is a difference.
I would love the same comparison but done with a 6800xt class graphic card, to understand if for a more affordable gpu that cpu power is needed or not
I dropped a 5600X3D in my five year old's first PC (basically a glorified Minecraft box). It's a beast for his needs and the price was impossible to pass up when bundled with a motherboard and RAM. It really is a great buy.
Thank you so much for still considering the Ryzen 5 3600 for reference in your video because this would be from my potential upgrade path.
This was literally the perfect video for me! Thanks for all the hard work and benchmarking of old hardware so that I know the best upgrade path the next time I visit a micro center
Appreciate the inclusion of the r5 3600 and 7800x3d/7600x!!!! :)
I was able to snag a 5600X3D for $157 at microcenter. Upgraded from my old 3700x and kept the same prism cooler. All in all spent like $75 on a massive gaming upgrade with my 3080ti for 1080p ultra high fps gaming. Couldnt be happier with the results.
This long term socket/platform support has been a major win for everyone who got on AM4. My next buy will be AMD for many reasons, and this is one of the main ones.
Nice Job on the review you are the first to do all three chips.
Thanks so much for this video. I have been hoping you would do a video like this.
will the 5800x3d make a difference in general windows and browsing compared to a 3600?
and would i see a difference with an rx 6600?
I think that was a really nice summary of what core count, clock speed, memory speed(with am5) and large cache does for gaming. You had the whole spread of data nicely summed up. 👌
would love to see a 1600 and 1700x just as a hilarious no-new-board upgrade for those still on Zen1 :) thanks Steve!
Great comparison video and good choice of cpus that are being compared here. I picked up the 5800X3D when it dropped to around 270€ a few months ago, here in germany and apparently it was a pretty good choice, seeing your video. Thanks for always providing this high level of quality in your testing.
You guys read my mind. I was recently looking for this very comparison a couple weeks ago.
It still baffles me that people complain about using a 4090 in a CPU benchmark because it's not "realistic". These people have no comprehension of fifth-grade science concepts.
It is due to bottlenecks and limitations. If you are baffled it is because they didn't note to explain bottlenecks or why since it's not baffling at all. Only if this was listed "what CPU does a 4090 need. This is a great test, I wish I could view it compared to the identical test using a 4080 or 4060 and lesser gpu given in the case of a 4080 the percentage gains from the am4 vs am5 equivalent cpus x series and x3d are half that of the 4090's results "especially with the 7800x3d
I am glad to see in this test they prove how much you are losing if running a 4090 on lesser cpus being that you could buy a 4080/7900xtx and an am5 board/7800x3d cpu for the same price as a 4090 and likely get better performance than the am4/4090 combos listed. If someone had a 3080ti or 3090 already they would be less likely to see this huge jump with the 7800x3d and a better representation of expected gains on the 3080/90 or 4070/80 as well as their 6800/6900/7700/7800/7900 competition....Even the lower 3060/4060 5700xt/6600/7600 and 6700 serieswhich all place similar.
You are a mad scientist OP. Thanks. I also had a thought that you might do well to include the percentage differences between the x3d and the non-x3d models. I know you said them in the voice dialogue, but some people might also like to see the number on the graph itself. Cheers!
and cost per frame
I was a bit surprised by how close these are in performance. All in all, banger gaming CPUs from AMD! Rocking a 5800X3D, but wishing I paid current prices. ;)
Yeah! Even the non-X variants were close too.