LiveScope Perspective VS. Mega 360 - Garmin VS Humminbird
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- Garmin's new Panoptix LiveScope Perspective versus Humminbird's Mega 360 Imaging Sonar! Which one are you going to choose? In this video I compare them both!
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In general, the TI units are faster in response to inputs. This is seen when quickly switching between sonar, downscan, chart, and split screens th-cam.com/users/postUgkxeAxH15LxhjGlg5-CRYqjTGTEH0tbY4vk recommend The Hook units will show some lag on button pushes and screen switching. The big ticket item though is maps. If you install a mapping card such as Navionics or the free C-Map Genesis which has a lot of map detail, then moving around the map with the cursor or when running down the lake can lag significantly on the Hook units, but is seamless with the TI units.
I know this is an older video but I am just getting back into fishing more seriously now that my girls are raised. When I slowed down my fishing in the 80's the hot new unit was the Hummingbird ID which was an LCD that would show red for fish. Getting back in now i am blown away by the progress made in sonar tech. This is so far the best video i have seen breaking down some of the differences. Thanks
Glad it helped!
That was awesome👍🏼, you explained the two very well. That helped a lot.
Glad the video helped you out!
Wow! Amazing video comparison of both units. Didn't even know Garmin had released their perspective mount. Heard Mega Live was just announced this past week and am waiting to see what it offers. Thanks again for all the work you put into this. It was extremely helpful!
Hope to do a Mega Live VS. video as well
Thanks for this video, it's probably the best and most informed comparison I've seen. I would love to see both of these units showing the same image. I think that would be the most valid comparison. If someone has them both on their boat, lets see what they are both seeing. I can see the benefits of each and of course the benefit of having both, but if you're a weekend warrior and not getting paid to do this stuff, you might not be able to justify hanging $10,000.00 off the front of your boat so it may be a one or the other decision. Seeing them side by side, showing the same structure, fish, topology, etc., would be very beneficial for us to see the difference between these two and make an informed decision.
Agreed...on the water footage of the same object will really be huge. My intention was more to compare the technologies against each other. Of course on the water could either confirm my suspicions or prove me completely wrong!
My buddy has both on his boat. While the 360 is really nice, the Live Scope offers a big advantage to seeing what the fish are doing in real time. Lawren got it right when comparing image quality. They are two different technologies. The biggest downfall I see to the Live Scope is when you need to turn the TM which this video covered as well. I am putting the Live Scope on my boat next week.
Loved your explanation for the picture quality between live scope and 360 imaging
👍 glad you liked it!
Thank you for this video. I've often wandered about the need for both. I'm currently running the 360 simply because I had the graphs. If you're just fishing the 360 works fine, if you're into video games you'll like the LiveScope.
Yeah both are different and help in certain situations. LiveScope changes the way you fish for sure (and not saying that's a good thing, but it's true).
Awesome, I agree
This is so well done. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
As usual amazing video Lawren!
Thank you!
I have a kayak spot lock . its a bow mounted unit. My livescope will be mounted on its own arm were i can rotate it manually. Great perspective video
I think the best way to mount them is on another pole rather than the trolling motor. On most boats though this is an inconvenience as it ties up one hand to operate it.
I initially bought the livescope ice fishing bundle last fall. But I recently picked up kayak fishing for trolling for walleye. I also pole mounted the transducer and it works great. Today I updated for perspective view and made a bracket out of an aluminum bar. I haven't seen much video on perspective view and I'm curious how it's been working.
Best comparison and explanation I have seen!! 👍
Thank you!!
Great comparison and explanation. Thanks
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Thank you!
Build yourself a mounting pole out of PVC for the Livescope. That way you aren't limited to your trolling motor direction. Game changer.
For sure! Can't wait for a motorized one
Like the review. I would clarify that if you mount the garmin on a independent separate livescope pole from the trolling motor then it doesn't have to follow the way the boat faces or moves. Further spot lock and where you point your boat doesn't matter for the direction of the livescope image as you can direct that separately.
I'll just wait 5 years and then both will be obsolete and then I can afford them.
haha!
🤣🤣🤣🤣
by that time they will have superscope that find mermaid and atlantis.
All The fish will be caught bye then😭
Haha!
Great comparison!
Thank you!
good job dude. U r the only reliable source on this topic.
Thank you!
Excellent, clear descriptions of the pros and cons. I am now subscribing to you.
Many thanks for your clarifying work !!
just jim
Thanks for the sub!
Very helpful great video ty
Glad it helped. Thanks for watching
Great analysis
Thank you!
I believe the biggest mistake any livescope user can make is to attach it to the shaft of the trolling motor.
Wow garmin live scope tilled sideways on a kayak would be amazing. You can quietly roll up to a spot and see fish and cast right to them. Since its probably gunna be a fix position pointed forward in the bow of the kayak you get an amazing view. But since a kayak is much smaller and so maneuverable, with such a wide field of view it wouldn't make it that bad at all. Definitely going to consider this for my kayak now. Now if garmin decide to create a true 360 version with a true round sonar it would be next level game changer.
Did you try this? I'm trying to think of the best way to rig my hobie adventure island pedal kayak. Live scope perspective view would be amazing.
@@anonymous_friend no I have not, but I didn't realize you could tilt the unit side ways. It might not be as effective in deep water but cruising around the bank in 12 feet or less water hunting bass would be amazing.
Loved the NASCAR analogy, in fact , if that was from his 2012 victory at Michigan, I was there! LOL
Haha nice! That was Talladega 2009 when Jamie McMurray won. The fall race. Single file around the rim until the last 5 laps. I don't miss the COT at all :)
Totally agree! COT SUCKED!
I wish I just had one on my boat. Both that would be insane. Great comparison
Agreed! One would be great, but both awesome! Glad you liked the vid!
I went with mega 360 I fish mainly bass and I think seeing the cover and structure is more important that my lure or fish. But I am impresses by the live scope perspective mode I did not know about that and I can see that being a huge help and comparable to mega 360
I think Mega 360 for structure and LiveScope in forward or down mode is best. But putting both on your boat gets expensive so it is nice that Garmin has this option. And Mega 360 does a good job of marking fish, but just not in real time like LiveScope
One important difference in performance to note. Garmin Perspective gives you a 50ft range vs. Humminbird Mega 360 at 125ft. Perspective would be great for video game fishing and shoreline structure, and Humminbird for more offshore structure. I'm leaning towards Mega 360, but it's a close race!
Yes for sure! Great way to put it
I just added a detachable mount with shaft, kinda like a trolling motor mount but a lot smaller with a turn handle on top to point the livescope in whatever direction I want. I have a mount on my trolling motor as well so if I know I'm going to be fishing very windy conditions or rough water I use the add on mount if normal conditions I use my trolling motor mount. Not hard to do and when using spot lock you can look anywhere you want with it and no problem. I don't mind the extra work or little bit if trouble changing over when I get the money at the end of the day... Like I said not really any trouble and works great... Unlike 360 the Garmin is real time and you can see the fish react to your bait and that give you a lot of info at times. Enough to make the difference in getting a paycheck or not.
If you don't mind the extra work/time a pole mount makes then it's a great option.
Great vs review!
Thank you!
I think both ... I was thinking that way already ... but humminbird one boat network... and garmin at the bow only .. thx
Humminbird/Minn Kota have really got the one boat network thing down. They do it the best for sure!
Best video yet!
Thank you!
I love your videos. Very informative.
Thank you!
Great video 👌
Thanks 👍
I have a 360 hb, it is excellent if you are only looking for structure view, but as fishing I really don't recommend it all. HB as long time they should upgrade their technology as what Garmin did with livescope perspective even so they didn't do it as 3D or mark fish with different color like Lawrence 3D. I am going for livesscope because we need to know as a fish movement direction with bait. good job man
I like the idea of fishing being a different color like Raymarine and Lowrance did with their 3D
Interesting, I just put all new electronics on and went with the new Lowerance Elite and their live. User interface is the simplest vs. Humingbird and even Garmin.
I agree...Lowrance has the easiest units to use these days
Hey Lawren, just love your videos! If one were to use both on the bow, would one need to be on a pole, or could both be on the trolling motor? Also, just curious, what trolling motor are you using. Thanks.
Yes you could mount both on the trolling motor if it is an Ultrex. The Garmin Force or Lowrance Ghost don't have a mount you can buy out of the box, but I am sure something could be fabricated to run the "Ultrex Mega 360" on the Force or Ghost. I have a Minn Kota right now.
I'm going to be running both. To start with, I have the livescope mounted to the barrel of my trolling motor head.... until a perspective bracket comes in.
One limitation I can see coming with the perspective mounting (on trolling motor shaft) is that the livescope transducer most likely will contact the 360 transducer if the trolling motor is raised all the way up. The only remedy I can tell for now is to further limit the height the trolling motor can be raised in shallow water...... Or modify the 360 mount so that transducer is further from the trolling motor shaft.
Don't forget all of this together will be the weed catcher 5000..... another drawback, but so worth it!!!
hahah "weed catcher 5000". That is a downside for sure that is rarely talked about, but like you say, its worth it!
I think the livescope is more effective mounted on a separate pole or mounting system for the reasons you described
Agreed, however not convenient. That is why most bass pro's haven't adopted that setup yet.
Side Imagine (SI) on the trolling motor is extremely beneficial. The video failed to mention that the M360 also works in SI mode. Additionally, you can purchase a Down Imaging mega + unit, add mega 360, and essentially upgrade that unit with a y-cable giving you SI/DI+/2D/M360 at a major cost savings. Oh, and Humminbird's new 2D is a low Q HW true CHIRP with these units. Mega 360 works extremely well in shallow and deeper water (I've tried up to 35ft deep, looks amazing!).
Many people get around spot lock with a separate mounting setup for livescope. This can be annoying to constantly adjust the direction but it's effective.
The Mega DI+ units will show SI with the Mega 360? I know the SI will do that, but seeing how this isn't a network source I would be surprised if that was the case. If it is that's great though!
I am in the market to upgrade..I bought a new boat Oct 2021..it came with a helix 7..I want 360 Down imagery and Side...I don't know enough to know What I don't know ..
Lawren thank you the comparison. I like the Humminbird because of its clarity and their customer service. The livescope is too fuzzy for me. Lowrance is out of the question. That company will not assist you in your time of need. And I was a long time customer who became a "throw away".
I agree if it is detail you are after Humminbird is the way to go. They are the only ones that I am aware of that repair units as well. The others just replace so it can get expensive if past warranty. And Lowrance only services for 5 years after initial purchase. After that its "Nothing I can do for you!", which I don't agree with as well.
The question I have that has not been answered in this video or others that I have watched. I understand how they can be used for fish finding but can these systems be used for sailboat safety. For example; if you are for an anchorage for by boat in the Bahamas where the waters are shallow and grounding is a real threat. Can I use these systems to spot danger ahead in time for me to stop or maneuver the boat if the water becomes too shallow or a coral head pops up? Great job on the video covering this amazing technology.
You do the greatest job i have ever seen on TH-cam explaining things. I watch them all over and over. Thank You. Why would you chose the Garmin at the console verses the humminbird. I only ask because I very seldom fish from my bow I am always more comfortable fishing from the rear sides of my boat. Guess getting old and can sit done easier if need be
Thanks for the kind words! I personally prefer the Garmin for their operating system over the Humminbird. Personally I wouldn't buy a Solix system as my main one because of how annoying they are to use. And I wouldn't buy a Helix system because they aren't touchscreen. I don't really like Garmin's menu system either as Lowrance's is by far the most well thought out menu. But they don't have the same sonar abilities of Garmin or Humminbird.
Again this is all just my personal opinion and its not right or wrong, just my thoughts/feelings. Humminbird sells a ton of Helix units because there are a lot of people who disagree with me on touchscreen and prefer to have a non touch unit. In that case a Helix main system and a Garmin up front with Panoptix Livescope would work.
Give me an apple phone and I find it so frustrating to use because the Android system makes more sense to me. The next guy will be the opposite.
My recommendation is always to get to a store that has all the units on display so you can play with them. Then decide which technologies you'll use the most based on how you'll fish. My videos are always coming from a tournament/serious recreational bass anglers perspective because that's how I think. A walleye guy or a salmon trolling guy would be able to use the same units, just differently. Hope that makes sense :)
@@InDepthSonar I love touch screen in every way on every thing. Last year I bought the Solix12 and a Unterra112 because of the deploy and spot lock. During this winter here was getting the winter itch and I bought the 360 and mounted it hasn't been in the water yet. Then last week I bought a Solix10 because it was Si-Di G2 for under $1900 new in box. How I am thinking of selling the Solix12 and buy the Garmin. But I don't like standing for hours up front. Just getting to old. So placement might need to be all in back area some how This can be very indictive with all the toy options
Have you had any Problems with ghosting on LiveScope?
On another subject, who has the best side scan/ down scan?
Yes seen the ghosting a few times.
I think Humminbird has the best SI and DI. Garmin a close second with their new GT56UHD transducer
Lawren, I need to locate a sunk boat in about 75' of saltwater. The current varies from slack tide to about 4 knts in this area. If I was just drifting in my search boat, would moving at the currents 4 knts provide the speed needed to get a good screen shot? Which unit do you think would be both easiest to use and most accurate in this situation?
4knots will put you right in the ballpark to get a good image. If the boat is large you'll find it even if you are going faster. If it is a small boat (under 15') speed will be more crucial.
Any of the units out there today will do what you need. Lowrance Active Imaging will give you the best detail over the largest distance. However, Humminbird and Garmin will provide you with the highest detail, but won't go as far as the Lowrance while maintaining detail.
Pair the mega 360 with an ultrex mount, and then get a transducer rod for the live scope. That way you can spot lock, which doesn't effect the 360, and use the transducer rod to point the live scope where you want. Also, most people don't know this but remote controlled transducer rods are in beta testing currently.
What brand had the remote control rods in testing? I've been waiting for this
@@InDepthSonar I'm not sure it has a brand name yet. My dad is a crappie fishing guide and he got offered to beta test it. I'll see if I can find out.
Yeah that would be awesome. I've been dying for that to come out
Most people with spotlock puts there LS on a separate pole so you can point anywhere no matter where your TM is pointing
Yes its an option, but not really practical for a bass boat or tournament fishermen.
With LiveScope you use a second pole mount...just like 360. This way it doesn't matter where your trolling motor points.
Yeah... Read the comments for my thoughts on that. It's an option for sure though
Thats why you use a Cumberland crappie livescope mount. Turn the trolling motor as you wish separately from your transducer
Yes those mounts help for sure. I am waiting for a remote controlled one
Livescope tells me it is there then I head towards it live and catch it no guess work
For sure! Definitely they way to go if you can only have one of them
If you’re not a tournament angler, Garmin is the way to go......but both is better
*I had nothing but troubles when I installed the panoptix in boat with two new Garmin fish finders **allabout.wiki/iz8t** lost sonar this and that .. after doing a lot of reading this thing needs to be direct to battery not to fuse box or spliced into a hot wire . I took everything apart today hooked it up to a stand alone battery and not one error at all . I might get a kayak battery just for this to run on . going this weekend to big musky lake I can not wait !!!!*
Great Comment! Number 1 Star
It will be cool to see on the water video. Have you started boating season allready?
Not yet. A foot of ice on the lakes still
Can livescope be through hull mounted? I have a hobie kayak, and dont want the transducer hanging off the side.
You could rig something up, but then you'll have to turn the entire kayak to point the transducer at a object. The over the side option is much better
I have Lowrance HDS Carbon units as my main (hoping to get the Active Target) and have a Helix 10 G4N with Mega 360
That'll be a nice setup.
@@InDepthSonar thanks!
Does your perspective change now that there are moveable shafts that are not connected to the tolling motor for the LiveScope, allowing you to be more mobile on the direction it is pointing regardless of the direction of the tolling motor?
Yes and not. Personally for bass fishing I don't find those practical so we're stuck with the trolling motor issue. However, if you can handle letting go of your rod to adjust the pole, then obviously it removes the issue I mentioned
My problem is, when I have spot lock on, you don’t get a picture like you would like when you’re cruising along slow
That shouldn't change...in fact it should be better when you are stationary on the 360. The LiveScope will give you just as good an image, but when you are moving there will be more things changing on the screen (because its updating) and could appear to give you an easier to understand image
You don't have to mount the livescope transducer on your trolling motor. You could have separated mount for lvs32, this will solve the issue mentioned in your video.
You don't have to, but really the trolling motor is the most convenient place as it keeps your hands free. I personally know 1 person who has used a second pole and everyone else hasn't. So I don't think the majority is there yet.
Exactly why I use a pole for livescope
That solves the problem, but not practical for tournament bass fishing at this point yet
The point about the difficulties of having the Livescope LVS32 on the trolling motor whilst spot locking for example is easily fixed - you use either a retail prong or make your own (easily) and have complete control from the helm. The smart money is having fully control over the LVS32 - I could never see the sense in having the transducer on an electric motor with spot lock and heading lock etc... Cheers
The video (like all my sonar videos) are done from the perspective of a bass tournament angler so additional poles are practical to mount or use in that application. For other applications a pole may work, so for us the problem still persists
@@InDepthSonar I see Lawren. Fair call mate. Cheers
Ok, I'm in. Now that Garmin has the GT56 transducer, I've decided it's time for a full upgrade. Garmin at the bow and consul for sidescan , charting, 2D, etc. HB with 360 at the bow for the 360 only. AND, my frustrating MG Xi5 goes away and in comes a new Garmin Force TM. Love the MG Xi5 in every way except that foot pedal, that thing sucks. Otherwise, its a great TM but you have to have a good foot pedal.
Did you end up getting a Force TM? If so, any thoughts/review? I am going all Garmin graphs, but I found the Force TM foot pedal to be very tight/small. I have a size 12 foot...not massive...and my foot (in a deck boot) hang over the pad and accidently pushes buttons. Inadvertent button pushes can be dangerous, so it has given me serious pause on the Force. I might have to go Minn Kota due to the better (safer?) pedal. Unfortunately, I'd lose the networked boat. Tough call.
@@54Burg yes, got it. I'm a size 11.5 shoe. I can't use my normal big shoes very well. I either go shoeless, or I use a pair of Vans which have a small sole. Either works very good. Having the TM networked isn't much of a benefit for me. I've played with that, but I don't use it as networked when I'm fishing. In other words, I don't control my TM from the graphs. That just proved cumbersome. Though if following a contour line from the graph, it would be necessary. I decided I didn't need/want to do that.
My only complaint with the Force is that when I spot lock, it backs up to where I was some seconds prior. It's annoying. To cure it, I hit spot lock, wait a few seconds, hit it again to turn it off, then turn it on again. That seems to keep it from backing up. My motorguide TM was much better with it's spot lock. I'll give the Force a B. It does not deserve an A.
both... and Lowrance for my mapping
That's the best setup for sure.
Great info. I have two scopes and a helix. Looks like I’ll be gettin 360
Why two LiveScope? Front and back?
Lawren Wetzel well, I tried that. Now I have both up front for a 40 degree cone, instead of 20. I primarily got it to have a back up.
I would put one in perspective and still might, but pretty convinced that mega 360 will me more useful
Nice! I like the idea for the 40° angle
Will the Mega 360 work on the Solix G1?
Yes, but only when Mega 360 is connected to a Solix G2 and then it would be shared to the G1 over Ethernet
If you ran both were do you connect the garmin transducer if you already have the meg 360 connected to your Min kot
You'd connect it directly to the shaft of the motor below the water line
Absolutely great video.
We have a MEGA 360 with a Solix 12 G2. It is great for following schools of crappie. My brother-in-laws fish spawn in the Mississippi Delta. They are looking for individual fish around a tree. I recommended that they look at the Livescope. I would love to have one but not enough to pay for the transducer and head unit. If Humminbird comes out with one compatible with my Solix, I will definitely consider it.
Very cool! It's so awesome to see fish moving with both these systems
Livescope with the high resolution 8600 series screens gives the best images
Yes
and so the next move for Garmin is to make the transducer so that it can be used with the trolling motor dictating its direction or independently of the trolling motor direction. Get the engineers on that one.
You can do that now by mounting the transducer on a pvc pipe and not on the trolling motor. Seen a few videos where guys just do that and turn it to the directing they want.
It's an option for sure... But I'm not a fan of something the ties up a hand when you are fishing. This is where Garmin's gesture control remote could come in handy maybe?
Now this video made my wheels spin I have had a Solix12 with you guessed it 360 . Not even used to its full potential yet I was looking at live scope last week. Well I wanted a second unit and just yesterday I found a great deal on a brand new Solix10 ,I had to have it. Its shipped. NOW I see this and want live scope. But I can't return the 10. So Now I'm thinking sell one of the Solix units and buy the live scope. Thanks for a great Video
Thomas Bridges where’d you find the deal? I’m in the market!
@@kylecoen4689 I have a Solix 12 Mega Si-Di and thinking of selling it. It has 4 hours on it. You interested
Thomas Bridges that’s a little big in size for me unfortunately
Thomas Bridges where’d you find the 10?
Sell on of the solix units how much would you ask for one
I'm thinking I may need to run both too... got the nice deal on the garmin UHD 93sv and planned for Live scope as future upgrade. Also going with the minn kota terrova 55 w/ iPilot. But the MK won't follow contour maps without a Hummingbird! Thus, may need to run both... Oye... going to have to sell the tractor... if I still have a wife... ;o)
LOL yeah both are nice, but can be difficult on marriages haha
I’ve purchased the live scope and im not getting the same footage as you’ve show. Im not sure if im using right or what!
It's possible you have a problem or the transducer isn't positioned correctly
Great video. I do have a selfish question for you. I could care less about fishing, as I'm a diver who treasure hunts on my local lake. I'm looking to invest in some sonar this week, and am looking at buying a hummingbird unit to get it. Would you have any other suggestions, as my primary concern is resolution? Thanks!
Humminbird or Garmin and you can't go wrong. Get the Mega SI+ or UHD for the best detail
@@InDepthSonar I went for the humminbird solix with the mega si+. Will arrive Friday. Looking forward to finding some lost treasure next week!
You can run 360 with G2N helix units also I have 2 10s
Have you tested or know anyone with both running at the same time to see If one or both gets interference?
Yes I know several people who are running both without a problem.
Hello, I’m curious out of the three which do you think would be best when you combine open water and ice fishing needs. These units are expensive and I’d like to get one I could use for multi species trips both on the open water and ice.
Also any tips on wiring or setting up transducers to go from the boat to the ice?
Livescope is really good for ice fishing. That's for sure.
Go Livescope for sure. It will be much more useful for ice fishing
I heard on a garmin page that they are coming out this year with a version of their own 360 imaging.
that would be big if they did
@@InDepthSonar its true
Which just means humminbird with come out with a live scope.
Have you heard if anyone has had issues running the 360 and Livescope simultaneously?
You'll be fine. There are many doing it without any issue.
have livescope mounted on an independant free spinning pole. 2ez
Yes that's an option, but another thing to worry about controlling so not really practical for bass fishing
Looking forward to the March 2021 hummingbird launch of their new live product.
Can't wait!
@@InDepthSonar Lawren, as I currently have bow mount Mega-DI 3GN and dash Mega-SI 3GN, was looking at upgrading to Ultrex with possibly Mega 360. didnt know about Humminbird new product in March. Where can I get info on that product?
Jim, as I currently have bow mount Mega-DI 3GN and dash Mega-SI 3GN, was looking at upgrading to trolling motor to Ultrex with possibly Mega 360. didnt know about Humminbird new product in March. Where can I get info on that product?
Nowhere right now because there isn't much on it. Google Mega Live and you'll get the little that is known about it
MEGA 360 Pod will provide Side Imaging on the HB control head!!! It stops the rotation of the pod to Give a very good MEGA SI image RIGHT AT THE BOW. great for SI small areas with your trolling motor. no additional equip needed. I have Solix mega + SI units. I have seen it wok on Helix mega + DI unit, but verify this for your self. RMP put a video out.
Yes you can use the Mega 360 as your SI source, but you can't use it at the same time as 360 so it's one of the other. The MDI+ units won't show SI unless you have the Mega 360 plugged into a MSI unit which is networked to the MDI unit
Since I don't tournament fish for a living or for fun, I'll just get the Mega 360.
Its a great choice!
If you only had the choice for one which one would you invest in ?I only have a Lawrence Ti now and want to upgrade but the investment of two is to much for my budget for my 14 Jon boat 🤷♂️🤷♂️??
I'd do an echomap unit and the Livescope. It's the most versatile between the two.
@@InDepthSonar can you please give me some guidance on a unit I might invest in the Echomap I willing to invest $2300-2500 or do I even need to invest that much? I've looked at this bundle Garmin Panoptix Livescope LVS32 System with Echomap 93SV UHD & GT54UHD Bundle and I also have an XI5 trolling motor
I am driving myself crazy trying to decide the electronics I want on my new boat! I've fished for years however never had my own rig so haven't had a ton of experience playing with the sonar units on my friend's boat. I am intrigued by both Panoptics and Mega 360. I can't decide if either are worth the money for someone who only fishes for fun 2-3 times a week max. Primarily for largemouth. Here's my question(s) about 360. Is is worth it or someone like me? Or is it better to just get a quality downscan/sidescan unit? Do you need two units on the bow? Every video I see seems to have two? Can you toggle between 360 and other views on one unit? Thanks for any guidance you can offer.
I would get a sonar/GPS first, then SideScan, then LiveScope, then 360. But it all depends on how you fish so your order may be different. Anything is better than nothing so if you get LiveScope over 360 its not a bad decision and if you get 360 over LivesScope that's not a bad decision.
If you fish once a year both technologies are worth it, if you can afford it. It really comes down to how much you want to invest in it personally.
You DO NOT need two units on the bow. I have run two before on several boats, but you can easily get away with one unit. I ran one unit on my last boat and it was an 8" screen and was enough for Panoptix, SideScan, GPS etc.
Great comparison... but would the Livescope have great image offshore in depth up to 50ft ?
Yes it will work great in those depths. Anything under 120' is fine from my experience, but the shallower the better but still more than 15' deep.
@@InDepthSonar Great.... Thanks
Most people get rid of the direction view issue you talk about by not mounting the LS on the trolling motor but instead on its own poll.
Yeah, but that's not practical for a bass boat. It ties up another hand to move it so the issue remains for bass fishermen, who this video is meant for
Zhou are assuming all sonars are mounted to the trolling motor.
Yes. Where bass fishermen put them
So what uour saying is I need both of these.
Yeah... Sorry lol
Hi!
I would like to ask which one is better now?
Nothing has changed between these two since the video was posted
Im not sure why garmin hasn't made thier own 360° version. Im sure they can make an array that covers the whole 360° that would be the ultimate fish finder. Or hell give is the option of buying multiple and link them series so we can create our own custom angles. That would make not only make them the leader but the commander and chief of fish finder technology.
Do you believe Lowrance has better SI? Why would you choose it over humminbird?
I think Mega SI from Humminbird is best today. I prefer Lowrance for their GPS and ease of use over the other brands. Their 2D sonar is also one of the best today
What can you see if the water is stained or dirty? Does that matter?
It doesn't really matter. IF it is extremely muddy it may have a slight effect on the LiveScope, but Mega 360 would be fine.
Lowrance Ghost needs hummingbird 360 system. Why don't they get it done?.
They tried to follow Humminbird with their SpotlightScan transducer. It failed. Now they are trying to follow Garmin with their LiveSight transducer...again same results as SpoltlightScan. Hopefully they can begin to innovate again very soon.
Will the Lowrance TI handle C-map software? What do you recommend?
I believe there are some CMap cards that will work with the TI however everything I've seen the Navionics is better
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Thanks, I follow your channel and have learned some things about my TI.
Great content! I would like to have Mega 360 at the bow and side view at the helm with great mapping. Is this possible with a price tag of $3,500. If so what units would you recommend?
You could be close to that budget if you did a pair of Helix 8 units and Mega 360.
@@InDepthSonar Thank you I very much appreciate the reply.
Just use a livescope pole mount and point it where you want it.
A pole is an option, but not to a tournament bass fishermen, which this video and all my videos are from that perspective.
Live scope prob best just connect it to pvc an aim it the direction u want to fish win win
Yeah, but so much of a hassle that way. I agree that is the best way to do it, but not practical on a bass boat. Until somebody comes out with a good remote controlled option I don't think you'll see the pole gain popularity in the bass market
mount your live scope on a remote controlled wand
Too much of a hassle in my opinion to do that, but it is an option that solves the problem I talk about. I don't know of any high level bass tournament guys doing it due to its downfalls
I just got both and cant wait to get on the water!!!
Nice! Best of the best today
I think the hummingbird is more useful for bass fishing. Finding underwater cover and structure seems more important to me than watching fish strike my lure. Although the live scope would be great for finding schools of fish.
Both different tools for different ways of fishing. No right or wrong, just whatever works best for how you fish is what you should get in my opinion. Or get both and have the best of everything!
@@InDepthSonar having both would be awesome for sure! I have a buddy with live scope. Mounting the transfer on the trolling motor has some big disadvantages. Every time you turn the motor you lose sight of what your looking at. So he mounted on a pole and it’s attached to the boat with a ram mount. It works but it doesn’t look very good in my opinion.
Yeah I agree with the benefits of the pole but find them too annoying to use and they do look ugly
Lauren are you in WI? If so, where do you fish generally?
No I'm in Ontario. Fish the Toronto area
Put livescope on a fixed pole on side of boat and you can can control in manual vs trolling motor. Easy fix! Livescope all day
RKF Rolando's Kayak Fishing that’s what most crappie anglers have been doing
I'll have to take a look at that one
A lot of crappie guys do this. I have my scope on a separate pole. The only issue is that you are not fishing with the hand that adjust it
Wow how about tune the contrast on the live scope...Damn..
Right!!!