I can't stop thinking about the "crazy" part. What does it mean? Are they implying that Ursula was the "sane" one in the family? Or do they have another sane sister, so this one is "the crazy one"? I have to know Disney!! Give me Ursula's family tree!
“no matter what, some adult is dating some child in lady and the tramp 2: scamps adventure” is a hell of a sentence to wake up to after passing out to a chunk of this
@@TemmiePlays if we were talking about real life dogs, I would agree with you, but these are fictional, sapient dogs created by a team of human writers who made the specific choice to include an adult/child relationship
Seems like some misogyny to me: the love interest is both young enough to get along with the the puppy and "mature enough" to date the adult dog. The writers didn't bother to consider if she was an adult or a puppy, only that she was "female"
@@WickedKatze I haven't seen the movie, but based on the clips Scamp seems "coming of age" age, which is like 14-15, so as long as the girl is like 17 and the doberman is no older than 21, its really not that bad.
What they said. Also Gilbert went on to be one of my favorite TV characters of all time, Digit from Cyberchase, also known as comic relief bird character 😂
Cinderella 3 has the single best Disney clip ever made. King: “I forbid you to take ONE MORE STEP down these stairs!” Charming: “… Okay” _Jumps out the window next to him_
Tbf the love interest in the Notre Dame sequel is one of the very few people that isn't immediately repulsed by the hunchback. If I spent my life being verbally abused and someone came up to me making dad jokes I'd probably breakdown crying.
The first movie had a major tone problem that marred the moments where it totally nailed its heavy plot points. The sequel knows *exactly* what it’s about.
Honestly, I think someone who actually went through that would be shocked or confused by kindness towards them. They'd probably be distrusting and think it's some ploy to get something out of them. It's possible that kindness would be perceived as an attack and the recipient would reject them
Trust me, it only gets funnier when you've seen Tim Curry simultaneously voice his OWN Beast on Stories from My Childhood, a limited series of English-dubbed Russian cartoons that ran in 1998 (called Beauty & the Beast: The Tale of the Crimson Flower). Not only is it a testament to his immense talent, that he can play LITERAL polar opposite characters back-to-back and excel at both (his version of the Beast is one of my favorite depictions thus far), but it makes his anti-love campaign as Forte all the more hilariously (and unintentionally) ironic. 😆😉🌹 Example: Tim Curry as Forte during his villain song: 🎵"It's BLISS, to be alone!" 🎵 Tim Curry as the Beast to Stephen, the father of Anastasia (the Beauty): "I can live in loneliness no longer." (Followed up by seven other varied utterances of his crippling loneliness throughout the story. No joke, I counted).
@@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose I know you wrote this forever ago but I searched for it and someone uploaded it on TH-cam! Thank you for this experience. Haha
I interpret the Wendi “I haven’t really changed” line completely differently. I think it just means that she hasn’t lost a childhood sense of wonder or kindness just because she’s also matured and grown up. It’s not that she hasn’t literally changed in meaningful and important ways but that the important things about her that their friendship were built upon aren’t gone and she’s still the same person Peter Pan became friends with.
The most hilarious thing to me about The Little Mermaid sequel is that Sebastian says 'Ursula's crazy sister! ', which seems to me that he's implying that he didn't think Ursula was crazy.
is ursala really that crazy? she was cast out by triton just for practicing withcraft, if that happened to me id try and overthrow the throne too Edit: nvm I was high
@@420Kleiner I was reading your comment and thinking, “Mmm. Well, I kinda get what you’re saying.” Then I got to your edit and started dying laughing. I am _not_ high, so idk what to make of that.
@@chasescorner2902 Shockingly, I tried watching this movie recently and I can still recite nearly every word for word lol Little mermaid 2 was one of my absolute favorite disney movies when I was younger, but as a teen then adult, I was infactuated with horror movies.
Mulan would understand the nuances of a political marriage. She was vying for an arrangement in the beginning to honor her family. I think it'd be a better movie if SHANG was the one that was uneasy with the concept. Shang did think less of Mulan as a misogynist, so did the other guys it'd be more meaningful if he was the one who now, even presented by dainty and obedient princesses, is concerned for their autonomy. It would both show us his growth, and give us an interesting arc. I'm not sure how you'd fully justify either of them thinking that Defecting on a mission that would avoid a war though. The ending is goofy, though that bit about Mulan taking the place of the princesses was good.
Right? Hell, imagine Mulan actually being the voice in favor of the arranged marriage, not because she thinks it's some inherently good thing, but because it's *practical*. They've both been to war, like hell Mulan's going to let anyone else go through what she and Shang both did, or let any other villages get burned down like that one she and her comrades saw.
This is a great idea, but it's also a very 2010's 2020's idea. 2004 wasn't ready for a Disney film with even that level of nuance about feminism (women enforcing it, men also being trapped into marriages they aren't happy with ect.). Hell, I don't think Disney is even ready for that now. But damn if this comment doesn't make me want a feminist historical fiction inspired by Mulan (all versions) and Mulan 2 (Disney's) but aimed at adults. Complete with foot binding and all the other horrors of being a woman in that culture and time included. Preferably aimed at a Chinese audience but including a cultural explanation voice over so I (an ethically and culturally british gal) don't miss the all nuance. They could even include a subplot about Mulan being used as a propaganda tool to get men to enlist to reference the original stories purpose.
@Albinojackrussel Idk, the original Mulan was already ahead on this aspect. The idea that they sing a song about a "girl worth fighting for" thinking of wives who will serve them, then the song stops to reveal a destroyed village, where Mulan picks up a doll reminding us of the little girl in the beginning. That shit was WILD for a movie in its time, acknowledging not only the aggressive sexism of a man like the Emperor's advisor or whatever that dude is, but also the passive misogyny of protecting a woman for what she provides, ignoring the inherent value of her as a person even when she isn't a romantic possibility. I think someone who truly loved Mulan, and understood it, could have arrived at this theme even in the early 2000s when this sequel was made given the leap of progressiveness they were capable of when writing the original. It's plausible. It's also plausible I read into it too much and it was incidental that sequence went as it did 😂😂😂
maybe if they'd actually shown the men they were supposed to be marrying and depcited them as kinda scummy? that'd be a decent reason to be like "okay, this shouldn't go ahead"
My favourite thing about the Hunchback sequel is that it actually makes a lot of sense that Quasimodo, after the drama of saving a girl from being burned at the stake by a horny old man who also killed his mother, really just wants an average girl to vibe with.
I love every time he does really in depth about a particular movie he likes and then in the next sentence is talking about some other random garbage movie.
More creators should feel no obligation to give creative diarrhea the time for exposition. This is the kind of analysis served sloppy-style that is deserved
I also like how many times he says self contradicting statements about how this movie is the worst, this is the best, this is the only S tier, this is the only Disney sequel that justifies its existence, etc etc when I'm pretty sure he's said that before, possibly multiple times
It honestly feels like he started ranting at one of his friends about this, stopped midsentence and said 'Wait,.should I be filming this? I should film this.' and just left his friend standing there without another word, for them to resume their life.
as a hunchback of notre dame 2 stan/scholar i can't believe you left out how the giant bell is beautiful on the INSIDE as one of the great hunchback of notre dame 2 moments
Never saw the movie, did see the design in this video. Jewels inside a bell, bell would destroy the hell out of those and would sound like shit. 10/10 perfect metaphor
@@CHUCKLZLORD it’s the normal expectations and requirements of everyday life that will ultimately destroy the beauty within us all. And we all sound like shit. 😌
Quasimodo not getting the girl is well-considered in the og film. The first positive relationship he ever has is with Esmeralda - that’s not a healthy place to begin a relationship of equals. The films deliberately contrasts how he and Frollo vies Esmeralda - one sees her as a temptress devil, the other as a heavenly angel. Neither is her. Only Phoebus operates on her level and can ‘spar’ with her, literally. At a key moment, Frollo tells Esmeralda to love him or burn. Quasi, on the other hand, relinquishes his jealousy of Phoebus and saves Esmeralda with no expectation of romance. The end of the film focuses on him joining hr people of Paris as one of them, accepted as an equal. Too many films offer women up as a means to ‘save’ men through romantic relationships. Or to give value to men who are otherwise ‘not valuable’. Getting the girl would’ve just reinforced that for Quasi. Instead, his growing maturity and compassion earned him acceptance and a rebirth of his very own. That’s so much better than a romance.
Yeah, totally agree. Esmerelda wasn't looking for a guy, she just wanted to be free. Letting her go was good writing. The girl from the sequel on the other had was very much shopping for a boyfriend.
I agree that it was the right way to go, but I also agree with Big Joel, if Quasimodo was an outcast for soley being a gypsy or something instead I don't imagine Disney would have went that route.
I absolutely 100% agree with this take, but I also understand, and hell, even agree with the disappointment of the ugly, disabled character not finding love. It isn't really something that happens particularly often in fiction so to see it not happen from the *one* company that really loves pairing up their protagonists ...? yeah, it does sting a wee bit. ultimately a good decision they didn't pair up quasi with esme, but still one that makes me go "huh, yeah, so when *will* they just let the ugly dude get the girl?" (or ugly girl get the guy, etc. etc.)
looks like he is one 'letter from the wife bearing bad news' away from digging up the crate of whisky he buried on the island.... somewhere... if he can just remember where...
I'm so glad Joel latched on to the "Ursula's Crazy Sister" line because its been seared in my brain for over a decade. I laughed so hard during the hunchback 2 portion of the video
It's stuck in my head too but I can't figure out why. Is it because it's exposition basically saying: "Sudden 2nd ursula! She's like ursula but crazy and we only remembered her just now! That's what we're doing this movie!"
@@codyxvasco592 that's exactly it! It's somehow both the laziest and most efficient explanation of a character ever. Also, I have to wonder, if she's Ursula's crazy sister, then do they consider Ursula to be....sane? Sea witch Ursula? Whole garden of condemned souls Ursula? She was the normal one in the family?
@Will N Its really sad that Mozenwrath's voice actor unalived himself. I always enjoyed the character when I watched the old Aladdin TV series as a child, and made an effort to watch the ones that he was in.
"Can you just talk to the bear please? Can you just communicate with the bear for 5 seconds? You can talk to bears in this movie." is a fantastic line, and I think it should be mandatory in any movie in which you can, in fact, talk to bears.
I 100%, no joke, owe my current career to Lion King 1 1/2. The special features on the DVD featured a “virtual safari” where you got in a little wildebeest ride vehicle and went through the story of the lion king as a theme park ride, except things went wrong. I vividly remember a scene where you enter a dark room and hear the hyenas laughing and see their eyes in the dark, then the work lights blink on and you see the eyes are just lights on sticks. I thought that was the coolest thing. Anyways, I work in lighting in themed entertainment now.
that sounds like the exact opposite of one of my favorite scary-movie tropes, which is when you get just a split-second glance of the monster or scary thing before being left in the dark with that knowledge
In these dark times Medium Joel is the only one brave enough to stand up and racpill the world on the FACTS the mainstream media doesn't want you to hear.
The biggest issue I have with Ralph Breaks the Internet is that it completely disregards the premise of "going Turbo" and the dangers associated with any game that has that happen. It was treated as terrifying to the NPCs of Fix It Felix Jr. when it was assumed that Ralph was abandoning his game, but Vanellopes' decision is applauded and everybody is just happy for her. WTF?!
I will give the writers this- Ralph's game absolutely cannot work without him, but Sugar Rush still has like twelve other racers. People would notice her missing but they can just use someone else like they did before Ralph helped her defeat King Candy. But without Ralph, nothing gets wrecked. This IS explained in the sequel and makes sense, although I think the premise is bad from the ground up partly because it feels like an emotional retcon even if it technically makes sense so I will not defend it beyond that
The game surviving without her isn't the point. The point is, they're all completely indifferent to her dying. It says several times, "if you die outside your own game, you don't revive." So one death in her new game, and she's permanently dead. This was the entire emotional climax of the original movie, as Ralph was willing to face permanent death outside his game to get Vanellope to safety. Now we're supposed to forget about all that? The rules for the universe and thus the attitudes of the characters have instantly completely changed with no explanation. If Vanellope dies permanently, who cares, apparently.
@@bluedistortionsGoddammit that could've been used to actually validate Ralph's anxieties. Imagine finding out that your little sister or niece or whatever was considering running away to an extremely violent area where she could be permanently wiped from existence as opposed to staying in a perfectly safe sugar heaven that she's become bored of. It's not groundbreaking... but it's better than "This little girl belongs to me so I will break this game."
Ralph’s life in Wreck-it Ralph 1 was fucking miserable and when people invoked Turbo, they were essentially saying it was selfish to want a better life because this one guy did a bad thing years ago At the end, everyone understands why he left, they let all the neglected homeless guys into Ralph’s game and the real Turbo dies. So I guess ppl are slightly more lax about people following their dreams Don’t get me wrong though this movie fuckin blows
It’s pretty hilarious now that I realize brother bear 2 just wanted to do a shrek but didn’t realize the fact that “fairytale ogre” and “literal bear” are not interchangeable
I always thought Mowgli could talk to animals because he was raised by animals and learned they're language. And them speaking English is just to convey that Mowgli understands them in a way that we can also understand them.
Ok, for Brother Bear 2, I feel like it’s important to be familiar with Native American/First Nations/Alaska Native stories to understand the marrying a bear thing. In the Long Ago time, animals were people and had interactions with humans as any human to another human would have. Animals had their own clans and villages, but with different powers specific to their species. So a human lady marrying a bear and then becoming one is not that weird in that context, as there are a lot of stories of similar stuff happening. It’s less about finding bears attractive as it is more loving each other and the bear thing is a non-issue.
I mean, the bear clan aspect is pretty specific, but isn’t Inter species relationships (often in a highly metaphorical sense) pretty universal in folklore? Animal wife is my favorite trope of all time (specifically, your wife has been a walrus this whole time aaaaand it’s time for her to go home)
This video is insane it's so surreal and incomprehensible. What is happening. it's perfect. no sequel review sounds like any other it feels like every one gives the exact feeling of watching the movie in distilled form. It really does feel like you have watched all of these disney sequels and you've become one with them. are you okay. thank you.
The "Tarzan and Jane" transition makes me laugh; his only comment about it was a ridiculously funny scene of Tarzan collecting diamonds for greedy miners, and then saying a blank black screen was his favorite scene from the movie.
Mulan in Mulan II: "But in my time, arranged marriage is illegal and looked down upon." Emperor: "Is that so? Magnifico! That's wonderful! I'm glad humanity has reached such a state. But you said you're from 1000 years in the future? Before you judge, consider the circumstances."
With just a small change they could have totally salvaged the idea! Just make Mulan's opposition to the practice something she recognizes is out of step with society - a personal conviction based on her own bad experience with matchmaking. Show her trying to be ok with it, trying to "do the right thing" by facilitating it, while watching the princesses and her soldier friends fall in love. Push on that conflict between duty/what society says is right and what your own morals say are right until it cracks, and Mulan "suddenly" turns outlaw, shepherding the three new couples to the only place they might be able to escape the Emperor's grasp: Mongolia.
"a lilo and stitch movie is good, proportionnal to how much lilo it has" truer words have never been spoken I love lilo and stitch, myself, but I have to agree that lilo is the reason you care about stitch
@@Schemilix you hadn't met my childhood cat Mimi before her murder, clearly. She loved hiding in the car and taking over the dashboard at the least convenient times.
@@IanDresarie I'm sorry Mimi died, though I have to say with the context, i briefly thought she commited a murder of a human and did time for it so you haven't seen her since...
56:10 fun fact, Pomp and Circumstance was used at the specific request of Michael Eisner, because he cried at his son's graduation. He originally wanted to make the short about all of the Disney princes and princesses walking down the line and showing off their kids. really. Animators all hated Pomp and Circumstance, and so when Eisner said "well it has to go somewhere!", they decided to pair it with their least favorite short idea.
Who is craving like the review of JUST the Cinderella sequels and is sitting here like "Goddammit Joel, you seriously not gonna give me the timestamps so I don't have to sit through all this BS?!"
Lion King 2: Simbas Pride includes arguably the best song in a Disney sequel: "Not One of Us". If you ever felt like an outcast yourself, that one hits differently.
Oh yeah, that song slaps. Lullaby is also a dark banger, and Zira has always terrified me more than Scar. The power of hate hits harder than the power of envy.
Omg right? I was only listening to the audio of this at work and I had to keep doing a doubletake. And every movie "review" was totally different in length so I could never tell when one was even close to being over lololol
Fake Big Joelcels seething. A true Big Joel stan like me picked up on the subtle nuances of his commentary and inflections so I could usually tell when he transitioned from one topic to another.
Another odd thing about Cinderella 2 is that in every version of the story as far as I recall, her father is either a nobleman or a wealthy merchant. She spends several years forced to live as a servant by her evil stepmother, but she was born into wealth. She wouldn't be totally alienated by the behavior of the nobility even if she happened to disagree with it, but in this movie she's acting like a peasant who married into royalty.
Joel looks like he finally regained consciousness from a 3 day acid trip and this video is the recording of him recounting his visions like a ancient prophet
You're right about the unmistakable vibe of Atlantis 2. It's not actually a promo for a TV show - it's the scrapped carcass of one! They started making the show, the original movie never quite performed, and they decided they'd slightly restructure and finish up the first three episodes and call it a sequel, so they could get at least SOME money out of their investment in the show. The rough edges are obvious and messy and exactly the kind of disaster you'd expect from its production story.
The scrapped TV show was to be titled _Team Atlantis._ Among the episodes scripted and voiced (but not animated) is a _Gargoyles_ crossover, with Marina Sirtis reprising her role as Demona.
@@davidlevy706 I hadn't heard about that! That's hilarious, and as a fan of both franchises, I'm sad we all missed out on something that would have been equal parts glorious and freaking goofy.
In a more perfect world, an Atlantis TV series would be a great opportunity to tell stories from different mythologies and expose kids to different cultures and their histories. However, I think that if the series happend in reality, the actual Disney would not have delt with the premise with the care and tact it would need to not turn into a cringefest though.
@@lunarialoonatic It literally doesn't go against the wedding. It comes between the movie and the wedding short film, so it's more about the adventures that happen after the film ends but before they fully get hitched.
As someone who's seen (admittedly only the first season of) the cartoon it's not really like that, I think. Her dad bans her from leaving the kingdom out of fear for her safety- he's ultimately portrayed as misguided, but understandable. He's already lost her once and basically just got her back. He's not evil, he's scared. Also, the kingdom is pretty small, but "don't leave the country without my knowledge and permission" isn't that unreasonable of a request? Like, she's only 18. She travels within the kingdom on her own all the time in season one, too.
What do you mean "Aladdin is innocent"? He's married to the Sultan's daughter and he does nothing to help the poor! He's like the epitome of a class traitor.
@@alexbennet4195 how many times have cops stopped a murder or rape or theft _before_ it happened? They have no problem punishing people _after_ the fact (unless the perpatrator was a fellow cop), but the Supreme Court ruled back in 2006, I think, that it is literally not their job to protect people. They certainly enforce rules... for _some._
@@Silburific idk, don’t quote me on this, but I think there *might* have been a few occasions where people in danger of violence have used their mobile phones to call the police and, as a result… were saved from that violent threat? If that’s right your Supreme Court sounds absolutely wack tho (like wtf), but in most countries the explicit purpose of the police is (supposed to be) to serve and… literally “protect”??
Just from the clips shown here, i think the reason the banter between quasimodo and his gf works is because the voice actor for the gf is absolutely nailing it. Just hearing her laugh makes me smile.
That’s Jennifer love Hewitt! She was my first crush as a kid lol and the only reason why little me watched it. She also did voice work in Tom Thumb and adult me still finds her fine af
The banter between her and Quasimodo also works I think because you don't expect Quasi to have a traditional romance or get all poetic or anything. He's having a crush, and she is too because she's been sheltered, and awkward conversation with giggles feels plausible for the two of them. Its pure puppy love. It's one of the few things I think that movie got right.
I always felt like the short is fine, and pomp and circunstance is great, but together they just kind of become something highly dissonant, and they definetively needed some work around.
I think it's fine that Quasimodo didn't end up with Esmeralda at the end of the first Notre Dame film. His conflict was never "I want to be loved by a woman", it was "I want to be accepted by other people, at least for a day." And in pursuing that goal, he not only gets accepted by the public but learns to love himself by the end of the film. And now that he loves himself, he's ready to be in a romantic relationship in the sequel. I find that beautiful. Also, I love the dialogue between Quasi and Madellaine. It reminds me of the silly things me and my girlfriend say to each other to makes each other laugh.
I agree that it's fine in the context of the movie, in fact from that perspectice it's good even. Quasimodo directly contrasts with Frollo, who feels entitled to Esmeralda's love. It's great. But looking at the whole Disney catalogue it is suspicious that for their one disabled character they had to write it in a way where he doesn't get a romantic partner at the end.
@@petermazug7704in the original story Esmeralda is in love with Cpt. Phoebus, that's probably why, although I can't REALLY speak as to why THoND doesn't follow the traditional Disney method
The abrupt transitions make me feel like I'm seeing many Little Joels standing on each other's shoulders within a trenchcoat to pretend to be a Big Joel (who is also Mrs. Kronk).
I think the Peter Pan 2 line about how Wendy hasn't really changed after growing up is meant to reassure Peter that he doesn't have to be afraid of aging, that he can hold onto the most important/meaningful parts of youth without maintaining youth as your physical state, and I dig it.
Yeah, I've never seen the film but in the book when he sees the adult Wendy it is kind of melancholy and he's a bit of a dick TBH, it's cool they included that
Regarding the lines: “You’ve changed” “Not really” I don’t think we’re meant to interpret that as “Wendy literally telling Peter Pan she didn’t grow and change as a person,” but rather, she is reassuring him that she’s still fond of him and the memories they shared. (Edited for grammar and clarity)
Looking at it now (I haven't seen the movie since it came out), my thought was that people don't usually feel like they've changed, it's usually external observation
I assumed it was she's grown but she is still a child at heart Like that Walt quote that goes something like "I don't make movies for children I make movies for the child inside all of us be they 6 or 60" Like she still believes in happiness, dreams, magic and stuff
I’m not sure the scene with Wendy and Peter was supposed to be her “placating” him. I think she meant that at her core, she was still fundamentally the same, even if she’s grown up. A caring, kind, responsible, and hopeful woman, just as she was in her youth, even if she has a different outlook and responsibilities in life.
27:40 "It's a movie with 15 minutes of absolute perfection, and the rest of it just exists to haunt you." Basically described 90% of all things that feature Tim Curry.
Hmmm... It, Muppet Treasure Island, Fern Gully, The Worst Witch, Red Alert 3, Scary Movie 2, Terry Pratchett's The Colour of Magic... I really think you're onto something
There are some exceptions. Darkwing Duck is one of them. Tim Curry was only in 2 episodes, and they're awesome, but the show itself is also great. With a few minor episodes that suck.
Disney is a bunch of cowards for not doing the actual 101 Dalmatians sequel, which is about dogs becoming sentient after humanity wipes itself out, and then they fight aliens in another dimension... or something. I don't remember the particulars, but it's absolutely insane what that author thought a sequel to a book about two dogs and a bunch of puppies should be about.
0:22 - Atlantis: Milo's Return 2:16 - The Lion King 1½ 3:13 - The Little Mermaid: Ariel's Beginning 5:17 - 101 Dalmatians II: Patch's London Adventure 7:35 - Bambi II 10:36 - Return to Never Land 13:05 - Mulan II 16:18 - Pocahontas II: Journey to a New World 19:24 - The Fox and the Hound 2 20:37 - An Extremely Goofy Movie 24:04 - Tarzan & Jane 24:25 - Beauty and the Beast: The Enchanted Christmas 28:01 - The Little Mermaid II: Return to the Sea 29:13 - The Hunchback of Notre Dame II 32:10 - Kronk's New Groove 33:26 - Tangled: Before Ever After 34:04 - Ralph Breaks the Internet 38:45 - The Jungle Book 2 39:42 - Cinderella II: Dreams Come True 42:56 - Brother Bear 2 44:24 - Lady and the Tramp II: Scamp's Adventure 47:10 - Cinderella III: A Twist in Time 49:49 - Frozen 2 50:09 - The Return of Jafar 51:41 - Aladdin and the King of Thieves 52:07 - Fantasia 2000 59:58 - The Rescuers Down Under 1:01:47 - Belle's Magical World 1:04:51 - The Lion King II: Simba's Pride 1:05:25 - Hercules: Zero to Hero 1:06:51 - Lilo & Stitch 2: Stitch Has a Glitch 1:08:06 - Stitch: The Movie 1:08:27 - Leroy & Stitch 1:09:31 - Tarzan 2
I have had several animation professors who worked on the late 90s/early 2000s sequels at the production studio “Character Animator” in Columbus, Ohio which unfortunately no longer exists. So I naturally have an affinity and weird desire to defend these god awful movies whenever they are brought up. Ultimately a lot of these sequels at the time were produced with a completely different pipeline than their theatrical releases- they were shipped out to dozens of third party studios and just cranked out with super limited guidance from Disney. But these movies were not made in a bubble, most artists understand the cards dealt to them and try their hardest to sneak the best work they can in the time constraints they have!
yeah, the animation in some of them is pretty nice, if they were able to do their own thing instead of having to imitate movies with 4x the budget, I think those same artists would have done really amazing work. They did have fairly large dedicated studios in Australia, Paris, and Japan. Although now I as I understand it, something like Disenchanted is a totally scattered production
genuinely surprised to learn that folks saw Ralph as Vanellope's father figure, Ralph reads way more as a brother or even an older cousin character imo
Until the end where he's making slow motion goo goo eyes at her, and then they're going on double dates with Fix it and his wife. That aspect of the second movie seems realistic, that she would get annoyed at how he keeps trying to create an emotional closeness she's not interested in, so she wants to get away, although not permanently, as he was a good friend before. And... he's 30, she's 6. It's pretty weird to want to hang out and confide in a kid when you're almost middle aged. Btw I didn't catch any of this when I saw the movie when it came out. It wasn't until I watched it 10+ years later with my kids that I realized Ralph, despite meaning well, is pretty effed up and needs therapy.
As someone who watched basically all of "Lilo and Stitch" the series, I know a lot about the different experiments that are in that battle scene… "crab stitch" as you call him is straight-up a theme park ride that I guess travels around the islands and spins people around all day. You know like those twister rides you see at every cheap carnival? Yeah that's the one place where he belongs. 10 / 10 great material.
Also the only reason Crab Stitch is that big is he got hit by a growth ray on accident. He is actually the size of a bug because he was created to crawl inside machinery and destroy it from the inside-out by snipping wires and stuff. Lilo just decided to leave him that big and serve as a replacement for one of the carnival rides he destroyed. So yeah, theres a lot going on with him.
About Aladdin King of Thieves, I actually believe Aladdin’s dad. The original Aladdin movie clearly showed a unfair distribution of wealth and power and he literally raided the royal family’s wedding. The people there were NOT innocent. They were the people responsible for upholding the social/economic hierarchy. I believe that Cassim is overall a good guy who is charge of a bunch of morally corrupt guys like Sa’luk.
Yeah, I am a bit surprised Joel so uncritically criticized Aladdin's dad for that. I mean, some innocent people probably did get hurt, but it's difficult not to.
At the same time, I thought that was the point of the character. He wasn't a good guy. Then through the film he learned that a life of stealing gold was empty, what mattered was his family, and he'd made a HUGE mistake abandoning them. Aladdin is the hero saving him, in that sense.
29:30 I actually liked that Quasi doesn't end up with anyone at the end of the first. The entire arc of the first was about him moving past his dependencies on Frollo and on Esmerelda, his physical dependence on Frollo and emotional on Esmerelda.
Same, actually. They were EXCELLENT as best friends, such a great chemistry together and I'm glad her, Quasi, and Phoebus stayed just that - best friends.
@@Crasher1982Phoebus and Esmerelda were very much a romantic item by the end of the film. That was the only real issue I had with how they ended up. I think quasi not ending up with Esmerelda makes sense and is probably the healthiest decision for them. But her and Phoebus getting together felt really weird and unnecessary to me.
@@michaelslowmin No, quite the opposite in fact. Though Quasi isn't necessarily a major character for much of the book; no, the book itself is entirely about architecture and the cathedral itself. Victor Hugo wrote it specifically because Notre Dame was crumbling, and he succeeded- our modern conception of historical preservation can be traced back to him! Spoiler warning: The book is a tragedy, Phoebus is evil and while Frollo is also bad, he's a complicated character who's trying to save his brother from a life of crime. Quasi has very few words spoken through the entire book, but my favorite character is the Hugo self-insert guy who loves architecture. There's also some incredible lines (as is typical of Victor Hugo), like "This will kill that, the book will kill the cathedral", in reference to how literature and public education removed the necessity for massive public works (architecture) for the illiterate masses.
Generally, if a movie is just a bunch of unconnected stories, it’s because they already tried to make a tv show but execs decided to not green light it. They’re not trying to segue into a show, they’re throwing together the studio’s garbage to try to recoup the money they already spent on it.
The original Pocahontas was frustrating enough with how much it erased from Matoaka’s actual life story, but for the second one to romanticize her “marriage” to John Rolfe was honestly awful, especially when you find out that before her kidnapping, she already had a husband and a child among her people. She became so depressed after being held captive by the English for about a month that they finally allowed her sisters to visit for the express purpose of stopping her from offing herself. Her father was desperate to see her before she was shipped away but was never allowed to, so instead (following tradition) he gave a pearl necklace to her captors to then be given to her as a gift for her upcoming “marriage” to Rolfe. I’m assuming this necklace was the inspiration for the one in the movie which just adds to the tone-deafness of it all. Her story after she got to England was just a horrific tragedy.
disney should donate all the profits from those movies to the powhatan people or, idk, at least fund some native-DRIVEN storytelling for a change. i know it's only a matter of time before they come for everyone's culture (including my own) and i'm really just hoping they at least find it's more profitable to not be... THIS bad about it? but it's a corporation, they tried to copyright dia de los muertos, etc etc
@@CaramelsDen you might be shocked to find out every story Disney stole had darker tones and themes yeah? in the little mermaid, she doesn't get her voice back. she just effin dies, turns into seafoam. unda da sea indeed. ik Pocahontas existed, but ffs lol - kid's movies? yeah let's add slavery, Stockholm syndrome and depression mmm mm mm 👌 like a chef's kiss
@@TemmiePlays maybe they simply shouldn't've tried to romanticize a real life kidnapping of an indigenous woman. maybe you should get it through your head that adapting history isn't the same as adapting fairy tales. idk.
Fun fact: The “Pomp and Circumstance” sequence from _Fantasia 2000_ was mandated by Michael Eisner, then-CEO, against the wishes of the animators. He picked that song after attending his son’s graduation Source: _Disney War_
That whole book was infuriating to read. I've never encountered someone where I disagree with literally every decision that they've made. I also found katzenberg to be very relatable in the worst ways possible lol
The comment about how bambi 2 felt like Lion King is really interesting because the original pitch for TLK was "Bambi but in Africa". So they essentially made Bambi 2 "Simba but in North America".
The biggest irony with The Little Mermaid 2 is the fact that it's basically just The Little Mermaid but instead of child wanting to go from water to land, it's child wants to go from land to water. You'd think that Ariel would be more supportive since she went through having those same desires but in the end basically turned into her father. Oh yeah and the giant wall between the ocean and the castle they built after the fact is just hilarious. The apple really didn't fall far from the tree on that one I guess.
Honestly, I kinda like that about the sequel. It's very common for people to grow up judging or holding grudges against their parents for the ways in which they were treated when they were younger, but once they have children themselves they end up doing the same things to their kids. Though it doesn't mesh as well with the rest of the story, since there is a real formal threat against her kid in specific unlike in the first movie where the danger was more generalised and abstract, I do like that as a bit of characterisation for Ariel
@@ashikjaman1940 And then we cap it off with Melody's child wanting to become a bird and her forbidding them. Perhaps Ursula even gets a really pathetic brother or nephew, for flavour, y'know. It all comes back around.
the amount of adrenaline that courses through my veins every time someone talks about the Peter Pan sequel is enough to kill a horse it's my favorite Disney movie
I gotta mentally prepare myself every time a Return to Neverland review pops up because they either just don't get it or they just disrespect it because it's a Disney sequel 😭 I'm a Return to Neverland defender.
@@Carlos-Mora It's a running gag in this movie that's meant to be a reference to the first movie's "Who's on First?" gag between Milo and Kida. {Kida: Tell me more about your companions. Your physician, he is called Cookie? Milo: No, that’s Sweet. Kida: What is? Milo: The doctor. He’s Sweet. Kida: Oh, he is kindly. Milo: No, no, no, that… that’s his name. Kida: His name is Kindly? Milo: No, Sweet. Well, I mean, he’s kindly, too. Kida: So all of your doctors are sweet and kindly? Milo: No. Well, l-I’m sure some are. Ours is, but that’s not a requirement. You’re missing the point. Kida: You are confusing me.} Man, this movie was so good...
@@zogwort1522 I get the feeling whatever makes you like something really varies from person to person. I may not get like half of what they're referencing but one can still appreciate small references and details in a movie, which is what CinemaWins enjoys doing.
I think you may be overlooking stuff with the goofy movie sequel. The original was about Max and his dad fixing and reestablishing their relationship after what's heavily implied to be the death of Goofy's wife/Max's mother. It's never said out loud or directly addressed, but that is what the movie is going for. The sequel is about Goofy needing now to not only allow Max to grow up, but also for himself to finally move on. It is why he has a love interest in the film. It's more than Goofy getting past empty nest syndrome but to get to a point where he can rediscover what it means to be himself, and not just Max's dad.
That relationship between Goofy and Max in the sequel actually reminds me of the way Adventure Time wrote Jake the Dog after his kids grew up. I think that show was actually trying to make the point that some adults never actually learn and can be pretty selfish even if they’re not intentionally harming their kids. I always appreciated it for sticking to that.
This was my thought too. There is actually a kind of byline that goes through both about the perception of children of their parents and vice-vesa. We just see that change as Max ages.
35:50 The three things I HATED most about Wreck it Ralph 2: 1. Disney made Ralph "dumb" for plot convenience when in the first movie when he stops and thinks, he's actually quite intelligent. Using the Diet Cola volcano as a makeshift beacon to defeat the Cybugs? That's smart thinking. 2. Vanellope was willing to ditch everything for Slaughter Race, even though they stated in the first movie, that Sugar Rush would fall to pieces without someone to lead them. 3: Vanellope was bored of Sugar Rush because she was always winning. She was using her glitch to win the races. Of course, you're going to get bored of racing when you use it to win. And as she said to Ralph in the first movie: "Don't worry. I got it under control." It seemed more like a badly written fanfiction where Ralph and Vanellope were out of character throughout the movie.
As a final sticking point, they gentrified it. It was a film all about video games, characters and arcade culture, and it was beautiful in the context. Plenty left to explore in that, but they banked too hard on mass appeal, and instead made a mediocre movie about Internet Culture using the characters who deconstructed what it meant to be a hero and make authentic connections. Parallels, I guess.
I feel like Wendy saying she hasn't really changed rather implies that she has, despite growing up and becoming a mother, retained a sense of wonder. She's still a child at heart - Her trying to convince Peter that the real world is like Neverland doesn't hold water for me :/
that's why she can still fly. how does nobody pick up on that? it's displayed in the Robin Williams Hook movie. when you grow up you can't believe in fairies which means you can't fly bc you lost the childlike wonder. but Wendy was flying np
I hadn’t really seen the phrase “Ok wokelet” anywhere before but it lives in my mind rent free now just the PowerPoint spin into frame makes me laugh so hard
my confession is that when i was a kid the only disney movie we had was a VHS tape of the Beauty and the Beast sequel that one of our relatives gave us for christmas. and i LOVED IT and for years (YEARS) that was beauty and the beast to me. it was only when my middle school put on the play version and i was like "wtf where is the fucking evil organ???" that i realized that what i had been watching was the sequel. i was definitely the kid going around like "um, it's actually Stockholm syndrome," but based on totally the wrong movie 😭i never knew that was Bernadette Peters, though, that's pretty cool!
PLEASE this happened to me bc I had Mulan 2 on dvd. i figured it out literal years later when I was watching Mulan on TV cause i was like ok... I get she's saving China and all, but When do we get to the arranged marriage plotline????
It isn't a Disney movie, but this exact thing happened to me with Hoodwinked 2, leading to me defending that movie to the grave because I thought it was the original and watched it a thousand times as a kid.
My favorite scene in Tarzan & Jane is when Tarzan explains to Jane's high society friends how his parents got brutally torn to shreds and died in the corner of the very room they're currently in
tbh I'm a Disney Hater but that thing you said about early disney movies being dreamlike got me interested. there's this one thing Jan Svankmajer, who directed a surreal adaptation of Alice in Wonderland, said about being disappointed that other adaptations interpreted the story as a fairy tale, whereas he saw it as an amoral dream. I find that so extremely crunchy. I'm kind of obsessed with that quality
ironically I think that quality can often be found in stories that *are* meant to have an extremely simple, clear, straightforward moral, because they don't just tell us what they want us to think, they invite us into a world built to make us think it. but in doing so, they complicate the point and allow us to ask questions that take us beyond the stated intent of the story. not to ramble too much, but I find it kind of affirming to think that a story cannot be just a moral. there will always be more going on than that, more to crunch on, to the point that a story can endure past its intended moral. I can't tell you exactly what Hansel & Gretel was written to say or whether it was meant to say anything at all, but I can tell you it has rattled around in my mind for my entire life
I think what peter pan 2's overall message was is that even after you've grown and gone through horrific events and become an adult, you can still retain the wonders of childhood shown by wendy flying as well as regaining it after losing it shown by jane
Honestly return to Neverland is a comfort movie of mine. Maybe it’s bc I relate to Jane who had to grow up too fast and was unable to really be a kid. And hearing her mom talk about Peter Pan obviously made her annoyed bc she can’t remember a world anymore full of magic and stories. Her life is centered around the war. The song I Try makes me emotional and just fits the movie too. It’s a redundant movie for sure but Jane resonates with me and I like how in the end she lets herself be a kid and believe (same result as the first Peter Pan). Like Wendy said “you may have grown up but there’s still a lot you don’t know.” Being an adult doesn’t mean you have to put away childish things and loose the magic
My favorite part about Cinderella 3 is the fact that Prince Charming leaps out of a window with zero hesitation. It's a moment that has stuck with me for my entire life.
I'd just like to point out that the question of "How does attraction work in Brother Bear 2?" can be applied directly to Shrek. The difference is that Shrek was always an ogre and therefore either Shrek has an extraspecies attraction from the beginning OR that you should just be attracted to whatever you freaking want. It is a fascinating contrast and I'd love to hear it discussed.
No, Shrek isnt a different species. He's a green bald guy with a Scottish accent, that's not like a bear who is not a guy, has fur and doesn't have an accent (Scottish or otherwise).
I think cross anthro atraction isn't that weird. Like if my ancestors looked at a neanderthal and went, damn that's a sexy person, I don't think Shrek and Fiona finding one another attractive that weird.
For stories like Beauty and the Beast one of the fundamental elements that people get wrong is that the Beast, aka the gruff jaded mean one, is the first person in the relationship to try and do better. He sees this girl just trying to be nice to him, not coming on romantically, but just showing him kindness and is able to recognize that his harshness is unwarranted. Then he decides to do better for her of his own volition (even if prompted by other characters), and when she sees his actual effort then she starts encouraging it and warming up to him. Sure they can have bumps along the way and old habits die hard, maybe he snaps at her or hurts her at some point, but the result should always be him being shocked and horrified at the result and needing to apologize and do better after. This is how a redemption story works, the character is jaded and mean but the kindness of someone else gets them to change themselves and be better. People see stories like that and then make the jaded mean one an actual asshole with no empathy. Then they make the romantic partner be the one to initiate romantic feelings for no reason other than “I think I can fix them” and endure endless mean actions from the asshole (often times framing the nice one as stupid or belittling them) until at some point the asshole decides they like them back, despite how annoying they find them. There’s no redemption or examination of the asshole’s behavior, and ultimately the message is “endure abuse and eventually they will love you back” which sucks and is actually toxic. Belle doesn’t have to love the Beast. When he shows he’s capable of being a good guy, when she actually sees him trying to do better, then she decides to reciprocate. She doesn’t even know about the curse or feel obligated to love him to save his life until he’s already sacrificed that for her. It’s a really wonderful enemies to lovers story and I hate how people twist it
As someone who is so autistically obsessed with Hunchback of Notre Dame I disgaree with you IMMENSELY. The reason he doesnt end up with anyone in the film is because he doesnt in the book. Thematically, its because Frollo sees her as a devil and Quasi sees her as an angel, Pheobus is the only one who sees her as a human. Also, due to Quasi being so isolated, she is the only woman he even meets, so obviously he wouldnt end up with another woman. Also the statue loving a goat was a thing in the first movie too. Also Pheobus being racist in the second movie makes no sense. In the first movie his whole thing is that he isnt racist, but is misguided and following his superiors orders. He literally almost gets murdered defending a family from Frollos racism. The only good thing about the sequel is Zephyr.
Also, Frollo would rather kill Esmerelda than give her up or let someone else have her, so Quasi choosing to let her go is a direct foil to the villain of the movie, because he's the good guy! It's not typical for Disney so it might feel weird but once you think about it, her ending up with Pheobus was a really solid choice! Maybe even the only satisfying choice
I feel like Ralph and Vanillope's dysfunctional dynamic is kind of realistic (like a single dad does a great job when his kid is young but as she grows up he doesn't know how to handle it and messes it up and traumatizes the kid). But it's not at all entertaining to watch, just uncomfortable🧍🏻♀️
I feel the movie would've been better if they treated Ralph like a boomer who can barely adapt to modern technology instead of a manchild who's so naive to function in real life
The problem is that it just doesn't work with Ralph. Ralph was nowhere this immature nor clingy, so it's extremely weird to see him turned into this manchild who doesn't seem to realize the severity of any of his actions.
my mother has been insisting that Zero to Hero was a real movie that she absolutely loved and i swore up and down she was crazy bc i could never find the movie anywhere online. you and dan just proved me wrong...
I'll say this, the sequel to A Goofy Movie wasn't supposed to be about max changing. It was a movie for parents, dads specifically. It was about letting go.
You make a good point. But I'm not a parent unfortunately, and it's still a Disney sequel. It might hit harder if I was, but for now it's just kinda mid.
@aesiro13 No, I totally agree. It's not a great movie. But I was just saying that we weren't supposed to be on goofy's side. We were supposed to see him as an annoying dad who wouldn't give his son space and was afraid to let go, and that was starting to drive him away.
that segment on before ever after, as a fan of rapunzel's tangled adventure, was absolutely priceless. the way he just included it in the list without justifying that choice at all and dropped the hot take that king fredrick should die (he's right) and then moved on without a care. iconic. will live rent free in my mind forever.
freddy is the WORST and it really roasts my chestnuts that he gets forefronted over Ariana in s2 as the parent Raps cares about more somehow (and that the amnesia plot sidesteps him ever facing any consequences for how he treated Raps and Varian in S1). love the show though even if i have my issues with it lmao
I lost it when Sebastian yelled, “Ursula’s Crazy Sister!!” 😭😭😭😭 trying to just casually slip in the fact that she’s had a sister this whole time
I can't stop thinking about the "crazy" part. What does it mean? Are they implying that Ursula was the "sane" one in the family? Or do they have another sane sister, so this one is "the crazy one"? I have to know Disney!! Give me Ursula's family tree!
Little mermaid 2 is a bad fanfiction. Dialogue is so forced and cheesy.
should have gone with "Oh no! It's Ursula's crazy sister who definitely existed the whole time and we all knew about it!"
"somehow, Ursula's crazy sister returned"
i busted out laughing 😭
“no matter what, some adult is dating some child in lady and the tramp 2: scamps adventure” is a hell of a sentence to wake up to after passing out to a chunk of this
considering dogs age 6 times faster than humans, idk . maybe we can't hold another species to our standards
@@TemmiePlays if we were talking about real life dogs, I would agree with you, but these are fictional, sapient dogs created by a team of human writers who made the specific choice to include an adult/child relationship
@@WickedKatze then it makes even less sense to lobby over a fictional, imaginary abomination
Seems like some misogyny to me: the love interest is both young enough to get along with the the puppy and "mature enough" to date the adult dog. The writers didn't bother to consider if she was an adult or a puppy, only that she was "female"
@@WickedKatze I haven't seen the movie, but based on the clips Scamp seems "coming of age" age, which is like 14-15, so as long as the girl is like 17 and the doberman is no older than 21, its really not that bad.
Joel looks like he watched the 34 sequels in a row and didn't take a nap before recording this video. Legend.
This is how almost all white dudes, age 27-28, look.
EDIT: I say this as a disheveled albeit ""charming"" white dude in his late 20s--so I am told.
Thats a very specific way of describing what Joel looks like most of the time. Very much on point though.
I literally don't know how he gets his hair like that.
Joel always looks like that, remember him thriving at the opera?
@@Gamerkat10 electric sockets.
Ariel's mom having enough time to gasp in disbelief *twice* before her imminent and very contrived death is the funniest thing in the world
That’s my biggest gripe with death scenes like that. Either make their death totally unavoidable, or tragically accidental, don’t draw it out.
She was self-aware and knew she was in a prequel
Couldn't move. She knew she was in a canon moment.
@@megib901. Lol, she gets locked in place by the animators while thinking “shit, shit, shit why can’t I move?!”
Dude. Tens of merqueens die every year to slow boat crashes.
Big Joel: Hates comic relief bird characters
Also Big Joel: Likes that there’s a whole movie about Iago
Because Iago is blessed. Gilbert Godfried’s touch puts him on a level that no other comic relief bird can reach
it's in his name. he's large. he contains multitudes.
Gilbert Gottfried was just that charismatic
What they said. Also Gilbert went on to be one of my favorite TV characters of all time, Digit from Cyberchase, also known as comic relief bird character 😂
Iago is the only one who was tolerable to be fair
Cinderella 3 has the single best Disney clip ever made.
King: “I forbid you to take ONE MORE STEP down these stairs!”
Charming: “… Okay” _Jumps out the window next to him_
Cinderella 3 in general is a masterpiece
“Let’s beat her with it”
LEGEND
*”BUT THE TALKING MICE SAY SHES THE WRONG GIRL”*
too many iconic quotes:
"hold the trumpet!"
"LETS BEAT HER WITH IT"
"Go get em twinkle toes!"
"But the talking mice say shes the wrong girl!"
Tbf the love interest in the Notre Dame sequel is one of the very few people that isn't immediately repulsed by the hunchback. If I spent my life being verbally abused and someone came up to me making dad jokes I'd probably breakdown crying.
Ding!
The first movie had a major tone problem that marred the moments where it totally nailed its heavy plot points. The sequel knows *exactly* what it’s about.
@@panpolypuff I'm losing to a bird!
Honestly, I think someone who actually went through that would be shocked or confused by kindness towards them. They'd probably be distrusting and think it's some ploy to get something out of them. It's possible that kindness would be perceived as an attack and the recipient would reject them
@Watching EVERYONE SHOULD WATCH DUCKTALES!
Hearing goth Tim Curry CGI piano saying "They can't fall in love if they're DEAD" absolutely sent me. Amazing line, 10/10.
Trust me, it only gets funnier when you've seen Tim Curry simultaneously voice his OWN Beast on Stories from My Childhood, a limited series of English-dubbed Russian cartoons that ran in 1998 (called Beauty & the Beast: The Tale of the Crimson Flower). Not only is it a testament to his immense talent, that he can play LITERAL polar opposite characters back-to-back and excel at both (his version of the Beast is one of my favorite depictions thus far), but it makes his anti-love campaign as Forte all the more hilariously (and unintentionally) ironic. 😆😉🌹
Example:
Tim Curry as Forte during his villain song: 🎵"It's BLISS, to be alone!" 🎵
Tim Curry as the Beast to Stephen, the father of Anastasia (the Beauty): "I can live in loneliness no longer." (Followed up by seven other varied utterances of his crippling loneliness throughout the story. No joke, I counted).
A true hero to the aro community
@@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose I know you wrote this forever ago but I searched for it and someone uploaded it on TH-cam! Thank you for this experience. Haha
I also love Goth CGI Tim Curry piano, but can we also acknowledge that it's very clearly a pipe organ and not a piano?
SPACE!!!!!
We as a society need to hold Mushu accountable for his crimes
Time to make some mushu "pork"
I agree that he needs to be held accountable, but he is a freaky demon by circumstance and we should take that into consideration during sentencing.
I don't know who that was, but that was NOT Mushu!
Wasn't he only in this situation at all bc he was being punished? how tf do you punish a guy for his punishment
@@sigh824 death
I interpret the Wendi “I haven’t really changed” line completely differently. I think it just means that she hasn’t lost a childhood sense of wonder or kindness just because she’s also matured and grown up. It’s not that she hasn’t literally changed in meaningful and important ways but that the important things about her that their friendship were built upon aren’t gone and she’s still the same person Peter Pan became friends with.
oh but like sorry I really love your interpretation too I don't think I got that across
I think your interpretation is the clear intent of the scene 😂 You're literally correct.
@Fried Rice Okay, deleted my annoyed replies, but that's obviously not what I meant, come on.
@@xanderguyer7512 no, I interpret your comment to say you don't like movies very much and that's literally correct
100% agree with this interpretation I really think big Joel goofed it this time. That's why little Joel is much better and smarter.
Cinderella 3 is unironically my favorite Disney sequel because of the scene where the prince jumps out the window. I can't believe you didn't show it.
It would just be redundant since the internet has already memed the hell out of it
@@morbidsearch I’ve never seen it
Thanks, I just looked it up
For me it's also the best Cinderella
@@morbidsearch it’s not near as big a meme as it should be.
The most hilarious thing to me about The Little Mermaid sequel is that Sebastian says 'Ursula's crazy sister! ', which seems to me that he's implying that he didn't think Ursula was crazy.
Yes I believe that is the intended joke they were going for.
That’s literally one of the only things people remember about that film
is ursala really that crazy? she was cast out by triton just for practicing withcraft, if that happened to me id try and overthrow the throne too
Edit: nvm I was high
@@420Kleiner I was reading your comment and thinking, “Mmm. Well, I kinda get what you’re saying.” Then I got to your edit and started dying laughing. I am _not_ high, so idk what to make of that.
@@chasescorner2902 Shockingly, I tried watching this movie recently and I can still recite nearly every word for word lol Little mermaid 2 was one of my absolute favorite disney movies when I was younger, but as a teen then adult, I was infactuated with horror movies.
Mulan would understand the nuances of a political marriage. She was vying for an arrangement in the beginning to honor her family. I think it'd be a better movie if SHANG was the one that was uneasy with the concept. Shang did think less of Mulan as a misogynist, so did the other guys it'd be more meaningful if he was the one who now, even presented by dainty and obedient princesses, is concerned for their autonomy. It would both show us his growth, and give us an interesting arc. I'm not sure how you'd fully justify either of them thinking that Defecting on a mission that would avoid a war though. The ending is goofy, though that bit about Mulan taking the place of the princesses was good.
o.o
Right? Hell, imagine Mulan actually being the voice in favor of the arranged marriage, not because she thinks it's some inherently good thing, but because it's *practical*. They've both been to war, like hell Mulan's going to let anyone else go through what she and Shang both did, or let any other villages get burned down like that one she and her comrades saw.
This is a great idea, but it's also a very 2010's 2020's idea. 2004 wasn't ready for a Disney film with even that level of nuance about feminism (women enforcing it, men also being trapped into marriages they aren't happy with ect.).
Hell, I don't think Disney is even ready for that now.
But damn if this comment doesn't make me want a feminist historical fiction inspired by Mulan (all versions) and Mulan 2 (Disney's) but aimed at adults. Complete with foot binding and all the other horrors of being a woman in that culture and time included. Preferably aimed at a Chinese audience but including a cultural explanation voice over so I (an ethically and culturally british gal) don't miss the all nuance. They could even include a subplot about Mulan being used as a propaganda tool to get men to enlist to reference the original stories purpose.
@Albinojackrussel Idk, the original Mulan was already ahead on this aspect.
The idea that they sing a song about a "girl worth fighting for" thinking of wives who will serve them, then the song stops to reveal a destroyed village, where Mulan picks up a doll reminding us of the little girl in the beginning. That shit was WILD for a movie in its time, acknowledging not only the aggressive sexism of a man like the Emperor's advisor or whatever that dude is, but also the passive misogyny of protecting a woman for what she provides, ignoring the inherent value of her as a person even when she isn't a romantic possibility.
I think someone who truly loved Mulan, and understood it, could have arrived at this theme even in the early 2000s when this sequel was made given the leap of progressiveness they were capable of when writing the original. It's plausible.
It's also plausible I read into it too much and it was incidental that sequence went as it did 😂😂😂
maybe if they'd actually shown the men they were supposed to be marrying and depcited them as kinda scummy? that'd be a decent reason to be like "okay, this shouldn't go ahead"
My favourite thing about the Hunchback sequel is that it actually makes a lot of sense that Quasimodo, after the drama of saving a girl from being burned at the stake by a horny old man who also killed his mother, really just wants an average girl to vibe with.
One of the most natural, down to earth romances Disney has ever made. Too bad the movie it was attached to is so sub par.
I like how Joel just decided to talk about these movies in a completely random order with no segways between them
I love every time he does really in depth about a particular movie he likes and then in the next sentence is talking about some other random garbage movie.
More creators should feel no obligation to give creative diarrhea the time for exposition. This is the kind of analysis served sloppy-style that is deserved
I also like how many times he says self contradicting statements about how this movie is the worst, this is the best, this is the only S tier, this is the only Disney sequel that justifies its existence, etc etc when I'm pretty sure he's said that before, possibly multiple times
It honestly feels like he started ranting at one of his friends about this, stopped midsentence and said 'Wait,.should I be filming this? I should film this.' and just left his friend standing there without another word, for them to resume their life.
For a bit I thought it was alphabetical, since he started with Atlantis...but it was not.
Hearing the voice of Marge Simpson come out of anything other than Marge Simpson has shaken me to my very core.
time stamp?
@@Naka-wc3yo2:43
dude and then the character with patrick’s voice caught me so off guard
@@omnimonium time stamp?
@@Naka-wc3yo Just watch the bit on Lion King 1 & 1/2. It's marked on the video's timeline. That or just scan through it. It doesn't take THAT long.
as a hunchback of notre dame 2 stan/scholar i can't believe you left out how the giant bell is beautiful on the INSIDE as one of the great hunchback of notre dame 2 moments
La fidèle... 🔔
LINDSAYYYYYY
So deep…. Says a lot about society
Never saw the movie, did see the design in this video. Jewels inside a bell, bell would destroy the hell out of those and would sound like shit. 10/10 perfect metaphor
@@CHUCKLZLORD it’s the normal expectations and requirements of everyday life that will ultimately destroy the beauty within us all. And we all sound like shit. 😌
Quasimodo not getting the girl is well-considered in the og film. The first positive relationship he ever has is with Esmeralda - that’s not a healthy place to begin a relationship of equals. The films deliberately contrasts how he and Frollo vies Esmeralda - one sees her as a temptress devil, the other as a heavenly angel. Neither is her. Only Phoebus operates on her level and can ‘spar’ with her, literally. At a key moment, Frollo tells Esmeralda to love him or burn. Quasi, on the other hand, relinquishes his jealousy of Phoebus and saves Esmeralda with no expectation of romance. The end of the film focuses on him joining hr people of Paris as one of them, accepted as an equal.
Too many films offer women up as a means to ‘save’ men through romantic relationships. Or to give value to men who are otherwise ‘not valuable’. Getting the girl would’ve just reinforced that for Quasi. Instead, his growing maturity and compassion earned him acceptance and a rebirth of his very own. That’s so much better than a romance.
And also Madeline and him just mesh better personality wise, their senses of humor are remarkably similar for example
Yeah, totally agree. Esmerelda wasn't looking for a guy, she just wanted to be free. Letting her go was good writing. The girl from the sequel on the other had was very much shopping for a boyfriend.
I agree that it was the right way to go, but I also agree with Big Joel, if Quasimodo was an outcast for soley being a gypsy or something instead I don't imagine Disney would have went that route.
I absolutely 100% agree with this take, but I also understand, and hell, even agree with the disappointment of the ugly, disabled character not finding love. It isn't really something that happens particularly often in fiction so to see it not happen from the *one* company that really loves pairing up their protagonists ...? yeah, it does sting a wee bit. ultimately a good decision they didn't pair up quasi with esme, but still one that makes me go "huh, yeah, so when *will* they just let the ugly dude get the girl?" (or ugly girl get the guy, etc. etc.)
@@princeapoopoo5787 in media, but especially animation it seems we're lucky if they even depict an ugly (main) character
I love how joel looks increasingly unhinged, and this is gonna go on for an hour!? I'm ready
But… but… he already started quite unhinged D:
He looks out of control
He looks like a tumbleweed
It's great, because he looks how I feel.
looks like he is one 'letter from the wife bearing bad news' away from digging up the crate of whisky he buried on the island.... somewhere... if he can just remember where...
Joel casually but confidently saying that Timon and Pumbaa "make love" really makes me laugh
That’s an archaic usage if I’ve ever seen one
"would you still love me if I turned into a bear?" is a question no one asked but Brother Bear 2 sought to answer
Brave
@@PodreyJenkin138 different type of love.
@@PodreyJenkin138 Merobiba
Baldur’s Gate 3
"They CAN'T fall in love if they're D E A D " genuinely made me laugh for a full minute
as a diehard Beauty and the Beast fan, Belle's Enchanted Christmas is the BEST fanon and easily the best way to get me to laugh. ESPECIALLY this line.
Goth cgi Tim curry piano is my favorite character description
I too cracked tf up at that. Amazing delivery as always.
Tim Curry is a national treasure.
Goth CGI Tim Curry Piano is the 8th wonder of the world.
I used to watch the hell out of this movie, love it
I'm so glad Joel latched on to the "Ursula's Crazy Sister" line because its been seared in my brain for over a decade. I laughed so hard during the hunchback 2 portion of the video
Real ones remember lindsay Ellis’s Disney sequels video from ten years ago.
It's stuck in my head too but I can't figure out why. Is it because it's exposition basically saying: "Sudden 2nd ursula! She's like ursula but crazy and we only remembered her just now! That's what we're doing this movie!"
@@codyxvasco592 that's exactly it! It's somehow both the laziest and most efficient explanation of a character ever. Also, I have to wonder, if she's Ursula's crazy sister, then do they consider Ursula to be....sane? Sea witch Ursula? Whole garden of condemned souls Ursula? She was the normal one in the family?
Its a minor trend in sequel media for Disney and once you notice its kind of funny. Because you also have Kovu, Scar's Heir, and Mozenwrath, Jafar Jr.
@Will N Its really sad that Mozenwrath's voice actor unalived himself. I always enjoyed the character when I watched the old Aladdin TV series as a child, and made an effort to watch the ones that he was in.
"Can you just talk to the bear please? Can you just communicate with the bear for 5 seconds? You can talk to bears in this movie."
is a fantastic line, and I think it should be mandatory in any movie in which you can, in fact, talk to bears.
Cocaine bear would’ve been so interesting under this new law
I've never seen this creator before. All I see is that he watched all 34 Disney sequels and that his hair is wild. I'm watching this.
Welcome to the Joel club
Same- and it didn't disappoint!
He’s Like That
I reccomend you watch some of his other stuff, including the second channel
welcome to big joel
I 100%, no joke, owe my current career to Lion King 1 1/2. The special features on the DVD featured a “virtual safari” where you got in a little wildebeest ride vehicle and went through the story of the lion king as a theme park ride, except things went wrong. I vividly remember a scene where you enter a dark room and hear the hyenas laughing and see their eyes in the dark, then the work lights blink on and you see the eyes are just lights on sticks. I thought that was the coolest thing.
Anyways, I work in lighting in themed entertainment now.
that sounds like the exact opposite of one of my favorite scary-movie tropes, which is when you get just a split-second glance of the monster or scary thing before being left in the dark with that knowledge
I thought this was a false memory I'm glad it's real
holy shit! nice
I love seeing comments like these, what a great formative memory. Thank you for sharing!
thank you for unlocking that childhood trauma in me
I love how Joel says random crap like how fighting raccoons is bad because they’re good guys and we’re just supposed to accept that
That’s not random crap at all that’s raccoon facts.
Don't slander raccoons.
Then you watch guardians 3
is he wrong tho?
In these dark times Medium Joel is the only one brave enough to stand up and racpill the world on the FACTS the mainstream media doesn't want you to hear.
The biggest issue I have with Ralph Breaks the Internet is that it completely disregards the premise of "going Turbo" and the dangers associated with any game that has that happen. It was treated as terrifying to the NPCs of Fix It Felix Jr. when it was assumed that Ralph was abandoning his game, but Vanellopes' decision is applauded and everybody is just happy for her. WTF?!
I will give the writers this- Ralph's game absolutely cannot work without him, but Sugar Rush still has like twelve other racers. People would notice her missing but they can just use someone else like they did before Ralph helped her defeat King Candy. But without Ralph, nothing gets wrecked. This IS explained in the sequel and makes sense, although I think the premise is bad from the ground up partly because it feels like an emotional retcon even if it technically makes sense so I will not defend it beyond that
Her game worked without her since the first one, remember that she wanted a car for even be able to compete.
The game surviving without her isn't the point. The point is, they're all completely indifferent to her dying. It says several times, "if you die outside your own game, you don't revive." So one death in her new game, and she's permanently dead.
This was the entire emotional climax of the original movie, as Ralph was willing to face permanent death outside his game to get Vanellope to safety.
Now we're supposed to forget about all that? The rules for the universe and thus the attitudes of the characters have instantly completely changed with no explanation. If Vanellope dies permanently, who cares, apparently.
@@bluedistortionsGoddammit that could've been used to actually validate Ralph's anxieties. Imagine finding out that your little sister or niece or whatever was considering running away to an extremely violent area where she could be permanently wiped from existence as opposed to staying in a perfectly safe sugar heaven that she's become bored of. It's not groundbreaking... but it's better than "This little girl belongs to me so I will break this game."
Ralph’s life in Wreck-it Ralph 1 was fucking miserable and when people invoked Turbo, they were essentially saying it was selfish to want a better life because this one guy did a bad thing years ago
At the end, everyone understands why he left, they let all the neglected homeless guys into Ralph’s game and the real Turbo dies. So I guess ppl are slightly more lax about people following their dreams
Don’t get me wrong though this movie fuckin blows
It’s pretty hilarious now that I realize brother bear 2 just wanted to do a shrek but didn’t realize the fact that “fairytale ogre” and “literal bear” are not interchangeable
The girl is just a furry.
@@thesquaremonger You missed an "r" there and it makes it even more hilarious.
2:48 Watching Pumbaa repeatedly encircle his bed was one of the most powerful psychological experiences I've ever been through
I always thought Mowgli could talk to animals because he was raised by animals and learned they're language. And them speaking English is just to convey that Mowgli understands them in a way that we can also understand them.
Nope. Bears are just little guys we can talk to
@@Paratet jellybean is right bc the humans don't understand Mowgli in the original he's just a savage or something
That was your mistake, applying consistent logic across two movies in the same setting. Shame!
you put lightyears more thought into this than the writers did
@@Paratet just little big guys
Ok, for Brother Bear 2, I feel like it’s important to be familiar with Native American/First Nations/Alaska Native stories to understand the marrying a bear thing.
In the Long Ago time, animals were people and had interactions with humans as any human to another human would have. Animals had their own clans and villages, but with different powers specific to their species.
So a human lady marrying a bear and then becoming one is not that weird in that context, as there are a lot of stories of similar stuff happening. It’s less about finding bears attractive as it is more loving each other and the bear thing is a non-issue.
I mean, the bear clan aspect is pretty specific, but isn’t Inter species relationships (often in a highly metaphorical sense) pretty universal in folklore? Animal wife is my favorite trope of all time (specifically, your wife has been a walrus this whole time aaaaand it’s time for her to go home)
I can only speak from my knowledge of Native stories and those traditions.
@@kinodzeedzayou could have a sense of humor about it though lol
Hey, well said, amazing context, thank you.
Appreciate your additional info - thanks!
This video is insane it's so surreal and incomprehensible. What is happening. it's perfect. no sequel review sounds like any other it feels like every one gives the exact feeling of watching the movie in distilled form. It really does feel like you have watched all of these disney sequels and you've become one with them. are you okay. thank you.
I love how there are no transitions from one movie two the other two lol its just so disjointed
It's a perfect successor to Big Joel's old disney reviews from a few years ago, spiritually and literally.
The "Tarzan and Jane" transition makes me laugh; his only comment about it was a ridiculously funny scene of Tarzan collecting diamonds for greedy miners, and then saying a blank black screen was his favorite scene from the movie.
Mulan in Mulan II: "But in my time, arranged marriage is illegal and looked down upon."
Emperor: "Is that so? Magnifico! That's wonderful! I'm glad humanity has reached such a state. But you said you're from 1000 years in the future? Before you judge, consider the circumstances."
"being arranged married is better than being dead, no?"- Emperor of China
With just a small change they could have totally salvaged the idea! Just make Mulan's opposition to the practice something she recognizes is out of step with society - a personal conviction based on her own bad experience with matchmaking. Show her trying to be ok with it, trying to "do the right thing" by facilitating it, while watching the princesses and her soldier friends fall in love. Push on that conflict between duty/what society says is right and what your own morals say are right until it cracks, and Mulan "suddenly" turns outlaw, shepherding the three new couples to the only place they might be able to escape the Emperor's grasp: Mongolia.
Don't you understand, Mulan? They CANT fall in love, if they're DEAD!!!
The emperor did not INVENT arranged marriages
Thank you for reminding me of that banger of a quote.
Bambi II's redeeming quality is that they paid Sir Patrick Stewart to say "A prince does not woo. Hoo."
"A prince does not woo hoo."
--Gurney Halleck
And they made him super hot, which helps a lot
"a lilo and stitch movie is good, proportionnal to how much lilo it has"
truer words have never been spoken
I love lilo and stitch, myself, but I have to agree that lilo is the reason you care about stitch
Without Lilo, Stitch is just a feral quasi-sentient monstrosity hellbent on destruction after all.
@@Schemilixno that's just a cat and the Internet loves cats.
@@Backinblackbunny009 True, though cats don't tend to car jack. Yet.
@@Schemilix you hadn't met my childhood cat Mimi before her murder, clearly. She loved hiding in the car and taking over the dashboard at the least convenient times.
@@IanDresarie I'm sorry Mimi died, though I have to say with the context, i briefly thought she commited a murder of a human and did time for it so you haven't seen her since...
56:10 fun fact, Pomp and Circumstance was used at the specific request of Michael Eisner, because he cried at his son's graduation. He originally wanted to make the short about all of the Disney princes and princesses walking down the line and showing off their kids. really.
Animators all hated Pomp and Circumstance, and so when Eisner said "well it has to go somewhere!", they decided to pair it with their least favorite short idea.
God, there are so many stories of studio exec who think they're artists because they own an art company. The ego tripping, it's painful to watch.
last i remember, i thought the sequence depicted the princesses as pregnant wives
Least bizarre Michael Eisner idea
Well, thank you for sharing the story anyway. I am glad people have a chance to know what the animators were forced to do.
Was it fucking Breck? His son Breck who he used to try and figure out how to make disneyland better aimed at teens????
The fearless vision of this man to forego timestamps. We are supposed to watch this chronologically in one sitting as he intended
This is a director’s cut
IT BROKE NEW GROUND!
It is a test of endurance. Not for the faint of heart.
As Scorsese would have wanted
Who is craving like the review of JUST the Cinderella sequels and is sitting here like "Goddammit Joel, you seriously not gonna give me the timestamps so I don't have to sit through all this BS?!"
Whenever I say Aladdin's dad was hot as hell no one ever knows what I'm talking about. Thank you for this.
I was going to post the same thing, lol! I felt so seen when he said that.
Aladdin's dad is fine af
@@prophetofbara1214 finally found my people 🤣
fr he's exactly what I need in a man
Lion King 2: Simbas Pride includes arguably the best song in a Disney sequel: "Not One of Us". If you ever felt like an outcast yourself, that one hits differently.
Oh yeah, that song slaps. Lullaby is also a dark banger, and Zira has always terrified me more than Scar. The power of hate hits harder than the power of envy.
not one of us has been stuck in my head since i was eleven years old
Boo hoo another loner on TH-cam who thinks he’s special because he’s a loner
obsessed with the way you transition from movie to movie without so much as a pause between sentences
Yeah I wasn’t paying attention and was taken aback by some of the transactions like, “wait, when did he start talking about this?”
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Omg right? I was only listening to the audio of this at work and I had to keep doing a doubletake. And every movie "review" was totally different in length so I could never tell when one was even close to being over lololol
Fake Big Joelcels seething. A true Big Joel stan like me picked up on the subtle nuances of his commentary and inflections so I could usually tell when he transitioned from one topic to another.
Wait you don’t consider Iago a goofy comic relief character?
try as you might, old man, but you’ll never surpass little joel
little joel is the people's tiny hero!
"the future is now old man" - Little Joel to Big Joel
If you look behind the curtain i am sure little Joel and big Joel are friends. In fact I would love to see a Collab between the two of them.
@@titania396 their collab channel absolutely needs to be named "Average Joel"
this joel is simply too large to ever be considered legitimate
Another odd thing about Cinderella 2 is that in every version of the story as far as I recall, her father is either a nobleman or a wealthy merchant. She spends several years forced to live as a servant by her evil stepmother, but she was born into wealth. She wouldn't be totally alienated by the behavior of the nobility even if she happened to disagree with it, but in this movie she's acting like a peasant who married into royalty.
It's even right in the opening of the original Disney movie. That huge house used to be hers.
Isn't it said that her father died as a child and that she's been a servant ever since? She probably forgot her upbringing
Yeah that was the whole reason her stepmother married her dad, for his wealth
Because.......she's being ABUSED
Joel looks like he finally regained consciousness from a 3 day acid trip and this video is the recording of him recounting his visions like a ancient prophet
You're right about the unmistakable vibe of Atlantis 2. It's not actually a promo for a TV show - it's the scrapped carcass of one! They started making the show, the original movie never quite performed, and they decided they'd slightly restructure and finish up the first three episodes and call it a sequel, so they could get at least SOME money out of their investment in the show. The rough edges are obvious and messy and exactly the kind of disaster you'd expect from its production story.
The scrapped TV show was to be titled _Team Atlantis._ Among the episodes scripted and voiced (but not animated) is a _Gargoyles_ crossover, with Marina Sirtis reprising her role as Demona.
@@davidlevy706 I hadn't heard about that! That's hilarious, and as a fan of both franchises, I'm sad we all missed out on something that would have been equal parts glorious and freaking goofy.
In a more perfect world, an Atlantis TV series would be a great opportunity to tell stories from different mythologies and expose kids to different cultures and their histories.
However, I think that if the series happend in reality, the actual Disney would not have delt with the premise with the care and tact it would need to not turn into a cringefest though.
this hjappened to star wars too, didn't it
Joel's tone of voice makes everything he says impossible for me to tell if its genuine or not, and I like it that way
This comment is also improved by reading it in Joel's voice!
Yes
How sad and tragic that Rapunzel escaped an abusive parent-figure who confined her only for her own family to do exactly the same.
The show gets better, I promise
I pretend the show isn’t canon. It goes against so many things the first movie left. Including the wedding they already have in the movie smh
@@lunarialoonatic It literally doesn't go against the wedding. It comes between the movie and the wedding short film, so it's more about the adventures that happen after the film ends but before they fully get hitched.
@@neonjaysI personally just don’t appreciate the extra additions like some secret kid??? So cliche, or changing Flynn’s rugged nature
As someone who's seen (admittedly only the first season of) the cartoon it's not really like that, I think. Her dad bans her from leaving the kingdom out of fear for her safety- he's ultimately portrayed as misguided, but understandable. He's already lost her once and basically just got her back. He's not evil, he's scared. Also, the kingdom is pretty small, but "don't leave the country without my knowledge and permission" isn't that unreasonable of a request? Like, she's only 18. She travels within the kingdom on her own all the time in season one, too.
The phrase "Flounder is an otaku now" is going to haunt me for the rest of my life, I can feel it.
It was a nightmare of a line for sure
What do you mean "Aladdin is innocent"? He's married to the Sultan's daughter and he does nothing to help the poor! He's like the epitome of a class traitor.
Oh, come on. We don't have to turn everything into Discourse.
@@LimeyLassen We don't have to take every comment seriously either.
@@washada but actual cops also enforce important and good laws too, like the ones forbidding people from literally murdering each other?
@@alexbennet4195 how many times have cops stopped a murder or rape or theft _before_ it happened? They have no problem punishing people _after_ the fact (unless the perpatrator was a fellow cop), but the Supreme Court ruled back in 2006, I think, that it is literally not their job to protect people. They certainly enforce rules... for _some._
@@Silburific idk, don’t quote me on this, but I think there *might* have been a few occasions where people in danger of violence have used their mobile phones to call the police and, as a result… were saved from that violent threat? If that’s right your Supreme Court sounds absolutely wack tho (like wtf), but in most countries the explicit purpose of the police is (supposed to be) to serve and… literally “protect”??
Just from the clips shown here, i think the reason the banter between quasimodo and his gf works is because the voice actor for the gf is absolutely nailing it. Just hearing her laugh makes me smile.
That’s Jennifer love Hewitt! She was my first crush as a kid lol and the only reason why little me watched it. She also did voice work in Tom Thumb and adult me still finds her fine af
The banter between her and Quasimodo also works I think because you don't expect Quasi to have a traditional romance or get all poetic or anything. He's having a crush, and she is too because she's been sheltered, and awkward conversation with giggles feels plausible for the two of them. Its pure puppy love. It's one of the few things I think that movie got right.
Okay, the dragon, griffon, and unicorn all laughing while the other animals file onto the ark is pretty darn funny.
I always felt like the short is fine, and pomp and circunstance is great, but together they just kind of become something highly dissonant, and they definetively needed some work around.
I used to believe that's what really happened when I was a kid. Not from this movie, but the exact same thing.
Tbh I had to watch that part multiple times to tell whether they were laughing or crying. 😳
I think it's fine that Quasimodo didn't end up with Esmeralda at the end of the first Notre Dame film. His conflict was never "I want to be loved by a woman", it was "I want to be accepted by other people, at least for a day." And in pursuing that goal, he not only gets accepted by the public but learns to love himself by the end of the film. And now that he loves himself, he's ready to be in a romantic relationship in the sequel. I find that beautiful.
Also, I love the dialogue between Quasi and Madellaine. It reminds me of the silly things me and my girlfriend say to each other to makes each other laugh.
I agree that it's fine in the context of the movie, in fact from that perspectice it's good even. Quasimodo directly contrasts with Frollo, who feels entitled to Esmeralda's love. It's great.
But looking at the whole Disney catalogue it is suspicious that for their one disabled character they had to write it in a way where he doesn't get a romantic partner at the end.
@@petermazug7704in the original story Esmeralda is in love with Cpt. Phoebus, that's probably why, although I can't REALLY speak as to why THoND doesn't follow the traditional Disney method
The abrupt transitions make me feel like I'm seeing many Little Joels standing on each other's shoulders within a trenchcoat to pretend to be a Big Joel (who is also Mrs. Kronk).
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I think the Peter Pan 2 line about how Wendy hasn't really changed after growing up is meant to reassure Peter that he doesn't have to be afraid of aging, that he can hold onto the most important/meaningful parts of youth without maintaining youth as your physical state, and I dig it.
Yeah, I've never seen the film but in the book when he sees the adult Wendy it is kind of melancholy and he's a bit of a dick TBH, it's cool they included that
Regarding the lines:
“You’ve changed”
“Not really”
I don’t think we’re meant to interpret that as “Wendy literally telling Peter Pan she didn’t grow and change as a person,” but rather, she is reassuring him that she’s still fond of him and the memories they shared.
(Edited for grammar and clarity)
Looking at it now (I haven't seen the movie since it came out), my thought was that people don't usually feel like they've changed, it's usually external observation
I assumed it was she's grown but she is still a child at heart
Like that Walt quote that goes something like "I don't make movies for children I make movies for the child inside all of us be they 6 or 60"
Like she still believes in happiness, dreams, magic and stuff
I’m not sure the scene with Wendy and Peter was supposed to be her “placating” him. I think she meant that at her core, she was still fundamentally the same, even if she’s grown up. A caring, kind, responsible, and hopeful woman, just as she was in her youth, even if she has a different outlook and responsibilities in life.
Glad to see at least 43 other people with basic media literacy...
I feel like it clashes directly with the concept of the first film
Doesn’t he literally say he’s not sure if the movie notices that
This opening has truly inverse-Jenny Nicholson energy, like a demon sought to create her polar opposite
Damn, that got me unreasonably excited 😂
he really said fuck the numbered list 😂
I was gonna say that Large Joe is stepping on Jenny’s toes with this video.
i love their friendship lol
but can Matter & Anti-Matter ever meet?
27:40 "It's a movie with 15 minutes of absolute perfection, and the rest of it just exists to haunt you." Basically described 90% of all things that feature Tim Curry.
He's like Nicholas Cage for gay vampires
@@LimeyLassen accurate... Extremely accurate. Might explain why I liked Renfield so much lol.
Hmmm... It, Muppet Treasure Island, Fern Gully, The Worst Witch, Red Alert 3, Scary Movie 2, Terry Pratchett's The Colour of Magic... I really think you're onto something
@@JPH1138 you leave muppet treasure island out of this
There are some exceptions. Darkwing Duck is one of them. Tim Curry was only in 2 episodes, and they're awesome, but the show itself is also great. With a few minor episodes that suck.
Disney is a bunch of cowards for not doing the actual 101 Dalmatians sequel, which is about dogs becoming sentient after humanity wipes itself out, and then they fight aliens in another dimension... or something. I don't remember the particulars, but it's absolutely insane what that author thought a sequel to a book about two dogs and a bunch of puppies should be about.
Well, to their credit, they did adapt the batshit sequel to _The Brave Little Toaster._
Oh wow, I just read the summary on Wikipedia. I had no idea.
That’s batshit! From a wholesome story to…the sequel, wtf was the writer on?
dogs are sentient. I think you mean as intelligent as humans
You call ;l them coward when you hide your face and write behind your keyboard
Okay. "A prince does not 'woo hoo'." may be one of my favorite things I've ever heard Sir Patrick Stewart say.
0:22 - Atlantis: Milo's Return
2:16 - The Lion King 1½
3:13 - The Little Mermaid: Ariel's Beginning
5:17 - 101 Dalmatians II: Patch's London Adventure
7:35 - Bambi II
10:36 - Return to Never Land
13:05 - Mulan II
16:18 - Pocahontas II: Journey to a New World
19:24 - The Fox and the Hound 2
20:37 - An Extremely Goofy Movie
24:04 - Tarzan & Jane
24:25 - Beauty and the Beast: The Enchanted Christmas
28:01 - The Little Mermaid II: Return to the Sea
29:13 - The Hunchback of Notre Dame II
32:10 - Kronk's New Groove
33:26 - Tangled: Before Ever After
34:04 - Ralph Breaks the Internet
38:45 - The Jungle Book 2
39:42 - Cinderella II: Dreams Come True
42:56 - Brother Bear 2
44:24 - Lady and the Tramp II: Scamp's Adventure
47:10 - Cinderella III: A Twist in Time
49:49 - Frozen 2
50:09 - The Return of Jafar
51:41 - Aladdin and the King of Thieves
52:07 - Fantasia 2000
59:58 - The Rescuers Down Under
1:01:47 - Belle's Magical World
1:04:51 - The Lion King II: Simba's Pride
1:05:25 - Hercules: Zero to Hero
1:06:51 - Lilo & Stitch 2: Stitch Has a Glitch
1:08:06 - Stitch: The Movie
1:08:27 - Leroy & Stitch
1:09:31 - Tarzan 2
hero! champion!
@@TomsThoughtsonThings thank you mr. grayson. doing my best
Thanks 👑
God's work
Thank you! You make the world better for being in it!
Starting off with Atlantis 2? Not even going to ease us into the trauma, are you?
At first I thought we were going alphabetically but yikes, it really is one of the worst.
Yeah I know. No lube or anything.
I have had several animation professors who worked on the late 90s/early 2000s sequels at the production studio “Character Animator” in Columbus, Ohio which unfortunately no longer exists. So I naturally have an affinity and weird desire to defend these god awful movies whenever they are brought up. Ultimately a lot of these sequels at the time were produced with a completely different pipeline than their theatrical releases- they were shipped out to dozens of third party studios and just cranked out with super limited guidance from Disney. But these movies were not made in a bubble, most artists understand the cards dealt to them and try their hardest to sneak the best work they can in the time constraints they have!
Well if theres any consolation, child me absolutly adored multiple of these sequels lol
shut up
yeah, the animation in some of them is pretty nice, if they were able to do their own thing instead of having to imitate movies with 4x the budget, I think those same artists would have done really amazing work.
They did have fairly large dedicated studios in Australia, Paris, and Japan.
Although now I as I understand it, something like Disenchanted is a totally scattered production
You mean Character Builders?
genuinely surprised to learn that folks saw Ralph as Vanellope's father figure, Ralph reads way more as a brother or even an older cousin character imo
Until the end where he's making slow motion goo goo eyes at her, and then they're going on double dates with Fix it and his wife.
That aspect of the second movie seems realistic, that she would get annoyed at how he keeps trying to create an emotional closeness she's not interested in, so she wants to get away, although not permanently, as he was a good friend before.
And... he's 30, she's 6. It's pretty weird to want to hang out and confide in a kid when you're almost middle aged.
Btw I didn't catch any of this when I saw the movie when it came out. It wasn't until I watched it 10+ years later with my kids that I realized Ralph, despite meaning well, is pretty effed up and needs therapy.
@@bluedistortions...sorry what? I had to rewatch the ending to double check this, but there's no double dates or goo-goo eyes.
As someone who watched basically all of "Lilo and Stitch" the series, I know a lot about the different experiments that are in that battle scene… "crab stitch" as you call him is straight-up a theme park ride that I guess travels around the islands and spins people around all day. You know like those twister rides you see at every cheap carnival? Yeah that's the one place where he belongs.
10 / 10 great material.
im only at wreck it ralph, but thank you for reassuring me that leroy is coming
Also the only reason Crab Stitch is that big is he got hit by a growth ray on accident. He is actually the size of a bug because he was created to crawl inside machinery and destroy it from the inside-out by snipping wires and stuff.
Lilo just decided to leave him that big and serve as a replacement for one of the carnival rides he destroyed. So yeah, theres a lot going on with him.
Joel looks like what I imagine some unhinged Greek philosopher like Diogenes would look like in this
in this... universe? century?
both work idk
Did you know, Walt Disney had a rule that he'd only ever want 34 sequels to be made for his moves, look up Walt Disney rule 34 for more information
Hahaha good one
Nice try buddy but everyone knows what happens when you put "rule" and "34" together
I was searching for it but I can’t find it. Also I ran out of tissues for some reason.
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Do you know why Irish bean soup has exactly 239 beans in it? [In extremely Irish voice] _Because one more would be too farty!_
About Aladdin King of Thieves, I actually believe Aladdin’s dad. The original Aladdin movie clearly showed a unfair distribution of wealth and power and he literally raided the royal family’s wedding. The people there were NOT innocent. They were the people responsible for upholding the social/economic hierarchy. I believe that Cassim is overall a good guy who is charge of a bunch of morally corrupt guys like Sa’luk.
Aladdin’s dad is basically Arab Robin Hood.
Yeah, I am a bit surprised Joel so uncritically criticized Aladdin's dad for that. I mean, some innocent people probably did get hurt, but it's difficult not to.
At the same time, I thought that was the point of the character. He wasn't a good guy. Then through the film he learned that a life of stealing gold was empty, what mattered was his family, and he'd made a HUGE mistake abandoning them. Aladdin is the hero saving him, in that sense.
@@MrGksarathy99% sure it was a vibe based joke
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I actually liked that Quasi doesn't end up with anyone at the end of the first. The entire arc of the first was about him moving past his dependencies on Frollo and on Esmerelda, his physical dependence on Frollo and emotional on Esmerelda.
Same, actually. They were EXCELLENT as best friends, such a great chemistry together and I'm glad her, Quasi, and Phoebus stayed just that - best friends.
@@Crasher1982Phoebus and Esmerelda were very much a romantic item by the end of the film.
That was the only real issue I had with how they ended up. I think quasi not ending up with Esmerelda makes sense and is probably the healthiest decision for them. But her and Phoebus getting together felt really weird and unnecessary to me.
@@bishielurfer Sure. I mean her and he stayed best friends with Quasi. I'm happy about that, they had great chemistry as BFF.
Doesn't Quasimodo kill Esmeralda in the original book?
@@michaelslowmin No, quite the opposite in fact. Though Quasi isn't necessarily a major character for much of the book; no, the book itself is entirely about architecture and the cathedral itself. Victor Hugo wrote it specifically because Notre Dame was crumbling, and he succeeded- our modern conception of historical preservation can be traced back to him!
Spoiler warning:
The book is a tragedy, Phoebus is evil and while Frollo is also bad, he's a complicated character who's trying to save his brother from a life of crime. Quasi has very few words spoken through the entire book, but my favorite character is the Hugo self-insert guy who loves architecture. There's also some incredible lines (as is typical of Victor Hugo), like "This will kill that, the book will kill the cathedral", in reference to how literature and public education removed the necessity for massive public works (architecture) for the illiterate masses.
Generally, if a movie is just a bunch of unconnected stories, it’s because they already tried to make a tv show but execs decided to not green light it. They’re not trying to segue into a show, they’re throwing together the studio’s garbage to try to recoup the money they already spent on it.
enter the Aladdin tv series ಠᴥಠ
The original Pocahontas was frustrating enough with how much it erased from Matoaka’s actual life story, but for the second one to romanticize her “marriage” to John Rolfe was honestly awful, especially when you find out that before her kidnapping, she already had a husband and a child among her people. She became so depressed after being held captive by the English for about a month that they finally allowed her sisters to visit for the express purpose of stopping her from offing herself. Her father was desperate to see her before she was shipped away but was never allowed to, so instead (following tradition) he gave a pearl necklace to her captors to then be given to her as a gift for her upcoming “marriage” to Rolfe. I’m assuming this necklace was the inspiration for the one in the movie which just adds to the tone-deafness of it all. Her story after she got to England was just a horrific tragedy.
honestly this, the Pocahontas original movie, and the sequel, some pretty blatant historical revisionism
The original was just as historically offensive tbh
disney should donate all the profits from those movies to the powhatan people or, idk, at least fund some native-DRIVEN storytelling for a change. i know it's only a matter of time before they come for everyone's culture (including my own) and i'm really just hoping they at least find it's more profitable to not be... THIS bad about it? but it's a corporation, they tried to copyright dia de los muertos, etc etc
@@CaramelsDen you might be shocked to find out every story Disney stole had darker tones and themes yeah?
in the little mermaid, she doesn't get her voice back.
she just effin dies, turns into seafoam.
unda da sea indeed.
ik Pocahontas existed, but ffs lol - kid's movies? yeah let's add slavery, Stockholm syndrome and depression mmm mm mm 👌 like a chef's kiss
@@TemmiePlays maybe they simply shouldn't've tried to romanticize a real life kidnapping of an indigenous woman. maybe you should get it through your head that adapting history isn't the same as adapting fairy tales. idk.
Athena's death was quite literally the most avoidable death in all of cinema
Fun fact: The “Pomp and Circumstance” sequence from _Fantasia 2000_ was mandated by Michael Eisner, then-CEO, against the wishes of the animators. He picked that song after attending his son’s graduation
Source: _Disney War_
good lord
LMAO i absolutely love this piece of Michael Eisner trivia. Truly a man who exists.
makes sense, very bad pick
Yikes
That whole book was infuriating to read. I've never encountered someone where I disagree with literally every decision that they've made.
I also found katzenberg to be very relatable in the worst ways possible lol
The comment about how bambi 2 felt like Lion King is really interesting because the original pitch for TLK was "Bambi but in Africa". So they essentially made Bambi 2 "Simba but in North America".
So....
Success?
The biggest irony with The Little Mermaid 2 is the fact that it's basically just The Little Mermaid but instead of child wanting to go from water to land, it's child wants to go from land to water. You'd think that Ariel would be more supportive since she went through having those same desires but in the end basically turned into her father. Oh yeah and the giant wall between the ocean and the castle they built after the fact is just hilarious. The apple really didn't fall far from the tree on that one I guess.
In all fairness, there was infact a sea-witch out for Melody's blood-- Still, good lord. Talk about cyclical trauma.
Honestly, I kinda like that about the sequel. It's very common for people to grow up judging or holding grudges against their parents for the ways in which they were treated when they were younger, but once they have children themselves they end up doing the same things to their kids. Though it doesn't mesh as well with the rest of the story, since there is a real formal threat against her kid in specific unlike in the first movie where the danger was more generalised and abstract, I do like that as a bit of characterisation for Ariel
Like Father like daughter I guess.
Next they'll reveal her grandparents and how they were birds who forbid her father from going to the sea and meeting a mermaid
@@ashikjaman1940 And then we cap it off with Melody's child wanting to become a bird and her forbidding them. Perhaps Ursula even gets a really pathetic brother or nephew, for flavour, y'know. It all comes back around.
the amount of adrenaline that courses through my veins every time someone talks about the Peter Pan sequel is enough to kill a horse
it's my favorite Disney movie
I gotta mentally prepare myself every time a Return to Neverland review pops up because they either just don't get it or they just disrespect it because it's a Disney sequel 😭 I'm a Return to Neverland defender.
i was crying while he was talking about it and he didnt even like it aksjfls
I have to admit, "Why would someone want to steal a glass case?" Got a genuine laugh out of me.
Big fan of a "Who's on First?" gag in any movie
@@Carlos-Mora It's a running gag in this movie that's meant to be a reference to the first movie's "Who's on First?" gag between Milo and Kida.
{Kida: Tell me more about your companions. Your physician, he is called Cookie?
Milo: No, that’s Sweet.
Kida: What is?
Milo: The doctor. He’s Sweet.
Kida: Oh, he is kindly.
Milo: No, no, no, that… that’s his name.
Kida: His name is Kindly?
Milo: No, Sweet. Well, I mean, he’s kindly, too.
Kida: So all of your doctors are sweet and kindly?
Milo: No. Well, l-I’m sure some are. Ours is, but that’s not a requirement. You’re missing the point.
Kida: You are confusing me.}
Man, this movie was so good...
@@whichcache2517 no, it is you who are sweet and kindly and good
@@felicityc Yup, that's my name.
Sweet Enkindlian Goode
@@whichcache2517 true story: my old neighbors named their first child Milo bc they both loved this movie. I always thought that was really cute.
I'm just going to assume evil enchanted Tim Curry voiced pipe organs keeping people miserable is how all Goth music is made now.
I really really like "Positive cinema sins" with Joel just listing off what sparks joy and makes him giggle with a litte plingading.
in that case you might enjoy this channel called Cinema Wins
@@zogwort1522 idgi
@@zogwort1522 or maybe he actually is capable of finding things he enjoys about movies, it sounds like you're just projecting
@@zogwort1522 he seems fairly thorough in his explanations to me
@@zogwort1522 I get the feeling whatever makes you like something really varies from person to person. I may not get like half of what they're referencing but one can still appreciate small references and details in a movie, which is what CinemaWins enjoys doing.
I think you may be overlooking stuff with the goofy movie sequel. The original was about Max and his dad fixing and reestablishing their relationship after what's heavily implied to be the death of Goofy's wife/Max's mother. It's never said out loud or directly addressed, but that is what the movie is going for.
The sequel is about Goofy needing now to not only allow Max to grow up, but also for himself to finally move on. It is why he has a love interest in the film. It's more than Goofy getting past empty nest syndrome but to get to a point where he can rediscover what it means to be himself, and not just Max's dad.
The real question is: was Goofy's wife Clarabelle the cow?
@@Backinblackbunny009 I hope so.
That relationship between Goofy and Max in the sequel actually reminds me of the way Adventure Time wrote Jake the Dog after his kids grew up. I think that show was actually trying to make the point that some adults never actually learn and can be pretty selfish even if they’re not intentionally harming their kids. I always appreciated it for sticking to that.
This was my thought too. There is actually a kind of byline that goes through both about the perception of children of their parents and vice-vesa. We just see that change as Max ages.
35:50 The three things I HATED most about Wreck it Ralph 2:
1. Disney made Ralph "dumb" for plot convenience when in the first movie when he stops and thinks, he's actually quite intelligent. Using the Diet Cola volcano as a makeshift beacon to defeat the Cybugs? That's smart thinking.
2. Vanellope was willing to ditch everything for Slaughter Race, even though they stated in the first movie, that Sugar Rush would fall to pieces without someone to lead them.
3: Vanellope was bored of Sugar Rush because she was always winning. She was using her glitch to win the races. Of course, you're going to get bored of racing when you use it to win. And as she said to Ralph in the first movie: "Don't worry. I got it under control."
It seemed more like a badly written fanfiction where Ralph and Vanellope were out of character throughout the movie.
Right! It feels like something I would read on wattpad
@@pastaraccoon1991 there's a Wreck it Ralph fanfic called Ghost Boy I recommend. That's what the sequel should have been. Miles better.
As a final sticking point, they gentrified it.
It was a film all about video games, characters and arcade culture, and it was beautiful in the context. Plenty left to explore in that, but they banked too hard on mass appeal, and instead made a mediocre movie about Internet Culture using the characters who deconstructed what it meant to be a hero and make authentic connections.
Parallels, I guess.
@@vjpearce I googled Ghost Boy and found a book about a guy who was paralyzed for 12 years. It really is a better sequel.
I feel like Wendy saying she hasn't really changed rather implies that she has, despite growing up and becoming a mother, retained a sense of wonder. She's still a child at heart - Her trying to convince Peter that the real world is like Neverland doesn't hold water for me :/
that's why she can still fly. how does nobody pick up on that? it's displayed in the Robin Williams Hook movie. when you grow up you can't believe in fairies which means you can't fly bc you lost the childlike wonder.
but Wendy was flying np
same.
I hadn’t really seen the phrase “Ok wokelet” anywhere before but it lives in my mind rent free now just the PowerPoint spin into frame makes me laugh so hard
my confession is that when i was a kid the only disney movie we had was a VHS tape of the Beauty and the Beast sequel that one of our relatives gave us for christmas. and i LOVED IT and for years (YEARS) that was beauty and the beast to me. it was only when my middle school put on the play version and i was like "wtf where is the fucking evil organ???" that i realized that what i had been watching was the sequel.
i was definitely the kid going around like "um, it's actually Stockholm syndrome," but based on totally the wrong movie 😭i never knew that was Bernadette Peters, though, that's pretty cool!
The belle n the beast sequel deeply encoded for me what real love is...rip
PLEASE this happened to me bc I had Mulan 2 on dvd. i figured it out literal years later when I was watching Mulan on TV cause i was like ok... I get she's saving China and all, but When do we get to the arranged marriage plotline????
This happened to me with the Lion King 2 lol
this is me with tarzan 2
It isn't a Disney movie, but this exact thing happened to me with Hoodwinked 2, leading to me defending that movie to the grave because I thought it was the original and watched it a thousand times as a kid.
My favorite scene in Tarzan & Jane is when Tarzan explains to Jane's high society friends how his parents got brutally torn to shreds and died in the corner of the very room they're currently in
Oh my God you've awoken a hidden memory. Lol
I like how openly lustful over Jane's husband they are
tbh I'm a Disney Hater but that thing you said about early disney movies being dreamlike got me interested. there's this one thing Jan Svankmajer, who directed a surreal adaptation of Alice in Wonderland, said about being disappointed that other adaptations interpreted the story as a fairy tale, whereas he saw it as an amoral dream. I find that so extremely crunchy. I'm kind of obsessed with that quality
ironically I think that quality can often be found in stories that *are* meant to have an extremely simple, clear, straightforward moral, because they don't just tell us what they want us to think, they invite us into a world built to make us think it. but in doing so, they complicate the point and allow us to ask questions that take us beyond the stated intent of the story. not to ramble too much, but I find it kind of affirming to think that a story cannot be just a moral. there will always be more going on than that, more to crunch on, to the point that a story can endure past its intended moral. I can't tell you exactly what Hansel & Gretel was written to say or whether it was meant to say anything at all, but I can tell you it has rattled around in my mind for my entire life
Yeah I think kids love scary and weird stuff and it's the adults who worry they can't handle it and make things tame and realistic
You should really check out Jean Cocteau's Beauty and the Beast!
@@camerondailey2627 I think you mean Cocteau lol
@@djvibekiller I definitely did lol thank you
The "Kronk's eggs property of Kronk do not touch except for Kronk" bit is one of my favorite jokes from a Disney movie
I think what peter pan 2's overall message was is that even after you've grown and gone through horrific events and become an adult, you can still retain the wonders of childhood shown by wendy flying as well as regaining it after losing it shown by jane
Honestly return to Neverland is a comfort movie of mine. Maybe it’s bc I relate to Jane who had to grow up too fast and was unable to really be a kid. And hearing her mom talk about Peter Pan obviously made her annoyed bc she can’t remember a world anymore full of magic and stories. Her life is centered around the war. The song I Try makes me emotional and just fits the movie too. It’s a redundant movie for sure but Jane resonates with me and I like how in the end she lets herself be a kid and believe (same result as the first Peter Pan). Like Wendy said “you may have grown up but there’s still a lot you don’t know.” Being an adult doesn’t mean you have to put away childish things and loose the magic
Mmmmm... no.
aight@@brookejon3695
@@lunarialoonatickinda cringe.
@@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon What a great argument. Must have taken all two of your brain cells for that one, huh?
My favorite part about Cinderella 3 is the fact that Prince Charming leaps out of a window with zero hesitation. It's a moment that has stuck with me for my entire life.
I'd just like to point out that the question of "How does attraction work in Brother Bear 2?" can be applied directly to Shrek. The difference is that Shrek was always an ogre and therefore either Shrek has an extraspecies attraction from the beginning OR that you should just be attracted to whatever you freaking want. It is a fascinating contrast and I'd love to hear it discussed.
Considering donkey and the dragon’s relationship, I think it stands squarely in the latter
Well, the other difference is that Shrek is a 10/10 DILF awooga awooga.
No, Shrek isnt a different species. He's a green bald guy with a Scottish accent, that's not like a bear who is not a guy, has fur and doesn't have an accent (Scottish or otherwise).
@@Chimera-man-man spoken like someone who's never set foot in the highlands
I think cross anthro atraction isn't that weird. Like if my ancestors looked at a neanderthal and went, damn that's a sexy person, I don't think Shrek and Fiona finding one another attractive that weird.
For stories like Beauty and the Beast one of the fundamental elements that people get wrong is that the Beast, aka the gruff jaded mean one, is the first person in the relationship to try and do better. He sees this girl just trying to be nice to him, not coming on romantically, but just showing him kindness and is able to recognize that his harshness is unwarranted. Then he decides to do better for her of his own volition (even if prompted by other characters), and when she sees his actual effort then she starts encouraging it and warming up to him. Sure they can have bumps along the way and old habits die hard, maybe he snaps at her or hurts her at some point, but the result should always be him being shocked and horrified at the result and needing to apologize and do better after. This is how a redemption story works, the character is jaded and mean but the kindness of someone else gets them to change themselves and be better.
People see stories like that and then make the jaded mean one an actual asshole with no empathy. Then they make the romantic partner be the one to initiate romantic feelings for no reason other than “I think I can fix them” and endure endless mean actions from the asshole (often times framing the nice one as stupid or belittling them) until at some point the asshole decides they like them back, despite how annoying they find them. There’s no redemption or examination of the asshole’s behavior, and ultimately the message is “endure abuse and eventually they will love you back” which sucks and is actually toxic.
Belle doesn’t have to love the Beast. When he shows he’s capable of being a good guy, when she actually sees him trying to do better, then she decides to reciprocate. She doesn’t even know about the curse or feel obligated to love him to save his life until he’s already sacrificed that for her. It’s a really wonderful enemies to lovers story and I hate how people twist it
Ive grown accustomed to bite sized Joels. This Joel is big enough to feast a family.
The trick is to start the video in the microwave and finish it in the oven
As someone who is so autistically obsessed with Hunchback of Notre Dame I disgaree with you IMMENSELY. The reason he doesnt end up with anyone in the film is because he doesnt in the book. Thematically, its because Frollo sees her as a devil and Quasi sees her as an angel, Pheobus is the only one who sees her as a human. Also, due to Quasi being so isolated, she is the only woman he even meets, so obviously he wouldnt end up with another woman. Also the statue loving a goat was a thing in the first movie too. Also Pheobus being racist in the second movie makes no sense. In the first movie his whole thing is that he isnt racist, but is misguided and following his superiors orders. He literally almost gets murdered defending a family from Frollos racism. The only good thing about the sequel is Zephyr.
Also, Frollo would rather kill Esmerelda than give her up or let someone else have her, so Quasi choosing to let her go is a direct foil to the villain of the movie, because he's the good guy! It's not typical for Disney so it might feel weird but once you think about it, her ending up with Pheobus was a really solid choice! Maybe even the only satisfying choice
@@misteryA555 I AGREE !!!
I feel like Ralph and Vanillope's dysfunctional dynamic is kind of realistic (like a single dad does a great job when his kid is young but as she grows up he doesn't know how to handle it and messes it up and traumatizes the kid). But it's not at all entertaining to watch, just uncomfortable🧍🏻♀️
I feel the movie would've been better if they treated Ralph like a boomer who can barely adapt to modern technology instead of a manchild who's so naive to function in real life
The problem is that it just doesn't work with Ralph. Ralph was nowhere this immature nor clingy, so it's extremely weird to see him turned into this manchild who doesn't seem to realize the severity of any of his actions.
my mother has been insisting that Zero to Hero was a real movie that she absolutely loved and i swore up and down she was crazy bc i could never find the movie anywhere online. you and dan just proved me wrong...
I'll say this, the sequel to A Goofy Movie wasn't supposed to be about max changing. It was a movie for parents, dads specifically. It was about letting go.
Well if it was supposed to make people feel incredibly annoyed, it worked. It may have a message but I can’t say it’s fun to watch!
You make a good point. But I'm not a parent unfortunately, and it's still a Disney sequel. It might hit harder if I was, but for now it's just kinda mid.
@aesiro13 No, I totally agree. It's not a great movie. But I was just saying that we weren't supposed to be on goofy's side. We were supposed to see him as an annoying dad who wouldn't give his son space and was afraid to let go, and that was starting to drive him away.
@@djhagrid300 Yeah, well put man, have a good day :)
@@aesiro13 Thanks, you too!
that segment on before ever after, as a fan of rapunzel's tangled adventure, was absolutely priceless. the way he just included it in the list without justifying that choice at all and dropped the hot take that king fredrick should die (he's right) and then moved on without a care. iconic. will live rent free in my mind forever.
freddy is the WORST and it really roasts my chestnuts that he gets forefronted over Ariana in s2 as the parent Raps cares about more somehow (and that the amnesia plot sidesteps him ever facing any consequences for how he treated Raps and Varian in S1).
love the show though even if i have my issues with it lmao
@@skyseer1735 fredrick haters unite 💪
I'm sorry Joel but the pause followed by "why would someone steal a glass case" was hilarious
Ariel's begining could've been great if it had half-siblings Ursula & Trition battling for the throne
There's definitely a longform tv prequel hiding in there somewhere
@@LimeyLassenoh it's been teased out a million ways from Tuesday in all the stage productions over the years.