I have the older Garmin ps22 and caught a lot of fish because of it and can't hardly wait to use my own livescope. Livescope is the best I've seen yet... Used a friend's, pulled up to a bridge and thought that one side would have a lot of fish on it and was surprised to see nothing on it. Went to the other end and could see that they all must have migrated there for it was loaded up with fish. Had an awesome day. Thanks Garmin.
Sometimes it's NECESSARY to jump ship... I've been a Lowrance user for 30-yrs and it's A M A Z I N G ! ! ! What Garmin has to offer V.S. Lowrance... I'll have a " LiveScope " on my boat next season. I'm waiting til February just in case something NEWER comes from Garmin, and the Sportsman's Show SPECIAL... This was an EXCELLENT Video. I wish you were here in Portland Or. I'd pay for on the Water training, you seem to understand this product front and back. Thanks Again...
I have the Garmin with 9" Echomap and love it! Detail is amazing. Range is exceptional. After watching the video, I honestly wouldn't waste my time with the lowrance. I would feel like I am drunk looking at that blurry screen for hours. Is the Garmin more expensive? Yeah. But if your trying to save dollars, why are you even looking at these sonars? Go buy a Humminbird Helix 7 if your on a budget. I switched to Humminbird for open water years ago. Had Lowrance and think they have been doing nothing but catch up for the last 6-10 years.
I have always used Hummingbird, after this, going Garmin, I will be very upset if Hummingbird comes out with this technology soon. This is clearly the best comparison with these products, awesome work, thank you!
I haven't heard if they are going to have anything soon. However if they do and it is as good as LiveScope they are really going to give Garmin a run with Mega 360 and a Real Time sonar option. Then they'll just need a good touch screen unit to go with it
I'm running the Garmin LiveScope and the Humminbird 360 at the bow. It's the best of both worlds! If I had to choose, it's GARMIN hands down over everyone.
The history lesson was great. Just speculating here, the LV32 is named as such as there are 3 transducers (3 surfaces) to be used for forward or down, hence the 2. The images from the 3 are stitched or compiled together and the position of the transducer determines down or forward and not specifically one of the sides. LV12 is one transducer hence the one, but can be used forward or down (the 2) and why it’s essentially a third of the price. You get what you pay for seems to hold here.
As everybody else has said, Thank You! Im getting ready to upgrade to the new technology and I really wanted to see side by side comparison before I spend 2500 plus. Im all about the Garmin for sure now.
Ive been a lowrance user for over 20years but I decided to switch when I asked a rep with the live scope work with my Gen 3 that I bought not so long ago.I asked them if they were bought by Apple or something when he said no I had to have a one of the newer units. Also by looking at the live sight vids I'm totally shocked that they would release such crap knowing it looks awful. " Your going tobe able to see the fish tails moving" yeah right. They should have done way more with it before releasing it
One of the most impressive things I found while researching for this video was the wide compatibility that Garmin offers for LiveScope. Its amazing how many units work with it. Nice to see them future proofing older products.
Good info... Garman seems to have it, but I still can't afford it, or even the Spot Lock type trolling motors..... Just have to fish the old school way....I'm happiest when I catch fish when I don't know for sure they are down there. If I win the lottery with a bunch of money to burn, sure, I'll get the latest and greatest. My Garmin Striker 7 plus, was a big $$$ item for me.... My wife thought I was wasting our money....but I still haven't mastered it, but I like it enuf, that Garmin is my forever choice in fishing.
The Lowrance come angle is 40x90. Garmin is 130x20. That alone is the difference in clarity, the Lowrance, width-wise, is showing you twice the information. Not saying that’s better or worse, I think that’s purely subjective.
For sure. I agree that the Lowrance will give you much more coverage in the water column but you will sacrifice bottom detail. Its like using your traditional sonar on 83kHz vs 200kHz. You see more fish and better arches on 83, but 200 is more detailed. Based on this I think the Lowrance will give you a better chance at seeing your lure coming back to the boat.
Have been watching ICAST and waiting and waiting for Humminbird to compete. It is interesting to see the patent infringements and who has sued who. Come to the conclusion that Humminbird is trapped in the patents. You have put together the best video comparing Garmin to Lowrance. Big question is where does Humminbird fit in. I love my Mega DI/SI but Garmin will soon own the front deck unless Humminbird gets with the program. Thanks again.
I think the Mega 360 they have where they fit right now. But I think you are right. Stuck between patents is right!. I bet they were happy that the Power-Pole patent was up so they could come out with the Raptor
I just installed a Livesight transducer and took it out this weekend to try out. Is it Livescope no, its more like the 2nd gen panoptics. I think you are right. The angle and transducer are the difference. Garmins transducer is 3 different angles and Lowrance looks like one. I am looking at this transducer as another tool to add to my belt. Great video man.
I own all Lowrance gear, HDS gen2 9 and 7 and HDS Gen3 12 with 3D transducer. Have the motor guide xi5 with pinpoint and I am going to buy a Garmin They are far advanced graphics wise. I called Lowrance a couple days ago to give them the opportunity to convince me to stay and they had nothing. The Ghost trolling motor was on my to buy list this year as well but they skipped the remote control. I’d have preferred to stay loyal but when you’re not keeping up with or at least close to the competition then you’re going to lose. Also as a side note Lowrance said no military discount Garmin said yes. That may not be a big deal to most but I think it’s a nice thing. Goodbye Lowrance and hello Garmin.
When you are at the top its easy to fall to innovative technologies like Garmin has. Hopefully Garmin can continue to maintain their position by constantly innovating. Lowrance is going to have to introduce some very innovative and effective sonar options to try and get that top spot back. SpotlightScan and LiveSight haven't done that so far.
Really informative video. No contest on the comparisons, Pan Livescope clearly better. I'm thinking ahead to open water fishing, not just ice fishing. Last summer was unproductive due to the fact I had limited time to get out and find fish so results were hit and miss. LVS gives you the ability to find numbers of fish faster for more success. I don't keep a lot of fish but 1 or 2 for supper is always good. It's a game changer.
The Garmin LVS 32 is better because it's image is clearly better than the Lowrance. The whole purpose of buying these units is to get the best view of what's going on below the surface. Garmin wins. Case closed.
The reason why Garmin is coming out swinging is they dominate the saltwater market. Not just for fishing boats but a multitude of sizes and types. They take what they learned from salt to fresh and I'm sure the dominance will be established in the freshwater market. Are they expensive? Maybe. Is the cost worth it.... Yep. I have yet to buy a boat however considering the performance of the Garmin units I'd go with them. Also Garmin came out with it's own trolling motor they are super quiet.
The curved image is because of distance traveled by the sound waves. The unit is focused to give you the best image at the center of the screen much like my day to day work as a phased array ut tech the only exception is in my unit for looking thru metal for imperfections I can adjust each element to fire at different times to account for that. I can do that because it’s a known thickness they can’t because the water depth is changing all the time and if the did the technology that it would take no one would ever be able to afford it.
I'll buy an LVS32 in 4-5 years when the price comes down. The Raymarine CHIRP unit I paid $900 for 5 yrs ago, u can buy today for around $450 now. I'll wait it out this time.
You could easily test the theory regarding AHRS, by simply mounting the transducers to a board and resting it on the end of a jetty, or some other means of fixing the transducers.
Great review - On a tight budget - I have an echomap plus 74sv unit but was hoping with more competition that Garmin would be lowering the price of it's older Ps30 transducer. ( Maybe someday 🙏🏻)
Doesn't look like are going to lower that one any time soon. I agree though, you'd figure they would, but its so different from LiveScope I guess they are thinking they are both high end products for different markets
Really well done! I liked and subscribed. Just bought a Helix SI 10 MEGA last year, so I am hoping Hummminbird jumps on the wagon with their version. Thanks.
A seemingly clear comparison, yet in the comments there is a bit of contradiction, you praise the Lowrance in the comments, but clearly criticize it in a forthright, concise fashion in the video. You should redo the video, in my opinion, to truly reflect your opinion.
Bottom line. LiveScope is better at detail and design. Lowrance would do a better job at fish detection due to the wider beam. Both would have application, but I'd buy the LiveScope hands down for all applications.
I bought two HDS 9 Live units right before the Livesight transducer was released. I was sold based on Lowrance’s teaser videos. Boy was I duped. Now I’m selling both units. I would go Garmin but their mapping is horrendous where I live and Navionics doesn’t sell a map card for Garmin that covers my area. So it looks like I’ll be going with a couple of Humminbird Helix 10’s and 360 imaging.
Lawren Wetzel I’m jealous. Lol. But my Navionics card in my Live units works great for mapping. I just wish Lowrance hadn’t dropped the ball with Livesight.
Great video! I have livescope and a echomap plus 92sv. I dont get that great resolution you see in the video, but i guess you dont get that in a echomap plus. Which Garmin unit is used in your video?
The EMP is a lower resolution than the GPSMAP 7608 I am using, but it's also under half the price. You still get an amazing image on the EMP units compared to other brands attempt at Real Time sonar
can I ask you your opinion on who has the best side-imaging? I have hummidbird Helix10 Gen1, and I can never see individual fish in the screen as dark shadows, the way other people see them. But it looks like i can see brush piles just fine.
Seeing fish on SI isn't really what it is designed for. Humminbird SI is the best I have seen for marking fish. I think Humminbird Mega SI and Garmin UHD are the best. Lowrance's Active Imaging is also quite good, but I prefer CHIRP to their non-CHIRP AI
A video on the patent wars between the three companies would sure help to put it in perspective why Humminbird has not/can not come out with a competitive technology.
Yeah for sure! We know Lowrance got the rights to Panoptix through a settlement. Then Garmin came out with LiveScope LOL. That would be a very cool video though. Could go back to Side Imaging with Humminbird
Awesome job finally someone who did the work I have no clue about but helped me to to understand it better, I love the Garmin even though I have a Lowrance TI 7,either it's not in the budget, but I do love that Garmin 👊👊🍺🍻👍
Is there any innovation or quality upgrade on the Garmin Livescope system that you've heard of coming down the pipeline that would make you advise to wait 7-8 months, vs buy now?
3:05 LVS32 Xducer Is plug & play with the 8600XSV Series without needing the GLS10 Black Box Sonar. So the cost is $499 to add that Xducer, not $1499. Compatability = Garmin Wins!
This is incorrect. The LVS32 must always be connected through a GLS10 box. The LVS12 will plug into the 8600 series and echomap Ultra 10" and 12" unit. The difference is the angle on the LVS32 vs LVS12. I am pretty sure I covered that in this video.
Thanks John! I enjoy watching your videos! You do a great job. I was in Zambia a couple years ago so I love seeing that type of landscape in your videos.
Screen resolution isn't talked about much at all anymore in sonar units. For the most part they are high enough for what they do even on the low end scale. The only major exception I have found to that is the Garmin Echomap units, especially the touch screen ones. They are noticeable lower resolution than the comparable models. Back in the day when you went from 240x240 to 480x480 it was a massive difference your your eye. going from 800x480 to 800x640 isn't as much of a difference to your eye for the most part. Until you see a unit that is so much clearer than anything else you don't really notice it. Go look at a HDS Live 9 and then a 7 or 12 and you'll see how much nicer that screen is.
Awesome video, wish I had of seen it before I went out and bought a HDS live12. Is there any talk of lowrance upgrading the livesight transducer? Or should I just sell the HDS and get a Garmin?
I have heard there is talk of a newer Livesight coming, but nothing firm. They did just put a $300 mail in rebate on it so maybe something is coming sooner than later
Neither company repairs units. They just replace them. Lowrance you can send back for 5 years. Garmin as long as they have the ability to replace the unit.
Not sure if you still check these comments, but it appears that the 73CV is not compatible with the "Livescope" just the PS22 (which the just call panoptix). Is this right? I think your video says the 73CV are compatible with the Livescope.
It all depends which 73cv. If it's the echomap 73cv, the echomap chirp 73cv then yes you are correct. If it is the echomap plus 73cv or echomap Ultra 73cv then the PS22 and LiveScope will both work.
I'd look at the 8600 series personally. I like them because they have the fastest processor in the. The Echomap Ultra units are good as well, and the 942xs or 742xs if you want to keep the price down. Also, depends on what else you have on the boat and what plans you'd have to add more Garmin units in the future. You'd want to consider those things for networking in the future
@@InDepthSonar but it’s been out publicly already, as in today. Compatible with G3N, G4N and Apex models. Mounts to trolling motor shaft or 3rd party options. Mega imaging+ up to 150 ft. Three viewing options, forward, down and landscaping. No need for a sonar black box, connects MEGA live via ethernet connection
I am in Northern Ontario. I will be buying a old town 120 pdl kayak. My budget is $1000cdn. I will be fishing for walleye, speckles, lake trout as well as ice fishing. Do you have any suggestions for a fish finder?.
quick question, i just bought a Garmin 1042xsv and a 1022, however, im holding out on the livescope due the inability to mount it to my Minn Kota Ulterra TM. (the one that self deploys and trims) Any suggestions?
There are a few boat mount options you can get like this one www.geigertecmarine.com/products/mega-mount-with-directional-50-handle-billet-universal-transducer-mount
Question, which of these to units are better geared/preferable for trolling deeper lakes ranging 80ft to 350ft? Species targeted salmon, trout, walleye. Any opinions appreciated, thanks...
I would say Lowrance LiveSight is going to be better than Panoptix LiveScope for that. You'll have a wider angle with the LiveSight which you need for that type of fishing. The Garmin PS30 or PS22 would also be good options.
Great video. There is no comparison. Lowrance wasted a bunch of time and money with this product. Should have waited till they had something better. You don’t see TH-cam fishing videos with people bragging about Lowrance Livesight
Its going to be ok in those depths. I would buy the LiveScope because of the new Perspective mode they just came out with. That is going to be ideal in 15" and less. Search my channel for that video.
I hope lowrance releases a livesight gen 2 sometime soon without the need to use a module for 3D as well as the pic being better for livesight like it is in the most expensive Garmin unit in this video. I am a lowrance fan and don't wanna switch! As well, I hope they soon release a 72" ghost TM so I can replace my MG Xi5. Any idea Lawren if any of this is coming out soon?
I think of anything like that comes out in 3 weeks. It will still need a module and won't be anything better than LiveScope but will be just as good. Haven't heard of a 72" Ghost coming anytime.
I am looking at purchasing a 93SV Plus with GT52 Transducer(currently on clearance) to mount on trolling motor as my only unit on the bow. Am I going to see the same images on that unit as depicted in your video? If not what do you recommend?
You will only get the Real Time sonar images if you by that unit along with the LiveScope System $1499 retail I think. I think the 93SV Plus is a great choice to pair up the LiveScope with
Great review thanks. Any suggestions on the best sounder for deep water, say 600 - 1000ft? I assume these live scope sounders will be useless in deep water???
Similar but it mounts to a pole, trolling motor shaft, or trolling motor barrel. I think there is a transom mount available, but would not recommend that.
using panoptix myself for ice fishing and the MAKES VEXILAR AND MARCUM BOTH OBSOLETE !!! Just wish i would have waited a little longer and picked up live scope instead
@@InDepthSonar Yes I'm just a bit confused with Garmin because they say on their site (under the specs for their trolling motor) that their warranty will cover it for saltwater use but I always thought it was clearly built for freshwater use.
CaptainBax If you use it in saltwater, it just needs a good wash when your done, I’m not sure why they initially said freshwater only, but it’s safe to use the Force in the salt👍
@@Smokeyr67 Yes I thought that would be natural thing to do Shane when you're washing down the rest of your boat. My biggest concern would be whether or not the Stainless Steel and other components used in the construction are up to the task of a saltwater environment, is the stainless steel used a high grade stainless or not ?. Specs said it's for "Freshwater Use" and only later did they add that the warranty will cover for saltwater use. Sorry it makes me think that it was design for freshwater lakes in the U.S. for Bass fishing and to move more units they added the saltwater use to the warranty. I have no doubt the trolling motors would out last the warranty but I would prefer a product that is designed for that environment and will last for 10 years or more.
CaptainBax According to a Garmin rep I spoke to they are made for saltwater use, hence the 3 year warranty. I agree with you though, when they released it as freshwater only, then changed that to saltwater too, I’m still a bit concerned about the longevity for my type of fishing (especially when they cost $5k AUD!)
Just a heads up Lawrence is going to be unveiling the newest version 2.0 of their lives site transducer at Icast in a couple of weeks. They already have it it has not been released publicly yet but I know this to be factual. Garmen will no longer be the only one that has the live fishing market to itself.
Mark Drown You mean the LiveSight that is just now shipping will be replaced with a 2.0 version? People are paying 1k for a transducer that in a few weeks will be obsolete? I would think that would infuriate Lowrance customers that ordered the LiveSight transducer.
@@InDepthSonar Question, which of these to units are better geared/preferable for trolling deeper lakes ranging 80ft to 350ft? Species targeted salmon, trout, walleye. Any opinions appreciated, thanks...
I have the older Garmin ps22 and caught a lot of fish because of it and can't hardly wait to use my own livescope. Livescope is the best I've seen yet... Used a friend's, pulled up to a bridge and thought that one side would have a lot of fish on it and was surprised to see nothing on it. Went to the other end and could see that they all must have migrated there for it was loaded up with fish. Had an awesome day. Thanks Garmin.
Sometimes it's NECESSARY to jump ship... I've been a Lowrance user for 30-yrs and it's A M A Z I N G ! ! ! What Garmin has to offer V.S. Lowrance... I'll have a " LiveScope " on my boat next season. I'm waiting til February just in case something NEWER comes from Garmin, and the Sportsman's Show SPECIAL... This was an EXCELLENT Video. I wish you were here in Portland Or. I'd pay for on the Water training, you seem to understand this product front and back. Thanks Again...
Thanks a lot! I haven't heard of anything new coming but lately Garmin has just been surprising everyone out of the blue so you never know
I have the Garmin with 9" Echomap and love it! Detail is amazing. Range is exceptional. After watching the video, I honestly wouldn't waste my time with the lowrance. I would feel like I am drunk looking at that blurry screen for hours. Is the Garmin more expensive? Yeah. But if your trying to save dollars, why are you even looking at these sonars? Go buy a Humminbird Helix 7 if your on a budget. I switched to Humminbird for open water years ago. Had Lowrance and think they have been doing nothing but catch up for the last 6-10 years.
Couldn't have said it better! There is a lot to be said about the companies to are innovating and leading the way!
I have always used Hummingbird, after this, going Garmin, I will be very upset if Hummingbird comes out with this technology soon. This is clearly the best
comparison with these products, awesome work, thank you!
I haven't heard if they are going to have anything soon. However if they do and it is as good as LiveScope they are really going to give Garmin a run with Mega 360 and a Real Time sonar option. Then they'll just need a good touch screen unit to go with it
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@@brentromine1505 Cool!
Save your money .. it is on the way....... hummingbird all the way.....
Yep. Hopefully they fix the shortcomings of the models that are out now
I'm running the Garmin LiveScope and the Humminbird 360 at the bow. It's the best of both worlds! If I had to choose, it's GARMIN hands down over everyone.
Those are by far the two best options you can use today on the bow. I love the 360 for structure detail and the LiveScope for tracking fish movement!
Just ordered my new boat. Getting the Garmin 12 inch, 10 inch and Panoptix. Can’t wait.
The history lesson was great. Just speculating here, the LV32 is named as such as there are 3 transducers (3 surfaces) to be used for forward or down, hence the 2. The images from the 3 are stitched or compiled together and the position of the transducer determines down or forward and not specifically one of the sides. LV12 is one transducer hence the one, but can be used forward or down (the 2) and why it’s essentially a third of the price. You get what you pay for seems to hold here.
hmmm....interesting thoughts on the naming. I bet you are right because that makes sense. Didn't catch that!
I’ve used Panoptix for years and livescope for a year now. Hands down the LVS32 is a game changer!!!
Totally! Best thing out there today
As everybody else has said, Thank You! Im getting ready to upgrade to the new technology and I really wanted to see side by side comparison before I spend 2500 plus. Im all about the Garmin for sure now.
Check out Lowrance Active Target too. It's an upgrade from LiveSight
Oh man!
I'm one of the die hard Lowrance bois, but I will upgrade to Garmin after having watched this.
Thanks for sharing!
Keep an eye on my channel next week if you are a Lowrance guy ;)
Get the Lowrance active target. Much better
Yes it sure is
Ive been a lowrance user for over 20years but I decided to switch when I asked a rep with the live scope work with my Gen 3 that I bought not so long ago.I asked them if they were bought by Apple or something when he said no I had to have a one of the newer units. Also by looking at the live sight vids I'm totally shocked that they would release such crap knowing it looks awful. " Your going tobe able to see the fish tails moving" yeah right. They should have done way more with it before releasing it
One of the most impressive things I found while researching for this video was the wide compatibility that Garmin offers for LiveScope. Its amazing how many units work with it. Nice to see them future proofing older products.
Good info... Garman seems to have it, but I still can't afford it, or even the Spot Lock type trolling motors..... Just have to fish the old school way....I'm happiest when I catch fish when I don't know for sure they are down there. If I win the lottery with a bunch of money to burn, sure, I'll get the latest and greatest. My Garmin Striker 7 plus, was a big $$$ item for me.... My wife thought I was wasting our money....but I still haven't mastered it, but I like it enuf, that Garmin is my forever choice in fishing.
Lowrance still got a long way to catching up with Garmin. So happy with my Garmin.
Everyone has a long way to go to catch up to Garmin :)
You'll love it!
Garmin is way too far ahead of everyone, nobody is gonna catch up 🤣
Have livescopes on both my rigs.. There’s no competition!!!!
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The Lowrance come angle is 40x90. Garmin is 130x20. That alone is the difference in clarity, the Lowrance, width-wise, is showing you twice the information. Not saying that’s better or worse, I think that’s purely subjective.
For sure. I agree that the Lowrance will give you much more coverage in the water column but you will sacrifice bottom detail. Its like using your traditional sonar on 83kHz vs 200kHz. You see more fish and better arches on 83, but 200 is more detailed. Based on this I think the Lowrance will give you a better chance at seeing your lure coming back to the boat.
Made to guide trips in the last month and LiveScope is unmatched. Period
We have a Garman life scope and we love it the picture looks so much clearer and more definitive than anything that Lawrence has
Sure can't beat the clarity on the Garmin
No bs and straight to the point. Great review and worth watching. Thank you.
Thank you!
Have been watching ICAST and waiting and waiting for Humminbird to compete. It is interesting to see the patent infringements and who has sued who. Come to the conclusion that Humminbird is trapped in the patents. You have put together the best video comparing Garmin to Lowrance. Big question is where does Humminbird fit in. I love my Mega DI/SI but Garmin will soon own the front deck unless Humminbird gets with the program. Thanks again.
I think the Mega 360 they have where they fit right now. But I think you are right. Stuck between patents is right!. I bet they were happy that the Power-Pole patent was up so they could come out with the Raptor
I just installed a Livesight transducer and took it out this weekend to try out. Is it Livescope no, its more like the 2nd gen panoptics. I think you are right. The angle and transducer are the difference. Garmins transducer is 3 different angles and Lowrance looks like one. I am looking at this transducer as another tool to add to my belt. Great video man.
For sure! LiveSight will have its application just like LiveScope. I think it is going to do a great job at lure tracking and marking fish
I own all Lowrance gear, HDS gen2 9 and 7 and HDS Gen3 12 with 3D transducer. Have the motor guide xi5 with pinpoint and I am going to buy a Garmin They are far advanced graphics wise. I called Lowrance a couple days ago to give them the opportunity to convince me to stay and they had nothing. The Ghost trolling motor was on my to buy list this year as well but they skipped the remote control. I’d have preferred to stay loyal but when you’re not keeping up with or at least close to the competition then you’re going to lose. Also as a side note Lowrance said no military discount Garmin said yes. That may not be a big deal to most but I think it’s a nice thing. Goodbye Lowrance and hello Garmin.
When you are at the top its easy to fall to innovative technologies like Garmin has. Hopefully Garmin can continue to maintain their position by constantly innovating. Lowrance is going to have to introduce some very innovative and effective sonar options to try and get that top spot back. SpotlightScan and LiveSight haven't done that so far.
Thank yu , well done . I’m getting my boat set up now , going live scoops and min Kota ultrex .
Really informative video. No contest on the comparisons, Pan Livescope clearly better. I'm thinking ahead to open water fishing, not just ice fishing. Last summer was unproductive due to the fact I had limited time to get out and find fish so results were hit and miss. LVS gives you the ability to find numbers of fish faster for more success. I don't keep a lot of fish but 1 or 2 for supper is always good. It's a game changer.
Lowrance's Active Target has come a long way since Live Sight. Much more compatible to LiveScope now
Makes me feel happy that I got a PS31 Garmin for salmon trolling. Tons of fun to watch the fish swim thru your lures. Wish it would make them bite!
Those are great for the trollers! I've seen some amazing video this year from Lake Ontario with guys running these transducers
The Garmin LVS 32 is better because it's image is clearly better than the Lowrance. The whole purpose of buying these units is to get the best view of what's going on below the surface. Garmin wins. Case closed.
Hard to argue that! Garmin has done a great job that's for sure
The reason why Garmin is coming out swinging is they dominate the saltwater market. Not just for fishing boats but a multitude of sizes and types. They take what they learned from salt to fresh and I'm sure the dominance will be established in the freshwater market. Are they expensive? Maybe. Is the cost worth it.... Yep. I have yet to buy a boat however considering the performance of the Garmin units I'd go with them. Also Garmin came out with it's own trolling motor they are super quiet.
you are best ! Garmin wins ( but price not wins lol )
The curved image is because of distance traveled by the sound waves. The unit is focused to give you the best image at the center of the screen much like my day to day work as a phased array ut tech the only exception is in my unit for looking thru metal for imperfections I can adjust each element to fire at different times to account for that. I can do that because it’s a known thickness they can’t because the water depth is changing all the time and if the did the technology that it would take no one would ever be able to afford it.
I'll buy an LVS32 in 4-5 years when the price comes down. The Raymarine CHIRP unit I paid $900 for 5 yrs ago, u can buy today for around $450 now. I'll wait it out this time.
by that time the next generation will be so crazyyyyy youll see the fishes mouth open and close
Agreed! LOL
Just think, in 5 yrs the imagery will be so much better than today. Exciting technology for sure!
Yes exactly! Never thought it would look as good as LiveScope 5 years ago
Definitely a learning curve to use the advanced features but the basic features are pretty intuitive
wow - kudos. Extremely professional review. U sold me on Garmin.
Thank you!
Great video! Well put together with excellent explanations.
Thanks and glad you enjoyed it
You could easily test the theory regarding AHRS, by simply mounting the transducers to a board and resting it on the end of a jetty, or some other means of fixing the transducers.
Great review - On a tight budget - I have an echomap plus 74sv unit but was hoping with more competition that Garmin would be lowering the price of it's older Ps30 transducer. ( Maybe someday 🙏🏻)
Doesn't look like are going to lower that one any time soon. I agree though, you'd figure they would, but its so different from LiveScope I guess they are thinking they are both high end products for different markets
Really well done! I liked and subscribed. Just bought a Helix SI 10 MEGA last year, so I am hoping Hummminbird jumps on the wagon with their version. Thanks.
Looks like the Mega 360 they announced at ICAST is going to be their answer for now. Not the same product at all, but certainly has its applications
the humminbird runs the minn kota trolling motor. "end of story" for me. still dont understand why not just use a camera?
A seemingly clear comparison, yet in the comments there is a bit of contradiction, you praise the Lowrance in the comments, but clearly criticize it in a forthright, concise fashion in the video. You should redo the video, in my opinion, to truly reflect your opinion.
Bottom line. LiveScope is better at detail and design. Lowrance would do a better job at fish detection due to the wider beam. Both would have application, but I'd buy the LiveScope hands down for all applications.
I bought two HDS 9 Live units right before the Livesight transducer was released. I was sold based on Lowrance’s teaser videos. Boy was I duped. Now I’m selling both units. I would go Garmin but their mapping is horrendous where I live and Navionics doesn’t sell a map card for Garmin that covers my area. So it looks like I’ll be going with a couple of Humminbird Helix 10’s and 360 imaging.
Garmin has now put the Navionics data on their G3 maps so double check your area isn't covered .
Lawren Wetzel just checked yesterday. No contours or anything. Just the lake.
@@texasvet7241 Too bad! Hopefully they update soon. We have it for our area now so its hands down Garmin now!
Lawren Wetzel I’m jealous. Lol. But my Navionics card in my Live units works great for mapping. I just wish Lowrance hadn’t dropped the ball with Livesight.
Great video! I have livescope and a echomap plus 92sv. I dont get that great resolution you see in the video, but i guess you dont get that in a echomap plus. Which Garmin unit is used in your video?
The EMP is a lower resolution than the GPSMAP 7608 I am using, but it's also under half the price. You still get an amazing image on the EMP units compared to other brands attempt at Real Time sonar
That was a fair comparison of these 2 systems in my eyes.
can I ask you your opinion on who has the best side-imaging? I have hummidbird Helix10 Gen1, and I can never see individual fish in the screen as dark shadows, the way other people see them. But it looks like i can see brush piles just fine.
Seeing fish on SI isn't really what it is designed for. Humminbird SI is the best I have seen for marking fish. I think Humminbird Mega SI and Garmin UHD are the best. Lowrance's Active Imaging is also quite good, but I prefer CHIRP to their non-CHIRP AI
In deep water say 100 feet the live scope does curve the fish. I thought they were looking at my lure on bottom at first. Pretty impressive technology
A video on the patent wars between the three companies would sure help to put it in perspective why Humminbird has not/can not come out with a competitive technology.
Yeah for sure! We know Lowrance got the rights to Panoptix through a settlement. Then Garmin came out with LiveScope LOL. That would be a very cool video though. Could go back to Side Imaging with Humminbird
@@InDepthSonar Then Humminbird sued Garmin........It does not stop.
Awesome job finally someone who did the work I have no clue about but helped me to to understand it better, I love the Garmin even though I have a Lowrance TI 7,either it's not in the budget, but I do love that Garmin 👊👊🍺🍻👍
Thank you for watching! Check out my channel because I have a full series on the Eltie Ti units.
Is there any innovation or quality upgrade on the Garmin Livescope system that you've heard of coming down the pipeline that would make you advise to wait 7-8 months, vs buy now?
Nothing yet. I've seen a patent application document online that suggests a 3D version of it in the works
Wow. That would be amazing.
Yeah I just wonder how much that will cost lol.
Lately they have been. Hasn't always been the case, but you can't argue it now
Another Great video Jonny!
Great video, thanks for putting in the effort of making it.
Thanks for watching!
Video VERY VERY WELL DONE. You are the best for explaining things. Can't wait for your next video.
Thank you!
3:05 LVS32 Xducer Is plug & play with the 8600XSV Series without needing the GLS10 Black Box Sonar. So the cost is $499 to add that Xducer, not $1499. Compatability = Garmin Wins!
This is incorrect. The LVS32 must always be connected through a GLS10 box. The LVS12 will plug into the 8600 series and echomap Ultra 10" and 12" unit. The difference is the angle on the LVS32 vs LVS12. I am pretty sure I covered that in this video.
This should be updated with the new SW update for Garmin and the perspective Livescope mode.
Got a new video coming out soon
Garmin for sure
:)
You should update. Now Lowrance has another graph that's compatible with the forward facing sonar
Yes working on that. Plus already did an Active Target video
Thank you for a very professional video
Thanks John! I enjoy watching your videos! You do a great job. I was in Zambia a couple years ago so I love seeing that type of landscape in your videos.
Thank you Lawren. If you ever down this way, give me a shout.
I have the 93sv echo ultra....getting live scope next week...woo hoo!!!!!!!!
Nice! Enjoy
I don't hear of reviews talking about screen resolution. Garmin with 800x480 seems behind say the Lowrance hds-7
Screen resolution isn't talked about much at all anymore in sonar units. For the most part they are high enough for what they do even on the low end scale. The only major exception I have found to that is the Garmin Echomap units, especially the touch screen ones. They are noticeable lower resolution than the comparable models.
Back in the day when you went from 240x240 to 480x480 it was a massive difference your your eye. going from 800x480 to 800x640 isn't as much of a difference to your eye for the most part. Until you see a unit that is so much clearer than anything else you don't really notice it. Go look at a HDS Live 9 and then a 7 or 12 and you'll see how much nicer that screen is.
Lawren, in your opinion,what would be the very best unit to view LiveScope with, if price was no object?
I like the GPSMAP 8600 series units as the best
Awesome video, wish I had of seen it before I went out and bought a HDS live12.
Is there any talk of lowrance upgrading the livesight transducer? Or should I just sell the HDS and get a Garmin?
I have heard there is talk of a newer Livesight coming, but nothing firm. They did just put a $300 mail in rebate on it so maybe something is coming sooner than later
Lawren Wetzel fingers crossed, hopefully it’s not too far away
Would like to know how many years you can send both back in for factory repair?
Neither company repairs units. They just replace them. Lowrance you can send back for 5 years. Garmin as long as they have the ability to replace the unit.
Not sure if you still check these comments, but it appears that the 73CV is not compatible with the "Livescope" just the PS22 (which the just call panoptix). Is this right? I think your video says the 73CV are compatible with the Livescope.
It all depends which 73cv. If it's the echomap 73cv, the echomap chirp 73cv then yes you are correct. If it is the echomap plus 73cv or echomap Ultra 73cv then the PS22 and LiveScope will both work.
@@InDepthSonar Thank you for the info! I have been looking at the echomap plus 73cv at cabelas.
That unit will work for sure. Look up the LiveScope on Garmin's webpage and click 'compatible units'
So if you were wanting to install Livescope LVS32 today which Garmin screen would you buy if you wanted to stay under $3000 total?
I'd look at the 8600 series personally. I like them because they have the fastest processor in the. The Echomap Ultra units are good as well, and the 942xs or 742xs if you want to keep the price down. Also, depends on what else you have on the boat and what plans you'd have to add more Garmin units in the future. You'd want to consider those things for networking in the future
Hands down garmin
:)
I think humminbird needs to get in the game already!!
Agreed, however they really seem to be sticking to their 360 imaging. Which certainly has a place when the LiveScope isn't best suited
Time for a mega live comparison as it will be available in March.
And not supposed to be publicly communicated until Feb 1st :)
@@InDepthSonar but it’s been out publicly already, as in today. Compatible with G3N, G4N and Apex models. Mounts to trolling motor shaft or 3rd party options. Mega imaging+ up to 150 ft. Three viewing options, forward, down and landscaping. No need for a sonar black box, connects MEGA live via ethernet connection
Yes I saw the Russel Marine Products leak. Wasn't supposed to be made public until Feb 1/21
@@InDepthSonar definitely looking forward to it!
As a newbie can anyone tell me if the LVS32 has a recording feature and if so would this be SD card?
Great vid and great review - many thanks.
Yes it does. Though the unit and Active Captain app you can record your screen. It would be stored to your phone's memory
I am in Northern Ontario. I will be buying a old town 120 pdl kayak. My budget is $1000cdn. I will be fishing for walleye, speckles, lake trout as well as ice fishing. Do you have any suggestions for a fish finder?.
I'd look at a Garmin Echomap UHD 75 or 95 or the Lowrance Elite 7 FS
quick question, i just bought a Garmin 1042xsv and a 1022, however, im holding out on the livescope due the inability to mount it to my Minn Kota Ulterra TM. (the one that self deploys and trims) Any suggestions?
There are a few boat mount options you can get like this one www.geigertecmarine.com/products/mega-mount-with-directional-50-handle-billet-universal-transducer-mount
Really good info. Please keep giving us more info and comparesons.👍🎣
Question, which of these to units are better geared/preferable for trolling deeper lakes ranging 80ft to 350ft? Species targeted salmon, trout, walleye. Any opinions appreciated, thanks...
I would say Lowrance LiveSight is going to be better than Panoptix LiveScope for that. You'll have a wider angle with the LiveSight which you need for that type of fishing. The Garmin PS30 or PS22 would also be good options.
True. Scary prices
Great video. There is no comparison. Lowrance wasted a bunch of time and money with this product. Should have waited till they had something better. You don’t see TH-cam fishing videos with people bragging about Lowrance Livesight
Larry Hobbs fucken sucks for all those Lowrance Live units guys🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️shuldve got a Hummingbird or Garmin🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Except from their Pro-Staff...on their own channel hahaha.
I Am So Glad i Bot a Garmin Thanks
You made a great choice
Thanks for this video. What is the max dept reading these units are capable of please?
I would say about 100' or so, they will do deeper, but that is where you are going to max them out for usefulness
Lawren Wetzel thanks
So down in Florida where you have about 15 ft of water on average. How useful would this technology be.
Its going to be ok in those depths. I would buy the LiveScope because of the new Perspective mode they just came out with. That is going to be ideal in 15" and less. Search my channel for that video.
I hope lowrance releases a livesight gen 2 sometime soon without the need to use a module for 3D as well as the pic being better for livesight like it is in the most expensive Garmin unit in this video. I am a lowrance fan and don't wanna switch! As well, I hope they soon release a 72" ghost TM so I can replace my MG Xi5. Any idea Lawren if any of this is coming out soon?
I think of anything like that comes out in 3 weeks. It will still need a module and won't be anything better than LiveScope but will be just as good.
Haven't heard of a 72" Ghost coming anytime.
Quality content! Thanks!
Thank you!
Time to update this with the release of Lowrance's new tech :)
It's in the works. I'm thinking LiveScope vs Active Target vs Mega Live
@@InDepthSonar very cool.
Thanks for sharing bro, Garmin all the way.
Agreed!
fair and very professionally done
Thank you!
I am looking at purchasing a 93SV Plus with GT52 Transducer(currently on clearance) to mount on trolling motor as my only unit on the bow. Am I going to see the same images on that unit as depicted in your video? If not what do you recommend?
You will only get the Real Time sonar images if you by that unit along with the LiveScope System $1499 retail I think. I think the 93SV Plus is a great choice to pair up the LiveScope with
@@InDepthSonar Thank you for the prompt response. Went to order and now out of stock.
I bet you'll find deals on the echomap Ultra 93sv in a few months.
Great review thanks.
Any suggestions on the best sounder for deep water, say 600 - 1000ft?
I assume these live scope sounders will be useless in deep water???
Yeah on that depth this won't work. If go with a Raymarine Axiom Pro and a 1kw transducer for that depth
Stunning.......What will they come up with next? Don't we need to give the fish some chance.....after all it is called fishing.
There is always something in the works! I think you'll see some even more impressive stuff released very soon
Is Garmin making a portable unit (LVS32) for ice fishing?
Yes they are. It is available as the EchoMap 93SV LiveScope Ice kit.
A really good comparison. Thank you very much.
Glad you liked it!
Great, objective and factual presentation.
That's my goal! Thank you
Thanks for helping to decipher this technology
No problem glad this was helpful for you
GARMIN!
How far forward can the garmin see in say 15-20' of water?
40 - 70' or so I would say
Is the live scope like a standard transducer you mount no the transom or on your trolling motor
Similar but it mounts to a pole, trolling motor shaft, or trolling motor barrel. I think there is a transom mount available, but would not recommend that.
using panoptix myself for ice fishing and the MAKES VEXILAR AND MARCUM BOTH OBSOLETE !!! Just wish i would have waited a little longer and picked up live scope instead
Its amazing how a technology like Panoptix can totally change things and make a traditional flasher obsolete
Garmin rules,,!tough to beat. No brainer !
Yep!
Price point for a complete set up ready to fish?
Right now about $2000
Great review, Garmin is clearly superior and I hope they will be bringing out a saltwater version of they trolling motor soon.
I would love to see that
@@InDepthSonar Yes I'm just a bit confused with Garmin because they say on their site (under the specs for their trolling motor) that their warranty will cover it for saltwater use but I always thought it was clearly built for freshwater use.
CaptainBax If you use it in saltwater, it just needs a good wash when your done, I’m not sure why they initially said freshwater only, but it’s safe to use the Force in the salt👍
@@Smokeyr67 Yes I thought that would be natural thing to do Shane when you're washing down the rest of your boat. My biggest concern would be whether or not the Stainless Steel and other components used in the construction are up to the task of a saltwater environment, is the stainless steel used a high grade stainless or not ?. Specs said it's for "Freshwater Use" and only later did they add that the warranty will cover for saltwater use. Sorry it makes me think that it was design for freshwater lakes in the U.S. for Bass fishing and to move more units they added the saltwater use to the warranty. I have no doubt the trolling motors would out last the warranty but I would prefer a product that is designed for that environment and will last for 10 years or more.
CaptainBax According to a Garmin rep I spoke to they are made for saltwater use, hence the 3 year warranty. I agree with you though, when they released it as freshwater only, then changed that to saltwater too, I’m still a bit concerned about the longevity for my type of fishing (especially when they cost $5k AUD!)
Excellent comparison tutorial. Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Just a heads up Lawrence is going to be unveiling the newest version 2.0 of their lives site transducer at Icast in a couple of weeks. They already have it it has not been released publicly yet but I know this to be factual. Garmen will no longer be the only one that has the live fishing market to itself.
Where did you hear about this? And what are the specs of it?
Mark Drown You mean the LiveSight that is just now shipping will be replaced with a 2.0 version? People are paying 1k for a transducer that in a few weeks will be obsolete? I would think that would infuriate Lowrance customers that ordered the LiveSight transducer.
Are you talking about the one Jacob Wheeler just uploaded on his channel?
I think you have incorrect information. They are just now shipping the first version.
Right! If Mark Drown is right there might be a few upset people
this is coming for my boat... thanks for the heads up!
Nice! Hope you enjoy it.
@@InDepthSonar I certainly did.. thanks again... carry on!
Awesome video and I subbed right away. Thanks.
Awesome thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video
Check out Lowrance Active Target. Resolution is number one!
Check out my channel for a video on it ;)
Excellent analysis. Thank you.
Thank you!
@@InDepthSonar Question, which of these to units are better geared/preferable for trolling deeper lakes ranging 80ft to 350ft? Species targeted salmon, trout, walleye. Any opinions appreciated, thanks...
Great video! Very well done - keep them coming, brother!
Thank you!
Im sure Humminbird is going to come out with this technology, any rumors of when?
Yes. In March. It is called Mega Live.