Why Skyrim's Update is Causing Problems for Mods and Modlists
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Imagine seeing your 12 year old game still being played by so many people and only because of mods and you decide to ruin it and make them pay for mods only because youre a greedy company. I am genuinely scared for ES6
ES6 is nolvus modlist imo. they wont make it as good as that pack with 2k mods. its just a fact
It's very interesting seeing the shift in hype for ES6. At one point people were as excited for a new Elder Scrolls as they were for a new GTA, but now people sound sceptical every time it's even mentioned
@@DroppedIceCreamMods they did it to themselves (with FO76/Starfield/Skyrim updates) and modding+hardware caught up (you can easily get Skyrim running on a midrange/3060ish PC with wabbajack whereas before you'd need a much better PC and time/effort to mod (still need more than a 4090 for best VR though lol))
Who makes mod creators demand money for mods? Nobody. They just provide a platform for this
I’m scared for the entire video game industry. Have you heard about GTAVI?
It amazes me at times how well Bethesda grows and expands their ability to colossally f()ck things up.
They are mainly focusing on Consoles with their new update schemes. Console gamers complain all the time that Bethesda treats them like second class citizens since they don't get the unofficial bug patches and can't fix broken quests with the command console on Xbox. I imagine Microsoft pushes them to do these updates that have bug fixes now that they own them. Not that that excuses anything.
@@TheGamedragon96 It's good somebody is takin them to task. My heart goes out to console gamers playing Bethesda games...pc is the land of milk and honey comparatively.
@@TheGamedragon96 console plebs shouldn't get a vote
At one point if they had played their cards right Bethesda could've been the Rockstar of the fantasy rpg genre, it's a shame how they continue to let that opportunity go
Psssst. Get real dude. It's Todd Howard. It's MAKE MONEY off the trolls who play the game. $$$$ and power.
Looks like Starfield didn't do so well so they went back to their most popular game to milk it even more 😂
Clasisic bugsheda 😂
Someday that cow has to run dry especially if they keep pissing people and modders off.
I bet this is why they didn't milk Fallout 4 as much.
YES, that's exactly what happened. That was my thoughts exactly. So true so true
And ruined it. Was just about to re-install. Glad I saw this.
No more Bethesda for me.
I'm convinced Bethesda knew exactly what they were doing with all these code changes. They realize that no one is going to buy mods when there are better free ones out there. Solution? Break all those mods yet again and keep breaking them until most modders that are publishing free mods give up on the game. Presto! Less competition for Bethesda's paid mods.
I would agree, but the PS5 version crashes even when I try to BUY new "creations."
At this point yeah I think they are doing this on purpose
Taking a deeper dive into some of the changes, it's clear they're getting lazier and/or more malicious in slowly sabotaging their own game to either force people into using paid mods or abandoning the game altogether to maximize traction in getting people to buy TES6
obvious. Bethesda is shite
Don't be so quick to attribute malice to what can be attributed to incompetence and/or laziness.
#keepmodsfree - Also, Bethesda needs to leave Skyrim alone. Stop updating and let mod authors cook.
Fr it’s a 12 year old game, let it stay that way
Yeah unfortunately it feels like they're using Skyrim as a beta test for what they want to do with Starfield
@@DroppedIceCreamMods Yeah sadly Todd thought Fallout in space would do better.
I want to like starfield more but it got released too early IMO.
I don't understand why they would edit anything with skyrim at this point, only thing that does is make people upset. Anyway thank you for the vid great explanation
money and greed
@@ZoltarWOT Yeah you got a point. Greed is going to kill companies sooner or later
It's really incredible how Bethesda don't prioritize keeping mods working, given that Skyrim would be dead and forgotten without them.
@@ZeroFanfareYou're the one that's crazy. The only thing that kept skyrim relevant over a decade later is moders fixing what beth xan't be assed to. And if they need to rely on a 12 year old game to make new games, despite their other games, and starfail has fewer ppl still playing it already than skyrim then that just makes their incompetence blatant.
Cope harder.
@@ZeroFanfare get of todds dick bro, all bethesda has to do, is stop touching skyrim. no more updates, all the best updates were made by fans anyway.
Starfail lol,,,yes that game aggravated me big time....
"Gaming's smartest fans" btw
They prioritize their own mods - paid ones. So they will do whatever they can to break other free mods. See whats this all about?
Bethesda has been possessed by the spirit of Nazeem!
There you are, enjoying your modded playthrough, and suddenly this npc comes up to you and says:
"Do you get to the Creation Club district much?"
. . . . and as he walks off, your game suddenly crashes to desktop!
Need a 'turn Nazeem into Todd Howard' mod
@@DroppedIceCreamMods : I so need this in my next mod list!
Lmao
Bethesda show us the way but now is full of evil... we need someone else to take this torch. I have oldrim super modded and runs like a baby. also have original BUT I use pirated version to avoid bethesda and steam STEALING my MODLIST. If you use especial you should do the same
@@DroppedIceCreamMods If I remember corrrectly there was one on ModDB a while ago.
The last three times I started playing Skyrim again they updated It after around a week, It’s like they’re watching me
We all politely ask you to never play Skyrim again
Lmao
heres your meds
I always feel like...
Todd Howard's watching me!
Its like when I get the itch to play my heavily modded GTA5. I always have to waste my precious time figuring out how to fix if. I wish these companies would make it easier for the modding community by allowing us to decide what game version we wish to pla or stop forcing updates.
Its like they were annoyed Starfield got such bad reviews so they're punishing the Skyrim community.
Bethesda has shown in just a few years. 1. They dont care about the players. The people who buy their games, pay their salaries, and support their lavish lifestyles(have you seen Todds car and house?)2.They turn their back on Modders after using them for a decade. 3. They exist solely on hype and care about launch sales than making a quality game. This should be the nail in the coffin for them. No more debating it, this is the end of Bethesda.
"after using them for a decade" yes modders that give free mods because they cant make income legally. they are used by the freeloaders not bethesda. now bethesda wants to pay new mod authors and people dont like that. guess modders will stay getting used then.
Thats not true at all they actualy keep improving skyrim for us but with anny update its bound to have issue,they even show modders some love by giving them the chance to earn some money
@Marcustheseer they could make a site like nexus where you can download the mods and they give a cut of ad revenue from the site to molders based on downloads. Or they could do a warframe and let molders work with a small team at the company to make high quality mods and sell them for like a dollar or 2 on their little menu that works with the modding community to keep mod cohesion. But no they decided to purposely break the code and mods of every other creator and mod list and sell exclusive mods that barely even work. They shot everyone's hard work in the knee to try and make a quick bucl and said "my way or the high way"
@@peacefusion sure thing, todd
oke shure but i get why they do it this way,if the product(skyrim) is youre product you dont want to use other peoples sites to implement youre thing then you use youre product and add what you want to that,its the most direct way to go for them so i get what they did,it also keeps the full control in there hands.
why as a company would you create an external site if you can implement it in youre game directly?@@sugardunkarton7803
Imagine creating a fanbase that would play for over 12 years only to make decisions to piss off and drive away that same fanbase, truly an epic achievement
3:38 that actually had me say “WTF” in genuine surprise. Any coder worth their salt knows you don’t just drop new code with some pre-existing code. Makes it hell to debug and more prone to having runtime errors.
Should have just used a modular approach.
Almost like they did it on purpose....which they clearly did. xD
Probably done with a combination of Laziness and Purposeful Intent.
How else are they going to sell their mods?
I hadn't played skyrim in many many years. About two weeks ago I got the itch. So i spent a few days looking through mods, learned how to mod skyrim as I'd never actually modded skyrim before, and started playing with the goal of exploring parts of the game I just never bothered with before. Then this happens and I updated the game on steam without thinking about it and can no longer even launch the game. GG bethesda, I already was most likely never going to play any future game you made but now you're turning me even more away from the games you made that I already own.
same, just built a new pc a month ago, i had like 200 mods working together......
i honestly dont have the time or motivation to fix this.
@@ZeroFanfare will you be ok with it when manufactures update your car after you have modded it?
same. played for a few days and had so much fun and I can't launch the game anymore either.
@@ZeroFanfare im sorry, you must be a 3rd worlder with no car, let me fix it "If Huffy demanded you remove your rainbow sticker from your 37 year old bicycle, and actually showed up in the middle of the night and removed the rainbow sticker that you put on..." you would be ok with it?
You can just roll your game back in like 30 minutes and block it from updating after, i did it isntantly as the updated droped.
thanks for highlighting how much trouble this 'update' has caused players that many big names on YT have failed to cover or glossed over.
No problem! I noticed most simply say 'mods need to update to work again' but that feels way too vague for this update
As someone that plays on console, I got super excited when I realized there's no longer a 100 mods cap. Then I started to feel I was going crazy thinking I forgot how to mod with how many issues I've been having, but no, Bethesda is somehow just that self-destructive with their most successful game.
even console is having a hell of a time with mods too?
@@saber2802 I've been scared to update mine on my Series X, so we'll see how that goes soon...
On Xbox i cant even move at least 3 mods in my load order without it crashing to the home screen 😑
my Creation menu won't even load
I use the series x and I had to spend over 5 hours constantly adjusting my load order just because it kept crashing. The way I finally was able to fix it was to uninstall the game and never look back.
Also the fact I bought the AE edition thinking I was going to get all the creation club content just for them to add more paid mods not on the AE is the biggest scam they pulled..
The biggest issue is all the mods that are not going to be getting updates as they have been abandoned or otherwise put into retirement as their final versions. This isnt a small update this changes fundamentals that effect how mods must interact with the games files and assets. If one is lucky a mod might get a forked version or patch released by some other mod creator, but even this is far from ideal as it addas another layer of complexity and yet more opportunities for issues to arise. This situation reminds me very much of the ArmA 2: Operation Arrowhead, which was received a large final update which introduced new bugs and changed aspects of how mods interacted with the game. This broke nearly every large mod (for a game with a big modding scene) long after many of those mods had stopped development and had the teams behind them dissolve. The vast majority were never updated again, thus removing the ability to use nearly all of the most fleshed out and popular ArmA2 mods without running older versions of the game for both client and servers. This also had the added effect of killing of a lot of the modded servers which made a up a bulk of the games remining multiplayer activity.
I wonder if Bethesda are trying to push everyone to the latest version by doing all of this. At the same time, it could truly just be laziness, complacency, incompetence, or any combination of such things. Regardless, I think they've shot themselves in the foot here. Mods are the only reason I've played Skyrim since my initial playthrough in its launch year. If Bethesda's games become less and less friendly toward the modding community and the possibilities for what can be done start to dry up, I think that'll eventually bite them in the ass when it comes to sales.
I imagine their main focus in cashing in on the console players, seeings as they have way less options when it comes to modding. And unfortunately it means PC gets left as an afterthought and modders have to fix their mess again
@@DroppedIceCreamMods Ah yeah, that makes sense. It's easy to forget about the console side of things for me.
i think " laziness, complacency, incompetence, or any combination of such things" is more a ceo and people at the top, and even then its more greediness. the people actually doing the work are just trying to get paid
Wont work i will just not play anymore. I already decided to boycott gaming industry so technically they have no reason to care about my opinion. Even if they change i wont.
considering how fucked up a lot of modding things are for Starfield (even to the point that they cant do their own DLCs like they used to), its probably incompetence on the dev side and greed on the leadership side.
Modding has finally reached a point where you can mostly play on AE 1.6.640 and not really think about the compatibility of your mods. And then this happens. It's not that hard to update the game while NOT breaking the current modding framework. (By framework, I mean essential DLL plugin mods and other various required mods for a decent modlist nowadays.)
Yes it is, have you never tried using oblivion mods from 2006? Also that happens with every game that has mods. You update something or the other and boom all mods that use the oldversion of said file/Script break
@@keit99right? This happens with The Sims 4, Baldur’s Gate 3, and Hogwarts Legacy right off the top of my head. Every time they have updates, the game breaks until you update everything. Idk what games people are modding where updates don’t break their mods lol
@@razrv3lc in Sims it's mostly Script mods. (mods with a *.ts4scripts file) object mods are mostly fine, unless the devs add New lifestates and ages. (like toddler update and infant update). In Sims 3 core mods needed to be Updated constantly) and pure scripting mods could survive a bit longer. But yes game Updates break mods.
Also in skyrims case the Main cultpit is SKSE a third party tool that injects itself into the executable. So when the exe changes it breaks. And the Team tends to add version. Checks when they update shit so that breaks mods even more.
Yeah now new mods are coming I can't play them in 1.6.640 :')
Ah yes the joys of modern gaming ☕
Modern gaming is all over the place. It's actually pretty funny (and depressing) that Baldur's Gate 3 and Cyberpunk each got huge free updates this month adding game changing content, and Bethesda released a tiny patch for Starfield fixing a couple bugs and paid mods for Skyrim
This isn't a problem with gaming, it's a problem with wealth distribution. When we make people compete even just to live a comfortable life, it's inevitable that some will lose their compassion, becoming greedy and corrupt instead.
@@DroppedIceCreamModswhy this month? why not last months when cyberpunk broke mods over simple ui edits. not all updates are the same and you know it.
how come a gain that revolve so much around the modding community can manage to be so hostile against modder?
In a word: Capitalism. Greed is how people are corrupted.
And, as Gordon Gekko ( Michael Douglas )says in the Movie: Wall Street
"GREED, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD IS GOOD!'@@aylbdrmadison1051
@@aylbdrmadison1051you can just say greed. Man always wants more whether he lives in America or the USSR.
@@aylbdrmadison1051 I hope you don't think the game exists because Bethesda wanted to donate Skyrim to the masses.
@@aylbdrmadison1051wrong ita corporatism. If America was still truly capitalist, peopleblike you wouldn't be throwing stupid statements around like you do.
Not a good strategy for BGS. I assume this is out of greed rather than laziness. They really want you to pay them more money for modding going further rather than being friendly towards free modding community which is literally the reason we still play this ancient game. It's pretty insidious actually that they would try to capitalize on people coming back from Starfield. SF was ok, pretty good even, but I'm already done playing it a couple months after release. This is unlike TES and Fallout which have staying power for many, many years beyond release, the difference being mods, easy. Now they want me to choose between a version that supports the latest Creation Club content or whatever it is, and the stellar free modding community content? Guess what, I'll downgrade versions even on Steam, which is an arduous task but it can be done. A Skyrim with only the ability to use CC mods...don't make me laugh, average/bad RPG in 2023 at best. Big ol' FAIL for Bethesda, wow.
I’m very curious how much money they’ll even make off of this. On console I imagine they’ll make a good amount but I don’t know who the target audience is on pc
I had been playing on console, because I had one and my PC died. Honestly, I think they severely underestimate their target audience. In a single player game of 12 years- I mean I've already played a thousand play throughs at this point. The type of players still playing Skyrim love it because of the modding community. I loaded up skyrim and saw the Vanilla game for less than 30 seconds and I exited and uninstalled the game. Skyrim paid mods aren't worth it especially if Bethesda is trying to take a cut. This isn't Fortnight and I highly doubt they will make enough to justify this.
In short: Bethesda is trying new ways to make all previous mods non-functioning in order to earn money on paid mods.
The result will be that people abandon Skyrim. It's becoming to complicated and frustrating to mod your games. And people do NOT want to pay for mods when they can have them for free via Nexus or other sources. Especially not when Bethesda is trying to choke all other mods than their paid ones. People are also getting tired of constantly having to fix and install their mods again and again every time Bethesda updates or change the game.
After 3355,9 hours played I finally deleted the game. Time to move on.
😢
I knew when I got the info that the Skyrim would be updated and it would be focused on mods that the party would be over. I immediately set my steam to only update when I launch Skyrim and only doing it through nexus so it never updates.
I've accepted that this might be my final mod run of Skyrim but I'll check the scene out in a few years.
Hopefully the community eventually ends up moving over to the GoG version for this reason.
I don't think it's as dark as that. I think folks will discover things are actually good, if they stop running around like chicken little saying the sky is falling.
Yes, hopefully everyone moves over to the the GOG version. However this requires giving Bethe$da even more money, which is something I might never do again
These problems with mods in Skyrim is not by accident. By making sure that old mods get screwed up, it makes it certain that players will need to replace their older free mods with newer paid mods. This will ultimately ruin not only Skyrim, but all other newer Bethesda titles, as they plan to roll out these paid mods eventually to Fallout 4, Starfield and others. One of the reasons that Skyrim and Fallout 4 are considered by many as some of the best open world RPG games ever is hands down due to mods and modders. When there have been problems with these games or grind/poorly thought out gameplay, players have been able to make the game whatever they want to play, and in the process dramatically increased the positive reception of these games. But greed at Bethesda has made them forget that for years it has been mods and modders that have made their games the success that they have been. I think going forward that opinion on these games will take a decided downturn.
I think Bethesda is perfectly happy to make free modding difficult so it pushes people towards paid mods out of convenience.
Piracy perfectly solves this issue. No forced updates for game, no need to update mods. It just works.
Imagine having to pay hundreds or thousands to install a single modlist
This kind of makes me happy that I only ever play the Legendary Edition of skyrim and never have to worry about all these updates breaking things. Sucks for anyone who wants access to it on steam though.
Yeah... My game shouldnt be broken because I have it set to not auto-update, and I open the game through SKSE, not steam.....
But this is super shitty. New mods are going to be set up for the latest version, something I cant ever see myself justifying using because its going to mean sacrificing YEARS of mods that I KNOW wont get updated...
So AT BEST, its play with old mods/the mods I already have(which is probably what Ill end up doing) or else have to give up like 3/4 of the best old mods to be able to get anything made in the future.
hopefully theyll get the reverter fixed, and maybe modders will just boycott the new version and insist everyone use the pre-update version?
Thats really as close as I can imagine to a best case scenario, and probably everyone will just give in and update so that they can get the newest stuff....
If the mod community was smart theyd refuse to mod for this newest version until it forced Bethesda to do a rollback/fix update
Thankfully I got my free upgrade to Special Edition by having LE. Occasionally I go back to it when updates break things too much. Interestingly enough if an update is particularly buggy, I've seen SE mods ported to LE on the nexus.
@@ZeroFanfare in that case I apologize for being a FUCKING IDIOT!
Same here, still on LE and love it.
You're a lucky one, my computer is terrible with 32bit games so I can't mod LE much.
I'm surprised anyone who uses mods on the steam version still has auto updates enabled for Skyrim, just disable updates and only use the skse launcher to launch the game. It's always been the case that anytime bethesda made any changes to creation club (adding or removing paid mods) they updated some game files as well, I've no idea why they designed it that way. I have heard though that apparently this latest update changes that so that in future creation club updates won't require game updates.
I'm on AE v1.640 (and I did not update to that until it had been out for almost a year) with 300+ mods and very rarely get any problems or crashes and for me it's the most stable version of the game. I will not bother with this latest update at all as it mostly bug fixes for CC content (is releasing bugged content a requirement for Bethesda?) with some minor performance optimizations art and lighting fixes.
I stopped playing Skyrim in 2016, after having played it through a few times. I basically tried SE for 10 minutes when it was first released. This autumn I decided to install a bunch of basic mods to play the SE through. Let's just say it didn't visit my mind that Bethesda would still bother to release updates for the dusty old game. Especially since I don't even have AE, just SE. Starfield is out and theoretically Bethesda should be working on ES6 (though Sheogorath only knows if they really are), so surely they should have better things to do. Perhaps this whole paid mods from the start menu thing is just a trial for what ES6 will be shipped with, so they are testing things live with Skyrim, for the absolute joy of all players running mods.
Fortunately my installation still seems to work, after updating SKSE. Perhaps because it's only the SE version and quite a limited number of mods.
@@herrakaarme Its mostly a issue with mods that require mods that adds scripting and other weird functions. In theory you could have 1000 mods and update game with no issues. Problem is almost every modder uses mods that will break.
@@Ay-xq7mj I was right in the middle of Helgen Reborn when the update happened and I even needed to update SKSE. The plot seemed to continue no problem. Actually there was minor dialogue trouble, but I'm not sure if that was due to the update, as the mod authors recommended saving before initiating conversations with the mod NPCs, so it might be an old, known bug. It was fixed by saving and loading. That large mod ought to have a whole bunch of persistent scripts running.
But yeah, it could get more complicated by mod dependencies, like you said.
@@Ay-xq7mj : Don't blame the modders who make the game better, blame the people who intentionally are breaking the mods. It's not like they are so stupid they don't what will break the mods. They're doing it on purpose to make it easier to convince people it's not Bethesda and microsofts fault when their paid mods plan destroys the modding community.
its not just bethesda, every update does this. mod breaking is nothing new.
I'm genuinely considering switching back to legendary edition at this point. I know most modern mods won't be available for it, but at this point I just want a stable build where I don't have to constantly worry about these issues.
Thank you. I've been looking for a sane unemotionally charged chat update on this topic. it was brilliant,
I marked my AppManifest for Skyrim as Read-Only right before Anniversery Edition dropped. It's completely prevented my copy of Skyrim from updating. All my mods still work, without any need to update them. It *does* mean I can't install any newer mods published after AE, but you know what? I'm content with my game exactly as it is.
Your skyrim looks very good, what mods are you using for textures, enb and trees?
Glad I set Skyrim SE to only update on launch and starting the game with the script extender exe doesn't trigger it. I've seen that update sitting there, and from the sounds of things, it can just continue sitting there.
I’ve heard this said many times and that is how I have mine set. Offline on Steam also. My game still updated when I made the latest Windows cumulative update since it also updated Steam automatically. I was still listed in offline mode on Steam but the setting had changed to always keep updated. I’ve played this game long enough for ten years; time for me to move on. No Bethesda games though.
The "ID", or more accurately the file version, is not exclusive to ESL plugins, it applies equally to all plugin types. Just like the game executable went from 1.6.640 to 1.6.1130 in the update, the plugin files went from 1.70 to 1.71. This was the first plugin file version change in years.
Yeah you're right, oops. Because I was just talking about ESL's I accidentally made it sound like it only applies to them
Which also means that mods made with the old plugin version just need to be re-run through Creation Kit to get working again?
@@Roccondil There's no need to do anything with old mods.
DIC for president 😉. You're the best with the modpack videos and now Skyrim News! Also I really like your current RP series (although I'm still behind current), so keep it going and thanks!
Thank you! I'll be campaigning for DIC 2024
"The mods will fix Starfield!!!!!"
Brother, with how Bethesda have begun treating modders, I honestly doubt many are going to put up with them
I am very close to either stop modding and playing Bethesda games all together or as you already mentioned move to using the GOG version especially since the one fix that actually matters is already backported.
But also one addition in the update you forgot is that modders now have access to a new function of the game (that "can be accessed from the.exe" not exactly how it works but we are all about keeping it simple here 😉) when they are writing their papyrus scripts (the language for the scripts used together with esps mods and by the game for quests etc) for their mods. And those functions when used by a mod will also crash on older versions of Skyrim when a mod uses them. (That said those changes are planned (or maybe even already) to be modded into the old versions as well by the backport mod you mentioned.)
Very interesting, thanks for the explanation!
With how many players still use older versions of Skyrim it's depressing to see how much more awkward it'll be going forward
Or just downgrade to best of both versions 1.5.97. That's the best version rn.
@@urbonx That wouldnt fix issue they mentioned where if modders use the new scripting it will not work in old versions. Bethesda are intentionally dividing and damaging the modding community.
@@steinhawk9187 I dont know shit about coding but i know AI is no where suitable for coding. We basically have midwits using some geniuses tech attempting to make/put it into actual use. From what i have heard at best it can be used to spit out basic code which can be implemented then needs correction. I doubt its much help with skyrims issues.
@@Ay-xq7mj _"Bethesda are intentionally dividing and damaging the modding community"_
But but.. free market Capitalism???!!!!
We have to support the whims of the wealthy elite Capitalists over literally everything else, including our species potential survival, right?🙄
Very informative, thank you. BTW what modlist are you using in the video?
It's the Ro modlist, I'd just started making a video on it but then this update hit and made things rather awkward unfortunately
@@DroppedIceCreamMods I'm probably stuck with Slidikin's Strenuous Skyrim for a while now but that's ok it's probably the nicest modpack i've played to date :D But I have anxiety thinking about Skywind and Skyblivion and what is going to happen to them? Hope it can work out for the best! Rebelzize inspired me to mod my skyrim again heh!
I only have a hundred mods or so
beyond the cc ones
and I was quite happy after updating skse yesterday as everything was fine and my game booted up to my last save from 2 months ago with no hiccups.
always wait a few days after the update for skse to get updated.
So, I was lucky enough to see a video a couple weeks back teasing this update from Bethesda so I took steps to keep it from updating my install. I am currently running the latest version of Nolvus, and I still have not updated the base game. So, I should probably already know the answer to this question, but since I've taken those steps I am assuming that I won't have to worry about any of these issues UNLESS I update, correct? I don't need to use the downgrade tool because I've never updated to begin with, so I am assuming these changes won't affect my game unless I update the game, correct?
Correct, you won’t have any problems unless you update or want to add any new mods yourself. Basically if you’re happy with your game as is then you’ll be fine
@@DroppedIceCreamModsWait what? Adding new mods will cause problems? How?
@@asddap I'm guessing if the new mods get updated to work for the new version, it may not work for older ones.
Though nexus usually has older versions of mod downloads anyway, so I feel like it should be fine. Unless I'm missing something.
@@asddap He means Mods designed for the new version. Mods from Nexus for SE/AE should still work with those versions.
I would not now trust any Mods from Steam/CC . . .
A couple of weeks back I got Skyrim SE modding fully working in my Steam Deck with Mod Organizer 2 under SteamOS. Took me a couple of nights to figure it all out and make a nice modlist for a new playthrough on my Steam Deck... I am glad I made a whole backup of my Skyrim SE folder, just in case an update would screw it up, because here we are again...! An update to a 12yr old game... And Gabe!? Why the *peep* are you forcing us to update our Steam games!!?
I just want a moment to show my big fat middle vinger to Bethesda and Steam...!
The Skyrim Steam version modding community was basically split in two before this update: Skyrim AE and Skyrim SE. I fear it'll be split in three now I think: recent Skyrim AE Creation Store, Skyrim AE, Skyrim SE. Oh... And there is the GoG version too with no Creation store. Edit: apparently, Skyrim AE is available at the Epic Game store too...
Maybe we are all better off with the GoG version? I know I am done with all these forced Skyrim updates with the Steam version . I am going to figure out the pro's and cons modding the GoG version. Maybe i'll buy the GoG one in a sale some time.
My steam deck boorked itself so once i get my new one ill have to pray that mods will be fixed 😅😢
#keepmodsfree
Very good info! For me I can't even get Vortex to run it anymore. I'm going to try to switch to MO2 to see if that will help. What we need is a video of how to fix this mess.
I think you can try the back version mod on Nexus mod, or wait for mods update.
thanks for explaining that simply and quickly!!
Things like this kill games
Since beth can no longer (who knows) shove another Skyrim remaster down our throats, they decide to be as clever as to screw gamers again and monetise mods. All of this to make up for the fact Borefield is barelly selling as they hoped for. We have to accept the Beth we knew is long gone and TES VI will be utter crap.
It seems like there's another Nintendo console next year and I fully expect a new Skyrim release for it
@@DroppedIceCreamModsyes. 100%
I have had a nightmare from this update. After hours of work I managed to get things running, but still have mesh conflicts I cannot fix, so just have to put up with the odd smooth purple objects, and burning firewood being orange clay.
I haven’t even gone into the mod/ creation screen and I noticed that my quest log screen has some sort of weird space between the quests and between the save, etc screen ..and when I scroll up and down it shakes …so already this ‘update’ is messing up things…blasted Bugthesda🤨
What’s crazy is I’ve just bought my first PC since 2010, have steam installed looking forward to catching up on years of modding only for this…. Lmao
I was initially not worried since I had disabled auto-updating on steam but for some fuckin reason steam decided to change that and my Skyrim updated anyway.
I swear, sometimes it feels like todd Howard himself has a big red button labeled "BREAK SKYRIM" that he presses at random times.
The button is by the coffee machine at Bethesda and they sometimes press it when they're bored
Just spend a day rolling back and trying to get everything working again. No crashes in the areas you've mentioned so far thankfully.
Would you guys recommend Oldrim or SE for a heavily modded playthrough after the update?
bethesda: don’t worry we’re not gonna break everything with this update
also bethesda: *breaks literally everything*
What if instead of updating a 12 year old game, they put all that manpower and money into updating the massive game they just released three months ago? The one that's already lost almost its entire playerbase?
This was their plan all along with the release of Starfield. The next gen fallout 4 update was meant to incorporate this new money system and with the leak of Oblivion and Fallout 3 remasters is proof of their intentions.
E meu jogo sem mod algum, não entro em windhelm meu jogo fecha ou congela quando tento entrar na cidade. E um grande problema? Eu jogo no console e não consigo fazer reparos no script do jogo.
In goldenhills plantation barrels in basement thing area by secrete switch not showing up, it show bag of flour and lantern floating in air. also missing texture for barrels by stable.
I was and still am so mad at Bethesda for this
What is the modlist used in this video? Looks beautiful and refined
It's the Ro modlist, I'd just started making a video on it but then this update hit and made things rather awkward unfortunately
I have a issue where my daughter has a player on her profile that used my load order on my series x . I got my profile working but every time I switch profiles her profile doesnt show creations or AE . What can I do if anything ?
After an unfortunate mishap which required me updating my game, I have to say that this time around (even after a clean install) it was so much more painful getting mods to work. I got things up and running thanks to stumbling across a very helpful comment on the nexus, but this update in particular really has caused a bunch of problems.
I have had some very hard days to fix my 1.59.7 version and I had made it much harder than was neccessary. So at last and after three complete, downloading, frustrating and downgrading loops, I downgraded the game with "best of both" downgrade and added the mod "Backported Extended ESL Support". With the newest SKSE and an old USSEP even Alternate Start works again and I can play with all my previous mods. Hope I could help.
Ohh damn you saved me man! I was getting frustrated why was my skyrim still crashing at bethesda logo.
@@tom74769 Glad I could help.
Oh no, our new game is being reviewed negatively! Time to ruin the modding community, the only thing holding us up!
I just bought the GOG version. I will definitely prioritize my modding on the GOG version from now on.
Hello! Thanks for the video, tell me these problems also apply to special edition?
this recent update has made it even worse now half of my mods keep disabling themselves.
is sow annoying, been wanting to play again but this problem just make me lose interest
As for shifting code about, code should be "open for extention but closed for modification". This is not as complicated as it sounds. Adding another swf file is extending the menu system and altering all existing menus to support a new menu is modfication. There are numerous unknkwn dependencies on some code so altering its behaviour should be done as a last resort. They probably got some junior guy to hack something in.
i really dont understand this about files, can you explain to me like i was a 5 yo?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open%E2%80%93closed_principle
@Tecrte it means that once it works, you don't touch it. You just add layers on top. BGS don't seem to understand basic software design principles, unless they're deliberately destroying the free modding scene to maximise the profit of their new paid mods...
Thank fork I set it to update when I start the game! Only been starting it through SKSE which Steam doesn't count as starting it. Been sorting out my mods on my new pc ready for my holiday.
Hey what fire fx are you using??
5:07. What a beautiful bright orange torch. :)
My game of a whole year littarly stopped working after the update 💀👍
Here's to hoping that this perpetual arms race of Bethesda breaking mods with updates, and modders having to continually fix a downgrader gets modders to eventually accept (at least partially) supporting non-Steam/older versions; instead of dealing with nonsense like older versions of mods being deleted (thank you arthmoor), or Wabbajack refusing to function without detecting a steam install of the game.
Thanks for being informative. Any other videos I've seen just complain about greediness, etc., which doesn't quite explain what's going wrong.
I started playing the game for the first time in over a year and while I’m currently bashing my head against the wall figuring out how to fix this mess
Ive never seen someone single handily ruin their own game I was pissed because I woke up to my game auto updating to the new version even though I know I turned off auto updates. I downgraded but I can't even get into the because it keeps crashing at startup and because nothing is updated I can't play on the new version either. All those mods by my favorite mod authors down the drain for the first time in so long I'm actually thinking of quiting the game. I don't understand what pocessed them to randomly decide to go and touch Skyrim after all this time. Making it so modders can get paid is cool and all but they could have added that without fucking up the whole game itself. Like I don't even know anybody that has ever even used mods from the creation club.
Bethesda, on a continuing quest to kill their golden goose.
Is all this only affect the Special Edition or does this mess with the Legendary Edition as well?
I need help I have a bug where mods just don't show like in the title screen there's no mod part in the menu just credits and the creation club In game there's only The same thing is like my game just doesn't have it????
Ngl I'm amazed this game is even getting updates after so many years of being out in the world. I launched Skyrim on my PS4 recently to play my last save and found a wholly updated Mods&Creator Club tab and everything rearranged. Wild! You'd think a game that has been running almost exclusively on mods for the past x years would be left alone, but noo lol. Thank you for explaining what happened! I'm now a bit worried for my PC version, gonna check it at the first opportunity as I've modded it a fair bit.
comment to help algo, but yea fuck this update. i had to spend a bit looking into how to revert the damn patch. what a stupid move to wait so long to do any kind of fix to the game
Thank you! And yeah it's been such a hassle for an update no one even asked for
@@DroppedIceCreamMods BUT this could be great in the future granted another 10 years. At least they aren't doing it with say, Oblivion. Skyrim modding definitely has longevity for sure no matter when ES6 comes out
let's HOPE that this doesn't delay Skyblivion
I got the bobw patch to work but I had to use another mod in tandum with it. The backported extended esl support.
Glad I didnt downloaded the update :D my modlist still works fine, tho dont dare installing anything new tho
Yeah if you've got a good modlist on the go and avoid updating, you can live in blissful ignorance
I literally only need a new version of Scaleform Transformation Plus and I can fucking play again. We're all waiting on the Author to release a 3rd update. NEVER FORGET: *TODD LIES. GAMERS DIE.*
Meu jogo mesmo, sempre que eu abro a página de nod ele tende a fechar. Não consigo modificar meus mods no Xbox e não consigo jogar o game porque ele fecha de tempos em tempos .
Is there a way for me to specifically see which mods are and are not working?. Like a logger or something. I’m newer to this stuff and I use vortex
After 10 years of modding I'm done . My game is broken and for my own mental health I've deleted skyrim completely. Bethesda have milked their cash cow to death thanks to the Bethesda / whits
if you have mod organizer 2 and you run the game through skse and change skyrims update priority in steam then you can play your game exactly how it was with no issues. thankfully i anticipated another update and now i have a perfect mod list but i can't get any new ones and it sucks for people that have had their games broken 😢
Does anyone know an alternative for Address Library for SKE? I spent ages downloading mods for Mantella only to realize that Address Library can't be ported to the new version.
Bethesda definitely did this on purpose. Since Starfield is a poorly received title, and AE wasn't responded to well either, they had to find a way to make money back. I'm surprised they just didn't go full paid 'Loot Boxes', then they wouldn't have to share any of their income with those slaves.. I mean paid content modders. As far as TES VI goes, I doubt that title will do well either after all of this bull-puckey Bethesda pulled, and they deserve to eat it for this reason. They're going after Fallout 4 next I hear, so they're essentially going to alienate the players of two popular titles to sell sh*t to the mentally incompetent who can't recognize that they're being fleeced once again.
I have no hope for another elder scrolls or fallout, 76 and starfield were absolute dog shit, starfield is the only game that's ever hit me with a sense of dread when thinking about playing it, it's so soulless and when you look at the credits it all makes sense. Fallout 4 had some warning signs but it was still had a little bit of character, with a good mod setup and hardcore/survival mode you can have a great time. Starfield is just fast travelling to perform monotonous tasks, plus it looks and runs like a cripple? I can play metro exodus enhanced edition at 72fps with ray tracing, hairworks, physics at 1440p with dlss on my 3080, a game that literally looks a generational leap from Starfield. Meanwhile Starfield was dropping into the 30s with a mix of low settings below native 1080p, not to mention it didn't even release with anything besides FSR. Don't even say oh it's because it's so big and open and there's so many npc's, the witcher 3 had more lively towns and metro exodus had more characters shoved into little metro tunnels than I've seen in Starfields largest city. Thank God for modding community, new vegas especially. Btw Blood West is a great game.
i cant find out what in my modlist isnt allowing me to start a new game and all of my save files were corrupted and deleted.
Bethesda have basically the only continuously played game that would flourish from no developer attention whatsoever. They are doing literally less than nothing
Wtf are they still touching this game for, go work on starfield and fix that, sigh....
No they still need to ruin mod support for fallout 4
Don’t worry it’ll be Starfields turn for paid mods in a couple months :D
@@DroppedIceCreamMods elder scrolls 6 will make it so a dlc is needed for mods hahaha
Think about this why are they updating a 15 year old game? Im done with bethesda. Go back to 1.5.
They’ll never stop rereleasing and changing Skyrim until ES6 is out, and even then who knows
For those who keeps crashing when entering creation, make sure when u entering creation wait n watch they start to loading, you immediately hit button again to entering a mod immediately (no need download) and wait till images appear finally u can press go back to any mods list n load order list. (For console players, idk about pc.) Hope this works, i do it everytime💀
The fact that this is even necessary is ridiculous. I'm going to give it a shot. I'm so pissed off at Bethesda.
It's so frustrating.
I'm a complete noob with modding, but I recently found my favorite Wabbajack modlist called Vanguard. Since this latest Skyrim update I can't get it working.
I tried delete Skyrim and reinstall it fresh and downgrade with some nexus mods downgrade patcher, but it still won't start. It gets stuck at reshader before entering the in-game main menu.
Man if Bethesda ruins it's modding scene for their games I might as well kill myself. Personal story but Bethesda games for the longest time when my depression was at it's worst was the only thing that kept me going.
Thankfully Skyrim will always have a passionate modding community willing to mod through the worst of it, although it doesn't bode well for the modding community of Starfield which haven't earned the same respect as Skyrim
It's a shame because I love Starfield. That game is my GOTY despite all the problems people have with it. It really gets me down.@@DroppedIceCreamMods
Please tell me you are joking, or please get help
@@kieuoanhnguyenthi3759 It's not a joke but I did get help and medication that helps. Thank you for your concern.
@@TheGamedragon96 Remember that there's always gaming world beyond that of Bethesda. I'm sure in time you will find even better experiences that may help manage your depression. I wish you all the best.
Bethesda Softworks. Some here in TH-cam call you a hero, but a hero doesn't use a power like modding to murder the Game and usurp it's functionality. You started this war, plunged Skyrim into chaos, and now the Mod Community is going to put you down, and restore the peace.
this update was a prime example of not fixing what isnt broke
Since this new update, when I try to launch SKSE through MO2 it just won't boot. Like it crashes before I ever get to the home screen. It'll run when I use the SKSE executable but obviously none of the mods are there. Tried for hours using so many different ideas to fix it and nothing did, so I've just given up.
I like how nolvus dashboard installs mod list... the update never bothered my list of 2400 mods at all.
I kept steam from auto updating my game, I use nolvus, but the only option I could select was to update only on launch, can I put steam into offline mode so the servers can't connect