The Hawaiian dragon of lore the Mo’o is what inspired not only Komo’o, but Salazzle and Alolan Exeggutor as well. The Mo’o were said to be female only and shapeshifters that would often disguise themselves as palm trees which is why Exeggutor has the dragon typing. Happy new year guys, love the podcast!
There's a real-world reason for including dinosaur-like Pokemon in dragon teams and assigning the dragon type to dinosaur-like Pokemon. In Japanese, the word Ryu is used to describe dragons and dinosaurs.
Just a thought one way to think about the pokemon egg groups is how could certain pokemon learn moves that don't seem to make the most sense but they can learn them like scrafty with dragon dance, it could have a dragon parent
The Psychic type is Pokemon's Legendary "type" choice. Gen 1 Mew + Mewtwo Gen 2 Lugia + Celebii Gen 3 Lati-twins + JIrachi Gen 4 Lake trio + Cresselia Gen 5 Victini + Meloetta Gen 6 Hoopa Gen 7 Tapu-lele + Cosmog-line + Necrozma Gen 8 Calyrex + Galarian Articuno Gen 9 Munkidori I believe Dragon type was meant to teach you Perseverance, they were low encounter, weak and have worst levelling rates but when fully trained up rewarded you with a Pokemon worth your effort. This changed in Generation Four when Dragons became box art legendary Pokemon. Not needing you to actually go out of your way to find and catch them as it was needed to progress the game. Plus you normally get a Master Ball before that point in the story. Making them as common as a rock on the side of the road and offering you a reward for simply playing the main story. On lumi' point on Lance, and none dragon being Dragons, They are all a part of the Dragon Egg group minus Aerodactyl which still doesn't make sense but what is interesting is There is no psychic type in the Dragon Egg group. Dragon was always a great offensive type, the issue was it had no moves in gen 1, as it only had dragons rage and in gen 2 it only really got outrage which locks you in, gen 3 it got dragon claw and dragon dance which is when the type started to pop-off and then with gen 4 having the physical special split it and the newly added Draco meteor with was only resist by steel types made it the best stab move to go for if you thought they might switch and made dragon dance dragon claw/outrage extremely hard to deal with, they had to make Fairy type because Dragon was to good of a offensive typing.
This was a lot of fun, we should do this with the other powerful mythical type: Fairy. When it was introduced the type as given to a lot of previous Pokémon but imo they missed some out (Milotic, Ampharos etc). Would be fun to see you go through the Nat Dex with the Fairy type too! Love the pods keep it up folks 💚
I dunno why Terapagos should be a dragon when it's meant to have the powers of every type, Normal is the only one that makes sense for something like that because it's the closest we have to neutral, that's why Arceus is Normal too, and personally I think being similar to Arceus makes Terapagos more special. We already have a million legendary dragons, THIS GAME already featured dragons and if a Unova game is next we're gonna focus on dragons even more than usual. (besides Terapagos's "real" type is Stellar anyway)
One of my favourite podcasts you guys have put out. I love the more focused topic and really digging into each Pokemon of a single type. Thank for the great content guys and happy new year ❤
i like how in the games being a dragon type trainer is like a lineage thing. we see this with hassel and his sister, iris, drayden, drayton, lance,clair etc etc. The cool thing is that most of the dragon trainers know eachother. Hassel from paldea knows drayton and drayden so he must know iris. i like to think that every year in pokemon world all the aclaimed dragon trainers gather in one place ,like a hidden symposium so they can interchange ideas and learn about dragon types.
@@HelloFrisco if you take the classes of each instructor you get a liitle character story for each of them. for Hassel you learn that he comes from a lineage of dragon type users and his father was against the idea for him becoming an artist. at some point his sister comes to his class to confront him but the player gives him the courage to stand up to his family.
1:02:14 I view the dragon type as (beyond literal face-value dragons) the like embodiment of dedication/determination/courage/tradition/(insert metaphysical concept here) etc. Snails will cross the sidewalk at great peril to themselves when it rains, which explains Goodra in my mind. Sushi chefs apprentice and train for YEARS before becoming masters, which explains Tatsugiri to me. It explains why Lucario learns Dragon Pulse, why a lot of the martial arts 'mons can learn Dual Chop- iirc there's a lot of dragon talk in martial arts as well... 🤷
Happy new year gents. Great podcast, I’m just listening and loving the lore and myths being discussed. I’m still holding out hope that we get a new take on the snake dragon in the next gen, something a bit like (but not copying) Rayquazas form.
Dragon-taming sounds awesome, but fish-taming is hilarious - great episode! If you guys ever want a biologist for another type/biology/taxonomy episode I'd love to come on! 😁
keep up the good work guys. happy new year! few things that might add to the discussion. 1. Birds ARE dinosaurs (avian therapods) 2. Dinosaurs weren't all cold blooded, in fact many were similar in homeostatic regulation to birds! 3. The word for bug type I believe you were looking for was "arthropod", 4. the 'antlers' on a giraffes head are known as "ossicones" 5. there is a great book by Adrianne mayor called 'the first fossil hunters' that you should read, it goes into the discovery of fossils of large mammals and dinosaurs in the fossil record and the belief that these fossils were the bones of ancient dragons, giants and the like (cyclops skull was really a mammoth skull viewed from the front, the one-eye being the nasal passage. so amped for the wood dragon kyurem next year.
😂😂😂 I was cleaning my 'dragons' so I might have missed it... did you not go through all the pokemon that have the dragon-type hidden power!!?!???!! it's in you name! 😂😂😂😂
I believe Lockstin showed this connection, but the reason that the Goodra line are snail dragons is due to artists in the medieval era depicting knights fighting snails in their manuscripts. The evolution of a typical base fantasy creature such as a slime into a snail and finally into powerful dragon. Edit:: Small note on Soul’s theory about dragons, and his whole rant about dinosaurs being cold blooded. There’s evidence that they were actually warm blooded, but they also had thick skin and feathers to insulate themselves. There were even some species of dinosaurs that lived in colder, more arctic regions. The part about other reptiles being cold blooded fits though.
Soul: "what would the original dragon's type even be if it can't be Fire and Electric and Ice". I'll repeat myself as many times as you like ;D It would be none of those 3 types. -Electric and Fire represent two different specific kinds of active/exothermic/generated ENERGY -Ice represents dormant/negative/endothermic LACK OF ENERGY The original Dragon would 100% not be Ice, because Kyurem is the OPPOSITE of its entire being, it's literally what you get when you REMOVE THE ORIGINAL DRAGON from the equation. And it obviously also wouldn't be Electric or Fire, because those are what you get if you change the original dragon into one of two extremes of "energy". The original Dragon would be BALANCED, a middle-ground rather than an extreme. Reshiram is the past, Zekrom is the future, from lighting a torch to running an electric motor.... the connecting piece is at the beginning of the industrial revolution: the STEAM ENGINE. It would be Dragon/Water. -Water is an incredible medium for transferring energy -Water is not biased towards any extreme appearances, it adapts to whatever solid shape it goes into -when you take energy out of water, literally what remains is ice. These are just random thoughts from the top of my head, but it's just so long been so crystal clear to me that it would be Water lol And the thing I repeat the most; the original Dragon is not a fusion of the 3 dragons we know, it's an equal to the 2 dragons and Kyurem is its opposite.
7:07 - large dinosaurs and humans never lived at the same time so such legends could not have been passed down. To DustyGogoat's credit, he does initially agree with, "...they find their bones" but then he says, "oh..." and goes awkwardly silent. That cringey moment really made my day! Gyarados is definitely a dragon. There is a Chinese myth that if a carp swims up a this giant waterfall on some mountain, it will become a dragon. I'm guessing there's a Japanese derivative of this myth which makes sense because I'm aware that a Japanese koi carp swimming upstream is a common tattoo motif. There is also a Japanese dragon koi tattoo motif which mixes the traits of a dragon and a fish. Also, the base Pokemon name Magi"karp" is a pretty dead giveaway that it's based on this myth.
I have always assumed that the fossil Pokemon having the rock type was kind of a reference to Jurassic Park (the first movie would have been REALLY new when they were working on the first game) and the dinos in the movie aren't "pure" they have dna added to theirs to paththe holes PLEASE STREAM THEM PLAYING SNAP FOR THE FIRST TIME
It would be hard to give an Emerald treatment on the Dragon-type Gym Leaders and Heavenly Kings because the said type Pokémon are limited in each region. That would be unless the Regional PokéDexes get updated.
I was so disappointed when Hydreigon didn't get a Gigantamax form based on King Ghidorah when they literally had forms based on Mecha-Godzilla AND Mothra 😭
AND YES, you got to trainer classes! A lot of trainer classes are essentially EGG-GROUP SPECIALISTS. If you look closely, even something as simple as "fishermen", they actually tend to use specifically "Water 2 egg-group" Pokémon, because that is the egg-group that seems to be about biological fish-based Pokémon. But my favorite example is the "PokéManiac" class, which in Japanese is known as Monster Maniac... and they use Monster egg-group Pokémon, like Nidorans, Cubone, Charmander, Aron, Rhyhorn etc.
32:11 Dusty: "maybe that's where we have to look to see what a new type would be" Guess how I came up with my favorite made-up type: Rubber. I thought of it when I realized there is an amorphous/formless egg-group, noticing that these kind of creatures have been a part of the series the whole time already and would therefore be very cool to have their own "skills/properties" represented by an actual type!
Soul: "The reason dragons are in every culture, option 1: dragons were real, option 2: they were dinosaurs" I prefer my third option: the only "canvas" that is shared by the whole planet is the sky. So perhaps there were some incredible cosmic events happening in the solar system that have completely disappeared and we are now unaware of. Think of it like some kind of spectacular prolonged series of comet-like bodies having encounters with the Earth, causing year-long apocalyptic displays in the sky, possibly even coming in multiple eras with different effects, that would have been impossible to ignore by early humans anywhere on the planet, as they would definitely cause some deep instinctive fears of serpentine airborne fire-breathing monsters that can wreak havoc on the earth.
Dusty: "to me on fossil Pkmn Rock is hiding a dormant type" Lumi/Soul: "AGREE!" ...of course I hard disagree on this 🤣 I am strongly convinced of the exact opposite. The reason the fossil-Pokemon can be perfectly brought back to life through cloning, is because they were Rock types all along. The Rock typing is why their genetic material withstands the fossilization process and stays in good enough condition to make it possible to flawlessly resurrect their species exactly as they were millions of years ago. Every fossil-Pokémon has a sturdy part of their body (in part thanks to their Rock type) which ends up being the part that remains in-tact as the fossil that is dug out of the earth. I've been a strong advocate of this line of thought FOR AGES. And by now, we have even had some fossils that are not Rock-types, in Galar, and no surprise, they're all messed up, because there was no Rock-type on them to preserve their genetic material well enough!
Precisely. Dragon Type =/= dragon egg-group. Types are elemental powers and properties, while egg-groups are about a Pokémon's actual biology. "Lance canonized this in Pokémon Masters" has me dying, cause that feels so recent and obscure, while the point being made is something I've been screaming for over 2 decades every time anyone brings up the Dragon type 🙃
I've always loved Dragons growing up and Dragon Pokemon were always my favorite, aka Dragonite until they started introducing new dragon Pokemon. But Gyarados has always been my favorite, despite Gyarados typing isn't a dragon, but Gyarados always goes on my team and I tend to lean to dragon type Pokemon when I play. Which is why Archaludon and Hydrapple were amazing to me, I had to have them on my DLC team. Hidden Power would be Ghost.
The original dragon could look like Zelda from TOTK and have its ability called Tri Force that gives it stab on fire, ice, and electric lol and make it pure dragon or dragon/fairy
Just started the video so not sure if this was mentioned but i just wanted to bring up how on all the pokemon games since gen 3 had an important legendary be dragon type. Hoenn - Rayquaza and Eon duo Sinnoh - Dialga, Palkia, but more importantly, Giratina Unova - Reshiram, Zekrom, and Kyurem (the oringinal dragon) Kalos - Zygarde Alola - Nekrozma z-form Galar - Eternatus Paldea - Koraidon and Miraidon I just feel like there's a larger story to be had there. Maybe i dont just want to believe that every generation, gamefreak is like "ok so whats our dragon type legendary". Thats just boring. In johto they have the dragon clan that Claire and Lance are part of. In Hoenn, they have the draconids introduced in ORAS. in Sinnoh, they have that one town that Cynthia is from that revere dragon pokemon. Dragon pokemon are really important in the pokemon world. I just feel like there's some underlying story that not being told yet.
To be fair Pokemon used to see Psychic as the legendary type, it's why a lot are Psychic type Legendary Pokemon, it's why Lugia is Psychic type and not water type. But that mindset changed for gen 3 which is when we start seeing Dragons as legends... So the probability is just a "whats the dragon for this game" mentality.
@mairain6443 probably. Maybe i just want it to be more lol. I like to think that gamefreak is playing 4d chess but in actuality, they are probably just fingerpainting.
@mairain6443 probably. Maybe i just want it to be more lol. I like to think that gamefreak is playing 4d chess but in actuality, they are probably just fingerpainting.
Nile crocodiles? You mean swamp puppies Dusty?😂 Also even though I like Tatsugiri fan art did disappoint me because someone literally made a bunch of sushi rolls but as a dragon and it looked so sick. So Tatsugiri was just a tad disappointing after seeing that, maybe I can get a regional fake one day if Magikarp and Gyarados that are actually sushi and also dragon types 🥹
Oooh @1:12 speaking of 10% Zygarde. I just had possible merch idea for yall 😂. So idk if yall know that meme saying that went around for a little bit that was like “I got that dog in me” and then it said “the dog in question:” then shows a picture of like courage the cowardly dog. What if yall did a a design like that but is just 10% Zygarde 😂.
If the design of the pokemon determined if it was dragon type then there should be cat, dog and fish types too. Though I guess thats kinda what the bug type is...
Yep was honestly thinking about the fish type the other day lol And back in Gen 1, there is an unused 'bird' type in the code. So its really not that ridiculous.
Yeah! Gamefreak probably decided that 15 types was enough at the time because if they added "animal" types it would have been over 20 types.. I think a cool concept would be if the "animal" type got affected by the environment. Like if you are battling with Seaking in the water, it would get a boost to its stats or something. It makes me think of the "Too many types" pokemon game that Alpharad and a team made!@@HiddenPowerPodcast
Guys iv been saying since the beginning of scarlet and violet that we are getting a new eevee form. You guys talk about pokemon loves leaving hints. The hints are all their. The question is what form. If you watch the last searies of the pokemon show. I dont remeber her name but the girl who had the eevee never evoled it. In the show they said it will evolve when its ready. And that eevees dna was a little different. And then of course theirs pemny. A huge hint towards eevee. Since we are coming up on the year of the dragon. I feel we are finally going to get the eevee dragon form.
Lumi: "Do they still sign things as 2023 in China until their new year? ..that makes negative amounts of sense. A different calendar means different year counting (it's 4719 for 3 more weeks, then 4720). They refer to the Gregorian calendar for a lot of civil purposes, and if that's what you meant, it makes even less sense, cause they'd say 2024 when it's 2024 in the calendar that that is referring to 🥴
What better way to celebrate the Year of the Dragon than with a new Pokémon remake! Of Johto with Lugia! 😂 jk clearly another sign for Unova game in 2024.
Eelektross shouldn't get Dragon... ... .. .. . . . ... .... It should get Rubber and become an Electric/Rubber type! Ha, this wasn't that one comment you were referring to!
So cuz Soul has a new camera, his movements don't lag like crazy...but it randomly flickers green. Still, his side of the screen feels much better now. 48:54 That's not technically true. Ice was surprisingly solid in G1 & was 1 of the better gens for Ice. It's a bit of a long story, but basically, Blizzard & Freeze were insane, Fire moves except Fire Spin thawed freezing & the Fire type didnt resist Ice, Fighting moves sucked, Steel didn't exist & most Rock-types were also weak to Ice due to their 2ndary typing. I let my strange inner nerd out 🤓
Dusty, as a well-known eeveelution naysayer, I do think we're getting a new eeveelution in the next 2 years actually. .. . . . ... ..... Just not a random Dragon one for the hell of it LOL (same for any other existing type). Think they're gonna keep giving Eevee itself weird limited gimmick forms, while saving actual eeveelutions specifically for introducing new types. New types are always a very divisive topic among Pokémon fans, especially the old "back in my day we didn't have any of these woke Fairy types and Dragonite was a legendary bla bla" ones. So if you think about it, an eeveelution is the strongest imaginable asset for making Pokémon fans open-minded and embrace a new type, because it is being presented in the most unambiguous and familiar way, heralded by one of the most beloved Pokémon-lines and ideas. And if they just now start making eeveelutions of some random generic types like Ground and Poison, it would water down this value and impact of a new eeveelution. An eeveelution can sell any crazy new type. This is not something that's easy to do otherwise. (...Ok maybe, it wouldn't work well for a Rubber type tbh🤣but I don't expect that to ever be added anyway)
The Hawaiian dragon of lore the Mo’o is what inspired not only Komo’o, but Salazzle and Alolan Exeggutor as well. The Mo’o were said to be female only and shapeshifters that would often disguise themselves as palm trees which is why Exeggutor has the dragon typing.
Happy new year guys, love the podcast!
Oh wow we had no idea about this!
There's a real-world reason for including dinosaur-like Pokemon in dragon teams and assigning the dragon type to dinosaur-like Pokemon. In Japanese, the word Ryu is used to describe dragons and dinosaurs.
The dragon type vs dragon motif conversation was interesting! I think it might be interesting to talk about it in terms of “genotype” and “phenotype”.
Just a thought one way to think about the pokemon egg groups is how could certain pokemon learn moves that don't seem to make the most sense but they can learn them like scrafty with dragon dance, it could have a dragon parent
The Psychic type is Pokemon's Legendary "type" choice.
Gen 1 Mew + Mewtwo
Gen 2 Lugia + Celebii
Gen 3 Lati-twins + JIrachi
Gen 4 Lake trio + Cresselia
Gen 5 Victini + Meloetta
Gen 6 Hoopa
Gen 7 Tapu-lele + Cosmog-line + Necrozma
Gen 8 Calyrex + Galarian Articuno
Gen 9 Munkidori
I believe Dragon type was meant to teach you Perseverance, they were low encounter, weak and have worst levelling rates but when fully trained up rewarded you with a Pokemon worth your effort.
This changed in Generation Four when Dragons became box art legendary Pokemon.
Not needing you to actually go out of your way to find and catch them as it was needed to progress the game.
Plus you normally get a Master Ball before that point in the story.
Making them as common as a rock on the side of the road and offering you a reward for simply playing the main story.
On lumi' point on Lance, and none dragon being Dragons, They are all a part of the Dragon Egg group minus Aerodactyl which still doesn't make sense but what is interesting is There is no psychic type in the Dragon Egg group.
Dragon was always a great offensive type, the issue was it had no moves in gen 1, as it only had dragons rage and in gen 2 it only really got outrage which locks you in, gen 3 it got dragon claw and dragon dance which is when the type started to pop-off and then with gen 4 having the physical special split it and the newly added Draco meteor with was only resist by steel types made it the best stab move to go for if you thought they might switch and made dragon dance dragon claw/outrage extremely hard to deal with, they had to make Fairy type because Dragon was to good of a offensive typing.
This was a lot of fun, we should do this with the other powerful mythical type: Fairy. When it was introduced the type as given to a lot of previous Pokémon but imo they missed some out (Milotic, Ampharos etc). Would be fun to see you go through the Nat Dex with the Fairy type too!
Love the pods keep it up folks 💚
I really want Milotic to be Fairy type. Like being the fairy to Gyrados’ dragon
Original Dragon becomes turtles all the way down when teralistiized
I dunno why Terapagos should be a dragon when it's meant to have the powers of every type, Normal is the only one that makes sense for something like that because it's the closest we have to neutral, that's why Arceus is Normal too, and personally I think being similar to Arceus makes Terapagos more special. We already have a million legendary dragons, THIS GAME already featured dragons and if a Unova game is next we're gonna focus on dragons even more than usual. (besides Terapagos's "real" type is Stellar anyway)
One of my favourite podcasts you guys have put out. I love the more focused topic and really digging into each Pokemon of a single type. Thank for the great content guys and happy new year ❤
Glad you enjoy it! Happy new year! More to come.
i like how in the games being a dragon type trainer is like a lineage thing. we see this with hassel and his sister, iris, drayden, drayton, lance,clair etc etc. The cool thing is that most of the dragon trainers know eachother. Hassel from paldea knows drayton and drayden so he must know iris. i like to think that every year in pokemon world all the aclaimed dragon trainers gather in one place ,like a hidden symposium so they can interchange ideas and learn about dragon types.
Who’s hassel sister?
@@HelloFrisco if you take the classes of each instructor you get a liitle character story for each of them. for Hassel you learn that he comes from a lineage of dragon type users and his father was against the idea for him becoming an artist. at some point his sister comes to his class to confront him but the player gives him the courage to stand up to his family.
1:02:14 I view the dragon type as (beyond literal face-value dragons) the like embodiment of dedication/determination/courage/tradition/(insert metaphysical concept here) etc. Snails will cross the sidewalk at great peril to themselves when it rains, which explains Goodra in my mind. Sushi chefs apprentice and train for YEARS before becoming masters, which explains Tatsugiri to me. It explains why Lucario learns Dragon Pulse, why a lot of the martial arts 'mons can learn Dual Chop- iirc there's a lot of dragon talk in martial arts as well... 🤷
Dusty enjoying the gen5, I wish I could do a new playthrough right now...
LOL Lumi and Soul still convinced a gen5 game to be next
There are lots of dragon birds in mythology, which is why Altaria is a Dragon type. And Alolan Executor is a Polynesian tree dragon
Happy new year gents. Great podcast, I’m just listening and loving the lore and myths being discussed. I’m still holding out hope that we get a new take on the snake dragon in the next gen, something a bit like (but not copying) Rayquazas form.
Happy new year guys! 💚
Oh lol i only saw at the very end that Soul wears that Freddy KRueger drip xD
Lumi I see what you are doing. I'm not time stamping all the times Dusty said Terapagos wrong. But well played sir.
Dragon-taming sounds awesome, but fish-taming is hilarious - great episode! If you guys ever want a biologist for another type/biology/taxonomy episode I'd love to come on! 😁
Good to know!
Thank you, guys! Fun episode on a rainy British day 😅 Dragons are one of the best types!
keep up the good work guys. happy new year! few things that might add to the discussion. 1. Birds ARE dinosaurs (avian therapods) 2. Dinosaurs weren't all cold blooded, in fact many were similar in homeostatic regulation to birds! 3. The word for bug type I believe you were looking for was "arthropod", 4. the 'antlers' on a giraffes head are known as "ossicones" 5. there is a great book by Adrianne mayor called 'the first fossil hunters' that you should read, it goes into the discovery of fossils of large mammals and dinosaurs in the fossil record and the belief that these fossils were the bones of ancient dragons, giants and the like (cyclops skull was really a mammoth skull viewed from the front, the one-eye being the nasal passage. so amped for the wood dragon kyurem next year.
😂😂😂 I was cleaning my 'dragons' so I might have missed it... did you not go through all the pokemon that have the dragon-type hidden power!!?!???!! it's in you name! 😂😂😂😂
Refreshing discussion topic, welcome back HHP! Happy New Years 🎉🐉
I believe Lockstin showed this connection, but the reason that the Goodra line are snail dragons is due to artists in the medieval era depicting knights fighting snails in their manuscripts. The evolution of a typical base fantasy creature such as a slime into a snail and finally into powerful dragon.
Edit:: Small note on Soul’s theory about dragons, and his whole rant about dinosaurs being cold blooded. There’s evidence that they were actually warm blooded, but they also had thick skin and feathers to insulate themselves. There were even some species of dinosaurs that lived in colder, more arctic regions. The part about other reptiles being cold blooded fits though.
Soul: "what would the original dragon's type even be if it can't be Fire and Electric and Ice".
I'll repeat myself as many times as you like ;D
It would be none of those 3 types.
-Electric and Fire represent two different specific kinds of active/exothermic/generated ENERGY
-Ice represents dormant/negative/endothermic LACK OF ENERGY
The original Dragon would 100% not be Ice, because Kyurem is the OPPOSITE of its entire being, it's literally what you get when you REMOVE THE ORIGINAL DRAGON from the equation.
And it obviously also wouldn't be Electric or Fire, because those are what you get if you change the original dragon into one of two extremes of "energy".
The original Dragon would be BALANCED, a middle-ground rather than an extreme.
Reshiram is the past, Zekrom is the future, from lighting a torch to running an electric motor.... the connecting piece is at the beginning of the industrial revolution: the STEAM ENGINE.
It would be Dragon/Water.
-Water is an incredible medium for transferring energy
-Water is not biased towards any extreme appearances, it adapts to whatever solid shape it goes into
-when you take energy out of water, literally what remains is ice.
These are just random thoughts from the top of my head, but it's just so long been so crystal clear to me that it would be Water lol
And the thing I repeat the most; the original Dragon is not a fusion of the 3 dragons we know, it's an equal to the 2 dragons and Kyurem is its opposite.
I love this explanation. Really cool idea and I hope we get this one day.
7:07 - large dinosaurs and humans never lived at the same time so such legends could not have been passed down. To DustyGogoat's credit, he does initially agree with, "...they find their bones" but then he says, "oh..." and goes awkwardly silent. That cringey moment really made my day!
Gyarados is definitely a dragon. There is a Chinese myth that if a carp swims up a this giant waterfall on some mountain, it will become a dragon. I'm guessing there's a Japanese derivative of this myth which makes sense because I'm aware that a Japanese koi carp swimming upstream is a common tattoo motif. There is also a Japanese dragon koi tattoo motif which mixes the traits of a dragon and a fish.
Also, the base Pokemon name Magi"karp" is a pretty dead giveaway that it's based on this myth.
I have always assumed that the fossil Pokemon having the rock type was kind of a reference to Jurassic Park (the first movie would have been REALLY new when they were working on the first game) and the dinos in the movie aren't "pure" they have dna added to theirs to paththe holes
PLEASE STREAM THEM PLAYING SNAP FOR THE FIRST TIME
Pokémon already has a dragon category, its the egg group, in there you can see pretty much all dragon pokémon
My favorite Dargon Pokemon (including pre-evo forms, Mega Evos, and regional variants)
Mega Charizard X
Alolan Exeggutor
Dragonite
Latias + Latios (Mega)
Rayquaza (Mega)
Druddigon
Kyurem
Tyrantrum
Hisuian Goodra
Noivern
Turtonator
Drampa
Kommo-o
Naganadel
Flapple
Appletun
Dracozolt
Regidrago
Roaring Moon
Koraidon
Miraidon
Walking Wake
Hydrapple
Funny enough, Dragonite’s shiny is most likely based off Pete the Dragon. Look at them and tell me I’m wrong!
Walking Contradiction is Soul's paradox name btw
Would love to see a “drake” take on Salamence where he doesn’t get his wings.
That Fandom page was not specific to Dungeons & Dragons, just dragon lore in general
Soul out here rockin the Freddy Krueger drip.
Pokémon in the dragon egg group just means they can mate with dragons, being a reptile should not automatically make you a dragon
Not to be basic but I love dragon types. I really just love dinosaurs tortoises and lizards and they usually are dragons
If that’s basic, all real ones are basic. Dragons are sick
The dragon i picture is like the one in the Disney animation sword in the stone
Reminder Sceptile gains dragon typing on mega evolving. 1:15:22 so does Ampharos.
It would be hard to give an Emerald treatment on the Dragon-type Gym Leaders and Heavenly Kings because the said type Pokémon are limited in each region. That would be unless the Regional PokéDexes get updated.
I was so disappointed when Hydreigon didn't get a Gigantamax form based on King Ghidorah when they literally had forms based on Mecha-Godzilla AND Mothra 😭
Love the after credits scene!🔥
Hydrapple is just another group mon is “1 mon” like Exeggcute or Falinks but it a Hydra lookalike 😂😂
The Goomy line was based on the Blue Dragon Sea Slug hence it's dragon type
AND YES, you got to trainer classes!
A lot of trainer classes are essentially EGG-GROUP SPECIALISTS.
If you look closely, even something as simple as "fishermen", they actually tend to use specifically "Water 2 egg-group" Pokémon, because that is the egg-group that seems to be about biological fish-based Pokémon.
But my favorite example is the "PokéManiac" class, which in Japanese is known as Monster Maniac... and they use Monster egg-group Pokémon, like Nidorans, Cubone, Charmander, Aron, Rhyhorn etc.
32:11 Dusty: "maybe that's where we have to look to see what a new type would be"
Guess how I came up with my favorite made-up type: Rubber.
I thought of it when I realized there is an amorphous/formless egg-group, noticing that these kind of creatures have been a part of the series the whole time already and would therefore be very cool to have their own "skills/properties" represented by an actual type!
KECLEON MENTIONED!!!! Def dragon vibes and no evolution needed it’s so cute! too bad it’s not in SV so i can’t terastilize it as dragon type ://
Drampa is an eastern dragon ❤️ and hydrapple could be one too.
Dragon Type Pokemon r the best kinda with Garchomp being my favorite! And I'm still waiting till we get a Dragon type Starter.
You guys were freaking out about punctuation marks in the names from Gen 7 when you had Mr. Mime from the very beginning
trueeee
Gyrados is in the dragon egg group. Same with heliolisk,ekans and milotic
Soul: "The reason dragons are in every culture, option 1: dragons were real, option 2: they were dinosaurs"
I prefer my third option:
the only "canvas" that is shared by the whole planet is the sky.
So perhaps there were some incredible cosmic events happening in the solar system that have completely disappeared and we are now unaware of.
Think of it like some kind of spectacular prolonged series of comet-like bodies having encounters with the Earth, causing year-long apocalyptic displays in the sky, possibly even coming in multiple eras with different effects, that would have been impossible to ignore by early humans anywhere on the planet, as they would definitely cause some deep instinctive fears of serpentine airborne fire-breathing monsters that can wreak havoc on the earth.
Dusty: "to me on fossil Pkmn Rock is hiding a dormant type"
Lumi/Soul: "AGREE!"
...of course I hard disagree on this 🤣
I am strongly convinced of the exact opposite. The reason the fossil-Pokemon can be perfectly brought back to life through cloning, is because they were Rock types all along.
The Rock typing is why their genetic material withstands the fossilization process and stays in good enough condition to make it possible to flawlessly resurrect their species exactly as they were millions of years ago.
Every fossil-Pokémon has a sturdy part of their body (in part thanks to their Rock type) which ends up being the part that remains in-tact as the fossil that is dug out of the earth.
I've been a strong advocate of this line of thought FOR AGES.
And by now, we have even had some fossils that are not Rock-types, in Galar, and no surprise, they're all messed up, because there was no Rock-type on them to preserve their genetic material well enough!
Fun fact Dragonite's Japanese name (Kairyu) literally means "sea dragon"
Precisely.
Dragon Type =/= dragon egg-group.
Types are elemental powers and properties, while egg-groups are about a Pokémon's actual biology.
"Lance canonized this in Pokémon Masters" has me dying, cause that feels so recent and obscure,
while the point being made is something I've been screaming for over 2 decades every time anyone brings up the Dragon type 🙃
I've always loved Dragons growing up and Dragon Pokemon were always my favorite, aka Dragonite until they started introducing new dragon Pokemon. But Gyarados has always been my favorite, despite Gyarados typing isn't a dragon, but Gyarados always goes on my team and I tend to lean to dragon type Pokemon when I play. Which is why Archaludon and Hydrapple were amazing to me, I had to have them on my DLC team. Hidden Power would be Ghost.
The original dragon could look like Zelda from TOTK and have its ability called Tri Force that gives it stab on fire, ice, and electric lol and make it pure dragon or dragon/fairy
Happy new year my fellow pokemon nerds. I am still awaiting A Dragon/ Bug type
Just started the video so not sure if this was mentioned but i just wanted to bring up how on all the pokemon games since gen 3 had an important legendary be dragon type.
Hoenn - Rayquaza and Eon duo
Sinnoh - Dialga, Palkia, but more importantly, Giratina
Unova - Reshiram, Zekrom, and Kyurem (the oringinal dragon)
Kalos - Zygarde
Alola - Nekrozma z-form
Galar - Eternatus
Paldea - Koraidon and Miraidon
I just feel like there's a larger story to be had there. Maybe i dont just want to believe that every generation, gamefreak is like "ok so whats our dragon type legendary". Thats just boring.
In johto they have the dragon clan that Claire and Lance are part of. In Hoenn, they have the draconids introduced in ORAS. in Sinnoh, they have that one town that Cynthia is from that revere dragon pokemon.
Dragon pokemon are really important in the pokemon world. I just feel like there's some underlying story that not being told yet.
To be fair Pokemon used to see Psychic as the legendary type, it's why a lot are Psychic type Legendary Pokemon, it's why Lugia is Psychic type and not water type.
But that mindset changed for gen 3 which is when we start seeing Dragons as legends...
So the probability is just a "whats the dragon for this game" mentality.
@mairain6443 probably. Maybe i just want it to be more lol.
I like to think that gamefreak is playing 4d chess but in actuality, they are probably just fingerpainting.
@mairain6443 probably. Maybe i just want it to be more lol.
I like to think that gamefreak is playing 4d chess but in actuality, they are probably just fingerpainting.
Nile crocodiles? You mean swamp puppies Dusty?😂 Also even though I like Tatsugiri fan art did disappoint me because someone literally made a bunch of sushi rolls but as a dragon and it looked so sick. So Tatsugiri was just a tad disappointing after seeing that, maybe I can get a regional fake one day if Magikarp and Gyarados that are actually sushi and also dragon types 🥹
Oooh @1:12 speaking of 10% Zygarde. I just had possible merch idea for yall 😂. So idk if yall know that meme saying that went around for a little bit that was like “I got that dog in me” and then it said “the dog in question:” then shows a picture of like courage the cowardly dog. What if yall did a a design like that but is just 10% Zygarde 😂.
Latias and Latios shouldve been Dragon/Steel since theyre airplanes 😁
If the design of the pokemon determined if it was dragon type then there should be cat, dog and fish types too. Though I guess thats kinda what the bug type is...
Yep was honestly thinking about the fish type the other day lol
And back in Gen 1, there is an unused 'bird' type in the code. So its really not that ridiculous.
Yeah! Gamefreak probably decided that 15 types was enough at the time because if they added "animal" types it would have been over 20 types.. I think a cool concept would be if the "animal" type got affected by the environment. Like if you are battling with Seaking in the water, it would get a boost to its stats or something. It makes me think of the "Too many types" pokemon game that Alpharad and a team made!@@HiddenPowerPodcast
I have a conspiracy theory that dinosaur fossils inspired dragons.
Nothing better than dragon Pokémon that aren’t dragon types
I personally think Dragon Eevee is unnecessary at this point but maybe it will happen
Guys iv been saying since the beginning of scarlet and violet that we are getting a new eevee form. You guys talk about pokemon loves leaving hints. The hints are all their. The question is what form. If you watch the last searies of the pokemon show. I dont remeber her name but the girl who had the eevee never evoled it. In the show they said it will evolve when its ready. And that eevees dna was a little different. And then of course theirs pemny. A huge hint towards eevee. Since we are coming up on the year of the dragon. I feel we are finally going to get the eevee dragon form.
Lumi: "Do they still sign things as 2023 in China until their new year?
..that makes negative amounts of sense.
A different calendar means different year counting (it's 4719 for 3 more weeks, then 4720).
They refer to the Gregorian calendar for a lot of civil purposes, and if that's what you meant, it makes even less sense, cause they'd say 2024 when it's 2024 in the calendar that that is referring to 🥴
What better way to celebrate the Year of the Dragon than with a new Pokémon remake! Of Johto with Lugia! 😂 jk clearly another sign for Unova game in 2024.
Eelektross shouldn't get Dragon...
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It should get Rubber and become an Electric/Rubber type!
Ha, this wasn't that one comment you were referring to!
So cuz Soul has a new camera, his movements don't lag like crazy...but it randomly flickers green. Still, his side of the screen feels much better now.
48:54 That's not technically true. Ice was surprisingly solid in G1 & was 1 of the better gens for Ice. It's a bit of a long story, but basically, Blizzard & Freeze were insane, Fire moves except Fire Spin thawed freezing & the Fire type didnt resist Ice, Fighting moves sucked, Steel didn't exist & most Rock-types were also weak to Ice due to their 2ndary typing. I let my strange inner nerd out 🤓
lol good riddance to scrapped not-kingdra. I love actual Kingdra.
i love kingdra too - dusty
DUSTY the GOAT 💥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Soal clearly doesn’t know anything about dinosaurs lol
Man, so much rock type erasure.
😜 BIG MONSTER ROCK
Dusty, as a well-known eeveelution naysayer,
I do think we're getting a new eeveelution in the next 2 years actually.
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Just not a random Dragon one for the hell of it LOL (same for any other existing type).
Think they're gonna keep giving Eevee itself weird limited gimmick forms, while saving actual eeveelutions specifically for introducing new types.
New types are always a very divisive topic among Pokémon fans, especially the old "back in my day we didn't have any of these woke Fairy types and Dragonite was a legendary bla bla" ones.
So if you think about it, an eeveelution is the strongest imaginable asset for making Pokémon fans open-minded and embrace a new type, because it is being presented in the most unambiguous and familiar way, heralded by one of the most beloved Pokémon-lines and ideas.
And if they just now start making eeveelutions of some random generic types like Ground and Poison, it would water down this value and impact of a new eeveelution.
An eeveelution can sell any crazy new type. This is not something that's easy to do otherwise.
(...Ok maybe, it wouldn't work well for a Rubber type tbh🤣but I don't expect that to ever be added anyway)