I say Maul is the winner, and here's my deciding factor. During the duel he disarmed Ahsoka twice. He didn't want to kill her and wanted to form an alliance to ruin Palpatine's plan. In his eyes everyone was going to die, that much was obvious. So there was no reason to waste time trying to kill someone who basically was condemned anyway. I do believe Ahsoka was a little over confident in her abilities though. Maul was one of Palpatine's best apprentices, he killed Qui-Gon. And Obi-Wan struggled with Maul multiple times during the Clone War. Maul even technically beat Obi-Wan during their duel on Naboo in The Phantom Menace. Maul has way more experience under his belt than Ahsoka. And some people don't give him enough credit. I mean did you see the way he just casually redirected those blaster shots... Anyway this duel was fantastic but when it comes down to who would win in a fight to the death. I'm giving it to Maul.
Dennis Cook Maul won without question. If he wanted to kill ahsoka he would. And as you said he clearly is more powerful. After losing his brother it seems like he simply dosent care. At the end of the episode he was begging for death. He fears Sidious, not ahsoka.
Ahsoka Tano props to her to keep up with maul in general I mean I do believe that he wasn’t in the best psychological condition but probs to her anyway
Gibi O I mean, i think he offerd her the position of his apprentice twice. He clearly held back. He is the superior fighter and if he didnt hold back and unleashed his anger uppon Ahsoka she would’ve been cought by suprise and quickly ended.
@@fuzzybacca4997 but he won the love and forgiveness of his son and apparently that's all that truly matters in a redemption story. Forget all the atrocities he committed. Imagine if Hilters second in command killed Hitler and we all called that redemption.
Touching on Maul's inability to close a duel, he seems to want to go for the flashy finisher instead of the simplest. In this duel he could have cut the beam Ahsoka was on causing her to fall but instead opted to swing at her allowing her to disarm and force him off balance due to his robot legs. In Obi-wans duel against him in Ep 1 he taunts Obi instead of just force pushing him to his death. In the last duel against Obi Maul tries to kill him just like how Maul killed Qui-gon which results in Obi-wan knowing exactly what is going to happen and countering Maul. Maul goes for the flashy when he could just go for the simple.
Tyranidus I guess he did let his arrogance with the beam get the best of him what a pity ,thank you for your insight. Also this is why sidous deemed ankain over maul bc he remembered that maul let his arrogance get the best of him & thought vader would be different truly ironic i love it haha.
@@cwjack114 true but it's always hard to critique dueling styles of individuals with the power to predict each others moves before they even make them lol
TheyCallMeJosh Hwang I would agree with you lol except for dooku bc he was arrogant in a way bc anakin says “my powers have doubled since the last time we meet” then dooku said “great twice the pride double the fall ” which eventually turned out to be true in that sense ,but if it wasn’t for sidous telling dooku not to kill anakin then its plausible that dooku might’ve won i mean he cut off Anakins arm in attack of clones which is just a stepping stone & you could also argue that grievous might’ve killed Anakin if sidous didn’t want him alive ,but since obi wan was with him they had a fighting chance if that was the case.
Dave Filoni has already said that Maul was the superior duelist and was winning the fight. He also mentioned that Maul lost due to his arrogance and underestimating Ashoka simply being outsmarted.
The way I see it: Maul won the lightsaber duel (he managed to disarm Ahsoka), but Ahsoka won the fight as a whole (she used his strength against him, causing him to fall and thus capturing him as a result).
What do you call a win? Maul could have killed her in the throne room but he doesn't want her dead so Maul cant win unless he kills her so he would have to keep fighting without killing or running.
@@gamegalaxy765 A win doesn't entirely mean the person has to kill their opponent, and I literally described what I call a win (in two ways) in my original comment lol.
Maul was the winner, he had two chances to defeat her but he didn’t want to. He was the superior duelist and that was shown when he disarmed her twice. Ahsoka looked like she pushed him but she was way to tired. It was maul’s overconfidence that lost him the fight. But if he was fighting to kill, he would’ve won.
What prevented Maul from defeating Ahsoka? Maul did. He did not win, because his own fatally flawed plan to tempt her to the Dark Side prevented him. He wanted a victory he was unable to claim, and so did not win even the victory he might have been able to win. Maul being stupid does not give him the victory - it specifically prevented him from gaining the victory. Had he had a better plan, it would have been a very different fight - but the only one to blame for that is Maul himself.
I think if the fight continued longer than 2 minutes, she would've been in serious danger. It only took Maul 1 min 45 sec to exhaust her and disarm her twice .... imagine if it had lasted atleast 5 mins like when he went against quiet gon and obi wan... she'd be dead
Steven Hiller listen you people overrate Ashoka I love her but she could never kill a maul who wants to kill her she would hold her own you really think Ashoka is better than maul? It’s debated if maul is powerful than kenobi and if you think she is your the most clapped Star Wars fan
@@stevenhiller2253 She couldn't kill him even if she wanted to. Meanwhile he could've killed her multiple times during this duel yet clearly hesitated (Hell even while he was holding back he was still dominating).
Maul is definitely better than her. Ahsoka is gifted but, she isnt even top 100 jedi in season 7. Maul was holding back. Ahsoka was lucky she wasnt on the frontlines like most of the jedi council member. Most of the powerful jedi were on the frontlines during Order 6 with hundred of clones behind them went they got the Order. There is a green alien insectoid jedi knight who killed about 20 clones that attacked him. We saw Cal's master, Vos, Krell, and others kill jedi much easier than her. Keep in mind there are thousands of jedi in star wars before Order 66. Now after Order 66 she is probably top 10 or 20 jedi because only about 100 survive anyway. Now I do think Ahsoka would surpass Maul during Rebels. She is 34 and has master level experience by then. Ahsoka has knight level experience right now and she has good feats but nothing on Maul's level. She lost to Barris, lost to Grievous, and struggled against Pre Vizsula just a year ago in season 5. She also lost to bo Katarn. Every jedi fought in the clone wars so that's not an advantage for her. It was a tough war for everyone. Ahsoka is gifted and she benefits having Anakin as a master but people overhyped that. Sometimes a jedi is way stronger or weaker than his or her master. Vos is one of the strongest jedi in canon but, there is nothing special about his master in combat. Dooku is a level above Qui Gon and Yoda is a level above Dooku. Vos is a level above Aayla Secura. Also keep in kind that Maul is very troubled about Order 66 and is terrified of Sidious. Remember that his mother also just died and his brother before that. Ahsoka is great but, is at least a level below Maul. She never even best anyone like Qui Gon, Aayla Secura, Plo Koon, Ventrese, season 5 Savage, Grievous, or Shaak Ti. She hasn't even beat someone like Barris. Feats matter, but I still wish they would have handled it differently. They should have had some clones or death watch troopers help her win. And though Maul was more powerful he did lose to Ahsoka. He let her kick him and throw him during the initial engagement. And kept fighting when he disarmed her plus she threw him off in the end of the fight. Now it Maul tried he would have beaten her, but would still struggle because he's mentally unstable with the loss of his mother and brother and fear of Order 66. But he would beat her in 2 minutes if he was 100%, the same guy that took over Mandalore, or Maul from TPM.
It was awesome. Ahsoka is amazing. I love that she has on multiple occasions disarmed lightsaber wielding opponents with her bare hands. She is hands down my favorite Star Wars character.
I think ahsoka pushed him and he also kind of just left. If he was trying to kill her he would’ve jumped back through and attacked her. Maul has given up, he couldn’t recruit ahsoka, and there’s no point hanging around as his forces are losing and order 66 is right around the corner
I’m really confused why so many are claiming Ashoka won. Maul clearly didn’t want to kill her, he wanted her to join him. He even disarmed her at the end and could have finished her right there. Plot armor was on Ashokas side.
He disarmed her, she lost her sabers, disarming doesn't always mean a win. Plot armour is always a factor, however just because you've disarmed, doednt mean they can take a kill, disarming someone is usually because you've got the opponent in a position where they can no longer hold their weapon, however they can still move, and the enemys move wasn't a killing blow, it was a disarment, ahsoka once she lost her sabers, multiple times, she evaded the incoming follow up attack. He then went for the kill and ahsoka utilised the fact he was using staff and countered it. You could say he had an opportunity too kill her, but I don't think he did. Just my opinion.
Maul wasn’t trying to kill her, and he also didn’t seem to care too much about the outcome. He lives for revenge at this point, and his plans to foil sidious had all failed, meaning he has no purpose to live at this point. Plan 1: kill anakin, failed as anakin didn’t show up Plan 2: recruit ahsoka, also failed, so maul might as well quit wasting time and run away or just die cuz he has no chance alone against sidious or all those clones
We the viewers won, it was a beautifully crafted and choreograped fight, easily the best in any of the animated shows! This was star wars at its finest
Maul could have killed her but didn't want to. He disarmed her and had her at death point at the end if the duel despite holding back. Technically maul won!
I like how they did this because you can make both sides happy you can argue that maul was the winner if he didn't give her another chance but you could also say that Ahsoka won cuz in the end she captured.
This is basically the case. Maul could have won and most likely would have had he committed to killing her sooner but the fact is he didn't and as a result Ahsoka actually did end up winning.
It’s pretty obvious Maul would’ve won if not for plot and continuity, since she lives in Rebels. He cornered her so many times but kept asking her to join him or just doing the typical bad guy stare instead of stabbing her through the chest.
Let me remind you who got cut in half and survived on his rage alone. If you wanna be petty about it Maul shouldn't be alive to fight Ahsoka several times over. In the Phantom Menace and when Palpatine finds him and kills Savage and beats him. If not for plot he would have killed Maul on the spot.
magortom Wrong, Maul wasent no push over. When they 1v1 he pushed back Sidious a few times and he realised he had to end the duel quickly with his superiority in the force. Maul is one of the best lightsaber duelists of all time lol. Ahsoka isn’t on his level at all. Maul killed Gui Gon a Jedi Master 1v1, killed Pre Visla 1v1. Went toe to toe with Dooku AND Grievous at the same time to escape and defeated them. Went toe to toe with Sidious 1v1 putting up a good fight. Could have killed Obi Wan after killing his master but due to his arrogant nature didn’t and got cut in half. Faced Obi Wan numerous times in the Clone Wars and made him run several times. Now tell me, what has Ahsoka done or achieved that makes you think she can even be compared to Maul in lightsaber combat or the force? I’d like to know.
@@chandler5312 Thing is I never once said Maul was a pushover, I didnt even say Ahsoka is better than him. All I said is that if we are discrediting Ahsoka (who very clearly in a canon episode held her own against Maul) based on plot convenience then we have to hold Maul to the same equal standard of he fact that Maul is also alive because thats what the writers wanted to do, no more and no less. You're literally just getting emotional cause you love Maul and putting words into my mouth and trying to compare feats as if we dont have evidence as to what actually happened. So no, I'm not gunna humour you because you're way off topic and ranting. If this makes you feel like you won an argument that no one was having with you than good on you bud, you won, have fun.
There are many factors in a fight: experience, training, skill, enviroment, mind-set, luck and many more. If we look purely at the outcome then Asoka won. As they say: "The winner is the one left standing". And, yes Maul is still alive however, Asoka achived her objective(to capture Maul), while he did not achive ethier of his two objectives( to recruit Asoka/Escape). However, if we ignore objectives and the final result and focus on other areas for instance who was more skill or who dominated the fight then a very diffrent picture can be painted. Ignoring plot armor, they both had that. I would say Maul was dominate for most of the fight. He clearly held back hoping to prove a point and convice Asoka to join him(Honestly considering how much he does this I am started to think that Maul is just lonely). As a result of this Asoka came out on top of the first enagement, by kicking him through a window. I would say however Maul was the more dominate figher in this section. In terms of experience, honestly I don't know. Asoka has gotten so much experience over the Clone Wars. however Maul is older and was trained almostly exclusively in saber combat(if my understanding of his origin is correct). He did however have a long period of time where we did nothing other than become a spider for a while(maybe that where he learnt to weave his intricate plans). In terms of, training they are both at a massively high level. Honestly I have rambled for to long, and for that I am sorry. Overall, I would say that the overall victor was Asoka, but the better fighter was Maul and in a straigh fight to the death I would say Maul takes it 8 to 9 times out of 10. However nethier were at their best in this fight, Asoka was, I would imagine, distracted by what Maul said about Skywalker. Meanwhile, Maul wished to recurit Asoka which in the end stopped him from killing her right after disarming her, so he could attempt to recruit her again. this gave her time to collect herself which lead to the result we got. That thats my 2(honestly is a bit more that two with this lengh) cents on the topic. Sorry for any spelling/grammer errors. I wrote this on my phone.
I agree completely and it's nice to see someone who remembers Maul was lost, almost mindless and without legs and then became spider-like for most of his years as a sith while Ahsoka was commander in a war fighting many battles making her a bit more experienced than him. During a battle to the death, Maul is the clear victor 8-10. However if we go into Rebels I do believe that at that point Ahsoka would beat Maul in a battle to the death. Basically the deciding factor here is Ahsoka's youth.
While I totally agree with almost all of your points the fact that you give both combatants a fair amount of credit it struck me as odd how you would give maul such a heavy lead overall I would have been expecting a 6/10 in mauls favor not a 8 or 9.
@@masonguthrie1257 I, having though about this more since writing this comment, kind of agree with you. Although I meant, my 8-9/10 to be a straight fight to the death with nothing else other than thier skill and experiance being the deciding factor(sorry for not making that clear). Even now I still think maul wins that enagement(if will look at both the characters in this moment) but I do think that its still higher than a 6/10. Maybe a 7.5/10. I am basing this of the training Mau recived,being an assasin who was taught 80% lightsaber skill and 20% force abilites( not actually stats there, but form my reading sidious heavily favored his training towards the physical aspect). This should( in theory) give him an edge in a straight death match.. Thats why I think it is more heavily favored towards him. I could be way of the mark with this through. I can however see arguments being made for both sides so. Out of coursesity. What do you think mauls win rate would look like? If they were to fight one on one, in a completly flat neuatral location. Also again sorry if this is hard to read.
I'm still a bit disappointed in it. I mean, Ahsoka is 17 with the experience of a jedi knight. Ahsoka doesnt have any dueling winning feats. She lost to Grievous recently in season 5, lost to the other gifted Padawan Barris (also with jedi knight level experience), and struggled against Pre Vizsla in season 5 at 16. Ahsoka has never beat someone on Aayla Secura, Ventress, season 5 Savage Opress, or even Grievous's level who I think are a tier below Maul and Dooku. I get that she is gifted, but I dont think she should be able to beat Maul alone yet. Maybe with help from clones or mandalorians but Solo doesn't feel right. Or with an incident that tips it in her favor like a vehicle crashing in the building. Ahsoka isn't the only jedi who improved during the clone wars. The same is true for hundreds of padawans, knights, or masters. Maul should have a bit more skill than Ahsoka, he has been fighting since he was young and ideally would have learned from his mistake against Kenobi. Otherwise I dont see why Sidious would want to pick him as an apprentice. But imo Maul is also insecure because of Order 66 and is mentally unstable because of the loss of his mother and brother. Ahsoka nearly lost to less clones than Cal's master, General Krell, some jedi knights, and other jedi have done. Plus she was luckier than several jedi; for instance the council members (Secura, Mundi, Luminara) were usually unlucky and had hundreds of clones behind them when Order 66 went through. So I think jedi like Plo Koon, Aayla Secura, Cal's master, Krell, Barris, etc would also give this Maul a tough fight and would likely beat him. Quinlan Vos would definitely beat Maul with his feats in Dark Disciple and he wiped out dozens of clones on Christophsis. My point here is that I think Maul is still better than Ahsoka and wasn't at his best here. But Ahsoka might pass him up in another 5 years. Ahsoka in rebels is outright better than Maul though because she is 34 and has master level experience by then. Right now I still dont think Ahsoka is in the top 100 jedi at the start of season 7. I say this because there are thousands of jedi in the order. To be top 100 is basically being top 1%. I think she is more like top 500 jedi which is still top 5% .
@@billclark5055 yeah, she'd be one of the top padawans, if not THE top padawan, of the order. when she was fighting baress disguized as ventress she was caught off guard. but other then that ventress herself seems like she's around the strength of an average jedi master, though reminder here, anakin is FAR stronger then the avarage master (and so is obi wan), while dooku is basiclly on par with windu, who's second in the entire order. all in all, ahsoka is upper class knight/possibly lower class master level in combat at least, and she's probably better then the avarage masters were before the fall by Rebels, seeing how she just toys with inquisitors and stalls VADER for that long.
@@thebravegallade731 Ventress is definitely better than the average jedi master. She whooped Luminara and held her own vs Luminara and Aayla at the same time. She held her own vs Plo Koon and Fisto. Killed Tholme and also held off vs Ki Adi Mundi who is a top jedi duelist. She also holds her own vs Kenobi and Fisto in legends with the help of some weak minons but nearly killed them both in battle. Was schooling Padawan Anakin in 2d series until he raged and had a Vader level boost. Padawan Anakin in early CW is better than padawan Ahsoka. Padawan Anakin was already surpassing jedi masters ag that point. He was alreaady the top pilot in the order and he was winning battles leading armies already. Already would give Dooku a close fight at that time. Dooku still would have handilhbeag season 7 Ahsoka and Ahsoka was shocked when she heard Anakin killed Dooku. Even Kenobi is TPM was about her level. He wasn't fighting in 1 big war but he was 8 years older. He already fought for a whole year protecting Satine vs the Mandalorians. That year of experience in Mamdalore is probably equal to most jedi 3 years in TCW because the mandalorians are elite warriors and fighting them would be brutal. Kenobi also fought in several notable conflicts in legends like the Yinchorri conflict (more brutal than most Clone Wars conflicts), vs Xanatos the fallen jedi knight level prodigy (with Qui Gon's help) and his apprentice who Kenobi bested, Kenobi was fighting off an army of pirates and protecting a village before he even reached Padawan level, Kenobi fought several dangerous creatures during his exploration with Qui Gon, and had fought seveal dangerous bounty hunters and factions with Qui Gon who took many of the most dangerous missions during the peace era (like the Stark Hypersoace War which has been referenced in some canon book so I've heard but without details filled in). Cal actually has better feats when he is nearing knight level in Fallen Order than Ahsoka right before the Maul fight. Namely defeating Malicos. Beating the 9th sister, 2nd sister, armies of imperials, several dangerous creatures, elite cyborg bounty hunters, several knight brothers, and imperial purge trooper super soldiers making him even better.
@@thebravegallade731 honestly upper class and lower class master level are about the same. Because master is a more political rank anyway. I think Ahsoka is better than Tholme but still weaker than Secura. Way weaker than Fisto who would have mopped the floor with Mual if he fought him the way he fought Ahsoka (which he wouldn't because he was holding back and emotionally unstable). Remember Fisto specializes in fighting enemies with multiple or double bladed weapons and he is a top master who was better than Kenobi as a knight. I definitely would say Ahsoka is better than Luminara. For sure, so is Barris. Not better than Mundi or Plo Koon. Not better than Sasee Tinn or Eeth Koth. Adi Gallia is supposed to be really good, I guess she just wasn't used to fighting brutal foes like Savagee. I'd say she is a similar level to Gallia but, Gallia is a bit better vs ranged enemies and honestly think Gallia would beat her in a duel (Gallia was a duelining champ) but Gallia would not fare as well against brutal enemies like Savage, Grievous, or Maul because that is her stylistic weakness. She isnt better than knight level Malicos, Krell, or Tapal. Nope. Definitely not better than Vos. Not better than Cere. Cere was inactive almost 15 years then still hurt Vader in combat right after she came back and soloed 3 super soldiers at once with ease. It is implied that she is still leagues over Cal in the end of the game and the Cere at Fallen Order would go 50/50 with Rebels Ahsoka. That's how strong she is.
@@user-fb5ir3zz8l He also had a tough time vs Obi Wan on Phantom menace, who was also officially a "padawan" on his way to becoming a knight (and who was also, at the time, a form 4 specialist). I think it's very clear that Maul wins, most people would agree on that. But since he doesn't want to kill Ahsoka the duel turns into an exchange to "prove a point", and because of that she gets the chance to recover from several disarm strikes and tough blows. In the end she got the upperhand in very much the same way Obi Wan did on Twin Suns, by using Maul's ego against him (and his long ass staff lol). I think Maul just has a bad time with heights and ledges, it must be an inside joke at Lucasfilm at this point. A great example of this is when Kanan manages to outsmart Maul on Malachor and throws him off of a cliff lol. Kanan never got to Ahsoka's skill level, his master was killed when he had just become a Padawan. He's basically on the same skill/experience level as SE1 TCW ahsoka.
MS_OfficeSpecialist Maul didn’t have a hard time with padawan kenobi, he was just momentarily caught off guard by kenobi’s sudden spike in aggressiveness and once he recovered and got used to it, he quickly defeated kenobi. Just like how vader was caught of guard by Luke’s sudden spike in power in ROTJ but couldn’t recover and regain his composure quickly because of his cybernetics weighing him down. Filioni ruined maul by making him a blabbermouth villain who gets owned by noobs. Maul was supposed to be mostly silent, cunning and deadly. But filioni took all that away so he can have maul blabber on about his evil plans and typical bad guy banter.
i can comfortably call Ahsoka as a Top Tiered Jedi Padawan. Yes Top Tiered Jedi Padawans have the skills to be a successful Jedi Knights when they are old enough for the Jedi Trails.
She is definitely on the level of Jedi knight. It clear Maul underestimated her and did not want to kill her. But she held her own and all the training she got from Anikan shows she matured!
Keep in mind that if Anakin would have stayed in the Jedi Order, I do think he would have replaced Cin Dillrag as the Premier Jedi Battlemaster. Due to he have gotten a talented teenaged Jedi Padawan to be competitive with a Sith Lord of Maul's caliber.
What I more impressed about is that they finally used motian capture in this duel making it more realistic and smooth. That makes this duel my favorite in the entire serie
This was the closest I've seen them make anyone in the cartoon look like the way maul used his saberstaff in Ep 1. up until ow it always felt like they were using the staff like some super long handled reg saber. This fight flowed like the way Ray park did it. this goes for Rebels also.
Vina Le he’s only a poor closer because of plot, he couldn’t kill both Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan because Obi-Wan is in the OT and also Anakin would not have been trained. Can’t kill Ahsoka because she’s in Rebels
Skank Hunt42 absolutely agree with this. If you read the books that he’s in he doesn’t have an issue killing Jedi or forcing them to sabotage their lives out of fear of what he will do to their padawans or friends. The only times he’s really hesitant is with obi wan and Ashoka because of future plots.
I think that we have to take into consideration that this duel would have ended much more quickly if maul had been trying to actually kill ahsoka... Personally I think that maul is more powerful than a lot of people give him credit for... Then again, so is ahsoka but still
Maul had 2 good Force power feats in the last 2 episodes. The casual way he deflected blaster bolts with the Force and how he handled the clones in the following episode.
@@RW.40 they really do. He displayed some serious power when he crippled the Venator with the Force. He hasn't used Force lightning (as far as I know) so people think he's good with a sabre but weak with the Force.
She did her best, she was outmatched most of the duel while Maul was clearly holding back. Even Ahsoka admitted she tried to kill him and that's why she made that sarcastic comment about how difficult Maul is to kill. Plus she was disarmed and outmatched all the fight, so she was pretty much doing her best for win. Principal difference here is, Maul had several opportunities to finish her during their fight, he choosed not to, Ahsoka didn't have any opportunity to take the upper hand, so much less kill him, except in the end, thanks of him rejecting kill her one more time.
The difference here is someone who is determined to make things right vs someone who'd basically given up now just fighting for that very slim chance to defeat sidious
Legendary_ X no she could have at the end if she dropped him. Also if this was Rebels Ahsoka she would have won. Rebels Ahsoka lasted a minute against Vader and TCW Ahsoka lasted a minute against Maul.
I think the gimmick was cool tho the way they did it. Didn’t expect her to say yes. And when her reasoning for rejecting it was to defend anakins honor, it was like her clinging to the last bit of hope that exists. But maul is right and we know it. Which makes her rational more devastating
Mr. Luca LN or she could let herself fall and land fine. But hey it’s makes more sense the way it happened then the way you are trying to make maul win.
@@BlankZombie She didn't have any lightsabers when she stopped his lightsaber attack at the end either and still came out the victor so yea.. My point stands
As far as I'm concerned she could contend with at least some Jedi Knights that we've seen in Clone Wars who weren't main cast. Like the one Savage faced before he got his saber. She was trained by some of the strongest Jedi of her time and light saber forms play into the matchups as well. Im not imagining average Jedi Knights stack up to Anakin and Obi Wan very well in my opinion. Hell, she's survived Grievous and Ventress throughout the clone wars. People gotta stop treating her as if she's an average Padawan just because they love Maul.
I think Maul's robot legs diminished his acrobatic abilities. If he still had is organic legs he would have been swifter and he would have had an easier time with evasion and stuff. It maybe a minimal difference but there is still a difference.
@Jamie oliver is gae yes and you understood what I was trying to say what does it matter. Give me another word that's more correct or whatever and I'll happily edit it for you.
Probably not... We know from Rebels that Maul continues looking for someone to help him... but reasons for wanting to defeat Sidious have never been 'because its what needs to be done'
Exactly... We've seen him fight way harder against Sidious and Kenobi... He's killed Qui-Gon, many other jedi knights, and even took on Mace Windu and Aayla Secura briefly at the same time and did very well. He definitely held back.
Youngprodigy Prez I would disagree because she has been trained by Anakin obi wan and today I would find it hard to believe for her not to be close to top tier duelist especially by this time. Also the fact that her own fighting style is probably the most offensive and hard to counter when it comes to lightsaber styles it really does make sense for her to be able to hold against maul. Also she was holding back too.
Mason Guthrie Just because you were trained by good people doesn’t make yourself good. Darth Malgus trained Darth Karrid and she was a poor duelist compared to the Sith Master who trained her and was worshipped by Sidious to be the greatest Sith warrior in the ancient Sith Order. And at least Ahsoka had the determination to capture Maul, even if it wasn’t killing she wanted to beat Maul in order to then him in, the latter was simply uninterested and therefore lacked the motivation like Ahsoka to keep the duel, which was evident by the fact that Maul for a Juyo specialist was the one going on the defensive in the 2nd part of the duel. Let me remind you that if you believe Ahsoka was aggressive, Maul’s form, Juyo according to the Jedi Path Manual Guide have stated that Juyo was the most aggressive out of all saber forms and mastery can even obliterate the defence of a Soresu Master. Maul was noted to be a practitioner of Juyo, Niman and likely used Teras Kasi as his substitution for the second form that is reconnmended before picking up Juyo, the fact that he deflected Ahsoka blitzkrieg fighting style while himself being a master of an offensive form rather than a defensive form shows how Maul>Ahsoka. And the fact that an uninterested, unmotivated Darth Maul disarmed 3 times in the duel, which in the Jedi Path is noted indication of superiority in duels, further demonstrates that Maul could have defeated Ahsoka if he was indeed trying.
Freeze at 4:51 and just look at the frame. What a beautiful story it tells and I feel it completely answers this videos premise. If you don’t see it look at where Maul is staring, and look where the forward tip of his lightsaber is. This fight is over right in this moment. All Maul has to do is barely flick his wrist, an attack he is clearly focusing on, he sees it, she doesn’t. Perhaps all she has to do is lift her foot by sensing it with the force but I still find this frame compelling.
Fun fact: If like many others and I, you noticed Maul and Ashokas fight seemed very real it’s because it is! It was Mo-Cap. You can tell by the very “living” movements.
This is really interesting because we all came into it knowing that neither would die but that Maul would inevitably be captured. I think Ahsoka had to win for the sake of the plot, but I don’t think either was trying to kill the other and were holding back. Without the clones I would say stalemate
Ya know what's neat, I agree with a lot of the comments about Maul mostly having the upper hand in their battles. However watching the scenes where you slowed it down, Ahsoka had multiple times where a simple movement would have ended Maul for good. I think each of them wanting the other to remain alive(for different reasons of course) made it hard to determine a winner. It seems to me like they both held back since the goal was not just to kill the bad guy and move on.
This is some of the best Star Wars period...and Ahsoka's character development is what Rey should have had. Imagine what could have been had Filoni been at the head of Ep 7, 8, and 9; he gets it.
Maul is missing half his organic body (see anakins power vs suited and limbless vaders power) and had only been back in civilization for like 2 years, he is not the same jedi killer as he was in EP 1 and you could tell he is seemingly saving his best for his perceived real enemies, obi wan anakin or palpatine. Also Asokha was on the path to becoming an elite jedi and even a council member had nothing happened to her and the order, she was that promising and had constant war, several duels with sith acolytes and adept saber wielders like ventress and grievous, and had the most naturally powerful jedi out there as her master to hone her skills for 3 plus years during the clone wars, she is more powerful than most give credit.. also, maul could've ended her a couple times and didnt until the end when she as expecting it and had to use her amazing agility to flip the switch on him
Nah, maul is way better than he was in the phantom menace. Rage is a powerful tool which maul wasn’t using here. Maul went toe to toe with sidious, and handily disarmed ahsoka several times in the duel. He could’ve killed her easily, he just wasn’t trying to. He was recruiting her, and was also trying to escape before order 66z
@@allansh828Guys Im on your side guys, maul should have looked a little stronger than he did in the ep but its what we got and was still dope af, so i just try to make sense of it with my lore knowledge, thats all.. but no not likely bariss would defeat maul however asokha was limited and not going for the kill in their duel as well, although she did get clearly bested. bariss also is a little older than asokha and another elite padawan with combat experience too. she was also likely tapping into the darkside when she fought anakin and asokha in that arc and was a little stronger at the time cause of it.
Everyone been saying that Maul "dominated" But I don't really see that Maul didn't want to kill Ahsoka, but it was the same for Ahsoka not wanting to kill Maul There were 2 parts of their fight The first part they were pretty evenly matched Maul did win the 2nd part But it was somewhat circumstantial That platform greatly weakened Ahsoka's agility and favored Maul's strength
And he was trying to escape. He knew what order 66 was and would become. Ahsoka was just trying to capture. When one person is focused on trying to escape, they become a bit more psychotic yet also unpredictable.
I'd agree that it's clearly not the case that Maul dominated this fight but it is clear that of the two Maul is the superior duelist. Ahsoka does win but she's able to accomplish that only because maul deliberately ignores opportunities to kill her. It is a great fight though
@@tiredjediknight3110 Well yeah. Anakin was clearly stronger than Obi-Wan too but we all know how that turned out. Star Wars isn't Dragon Ball. You don't insta-win by having the higher number.
@@percussionfellow6168 yes... But if you're referring to who is more powerful in the force (has a higher midichlorian count) then having more points so to speak does give you an advantage. Its not a guarantee of success but it does mean the odds are more stacked in your favour even if only slightly. But overall I agree, by all rights Ahsoka should have lost this fight but she didn't because of the circumstances in play.
Sean Lann thank you no one seems to add the terrain in as the huge disadvantage to Ahsoka so it is nice to see someone in the comments noticing that as well. I think the reason people are so against Ahsoka winning is because people still view her as a high level Padawan but in all honesty she surpassed that standered even before she left so it’s not really that much of a stretch to advance her more as she has aged. Also quick question how long has Ahsoka been gone from the order when this takes place.
The Mouse: Commander Kennedy, the time has come. Execute Order 66. Kathleen Kennedy: Yes my lord. *Proceeds to kill everything great about Stars Wars except the Shows*
@@dazo1794 Just no, all sequel films were utterly terrible, devoid of logic, destroyed best characters and their legacies and are filled with SJW and political agendas, you cant put them in the same category as 1-6, the last jedi was not a good film, maybe if you like cool FX and a few lasers and maybe chewie's face
jde 4472 just my opinion mate. I thought force awakens had awesome cinematography, set design, introduced a fantastic villain to the series, and brought back the fun element to the franchise after the dull and lifeless prequels, although ye it was really safe and not a lot of creativity. That’s why I liked last jedi for not being a new Hope ripoff and actually taking the story in a bold new direction, and didn’t fall into the trap of remaking ESB, on top of its amazing cinematography, effects, and characters that talk normally and don’t behave like mindless drones again like the prequels. Rogue One was an amazing spinoff that adds to a new hope and has some of the best action scenes in the entire saga, and solo was a good addition to the crime elements of Star Wars, which I like. Rise of Skywalker tho did fuck up massively, and is one of my most hated amongst episode 1 and 2
Yes and No. I personally I think Maul is tied with Windu as the best Duelist in Star Wars. Since we will never see Windu fight Maul I can really tell who better. But the only reason Maul ever loses a duel is because pf his arrogance to finish the duel. He's extremely cocky and has a need to dominate his opponent. His gloating in Phantom Menace is the reason he lost to Obi Wan He'd win the the match but lose to Anakin cause he wouldn't kill him when he gets the chance
@@The_Tavern Yoda and Palpatine are the best duelists in Star Wars at this point with Anakin and Mace not too far behind. Maul is more Obi-Wan level and probably even slightly below him by ROTS. Normal Anakin would beat him in a good fight, enraged Anakin would give him the Dooku treatment
@@STEELGMBL Yoda, Anakin, Mace, and probably Dooku are all better than Maul. Obi-Wan held his own against Maul and Savage at the same time and even managed to cut off Savage's arm. Obi-Wan is at least equal to Maul. He is THE master of Soresu after all
Ashoka had lots of opportunities to strike maul when he spun to gain momentum, and maul had a few as well as at the end. It seems neither wanted to kill the other and it showed throughout the dual.
4:54 i only just noticed now with it slowed down that Ahsoka's light sabres are connecting with the floor and actually indenting it slightly as shes backflipping there. such a tiny detail but i love it XD
going off topic but holy shit this duel was so beautifully-animated. it's right up there with the highest-quality video game cutscenes. no more jerky 1-2-1-2 synchronized movements
I really want to know why Ahsoka decided to change how she held her lightsabers. She almost always held her lightsabers in a reverse grip, and if she did hold it in the traditional way it was never for very long. For almost this entire fight she held them in the traditional manner, something I can’t ever remember her doing.
Maul never ended her, he kept just taking advantage then backing off. He could've cut the platform off and let her fall. Also, you just focus on Juyo as if the form itself doesn't REQUIRE you to combine 2 forms of lightsaber combat into 1. Namely for Maul Ataru and Niman, he knows Ataru he fought Quigonn an Ataru user...wtf are you talking about maul isnt' used to this? Every Jedi we seen him come in combat with except Obi-wan was an aggressor.
Ahsoka had an even more aggressive form of ataru because of her second blade and her djem so counters so yes it would be something that maul would not have ever faced before. Also Ahsoka could have easily survived the fall through force augmentation if he cut the beam.
I think Ahsoka is far more powerful than most of us realize. She never got to the rank of knight, but I believe she was about to do so. And she's likely the living form of the Daughter from Mortis. And Maul is highly distracted by his vision, so not likely at his best during the duel.
Exactly. Trained by both Anakin and Obi-Wan and spent most of her apprenticeships on the front lines commanding troops. Fact is when they fight she hasn't reached her peak yet and Maul is way past his prime. When they meet again in Rebels he pretty much acknowledges she stronger than him.
@thestupendouswave I really love and appreciate your videos. You do an excellent job. If I may, I would like to politely point out two things in the video that you said which are incorrect usage of the "terms". One is that you said you were "entitled to agree", when the actual saying is "inclined to agree." The other is something you said twice, which was "in an effect" instead of "in effect." I only bring these two up as you do such a great job and I know you take these videos seriously and you want them to be the very best they can be. Thanks for the great videos!
You remember that Qui-Gon used Ataru against Maul? In this case surroundings were against him and his age too. So Ahsoka would be at severe disadvantage at location 2 - not enough viable vectors.
1.) "Ahsoka has been training throughout the entire war. She's earned this." - Fighting droids for 3 years isn't the same as dueling. Maul was specifically designed to duel Jedi Masters and trained in that specialization for 15 years. If you trained 5 times more than someone else then you should be massively superior. Also, Ahsoka hasn't trained or touched a lightsaber in months (but somehow came out of that even stronger and faster than before), while Maul has been constantly fighting the highest-tiered enemies during SOD. 2.) "Ahsoka was trained by Anakin, the strongest Jedi duelist". - Yep and Maul was trained by Sidious, who is far more experienced in the force and would wipe the floor with Anakin during ROTS. - Also do I even need to explain how Yoda is a stronger duelist than Anakin? The evidence should be obvious. 3.) Maul has shown better dueling feats - In TCW Maul defeats Savage Oppress and Obi Wan on multiple occasions. - In TCW Maul keeps up with Sidious in a very fast, intense duel. He even lands a kick on him which is impossible for all but the very highest tier characters. - In TCW Ahsoka runs from Grievous, loses to Ventress, and loses to Bariss. - In SOD Maul fights Windu and Aayla Secura at the same time and says "Now this is a fair fight." He holds his ground and the battle is a stand-still. He also fights Dooku to a stand-still and defeats Grievous. 4.) "Maul lost because of his arrogance" - This "trait" of Maul's is unrealistic and has been a long-standing writers tool (a.k.a. emergency option) to remove him from fights. In every fight he's lost, Maul pushed the much weaker hero into an impossible situation, but then for the hero's benefit, he will suddenly turn dumb for a few seconds and allow the hero to pull an outrageous maneuver that even a youngling could counter. He is the only character that gets this repetitive treatment, and to me that is cheap and makes all his fights predictable. If you make a grave mistake in life will you do it again? And again? And again? Obviously not. Because we all have a basic learning ability. But Maul is robbed of that competence and is never allowed to do anything like a Sith Lord. That is why we expected Ahsoka to win no matter what, because Maul's writing will cripple him. 5.) Ahsoka has the Strongest Plot Armor - The best evidence to see how strong Ahsoka's plot armor is is to watch Rebels. She actually lands hits on Vader of all people (f**king what?) and Filoni introduced time travel to save her. Freaking TIME TRAVEL. He literally tore the very fabric of time and space in Star Wars to prevent her from losing. If that's not the ultimate plot armor then I don't know what is.
She manhandled the inquisitor though. It was pretty evident that she was a far superior duelist to Ezra and Caanan, she was the closest thing they had to a Jedi master..I'm not sure that was plot armor in that instance
@@willnotez6976 Manhandling an Inquisitor and being stronger than Kanan and Ezra aren't very impressive feats. First off with the Inquisitors - Sidious specifically says in the canon Darth Vader comics that they were limiting the training of the Inquisitors to keep them less powerful, and that definitely showed when Kanan killed the Grand Inquisitor (the strongest one) while only being at the relative level of an initiated Knight. As for Kanan and Ezra - Kanan is a washed up Jedi who doesn't have nearly enough experience or classical training to be anywhere near a master's level, and Ezra is his Padawan and even weaker. Is Ezra strong in the force? Yes. But it never fully blooms into anything beyond Knight level. The fact is, beating those characters is easy and nowhere near the same league as standing up to Vader. They are tiny mole hills compared to a giant mountain. Ahsoka has had no access to Jedi Master training and has only fought Inquisitors since Order 66 while Vader is the Chosen One, has been trained by Sidious, and has been slaughtering Jedi Masters in the comics for years. To make her at his level makes no sense and shows just how blatant the favoritism for her really is. Add the time travel element I mentioned and she has plot armor to the highest degree.
@@jasonsinn9237 but it showing how much more powerful she was compared to Ezra and Kanan. Before leaving the order, she was probably already at Knight Level, one could make the argument that her ordeal could be seen as her Trial. You don't think she continued to train, become stronger with in The Force?? And Ezra and Kanan already looked at her as a master-sque character. Its not farfetched for her to be able to Hold her own with Vader, seeing that she was Anakin's apprentice.
Will Notez It definitely is far fetched. Because anakin changed his whole duelling style when he became vader so ashoka doesn’t even know the ins and outs of him anymore she was duelling someone she has never faced before
@@willnotez6976 Again, saying Ahsoka's stronger than Ezra and Kanan isn't a good way to compare her against Vader. That's like saying since she can defeat a lvl 10 character then she can beat a lvl 100. She was Anakin's apprentice for 3 years (where she fought mostly droids and barely got into any duels) and when she fought him as Vader it was 14 years later. TreeWop is right Vader had a massively different fight style by then and he had mastered every form of lightsaber combat (confirmed in the comics). Again, Ahsoka fought 1 or 2 Inquisitors during those 14 years while Vader had killed dozens of Jedi Masters and was being trained by Sidious. By actual feats and facts, Vader should be leagues above Ahsoka. I think you're underestimating just how powerful Vader is supposed to be. He's the chosen one, one of the strongest Sith in history and just barely below Sidious. By the time of Rebels he's supposed to be a walking army that can only be defeated by Sidious and possibly Yoda. Sure Ahsoka could have trained to become a master, but simply being a master is not a threat to Vader. You'd have to be far beyond that in the highest tier possible.
Ahsoka's rank padawan is formal. Real skill is knight. Jedi Council had agree with this at final of season 5. And of course she won. Battle does not endure the subjunctive mood. What may be happen or not doesn't play a role. Maul was captured.
His feats in the last 2 episodes were pretty good. Casually flicking blaster bolts away with the force and easily breezing through the clones using just the force.
@@bjrnhalfhand2258 Yes but somehow pirates were able to damage his robotic legs, it doesn't make sense how pirates can shoot better than clones especially with lower grade blasters
@@jonbragg5175 honestly I wasn't trying to use it as an argument or anything I just thought those feats were pretty impressive. I agree that the pirates shouldn't have been able to do that if the clones can't. Or to put another way, the clones should have been able to if the pirates could. I guess you could argue that Maul has grown more powerful since then. People always argue that both Obi Wan and Ahsoka have grown so much more powerful than their early days. What do you make of Maul deflecting those blaster bolts in the previous episode?
See, keeping in mind their respective objectives - Ahsoka wanted to capture Maul, Maul wanted to escape and take Ahsoka with him - there's really no question about who won the fight. Ahsoka did. Because this is a fight - it doesn't matter how you win, or what either side considers as "winning," it only matters that you win. Ahsoka achieved her objective of capturing Maul even if that only happened because the battle against the Mandalorians ended in time for the clones to show up. Maul lost even though he disarmed Ahsoka and held her life in his hands, because he wanted an apprentice and failed. The what-ifs don't matter. The results do. Ahsoka won the fight.
Maul didn’t want to win he didn’t even try, he disarmed her twice and didn’t even go for the kill both times. Also he couldn’t kill Ashoka because he wanted her to join him
Thank you! Someone who gets it! The coulda, shoulda, woulda’s are nice and all, but the ultimate, concrete *result* is what matters. A win is still a win. It doesn’t matter that Sideous “could have” finished off Vader with force lightning, but wanted to fry his son in front of him instead. Only ONE of them got thrown down a shaft!
TBH I think that Maul did win, considering that he disarmed Asokha at the end of the fight. If he wanted her dead, he could have killed her, but that wasn't really his goal.
fan of Star Wars , exactly, Mace being the one to beat palpatine( that being debatable on if palpatine let him or not.) Ahsoka was about ventress level maybe a bit higher and had less experience, maul also held his own against sidious for a while, who was the third greatest duelist maybe second.
Maul appears to have been holding back, as indicated by his desire to bring Ahsoka to his side, and could be inferred to hold a decisive advantage in skill and power, enough to comfortably defeat Tano had he been going all out. Ahsoka isn't solely an Ataru user, and has proficiency with Form V, Shien/Djem So, having been trained by Anakin (who mastered the form) and frequently employing a reserve grip emblematic of Shien. Her style isn't solely Ataru, and would most likely have Form V influences (primarily around counterattacking and bolstering her defensive efforts) as a supplement. She still uses Ataru as a primary form as indicated by her integration of hand-to-hand combat, acrobatic fighting style etc. She also employs Jar'Kai (most likely the Ataru variant of it). Maul's use of Juyo, while providing considerable offensive output in an unpredictable manner, would leave him open to counters and create a weak defense.
Yeah, maul won no question. If he truely released his anger at ahsoka like he did at the end of the episode when his death wasn’t granted he would’ve finished her.
Maul was very disappointed neither Obi or Anakin showed up. He was depressed the whole fight and didn’t really care. If he was angry he would have destroyed Ashoka. He also didn’t want to kill her. Side note: with this new animation, I would love to see a crazy duel between someone. Maybe maul could fight Anakin??? Idk
@Dylan Emery Maul could've killed her after their last word exchange, no? He tried cutting her down when there were much better options for a finish. He was also trying to escape so not the smartest fighter of the two.
She was Trained by Him and Anakin. In this case, he is talking about the defensive style of Obi wan that he taught Her. Anakin Taught her everything else
"Apprentice to the strongest Sith that ever lived"
_looks at maul, looks at ahsoka_
confused
Maul
@@billclark5055 it's a joke bc Anakin turns into Darth Vader
@@carwyntam2762 I'm aware. I just had to be extra
Darth Vader is the strongest Sith. It's confirmed by Disney and Battlefront II
@@themightykv-5410 lol. How would BF 2 confirm it? Disney said Sidious is strongest
Clearly Ray Park won the scene. He owned the whole scene with his performance.
Ray and Sam
And Sam Witwer's voice acting on top of that
Sam owned the whole episode. Just the first mentioning of Sidious
Ray Park was involved in this fight?
@@an0rangutan yeah he did mocap, Sam does the VO
I say Maul is the winner, and here's my deciding factor. During the duel he disarmed Ahsoka twice. He didn't want to kill her and wanted to form an alliance to ruin Palpatine's plan. In his eyes everyone was going to die, that much was obvious. So there was no reason to waste time trying to kill someone who basically was condemned anyway. I do believe Ahsoka was a little over confident in her abilities though. Maul was one of Palpatine's best apprentices, he killed Qui-Gon. And Obi-Wan struggled with Maul multiple times during the Clone War. Maul even technically beat Obi-Wan during their duel on Naboo in The Phantom Menace. Maul has way more experience under his belt than Ahsoka. And some people don't give him enough credit. I mean did you see the way he just casually redirected those blaster shots... Anyway this duel was fantastic but when it comes down to who would win in a fight to the death. I'm giving it to Maul.
Dennis Cook Maul won without question. If he wanted to kill ahsoka he would. And as you said he clearly is more powerful. After losing his brother it seems like he simply dosent care. At the end of the episode he was begging for death. He fears Sidious, not ahsoka.
was gonna say lol. maul is the apprentice of sidious and @$$oka is a padawan, barely knight. im sure maul would have rekt her.
Dennis Cook He disarmed her, but she still held her own
Ahsoka Tano props to her to keep up with maul in general I mean I do believe that he wasn’t in the best psychological condition but probs to her anyway
Gibi O I mean, i think he offerd her the position of his apprentice twice. He clearly held back. He is the superior fighter and if he didnt hold back and unleashed his anger uppon Ahsoka she would’ve been cought by suprise and quickly ended.
Sidious won. Every time you ask yourself "who won?" when talking about the prequels, the answer is always Sidious won.
no
It’s the senate, the senate won
Idk Anakin seem to have won
@@Pwn3dbyth3n00b he lost his wife his child an arm and two legs
@@fuzzybacca4997 but he won the love and forgiveness of his son and apparently that's all that truly matters in a redemption story. Forget all the atrocities he committed. Imagine if Hilters second in command killed Hitler and we all called that redemption.
Question: Who won?
Me, a partial-intellectual: Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
zergthe lol
you won
Well, then you're a Sith lord too
@Stanisław Rusiłowicz you have become the very thing you sought to destroy!
"I will do what I must"
Touching on Maul's inability to close a duel, he seems to want to go for the flashy finisher instead of the simplest. In this duel he could have cut the beam Ahsoka was on causing her to fall but instead opted to swing at her allowing her to disarm and force him off balance due to his robot legs. In Obi-wans duel against him in Ep 1 he taunts Obi instead of just force pushing him to his death. In the last duel against Obi Maul tries to kill him just like how Maul killed Qui-gon which results in Obi-wan knowing exactly what is going to happen and countering Maul. Maul goes for the flashy when he could just go for the simple.
Tyranidus I guess he did let his arrogance with the beam get the best of him what a pity ,thank you for your insight. Also this is why sidous deemed ankain over maul bc he remembered that maul let his arrogance get the best of him & thought vader would be different truly ironic i love it haha.
@@frostburn6784 lmao now that you mention that I have to say you're completely right; all of sidious's former apprentices lost limbs due to arrogance.
she could've jumped
@@cwjack114 true but it's always hard to critique dueling styles of individuals with the power to predict each others moves before they even make them lol
TheyCallMeJosh Hwang I would agree with you lol except for dooku bc he was arrogant in a way bc anakin says “my powers have doubled since the last time we meet” then dooku said “great twice the pride double the fall ” which eventually turned out to be true in that sense ,but if it wasn’t for sidous telling dooku not to kill anakin then its plausible that dooku might’ve won i mean he cut off Anakins arm in attack of clones which is just a stepping stone & you could also argue that grievous might’ve killed Anakin if sidous didn’t want him alive ,but since obi wan was with him they had a fighting chance if that was the case.
Dave Filoni has already said that Maul was the superior duelist and was winning the fight. He also mentioned that Maul lost due to his arrogance and underestimating Ashoka simply being outsmarted.
Am I the only one who wants to see Ahsoka and Maul working together.🤷♂️
mateo_xv they kind of did in Rebels I think
No,it could be amazing!
Considering in episode 11 their stuck on a ship where they're both on the list to be executed very likely for episode 12.
Too bad they didn’t 😢
Ebiegberi Adonkie but like Rebels is literally for babies having only 2 scenes that have hints of clone wars, Asokha vs Vader, and Maul vs Obi-Wan
The way I see it: Maul won the lightsaber duel (he managed to disarm Ahsoka), but Ahsoka won the fight as a whole (she used his strength against him, causing him to fall and thus capturing him as a result).
Omar Sykes
They both disarmed each other.
What do you call a win? Maul could have killed her in the throne room but he doesn't want her dead so Maul cant win unless he kills her so he would have to keep fighting without killing or running.
@@TheAwesome45 When did she disarm Maul?
@@gamegalaxy765 A win doesn't entirely mean the person has to kill their opponent, and I literally described what I call a win (in two ways) in my original comment lol.
Omar Sykes yes good point Maul was a better light saber duelist but she was the victor in the end..
Maul was the winner, he had two chances to defeat her but he didn’t want to. He was the superior duelist and that was shown when he disarmed her twice. Ahsoka looked like she pushed him but she was way to tired. It was maul’s overconfidence that lost him the fight. But if he was fighting to kill, he would’ve won.
What prevented Maul from defeating Ahsoka? Maul did. He did not win, because his own fatally flawed plan to tempt her to the Dark Side prevented him. He wanted a victory he was unable to claim, and so did not win even the victory he might have been able to win.
Maul being stupid does not give him the victory - it specifically prevented him from gaining the victory. Had he had a better plan, it would have been a very different fight - but the only one to blame for that is Maul himself.
I think if the fight continued longer than 2 minutes, she would've been in serious danger. It only took Maul 1 min 45 sec to exhaust her and disarm her twice .... imagine if it had lasted atleast 5 mins like when he went against quiet gon and obi wan... she'd be dead
Thank You.
Why is it so deep to y’all lol y’all can’t just enjoy the fight
Landon Palmer it’s us nerds in this dude
I love how they gave back the double-bladed lightsaber to Maul only for this duel.
The Living Paradox he used it in rebels, well it was an inquisitor one but still a double blade
dazo 179 yeah i know, but he always only had his one hilt previously in The Clone Wars. He merged his hilt with Asajj from Dark Diciple.
The Living Paradox ah I get ya, read son of dathomir but not dark disciple so al av to check that one out soon
The Living Paradox how does maul have assajj lightsaber
I almost expected Ahsoka to slice Maul’s saberstaff. It would explain why he later wielded one that belonged to an unknown Inquisitor
Bruh ashoka’s character design is amazing
Spread thou cheeks: For real they should have done the movies based on Asokah and not that dam ray!
@@macruz8503 shes gonna be in the mandalorian season 2
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Ashoka is the BEST! I love her 💝💕
Basically he didnt want to kill her cuz he wanted her to join him...
Basically she didn't want to kill him because she needed information.
Steven Hiller listen you people overrate Ashoka I love her but she could never kill a maul who wants to kill her she would hold her own you really think Ashoka is better than maul? It’s debated if maul is powerful than kenobi and if you think she is your the most clapped Star Wars fan
@@stevenhiller2253 She couldn't kill him even if she wanted to. Meanwhile he could've killed her multiple times during this duel yet clearly hesitated (Hell even while he was holding back he was still dominating).
Maul is definitely better than her. Ahsoka is gifted but, she isnt even top 100 jedi in season 7. Maul was holding back. Ahsoka was lucky she wasnt on the frontlines like most of the jedi council member. Most of the powerful jedi were on the frontlines during Order 6 with hundred of clones behind them went they got the Order.
There is a green alien insectoid jedi knight who killed about 20 clones that attacked him. We saw Cal's master, Vos, Krell, and others kill jedi much easier than her. Keep in mind there are thousands of jedi in star wars before Order 66. Now after Order 66 she is probably top 10 or 20 jedi because only about 100 survive anyway.
Now I do think Ahsoka would surpass Maul during Rebels. She is 34 and has master level experience by then. Ahsoka has knight level experience right now and she has good feats but nothing on Maul's level. She lost to Barris, lost to Grievous, and struggled against Pre Vizsula just a year ago in season 5. She also lost to bo Katarn.
Every jedi fought in the clone wars so that's not an advantage for her. It was a tough war for everyone.
Ahsoka is gifted and she benefits having Anakin as a master but people overhyped that. Sometimes a jedi is way stronger or weaker than his or her master. Vos is one of the strongest jedi in canon but, there is nothing special about his master in combat.
Dooku is a level above Qui Gon and Yoda is a level above Dooku. Vos is a level above Aayla Secura. Also keep in kind that Maul is very troubled about Order 66 and is terrified of Sidious. Remember that his mother also just died and his brother before that. Ahsoka is great but, is at least a level below Maul.
She never even best anyone like Qui Gon, Aayla Secura, Plo Koon, Ventrese, season 5 Savage, Grievous, or Shaak Ti. She hasn't even beat someone like Barris. Feats matter, but I still wish they would have handled it differently. They should have had some clones or death watch troopers help her win.
And though Maul was more powerful he did lose to Ahsoka. He let her kick him and throw him during the initial engagement. And kept fighting when he disarmed her plus she threw him off in the end of the fight. Now it Maul tried he would have beaten her, but would still struggle because he's mentally unstable with the loss of his mother and brother and fear of Order 66. But he would beat her in 2 minutes if he was 100%, the same guy that took over Mandalore, or Maul from TPM.
@JAYLAN YOUNG - STUDENT that was like in season one, when Ahsoka was still a teenager and not as powerful as she is now.
One thing I realized about myself is every Star Wars light saber duel that’s my favorite involves Maul.
Omg me too lol except anakin vs obi wan of course...
My favorite are the season 4-6 Dooku vs Anakin fights in the show. And the Ventress vs Obi wan and Anakin fight
@JAYLAN YOUNG - STUDENT lol thanx;)
Okay im not gonna lie when Maul got kicked out of that window I laughed really hard 😂😂
Just the "SEE YA" way it went
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It was awesome. Ahsoka is amazing. I love that she has on multiple occasions disarmed lightsaber wielding opponents with her bare hands. She is hands down my favorite Star Wars character.
Aaron Talks Culture it’s funny how her last encounter with bo-katan they were punching each other
We just gonna ignore how ahsoka flat out yeeted maul out the window
I can picture maul saying: gonna catch me riding dirty
As he falls
Force Augmentation helluva drug
Well he wanted to escape anyway after she refused him, so i guess he just went with it
I think it was a force kick to launch him like that
Levi Moore he was thinking: “I’m going to put some dirt in your eye “
I think ahsoka pushed him and he also kind of just left. If he was trying to kill her he would’ve jumped back through and attacked her. Maul has given up, he couldn’t recruit ahsoka, and there’s no point hanging around as his forces are losing and order 66 is right around the corner
I’m really confused why so many are claiming Ashoka won. Maul clearly didn’t want to kill her, he wanted her to join him. He even disarmed her at the end and could have finished her right there. Plot armor was on Ashokas side.
Facts, little pussies like to think otherwise
Finally an intellectual
Aye fr tho
He disarmed her, she lost her sabers, disarming doesn't always mean a win.
Plot armour is always a factor, however just because you've disarmed, doednt mean they can take a kill, disarming someone is usually because you've got the opponent in a position where they can no longer hold their weapon, however they can still move, and the enemys move wasn't a killing blow, it was a disarment, ahsoka once she lost her sabers, multiple times, she evaded the incoming follow up attack.
He then went for the kill and ahsoka utilised the fact he was using staff and countered it.
You could say he had an opportunity too kill her, but I don't think he did. Just my opinion.
I mean, you cant claim plot armor, because both Maul and Ashoka have plot armor
Maul wasn’t trying to kill her, and he also didn’t seem to care too much about the outcome. He lives for revenge at this point, and his plans to foil sidious had all failed, meaning he has no purpose to live at this point.
Plan 1: kill anakin, failed as anakin didn’t show up
Plan 2: recruit ahsoka, also failed, so maul might as well quit wasting time and run away or just die cuz he has no chance alone against sidious or all those clones
We the viewers won, it was a beautifully crafted and choreograped fight, easily the best in any of the animated shows!
This was star wars at its finest
Maul could have killed her but didn't want to. He disarmed her and had her at death point at the end if the duel despite holding back. Technically maul won!
Like Vader, Dooku, even Kylo vs Rey, they are all toying/trying to recruit
@Tucac Starkiller With like 3 opportunities to kill her. Yeah, he dominated Ahsoka.
@Tucac Starkiller he did. He could have killed her easily. But he didn't want to.
@Tucac Starkiller oh yes the fuck he did
@Tucac Starkiller Don't change the subject.
Definitely a top 10 clone wars episode. The Pong Krell arc will always be up there as well.
I believe the Phantom Menace is Darth Sidious thus the Phantom Apprentice is Anakin Skywalker.
Great breakdown of the duel!
Correct
We all know it's jarjar thus the phamtom apprentice is sidious, and the episode was about how that apprentice brought doom to the galaxy
Maul won, I think he was just so paranoid about that future and the fact that he didn't want to kill her
I love how she’s used her form to land huge, hard shots! Each swing is an aggressive chop but not sloppy in any way. It was beautiful
I like how they did this because you can make both sides happy you can argue that maul was the winner if he didn't give her another chance but you could also say that Ahsoka won cuz in the end she captured.
This is basically the case. Maul could have won and most likely would have had he committed to killing her sooner but the fact is he didn't and as a result Ahsoka actually did end up winning.
It’s pretty obvious Maul would’ve won if not for plot and continuity, since she lives in Rebels. He cornered her so many times but kept asking her to join him or just doing the typical bad guy stare instead of stabbing her through the chest.
I mean, you could essentially say that of literally every character in a prequel series, including Maul!
Let me remind you who got cut in half and survived on his rage alone. If you wanna be petty about it Maul shouldn't be alive to fight Ahsoka several times over. In the Phantom Menace and when Palpatine finds him and kills Savage and beats him. If not for plot he would have killed Maul on the spot.
magortom nothing but facts, people always try to down play ashoka when in reality she’s very strong
magortom Wrong, Maul wasent no push over. When they 1v1 he pushed back Sidious a few times and he realised he had to end the duel quickly with his superiority in the force. Maul is one of the best lightsaber duelists of all time lol. Ahsoka isn’t on his level at all. Maul killed Gui Gon a Jedi Master 1v1, killed Pre Visla 1v1. Went toe to toe with Dooku AND Grievous at the same time to escape and defeated them. Went toe to toe with Sidious 1v1 putting up a good fight. Could have killed Obi Wan after killing his master but due to his arrogant nature didn’t and got cut in half. Faced Obi Wan numerous times in the Clone Wars and made him run several times. Now tell me, what has Ahsoka done or achieved that makes you think she can even be compared to Maul in lightsaber combat or the force? I’d like to know.
@@chandler5312 Thing is I never once said Maul was a pushover, I didnt even say Ahsoka is better than him. All I said is that if we are discrediting Ahsoka (who very clearly in a canon episode held her own against Maul) based on plot convenience then we have to hold Maul to the same equal standard of he fact that Maul is also alive because thats what the writers wanted to do, no more and no less. You're literally just getting emotional cause you love Maul and putting words into my mouth and trying to compare feats as if we dont have evidence as to what actually happened. So no, I'm not gunna humour you because you're way off topic and ranting. If this makes you feel like you won an argument that no one was having with you than good on you bud, you won, have fun.
Ashoka has elevated SW so much. Love that character
There are many factors in a fight: experience, training, skill, enviroment, mind-set, luck and many more. If we look purely at the outcome then Asoka won. As they say: "The winner is the one left standing". And, yes Maul is still alive however, Asoka achived her objective(to capture Maul), while he did not achive ethier of his two objectives( to recruit Asoka/Escape).
However, if we ignore objectives and the final result and focus on other areas for instance who was more skill or who dominated the fight then a very diffrent picture can be painted. Ignoring plot armor, they both had that. I would say Maul was dominate for most of the fight. He clearly held back hoping to prove a point and convice Asoka to join him(Honestly considering how much he does this I am started to think that Maul is just lonely). As a result of this Asoka came out on top of the first enagement, by kicking him through a window. I would say however Maul was the more dominate figher in this section.
In terms of experience, honestly I don't know. Asoka has gotten so much experience over the Clone Wars. however Maul is older and was trained almostly exclusively in saber combat(if my understanding of his origin is correct). He did however have a long period of time where we did nothing other than become a spider for a while(maybe that where he learnt to weave his intricate plans). In terms of, training they are both at a massively high level.
Honestly I have rambled for to long, and for that I am sorry.
Overall, I would say that the overall victor was Asoka, but the better fighter was Maul and in a straigh fight to the death I would say Maul takes it 8 to 9 times out of 10. However nethier were at their best in this fight, Asoka was, I would imagine, distracted by what Maul said about Skywalker. Meanwhile, Maul wished to recurit Asoka which in the end stopped him from killing her right after disarming her, so he could attempt to recruit her again. this gave her time to collect herself which lead to the result we got.
That thats my 2(honestly is a bit more that two with this lengh) cents on the topic. Sorry for any spelling/grammer errors. I wrote this on my phone.
Good thoughts.
I agree completely and it's nice to see someone who remembers Maul was lost, almost mindless and without legs and then became spider-like for most of his years as a sith while Ahsoka was commander in a war fighting many battles making her a bit more experienced than him.
During a battle to the death, Maul is the clear victor 8-10. However if we go into Rebels I do believe that at that point Ahsoka would beat Maul in a battle to the death. Basically the deciding factor here is Ahsoka's youth.
Pretty much. Nicely put.
While I totally agree with almost all of your points the fact that you give both combatants a fair amount of credit it struck me as odd how you would give maul such a heavy lead overall I would have been expecting a 6/10 in mauls favor not a 8 or 9.
@@masonguthrie1257 I, having though about this more since writing this comment, kind of agree with you. Although I meant, my 8-9/10 to be a straight fight to the death with nothing else other than thier skill and experiance being the deciding factor(sorry for not making that clear). Even now I still think maul wins that enagement(if will look at both the characters in this moment) but I do think that its still higher than a 6/10.
Maybe a 7.5/10. I am basing this of the training Mau recived,being an assasin who was taught 80% lightsaber skill and 20% force abilites( not actually stats there, but form my reading sidious heavily favored his training towards the physical aspect). This should( in theory) give him an edge in a straight death match.. Thats why I think it is more heavily favored towards him. I could be way of the mark with this through. I can however see arguments being made for both sides so.
Out of coursesity. What do you think mauls win rate would look like? If they were to fight one on one, in a completly flat neuatral location.
Also again sorry if this is hard to read.
I mean, Darth maul disarmed her 3 times and then tripped at the end.
I'm still a bit disappointed in it. I mean, Ahsoka is 17 with the experience of a jedi knight. Ahsoka doesnt have any dueling winning feats. She lost to Grievous recently in season 5, lost to the other gifted Padawan Barris (also with jedi knight level experience), and struggled against Pre Vizsla in season 5 at 16. Ahsoka has never beat someone on Aayla Secura, Ventress, season 5 Savage Opress, or even Grievous's level who I think are a tier below Maul and Dooku.
I get that she is gifted, but I dont think she should be able to beat Maul alone yet. Maybe with help from clones or mandalorians but Solo doesn't feel right. Or with an incident that tips it in her favor like a vehicle crashing in the building.
Ahsoka isn't the only jedi who improved during the clone wars. The same is true for hundreds of padawans, knights, or masters. Maul should have a bit more skill than Ahsoka, he has been fighting since he was young and ideally would have learned from his mistake against Kenobi. Otherwise I dont see why Sidious would want to pick him as an apprentice. But imo Maul is also insecure because of Order 66 and is mentally unstable because of the loss of his mother and brother.
Ahsoka nearly lost to less clones than Cal's master, General Krell, some jedi knights, and other jedi have done. Plus she was luckier than several jedi; for instance the council members (Secura, Mundi, Luminara) were usually unlucky and had hundreds of clones behind them when Order 66 went through. So I think jedi like Plo Koon, Aayla Secura, Cal's master, Krell, Barris, etc would also give this Maul a tough fight and would likely beat him. Quinlan Vos would definitely beat Maul with his feats in Dark Disciple and he wiped out dozens of clones on Christophsis.
My point here is that I think Maul is still better than Ahsoka and wasn't at his best here. But Ahsoka might pass him up in another 5 years. Ahsoka in rebels is outright better than Maul though because she is 34 and has master level experience by then.
Right now I still dont think Ahsoka is in the top 100 jedi at the start of season 7. I say this because there are thousands of jedi in the order. To be top 100 is basically being top
1%. I think she is more like top 500 jedi which is still top 5% .
Shakur Wright mall would have killed her either way
@@billclark5055 yeah, she'd be one of the top padawans, if not THE top padawan, of the order. when she was fighting baress disguized as ventress she was caught off guard. but other then that ventress herself seems like she's around the strength of an average jedi master, though reminder here, anakin is FAR stronger then the avarage master (and so is obi wan), while dooku is basiclly on par with windu, who's second in the entire order.
all in all, ahsoka is upper class knight/possibly lower class master level in combat at least, and she's probably better then the avarage masters were before the fall by Rebels, seeing how she just toys with inquisitors and stalls VADER for that long.
@@thebravegallade731 Ventress is definitely better than the average jedi master. She whooped Luminara and held her own vs Luminara and Aayla at the same time. She held her own vs Plo Koon and Fisto. Killed Tholme and also held off vs Ki Adi Mundi who is a top jedi duelist. She also holds her own vs Kenobi and Fisto in legends with the help of some weak minons but nearly killed them both in battle. Was schooling Padawan Anakin in 2d series until he raged and had a Vader level boost.
Padawan Anakin in early CW is better than padawan Ahsoka. Padawan Anakin was already surpassing jedi masters ag that point. He was alreaady the top pilot in the order and he was winning battles leading armies already. Already would give Dooku a close fight at that time. Dooku still would have handilhbeag season 7 Ahsoka and Ahsoka was shocked when she heard Anakin killed Dooku.
Even Kenobi is TPM was about her level. He wasn't fighting in 1 big war but he was 8 years older. He already fought for a whole year protecting Satine vs the Mandalorians. That year of experience in Mamdalore is probably equal to most jedi 3 years in TCW because the mandalorians are elite warriors and fighting them would be brutal. Kenobi also fought in several notable conflicts in legends like the Yinchorri conflict (more brutal than most Clone Wars conflicts), vs Xanatos the fallen jedi knight level prodigy (with Qui Gon's help) and his apprentice who Kenobi bested, Kenobi was fighting off an army of pirates and protecting a village before he even reached Padawan level, Kenobi fought several dangerous creatures during his exploration with Qui Gon, and had fought seveal dangerous bounty hunters and factions with Qui Gon who took many of the most dangerous missions during the peace era (like the Stark Hypersoace War which has been referenced in some canon book so I've heard but without details filled in).
Cal actually has better feats when he is nearing knight level in Fallen Order than Ahsoka right before the Maul fight. Namely defeating Malicos. Beating the 9th sister, 2nd sister, armies of imperials, several dangerous creatures, elite cyborg bounty hunters, several knight brothers, and imperial purge trooper super soldiers making him even better.
@@thebravegallade731 honestly upper class and lower class master level are about the same. Because master is a more political rank anyway. I think Ahsoka is better than Tholme but still weaker than Secura. Way weaker than Fisto who would have mopped the floor with Mual if he fought him the way he fought Ahsoka (which he wouldn't because he was holding back and emotionally unstable). Remember Fisto specializes in fighting enemies with multiple or double bladed weapons and he is a top master who was better than Kenobi as a knight.
I definitely would say Ahsoka is better than Luminara. For sure, so is Barris. Not better than Mundi or Plo Koon. Not better than Sasee Tinn or Eeth Koth. Adi Gallia is supposed to be really good, I guess she just wasn't used to fighting brutal foes like Savagee. I'd say she is a similar level to Gallia but, Gallia is a bit better vs ranged enemies and honestly think Gallia would beat her in a duel (Gallia was a duelining champ) but Gallia would not fare as well against brutal enemies like Savage, Grievous, or Maul because that is her stylistic weakness.
She isnt better than knight level Malicos, Krell, or Tapal. Nope. Definitely not better than Vos. Not better than Cere. Cere was inactive almost 15 years then still hurt Vader in combat right after she came back and soloed 3 super soldiers at once with ease. It is implied that she is still leagues over Cal in the end of the game and the Cere at Fallen Order would go 50/50 with Rebels Ahsoka. That's how strong she is.
0:58 Not padawan. If she hadn't left the order, she would have been a knight.
Andreas Widham So? Maul has killed high tier masters
@@user-fb5ir3zz8l He also had a tough time vs Obi Wan on Phantom menace, who was also officially a "padawan" on his way to becoming a knight (and who was also, at the time, a form 4 specialist).
I think it's very clear that Maul wins, most people would agree on that. But since he doesn't want to kill Ahsoka the duel turns into an exchange to "prove a point", and because of that she gets the chance to recover from several disarm strikes and tough blows. In the end she got the upperhand in very much the same way Obi Wan did on Twin Suns, by using Maul's ego against him (and his long ass staff lol).
I think Maul just has a bad time with heights and ledges, it must be an inside joke at Lucasfilm at this point. A great example of this is when Kanan manages to outsmart Maul on Malachor and throws him off of a cliff lol. Kanan never got to Ahsoka's skill level, his master was killed when he had just become a Padawan. He's basically on the same skill/experience level as SE1 TCW ahsoka.
MS_OfficeSpecialist Maul didn’t have a hard time with padawan kenobi, he was just momentarily caught off guard by kenobi’s sudden spike in aggressiveness and once he recovered and got used to it, he quickly defeated kenobi. Just like how vader was caught of guard by Luke’s sudden spike in power in ROTJ but couldn’t recover and regain his composure quickly because of his cybernetics weighing him down. Filioni ruined maul by making him a blabbermouth villain who gets owned by noobs. Maul was supposed to be mostly silent, cunning and deadly. But filioni took all that away so he can have maul blabber on about his evil plans and typical bad guy banter.
@@user-fb5ir3zz8l i think mauls insanity never fully went away after the metal legs being attached thats why hes not the same person he once was
Yeet Em That’s why he should have never came back, he went from badass to a joke.
Please ahsoka's not a Padawan any longer to be perfectly honest
i can comfortably call Ahsoka as a Top Tiered Jedi Padawan. Yes Top Tiered Jedi Padawans have the skills to be a successful Jedi Knights when they are old enough for the Jedi Trails.
She is definitely on the level of Jedi knight. It clear Maul underestimated her and did not want to kill her. But she held her own and all the training she got from Anikan shows she matured!
Keep in mind that if Anakin would have stayed in the Jedi Order, I do think he would have replaced Cin Dillrag as the Premier Jedi Battlemaster. Due to he have gotten a talented teenaged Jedi Padawan to be competitive with a Sith Lord of Maul's caliber.
As maul said the padawan needed one final lesson. I consider her a Jedi after this.
After her acquittal the Jedi council said that she had faced her trial and is now a knight.
What I more impressed about is that they finally used motian capture in this duel making it more realistic and smooth. That makes this duel my favorite in the entire serie
This was the closest I've seen them make anyone in the cartoon look like the way maul used his saberstaff in Ep 1. up until ow it always felt like they were using the staff like some super long handled reg saber. This fight flowed like the way Ray park did it. this goes for Rebels also.
“In an effect, Maul is a VERY poor closer when it comes to lightsaber duels.”
What about the time he straight up executed pre visla after beating him in combat
@@flaminghawk5369 That's different; Vizla wasn't force sensitive
Vina Le he’s only a poor closer because of plot, he couldn’t kill both Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan because Obi-Wan is in the OT and also Anakin would not have been trained. Can’t kill Ahsoka because she’s in Rebels
Skank Hunt42 absolutely agree with this. If you read the books that he’s in he doesn’t have an issue killing Jedi or forcing them to sabotage their lives out of fear of what he will do to their padawans or friends. The only times he’s really hesitant is with obi wan and Ashoka because of future plots.
Flaming Hawk The aim of that battle was to kill Visla though. Mail wanted to make a statement to Death Watch
And she's young . Form 4 suits her . Also she s very agile . Perfect form for her .
I think that we have to take into consideration that this duel would have ended much more quickly if maul had been trying to actually kill ahsoka... Personally I think that maul is more powerful than a lot of people give him credit for... Then again, so is ahsoka but still
Maul had 2 good Force power feats in the last 2 episodes. The casual way he deflected blaster bolts with the Force and how he handled the clones in the following episode.
@@bjrnhalfhand2258 Yeah, exactly. I feel like people underestimate the force power of Maul.
@@RW.40 they really do. He displayed some serious power when he crippled the Venator with the Force. He hasn't used Force lightning (as far as I know) so people think he's good with a sabre but weak with the Force.
"Who really won?" I give 50% odds to the guy was stunned unconscious.
I love the way you break down the duel, it is basically how I broke it down when watching it myself. Definitely one of the best duels in Star Wars
Ahoska was only technically a padawan. When they invited her back into the order she would have no longer have been a padawan if I remember correctly
For everyone saying Maul didnt want to kill Ashoka, remember that Ashoka also didnt want to kill Maul.
She did her best, she was outmatched most of the duel while Maul was clearly holding back. Even Ahsoka admitted she tried to kill him and that's why she made that sarcastic comment about how difficult Maul is to kill. Plus she was disarmed and outmatched all the fight, so she was pretty much doing her best for win.
Principal difference here is, Maul had several opportunities to finish her during their fight, he choosed not to, Ahsoka didn't have any opportunity to take the upper hand, so much less kill him, except in the end, thanks of him rejecting kill her one more time.
The difference here is someone who is determined to make things right vs someone who'd basically given up now just fighting for that very slim chance to defeat sidious
Oscar Sevilla she couldn’t if she wanted to
Leijona Oneiroi No that was a joke. Ahsoka explicitly only wanted to capture Maul as shown by her saving him at the end of the duel
Legendary_ X no she could have at the end if she dropped him.
Also if this was Rebels Ahsoka she would have won. Rebels Ahsoka lasted a minute against Vader and TCW Ahsoka lasted a minute against Maul.
I wish she would've joined him honestly. When she was like "nah" it felt like a stale star wars gimmick.
It would've been a refreshing change
I think the gimmick was cool tho the way they did it. Didn’t expect her to say yes. And when her reasoning for rejecting it was to defend anakins honor, it was like her clinging to the last bit of hope that exists. But maul is right and we know it. Which makes her rational more devastating
@@catcherboy96 Irony is a strong theme in star wars.
Ahsokas moral compass wouldn’t allow her to run spice. I doubt she would’ve joined a former sith/crime lord.
BazookaAce Ashoka has character and a bond with Anakin. Why would She believe someone She doesn't know over Anakin? That would be dumb af. Sue me!
Maul literally could have won if he just slashed the thin support link at the end of their fight right before Rex showed up
And she could have jumped soon as he went to slash it. So your statement is useless.
ODOGG then what. She doesn’t have any light sabers and maul would just slash her or choke her
Mr. Luca LN or she could let herself fall and land fine. But hey it’s makes more sense the way it happened then the way you are trying to make maul win.
@@BlankZombie She didn't have any lightsabers when she stopped his lightsaber attack at the end either and still came out the victor so yea.. My point stands
@@odogg6899 its her plot armour that saved her at the end when Maul disarmed her but I know what you Ahsoka fanboys are like.
The whole episode I was like 'Holy shit, this is a cartoon...?"
Asoka trained in war. She’s a different breed of “Jedi”.
As far as I'm concerned she could contend with at least some Jedi Knights that we've seen in Clone Wars who weren't main cast. Like the one Savage faced before he got his saber. She was trained by some of the strongest Jedi of her time and light saber forms play into the matchups as well. Im not imagining average Jedi Knights stack up to Anakin and Obi Wan very well in my opinion. Hell, she's survived Grievous and Ventress throughout the clone wars. People gotta stop treating her as if she's an average Padawan just because they love Maul.
Thomas Healy you can basically see her as a grey jedi
Maul sith assasin who would beat any jedi if he didn’t lose 10 years of training cuz of obi-wan
@@TopGuardDawg ??? She's like 14 when she's introduced
Ashoka*
I love Ahsoka. She deserves her own videogame IMO.
Nope
@@OkIPullUp2915 why no she's a really cool character and has one of the best character development
I think both maul and ahsoka would be good choices for videogames
@@ALUCARD-us3il yes
@@ALUCARD-us3il that would be cool
I think Maul's robot legs diminished his acrobatic abilities. If he still had is organic legs he would have been swifter and he would have had an easier time with evasion and stuff. It maybe a minimal difference but there is still a difference.
@Jamie oliver is gae yes and you understood what I was trying to say what does it matter. Give me another word that's more correct or whatever and I'll happily edit it for you.
Nerfed his agility, but buffed his strength. George is kinda fucked up for that low key
Jamie oliver is gae There’s no other word for it. You could say it “made him less strong” which just rolls off the tongue. Nerf works here
@@mal1362 Imagine getting kicked by those metal legs, say goodbye to your bones.
@@cancerousnut7767 Thank you kind sir, those were my thoughts exactly.
Had she joined him, would this have been the "balance to the Force" that we got at the end of Episode IX, but just way sooner?
Probably not... We know from Rebels that Maul continues looking for someone to help him... but reasons for wanting to defeat Sidious have never been 'because its what needs to be done'
Maul definitely was holding back. I’ve seen him much faster and angrier against Palpatine after his brother was killed.
Exactly... We've seen him fight way harder against Sidious and Kenobi... He's killed Qui-Gon, many other jedi knights, and even took on Mace Windu and Aayla Secura briefly at the same time and did very well. He definitely held back.
Ben Kirkey exactly maul not holding back can sometimes beat kenobi who is top tier dualist Ashoka is not a top tier
This was a mocapped fight. It was as fast as it was because it was Ray Parks doing the movement.
Youngprodigy Prez I would disagree because she has been trained by Anakin obi wan and today I would find it hard to believe for her not to be close to top tier duelist especially by this time. Also the fact that her own fighting style is probably the most offensive and hard to counter when it comes to lightsaber styles it really does make sense for her to be able to hold against maul. Also she was holding back too.
Mason Guthrie Just because you were trained by good people doesn’t make yourself good. Darth Malgus trained Darth Karrid and she was a poor duelist compared to the Sith Master who trained her and was worshipped by Sidious to be the greatest Sith warrior in the ancient Sith Order. And at least Ahsoka had the determination to capture Maul, even if it wasn’t killing she wanted to beat Maul in order to then him in, the latter was simply uninterested and therefore lacked the motivation like Ahsoka to keep the duel, which was evident by the fact that Maul for a Juyo specialist was the one going on the defensive in the 2nd part of the duel. Let me remind you that if you believe Ahsoka was aggressive, Maul’s form, Juyo according to the Jedi Path Manual Guide have stated that Juyo was the most aggressive out of all saber forms and mastery can even obliterate the defence of a Soresu Master. Maul was noted to be a practitioner of Juyo, Niman and likely used Teras Kasi as his substitution for the second form that is reconnmended before picking up Juyo, the fact that he deflected Ahsoka blitzkrieg fighting style while himself being a master of an offensive form rather than a defensive form shows how Maul>Ahsoka. And the fact that an uninterested, unmotivated Darth Maul disarmed 3 times in the duel, which in the Jedi Path is noted indication of superiority in duels, further demonstrates that Maul could have defeated Ahsoka if he was indeed trying.
Freeze at 4:51 and just look at the frame.
What a beautiful story it tells and I feel it completely answers this videos premise.
If you don’t see it look at where Maul is staring, and look where the forward tip of his lightsaber is.
This fight is over right in this moment. All Maul has to do is barely flick his wrist, an attack he is clearly focusing on, he sees it, she doesn’t. Perhaps all she has to do is lift her foot by sensing it with the force but I still find this frame compelling.
Fun fact: If like many others and I, you noticed Maul and Ashokas fight seemed very real it’s because it is! It was Mo-Cap. You can tell by the very “living” movements.
Also, Maul's motion-capture was done by Ray Park, the guy who played him in The Phantom Menace!
GBF freeloader in the credits it say Maul Performance...
@GBF freeloader wow you figured this out on your own? or watched youtube videos and read the comments and then posted here ? Lol
This is really interesting because we all came into it knowing that neither would die but that Maul would inevitably be captured. I think Ahsoka had to win for the sake of the plot, but I don’t think either was trying to kill the other and were holding back. Without the clones I would say stalemate
Not like that she didnt. Could have used the ray shield trap like in the book. Or gotten clones or Mandos to help her
Ya know what's neat, I agree with a lot of the comments about Maul mostly having the upper hand in their battles. However watching the scenes where you slowed it down, Ahsoka had multiple times where a simple movement would have ended Maul for good. I think each of them wanting the other to remain alive(for different reasons of course) made it hard to determine a winner. It seems to me like they both held back since the goal was not just to kill the bad guy and move on.
This was such a fluid duel, absolutely beautiful
This is some of the best Star Wars period...and Ahsoka's character development is what Rey should have had. Imagine what could have been had Filoni been at the head of Ep 7, 8, and 9; he gets it.
Maul is missing half his organic body (see anakins power vs suited and limbless vaders power) and had only been back in civilization for like 2 years, he is not the same jedi killer as he was in EP 1 and you could tell he is seemingly saving his best for his perceived real enemies, obi wan anakin or palpatine. Also Asokha was on the path to becoming an elite jedi and even a council member had nothing happened to her and the order, she was that promising and had constant war, several duels with sith acolytes and adept saber wielders like ventress and grievous, and had the most naturally powerful jedi out there as her master to hone her skills for 3 plus years during the clone wars, she is more powerful than most give credit.. also, maul could've ended her a couple times and didnt until the end when she as expecting it and had to use her amazing agility to flip the switch
on him
Ahsoka lost to Barriss. So Barriss is much more powerful than Maul?
Nah, maul is way better than he was in the phantom menace. Rage is a powerful tool which maul wasn’t using here. Maul went toe to toe with sidious, and handily disarmed ahsoka several times in the duel. He could’ve killed her easily, he just wasn’t trying to. He was recruiting her, and was also trying to escape before order 66z
@@allansh828Guys Im on your side guys, maul should have looked a little stronger than he did in the ep but its what we got and was still dope af, so i just try to make sense of it with my lore knowledge, thats all.. but no not likely bariss would defeat maul however asokha was limited and not going for the kill in their duel as well, although she did get clearly bested. bariss also is a little older than asokha and another elite padawan with combat experience too. she was also likely tapping into the darkside when she fought anakin and asokha in that arc and was a little stronger at the time cause of it.
@@dman644 True. Plus when she fought Barris, Ahsoka was seriously out of balance due to her current circumstances.
Everyone been saying that Maul "dominated"
But I don't really see that
Maul didn't want to kill Ahsoka, but it was the same for Ahsoka not wanting to kill Maul
There were 2 parts of their fight
The first part they were pretty evenly matched
Maul did win the 2nd part
But it was somewhat circumstantial
That platform greatly weakened Ahsoka's agility and favored Maul's strength
And he was trying to escape. He knew what order 66 was and would become. Ahsoka was just trying to capture.
When one person is focused on trying to escape, they become a bit more psychotic yet also unpredictable.
I'd agree that it's clearly not the case that Maul dominated this fight but it is clear that of the two Maul is the superior duelist. Ahsoka does win but she's able to accomplish that only because maul deliberately ignores opportunities to kill her. It is a great fight though
@@tiredjediknight3110 Well yeah. Anakin was clearly stronger than Obi-Wan too but we all know how that turned out.
Star Wars isn't Dragon Ball. You don't insta-win by having the higher number.
@@percussionfellow6168 yes... But if you're referring to who is more powerful in the force (has a higher midichlorian count) then having more points so to speak does give you an advantage. Its not a guarantee of success but it does mean the odds are more stacked in your favour even if only slightly. But overall I agree, by all rights Ahsoka should have lost this fight but she didn't because of the circumstances in play.
Sean Lann thank you no one seems to add the terrain in as the huge disadvantage to Ahsoka so it is nice to see someone in the comments noticing that as well. I think the reason people are so against Ahsoka winning is because people still view her as a high level Padawan but in all honesty she surpassed that standered even before she left so it’s not really that much of a stretch to advance her more as she has aged. Also quick question how long has Ahsoka been gone from the order when this takes place.
The Mouse: Commander Kennedy, the time has come. Execute Order 66.
Kathleen Kennedy: Yes my lord.
*Proceeds to kill everything great about Stars Wars except the Shows*
Obi Wan Kenobi eh I liked last jedi, loved rogue one, and FA and solo were decent. They massacred episode 9 tho
@@dazo1794 Just no, all sequel films were utterly terrible, devoid of logic, destroyed best characters and their legacies and are filled with SJW and political agendas, you cant put them in the same category as 1-6, the last jedi was not a good film, maybe if you like cool FX and a few lasers and maybe chewie's face
jde 4472 just my opinion mate. I thought force awakens had awesome cinematography, set design, introduced a fantastic villain to the series, and brought back the fun element to the franchise after the dull and lifeless prequels, although ye it was really safe and not a lot of creativity. That’s why I liked last jedi for not being a new Hope ripoff and actually taking the story in a bold new direction, and didn’t fall into the trap of remaking ESB, on top of its amazing cinematography, effects, and characters that talk normally and don’t behave like mindless drones again like the prequels. Rogue One was an amazing spinoff that adds to a new hope and has some of the best action scenes in the entire saga, and solo was a good addition to the crime elements of Star Wars, which I like. Rise of Skywalker tho did fuck up massively, and is one of my most hated amongst episode 1 and 2
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I can tell you both are the same person with different accounts.
Obi Wan Kenobi um no?
I love the foot work in this fight scene
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I just loved the part where she said anakin would have killed him quick
Yes and No. I personally I think Maul is tied with Windu as the best Duelist in Star Wars. Since we will never see Windu fight Maul I can really tell who better.
But the only reason Maul ever loses a duel is because pf his arrogance to finish the duel. He's extremely cocky and has a need to dominate his opponent. His gloating in Phantom Menace is the reason he lost to Obi Wan
He'd win the the match but lose to Anakin cause he wouldn't kill him when he gets the chance
@@The_Tavern anakin and obiwan both are better duelist than maul
@@The_Tavern Yoda and Palpatine are the best duelists in Star Wars at this point with Anakin and Mace not too far behind. Maul is more Obi-Wan level and probably even slightly below him by ROTS. Normal Anakin would beat him in a good fight, enraged Anakin would give him the Dooku treatment
@@Jim-fn4pe No dude. According to Sidious Maul was only second to himself in lightsaber combat. Obi wan doesn't hold a candle to Maul.
@@STEELGMBL Yoda, Anakin, Mace, and probably Dooku are all better than Maul. Obi-Wan held his own against Maul and Savage at the same time and even managed to cut off Savage's arm. Obi-Wan is at least equal to Maul. He is THE master of Soresu after all
Ashoka had lots of opportunities to strike maul when he spun to gain momentum, and maul had a few as well as at the end. It seems neither wanted to kill the other and it showed throughout the dual.
As far as I’m concerned Ashoka was ready for knighthood long before she left the order
4:54 i only just noticed now with it slowed down that Ahsoka's light sabres are connecting with the floor and actually indenting it slightly as shes backflipping there. such a tiny detail but i love it XD
going off topic but holy shit this duel was so beautifully-animated. it's right up there with the highest-quality video game cutscenes. no more jerky 1-2-1-2 synchronized movements
I really want to know why Ahsoka decided to change how she held her lightsabers. She almost always held her lightsabers in a reverse grip, and if she did hold it in the traditional way it was never for very long. For almost this entire fight she held them in the traditional manner, something I can’t ever remember her doing.
Confusing "entitled" with "inclined", but please continue...
They fought, and then Maul split
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@@eliminator1472 what r ye gonna do about it
Maul never ended her, he kept just taking advantage then backing off. He could've cut the platform off and let her fall. Also, you just focus on Juyo as if the form itself doesn't REQUIRE you to combine 2 forms of lightsaber combat into 1. Namely for Maul Ataru and Niman, he knows Ataru he fought Quigonn an Ataru user...wtf are you talking about maul isnt' used to this? Every Jedi we seen him come in combat with except Obi-wan was an aggressor.
Ahsoka had an even more aggressive form of ataru because of her second blade and her djem so counters so yes it would be something that maul would not have ever faced before. Also Ahsoka could have easily survived the fall through force augmentation if he cut the beam.
This is absolutely fascinating
This was the greatest duel in the whole of Clone Wars! Ashoka Tano is one of fave Star Wars characters
Uhhh it was good but not one of the best. Obi Wan and Adi Gallia vs Savage Opress and Maul was much better. Barris vs Anakin even too
I think Ahsoka is far more powerful than most of us realize. She never got to the rank of knight, but I believe she was about to do so. And she's likely the living form of the Daughter from Mortis.
And Maul is highly distracted by his vision, so not likely at his best during the duel.
Exactly. Trained by both Anakin and Obi-Wan and spent most of her apprenticeships on the front lines commanding troops. Fact is when they fight she hasn't reached her peak yet and Maul is way past his prime. When they meet again in Rebels he pretty much acknowledges she stronger than him.
Maul's duelling problems lie with him getting too cocky or letting personal emotion lead him into pivotal mistakes
No, it's simply plot armor. He can't win because the lore already wrote him as a loser. He's more skilled, but the plot would be ruined had he won.
@@GFlight.916 Maul's greatest weakness: Plot armored characters
@@GFlight.916 True as well
@thestupendouswave I really love and appreciate your videos. You do an excellent job. If I may, I would like to politely point out two things in the video that you said which are incorrect usage of the "terms".
One is that you said you were "entitled to agree", when the actual saying is "inclined to agree."
The other is something you said twice, which was "in an effect" instead of "in effect."
I only bring these two up as you do such a great job and I know you take these videos seriously and you want them to be the very best they can be.
Thanks for the great videos!
You get me man, you are a great asset to a galaxy far far away and I'm grateful.
You remember that Qui-Gon used Ataru against Maul? In this case surroundings were against him and his age too. So Ahsoka would be at severe disadvantage at location 2 - not enough viable vectors.
Yeah the duel of fates was a trap maul set up
Well she's also proficient in Djem So thanks to her master, which is a pretty good counter to Maul's Juyo
1.) "Ahsoka has been training throughout the entire war. She's earned this."
- Fighting droids for 3 years isn't the same as dueling. Maul was specifically designed to duel Jedi Masters and trained in that specialization for 15 years. If you trained 5 times more than someone else then you should be massively superior. Also, Ahsoka hasn't trained or touched a lightsaber in months (but somehow came out of that even stronger and faster than before), while Maul has been constantly fighting the highest-tiered enemies during SOD.
2.) "Ahsoka was trained by Anakin, the strongest Jedi duelist".
- Yep and Maul was trained by Sidious, who is far more experienced in the force and would wipe the floor with Anakin during ROTS.
- Also do I even need to explain how Yoda is a stronger duelist than Anakin? The evidence should be obvious.
3.) Maul has shown better dueling feats
- In TCW Maul defeats Savage Oppress and Obi Wan on multiple occasions.
- In TCW Maul keeps up with Sidious in a very fast, intense duel. He even lands a kick on him which is impossible for all but the very highest tier characters.
- In TCW Ahsoka runs from Grievous, loses to Ventress, and loses to Bariss.
- In SOD Maul fights Windu and Aayla Secura at the same time and says "Now this is a fair fight." He holds his ground and the battle is a stand-still. He also fights Dooku to a stand-still and defeats Grievous.
4.) "Maul lost because of his arrogance"
- This "trait" of Maul's is unrealistic and has been a long-standing writers tool (a.k.a. emergency option) to remove him from fights. In every fight he's lost, Maul pushed the much weaker hero into an impossible situation, but then for the hero's benefit, he will suddenly turn dumb for a few seconds and allow the hero to pull an outrageous maneuver that even a youngling could counter. He is the only character that gets this repetitive treatment, and to me that is cheap and makes all his fights predictable. If you make a grave mistake in life will you do it again? And again? And again? Obviously not. Because we all have a basic learning ability. But Maul is robbed of that competence and is never allowed to do anything like a Sith Lord. That is why we expected Ahsoka to win no matter what, because Maul's writing will cripple him.
5.) Ahsoka has the Strongest Plot Armor
- The best evidence to see how strong Ahsoka's plot armor is is to watch Rebels. She actually lands hits on Vader of all people (f**king what?) and Filoni introduced time travel to save her. Freaking TIME TRAVEL. He literally tore the very fabric of time and space in Star Wars to prevent her from losing. If that's not the ultimate plot armor then I don't know what is.
She manhandled the inquisitor though. It was pretty evident that she was a far superior duelist to Ezra and Caanan, she was the closest thing they had to a Jedi master..I'm not sure that was plot armor in that instance
@@willnotez6976 Manhandling an Inquisitor and being stronger than Kanan and Ezra aren't very impressive feats.
First off with the Inquisitors
- Sidious specifically says in the canon Darth Vader comics that they were limiting the training of the Inquisitors to keep them less powerful, and that definitely showed when Kanan killed the Grand Inquisitor (the strongest one) while only being at the relative level of an initiated Knight.
As for Kanan and Ezra
- Kanan is a washed up Jedi who doesn't have nearly enough experience or classical training to be anywhere near a master's level, and Ezra is his Padawan and even weaker. Is Ezra strong in the force? Yes. But it never fully blooms into anything beyond Knight level.
The fact is, beating those characters is easy and nowhere near the same league as standing up to Vader. They are tiny mole hills compared to a giant mountain.
Ahsoka has had no access to Jedi Master training and has only fought Inquisitors since Order 66 while Vader is the Chosen One, has been trained by Sidious, and has been slaughtering Jedi Masters in the comics for years. To make her at his level makes no sense and shows just how blatant the favoritism for her really is. Add the time travel element I mentioned and she has plot armor to the highest degree.
@@jasonsinn9237 but it showing how much more powerful she was compared to Ezra and Kanan. Before leaving the order, she was probably already at Knight Level, one could make the argument that her ordeal could be seen as her Trial. You don't think she continued to train, become stronger with in The Force?? And Ezra and Kanan already looked at her as a master-sque character. Its not farfetched for her to be able to Hold her own with Vader, seeing that she was Anakin's apprentice.
Will Notez It definitely is far fetched. Because anakin changed his whole duelling style when he became vader so ashoka doesn’t even know the ins and outs of him anymore she was duelling someone she has never faced before
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Again, saying Ahsoka's stronger than Ezra and Kanan isn't a good way to compare her against Vader. That's like saying since she can defeat a lvl 10 character then she can beat a lvl 100.
She was Anakin's apprentice for 3 years (where she fought mostly droids and barely got into any duels) and when she fought him as Vader it was 14 years later. TreeWop is right Vader had a massively different fight style by then and he had mastered every form of lightsaber combat (confirmed in the comics). Again, Ahsoka fought 1 or 2 Inquisitors during those 14 years while Vader had killed dozens of Jedi Masters and was being trained by Sidious. By actual feats and facts, Vader should be leagues above Ahsoka.
I think you're underestimating just how powerful Vader is supposed to be. He's the chosen one, one of the strongest Sith in history and just barely below Sidious. By the time of Rebels he's supposed to be a walking army that can only be defeated by Sidious and possibly Yoda. Sure Ahsoka could have trained to become a master, but simply being a master is not a threat to Vader. You'd have to be far beyond that in the highest tier possible.
Ahsoka's rank padawan is formal. Real skill is knight. Jedi Council had agree with this at final of season 5.
And of course she won. Battle does not endure the subjunctive mood. What may be happen or not doesn't play a role. Maul was captured.
Now that's the best lightsaber dueling just ever
Thanks for the breakdown by the way, you showed that Ahsoka didn't win through plot armor like I was thinking she did.
You all seem to forget how Anakin's mindochlorian count went down after losing limbs, Maul's probably went down too
Jon Bragg good point
True, however he's still really powerful even with the cut off legs. His feats in TCW and SOD completely outclass Ahsoka by a huge margin.
His feats in the last 2 episodes were pretty good. Casually flicking blaster bolts away with the force and easily breezing through the clones using just the force.
@@bjrnhalfhand2258 Yes but somehow pirates were able to damage his robotic legs, it doesn't make sense how pirates can shoot better than clones especially with lower grade blasters
@@jonbragg5175 honestly I wasn't trying to use it as an argument or anything I just thought those feats were pretty impressive.
I agree that the pirates shouldn't have been able to do that if the clones can't. Or to put another way, the clones should have been able to if the pirates could.
I guess you could argue that Maul has grown more powerful since then.
People always argue that both Obi Wan and Ahsoka have grown so much more powerful than their early days.
What do you make of Maul deflecting those blaster bolts in the previous episode?
She’s now a Knight and she’s battled tested
See, keeping in mind their respective objectives - Ahsoka wanted to capture Maul, Maul wanted to escape and take Ahsoka with him - there's really no question about who won the fight. Ahsoka did.
Because this is a fight - it doesn't matter how you win, or what either side considers as "winning," it only matters that you win. Ahsoka achieved her objective of capturing Maul even if that only happened because the battle against the Mandalorians ended in time for the clones to show up. Maul lost even though he disarmed Ahsoka and held her life in his hands, because he wanted an apprentice and failed.
The what-ifs don't matter. The results do. Ahsoka won the fight.
Maul didn’t want to win he didn’t even try, he disarmed her twice and didn’t even go for the kill both times. Also he couldn’t kill Ashoka because he wanted her to join him
Thank you! Someone who gets it! The coulda, shoulda, woulda’s are nice and all, but the ultimate, concrete *result* is what matters. A win is still a win. It doesn’t matter that Sideous “could have” finished off Vader with force lightning, but wanted to fry his son in front of him instead. Only ONE of them got thrown down a shaft!
Ahsoka won the battle but Maul easily won the duel
Maul clapped her but he just wanted her to join him, he easily could have killed her and IMO he is the better duelist.
The motion capture made this duel look so smooth!
You thought we wouldn’t notice the amazing transition at 2:19 , but we did
I think maul should have won because he's much more experienced and was trained by sidious to be a jedi killer
TBH I think that Maul did win, considering that he disarmed Asokha at the end of the fight. If he wanted her dead, he could have killed her, but that wasn't really his goal.
@@micheldagenais9650 I hope that was the idea cuz if not it wouldn't make sense cuz she's like 16 and maul is 36
In canon Maul has simaltaneously held his own against Aayla Secura and Mace Windu. in son of Dathomir issue 3
fan of Star Wars , exactly, Mace being the one to beat palpatine( that being debatable on if palpatine let him or not.) Ahsoka was about ventress level maybe a bit higher and had less experience, maul also held his own against sidious for a while, who was the third greatest duelist maybe second.
Bro Ahsoka is trained by the strongest Jedi/Sith ever so its normal that she is on the same level as Maul
*reads the question in the thumbnail*
Is that really a question that needs to be answered?
Maul appears to have been holding back, as indicated by his desire to bring Ahsoka to his side, and could be inferred to hold a decisive advantage in skill and power, enough to comfortably defeat Tano had he been going all out.
Ahsoka isn't solely an Ataru user, and has proficiency with Form V, Shien/Djem So, having been trained by Anakin (who mastered the form) and frequently employing a reserve grip emblematic of Shien. Her style isn't solely Ataru, and would most likely have Form V influences (primarily around counterattacking and bolstering her defensive efforts) as a supplement. She still uses Ataru as a primary form as indicated by her integration of hand-to-hand combat, acrobatic fighting style etc. She also employs Jar'Kai (most likely the Ataru variant of it).
Maul's use of Juyo, while providing considerable offensive output in an unpredictable manner, would leave him open to counters and create a weak defense.
Yeah, maul won no question. If he truely released his anger at ahsoka like he did at the end of the episode when his death wasn’t granted he would’ve finished her.
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Yeah he won alright. He’s been captured and was disarmed. Real win. Idiot.
@@TheAwesome45 We're talking about the duel in which Maul clearly won. Not to mention he also disarmed her multiple times
Jon Hammond she also beat him without lightsabers
@@twalls792 She tricked him
man this one was great you broke it down perfectly
The extreme flow of the duel was the best ive seen outside the cinema
It’s scary Palpatine toyed with Maul and his brother.
She’s a Jedi Knight!!
She's not a jedi knight she didnt go through the jedi trials to become a jedi knight
So what? That doesn't show anything
SithAssassin25 just saying he was inaccurate
Windu himself admitted that her journey as a fugitive was her trial
Ben Foyle More like an excuse thats why she left bc that wasn’t honorably in her opinion towards knight hood. Good observation tho.
Maul was very disappointed neither Obi or Anakin showed up. He was depressed the whole fight and didn’t really care. If he was angry he would have destroyed Ashoka. He also didn’t want to kill her. Side note: with this new animation, I would love to see a crazy duel between someone. Maybe maul could fight Anakin??? Idk
Excellent job!! One if best light saber analysis I've seen. Thank you!
Agreed 100% . One of the best fights in history!!! I had goosebumps all over. After obi and Ani, and yoda and palpetine the best fight.
Ahsoka was the smarter fighter in the end.
Smarter isn't a word 😐
Abran murga yeah it is lol
@Dylan Emery Maul could've killed her after their last word exchange, no? He tried cutting her down when there were much better options for a finish. He was also trying to escape so not the smartest fighter of the two.
“Ahsoka has been trained by Obi-Wan Kenobi himself”
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She was Trained by Him and Anakin. In this case, he is talking about the defensive style of Obi wan that he taught Her. Anakin Taught her everything else
Abdelrahman Amr Yoda also taught her quick movements. It showed that in the “Forces of Destiny “ shorts
Wow dude fix your comment.... it makes you look bad.
Didn't Maul disarm her like 3 times? If he wanted her dead she would be.
The episode was so beautiful, the animation, shading, choreography. I was just staring at the TV in pure Ah!
I was amazed by the movement during this fight. Truly reminds me of prequel saber duels and I loved it.