Go Seigen (W) vs Kitani Minoru (B) ShinFuseki game 1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ย. 2024
- In this video I play through the moves of this game played by two outstanding players. This is a common form of study for pros, and I hope that you will find it relaxing and entertaining. In 1933, Go Seigen and Kitani Minoru worked together to produce some innovative ideas for the opening, and they called this the 'Shinfuseki', or 'New opening'. While both players that they should re-emphasise the value of the center, Go Seigen liked the idea of playing 3-3 and 4-4 points for speed, and Kitani focused more on playing high points in the corners. These new ideas and radically new opening patterns associated with Shinfuseki stimulated creative play by many top professionals in the mid-1930s, and made a lasting change in opening theory.
This game was sponsored by the Hochi newspaper.
Michael, we love real board games, reviews, and lectures! Thank you
What a crazy game. I had no idea what was going on at all half the time.
fabian mikenda same here ; I don’t even know who won
I really enjoy this sort of video Mr.Redmond. You also chose a very interesting game to replay! Thanks!
you prefer no commentary?
It's so cool to watch this video with real board! Watch it many times and reflect about the intentions of the players. Thank you for the video.
What a marvelous game to share with us, thank you! Please continue the excellent content!
Thank you so much for making these videos. I love watching the go board!
Seeing you post a video is one of the few things that can manage to put a smile on my face. Thanks for everything.
I love to see how these two great masters experimented during the shin-fuseki era of go, there is clear purpose behind such an experimental game. You can see blacks thoughts on the importance of the center of the board ( though most a.i. plays territorially, they also have a big understanding of how important the center is) along with go seigen deep understanding of the importance of sente. He makes a lot of moves just for the sake of attaining sente and leaves them til much later in the game
Sweet highlighted comment tnx
Thank you so much! Just a practical issue: youtube overlaps the last 20 or so seconds with its recommendations, so it is hard to see the end. Perhaps allow some slacktime...
Good idea. I only just learned how to add those, so they weren’t planned when I filmed the first 30 + videos.
Really enjoying this playlist. First videos I've seen of interesting games with no commentary. The sounds of the stones is relaxing. Love the commentary also but this let's me try and figure out the ideas behind the moves myself!
If I had no context I'd say this is a DDK game. But this is one from the masters
Thanks you for sharing.
You're an inspiration for me and us all, thank you
Keep up the great content! Thank you so much!
It feels like white is dancing around the board.
To me the most interesting part was white making the triangle shape at the bottom of the board when it was pretty clear that black would capture those stones. I wonder why Seigen did that... was the idea perhaps to make it harder for black to make a shape with eyes?
Very interesting!
This could very well be a style that I could play intuitively
Thank you for sharing this game！
beautiful game..
rivalry is really strong on this game.
Accidental ASMR
Black's fuseki in this game reminds me of an aspect of Takemiya's style: you have to be awfully good at fighting to make it work...
Takemiya's style can be called a direct relation of the Shinfuseki. He started with Shinfuseki ideas and built on them to create a powerful opening system.
@@MichaelRedmondsGoTV Powerful indeed, but so difficult to emulate.
Can you talk about how to place the stone with authority and the meaning behind it
What an interesting game! What seems like an incredibly weird opening, then for a long time, there was no fighting, then all hell broke loose, with multiple huge fights all over the place. Eventually, there was a massive trade in the upper corners. Can anyone share the result of the game? (Or is that considered unimportant?)
Black resigned at the end of the video
@@MichaelRedmondsGoTVWhich move was the biggest mistake for black?
This is chill.
what is this beginning? crazy stuff! :)
beautiful
To replay the moves of high level games is something a 11k like myself can also benefit from? If so, do I need to memorize it, like some people say, or just going through the moves is already good enough to develop some intuition about the game?
There are a number of ways to improve your game, so in general, I would say that your highest priority should be that you can enjoy and continue doing something about Go, whether it be life and death, game analysis, playing, or watching. You can gain intuitive and practical knowledge by memorizing the first 20-30 moves of a game, while more tactical positions after the middlegame require a fuller logical understanding that can be found in game analysis.
I actually did an interview with me Redmond that will be going up some time this week for the AGA he goes more in depth on this question
@@MichaelRedmondsGoTV Mr. Redmond, thank you for your thoughts.
@@justin9202 Nice. Looking forward to it.
not this one
I expected to hear some comments :)
Very interesting. Do you think that the advent of self-taught superhuman Go AI's has put the idea of Shin Fuseki to rest?
Such AI's never play in this way
b: trolololol
w: trolls harder
First Like :D
Check out the last recorded game ever played between Seigen and Minoru. th-cam.com/video/pGZluQUkflo/w-d-xo.html