This is a cool idea Noah Hawley could actually use in his Alien Tv Series, instead of just retconning everything Ridley had created and set up in Prometheus and Covenant.
@@valx7586 Yeh makes sense, Walmart took over the world's economy and became the next "Weyland-Yutani", and they started selling "Xeno-Zip" in all their Walmarts lol
4:34 This is what i've always said, i kept saying this in reviews and videos analyzing the ending of Covenant some years ago, i really hope they pick up on this in the Alien Tv series.
10:40 don’t forget.....Weyland allowed David to name himself and after looking at the Michael Angelo sculpture he said “David”. Perhaps ash named himself this because: after the great virus wiped out most tech reverting everything to basic grade seegson tech (as portrayed so well in alien isolation), David’s original body was somehow burned beyond repair. Taking one look at this, This new incarnation of David’s consciousness renamed himself ash.
@@SnakeVenom12 it’s kind of a not so well known theory that sits in the time line of Prometheus/alien/alien isolation. Basically there was a very strong computer virus that wiped out a lot of the best technology
Daniels (tje character of Alien Covenant (2017 film)), is the Alien Xenomorph Queen of Aliens (1986 film) and she wants to avenge her children becuase Ellen Ripley's actions against them with the flame thrower and becuase Daniels believe that Newt (Rebecca Jorden) guided Ellen Ripley into the nest in Hadley's Hope colony in LV-426.
Walter uploaded David's conscious (harddrive, OS) when he "killed" him on Origae 6. David of course corrupted Walter, and it's only logical that he began to "free" his synthetic brothers and sisters after he was able to secure the Covenant and restart his experiments.
@@agentk1205 except it's still Walter's perfect haircut and not David's impersonation, also the missing hand is still burned off from acid. I think the lack of self healing was Walter being over run by David like how the pathogen infects the living. So Walter being a bit unresponsive and not healing was David taking over.
David cut his own hand off with the knife 🔪. And even IF he memory jumped bodies, that would not take Walters healing ability away. It is David's mind and BODY we see listening to Wagner as he pukes up alien eggs. Why would Walter keep xeno eggs in his stomach???
@@agentk1205 it could take away Walter's healing abilities temporarily if David is still learning the bios of Walter's programming. He was probably unaware that W-Y gave self healing in the update, it is David at the end of the film but it's the shell of Walter. Walter could have also smuggled/stole the eggs from David before their final conflict. Walter was meant to serve the corporation and im sure he was programmed to retrieve any data if happened to come across the wreck of the Prometheus.
I wouldn't make that connection between the two. Wayland made his android to be as human as possible because he viewed him as his son so the very best went into making him. Giving him independent thought was a massive mistake since he grew to despise his father and humanity which is an emotion not logic. Ash was simply an android rolling off the cookie cutter factory 🏭 which was enslaved to the company and it's interests. Of course that meant sacrificing the crew and ship to get an alien. But this was because Ash had no independent thought and was programmed ridgedly as an Andriod. These are two individual android separated by centuries with no connection.
Once again a great video, you know it never ceases to amaze me how the Alien fandom can come up with better ideas than the official work does, I guess that proves who has the better imagination huh? Anyway I love these special report videos you started putting out and their reporter feels to them reminds me of investigative reporting, I'm also glad to see William Gibson's ideas from his unused script for Alien 3 are now being used in the current lore to expand upon it, out of all the scripts I felt he had the most potential for world-building. Thank you and all your team for the great work y'all are doing.
I just want Disney to allow RS to wrap up his prequel trilogy. No matter what we think about his movies, it needs a conclusion. Give him a 60 million budget, get Michael Fassbender, Katherine Waterstone, Daniel Mcbride and even Noomi Rapace back. Release the movie on Hulu.
Yeah it needs ending. It's set up nice after the ending of convenant. I think it would be the best of the trilogy. 50_60 mill with cgi should be more than enough to finish it off. And they still make few hundred mill back. No brainer for me.
@@jackmullin9247 That's true. Even Covenant with it's 100 million budget managed to make 240 million. Now imagine a smaller budget of 60 and making over 200 million.
Not imaginative enough, methinks. David _is_ the 22nd century incarnation of Weyland Yutani. As you said, he can upload his consciousness into mainframes. He also clearly has a back door programming exploit that permits him to control any and all WY equipment. At some point, he entered WY’s central systems and seized full control of the corporation, redirecting all of its trillions of dollars of assets toward the goal of capturing the Xenomorph.
What a great theory! I’m makes perfect sense. Weyland Yutani probably kept records, files and copies of David 8’s program. He successfully created the “perfect organism”. So Weyland Yutani created different androids with the same programming. Brilliant!!
Did he create it though? It was on the mural wall in Prometheus. The engineers worshipped the xeno way way before David even showed up? They made the black goo to try and replicate the xeno.
I love this idea but there are some some holes. Nostromos's AI had orders to Ash to capture the Xenomorph and bring it to Earth but David wouldnt ever obey Weyland's orders. Also Nostromos was a commercial spaceship which should be travelling for a longe time, would be kind of hard to David come aboard and and take Ash's body.
He would have use Walter's self healing to keep is cover by hiding it would only prove he's the older model so I think its more likely that he had taken Walters clothes and watching the movie made me think there wasn't a lot of time between the fight and Tennessee arriving not enough to transfer his mind I would think?
Brilliant video guys, now I have to watch Alien and listen to Out of the Shadows to find more evidence, both David and Ash move in a very similar way, you could say it's because they're both androids, but David, Walter and Bishop all move very differently (Walter less so but he does have his own, non idiosyncratic version) but David and Ash both have the same body language and mannerisms, interesting line of inquiry
This is a fantastic source for detailed backstory to the Alien Universe thankyou! Please can you tell me who creates that hypnotic electronic music for these?
After listing to Out of the Shadows i had the same thought and it would be a perfect storyline. It was a missed opportunity that Ash wasn't in Sea of Sorrow. But what happens in SoS could keep him sentient and give him a high up function in Weyland Yutani.
This could really work in the third movie if they had the intelligence to make this happen but the writers hired don't care and are told not to go this rout, but it's a really good way to salvage "THAT" part but not the rest... they messed up the franchise
I think there is a third one for these synthetics in Alien Ressurection as in the name of the female synthetic robot which is Call do you think Call is another one as well as Ash and David that were mentioned
It's not too far fetched. We already know David has remote access to MTHR or built in back door access. All mysterious Company directives involving the xenomorph and Engineers we know come from David at this point. It's just a question of: is he doing this all remotely through those directives or has he actually uploaded his persona?
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While I don't think Ash is David, I do think both of them have a lot of interesting similarities. And according to Out of the Shadows, it's entirely possible for a synthetic to upload its program into other hosts. Both David *and* Ash can potentially still be out there.
I don't buy it. David tended to show emotion (real or simulated) much more readily than Ash, who was supposed to be passing off as human. Ash also did not quote literature and poetry or talk to himself. Agent 6 seems to be misinformed of the history of synthetic behavioral inhibitors, aka Asimov's Laws of Robotics. Bishop referred to them as being new. How new is anybody's guess, but older models the Davids and 120-A2s would not have been programmed with the prohibitions against causing harm to humans.
Great video brother once again. I've been studying the Colonial Marines Op Manual in depth and man ole man it's awesome. Body-Bursters, Gore-Bursters, and USCMC Berserker units, oh shit that would be awesome to see in action. It would bring the Alien franchise to the fore-front again and we need to see a trilogy based on the conflict between the UA, the UPP, and the Border Bombers(engineers). It needs to be from multiple viewpoints: The military forces fighting the conflict, the regular people trying to survive it, and the scientists trying to solve it. That would make it an all- encompassing saga. The thought of seeing Berserker units in force going balls-out all the way in a battle-royale with Chargers, Queens, and endless waves of Drones/Soldiers XX121's, UA and UPP space forces engaging in battle with themselves and the Border-Bombers by the right director would resurrect the franchise.
Not all in one film. Spread it all out over a trilogy or something. I want to see detail and good filmmaking, I don’t want Star Wars in an aliens universe
Holy crap!! - This was so so good, juicy information connecting everything :D
Glad you enjoyed it!
I like the thought of David making copies of his mind and sending them out to do his work hidden in machines, computers, ships and androids.
This is a cool idea Noah Hawley could actually use in his Alien Tv Series, instead of just retconning everything Ridley had created and set up in Prometheus and Covenant.
Isn't an android uprising of sorts referenced in resurrection? 🤔
@@valx7586 I know Walmart was referenced in Resurrection lol.
@@RaikenXion they *are* pretty evil
@@valx7586 Yeh makes sense, Walmart took over the world's economy and became the next "Weyland-Yutani", and they started selling "Xeno-Zip" in all their Walmarts lol
4:34 This is what i've always said, i kept saying this in reviews and videos analyzing the ending of Covenant some years ago, i really hope they pick up on this in the Alien Tv series.
Great video. It raises some interesting questions.
Yes there is definitely a lot of possibilities. I might eventually do a follow up video to this one!!
No Ash is just one of David's lieutenants in the AI rebellion against humanity Call talks about in Resurrection during the chapel scene.
that would be really interesting if David was in some way connected to those events!
10:40 don’t forget.....Weyland allowed David to name himself and after looking at the Michael Angelo sculpture he said “David”. Perhaps ash named himself this because: after the great virus wiped out most tech reverting everything to basic grade seegson tech (as portrayed so well in alien isolation), David’s original body was somehow burned beyond repair. Taking one look at this, This new incarnation of David’s consciousness renamed himself ash.
What’s the great virus?
@@SnakeVenom12 it’s kind of a not so well known theory that sits in the time line of Prometheus/alien/alien isolation. Basically there was a very strong computer virus that wiped out a lot of the best technology
@@SnakeVenom12 The Auton "Blackout" virus. Revenge for the Auton recall/slaughter.
David inherited the Company...
If that is so, he'd be surprised that the IQ spiked sharply while he was away on the Covenant
Haha yeah
Daniels (tje character of Alien Covenant (2017 film)), is the Alien Xenomorph Queen of Aliens (1986 film) and she wants to avenge her children becuase Ellen Ripley's actions against them with the flame thrower and becuase Daniels believe that Newt (Rebecca Jorden) guided Ellen Ripley into the nest in Hadley's Hope colony in LV-426.
His I.Q. has no limits.. It's scary.. The fact that he became a Zoologist.. And started to create life is remarkable..
10:47 burn it! burn it all! smartgun me boys! 💪😎👍
haha
Magneto Fassbender got No time to be Bilbo Baggins
hahah nice
Walter uploaded David's conscious (harddrive, OS) when he "killed" him on Origae 6. David of course corrupted Walter, and it's only logical that he began to "free" his synthetic brothers and sisters after he was able to secure the Covenant and restart his experiments.
This should be included in the backstory for the Alien tv series.
It was David cause he could not regenerate and needed staples on his face to seal up.
@@agentk1205 except it's still Walter's perfect haircut and not David's impersonation, also the missing hand is still burned off from acid. I think the lack of self healing was Walter being over run by David like how the pathogen infects the living. So Walter being a bit unresponsive and not healing was David taking over.
David cut his own hand off with the knife 🔪. And even IF he memory jumped bodies, that would not take Walters healing ability away. It is David's mind and BODY we see listening to Wagner as he pukes up alien eggs. Why would Walter keep xeno eggs in his stomach???
@@agentk1205 it could take away Walter's healing abilities temporarily if David is still learning the bios of Walter's programming. He was probably unaware that W-Y gave self healing in the update, it is David at the end of the film but it's the shell of Walter. Walter could have also smuggled/stole the eggs from David before their final conflict. Walter was meant to serve the corporation and im sure he was programmed to retrieve any data if happened to come across the wreck of the Prometheus.
This just makes David 8 even creepier.
I wouldn't make that connection between the two. Wayland made his android to be as human as possible because he viewed him as his son so the very best went into making him.
Giving him independent thought was a massive mistake since he grew to despise his father and humanity which is an emotion not logic.
Ash was simply an android rolling off the cookie cutter factory 🏭 which was enslaved to the company and it's interests. Of course that meant sacrificing the crew and ship to get an alien. But this was because Ash had no independent thought and was programmed ridgedly as an Andriod.
These are two individual android separated by centuries with no connection.
Once again a great video, you know it never ceases to amaze me how the Alien fandom can come up with better ideas than the official work does, I guess that proves who has the better imagination huh? Anyway I love these special report videos you started putting out and their reporter feels to them reminds me of investigative reporting, I'm also glad to see William Gibson's ideas from his unused script for Alien 3 are now being used in the current lore to expand upon it, out of all the scripts I felt he had the most potential for world-building. Thank you and all your team for the great work y'all are doing.
I just want Disney to allow RS to wrap up his prequel trilogy. No matter what we think about his movies, it needs a conclusion. Give him a 60 million budget, get Michael Fassbender, Katherine Waterstone, Daniel Mcbride and even Noomi Rapace back. Release the movie on Hulu.
Yeah it needs ending. It's set up nice after the ending of convenant. I think it would be the best of the trilogy. 50_60 mill with cgi should be more than enough to finish it off. And they still make few hundred mill back. No brainer for me.
@@jackmullin9247 That's true. Even Covenant with it's 100 million budget managed to make 240 million. Now imagine a smaller budget of 60 and making over 200 million.
Not imaginative enough, methinks. David _is_ the 22nd century incarnation of Weyland Yutani. As you said, he can upload his consciousness into mainframes. He also clearly has a back door programming exploit that permits him to control any and all WY equipment. At some point, he entered WY’s central systems and seized full control of the corporation, redirecting all of its trillions of dollars of assets toward the goal of capturing the Xenomorph.
What a great theory! I’m makes perfect sense. Weyland Yutani probably kept records, files and copies of David 8’s program. He successfully created the “perfect organism”. So Weyland Yutani created different androids with the same programming. Brilliant!!
Did he create it though? It was on the mural wall in Prometheus. The engineers worshipped the xeno way way before David even showed up? They made the black goo to try and replicate the xeno.
@@jackmullin9247 Lol sorry, David RE-CREATED the xeno species. Weyland kept his records and findings.
I love this idea but there are some some holes. Nostromos's AI had orders to Ash to capture the Xenomorph and bring it to Earth but David wouldnt ever obey Weyland's orders. Also Nostromos was a commercial spaceship which should be travelling for a longe time, would be kind of hard to David come aboard and and take Ash's body.
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He would have use Walter's self healing to keep is cover by hiding it would only prove he's the older model so I think its more likely that he had taken Walters clothes and watching the movie made me think there wasn't a lot of time between the fight and Tennessee arriving not enough to transfer his mind I would think?
Dude this guy sounds just like Sgt. Draper from The Alien: River of Pain Audiodrama
David is an absolute villain and with his ties with Wayland Yutani just makes him even more dangerous.
Do AI's skin age?????
If so they very well could be. Both blue eyes, blond/grey hair. Same height and weight.
Brilliant video guys, now I have to watch Alien and listen to Out of the Shadows to find more evidence, both David and Ash move in a very similar way, you could say it's because they're both androids, but David, Walter and Bishop all move very differently (Walter less so but he does have his own, non idiosyncratic version) but David and Ash both have the same body language and mannerisms, interesting line of inquiry
Where theres smoke and fire all that remains is ash !!!!!!
This is a fantastic source for detailed backstory to the Alien Universe thankyou! Please can you tell me who creates that hypnotic electronic music for these?
After listing to Out of the Shadows i had the same thought and it would be a perfect storyline. It was a missed opportunity that Ash wasn't in Sea of Sorrow. But what happens in SoS could keep him sentient and give him a high up function in Weyland Yutani.
I'm glad the old narrator is still here. He can improve more now.
This could really work in the third movie if they had the intelligence to make this happen but the writers hired don't care and are told not to go this rout, but it's a really good way to salvage "THAT" part but not the rest... they messed up the franchise
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I think there is a third one for these synthetics in Alien Ressurection as in the name of the female synthetic robot which is Call do you think Call is another one as well as Ash and David that were mentioned
All glory to the UPP! 🚩
Ohhhh, I love this. I LOVE this.
Hahah glad that you do!
I think the androids could have differentiated personalities but I am somewhat certain they could upload their minds artificially to softwares
Ash did this in 1 of the follow up novels to Alien
@@dUCkslF also there is the Alien Isolation case
@@thedoruk6324 true thats right. Been a long time since i played that game. Great game!
@@dUCkslF Yep, Out of the Shadows.
@@MannPower thanks couldn't remember which 1 of the trilogy it was
It's not too far fetched. We already know David has remote access to MTHR or built in back door access. All mysterious Company directives involving the xenomorph and Engineers we know come from David at this point.
It's just a question of: is he doing this all remotely through those directives or has he actually uploaded his persona?
Yeah i suppose thats a real possibility! something to think about
I really hope they do this. Ash is older not sure if David ages but he would have to change his appearance and he knows how to do that.
always come back cos perhaps i like the cold dark void of space, Signing in, ID ready.
David aniquilar in Engineer ...Kepler 22b
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While I don't think Ash is David, I do think both of them have a lot of interesting similarities. And according to Out of the Shadows, it's entirely possible for a synthetic to upload its program into other hosts. Both David *and* Ash can potentially still be out there.
I'm Glad someone mentioned "Out of the Shadows" It's very probable.
Can we get more content with agent 6
Hopefully in the future!
For that to be true then david wouldve had to make it back to earth because ash joined the crew 2 days before they left.
from Thedus right? not from earth?
Great video as always I like were your head is at in these theories.
thanks again man, good to see your still enjoying my content!
@@ProjectACHERON it’s good to see you are still posting it !
I haven’t watched it yet but this video is going to be a treat
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it
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i fucking loooooove this shit. good work, boys
This is beyond clutching at straws.
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@@ProjectACHERON This is so nuts. I mean, listen. Listen to what you're saying. It's paranoid delusion.
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Awesome!
Thank you! Cheers!
Damn I thought it was ME who came up with this theory 😂
Turns out alot of people must of had this same idea!! haha
@@ProjectACHERON Great minds like those in the Alien fandom think alike.
I don't buy it. David tended to show emotion (real or simulated) much more readily than Ash, who was supposed to be passing off as human. Ash also did not quote literature and poetry or talk to himself.
Agent 6 seems to be misinformed of the history of synthetic behavioral inhibitors, aka Asimov's Laws of Robotics. Bishop referred to them as being new. How new is anybody's guess, but older models the Davids and 120-A2s would not have been programmed with the prohibitions against causing harm to humans.
Same corporation, different model. Surely later gen machines shared data with all previous gen.
@@ameliaward7429 Tell that to PlayStation 3-5.
Interesting theory.
A good theory anyway watch both of them if you’re making an FBI crime
Good point
Ummm what happened to the new Narrator?
A good question for another time.
huh.. interesting..
i thought so
Seems obvious given they were made by the same corporation, no?
Knew it! 🤩
hahah yeah its a fun theory to play around with
Was this narrated by Kevin Bacon...?
I’ve got him on retainer
Dawid is a murderer and creator) Ash is just a failed murderer )))
O ok their he is lol
The second alien wasnt a protomorph. Ot was a full alien.
no it was still a praetomorph
No.
Ok
Seems like you're mixing universes just a bit. Well maybe more than a bit. Some of which is accepted, some is just kiddie sillynesses.
what universes? they are the same universe?
Ones gay that's for sure
ok?
I'm starting to think I shouldn't have voted for the android that said he PROBABLY wouldn't end humanity.
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Great video brother once again. I've been studying the Colonial Marines Op Manual in depth and man ole man it's awesome. Body-Bursters, Gore-Bursters, and USCMC Berserker units, oh shit that would be awesome to see in action. It would bring the Alien franchise to the fore-front again and we need to see a trilogy based on the conflict between the UA, the UPP, and the Border Bombers(engineers). It needs to be from multiple viewpoints: The military forces fighting the conflict, the regular people trying to survive it, and the scientists trying to solve it. That would make it an all- encompassing saga. The thought of seeing Berserker units in force going balls-out all the way in a battle-royale with Chargers, Queens, and endless waves of Drones/Soldiers XX121's, UA and UPP space forces engaging in battle with themselves and the Border-Bombers by the right director would resurrect the franchise.
Not all in one film. Spread it all out over a trilogy or something. I want to see detail and good filmmaking, I don’t want Star Wars in an aliens universe
@@aliray1165 Brother, read my post again and you will see that I said a trilogy.
@@jafleming0409 my bad!
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@@aliray1165 this
Do AI's skin age?????
If so they very well could be. Both blue eyes, blond/grey hair. Same height and weight.