The Symbolism of Eda's Curse in The Owl House

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  • The Owl House is a great show that covers complex subjects and helps to represent under represented groups of people. Today, I wanted to talk a little bit about how Eda The Owl Lady's curse is an allegory for mental illness. If you think that sounds a little like it's out of left field, please watch until the end of the video to see if I can change your mind! What did you get out of the episode "Keeping Up A-Fear-Ances"? #TheOwlHouse #TOH
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    0:00 - Introduction
    1:55 - Quick Recap
    3:47 - Receiving The Curse
    8:01 - Agitating The Curse
    10:51 - Curse VS Mental Illness
    16:52 - Conclusion
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  • @TheRoomforImprovement
    @TheRoomforImprovement 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4648

    When eda said “I have a right to be upset!”
    I felt that.

    • @lazer_kat_4673
      @lazer_kat_4673 2 ปีที่แล้ว +157

      That's me whenever I get really upset and someone just says "stop crying". Like, bish how tf am I supposed to do that?

    • @littlemurdermachine6646
      @littlemurdermachine6646 2 ปีที่แล้ว +88

      @@lazer_kat_4673 I hate it when people tell me not to show my emotions. Well I'm so sorry my emotions makes you uncomfortable and annoyed 😒

    • @swordpegasus4032
      @swordpegasus4032 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Sameeee eda is my favourite character.😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀🤗😀😀🤗😀🤗😀

    • @h0pechild186
      @h0pechild186 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Yeah my sister has a right to be upset too

    • @bakedpotato5037
      @bakedpotato5037 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah lots of us can relate to this sadly

  • @TheEquus92
    @TheEquus92 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4968

    I hope they don't end up curing her curse at the end of the show because I think it would send the wrong message with a curse being allegorical of physical/mental illness and disabilities being cured and everyone's happier, no more problems. With many illnesses and disabilities, that can't happen. I like the direction they're going with the curse being something that can be managed and livable with having the right treatments/accommodations. Eda is not miserable when her curse is managed, she's her happy smart and sarcastic self.

    • @ToonRuinsOfficial
      @ToonRuinsOfficial  2 ปีที่แล้ว +718

      My thoughts exactly. Supposedly Dana has said that it could be seen as allegorical, so I'm pretty confident that she won't go in the direction of curing the curse. I'll be disappointed if they do, considering they've treated it pretty respectful and have been hard on the "can not be cured but is nothing to be ashamed of, and you can be happy with management" path so far.

    • @rainpooper7088
      @rainpooper7088 2 ปีที่แล้ว +232

      Dana did say that Eda‘s hair would not change back to her natural orange color if the curse was ever lifted, so she is definitely never going to revert to her pre-cursed state in the physical sense.

    • @Dakarai_Knight
      @Dakarai_Knight 2 ปีที่แล้ว +154

      I do however think she will be able to do magic again once she's reached a point of dealing with a lot of her problems well. When her curse is more dormant. That can be allegorical to being able to still reach your full potential even if you are dealing with certain disabilities. Like it doesn't stop you it just may make that road bumpier but it won't stop you.

    • @edsweet2858
      @edsweet2858 2 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      The way I hope they go is that they find a good treatment that’s better then the elixir for it but not a cure so something that either stops them from losing themself or just stops them from turning into the owl beast but it could have some side effects or something

    • @shivangparikh2933
      @shivangparikh2933 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@edsweet2858 I believe that Lilith is going to find the cure to the curse. Don't you think so that would be an interesting way to conclude her character arc?

  • @cornfusedsnow5687
    @cornfusedsnow5687 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3003

    When i heard the line "Noone likes having a curse, but if you take the right steps...its manageable.," i IMMEDIATELY associated it with my depression. Im so glad someone else is seeing this association, and props to the phenomenal writers for doing this so well!

    • @sabreman8546
      @sabreman8546 2 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      Bruh same. I heard that line and went "Oh so THAT'S what it's an allegory for."

    • @KrystalTwilight
      @KrystalTwilight 2 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      I associated it to my tumor. I cant get rid of it, but I can manage. It hit hard xp

    • @wowsports8800
      @wowsports8800 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      SAME! I literally said "oh it's like me with my antidepressants!"

    • @lillysparrow
      @lillysparrow 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@wowsports8800 I feel so out of whack recently
      My family members and I were going to move, but situations with Corona and stuff have made it increasingly more difficult everyday
      And therapy is not an option anymore because my mom still is saying we're going to move! It's been a month or so already, and to me it clearly is just a pipe dream. I'm so sick of her dominating my life just because of her personal experience with depression!

    • @konysa3641
      @konysa3641 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      I totally loved that line too, except I thought of it as an STD. I thought it was absolutely perfect, especially as it was implied Eda was cursed when she was younger. Yes some STD's can be cured, but many are lifelong, and it was so nice to see it being de-stigmatized, as it's not like anyone was going out trying to get one, and its often something that just 'wakes up' one day completely outside of your control, but yet you could be vilified for having at. Given how LGBT positive this show is, even early on, and how so many older LGBT individuals suffered through the AIDS epidemic, I really thought they were making a reference to that. Honestly this is such a great show!

  • @NovelistVampireGirl
    @NovelistVampireGirl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4661

    It could be literally any chronic illness. I have Congenital Heart Disease and I see so much of my experience with it and treatment by other people.

    • @ToonRuinsOfficial
      @ToonRuinsOfficial  2 ปีที่แล้ว +754

      Hard agree. Not just illness's either, but disability as well. I saw a lot of folks with autism saying that they also related to the story, especially when in relation to Gwendolyn's behavior (like I briefly touched upon towards the end of the video).

    • @NovelistVampireGirl
      @NovelistVampireGirl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +195

      @@ToonRuinsOfficial funny you mention that because I’m also on the spectrum, for some reason there’s a lot of overlap when many people with CHD also being on the spectrum, as many as 40% according to a study from 2013. This correlation isn’t well understood by science as far as I’m aware, but it does exist and I’m part of that 40%. I fully accept both and try to participate as much as I can in both communities online. My family either denies it outright or uses these things as an excuse to ignore my feelings, try to restrict me, and treat me like a teenager when I’m in my late 20s!

    • @ToonRuinsOfficial
      @ToonRuinsOfficial  2 ปีที่แล้ว +196

      @@NovelistVampireGirl I feel this in my bones, since I'm also a fellow adult with ASD and in a similar situation. It's gotten better as I get older, but I'm literally a 24 year old adult with a full time job and side gig (TH-cam) and I still get treated like I'm a baby. It's honestly rather annoying, and one of the reasons I usually don't tell anyone IRL that I have autism. They start treating you differently the moment that you do, or they say "you don't look autistic". Like what does that even mean??

    • @NovelistVampireGirl
      @NovelistVampireGirl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +82

      @@ToonRuinsOfficial it means we’re verbal and “high functioning” enough that we have the capacity to fool the uninformed.

    • @NovelistVampireGirl
      @NovelistVampireGirl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +82

      @@ToonRuinsOfficial I swear, it’s just ridiculous! My fam even likes to make sounds or have smells around that they know trigger me. If I had a dollar for every time a family member scraped their fork against their plate or shoved a cinnamon candle in my direction, or patronized me in public in some way, I could retire right now. Similarly with CHD, just because I’ve had multiple operations to “fix it” doesn’t mean it’s “fixed”, just that it’s no longer a threat to my life. I still have additional medical concerns and physical weaknesses and limitations that someone without it wouldn’t have. But you’d think at 27 years old, by now I’d be trusted to understand what those are and know what I can’t and can’t handle. Sadly that’s not the case…

  • @connorplays6263
    @connorplays6263 2 ปีที่แล้ว +709

    "Why were you so easy to curse"
    BECAUSE SHE WAS ASLEEP!!!

    • @justanormalpokemon4014
      @justanormalpokemon4014 2 ปีที่แล้ว +85

      She was in the middle of her REM cycle, she ant gonna wake up for a while

  • @misspoopsy6336
    @misspoopsy6336 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2659

    I think Dana Terrace confirmed somewhere that Eda's curse is similar, could be symbolized for, disability or illness. Unfortunately I don't know where the quote is, it may have been from the AMA.

    • @giasca
      @giasca 2 ปีที่แล้ว +136

      @@derive8251 Luz is confirmed to be Neurodivergent. People already had the feeling when watching the show and then Dana confirmed it

    • @giasca
      @giasca 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@shivangparikh2933 I think it won't be cured at all

    • @user-oz8eu4eb9q
      @user-oz8eu4eb9q 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@giasca could you tell a little bit more abt it please??

    • @giasca
      @giasca 2 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      @@shivangparikh2933 yeah, but since it's an allegory of a chronic illness I don't think it will be cured. Just because Lilith gave her the curse it doesn't mean she knows how to cure it. Also, if it will be cured it would be kinds disrespectful seeing this allegory

    • @giasca
      @giasca 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@shivangparikh2933 Lilith left The Owl House to reconnect with Gwen and her father. The curse will not get cured

  • @galacta7300
    @galacta7300 2 ปีที่แล้ว +242

    I noticed too how Lilith's owl form was larger, more aggressive and focused on hurting Eda, and because of how she felt so neglected.

    • @dangdao8068
      @dangdao8068 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      And the hair/mane show their personality (if anyone bother to pay attention for that) eda mane look rather smooth than lilith mane while her mane look like aggressive animal

    • @milkywaycafe.
      @milkywaycafe. 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      As another comment mentioned, since Lillith ignored her issue for so long, it grew

  • @christopherrichards2350
    @christopherrichards2350 2 ปีที่แล้ว +852

    I really like the idea of Eda's owl beast curse is a metaphor for a disability. I have autism and I care for both Luz and Eda. The Owl House is really a good show. My goal is to become a filmmaker.

    • @waveykirby
      @waveykirby 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      good luck on your goal, i hope you achieve it!!

    • @tinyghost2442
      @tinyghost2442 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      Same as an autistic artist and animator, I love seeing so many parts of this show and its crew reflect who i am, what I've expreience and what i want to do.

    • @giraffedragon6110
      @giraffedragon6110 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Honestly same, I’ve lived with my autism all my life. In the early 2000’s it was barely getting studied or attention, some doctors claimed that my mom should’ve given up on me. But she never gave up on me, we went to therapy, we learned how to pick up social cues, and most importantly, we made sure to communicate thoroughly with each other.
      I never saw my Autism as a bad thing, I saw it as a part of me, like a limb, a lung, or an eye. There was never anything wrong with it, it merely accentuates my skills.
      My passion fuel the flames of what I throw myself into. I feel I have to make my job something that means more than a paycheck. I like helping others, I love to talk about character motivation and how to go beyond the simple plot stories. To make characters complex because WE are complex.

    • @spiritsofwolves
      @spiritsofwolves 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I have autism too but i have not truly understood it and im still confused about what it is and what I have

    • @AngelHalo376
      @AngelHalo376 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good luck 💙💙💙

  • @justsomesadvintagewasteoft3461
    @justsomesadvintagewasteoft3461 2 ปีที่แล้ว +464

    Honestly this is why I relate to Lilith.
    My brother was diagnosed with autism at a young age, so my parents focused on his disability a lot more than me in general. All the attention was on him and I became self sufficient.
    Little did we know I have ADHD, we’re finally taking notice and I might go on medication.
    But yeah my family had to do a lot and put more effort towards my brother, I love him, I just wish things were equal.

    • @killme7692
      @killme7692 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      @jf k Agreed. My brother has epilepsy. My parents took care of my brother more, but that's because he needed it.

    • @karnohell
      @karnohell 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @jf k that, is true! you might be loved equally but the issue is that the love was never shown enough or just never shown. emotional neglect, whether intentional or not, is always awful, especially when you're a small kid. maybe when you get older, sure, you'll understand it and not hold any grudges, but it still leaves an undeniable mark on anyone.

    • @jewelvex
      @jewelvex ปีที่แล้ว +3

      My sister and i went through similar shit. I was diagnosed with chronic migraines as a teen, and my parents focused the majority of their attention on me. And that hurt both me and my sister, who “had it together” most of the time. I resented the stifling control and worry that my parents put on me, and my sister resented me for taking up so much space (i think. It’s been a minute since we discussed this and she’s mended her relationship to our parents much more than i have at this point). So i totally get it, and though i relate more to eda, the experience sucks for both kids i can promise you that

    • @martinavalente6814
      @martinavalente6814 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Something similar happened to me. My brother was diagnosed with dyslexia, dysgraphia and adhd pretty early on as a kid, because his issues made him struggle academically. But I´m finding out at 20 years old that I have sensory issues (Specially with sound) and might have adhd. Because my struggles never bothered me academically until college, no one ever noticed. I remember constantly crying and being upset by certain music, tv, or just general loud noises, but when I spoke up about it, it was never taken seriously. I´m really grateful there is so much information now a days, I didn´t now sensory issues were a thing until I saw it on instagram, the people around me led me to believe I was just "annoying". It is so frustrating looking back, how I had to struggle alone and be mocked for all those years and he got all the help he needed.

  • @SmolRageMatti
    @SmolRageMatti 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1833

    I think the other thing that makes Lilith's part in sharing the curse is that some people (myself included) bury their mental illnesses in success or activities just something to avoid thinking about it, and just dont acknowledge it until forced to confront it for whatever reason. For me that was college. For lilith, it was what she did to her sister and why. And while the size of her beast does not at all diminish Eda's struggles (and no ones struggles should diminish another persons), its huge because it has not been addressed for a long time thus it grew. At least thats how I saw it. While I understand Eda's curse, I relate a little more to Lilith for many reasons. The writing is so good Y-Y I cant wait for more episodes and any other theories and analysis you come up with with!

    • @ToonRuinsOfficial
      @ToonRuinsOfficial  2 ปีที่แล้ว +180

      I relate to both Eda and Lilith, but mostly Lilith since I'm also the oldest sibling with a prodigy younger sibling who was considered a "problem child" (and therefore 'required' the most attention). A lot of the times the oldest get brushed aside, and it's why I see a lot of myself in her. But I also see myself in Eda, in that family members treated me like Gwendolyn did her. So more heavily on the Lilith side, but I think they're both very well written and very relatable for adult siblings specifically. It's so, so good and I can't wait to talk more about it in the future.

    • @shivangparikh2933
      @shivangparikh2933 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@ToonRuinsOfficial Do you think that Eda's curse will be cured since Lilith is searching for a way to undo the curse?

    • @DaHuntsman1
      @DaHuntsman1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@shivangparikh2933 I personally don't think so, with the allegory for it being a disability or mental illness, i think Dana (the writer of the series) will emphasize that there are some things you just need to learn to manage.

  • @tarniabook3076
    @tarniabook3076 2 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    Both my mother and I have bipolar disorder and, since I watched the episode in which the curse was shown, I related a lot to Eda, and told my mother about it. Now we no longer say "the pills" or "the medication". Now it's the elixir.

    • @tiffanypersaud3518
      @tiffanypersaud3518 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ❤❤ I LOVE THIS ❤❤

    • @mitsukosukino
      @mitsukosukino 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      😊 im gonna call it that way too

  • @alphabatsoup5840
    @alphabatsoup5840 2 ปีที่แล้ว +329

    It feels alot more to me like living with a disability. Such as being neurodivergent. Having meltdowns, being incurable, taking some medications to subside some symptoms, having uglier symptoms and getting in the way of performing everyday tasks. the social stigma and everyone trying to fix you.
    Being neurodivergent can feel like a curse sometimes. Whatever this is , i appreciated her representation.

    • @jennamomenna5750
      @jennamomenna5750 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Well said :)

    • @cabrinius7596
      @cabrinius7596 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      it reminds me of my anxiety and adhd a lot

    • @ellasorrow4stolas445
      @ellasorrow4stolas445 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A lot better than most representation we get tbh.

    • @gloop7458
      @gloop7458 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mental illnesses, when they get in the way of every day tasks, are disabilities. Severe depression that makes it so you cannot get out of bed is a disability. Social Anxiety which makes it so you cannot call the doctor or order from a restaurant is a disability
      So basically, it's both. Her curse is absolutely a disability. It prevented her from doing really important things, but it's also a very clear allegory for mental illness
      I personally like Gus a lot more as representation for autism. (specifically autism because you said "meltdown") Where his autism isn't presented as inherently something to suffer from or something you would never want. It's represented as a neutral state of being that really sucks to have when society is actively working against it but not anything negative to have when you are accepted and accommodated for well, which is autism

    • @milkywaycafe.
      @milkywaycafe. 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think it's meant to be able to be an allegory for mental disorder, physical disorder, or general disability

  • @britneybij3997
    @britneybij3997 2 ปีที่แล้ว +445

    When a cartoon is better at representing this sort of thing than actual programs geared towards adult you know there is some BS going on. Its vital this is shown like in this cartoon because the earlier it is taught the easier it will be to understand when those children eventually become adults. And also if a child can understand, then an adult can as well if they choose to.

  • @sophiarose03
    @sophiarose03 2 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    OMG that’s it, Gwen was being an “autism mom”. That’s a perfect analogy. Yeah, Eda’s curse arc really hit me in the feels. Being disabled, it’s hard not to feel like I would be better and happier if I was cured, and I’ve had to tell myself over and over that I’m worthy of love as I am right now.

  • @lewilbur
    @lewilbur 2 ปีที่แล้ว +387

    I feel like so many cartoons where a character has special "magic", it is usually a metaphor for mental illness. It is a nicer spin on it than how people actually talk about it in the real world. A few shows that come to mind that do this are Elsa from frozen, Aang/ Korra from Avatar the Last Airbender, Kipo and her mom from Kipo and the Age of the Wonderbeasts. It is truly such a beautiful metaphor and I bet it helps so many people come to terms with their own mental illness. I know it helped me!

    • @shiroko6333
      @shiroko6333 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      I think that's because sometimes it is hard to explain how people struggles with their problems having for example mental illness. It's not like you could show it "normally", using magic as a reason why someone is cursed,special etc. helps to understand,how serious are those struggles. Also it may reduce the sense of shame for people with illness cuz films/cartoons shows that's not their fault that they're ill. Films/cartoons could show the same problems that exist in the reality,but at the same time you can look at them from the distance. And that distance is helpful for both healhy and not healthy people - it creates the possibility to understand each other.
      In conclusion illness/struggles are actually hard for both sides. People with illness must to deal with the illness itself but also a guilt,judgement,shame etc. People,who are close to them also can be hurt - with their behavior,also judgement and shame but also powerless. It's amazing that artist trying to understand how it works and show it into a lot of series,no matter is that for kids,teenagers or adults. Cuz all of us need this representations

    • @iamrj006
      @iamrj006 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Same, I also think of She ra

    • @judemartin6329
      @judemartin6329 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Percy Jackson takes it a bit more literally

  • @TheFlamingGamerYT
    @TheFlamingGamerYT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +880

    I definitely enjoy the deep story telling The Owl House is going for, especially since it’ll help the younger audience understand this stuff, and better understand the struggles each character, especially Eda, goes through. I think I’m more interested to seeing stories/series that have great character development, and when characters need to stand up and take on their struggles. I can’t wait for the next episode of this show, because despite being at season 2, this show is absolutely delivering a great episode after the other

    • @buckeyeguru2321
      @buckeyeguru2321 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      It's so impressive that they've made banger after banger for the last like 10 episodes

    • @TheFlamingGamerYT
      @TheFlamingGamerYT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@buckeyeguru2321 It’s truly a great show, and I also really enjoy the animation in it. I’d love to do stuff like that one day

    • @buckeyeguru2321
      @buckeyeguru2321 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@TheFlamingGamerYT yeah the animation is sooo good, especially during fight scenes and important scenes. And you can do anything with enough effort. I believe in you 🔥

    • @TheFlamingGamerYT
      @TheFlamingGamerYT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@buckeyeguru2321 Thanks Buckeye. I’ve come to appreciate and love animation the more I age, and now, I’m just always fascinated when I see great animation, that being smooth and beautifully well done animation. And stunning visuals too

    • @buckeyeguru2321
      @buckeyeguru2321 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@TheFlamingGamerYT I’m the same way. I hate that people won’t watch animated shows because “they’re for kids”. They miss out on so many great stories and characters

  • @luna_luvvs
    @luna_luvvs 2 ปีที่แล้ว +254

    man, this episode hit sooo close to home; residual gwendolyn. my mom used to be anti-medication and would turn to every type of holistic healing instead (yoga, acupuncture/acupressure, aromatherapy, meditation, etc). and while it came from a good place, it ended up making me feel like eda did, ashamed and feeling unloveable due to my mental illness. thankfully now im on meds and in therapy and she's fully supportive, but this episode really was a great allegory for mental illness.
    i think there is also something to say about the specific family dynamic and differences in how eda and lilith are treated; lilith especially seems very much like the 'scapegoat' child in a narcissistic family, putting eda closer to the 'golden child' - even if she's not necessarily viewed as perfect she's given most of the attention, while lilith could do the most impressive thing on earth and still not receive credit for it.
    this isn't to say eda and lilith's family is abusive and narcissistic as such, but it is an interesting parallel to draw based on the different treatment they experienced from they're parents

    • @alexmakesart7566
      @alexmakesart7566 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      same. Except I'm more of Lilith, but also Eda. I have bad mental issues and disorders, but my brother has a way worse one. He's autistic, nonverbal, and completely unable to take care of himself. My mom does nothing except focus on him, and leaves me alone. I've been excluded, disallowed from having things I want, all because of my brother. He runs my household, and he can't even help it. I hate it. I know it's not his fault, but it has caused a rift between me and my family

  • @allistair9024
    @allistair9024 2 ปีที่แล้ว +565

    I love this show, and I love the idea that Eda's curse is an allegory for mental illness. Its something as a person with OCD I understand, as I go to therapy and take medication for it. And I also understand your frustration with the cure aspect, as I also have autism and I don't want to be cured.

    • @kaelang12
      @kaelang12 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      not just mental; it's an allegory for ANY longterm illness, be it physical or mental

    • @shivangparikh2933
      @shivangparikh2933 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kaelang12 Do you think that Eda's curse will get cured since Lilith curing the curse will be a great way to conclude her character arc?

    • @kaelang12
      @kaelang12 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@shivangparikh2933 on the one hand, I think curing the curse would be an end goal. BUT. I would think eda keeping the curse at the end of the series wouldn't be a bad thing, necessarily.
      there are so many stories where people are magically cured of a disease/disability, and for someone like me, who is disabled and will be for the rest of my life, that feels like a copout. eda keeping the curse, but also being able to manage it, is my ideal ending. it shows that for people like us, there's a way to live happily and deal with the problems that the "curse", as it were, brings.

    • @shivangparikh2933
      @shivangparikh2933 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kaelang12 Because curing the curse would restore Eda's powers?

    • @kaelang12
      @kaelang12 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@shivangparikh2933 honestly, I'm fine with that. she still has the glyph magic.
      I don't really have the spoons to go into further detail about it's a good allegory for disability and accommodating living methods

  • @anyaarcadia9166
    @anyaarcadia9166 2 ปีที่แล้ว +114

    I kept reading it as an allegory to chronic illness, with how "alternative medicine" is often explored by relatives in hopes it could "cure" their loved one despite protests. But mental illness lines up well too. My only hesitation with it would be how often times mental illness is more ignored or told to patients "that it doesn't exist, it's all in your head, etc", while chronic illness often shows more portrayal of having doctors summoned and more parental acknowledgement (that being said, it portraying mental illness is a nice change of pace, it being outright acknowledged and accepted as a reality or existing rather than berating the person with it)

    • @anyaarcadia9166
      @anyaarcadia9166 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Update on newest episode (Eda's Requiem) and OH YEAH MENTAL ILLNESS IT'S WAY MORE AN ALLEGORY FOR MENTAL ILLNESS HOLY COW

  • @cyrus909
    @cyrus909 2 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    hi, person with borderline personality disorder here. the scene where eda’s dad shines that light and she lashes out and hurts him really hit home. something small can really set me off and i can end up hurting the feelings of ppl i love, and it really feels like its out of my control. honestly eda’s curse episodes always make me cry

    • @huey6179
      @huey6179 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Same I have bpd too it’s hard to control sometimes little things set me off like tone or even just wrong wording and I hurt ppl on accident Eda also reminds me of my bpd I feel like a monster that shouldn’t be loved I’m glad I have eda to relate too along with other characters like catra or bojack

    • @cyrus909
      @cyrus909 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@huey6179 !!!! im so glad someone feels the same way. i think theres kinda a bad attitude towards bpd so having some representation makes me feel better

    • @huey6179
      @huey6179 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@cyrus909 there’s a lot of bad things ppl say about bpd and it sucks a lot it’s either u can’t love ppl or u can’t be loved ur obsessive or ur weak too sensitive or not emotionally it’s stressful to even exist as someone with bpd my relationships are oddly small and lack fulfillment and my one relationship is so connected im terrified of them ever leaving and I care really only about them but that’s my experience but I never feel I can get close to ppl im terrified of them most of the time but when I do get close it’s even worse without them I feel nothing abandonment issues from bpd suck so bad

    • @SarahLaineSmith
      @SarahLaineSmith 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Too real

  • @applesaur3622
    @applesaur3622 2 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    As someone with bpd, Eda being afraid and ashamed of her curse really hit a cord with me when I first saw it. Bpd often feels like a monster that overwhelms and controls you. I really like the idea that it is an allegory.

  • @angelikajoy5673
    @angelikajoy5673 2 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    i like how when eda is trapped inside her mind while her owl form takes over, the image is her being chased by an “inner demon”

  • @sarasteege2265
    @sarasteege2265 2 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    That this is before "Knock Knock Knocking on Hootie's Door" is just amazeballs. The analysis and picking up on clues is spot on as ever!

    • @historiansayori2089
      @historiansayori2089 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah, I was surprised that there’s an extensive enough references to the Owl Beast before KKKoHD. Nice to see how this theme is continuing to be portrayed even beyond the scope of this video!

  • @Tigermaster2002
    @Tigermaster2002 2 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    I'm glad the episode: knock knock knockin' on hooty's door, goes onto explaining eda's curse more and the show makes it a part of her like a super power. I say that because for someone like me who is neuro divergent, I find that what I have can be helpful at times and isn't like a burden, sure some areas it's harder but into others I feel like I have an advantage. I think that's what they're trying to do with Eda's curse and I am glad I can relate what I have to someone in modern media in this way.

    • @jaisharha
      @jaisharha 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I like that though she accepted it and gained from that, it's explicit that she is still using the elixir. She is still managing it through medication to ensure it doesn't get out of control she is just more in touch with some advantages it can give her.

    • @smutnejajo5149
      @smutnejajo5149 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@jaisharha and it's even said that it's the elixir that let her accept it (gain the new power from it). That was nice.

  • @maxyoung5109
    @maxyoung5109 2 ปีที่แล้ว +335

    I love the way that Dana and the entire cast and crew weave the realities of physical disabilities and neurodivergence so beautifully💚 it's unabashed and caring at the end of the day... also, I'm not sure how this feels to those who have physical disabilities, that said, I've thought for a while about using a similar term of self empowerment to neurodivergence... I've tossed around the term 'physical divergence' that said, if anyone who experiences a physical disability has a different take, I fully and truly welcome discussion and progress... 💚💚💚 love to all identities and identity factors💖

    • @maxyoung5109
      @maxyoung5109 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Side note: I have some smaller conditions of physical disabilities...

    • @od3910
      @od3910 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I don't have a physical disability but I am neurodivergent. I've been called everything under the sun by bullies and health workers. What I've learned is that if you find something that works for you that's great. It's good to think about how you talk about yourself.
      I used to think there was a normal and then there was me. But actually there is no normal. There is only different states of being

    • @rainpooper7088
      @rainpooper7088 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Physical divergence could work for people who were born with physical disabilities, but calling someone who lost both of their legs in a car crash physically divergent feels like a mockery of their situation. That seems like more of a place for traditional body positivity than anything else. Then again, you wouldn’t call someone who developed short term memory loss due to a traumatic head injury neurodivergent either as neurodivergency by definition is a result of genetic variation. Maybe „mind positivity“ is another term you should start tossing around.

    • @shivangparikh2933
      @shivangparikh2933 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@od3910 Do you think that Eda's curse will get cured eventually since Lilith is searching for a cure?

    • @shivangparikh2933
      @shivangparikh2933 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rainpooper7088 Do you think that Eda's curse will get cured eventually since Lilith is looking for a cure to the curse?

  • @stardustlatte
    @stardustlatte 2 ปีที่แล้ว +76

    Strongly agree with this idea. It could be literally anything. For example, I have epilepsy and I relate strongly to the examples you gave such as Eda feeling ashamed of it and wanting to deal with it on her own. I also relate to the part where Luz and King were very dead set on curing it while Eda was not. I tend to keep my epilepsy a secret and I don’t want to keep it a burden on people unless it’s important.

    • @cryptidcorecorner
      @cryptidcorecorner 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I feel the same way I have a blood disorder and I already had a eating disorder so even the thought of people stigmatizing me bc of my disorder would have broke me so it's easier to just not tell people

  • @winnerthecoolguy2009
    @winnerthecoolguy2009 2 ปีที่แล้ว +203

    I'm really excited for Hunting For Palasment, who else is excited

  • @ohno8398
    @ohno8398 2 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    So many of us watched this episode and went 'that me'

  • @kaime2629
    @kaime2629 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    "There's a reason why she didn't tell to Luz and king that she was cursed and that was because she was ashamed she was also afraid that the way that both of them would treat her and view her would change" omg I felt that

  • @XExprEss9
    @XExprEss9 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    wow....
    this is honestly better than any comfort audio
    heck
    this might as well be a therapy session

  • @andreanastro6189
    @andreanastro6189 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I just found out how it got "canceled". I am a 23 year old boy, I had no particular reasons to feel represented in this work, but from the first episode I loved and respected it. Each episode brought me closer to the characters, their motivations, their fears and their love. My heart skipped a beat when I learned that the author's original plans cannot be fulfilled, it's a terrible thing in the art world. I know I cannot change things, and I know that there are decisions made at the top that will probably not be able to be changed, but if you are reading this comment, if you too, like me, have this story at heart and want to respect the intellectual will of the author , help me spread a message of love towards the series, just as Owl House has spread its message of love that perhaps has not been fully understood. Thanks Dana Terrace, your sadness at missing the chance to tell your story your way is the sadness of all of us.

  • @bellac6311
    @bellac6311 2 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    i always thought it represented disability. Im autistic and could relate wayy too much to the metaphor behind edas curse

  • @RekoTheProducer
    @RekoTheProducer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    when it first started clicking for me, i associated the curse with trauma. she has outbursts, in the form of the owl beast, as a response to it. she heals and learns that it is something that can be manageable, but it will always be there.

  • @AstraLightKeysha
    @AstraLightKeysha 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    honestly after seeing the episode 8 it hitted me
    and it made me realize yes it is about mental ilness
    mostly mine is PTSD it hitted me so hard that i wanted to cry but i smile to know
    "yes, you part of me. you part of my past memories.none of us wanted it. but it happened.
    and i have to take it slow together with u and myself to go foward"

  • @thecovensagainstthethronea4430
    @thecovensagainstthethronea4430 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    During knock knock knocking on hooties door, it further proves that it is likely a representation of PTSD, because when you lean towards the trauma and accept it, it doesn't dissapear, but you can grow from it and become stronger despite the curse.

  • @wowsports8800
    @wowsports8800 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I think it actually represents trauma. All the other topics could be about other disorders, BUT one thing that catches me is how the owl beast visits her every night in her dreams making her experience the same things over and over again, Wich is a characteristic of PTSD.
    Edit: it can be both btw, specially bc PTSD is considered a mental illness.

  • @elliehathaway3694
    @elliehathaway3694 2 ปีที่แล้ว +114

    I always kinda expected that the curse might end up being an allegory for mental disabilities
    (I’m autistic so I found a lot of the parallels relatable)
    But that episode, with everyone trying to cure it instead of except that it is a part of her
    That hit home

  • @Nocturnalday
    @Nocturnalday 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I've seen people read the curse more as a chronic illness, at least in the tumblr side of the fandom. I think it makes a bit more sense to me than mental illness. What I found interesting was that her gem is meant to show when the owl beast is coming through, so you can equate it to some sort of monitoring device. I'm not chronically ill but having an object attached to her that will physically inform her that she needs to take her medication is pretty noteworthy. I don't know much about chronic illnesses and what they might need so the only thing that comes to mind with the gem as a device is an insulin pump

  • @wildcard5616
    @wildcard5616 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    As someone who is neurodivergent and has a personality disorder due to lots of truma
    I cant stop seeing parallels between eda and the owl lady
    And me
    I keep feeling so much of a connection

  • @od3910
    @od3910 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I think Eda's curse could work with both physical and mental disabilities /conditions. There are a lot of overlaps between the two and one can lead to the other. Either way this episode was heart wrenching and warming at the same time

  • @gracekim25
    @gracekim25 2 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    I must admit this makes me rethink how to handle Eda’s arc in my story 🤔 it makes you wonder if Emperor Belos created that curse considering it was from the night market

    • @stephensmith1246
      @stephensmith1246 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      wasn't the curse made of wild magic? belos is against wild magic :/ i still think it's a possible theory since you must have been quite a strong witch/wizard to have made a curse that weakens someone AND turns them into a beast for a period of time.

    • @shivangparikh2933
      @shivangparikh2933 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@stephensmith1246 Do you think that Eda's curse will get cured since Lilith is searching for a cure?

    • @stephensmith1246
      @stephensmith1246 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@shivangparikh2933 i do as i think the owl monster that chases eda is her inner demon. to overcome her curse she has to face her inner demon head on.

    • @ALu-nq8rf
      @ALu-nq8rf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@stephensmith1246 just because he's supposedly against wild magic for use by the public doesn't mean he won't use it for his own ends.

  • @urphakeandgey6308
    @urphakeandgey6308 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There was so much about Eda's character I related to and the curse was one of them.
    I grew up with ADHD, but my parents never cared. It wasn't until I was already in adulthood that my mom, after reading a book about it, suddenly took it seriously. Too seriously, if anything. She'd recommend any crazy "cure" or "treatment," meanwhile I already had ways to manage it because I already knew I had it. I was 10 steps ahead of her.
    Seeing Eda's character go through more or less the exact same thing hit too close to home. Even her sibling dynamic was uncannily accurate to my experience, with me being the rowdy troublemaker and my sibling being the golden student and child... But my sister probably still felt like she was in my shadow due to my parents always acknowledging my "potential," on top of me being older and more social, so she was always known in school as "so-and-so's sister" rather than herself. She may have been the objectively better child, but I wouldn't be surprised if she felt like she was always living in my shadow and wanted to "curse" me to live a life outside of it. I mean, in a way, she deserves it, right?
    Big rant, but the parallels I have with Eda don't even stop there. I love Eda's character.

  • @kahvia12345
    @kahvia12345 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love how Eda finally gave water for her cursed owl and petted it. More you try to runaway for your bad experiences or problems, more they will haunt you.
    Sometimes first step is for being gentle- for yourself❤️

  • @dragonfruit5293
    @dragonfruit5293 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    For me, it was really the first time I felt representation of a disorder that I could relate to. I have Tourettes and her first monologue about her curse really hit me. I take medication to help and it doesn't take away my tics, it just makes them better to manage. I know that it's not the same thing but it's just what I feel about Eda's curse and her elixirs. My mom is always trying to find a way to cure me and help so I can go back to when I didn't tic. I am fine with my tics because I can't do anything about it. I have Tourettes and I'm fine with always having it

  • @FruityCarnation
    @FruityCarnation 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    MMMM YES SYMBOLISM MY FAVV

    • @FruityCarnation
      @FruityCarnation 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Agustus Porter It’s no big deal!! I’m just eating some pickles right now!
      (Ahaha pickle jar Marcy go brrrr)

  • @cecerats
    @cecerats 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    i saw it more as an allegory for physical chronic illnesses, but now i see it could be mental illness as well. i have chronic migraines and headaches myself and i relate a lot with eda's character

  • @sarhahillsburg5142
    @sarhahillsburg5142 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Yeah...being infantized by family etc really sucks. Even worse when only wanna look at trying cure you rather than just helping you manage.
    When i was diagnosed with epilepsy an Lupus everyone instantly started walking on egg-shells an pittied me. Even though nothing changed...i was still me.....yet suddenly i was ticking time bomb. Mother literally took me to witch doctors an suddenly no one wants to go out with me etc.
    Glad have my fiance an bestfriend. They only ones who never treated me different.
    Everyone else i had to say over and over again that i am still same as before. I just simply now have a name to whats wrong and tools to manage it. Will i ever be cured? No. But doesn't mean life is over.
    .....took me having several cluster seizures leaving me unable hold conversation an speak properly an heck no to walking after mother refused to let me get my perscribed meds that she finally saw i do in fact need my meds not just to pray an try weird diets.

  • @BlackReshiram
    @BlackReshiram 2 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    "Edalyn Clawthorne is the most powerful witch on the boiling isles" au contraire mam, you forgot she is also the love of my life.

    • @RB01.10
      @RB01.10 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      She is pretty attractive even in her 40’s I believe.

  • @Dimonds456
    @Dimonds456 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    For me, I have both mental illness and _chronic_ illness. I can see both with Eda, but especially the chronic part. Eda's body is out of her control, spiraling into a monster that she cannot manage by herself and NEEDS other people to help with. I feel that strongly with my sickness. I have "Graves Disease" (fun name, I know), and with it I will never be able to do a lot of the things my peers can. I struggle with writing (shakiness), breathing, and even just walking sometimes. It's like I'm not in control, and at any moment, I could fall to my knees. I find myself in Eda a lot like that. Her situation is so similar that it hurt. I cried when Gwendalyn finally listened and gave her elixirs back. That fear of mot having medicine for when your body fails is terrifying.

  • @user-id9bn1ic9v
    @user-id9bn1ic9v 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I definitely thought that it was like autism because of her mother being the way she is (a sort of stand in for antivax mom). Also, when Lilith took on the curse, she wasn’t able to handle it as well as Eda. It reminds me of myself, before and after speech therapy and the help of aids. Before I had the help from school, I was out unable to communicate my emotions and complaints, even to myself. I ran out of the school a couple times. Afterwards, I could take care of myself and I even made some friends. Today, I still have trouble communicating and taking care of myself, but I’ve made tremendous work.

  • @top-notch8277
    @top-notch8277 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Ngl having t1d made me relate to eda's curse and the way she has to manage it all of her life, especially when her mother wants to try to heal her when there is no cure but just ways to manage it

  • @thewoollyviking5928
    @thewoollyviking5928 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I always assumed it was symbolic of a more physical trauma or illness but this honestly really made me appreciate a show I already loved that much more. Fantastic video!

  • @mysryuza
    @mysryuza 2 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    You know the vid is gonna be good when it’s by Toon Ruins. Honestly the second half hit close to home for me.
    Actually I’m interested in a video about Amity’s background

  • @basilsaurus1311
    @basilsaurus1311 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    A recurring theme that I’ve noticed reverberating throughout this show is:
    *”If something seems too good to be true, it probably is.”*
    Or, to put it another way:
    *”Anyone who claims to have all the answers is lying to you.”*

  • @MsTenseiga
    @MsTenseiga ปีที่แล้ว +2

    this hit me at my core. I developed depression and anxiety with a visible psychosomatic consequence that happens every day and causes me severe discomfort. It scared the hell out of me bc I didn’t know what it was and why it was happening and if it was a disease that was potentially dangerous. And because it’s clearly visibly, I felt really self conscious of this blemish that looks like a damn disease.
    Now I know what it is and I’m learning to live with it. My mother was intent on finding a way to cure it too… but since doctors don’t know why it happens, I’ve now accepted it instead of fighting it. Because that fighting created a downwards spiral that would stress me out and, causing the symptoms to come back stronger. Which would make me more depressed and anxious… and so on. You get the idea.
    But just not fighting it and living my life despite the symptoms made everything better. I now know what it is and that it’s not dangerous, and also that I’m not just crazy.
    The symptoms still happen every day regardless of how stressed I might be, but I stopped focusing on how much I hate it. Now it’s actually gotten better. I’m not cured. I might carry this with me for the rest of my life. But so what? I can enjoy my life despite it.

  • @jfduug4994
    @jfduug4994 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    this episode is easily one of my all time favorites from cartoon history, the portrayal of chronic illness or mental illness hit so close to home and it was handled so amazingly well and positively. I just love it, and I want to thank everyone who worked on the episode for it

  • @violingineer7862
    @violingineer7862 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It really hit me hard when Gwendolyn "didn't like what the medication was doing to Eda" and took it away. Both of my parents were against me starting medication, and though it's never happened to me I still felt that bone deep fear and helplessness of someone taking away your medication to "help" you.

  • @lyrexioscreatorguardian
    @lyrexioscreatorguardian 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    bruh the conclusion start killed me. tbh this whole episode did. I wish I could show this my mom and dad and hope they will learn from it sadly they won't since they don't listen to me or things I show or tell them. I have analyzed everything even on their side but they refuse to see mine. I'm stuck with self hate from both home and old past schools, I'm stuck with feeling like a disappointment day in and day out thanks t home, It got so bad I stopped eating less and less. I lived in starvation thanks to home. The constant fights my parent had and seeked cuz they didn't worked on their selves and refused to let us speak. I am child number 3 of the 6. My older brother is disabled and tbh I do feel like I am the least loved child. the one to always drag problem with him. I am stuck in a body with the wrong gender and I'm trying to fix it but I get no support from my family, Dad ignores it's there and mom tries to reverse it. She doesn't want to see the point in it. and she knows now for at least 2 years. I have been confirmed by therapists and psychologist to have PTSD and when I told my mom she was genuinely wondering why. I know who I am but both past schools and home have tried to bend it their ways. I refuse to bend and even though I should see that as a victory I can't help but take the hits and feel like such a piece of shit. I literally go about my day sleeping and living at night cuz then no one sees me and then no one will says something. the world is lovely quiet at night.
    To know the fix to your problems and to go all out for that... I moved out. I'm 20. I'm doing the transgender thing. I finished 2 therapy session already. I had to be picked up from the ground. I lost the taste of food but since I moved out it's getting consumable again and tbh glad I could get 2kg back. the only problem I'm still facing is the night spend and the family issue. How do you fix a family that big and that different and that broken. How do I them to listen to me knowing they won't. How do you bend something just and unbendable as you? How can I show my mom that yes. she raised us better than her parent raised her. But she still failed to raise us good. she still failed to listen and accept change. She failed to accept her mistakes cuz she compares it to the life she had. Yes my parent had a suck ass life. true. fair .valid. but that doesn't justify the current actions they are pulling now. No child should go to home having the feeling it's not safe anymore. No child should be yelled at in a corner for suffocating from starvation after they while crying told their parent to stop yelling and to just finish them off already. This memory is imprinted in my mind man and they refuse to see the trauma of it. No one backed me up. I'm now at home on my own still recovering from something that happened in march. Thinking about it puts me back to that moment and here my mom genuinely asked me last week how I got PTSD??? WHAT!!??
    how...HOW CAN SOME PARENT BE THIS FOCKING BLIND AND SELF CENTRED!!?? how!? Not accepting you daughter is yur son I can kinda understand and get from they POV... but not understanding yur effects on none processed trauma effect yur kids is ridiculous!!! she calls her self a broken cookie sometimes meanwhile not seeing she and dad mentally and sometimes physically smash the 6 cookies they baked!? How? I don't get it. and I'm a problem solver! I wanna solve it but knowing they won't be open for it just leaves me with a puzzle where some pieces are glued on to the table!? HOW....and when...can this shit be fixed and will parent see that their kids even with none alcohol or drugs or smoking parent can still suffer from heavy pressure, expectations, abuse, lack in freedom etc... I had item thrown at me and dad cuz dad lashed out on me for not being able to google something and using a louder voice tone to tell mom that cuz she was arguing with my sister...TF!!?? IKD why I'm even venting out here it's a YT video..I just could relate to it so much...and I beaten down my doors to keep this shut. I really hope a parent reads this and thinks about how they treat their kids. and I hope they change their actions. I'm 20. I'm technically an adult here in my country and I know no parent can be perfect and that having kids and if not a lot of kids is hard and not an easy task. But man!! I hope your kids did not go through the bull shit I went though and am still going through. Cuz it's not healthy. Accept that as a parent you can have wrong actions and that you better can correct those then deny they happened or weren't that bad.
    I'm...sorry for tossing this out... I cracked and may this find it's way somewhere useful.
    Also no worries. I'm in good care! I'm on my own now I got a lovely GF and I might go for that PTSD therapy too just to make sure it won't effect me as much in the future.....I held my lips closed for to many years...It's time to get open about this.

    • @lunaroseartz9126
      @lunaroseartz9126 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm sorry that your parents didnt listen and support you during this. I dont really have much else to say except for good luck with everything! And I hope your doing good! :)

    • @sunettas9738
      @sunettas9738 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm sorry about how your parents treated you, and I'm glad you're doing okay now. It's frustrating to see how people won't change despite the harm they did, and even harder to accept it. You don't have to forgive your parents if you don't want to, but I hope you can find peace otherwise

  • @dionemartins0212
    @dionemartins0212 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Honestly, it makes complete sense, but after the Hooty episode, it feels even more related to disabilities. I have Attention Deficit, and the fact that she, in the end, makes a deal to work together with the curse kinda screams that to me.
    Like, yeah, taking my medicine is important, and when I don't and I start having episodes, it's like I can't control my body. But sometimes, multifocusing is good. Although it can be a problem, sometimes, hyperfocusing can be useful.
    You know what I mean?
    And it also makes sense with the fact that Eda is considered wild, and that she would rather risk her life then settle down in a coven. But that's not really about the curse, it's more about Eda

  • @Mambo1061
    @Mambo1061 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I was thinking the same thing ever since we saw Eda first transform
    And it’s probably one of the very few shows in the mainstream at all that explicitly normalizes in any way the use of long term or lifelong medications. I also wonder if the show is inspiring understanding for those experiencing mental health crises, including public ones.

  • @Fragile_Media
    @Fragile_Media 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I think something really clicked with me when watching episode 4 of TOH.
    I was recently diagnosed with what is colloquially called high functioning autism and what that essentially boils down to for me personally is this. I struggled when I was younger to do things the "normal way" and to do things that "normal" kids could do but through good upbringing (thank fuck) I grew to be able to do and understand things the same way everyone else does.
    The difference is that I just learn things in a different way and it's never been about how I can't do tasks or understand things it's rather a question of HOW I learn to understand something.
    Here with Eda and Lilith I think that's fantastically represented in how they have to both learn magic again but with Glyphs rather than spells. They can accomplish absolutely anything and perform on par with their peers, however they just approach magic from a different angle.
    I'm so thankful for this messaging (whether it's intentional or not is another story) and I feel so well represented by the struggles that Eda and Lilith are facing.

  • @gendertale
    @gendertale 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    i think the new episode REALLY adds on to this metaphor

  • @VioletJazz
    @VioletJazz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I'll be honest, my mom is a bit better then Gwen when it comes to mental or physical illnesses, having to deal with both herself then having me with Asperger's. I'm grateful that I had a mother whose weaknesses made her a stronger and better person, who is able to better understand what people like me go through everyday.

  • @davidbodor1762
    @davidbodor1762 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Initially early on when we didn't know much about the curse, it made me think of an allegory for an STD. Which I know, I know, weird read since there is no S or T in Disney. It's just, I have a very close friend who struggles with one that she got at a relatively young age. It's something that stays with you for life and people will make you feel ashamed of it and yourself - despite the fact that a pretty big percentage of adults get something at some point in their lives.

  • @Radi_vvanker
    @Radi_vvanker 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Hearing her momma say “loving every part of you” made me wail internally, great vid!

  • @emma_nutella58
    @emma_nutella58 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    They handled Eda’s curse in terms of disability really well, how it affects the family and how it affects your life

  • @Eazy_Peazy
    @Eazy_Peazy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have anxiety, and I felt like I couldn't control it at all. I tried to control it, but it just made me worry more and more to the point where at one point, I couldn't make any decisions at all for weeks because I was so worried about the future. Lately I've been able to control it more. But this video helped me realize that it's not something i should be ashamed of. I should just learn to live with it and accept that it's a part of me. Not just a huge parasite taking up my brain. It's there, and I am dealing with it, and thats ok.
    Damn I guess I'm an Eda kinnie now.

  • @hotcocoa8373
    @hotcocoa8373 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It's a little sad that this video came out before Knock Knock Knockin' on Hooty's Door came out, since that was a very important piece of development on Eda and The Owl Beast, with how Eda reacted to everything, shunning Raine and how much she blamed the curse. Still, wonderful video!

  • @StarlasAiko
    @StarlasAiko 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I read/heard several comparisons of the curse with physical disabilities or chronic illnesses. But more than any physical disability, I think it is more akin to a mental disability, specifically depression or manic-depression (bipolar personality disorder). The curse even behaves a lot like those two. Same as the curse, depressions and bipolar disorder tend to make one become very hostile when they flare up, especially towards people one cares about and who try to help and show sympathy. And just like the curse' representation in Eda's headscape, they become a lot more manageable and less dangerous if the depression or bipolarity is not feared, suppressed or rejected.

  • @DreadPirateElla
    @DreadPirateElla 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Dude I noticed this too! The monster thing that she describes as a child and that we see throughout the episode rlly reminded me of some kind of mental illness, especially when she kinda defeated it and it got small. I'm glad you're talking abt it bc I haven't seen anyone else talk abt it yet!

  • @gabys919
    @gabys919 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I agree and relate more to lillith. I have three siblings and one is mentally I'll and another used to have cancer. And my other sibling who was just fine was the youngest so I end up getting the bottom of the barrel for attention from really anyone. It doesn't help that when I do ask for help I'm either ignored or told the same thing over and over again. I feel like my own mental health is getting worse and that there is something wrong with me but I cant tell anyone because it's probably harder for my siblings and it's so hard and I'm sorry if I'm annoying any of you in the comments.

  • @mrb5940
    @mrb5940 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My grandma (god bless her soul) suffered of anxiety and probably bipolar disorder her whole life, she found medication and treatments to help her, but because of negligence and people without morals, she ended up abusing her medications. She passed away because of liver damage many years after that, probably for the abuse of medications during her whole life. I think this traumatized my mom, and everytime we talk about medications and long term usage of treatments, she always speaks of these as either scams or in a bad way. She is not antivaccines, but she definitely doesn't believe in the use of medications as a long term treatment.
    This is why Eda's mom situation really resonated with me, and why I loved this episode so much

  • @aduckinlingerie
    @aduckinlingerie 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I couldn't agree more. During Eda's dream sequence, all i could about was how her relationship with the curse was really similar to my own experience dealing with mental health issues.

  • @ARCtheCartoonMaster
    @ARCtheCartoonMaster 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I have to take meds to deal with my anxiety, so I can relate to Eda's struggle. I just hope she's grateful she doesn't have to commit daily crime to stay alive.
    And yeah, I know Eda is a criminal because she refuses to join a coven, but at least she did that of her own volition, instead of due to some arbitrary curse like in that opera by those two British guys no-one cares about.

    • @DrawciaGleam02
      @DrawciaGleam02 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What opera are you talking about?

  • @rowo6433
    @rowo6433 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you so much for making this video. I relate to eda and her curse so much as someone who struggles with a lot of mental illnesses.

  • @dutchstewart9462
    @dutchstewart9462 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I don't think that Eda's curse is actually a curse I suspect it may be part of a forgotten ritual one at where somebody faces off against a corrupted form of their own spirit animal

  • @HoneyJinxxed
    @HoneyJinxxed 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    SPOILER ALERT
    The episode Knock Knock Knockin' on Hooty's Door revealed just how accurate the depiction of the curse as a Mental Illness/Disability really is. You can't just bury it away, you can't just pretend it doesn't exist, you have to acknowledge it, you have to work with it and I'm so glad that the show is actually, though subtly, depicting these types of themes.

  • @wildheartthetawnyowl8286
    @wildheartthetawnyowl8286 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like the vagueness of the curse. I related to this video not because I have a mental illness per se, but because I was my mother's shadow for so long-because I repressed so much of my dysphoria-that I ended up with crippling self-doubt. For the longest time, I thought I had depression- but I am just a neurodivergent demiboy born into the wrong body. I see a lot of myself in Lillith as well as Eda; always having to be that 'perfect child' who was never allowed to crack or show weakness.

  • @bee-zz6bf
    @bee-zz6bf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i definitely saw her curse representing chronic illness, which my mom has so i showed toh to her and she absolutely loved it esp eda :)

  • @chickadeestevenson5440
    @chickadeestevenson5440 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    then knock knock knocking on hooty's door happend
    I still think it symbolizes mental illness in some ways, but in other ways....
    WOW.

  • @jacksonfurlong3757
    @jacksonfurlong3757 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I know its a bit surface-level but, both Eda and her sister now have visible signs of their mental illness at all times, now. In the form of their heterochromia (they both have a 'cursed' grey eye)

  • @sofiaardvark9039
    @sofiaardvark9039 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I LOVE this interpretation of yours, and with the new episode, I feel it just keeps making more sense, and I'd like to give my thoughts on it.
    Spoiler!!
    Eda talks about how the curse ruined her life and relashionships, how she pushed everyone away because of it, like with Raine (who also could've reacted better, they really left when Eda clearly wasn't okay), maybe because she was made to be ashamed of it from her mother and others like you said. And we know the Clawthorne sisters don't talk to their father much anymore, and maybe that was partly caused by Eda's curse, which understandably scared him, the way some symptoms of mental illness can frighten people close to oneself. Her father didn't react well to it though, and perhaps that also had a part in making Eda more ashamed of her curse and not wanting to show it and be helped by the one's she loved.
    In her dream she is also captured by a bounty hunter, which represents how society views her as a threat because of her curse, even when she is in control of it like in that part.
    By the end of her segment in the episode she further connects with the Owl Beast and accepts her curse, which actually starts to show the positive ways it can affect her life if she has the right approach and mentality towards it, which I think is a pretty clear metaphor in this context.

  • @sisi7304
    @sisi7304 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    absolutely love this video, and that part (or really the whole episode) felt very close to home for me as well, I really loved it, even when it made me uncomfortable lol, the steven universe episode did too, as I've gone through a lot of trauma
    also, now with that dream in the newest episode, and how she's more in Harpy form, that can be a symbol for how the curse (or any mental illness) can be further manageable, so it's not so terribly bad as to completely debilitate her daily, she can work with it, using it more as a power (some neurodivergent people can use tricks and accommodations to work *with* their mental disorder/illness in order to be successful, and some disabled people can do very well when appropriately accommodated), but still using elixir to be human most of the time

  • @Tazer_Silverscar
    @Tazer_Silverscar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Possibly a weird question, is Eda based on Ryoko from the Tenchi anime franchise? Her voice even sounds very similar to Ryoko from the Tenchi dub.

  • @cdmay4
    @cdmay4 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    honestly my favorite part of this other than eda shrinking the curse in her mind was when their mother didn't realize the other child also had the curse. A lot of mental disorders are easily overlooked especially if you already have a set idea of what it's supposed to be in your own mind. So even when you ask for help people think you are looking for attention and refuse to give it to you because others have it worse. in my own case I have like 8 mental disorders that are pretty severe but because I can hold a normal conversation people tend to think I'm faking for attention unless they know me long enough to witness me having a panic attack or balling my eyes out over something dumb. Just because you are good at handling it most of the time doesn't mean you don't need help either and it can be difficult to get if you don't have the attention needed for people to listen. I remember the term "self-sefecint" (sp?) from my childhood and being somewhere between angry and proud. I could definitely relate to both throughout the episode

  • @777Rowen
    @777Rowen ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love your discussion! As someone with a disability it’s nice to see something like this. There’s a quote that Eda says in an episode “Knock Knock Knocking on Hooty’s Door” that is really impactful. It’s this scene during the dream sequence, “Eda: [looks at the elixer] Now I thought these were a way to fight you, but... I think they’re the reason we can stand here face to face. Listen, neither of us want to be here, but... we are, and there’s no changing that. If we can’t accept each other, this nightmare will never end. So what do you say? Truce? For now?” It’s this beautiful moment of acceptance and learning that you can’t change parts of yourself; but that you have to accept yourself, and that the darker aspects can be managed. Weather you have a chronic illness, disability like I do, or mental illness like I do it’s such a beautiful & impactful message.

  • @alicefindlay5053
    @alicefindlay5053 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I can understand how you feel I have Cerebral palsy and I relate to her a lot too

  • @Vampiric_Goblin
    @Vampiric_Goblin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Well this video symuteneously called me out but also help me understand myself AND IT WAS OVER A SHOW I LOVE

  • @thefallenstarlight2133
    @thefallenstarlight2133 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really love this! I felt a connection with this as well, but because of my epilepsy. The seen where Eda brushes it off and says "No one likes a curse, but it's manageable", everything with her mother, and how she tries to keep it a secret were very relatable to me. I'm glad I'm not the only one who can relate to her condition.

  • @sporogymno
    @sporogymno ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As someone with borderline issues, it was so wholesome to see Eda accept the lil owl dude (ie, borderline anger) 😢💗

  • @matiassanchez1362
    @matiassanchez1362 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love this video! I knew you because of the infinity train video about Amelia, but I haven't seen so much of your content.
    In addition to the elixir/medication thing, let me add something else: Eda says at some point of the series that she needs more and more of it for the curse to be manageable, and that is something that happens a lot with health-related drugs. For example, Clonazepam (used for people with anxiety disorder and/or when having a panic attack) affects the body in a way that makes it more resistant to it, needing bigger and bigger dosis

  • @melosunny
    @melosunny 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    literally just watched every single episode just so i could watch this video
    and now it's my favourite show :/

  • @Lazy_.Lavender
    @Lazy_.Lavender 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    18:10
    Wow. That part specifically really hit me hard. I have those exact thoughts. It's probably because of trauma and not a mental illness (since I'm not diagnosed) but still. It's crazy how much more inclusive shows are now. As a 10 year old, a lot of kids my age really need to be taught the importance of mental illnesses and stuff, even those who aren't diagnosed. It's important for younger generations to get to understand how to deal with people and understand them, and that having a mental illness just makes you yourself. It sucks, I don't have one but I can say for sure that having a mental illness sucks, but its nothing to me ashamed of.

  • @darwinstarr6752
    @darwinstarr6752 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I loved that episode. yay another tuck and birdie fan it is so underrated

  • @skyhideaway
    @skyhideaway 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    (vent that no one wants to hear)
    This was the exact same thought I had too when I watched it . It really hit close to home for me too, with both mental and physical illnesses. I struggled with epilepsy for a long time and I don't think it still has been completely cured. Seizures are the devil and not only is it scary to me, with hallucinations, dizziness and headaches, but it's scary to people watching me have a seizure. People often see it as disgusting or terrifying or pitiful. My parents took me to a doctor and I took the prescribed medicine but the seizures would still come back every now and then.
    I'll already be struggling to keep myself sane and just get through it, but I could hear my mom crying and talking about it as if I needed to be ashamed of it. All I would have wanted at that moment was to know that she's there because she can't really do anything once the seizure has started anyway. She would also blame me a lot because the doctor told me to avoid too much exposure to phones and screens, but being an introverted teenager, I couldn't give up my time on social media. So my mom would tell me that I brought this upon myself and I was hurting _her_ as a result. She even took to some religious actions that she believed would cure me of my illness completely. Of course that didn't work. All this led me to developing social anxiety, hiding my epileptic problems from people and shying away from everything.
    As a result of this and a few other instances of trauma, I also developed bipolar disorder. There are a lot of times I've slipped into depressive episodes and the way my family would talk about it made me feel guilty for having that illness. It make me feel guilty for being weak or not have the motivation to do anything, or to feel hopeless with life. My mom, again, sought out an alternative to modern medicine and took me to an ayurvedic hospital. Ayurveda works on physical problems well, but of course it didn't do anything for my mental health. I had to sit down and talk to her multiple times to make her understand that my bipolar disorder won't just heal, and instead I need to deal with it and for that, I need her support. Much like Eda's mom, my mom did apologize and is working on being better so I'm glad.

  • @zer0w0lf94
    @zer0w0lf94 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    When I saw you were going to release a video on The Owl House, I thought to myself "Lea and Rebecca Rose should do a collaboration some time."

  • @lilyberry6953
    @lilyberry6953 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I almost cryied 3 times cuz i do have problems at home and sometimes i think i will never get over it since everyone tells me to

  • @gabimurray5955
    @gabimurray5955 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Eda was hiding all her emotions from everyone, and she wanted to be strong enough to handle everything on her own so she would never hurt anyone again. The scene where eda makes peace with the owl beast on the beach is powerful. Eda is able to fully accept and feel her emotions.

  • @hikimi18
    @hikimi18 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I’m not sure if this is the right topic for this discussion, but growing up my grandpa use to be mean to his own kids, but when me and my late cousin Samantha came along, he started to treat us special because Sam was born with cystic fibrosis while I had the highest function of autistic due to my mom constantly drinking alcohol while she was pregnant with me. But just because he treated me and my cousin special that doesn’t mean we wouldn’t get away with anything, because even me and cousin would be punish too if we did something wrong.
    What’s worse is that because of our my grandpa treated us special, my siblings and even my own aunt and uncle would tease me, make fun of me and bullied me throughout my childhood.

  • @AeroExistsForSomeReason
    @AeroExistsForSomeReason ปีที่แล้ว

    I think that i relate a lot to it as a teen who’s mom refused to believe I had depression and who has been constantly trying to fix my adhd, especially her line about having a right to be upset. Being a person who is a people pleaser and constantly made fun of it really hits home, i think that as well my mom trying to solve those problems made my depression worse