I think the tactile variation of the Mary argument reduces to geometry. Mary can use geometry to figure out what it feels like to touch a triangle vs. a square because those experiences are defined by the geometry of the objects. Visual experience does not reduce to geometry, however.
I think it does. In either case, you are detecting the shape in some way whether visually or with tactile sensation. But both of those senses are just a fraction of the entire network.
I had the same intuition about the geometry thing. You can use your senses of touch and proprioception to roughly measure angles and count sides. You can quantify those percepts and map them to knowledge in a way that you can't do with color. When you see a color you aren't consciously measuring the wavelength. It just is red. So with the color example, I think it comes down to whether or not Mary can predict the perceptual experience of a certain color armed "only" with ultimate knowledge of the physical facts of color vision perception. Which then just reduces to the hard problem of consciousness; can you from a set of physical facts predict a conscious state?
@@HyzersGR Perceiving color does not involve a conscious awareness of that fact. You can see two sticks and be explicitly aware of which one is shorter. You do not do that with color. You do not know intellectually which one has a shorter wavelength without scientific instrumentation.
I like his idea about an intuition pump. I think the word determined is one of those. It leads people down the craziest paths, but without this word to prime that pump, it would never happen.
Dennet, a good natured and smart fool, defeats his own polemic. Either consciousness is identical with “intelligence”, i.e., problem solving, such as of finding a response to a conversational input in Chinese, or consciousness is an ineffable “extra”. Dennett argues himself into a corner. He thinks he is contradicting Searle. Searle’s whole point is that solving a problem is not the same as consciousness- that comprehension of “meaning”, a qualia, escapes computation. That there is the mechanical and ideal manipulation of data and logic to solve defined (and emergent) problems. And then there is awareness. That these two are FUNDAMENTALLY disparate. Dennett implicitly invokes a deux ex machina - he has no clue WHAT about the “whole system” creates consciousness. He just invokes such an emergence. That is an effin intuition! The dude is too arrogant to credit that… that EVERYONE engaging with the problem of consciousness is saying that consciousness is not explicable in material-ideal terms. That it is an entity of a third kind. Saying that, “the whole is somehow doing it” is identical to saying that there is a “we don’t know what” that creates the consciousness. We know matter and we know ideas (logic and numbers, etc.). The “we don’t know what” is not material, nor is it ideal. THEREFORE it is a new physical category. That which is solving the problem of Chinese conversation- the instructions (logic and numbers, or “ideas”) and the computer hardware (matter, energy)- is not possessed of consciousness. It is this idea-machine combo that Searle is replacing. That is Searle’s point. Dennett, in invoking a ghostly gestalt, is just trying to fool us. Or himself.
You're wasting your time posting your absolutely revolutionary and game-changing concepts on youtube! Write a book and become famous and envied philosopher. Like Dennet. Oh wait...
@@hershchat You nailed it. And I’m in awe at the irony provided so reliably by the self-refuting materialists. And they would have us believe an array of switches (a computer) can be conscious! This coming from people that consider themselves soulless apes!
Two questions for materialists: 1) Are imperfect philosophical zombies possible? 2) If they are possible what is the evolutionary advantage of subjective experience?
I'm not a materialist. I'm trying to answer and ponder your second question. The advantage of subjective experience would be to be aware of one's surroundings in order to see your mating partner and to source food. It just happens to be that subjective experience went out of the animal kingdom with us humans most likely just due to an accident orrrr our awarenesses thought to do that. We don't use our subjective experience as our spear-throwing hunter and gather ancestors did, rather do the things we do now like invent things, general things, go to the moon, etc. I think that part was just a fluke and the main purpose of the subjective experience was simply to be aware of our surroundings to get food, mate, and detect animals that would want to have us for lunch. I think, then, that suggests that evolution isn't a blind force. Because if it were a blind force it wouldn't intelligently make it so we are aware of things.
*"1) Are imperfect philosophical zombies possible?"* ... They are possible because they are "conceivable." Even if the odds for something's existence are remotely small, if it is *conceivable,* then the odds for its existence cannot be set to zero. *"what is the evolutionary advantage of subjective experience?"* ... Subjective experience ranks higher than knowledge. Humans exist to provide "Existence" with the information we gain from our subjective experiences.
@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC I don’t think you’re full grasping the important aspects of Dennett’s criticism of conceivability arguments. Honestly, when you conceive of an imperfect zombie, how would you know, precisely, that you’ve conceived of that and not something else? I guess you could appeal to concepts rather than conceived entities as a means of avoiding this objection. You could claim, that is, that if a concept is constructible, then the things the concept entails exist would be at least (de re) possible.
I see all questions, no answers from DD. He tells us what three different thought experiments are (and two of them are taught in undergrad psychology and philosophy survey classes) but he doesn't actually extract very much meaning from them. I don't know anything I wouldn't have learned from managing to stay awake in class.
Consciousness is so baffling because we are trying to explain it in terms (materialism) that do not apply. Consider each of Dennett's intuition-pump examples. 1) Another word for zombi is simulation. Simulations can never be conscious because they function not by associations (meaning) but by machine-like mechanisms; 2) When Mary the colour scientist first experiences colour, she learns something new. Why? Because experiences wire the neuroplastic brain (refer Norman Doidge). Semiotic theory relates. Associations of experiences are required to give meaning to colour. Mary's very first encounter with the red rose establishes an association that causes an emotional response that wires her brain - "AHA! I was right! That IS what I theorized!... but... it's so BEAUTIFUL" Despite her theorizing being right, the EXPERIENCE of colour is a new emotional response (association) that wires her brain to reaffirm her theory, and this experience has expanded her intuitions. Her realization of the beauty of the red rose is something that she could not have factored in. Her solid theoretical understanding remains incomplete until she experiences colour; 3) Chinese room. Same as 1 & 2, above. Languages (Chinese) depend on the meanings that conjoin with experiences. Simulations can APPEAR to be conscious, but can never BE conscious because consciousness requires associations to be made across experiences. Experiences are semiotic and emotional (meaning). To laugh at a joke in Chinese is to laugh at a meaning. All life functions by attributing meaning to experiences. Even the lowly neuron attributes meaning to experiences (eg., refer Eric Kandel's work on association in Aplysia). Simulations never attribute meaning because they are machines. Perhaps this outline responds to the onus of proof that Dennett is demanding of the authors of these three thought experiments. Key concepts: 1) Charles Sanders Peirce (semiotic); 2) Mind-body problem: Languages, colours, inferences are contingent on the body that interfaces with the experiences that wire the neuroplastic brain.
꧁Consciousness꧂ DMT and 5-MeO-DMT are two of the Molecules that comprise a human’s Consciousness. All True Psychedelics are the Molecular Structures of Pure Consciousness. The human body synthesizes it’s own Consciousness (the DMT & 5-MeO-DMT found in humans). The human body then metabolizes the Consciousness that it is producing. The amount of the endogenous Consciousness that the human body is able to metabolize depends on many factors. The less pollutants, poison & other contaminants present in the body will result in the ability to metabolize more of the Consciousness that body is producing. Likewise, the more pollution, contaminants and poison a body has inside of it the less Consciousness it is able to metabolize. Here is a list of some of the most common poisons that humans ingest regularly which interferes with a human body metabolizing the Consciousness that it produces, as well as any Consciousness that is ingested from external sources: alcohol, nicotine, sugar, caffeine, amphetamines, dissociatives, tranquilizers, flouride, and a plethora of other drugs are just some of the substances that interfere with humans metabolizing their own Consciousness. “Even the priests who regularly come near to the Lord must purify themselves”. (Exodus 19:22) The following substances are NOT Psychedelics: mdma ketamine salvia kratom dipt pcp datura/jimson weed dxm There are others . . . . . . . Any True Psychedelic will proclaim the Truth about this if you ask Them. The following substances are True Psychedelics - They are Alive, Omnicient Living Beings of Light: DMT 5-MeO-DMT LSD Mescaline Ibogaine Psilocin Psilocybin THC DPT DET Muscimol There are others . . . . So if a human can achieve 100% purity within their bodies, with zero contaminants or pollution (an unattainable state in these current bodies) and managed to metabolize 100% of the endogenous Psychedelics that their physical body is producing (DMT & 5-MeO-DMT), that would be the limit to how Conscious that human can be. In order for a human to become more Conscious than this, they must put more Consciousness into their physical bodies. You must put more Molecules of Consciousness inside of your physical body in order to attain a Higher level of Consciousness. When you ingest Psychedelics you see Them that you just ingested, not some doorway or window or a “portal” to somewhere else or some entity somewhere else. When you ingest LSD, the Light that you see is the LSD Themselves, very Beautiful Living Beings of Light. When you ingest DMT, the Entity you see and hear is the Living Light Beings DMT Themselves. The same is true for All True Psychedelics. There is this part from Scripture: “They are the Eternal among things that pass away. Pure Consciousness, of Conscious Beings. The ONE who fulfills the prayers of many. Only the wise who see Them in their Souls attain the Peace Eternal” (Katha Upanishad) The Physical Body of Consciousness is The Flesh of God. The Flesh of God is the True Communion Entity (the Eucharist). The Flesh of God (the Psychedelic) is the Fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and evil. Our Bodies truly are the Temple of God because God the Psychedelic Lives within it. As Saint Paul says: “We are only the earthenware jars that hold this treasure, to make it clear that such an overwhelming power comes from God and not from us”. (2 Corinthians 4:7) This part explains why the human body is the Temple of God - because God Lives inside of the body. So whether or not a person is ingesting Psychedelics, every single human’s body is God’s Temple because DMT & 5-MeO-DMT Live within it. Anything you do to hurt or harm your body you do to harm God’s Temple. This understanding is a good Foundation, a good step towards a person Knowing God and being able to stay with Them both in this Lifetime & afterwards. “O just Creator, though the world has not known you, But I have known you And these have known that You have sent me; So have I declared, so will I declare Your Name to them, That the Love with which you have loved me May be in them and I in them”. (Saint John 17:25) th-cam.com/video/eHt4bsvMilc/w-d-xo.html GodsNarrowGate@gmail.com 🙏🏽
If you are going to post assertions like that then maybe you should define 'consciousness' because it appears to me that you don't have the first clue about what it is. Until you define consciousness, how can you possibly make assertions about what can and can't be conscious? BTW. 'zombie' is _not_ a synonym for 'simulation'.
Dennett has a wonderful way of expanding my consciousness, hahaha... so I'm glad he qualifies this "cognitive tic" that enables us to imagine zombie philosophers as something worthy of serious consideration. This way I can find it provisionally thought provoking.
꧁Consciousness꧂ DMT and 5-MeO-DMT are two of the Molecules that comprise a human’s Consciousness. All True Psychedelics are the Molecular Structures of Pure Consciousness. The human body synthesizes it’s own Consciousness (the DMT & 5-MeO-DMT found in humans). The human body then metabolizes the Consciousness that it is producing. The amount of the endogenous Consciousness that the human body is able to metabolize depends on many factors. The less pollutants, poison & other contaminants present in the body will result in the ability to metabolize more of the Consciousness that body is producing. Likewise, the more pollution, contaminants and poison a body has inside of it the less Consciousness it is able to metabolize. Here is a list of some of the most common poisons that humans ingest regularly which interferes with a human body metabolizing the Consciousness that it produces, as well as any Consciousness that is ingested from external sources: alcohol, nicotine, sugar, caffeine, amphetamines, dissociatives, tranquilizers, flouride, and a plethora of other drugs are just some of the substances that interfere with humans metabolizing their own Consciousness. “Even the priests who regularly come near to the Lord must purify themselves”. (Exodus 19:22) The following substances are NOT Psychedelics: mdma ketamine salvia kratom dipt pcp datura/jimson weed dxm There are others . . . . . . . Any True Psychedelic will proclaim the Truth about this if you ask Them. The following substances are True Psychedelics - They are Alive, Omnicient Living Beings of Light: DMT 5-MeO-DMT LSD Mescaline Ibogaine Psilocin Psilocybin THC DPT DET Muscimol There are others . . . . So if a human can achieve 100% purity within their bodies, with zero contaminants or pollution (an unattainable state in these current bodies) and managed to metabolize 100% of the endogenous Psychedelics that their physical body is producing (DMT & 5-MeO-DMT), that would be the limit to how Conscious that human can be. In order for a human to become more Conscious than this, they must put more Consciousness into their physical bodies. You must put more Molecules of Consciousness inside of your physical body in order to attain a Higher level of Consciousness. When you ingest Psychedelics you see Them that you just ingested, not some doorway or window or a “portal” to somewhere else or some entity somewhere else. When you ingest LSD, the Light that you see is the LSD Themselves, very Beautiful Living Beings of Light. When you ingest DMT, the Entity you see and hear is the Living Light Beings DMT Themselves. The same is true for All True Psychedelics. There is this part from Scripture: “They are the Eternal among things that pass away. Pure Consciousness, of Conscious Beings. The ONE who fulfills the prayers of many. Only the wise who see Them in their Souls attain the Peace Eternal” (Katha Upanishad) The Physical Body of Consciousness is The Flesh of God. The Flesh of God is the True Communion Entity (the Eucharist). The Flesh of God (the Psychedelic) is the Fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and evil. Our Bodies truly are the Temple of God because God the Psychedelic Lives within it. As Saint Paul says: “We are only the earthenware jars that hold this treasure, to make it clear that such an overwhelming power comes from God and not from us”. (2 Corinthians 4:7) This part explains why the human body is the Temple of God - because God Lives inside of the body. So whether or not a person is ingesting Psychedelics, every single human’s body is God’s Temple because DMT & 5-MeO-DMT Live within it. Anything you do to hurt or harm your body you do to harm God’s Temple. This understanding is a good Foundation, a good step towards a person Knowing God and being able to stay with Them both in this Lifetime & afterwards. “O just Creator, though the world has not known you, But I have known you And these have known that You have sent me; So have I declared, so will I declare Your Name to them, That the Love with which you have loved me May be in them and I in them”. (Saint John 17:25) th-cam.com/video/eHt4bsvMilc/w-d-xo.html GodsNarrowGate@gmail.com 🙏🏽
Nobody knows what subjective experience is objectively. Nobody knows what a subject is objectively. Nobody has the slightest clue how cells give rise to the phenomena of subjective experience. But if you are a human "subject" that experiences within a human culture life can be very easy.
I think Dennett is right that we should take materialism seriously but I will never understand how qualia are to be understood as illusions. Isn't that almost the only thing we can be certain about? That something feels like something?
Dennett the top philosopher living today imo. But also, sometimes I wonder if I'm the only one who doesn't find consciousness baffling? Once you allow for sensations and perceptions, _why not?_
@@APaleDot All I mean is you have the transformation of light waves, sound waves, molecules, vibrations etc by means of various sensory apparatuses into various perceptions in the brain -- that would make no sense at all and be totally useless, of course, if we were were not able to be conscious of them. It's how we know what's in the environment around us -- and it helps us function and survive in that environment. What I mean by the television or radio example is that they also transfer one thing into something seemingly totally different -- like radio waves being transformed into sound, words, music... Yes, it's wonderful and amazing -- but baffling?
@@longcastle4863 Well, the transformation of radio waves into sound waves is an entirely physical process. But consciousness exists outside the chain of physical causation. My experience of the world cannot cause anything to happen. It seems entirely superfluous. Furthermore, it is full of qualities which science says don't physically exist. According to science, the physical world has no qualities, only quantities.
Our minds are invisible but that is what processes information to form visible images, words, etc. while the Servant of Creation makes you a living being in these fake visible worlds.
In response to what Daniel Dennett was talking about in regard to an argument against strong AI (and I happen to agree with him), I recently encountered a discussion between two AI's - one of them a mid-level and the other one the best known AI in the world. For a considerable part of the video (up until something like 2/3 to 3/4 of the way through (I think it was around a ~25 minute conversation), it was obvious the mid-level AI was nowhere nearly as sophisticated as the other AI and the other AI could be considered to be doing an excellent job of simulating consciousness - but then at that point BOTH AIs got locked into a conversation loop during which they were both repeating something like response 1 (R1) - counterresponse 1 (C1) - R2 - C2 - R3 - C3 - R1 - C1 - R2 - C2 - R3 - C3 - R1 - C1 -... in a looping pattern, thus exposing the fact that even the best AI in the world has zero consciousness. A conscious process like that would have stopped, and said something like, "Wait a minute, why are you just saying the same thing over and over and over again?" which would have immediately broken the loop (both for itself, and for the mid-level AI). The problem with strong AI isn't that anyone has demonstrated some inherent impossibility in it ever being created, but merely that it hasn't been created yet, and that's all because of our own CURRENT limitations in understanding how to produce the hardware and software in creating it. A strong AI must be capable of rewriting it's own software (i.e., "molding its own thoughts" in order to improve it's "understanding" of what is occurring in response to external events (i.e., in interacting with the world outside of it). As far as I know, the kinds of software that is even capable of something like this - self-directed software changes in response to try to better adapt its responses to external events - is extremely limited (so we're in the very early stages in this regard), and that's what makes strong AI possible. Of course, when something like that actually exists, then we should expect it to far surpass human consciousness/intelligence, because in being able to constantly and infinitely adapt itself far faster than humans can, it will outpace us very quickly.
People tend to confuse existential and intrapersonal intelligence with consciousness… it as with all intelligence is a gradient from genius to imbecile.
꧁Consciousness꧂ DMT and 5-MeO-DMT are two of the Molecules that comprise a human’s Consciousness. All True Psychedelics are the Molecular Structures of Pure Consciousness. The human body synthesizes it’s own Consciousness (the DMT & 5-MeO-DMT found in humans). The human body then metabolizes the Consciousness that it is producing. The amount of the endogenous Consciousness that the human body is able to metabolize depends on many factors. The less pollutants, poison & other contaminants present in the body will result in the ability to metabolize more of the Consciousness that body is producing. Likewise, the more pollution, contaminants and poison a body has inside of it the less Consciousness it is able to metabolize. Here is a list of some of the most common poisons that humans ingest regularly which interferes with a human body metabolizing the Consciousness that it produces, as well as any Consciousness that is ingested from external sources: alcohol, nicotine, sugar, caffeine, amphetamines, dissociatives, tranquilizers, flouride, and a plethora of other drugs are just some of the substances that interfere with humans metabolizing their own Consciousness. “Even the priests who regularly come near to the Lord must purify themselves”. (Exodus 19:22) The following substances are NOT Psychedelics: mdma ketamine salvia kratom dipt pcp datura/jimson weed dxm There are others . . . . . . . Any True Psychedelic will proclaim the Truth about this if you ask Them. The following substances are True Psychedelics - They are Alive, Omnicient Living Beings of Light: DMT 5-MeO-DMT LSD Mescaline Ibogaine Psilocin Psilocybin THC DPT DET Muscimol There are others . . . . So if a human can achieve 100% purity within their bodies, with zero contaminants or pollution (an unattainable state in these current bodies) and managed to metabolize 100% of the endogenous Psychedelics that their physical body is producing (DMT & 5-MeO-DMT), that would be the limit to how Conscious that human can be. In order for a human to become more Conscious than this, they must put more Consciousness into their physical bodies. You must put more Molecules of Consciousness inside of your physical body in order to attain a Higher level of Consciousness. When you ingest Psychedelics you see Them that you just ingested, not some doorway or window or a “portal” to somewhere else or some entity somewhere else. When you ingest LSD, the Light that you see is the LSD Themselves, very Beautiful Living Beings of Light. When you ingest DMT, the Entity you see and hear is the Living Light Beings DMT Themselves. The same is true for All True Psychedelics. There is this part from Scripture: “They are the Eternal among things that pass away. Pure Consciousness, of Conscious Beings. The ONE who fulfills the prayers of many. Only the wise who see Them in their Souls attain the Peace Eternal” (Katha Upanishad) The Physical Body of Consciousness is The Flesh of God. The Flesh of God is the True Communion Entity (the Eucharist). The Flesh of God (the Psychedelic) is the Fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and evil. Our Bodies truly are the Temple of God because God the Psychedelic Lives within it. As Saint Paul says: “We are only the earthenware jars that hold this treasure, to make it clear that such an overwhelming power comes from God and not from us”. (2 Corinthians 4:7) This part explains why the human body is the Temple of God - because God Lives inside of the body. So whether or not a person is ingesting Psychedelics, every single human’s body is God’s Temple because DMT & 5-MeO-DMT Live within it. Anything you do to hurt or harm your body you do to harm God’s Temple. This understanding is a good Foundation, a good step towards a person Knowing God and being able to stay with Them both in this Lifetime & afterwards. “O just Creator, though the world has not known you, But I have known you And these have known that You have sent me; So have I declared, so will I declare Your Name to them, That the Love with which you have loved me May be in them and I in them”. (Saint John 17:25) th-cam.com/video/eHt4bsvMilc/w-d-xo.html GodsNarrowGate@gmail.com 🙏🏽
I disagree with Dennett on this one- I think there's a better, easier to understand way to prove their theory is incorrect- ask Mary to write down what she learned. She can't - which is why she couldn't learn it in her black and white world- it can't be put into words. We lack the vocabulary to accurately describe in some objective sense what it's like to see a color, or hear a sound, or smell a smell- in other words, we lack the ability to convey with words what subjective experience is like. That's not a failure to describe reality- that's' a failure to describe our subjective experience of reality- and it's of zero consequence to objective reality- which is what science seeks to explain. This proves nothing accept- that these ppl confuse actual reality and the lens through which we view it- they try to make them one and the same, when it's very clear they're not.
I’d like to add to this by saying I am red green color blind yet I can still IDENTIFY these colors accurately 90+% of the time (according to what others say) even though I know I am perceiving these colors differently than others. So who is “right”? Me or others who laugh at me for saying something looks brown rather than a certain shade of green or red that I cannot discern like they can?
He says we shouldn’t adjust all of physics, or split the universe in two, based on a hunch. But to think all is one, all is the universe, all is mathematics, is also a hunch. Just because something has a huge history doesn’t mean it is true, it just means people were capable of thinking that way and found it useful. Yes I want explanatory power, not just intuition. Yes I want to grasp consciousness, to make it tangible and formal. I totally respect people getting inspired by consciousness to make tangible and formal systems and models, things that are functionally indistinguishable from consciousness. I’m just not convinced.
dualism = non-dual since both need each other to form a higher level system to have any meaning. But then we can only speak about non-duaulism (the whole) in terms of the component. aka a paradox. Consciousness solved?
It's not possible because the words we use to say the colors are the response. We never any color, the stimuli to the visual cortex of the occipital lobe. What we perceive is a possible response. So if not one has called a possible action Blue Banana then Mary would not know that response. Over time she will call bananas blue. It's extremely counter intuitive. For example if you see a black wall with a red door, the person does not perceive the sensory stimuli. The black is where the person will not walk and the red is where the person will try to open a door. The colors are potential responses. If someone says, "I will give you a thousand dollars if you walk into that wall. The black mean walk here and expect pain.
He's new to me,,,I loved how he answered those 3 " apparent " quandary's. I totally agree,,,why they use those arguments to show the non physical aspect of consciousness is baffling. Surely they're buried now aren't they ? Consciousness is physical. Get used to it.
How did you come to attain the knowledge that consciousness is physical? Try to explain consciousness without presupposing consciousness. You can’t. What physical phenomena gives rise to consciousness?
@@deanodebo how do any organisms attain any knowledge ? Try to explain words without presupposing words ? What physical phenomenon gives rise to brains 🧠 ? Does that help ? 🤔
@@spaceinyourface So no answers. You belief system is composed of questions. You put something on the table and I asked clarifying questions. Your lack of answers to these basic things suggests you’re in over your head. Don’t enter the domain of debate if all you have are claims without arguments.
It wasn't a debate ,,I'm no philosopher,,I'm no physicist,, but I do very regularly follow them & have more audiobooks from them that I do listen to every day , its certainly not over my head.
What is baffling to me, is that there is an existence here at all. As opposed to nothing. So it must be imperative to exist, and that this existence leads to consciousness (here we are!). Only for us as conscious beings after about 14.5 billion years to look back and says "nope, none of that means anything. Consciousness is just a trick..." A trick? A trick on whom? for what? Dennett knocks everything down well enough, but then his explanation of consciousness leaves me wanting.
꧁Consciousness꧂ DMT and 5-MeO-DMT are two of the Molecules that comprise a human’s Consciousness. All True Psychedelics are the Molecular Structures of Pure Consciousness. The human body synthesizes it’s own Consciousness (the DMT & 5-MeO-DMT found in humans). The human body then metabolizes the Consciousness that it is producing. The amount of the endogenous Consciousness that the human body is able to metabolize depends on many factors. The less pollutants, poison & other contaminants present in the body will result in the ability to metabolize more of the Consciousness that body is producing. Likewise, the more pollution, contaminants and poison a body has inside of it the less Consciousness it is able to metabolize. Here is a list of some of the most common poisons that humans ingest regularly which interferes with a human body metabolizing the Consciousness that it produces, as well as any Consciousness that is ingested from external sources: alcohol, nicotine, sugar, caffeine, amphetamines, dissociatives, tranquilizers, flouride, and a plethora of other drugs are just some of the substances that interfere with humans metabolizing their own Consciousness. “Even the priests who regularly come near to the Lord must purify themselves”. (Exodus 19:22) The following substances are NOT Psychedelics: mdma ketamine salvia kratom dipt pcp datura/jimson weed dxm There are others . . . . . . . Any True Psychedelic will proclaim the Truth about this if you ask Them. The following substances are True Psychedelics - They are Alive, Omnicient Living Beings of Light: DMT 5-MeO-DMT LSD Mescaline Ibogaine Psilocin Psilocybin THC DPT DET Muscimol There are others . . . . So if a human can achieve 100% purity within their bodies, with zero contaminants or pollution (an unattainable state in these current bodies) and managed to metabolize 100% of the endogenous Psychedelics that their physical body is producing (DMT & 5-MeO-DMT), that would be the limit to how Conscious that human can be. In order for a human to become more Conscious than this, they must put more Consciousness into their physical bodies. You must put more Molecules of Consciousness inside of your physical body in order to attain a Higher level of Consciousness. When you ingest Psychedelics you see Them that you just ingested, not some doorway or window or a “portal” to somewhere else or some entity somewhere else. When you ingest LSD, the Light that you see is the LSD Themselves, very Beautiful Living Beings of Light. When you ingest DMT, the Entity you see and hear is the Living Light Beings DMT Themselves. The same is true for All True Psychedelics. There is this part from Scripture: “They are the Eternal among things that pass away. Pure Consciousness, of Conscious Beings. The ONE who fulfills the prayers of many. Only the wise who see Them in their Souls attain the Peace Eternal” (Katha Upanishad) The Physical Body of Consciousness is The Flesh of God. The Flesh of God is the True Communion Entity (the Eucharist). The Flesh of God (the Psychedelic) is the Fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and evil. Our Bodies truly are the Temple of God because God the Psychedelic Lives within it. As Saint Paul says: “We are only the earthenware jars that hold this treasure, to make it clear that such an overwhelming power comes from God and not from us”. (2 Corinthians 4:7) This part explains why the human body is the Temple of God - because God Lives inside of the body. So whether or not a person is ingesting Psychedelics, every single human’s body is God’s Temple because DMT & 5-MeO-DMT Live within it. Anything you do to hurt or harm your body you do to harm God’s Temple. This understanding is a good Foundation, a good step towards a person Knowing God and being able to stay with Them both in this Lifetime & afterwards. “O just Creator, though the world has not known you, But I have known you And these have known that You have sent me; So have I declared, so will I declare Your Name to them, That the Love with which you have loved me May be in them and I in them”. (Saint John 17:25) th-cam.com/video/eHt4bsvMilc/w-d-xo.html GodsNarrowGate@gmail.com 🙏🏽
A chair isn't really what we see it is. It has an atomic and sub atomic structure with more emptyness than stuff in it. The fact that we see it as a chair is a "trick" or maybe you can say simplification of our brain and senses, so that we are able to process it with out limited capacity. The same goes for consciousness i think and i think Dennet just means that.
It seems that we have two opposing views by the two leading philosophers of our time. For Dennett, consciousness is a "bunch of tricks"; for Searle, unfathomable mystery at the center of life. I suggest devoting a full session of Closer To Truth to finally let the two debate it!
@@HyzersGR "laid waste"? His counter arguments are so thin it's as though he articulated a thought before he had given it proper consideration. It's non-sense.
"The most striking feature of...mainstream philosophy of mind over the past fifty years...seems obviously false." - John Searle The world is in crisis and our false assumptions of reality have to be implicated, surely.
But it is not the point of the Mery thought experiment. The point of it is that she experienced something that was not possible reading books. She learned how it is to experience colour. That's what that experiment is about. Not about differentiation between colours. Mister Dennett caught a very interesting problem, but did not abolish "Mery experiment". Mery experiment shows, there are subjective experiences that cannot be learned other way. Her hipothethical knowledge of "blue banana" also comes from that source.
2:23 i know that i am Consious for the same reason that decartes knew that he was thingking, and that he was doubting, he was having the experience of doubt! Just as i am having the experience of confidence, and the experience that i am typing this sentence rhigt now on my iPads virtuel keyboard!😂
The most obvious thing is that consciousness is a property of life. These guys don't believe life is an actual thing, so they just ignore the elephant in the room.
@@floriath So what's your point? We don't live in Fundamental Reality. In fact, from our perspective, everything that happens at the fundamental levels enables Ultimate Reality, which is where we live.
10:21 then you have to investigate the idea of free will, or lack thereof, imo we live in a lightly deterministic system where we have free will only over reaction to urges/drives and external stimuli.
There is no free will. There is will, but not free will. It’s an illusion of the ego. If an action was taken without external stimuli, it would be random, not free. Sometimes we act in a way that appears to be random, but we don’t; it’s a dialectic between our given condition and outside stimuli. If randomness was involved, would we be the source of this randomness, or simply reacting to it?
I have problems with the term "illusion" when discussing consciousness. Perhaps that is one way to look at it but it's not very satisfying. For one, and I consider it the most troubling, is an "illusion" cannot exist without an observer. If so, what exactly is being fooled by the illusion? Perhaps he may have had a better term in mind? Illusion simply goes over ground, albeit in a different way, that DesCartes went before, long ago; he imagined we could be victims of a demon's hoax (shades of Plato's cave) and so what could we do to know otherwise? His famous answer, "I think, therefore I am" (I'm being brief here) seems weak on first reading but there is something very profound in the statement. Consciousness as its own first cause. Perhaps it is emergent, something that did not exist before, I do not know, but "illusion" is only a skip and jump to "delusion" and I doubt many who take the subject seriously will consider it an adequate answer. You still have the problem if it is an "illusion", as to why it was necessary? Enjoyable series you've created. Every one is thought-provoking.
While I cannot speak for others and what may be an illusion to their mind with respect to consciousness, I can speak from an apparent non-dual awareness. The primary illusion seems to be precisely the _observer._ The narrative generator would be the part that often, presumably to satisfy the ego, believes itself to be some sort of doer and observer. Yet the words come not only on their own, from unconscious processes, but come _after-the-fact_ of decisions and other happenings. Basically, the brain reacts to situations automatically, in a black-box fashion; and then the story teller comes in like "yeah, _I_ decided that". By default -- that is, in a normal mind -- there appears to be an emotion of ownership, or me-ness, that accompanies the words. Production of thoughts, which happens unconsciously -- hence why stopping the mind can be so difficult -- is illusorily _felt_ as first-person. The main illusion is being the _doer,_ rather than the _done;_ the _observer,_ rather than the _observed._ Another possible illusion may be experiencing thoughts and senses as fundamentally distinct in nature. From a non-dual perspective, thoughts, emotions, and senses -- including pain -- may all present as mere sensations, empty of any real essence or significance. Again, the teleological overlay of the logic system likes to label things as "mine", "real", "not mine"; but when it goes away, the hollow nature of consciousness becomes clearer.
The reason consciousness is so baffling is that we don't understand the principles behind it. You can look at an airplane, fly in one, pilot one, even be a mechanic that can repair every part of one or build one and still not understand why it can fly. So we can examine the structure of the brain down to the last atom, know all of the chemical and electrical activity in it and still not understand why it is conscious. I didn't say intelligent, I said conscious. What is intelligence? I don't know. When I meet someone who is intelligent I might recognize it, or maybe I don't have the intelligence to. Tell me one animal that is not conscious to at least some degree.
Well we can understand why it can fly based on physics which we can independently verify as far as the material world is concerned - but we can't fathom what that plane is experiencing when flying.
It depends, of course, on how you define "conscious". I would say that to be conscious is to think. So it is thoughts that make us conscious. So a human and an insect may be alive in much the same way but only we are actually conscious. This is why I believe materialist evolution will never explain consciousness. How does an evolutionary process produce a thought? Thoughts are real tangible things that have no basis in a physical material. Thoughts can leave our minds and influence other minds and shape the physical world. Our consciousness is a prisoner in our skulls. Consciousness comes from the physical brain and might be derived from a physical material. But Thoughts come from consciousness. So thoughts are one step removed from the physical world. How can evolution produce something that has its basis in something immaterial?
@@hambone4728 the brains of low animals are wired to react instinctively to stimuli. When a spider senses vibration in her Web she instinctively investigates what it caught. It might be a meal. When it feels the much stronger vibrations of human footsteps most will run in fear. Imagine being chased by the Empire state building who wants to squash you. The spider must be. Terrified then.
I don't agree with his arguments at all. From someone who has had Out of Body Experiences and Lucid Dreams (and who used to be a skeptic), I now understand how unique consciousness is, and how important it is to be open minded.
In my experiment, Dennett learns the final physics about being punched in the face- knows everything about it. Is he confident that he will gain nothing from the experience of being punched in the face?
He can't explain the first thing about what subjective experience is. He is only good for throwing away a few bad ideas. Much more style than substance from him. A great talker. Very thin ideas.
@@hecticnarcoleptic3160 I just did. Knowing what you don't know is essential knowledge. Humans know about their own specific subjective existence and experiences. But no human has the slightest clue how cells give rise to the phenomena of subjective experience.
@@hecticnarcoleptic3160 I know what I don't know. He thinks he knows things that he doesn't. He wrote a book called "Consciousness Explained" and he didn't explain one thing objectively about consciousness within it.
*Dennett attacks a straw man.* The philosophers of whom he disapproves are not simply consulting 'intuitions' or having 'hunches' and then saying "therefore consciousness is radically different". They first isolate some facts about consciousness and then point out that these facts cannot be obviously accommodated within any physicalist perspective. Moreover, they give argued reasons in support of this conclusion. Even if such philosophers could still be shown to be wrong, they would be wrong in having made more substantial philosophical mistakes. But how much easier it is just to trump up some charge, then attack that.
My new understandings of what many call 'God' - resulting from some of the extraordinary ongoing after-effects relating to my NDE... Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what some scientists are now referring to as the unified field of consciousnesses. In other words, it’s the essence of all existence and non-existence - the ultimate creative force behind planets, stars, nebulae, people, animals, trees, fish, birds, and all phenomena, manifest or latent. All matter and intelligence are simply waves or ripples manifesting to and from this core source. Consciousness (enlightenment) is itself the actual creator of everything that exists now, ever existed in the past, or will exist in the future - right down to the minutest particles of dust - each being an individual ripple or wave. The big difference between chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo and most other conventional prayers is that instead of depending on a ‘middleman’ to connect us to our state of inner enlightenment, we’re able to do it ourselves. That’s because chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo allows us to tap directly into our enlightened state by way of this self-produced sound vibration. ‘Who or What Is God?’ If we compare the concept of God being a separate entity that is forever watching down on us, to the teachings of Nichiren, it makes more sense to me that the true omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence of what most people perceive to be God, is the fantastic state of enlightenment that exists within each of us. Some say that God is an entity that’s beyond physical matter - I think that the vast amount of information continuously being conveyed via electromagnetic waves in today’s world gives us proof of how an invisible state of God could indeed exist. For example, it’s now widely known that specific data relayed by way of electromagnetic waves has the potential to help bring about extraordinary and powerful effects - including an instant global awareness of something or a mass emotional reaction. It’s also common knowledge that these invisible waves can easily be used to detonate a bomb or to enable NASA to control the movements of a robot as far away as the Moon or Mars - none of which is possible without a receiver to decode the information that’s being transmitted. Without the receiver, the data would remain impotent. In a very similar way, we need to have our own ‘receiver’ switched on so that we can activate a clear and precise understanding of our own life, all other life and what everything else in existence is. Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day helps us to achieve this because it allows us to reach the core of our enlightenment and keep it switched on. That’s because Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what scientists now refer to as the unified field of consciousnesses. To break it down - Myoho represents the Law of manifestation and latency (Nature) and consists of two alternating states. For example, the state of Myo is where everything in life that’s not obvious to us exists - including our stored memories when we’re not thinking about them - our hidden potential and inner emotions whenever they’re dormant - our desires, our fears, our wisdom, happiness, karma - and more importantly, our enlightenment. The other state, ho, is where everything in Life exists whenever it becomes evident to us, such as when a thought pops up from within our memory - whenever we experience or express our emotions - or whenever a good or bad cause manifests as an effect from our karma. When anything becomes apparent, it merely means that it’s come out of the state of Myo (dormancy/latency) and into a state of ho (manifestation). It’s the difference between consciousness and unconsciousness, being awake or asleep, or knowing and not knowing. The second law - Renge - Ren meaning cause and ge meaning effect, governs and controls the functions of Myoho - these two laws of Myoho and Renge, not only function together simultaneously but also underlies all spiritual and physical existence. The final and third part of the tri-combination - Kyo, is the Law that allows Myoho to integrate with Renge - or vice versa. It’s the great, invisible thread of energy that fuses and connects all Life and matter - as well as the past, present and future. It’s also sometimes termed the Universal Law of Communication - perhaps it could even be compared with the string theory that many scientists now suspect exists. Just as the cells in our body, our thoughts, feelings and everything else is continually fluctuating within us - all that exists in the world around us and beyond is also in a constant state of flux - constantly controlled by these three fundamental laws. In fact, more things are going back and forth between the two states of Myo and ho in a single moment than it would ever be possible to calculate or describe. And it doesn’t matter how big or small, famous or trivial anything or anyone may appear to be, everything that’s ever existed in the past, exists now or will exist in the future, exists only because of the workings of the Laws ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ - the basis of the four fundamental forces, and if they didn’t function, neither we nor anything else could go on existing. That’s because all forms of existence, including the seasons, day, night, birth, death and so on, are moving forward in an ongoing flow of continuation - rhythmically reverting back and forth between the two fundamental states of Myo and ho in absolute accordance with Renge - and by way of Kyo. Even stars are dying and being reborn under the workings of what the combination ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ represents. Nam, or Namu - which mean the same thing, are vibrational passwords or keys that allow us to reach deep into our life and fuse with or become one with ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’. On a more personal level, nothing ever happens by chance or coincidence, it’s the causes that we’ve made in our past, or are presently making, that determine how these laws function uniquely in each of our lives - as well as the environment from moment to moment. By facing east, in harmony with the direction that the Earth is spinning, and chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo for a minimum of, let’s say, ten minutes daily to start with, any of us can experience actual proof of its positive effects in our lives - even if it only makes us feel good on the inside, there will be a definite positive effect. That’s because we’re able to pierce through the thickest layers of our karma and activate our inherent Buddha Nature (our enlightened state). By so doing, we’re then able to bring forth the wisdom and good fortune that we need to challenge, overcome and change our adverse circumstances - turn them into positive ones - or manifest and gain even greater fulfilment in our daily lives from our accumulated good karma. This also allows us to bring forth the wisdom that can free us from the ignorance and stupidity that’s preventing us from accepting and being proud of the person that we indeed are - regardless of our race, colour, gender or sexuality. We’re also able to see and understand our circumstances and the environment far more clearly, as well as attract and connect with any needed external beneficial forces and situations. As I’ve already mentioned, everything is subject to the law of Cause and Effect - the ‘actual-proof-strength’ resulting from chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo always depends on our determination, sincerity and dedication. For example, the levels of difference could be compared to making a sound on a piano, creating a melody, producing a great song, and so on. Something else that’s very important to always respect and acknowledge is that the Law (or if you prefer God) is in everyone and everything. NB: There are frightening and disturbing sounds, and there are tranquil and relaxing sounds. It’s the emotional result of any noise or sound that can trigger off a mood or even instantly change one. When chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day, we are producing a sound vibration that’s the password to our true inner-self - this soon becomes apparent when you start reassessing your views on various things - such as your fears and desires etc. The best way to get the desired result when chanting is not to view things conventionally - rather than reaching out to an external source, we need to reach into our own lives and bring our needs and desires to fruition from within - including the good fortune and strength to achieve any help that we may need. Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo also reaches out externally and draws us towards, or draws towards us, what we need to make us happy from our environment. For example, it helps us to be in the right place at the right time - to make better choices and decisions and so forth. We need to think of it as a seed within us that we’re watering and bringing sunshine to for it to grow, blossom and bring forth fruit or flowers. It’s also important to understand that everything we need in life, including the answer to every question and the potential to achieve every dream, already exists within us. My autobiography explaining how I, and others I've told, have used this chant to change our poisons into medicine titled: 'Saved by the Light of the Buddha Within', is now available at Amazon Books for 99cents (the lowest Amazon allowed me to price it) To read more about Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo please read Tina Turner's new book: Happiness Becomes You -- or Google 'Let go, and let God' by Olivia Newton-John.
꧁Consciousness꧂ DMT and 5-MeO-DMT are two of the Molecules that comprise a human’s Consciousness. All True Psychedelics are the Molecular Structures of Pure Consciousness. The human body synthesizes it’s own Consciousness (the DMT & 5-MeO-DMT found in humans). The human body then metabolizes the Consciousness that it is producing. The amount of the endogenous Consciousness that the human body is able to metabolize depends on many factors. The less pollutants, poison & other contaminants present in the body will result in the ability to metabolize more of the Consciousness that body is producing. Likewise, the more pollution, contaminants and poison a body has inside of it the less Consciousness it is able to metabolize. Here is a list of some of the most common poisons that humans ingest regularly which interferes with a human body metabolizing the Consciousness that it produces, as well as any Consciousness that is ingested from external sources: alcohol, nicotine, sugar, caffeine, amphetamines, dissociatives, tranquilizers, flouride, and a plethora of other drugs are just some of the substances that interfere with humans metabolizing their own Consciousness. “Even the priests who regularly come near to the Lord must purify themselves”. (Exodus 19:22) The following substances are NOT Psychedelics: mdma ketamine salvia kratom dipt pcp datura/jimson weed dxm There are others . . . . . . . Any True Psychedelic will proclaim the Truth about this if you ask Them. The following substances are True Psychedelics - They are Alive, Omnicient Living Beings of Light: DMT 5-MeO-DMT LSD Mescaline Ibogaine Psilocin Psilocybin THC DPT DET Muscimol There are others . . . . So if a human can achieve 100% purity within their bodies, with zero contaminants or pollution (an unattainable state in these current bodies) and managed to metabolize 100% of the endogenous Psychedelics that their physical body is producing (DMT & 5-MeO-DMT), that would be the limit to how Conscious that human can be. In order for a human to become more Conscious than this, they must put more Consciousness into their physical bodies. You must put more Molecules of Consciousness inside of your physical body in order to attain a Higher level of Consciousness. When you ingest Psychedelics you see Them that you just ingested, not some doorway or window or a “portal” to somewhere else or some entity somewhere else. When you ingest LSD, the Light that you see is the LSD Themselves, very Beautiful Living Beings of Light. When you ingest DMT, the Entity you see and hear is the Living Light Beings DMT Themselves. The same is true for All True Psychedelics. There is this part from Scripture: “They are the Eternal among things that pass away. Pure Consciousness, of Conscious Beings. The ONE who fulfills the prayers of many. Only the wise who see Them in their Souls attain the Peace Eternal” (Katha Upanishad) The Physical Body of Consciousness is The Flesh of God. The Flesh of God is the True Communion Entity (the Eucharist). The Flesh of God (the Psychedelic) is the Fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and evil. Our Bodies truly are the Temple of God because God the Psychedelic Lives within it. As Saint Paul says: “We are only the earthenware jars that hold this treasure, to make it clear that such an overwhelming power comes from God and not from us”. (2 Corinthians 4:7) This part explains why the human body is the Temple of God - because God Lives inside of the body. So whether or not a person is ingesting Psychedelics, every single human’s body is God’s Temple because DMT & 5-MeO-DMT Live within it. Anything you do to hurt or harm your body you do to harm God’s Temple. This understanding is a good Foundation, a good step towards a person Knowing God and being able to stay with Them both in this Lifetime & afterwards. “O just Creator, though the world has not known you, But I have known you And these have known that You have sent me; So have I declared, so will I declare Your Name to them, That the Love with which you have loved me May be in them and I in them”. (Saint John 17:25) th-cam.com/video/eHt4bsvMilc/w-d-xo.html GodsNarrowGate@gmail.com 🙏🏽
6:51 well, about Mary, supose that she was a famous shape scientist, who just so happend to be blind from birth! And she knew litterally evrything about how the Human eye percives shapes, and how it related to the sense of touching textures, on a Scientific level! Litterally evrything! And then one day, she was given laser eye surgery to give her vision for the first time in her life! But just before they gave her vision, they let her feel- a Cube, and its corners and edges, and a tetrahedon, wich she has felt manny times before in her life, and then gave her vision! And then we showed her the Cube and Said it was the tetrahedon she had just felt, or vice versa! Would marry be able to tell that the reaserchers WERE trying to trick her? Based purely on her knowledge about the Texturs of the objekts, and how humans see color, and its relationship to its textures? Experiments just like this one involving normal pepole who has been blind since birth suggest that no, she would belive that the Cube was a tetrahedon, until she touched it! It May be counter-intuitive for philosophers who belive in pure reason, but as you Said we cant allways trust our intuitions! Normal blind pepole couldent do it, so if marry could, how? The bruden of proof now lies on you!
It depends, of course, on how you define "conscious". I would say that to be conscious is to think. So it is thoughts that make us conscious. So a human and an insect may be alive in much the same way but only we are actually conscious. This is why I believe materialist evolution will never explain consciousness. How does an evolutionary process produce a thought? Thoughts are real tangible things that have no basis in a physical material. Thoughts can leave our minds and influence other minds and shape the phsycial world. Our consciousness is a prisoner in our skulls. Consciousness comes from the physical brain and might be derived from a physical material. But Thoughts come from consciousness. So thoughts are one step removed from the physical world. How can evolution produce something that has its basis in something immaterial?
Your definition of consciousness is correctly termed meta consciousness. To know that you know. A mouse knows his way home but does he know that he knows his way home.? This ability to think introspectively is a ability humans have because we evolved a neo cortex. but that's nothing to do with consciousness itself. To say something is conscious is to say there is something like to be that. You can be conscious but not meta conscious.
How do you know consciousness comes from the physical brain? How could you possibly make that claim with any justification at all? I would say your claim is an unwarranted belief.
@@mrbwatson8081 @Mr B Watson I understand your point but surely you see the problems you are creating. Simply saying "we evolved a neo cortex" as if one would buy one off the shelf and install it is hilarious but it is what atheist do all the time. How random mutation acted on by natural selection could possibly build a brain structure let alone subsequent structures with dedicated functions yet integrated into the whole is brushed aside by a simple "oh we just evolved it". And _poof_ there it is. You are stretching the bounds of believability with that.
This is very funny. Mary wouldn't know what any color correlates to visually until she is confident the information she has is sound and that the first color was labeled correctly. Always fun to listen.
Now Dan resorts to zombies instead of his original philosophy of magic. He should admit he has no clue, rather making futile efforts to attract attention.
All he is saying is logic permits alternative explanations; this being an attempt to defeat the a priori nature of these thought experiments. But he pits his own a priori belief ie in logic - a system of thinking - to suggest these counter hypotheses. It reminds me of people in US when asked if they had proof of a rigged election - they would respond well can you prove the election wasn’t rigged. I also thought it a weak analogy equating someone predicting a triangle over a square to predicting a hitherto unseen colour based on all known facts about colour. Simple maths would enable someone to distinguish a square from a triangle. But to predict a colour without any point of reference - I say the onus is on him to unseat that as a natural conclusion - ie a priori correct. I was expecting a little polite push back but no.
Color is still information just like a shape is. If Mary knew all of that information just like she knew the information for what a triangle is, she would already know red when she saw it. The problem is the thought experiment begs the question, namely that it implies that color lacks some sort of fact-fixing relationship with the world when it’s information like anything else that’s physical.
@@HyzersGR Give me a description of the colour red - bearing in mind colours need reflections off retinas. How do you train a retina to recognise something it hasn’t seen? Also tell it to the blind person that they can know colour as well as those who are not blind. The triangle square example doesn’t even come close to the problems this thought experiment poses.
Consciousness is not baffling at all. Except to philosophers. It's just a state of mind of an intelligence dealing with awareness, perceptions & responsiveness to the surrounds or existence. There are just two existences: Physical(Universe) & Abstract(Mind of an intelligence). Thought is the elemental construct for anything coming from the mind of an intelligence. Consciousness is a type of thought that can be deconstruction into awareness, perceptions & responsiveness to the surrounds or existence. There is nothing remotely baffling about Consciousness.
I do not play video games. I came across the idea of non player characters who are in the background and such but they are not avatars. I think this concept applies to the philosopher's zombie. I have had this concept for quite awhile and of course people like stuff that reinforces their beliefs.
But we cannot say for certain when consciousness evolved. So you could argue there was a time when an early animal of an unconscious species gave birth to an animal of a new species with rudimentary consciousness.
@@jollygreen9377 It makes logical sense to me. Every feature of life evolved from a more rudimentary instance of that feature. Consciousness is a feature of life. So consciousness evolved from a more rudimentary instance of consciousness.
@@johnyharris So the 3 billion bits of specified information on the DNA backbone, “just evolved?” Sounds like an evolution of the gaps argument. Can you name one instance of specified information coming from anything other than a mind?
꧁Consciousness꧂ DMT and 5-MeO-DMT are two of the Molecules that comprise a human’s Consciousness. All True Psychedelics are the Molecular Structures of Pure Consciousness. The human body synthesizes it’s own Consciousness (the DMT & 5-MeO-DMT found in humans). The human body then metabolizes the Consciousness that it is producing. The amount of the endogenous Consciousness that the human body is able to metabolize depends on many factors. The less pollutants, poison & other contaminants present in the body will result in the ability to metabolize more of the Consciousness that body is producing. Likewise, the more pollution, contaminants and poison a body has inside of it the less Consciousness it is able to metabolize. Here is a list of some of the most common poisons that humans ingest regularly which interferes with a human body metabolizing the Consciousness that it produces, as well as any Consciousness that is ingested from external sources: alcohol, nicotine, sugar, caffeine, amphetamines, dissociatives, tranquilizers, flouride, and a plethora of other drugs are just some of the substances that interfere with humans metabolizing their own Consciousness. “Even the priests who regularly come near to the Lord must purify themselves”. (Exodus 19:22) The following substances are NOT Psychedelics: mdma ketamine salvia kratom dipt pcp datura/jimson weed dxm There are others . . . . . . . Any True Psychedelic will proclaim the Truth about this if you ask Them. The following substances are True Psychedelics - They are Alive, Omnicient Living Beings of Light: DMT 5-MeO-DMT LSD Mescaline Ibogaine Psilocin Psilocybin THC DPT DET Muscimol There are others . . . . So if a human can achieve 100% purity within their bodies, with zero contaminants or pollution (an unattainable state in these current bodies) and managed to metabolize 100% of the endogenous Psychedelics that their physical body is producing (DMT & 5-MeO-DMT), that would be the limit to how Conscious that human can be. In order for a human to become more Conscious than this, they must put more Consciousness into their physical bodies. You must put more Molecules of Consciousness inside of your physical body in order to attain a Higher level of Consciousness. When you ingest Psychedelics you see Them that you just ingested, not some doorway or window or a “portal” to somewhere else or some entity somewhere else. When you ingest LSD, the Light that you see is the LSD Themselves, very Beautiful Living Beings of Light. When you ingest DMT, the Entity you see and hear is the Living Light Beings DMT Themselves. The same is true for All True Psychedelics. There is this part from Scripture: “They are the Eternal among things that pass away. Pure Consciousness, of Conscious Beings. The ONE who fulfills the prayers of many. Only the wise who see Them in their Souls attain the Peace Eternal” (Katha Upanishad) The Physical Body of Consciousness is The Flesh of God. The Flesh of God is the True Communion Entity (the Eucharist). The Flesh of God (the Psychedelic) is the Fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and evil. Our Bodies truly are the Temple of God because God the Psychedelic Lives within it. As Saint Paul says: “We are only the earthenware jars that hold this treasure, to make it clear that such an overwhelming power comes from God and not from us”. (2 Corinthians 4:7) This part explains why the human body is the Temple of God - because God Lives inside of the body. So whether or not a person is ingesting Psychedelics, every single human’s body is God’s Temple because DMT & 5-MeO-DMT Live within it. Anything you do to hurt or harm your body you do to harm God’s Temple. This understanding is a good Foundation, a good step towards a person Knowing God and being able to stay with Them both in this Lifetime & afterwards. “O just Creator, though the world has not known you, But I have known you And these have known that You have sent me; So have I declared, so will I declare Your Name to them, That the Love with which you have loved me May be in them and I in them”. (Saint John 17:25) th-cam.com/video/eHt4bsvMilc/w-d-xo.html GodsNarrowGate@gmail.com 🙏🏽
_Cogito ergo sum._ That's not true on the day you are born. Self awareness begins the moment the neural network in the cerebral cortex completes sufficient development.
Maybe consciousness works on another frequency of reality entirely. Then we can assume that we can't measure it in this reality yet. So when we achieve the technology to measure across dimensions we can better define it. I still believe that consciousness is only separated from the body upon death of some sort. The body is a tool it uses as a sensory device to experience this reality.
(4:38) *DD: **_"Why are we so sure, in the case of color, it's different?"_* ... Because merely having _knowledge_ of inanimate structure and its internal characteristics will never match the level of information provided by *sensory perception* via Consciousness. There is a pecking order for levels of knowledge with *subjective experience* ranking much higher than basic *knowledge* and everything else below it. The universe already had nearly 10 billion years of inanimate structure to work with. If inanimate structure was all that was necessary, then sentient life would never have emerged. ... _Existence wanted more!_ The arrival of _Homo sapiens_ brought a whole new dynamic to "Existence!"
@@musicalarchitecture7875 *"says who? the homo sapien? Whose existing is special only to himself. haha"* .. You "HaHa" _Homo sapiens,_ yet you have an intelligence far surpassing the entire physical structure of an 93 billion light years wide "inanimate" universe. Like it or not, you represent the highest level of evolution in 13.8 billion years of the universe. So, go right ahead and laugh! While you are laughing, know that the entire *inanimate universe* is incapable of producing even a single chuckle.
“If animate structure was all that was necessary…” necessary for what? And how exactly do you know that Earth was the first place of life in the universe, for that matter?
@@HyzersGR *"necessary for what?"* ... The production of new information. *"And how exactly do you know that Earth was the first place of life in the universe, for that matter?"* ... Name another.
Hes very close just eventually have to realize things go beyond understanding. If you keep the same inquisitive mind but explore deeper consciousness through lucid dreaming and symbols will learn a lot more, but science wont be able to explain it just like the slit experiment and other details about quantum physics.
Every step of the way people have claimed science won’t be able to explain X. When it does they just kick the can further down the road and declare victory.
@@HyzersGR so should people have talked about quantum physics before it was mainstream? Or how about einstein calling entanglement spooky distance? I'm not saying it wont be figured out down the road. I'm saying that what seems impossible may become natural as we learn more. Then what seems supernatural will turnout to be natural. I'm excited for more discovery. I have had crazy stuff happen in lucid dreams that confirmed its reality in my real life. All I can think of is einstein's theory of relativity. My other question is are thoughts faster than light?
@@jms4406 Quantum physics is a lot less mysterious once you study it. There are still a lot of interpretations of what it all means that are equally viable, but all the probabilities can be calculated very precisely. Physics has no obligation to intuitively make sense to ape brains, but we still can do the math.
We have a good description of consciousness from life to death then again except you are cleaned of any of any prior information you experienced all you could at that moment then you come into existence again
IBM Truenorth is a cognitive neuromorphic processor which simulates brain neurons. It currently simulates a mIllion neurons (tiny by comparison to the brain) but it functions like a programmed synapse. Combine Truenorth with IBM's Eagle, a 127 qubit quantum processor, and you potentially have the basis of a self learning artificial super brain! Quite possibly conscious.
You misunderstand computers. Switches aren’t conscious any more that dominos lined up on a table are conscious. Computers are simply arrays of switches and software simply sets the initial state and sets in motions various switching patterns
@@deanodebo Neurons are not conscious either. It's emergent, you need enough of them. Same as a single carbon atom has no tree properties, but together with other atoms you can build a tree with it.
@@Pyriold What makes you believe that enough neurons suddenly becomes conscious? And do you think enough switches - let’s say a very powerful computer - can be conscious as well? “Emergent” is an abstract concept created by consciousness to describe a category based on arbitrary value judgments. Consciousness cannot “emerge” when the entire concept of emergence is created by consciousness.
@@deanodebo A single transistor can not run a computer program. But we know that a lot of them can. Why should it not be similar for neurons? Especially when we can trace the exact brain activities when thinking already. You can image which parts of the brain are active for every thought process. How does that fit with a consciousness that is somehow distinct from neurons? I am aware that i am probably wasting my time here... your reply was just designed to appear witty while in reality saying nothing at all. There are computer programs that write other computer programs. Consciousness, emerged or not, can of course think about emergence. My brain can imagine another brain. Nothing weird about it.
@@Pyriold “A single transistor can not run a computer program” That’s debatable. But a handful certainly can. So what’s your point? “Why should it not…?” Software simply sets the beginning state of the array of switches, and establishes higher level functions to do the same. There’s no thinking at all. Any “thinking” that a computer does is simply a reflection of the conscious actor behind the software. If you took the time to look at the simplest computers - for example dominos - maybe you’d open your eyes to what’s really going on. I’m coming to you with formal education on these things. There’s nothing “emergent” that will ever come from a computer no matter the complexity. You can see the idea here with a domino computer go to 15 minutes th-cam.com/video/OpLU__bhu2w/w-d-xo.html
I'm weird. I am aware of my consciousness and more. I step outside myself alot. Divine Intervention It's my story and it is true. It is the story of all of us. I am not a zombie..granted sometimes I wish I was brain dead. Fortunately I'm nof.
If consciousness requires any sort of energy expenditure, then what purpose does it serve? A more efficient organism would just respond to its environment in a manner that preserves itself and offspring with no need for awareness.
Didn't humanity ask the same thing about flying? Disease? Space...? 'Why is being able to fly so baffling?' We didn't/don't understand it till we applied all the crazy thoughts about flight into physical application. Even then, it took many failures till we finely achieved flight... Near death experiences, regression experiences are our crazy thoughts and applications. Consciousness is just humanities awareness...till we become aware of experiences after we die (NDE's/Regression...) do we start to ask the question about consciousness. If consciousness was about life...death and that's it. Consciousness would be a one paragraph epitaph on someone's tombstone, The End! Religion, NDE's, Regression, Paranormal are now bringing humanity to ask more questions. Is there consciousness after death, which brings us to what is consciousness and where does consciousness go to after we die? Question: If it wasn't for Religion, NDE's, Regression ...experiences. Would humanity even be asking the questions of consciousness and why? If humanity/everything is made up of energy. Where does all that energy go and when will humanity really learn to fly?
More than once, WE have tried to listen to this conversation. WE see no consciousness in this conversation. Consciousness comes in 3 . It is not a whole. There is also the subconscious and unconsciousness. There are 3 layers. Everything has to come from the unconscious through the sub to consciousness. What you speak of has to do with the working of the mind/brain. Consciousness is ME (outer ego), Subconscious is my SELF ( inner ego), Unconscious is I.D. (inner divine). At least that is what WE call it, lol. It fits. Like an egg, the shell represents the physical reality, then you have the whites, a clear amniotic fluid, which is separated by a thin web like substance between the shell and whites. WE call that the firmament. As you make your way through the whites, you come to the yolk. There is a saying, "Pick up thy yolk." All is symbolic. Funny thing, the description of the egg is also of the human mind/brain. The human brain has a thin web like substance dividing it in to 3 sections. The right (feminine), left (masculine), and cerebellum(trunk of the tree). Everything outside of you relates to you inside. Just as much as consciousness is outside of us, it is also inside. One needs to walk their path. Very symbolic. E.G.O. WE call it Emotional Growth Opportunity. Just walking OUR path. What comes in 3. As one walks their path, they begin as a sleeper, heading into waking, becoming aware. Awareness is so much more.
Why does consciousness have to be baffling? Or awareness as I like to name it as that other word just seems pretentious. It seems to me that evolution simply evolved awareness as to make sure they aren't being eaten alive and to be aware of their surroundings. If they did not have awareness, they'd starve.
So, maybe you’re missing something. My roomba can find dirt “to eat”, but it isn’t aware that it is doing something. A spectrophotometer can tell the difference between blue and yellow colors, but it doesn’t have awareness of blueness and yellowness. A camera with AI can “tell” when you’re smiling, but it doesn’t “know”. Consciousness is not needed to solve problems and survive and reproduce. What is needed for solving problems and surviving and reproducing is intelligence. You can, in theory, have a planet of robots (“philosopher’s zombies”) that can do all that without having awareness. You are aware of your senses and their inputs. You are aware of your body and mind (apart from and in addition to the sense inputs mentioned above) You are aware that you have consciousness (except in deep deep sleep). These three awareness modes are derived from a core and pure “consciousness”. That consciousness is our perceive self. We are not our body in an obvious sort of way. We know that we are aware of our hand in a way that our hand is not aware of us. We know we have a body, but that we are not the body. We have a voice, and a name, and feelings, but we aren’t our name, voice, or feelings. That “I” that knows that I exist is my I’ness. That I’ness isn’t needed to survive. An automatic car can, in theory, be programmed to go get gas when it is running low. Same can be extended to repairs. That doesn’t require awareness. When an autonomous car is driving you from point A to point B, the car is in control and doing all the work, and exercising volition (making choices), but it is not aware. You are aware, but are not exerting volition.
@Artificial cocoon intelligent being dear friend, in this conversation “consciousness” or “awareness” is not knowledge. A thumbdrive can save knowledge on how to plant a garden. This can be fed into a robot, that then plants a garden. Awareness is not knowledge. It is not problem solving, or memory. T is merely the awareness that “I am”.
Awareness is a subjective experience. We are aware of thoughts and sensations. Worst of all is pain. We cannot observe/measure pain, that's why it is a hard problem. Evolution chugged along just fine for billions of years without anything feeling anything. The evolution of pain, which occurred around 500 million years ago when creatures with nervous systems arrived on the scene, didn't solve any problem, it created a problem.
X-Files Metaphysics For the hostile alien vampires (greed) to comprehend earthling human beings (love)...is like giant black holes in space trying to comprehend the stars (light and warmth) that they suck out of heaven (joy, beauty and harmony). The clever coyote (greed) is always trying to catch the roadrunner (love). But never does. Because something that is not real (absence of love) can never catch that which is real (love). That coyote (greed) is a crazy clown... The roadrunner is the state bird of the Land of Enchantment. The land of magic (love).
Defective irrational logic they arguing each other and give each other titles! too They have their own irrational world “it is their paradise” Only human give something valuable without waiting anything in return. The irrationals only good at: irrational meanness, greediness, grudge, hatred, thievery, killing each other, cheating each other, ….. Even, one of the irrationals works on deceiving other irrationals by promising them to take them to other planet to protect them from the unknown! But actually he plans to steal other irrationals money. The planet of the apes is unique of its kind, isn’t it !
Let me take the example of God. God has all the power, all the goodness, all the knowledge 'by default'. He hasn't worked hard for it. It's like a 'free fund'. Similarly, we have consciousness/free will as a 'free fund'. Thoughts come and go in our mind on their own. I myself don't know what thought will come into my mind, say after 5 minutes, 10 minutes etc. It's a 'free fund'.
@@ReverendDr.Thomas reading excerpts of ur comment I think u have fallen for the Advaita vedanta or similar mystic bullshit created by some ancient con man who had less access to knowledge than a 10 year old kid today.
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I like the consciousness of the person in charge of the seating arrangement.
Always love his reasoning
his reasoning is nonsense
I think the tactile variation of the Mary argument reduces to geometry. Mary can use geometry to figure out what it feels like to touch a triangle vs. a square because those experiences are defined by the geometry of the objects. Visual experience does not reduce to geometry, however.
I think it does. In either case, you are detecting the shape in some way whether visually or with tactile sensation. But both of those senses are just a fraction of the entire network.
@@HyzersGR I meant color vision. The experience of seeing redness can't be reduced to geometry.
I had the same intuition about the geometry thing. You can use your senses of touch and proprioception to roughly measure angles and count sides. You can quantify those percepts and map them to knowledge in a way that you can't do with color. When you see a color you aren't consciously measuring the wavelength. It just is red.
So with the color example, I think it comes down to whether or not Mary can predict the perceptual experience of a certain color armed "only" with ultimate knowledge of the physical facts of color vision perception.
Which then just reduces to the hard problem of consciousness; can you from a set of physical facts predict a conscious state?
@@stewbeef8808 the wavelength literally is the color though. It’s the same thing.
@@HyzersGR
Perceiving color does not involve a conscious awareness of that fact. You can see two sticks and be explicitly aware of which one is shorter. You do not do that with color. You do not know intellectually which one has a shorter wavelength without scientific instrumentation.
Damn Dennet still looks pretty good after all these years.
I was just thinking that!
Very engaging guy, which is not always the case with those who have spent their entire lives trying out problems in their head.
Glad to see him looking healthy!
i think this is from an old tape
I like his idea about an intuition pump. I think the word determined is one of those. It leads people down the craziest paths, but without this word to prime that pump, it would never happen.
See what leads down society!! Hummmmmm
Every time Dennett speak he thinks to be so funny that the other is compelled to laugh to not let him down ...
Dennet, a good natured and smart fool, defeats his own polemic. Either consciousness is identical with “intelligence”, i.e., problem solving, such as of finding a response to a conversational input in Chinese, or consciousness is an ineffable “extra”.
Dennett argues himself into a corner. He thinks he is contradicting Searle. Searle’s whole point is that solving a problem is not the same as consciousness- that comprehension of “meaning”, a qualia, escapes computation. That there is the mechanical and ideal manipulation of data and logic to solve defined (and emergent) problems. And then there is awareness. That these two are FUNDAMENTALLY disparate.
Dennett implicitly invokes a deux ex machina - he has no clue WHAT about the “whole system” creates consciousness. He just invokes such an emergence. That is an effin intuition! The dude is too arrogant to credit that… that EVERYONE engaging with the problem of consciousness is saying that consciousness is not explicable in material-ideal terms. That it is an entity of a third kind.
Saying that, “the whole is somehow doing it” is identical to saying that there is a “we don’t know what” that creates the consciousness.
We know matter and we know ideas (logic and numbers, etc.). The “we don’t know what” is not material, nor is it ideal. THEREFORE it is a new physical category.
That which is solving the problem of Chinese conversation- the instructions (logic and numbers, or “ideas”) and the computer hardware (matter, energy)- is not possessed of consciousness. It is this idea-machine combo that Searle is replacing. That is Searle’s point. Dennett, in invoking a ghostly gestalt, is just trying to fool us. Or himself.
You're wasting your time posting your absolutely revolutionary and game-changing concepts on youtube! Write a book and become famous and envied philosopher. Like Dennet. Oh wait...
@@hecticnarcoleptic3160 thank you troll!
@@hershchat
You nailed it. And I’m in awe at the irony provided so reliably by the self-refuting materialists.
And they would have us believe an array of switches (a computer) can be conscious!
This coming from people that consider themselves soulless apes!
Two questions for materialists: 1) Are imperfect philosophical zombies possible? 2) If they are possible what is the evolutionary advantage of subjective experience?
I'm not a materialist. I'm trying to answer and ponder your second question. The advantage of subjective experience would be to be aware of one's surroundings in order to see your mating partner and to source food. It just happens to be that subjective experience went out of the animal kingdom with us humans most likely just due to an accident orrrr our awarenesses thought to do that. We don't use our subjective experience as our spear-throwing hunter and gather ancestors did, rather do the things we do now like invent things, general things, go to the moon, etc. I think that part was just a fluke and the main purpose of the subjective experience was simply to be aware of our surroundings to get food, mate, and detect animals that would want to have us for lunch. I think, then, that suggests that evolution isn't a blind force. Because if it were a blind force it wouldn't intelligently make it so we are aware of things.
*"1) Are imperfect philosophical zombies possible?"*
... They are possible because they are "conceivable." Even if the odds for something's existence are remotely small, if it is *conceivable,* then the odds for its existence cannot be set to zero.
*"what is the evolutionary advantage of subjective experience?"*
... Subjective experience ranks higher than knowledge. Humans exist to provide "Existence" with the information we gain from our subjective experiences.
@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC I don’t think you’re full grasping the important aspects of Dennett’s criticism of conceivability arguments. Honestly, when you conceive of an imperfect zombie, how would you know, precisely, that you’ve conceived of that and not something else? I guess you could appeal to concepts rather than conceived entities as a means of avoiding this objection. You could claim, that is, that if a concept is constructible, then the things the concept entails exist would be at least (de re) possible.
"what is the evolutionary advantage of subjective experience?" Better emotional intelligence that gives you better foresight on other humans' behavior
@@dannyboy8474 how does subjective experience lead to greater emotional intelligence?
His argument against the "Mary the color scientist" thought experiment is so clueless, I don't even know what to say.
I see all questions, no answers from DD. He tells us what three different thought experiments are (and two of them are taught in undergrad psychology and philosophy survey classes) but he doesn't actually extract very much meaning from them. I don't know anything I wouldn't have learned from managing to stay awake in class.
Consciousness is so baffling because we are trying to explain it in terms (materialism) that do not apply. Consider each of Dennett's intuition-pump examples.
1) Another word for zombi is simulation. Simulations can never be conscious because they function not by associations (meaning) but by machine-like mechanisms;
2) When Mary the colour scientist first experiences colour, she learns something new. Why? Because experiences wire the neuroplastic brain (refer Norman Doidge). Semiotic theory relates. Associations of experiences are required to give meaning to colour. Mary's very first encounter with the red rose establishes an association that causes an emotional response that wires her brain - "AHA! I was right! That IS what I theorized!... but... it's so BEAUTIFUL" Despite her theorizing being right, the EXPERIENCE of colour is a new emotional response (association) that wires her brain to reaffirm her theory, and this experience has expanded her intuitions. Her realization of the beauty of the red rose is something that she could not have factored in. Her solid theoretical understanding remains incomplete until she experiences colour;
3) Chinese room. Same as 1 & 2, above. Languages (Chinese) depend on the meanings that conjoin with experiences. Simulations can APPEAR to be conscious, but can never BE conscious because consciousness requires associations to be made across experiences. Experiences are semiotic and emotional (meaning). To laugh at a joke in Chinese is to laugh at a meaning. All life functions by attributing meaning to experiences. Even the lowly neuron attributes meaning to experiences (eg., refer Eric Kandel's work on association in Aplysia). Simulations never attribute meaning because they are machines.
Perhaps this outline responds to the onus of proof that Dennett is demanding of the authors of these three thought experiments.
Key concepts:
1) Charles Sanders Peirce (semiotic);
2) Mind-body problem: Languages, colours, inferences are contingent on the body that interfaces with the experiences that wire the neuroplastic brain.
꧁Consciousness꧂
DMT and 5-MeO-DMT are two of the Molecules that comprise a human’s Consciousness. All True Psychedelics are the Molecular Structures of Pure Consciousness. The human body synthesizes it’s own Consciousness (the DMT & 5-MeO-DMT found in humans). The human body then metabolizes the Consciousness that it is producing. The amount of the endogenous Consciousness that the human body is able to metabolize depends on many factors. The less pollutants, poison & other contaminants present in the body will result in the ability to metabolize more of the Consciousness that body is producing. Likewise, the more pollution, contaminants and poison a body has inside of it the less Consciousness it is able to metabolize.
Here is a list of some of the most common poisons that humans ingest regularly which interferes with a human body metabolizing the Consciousness that it produces, as well as any Consciousness that is ingested from external sources:
alcohol, nicotine, sugar, caffeine, amphetamines, dissociatives, tranquilizers, flouride, and a plethora of other drugs are just some of the substances that interfere with humans metabolizing their own Consciousness.
“Even the priests who regularly come near to the Lord must purify themselves”.
(Exodus 19:22)
The following substances are NOT Psychedelics:
mdma
ketamine
salvia
kratom
dipt
pcp
datura/jimson weed
dxm
There are others . . . . . . .
Any True Psychedelic will proclaim the Truth about this if you ask Them.
The following substances are True Psychedelics - They are Alive, Omnicient Living Beings of Light:
DMT
5-MeO-DMT
LSD
Mescaline
Ibogaine
Psilocin
Psilocybin
THC
DPT
DET
Muscimol
There are others . . . .
So if a human can achieve 100% purity within their bodies, with zero contaminants or pollution (an unattainable state in these current bodies) and managed to metabolize 100% of the endogenous Psychedelics that their physical body is producing (DMT & 5-MeO-DMT), that would be the limit to how Conscious that human can be. In order for a human to become more Conscious than this, they must put more Consciousness into their physical bodies. You must put more Molecules of Consciousness inside of your physical body in order to attain a Higher level of Consciousness. When you ingest Psychedelics you see Them that you just ingested, not some doorway or window or a “portal” to somewhere else or some entity somewhere else. When you ingest LSD, the Light that you see is the LSD Themselves, very Beautiful Living Beings of Light. When you ingest DMT, the Entity you see and hear is the Living Light Beings DMT Themselves. The same is true for All True Psychedelics.
There is this part from Scripture:
“They are the Eternal among things that pass away. Pure Consciousness, of Conscious Beings. The ONE who fulfills the prayers of many. Only the wise who see Them in their Souls attain the Peace Eternal”
(Katha Upanishad)
The Physical Body of Consciousness is The Flesh of God. The Flesh of God is the True Communion Entity (the Eucharist). The Flesh of God (the Psychedelic) is the Fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and evil. Our Bodies truly are the Temple of God because God the Psychedelic Lives within it.
As Saint Paul says:
“We are only the earthenware jars that hold this treasure, to make it clear that such an overwhelming power comes from God and not from us”.
(2 Corinthians 4:7)
This part explains why the human body is the Temple of God - because God Lives inside of the body. So whether or not a person is ingesting Psychedelics, every single human’s body is God’s Temple because DMT & 5-MeO-DMT Live within it. Anything you do to hurt or harm your body you do to harm God’s Temple. This understanding is a good Foundation, a good step towards a person Knowing God and being able to stay with Them both in this Lifetime & afterwards.
“O just Creator, though the world has not known you,
But I have known you
And these have known that You have sent me;
So have I declared, so will I declare
Your Name to them,
That the Love with which you have loved me
May be in them
and I in them”.
(Saint John 17:25)
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If you are going to post assertions like that then maybe you should define 'consciousness' because it appears to me that you don't have the first clue about what it is. Until you define consciousness, how can you possibly make assertions about what can and can't be conscious?
BTW. 'zombie' is _not_ a synonym for 'simulation'.
@@undercoveragent9889 wrong
Dennett has a wonderful way of expanding my consciousness, hahaha... so I'm glad he qualifies this "cognitive tic" that enables us to imagine zombie philosophers as something worthy of serious consideration. This way I can find it provisionally thought provoking.
꧁Consciousness꧂
DMT and 5-MeO-DMT are two of the Molecules that comprise a human’s Consciousness. All True Psychedelics are the Molecular Structures of Pure Consciousness. The human body synthesizes it’s own Consciousness (the DMT & 5-MeO-DMT found in humans). The human body then metabolizes the Consciousness that it is producing. The amount of the endogenous Consciousness that the human body is able to metabolize depends on many factors. The less pollutants, poison & other contaminants present in the body will result in the ability to metabolize more of the Consciousness that body is producing. Likewise, the more pollution, contaminants and poison a body has inside of it the less Consciousness it is able to metabolize.
Here is a list of some of the most common poisons that humans ingest regularly which interferes with a human body metabolizing the Consciousness that it produces, as well as any Consciousness that is ingested from external sources:
alcohol, nicotine, sugar, caffeine, amphetamines, dissociatives, tranquilizers, flouride, and a plethora of other drugs are just some of the substances that interfere with humans metabolizing their own Consciousness.
“Even the priests who regularly come near to the Lord must purify themselves”.
(Exodus 19:22)
The following substances are NOT Psychedelics:
mdma
ketamine
salvia
kratom
dipt
pcp
datura/jimson weed
dxm
There are others . . . . . . .
Any True Psychedelic will proclaim the Truth about this if you ask Them.
The following substances are True Psychedelics - They are Alive, Omnicient Living Beings of Light:
DMT
5-MeO-DMT
LSD
Mescaline
Ibogaine
Psilocin
Psilocybin
THC
DPT
DET
Muscimol
There are others . . . .
So if a human can achieve 100% purity within their bodies, with zero contaminants or pollution (an unattainable state in these current bodies) and managed to metabolize 100% of the endogenous Psychedelics that their physical body is producing (DMT & 5-MeO-DMT), that would be the limit to how Conscious that human can be. In order for a human to become more Conscious than this, they must put more Consciousness into their physical bodies. You must put more Molecules of Consciousness inside of your physical body in order to attain a Higher level of Consciousness. When you ingest Psychedelics you see Them that you just ingested, not some doorway or window or a “portal” to somewhere else or some entity somewhere else. When you ingest LSD, the Light that you see is the LSD Themselves, very Beautiful Living Beings of Light. When you ingest DMT, the Entity you see and hear is the Living Light Beings DMT Themselves. The same is true for All True Psychedelics.
There is this part from Scripture:
“They are the Eternal among things that pass away. Pure Consciousness, of Conscious Beings. The ONE who fulfills the prayers of many. Only the wise who see Them in their Souls attain the Peace Eternal”
(Katha Upanishad)
The Physical Body of Consciousness is The Flesh of God. The Flesh of God is the True Communion Entity (the Eucharist). The Flesh of God (the Psychedelic) is the Fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and evil. Our Bodies truly are the Temple of God because God the Psychedelic Lives within it.
As Saint Paul says:
“We are only the earthenware jars that hold this treasure, to make it clear that such an overwhelming power comes from God and not from us”.
(2 Corinthians 4:7)
This part explains why the human body is the Temple of God - because God Lives inside of the body. So whether or not a person is ingesting Psychedelics, every single human’s body is God’s Temple because DMT & 5-MeO-DMT Live within it. Anything you do to hurt or harm your body you do to harm God’s Temple. This understanding is a good Foundation, a good step towards a person Knowing God and being able to stay with Them both in this Lifetime & afterwards.
“O just Creator, though the world has not known you,
But I have known you
And these have known that You have sent me;
So have I declared, so will I declare
Your Name to them,
That the Love with which you have loved me
May be in them
and I in them”.
(Saint John 17:25)
th-cam.com/video/eHt4bsvMilc/w-d-xo.html
GodsNarrowGate@gmail.com 🙏🏽
Consciousness is not baffling. It is entirely natural and primary. It is our experience in 3+1 spacetime that is truly baffling.
Nobody knows what subjective experience is objectively. Nobody knows what a subject is objectively. Nobody has the slightest clue how cells give rise to the phenomena of subjective experience.
But if you are a human "subject" that experiences within a human culture life can be very easy.
I think Dennett is right that we should take materialism seriously but I will never understand how qualia are to be understood as illusions. Isn't that almost the only thing we can be certain about? That something feels like something?
DD, a "love him or hate him" scholar...
Dennett the top philosopher living today imo. But also, sometimes I wonder if I'm the only one who doesn't find consciousness baffling? Once you allow for sensations and perceptions, _why not?_
Sensations and perceptions are just as baffling.
@@temneyternup5553 Are television sets then baffling as well?
@@longcastle4863
No, but television sets don't have sensations (that we know of)
@@APaleDot All I mean is you have the transformation of light waves, sound waves, molecules, vibrations etc by means of various sensory apparatuses into various perceptions in the brain -- that would make no sense at all and be totally useless, of course, if we were were not able to be conscious of them. It's how we know what's in the environment around us -- and it helps us function and survive in that environment. What I mean by the television or radio example is that they also transfer one thing into something seemingly totally different -- like radio waves being transformed into sound, words, music... Yes, it's wonderful and amazing -- but baffling?
@@longcastle4863
Well, the transformation of radio waves into sound waves is an entirely physical process. But consciousness exists outside the chain of physical causation. My experience of the world cannot cause anything to happen. It seems entirely superfluous.
Furthermore, it is full of qualities which science says don't physically exist. According to science, the physical world has no qualities, only quantities.
So basically you are saying that the system understands, but not it's component parts?
Our minds are invisible but that is what processes information to form visible images, words, etc. while the Servant of Creation makes you a living being in these fake visible worlds.
What do you mean minds are invisible? We'd be able to see our minds if we'd open up our brains.
In response to what Daniel Dennett was talking about in regard to an argument against strong AI (and I happen to agree with him), I recently encountered a discussion between two AI's - one of them a mid-level and the other one the best known AI in the world. For a considerable part of the video (up until something like 2/3 to 3/4 of the way through (I think it was around a ~25 minute conversation), it was obvious the mid-level AI was nowhere nearly as sophisticated as the other AI and the other AI could be considered to be doing an excellent job of simulating consciousness - but then at that point BOTH AIs got locked into a conversation loop during which they were both repeating something like response 1 (R1) - counterresponse 1 (C1) - R2 - C2 - R3 - C3 - R1 - C1 - R2 - C2 - R3 - C3 - R1 - C1 -... in a looping pattern, thus exposing the fact that even the best AI in the world has zero consciousness. A conscious process like that would have stopped, and said something like, "Wait a minute, why are you just saying the same thing over and over and over again?" which would have immediately broken the loop (both for itself, and for the mid-level AI).
The problem with strong AI isn't that anyone has demonstrated some inherent impossibility in it ever being created, but merely that it hasn't been created yet, and that's all because of our own CURRENT limitations in understanding how to produce the hardware and software in creating it. A strong AI must be capable of rewriting it's own software (i.e., "molding its own thoughts" in order to improve it's "understanding" of what is occurring in response to external events (i.e., in interacting with the world outside of it). As far as I know, the kinds of software that is even capable of something like this - self-directed software changes in response to try to better adapt its responses to external events - is extremely limited (so we're in the very early stages in this regard), and that's what makes strong AI possible. Of course, when something like that actually exists, then we should expect it to far surpass human consciousness/intelligence, because in being able to constantly and infinitely adapt itself far faster than humans can, it will outpace us very quickly.
Then "alive" is as mysterious as consciousness.
Exactly. Dennet's whole point is based on semantics.
@@droge192 do you think
Anything we don't understand is baffling.
The special ability to walk on water is baffling.
true
People tend to confuse existential and intrapersonal intelligence with consciousness… it as with all intelligence is a gradient from genius to imbecile.
꧁Consciousness꧂
DMT and 5-MeO-DMT are two of the Molecules that comprise a human’s Consciousness. All True Psychedelics are the Molecular Structures of Pure Consciousness. The human body synthesizes it’s own Consciousness (the DMT & 5-MeO-DMT found in humans). The human body then metabolizes the Consciousness that it is producing. The amount of the endogenous Consciousness that the human body is able to metabolize depends on many factors. The less pollutants, poison & other contaminants present in the body will result in the ability to metabolize more of the Consciousness that body is producing. Likewise, the more pollution, contaminants and poison a body has inside of it the less Consciousness it is able to metabolize.
Here is a list of some of the most common poisons that humans ingest regularly which interferes with a human body metabolizing the Consciousness that it produces, as well as any Consciousness that is ingested from external sources:
alcohol, nicotine, sugar, caffeine, amphetamines, dissociatives, tranquilizers, flouride, and a plethora of other drugs are just some of the substances that interfere with humans metabolizing their own Consciousness.
“Even the priests who regularly come near to the Lord must purify themselves”.
(Exodus 19:22)
The following substances are NOT Psychedelics:
mdma
ketamine
salvia
kratom
dipt
pcp
datura/jimson weed
dxm
There are others . . . . . . .
Any True Psychedelic will proclaim the Truth about this if you ask Them.
The following substances are True Psychedelics - They are Alive, Omnicient Living Beings of Light:
DMT
5-MeO-DMT
LSD
Mescaline
Ibogaine
Psilocin
Psilocybin
THC
DPT
DET
Muscimol
There are others . . . .
So if a human can achieve 100% purity within their bodies, with zero contaminants or pollution (an unattainable state in these current bodies) and managed to metabolize 100% of the endogenous Psychedelics that their physical body is producing (DMT & 5-MeO-DMT), that would be the limit to how Conscious that human can be. In order for a human to become more Conscious than this, they must put more Consciousness into their physical bodies. You must put more Molecules of Consciousness inside of your physical body in order to attain a Higher level of Consciousness. When you ingest Psychedelics you see Them that you just ingested, not some doorway or window or a “portal” to somewhere else or some entity somewhere else. When you ingest LSD, the Light that you see is the LSD Themselves, very Beautiful Living Beings of Light. When you ingest DMT, the Entity you see and hear is the Living Light Beings DMT Themselves. The same is true for All True Psychedelics.
There is this part from Scripture:
“They are the Eternal among things that pass away. Pure Consciousness, of Conscious Beings. The ONE who fulfills the prayers of many. Only the wise who see Them in their Souls attain the Peace Eternal”
(Katha Upanishad)
The Physical Body of Consciousness is The Flesh of God. The Flesh of God is the True Communion Entity (the Eucharist). The Flesh of God (the Psychedelic) is the Fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and evil. Our Bodies truly are the Temple of God because God the Psychedelic Lives within it.
As Saint Paul says:
“We are only the earthenware jars that hold this treasure, to make it clear that such an overwhelming power comes from God and not from us”.
(2 Corinthians 4:7)
This part explains why the human body is the Temple of God - because God Lives inside of the body. So whether or not a person is ingesting Psychedelics, every single human’s body is God’s Temple because DMT & 5-MeO-DMT Live within it. Anything you do to hurt or harm your body you do to harm God’s Temple. This understanding is a good Foundation, a good step towards a person Knowing God and being able to stay with Them both in this Lifetime & afterwards.
“O just Creator, though the world has not known you,
But I have known you
And these have known that You have sent me;
So have I declared, so will I declare
Your Name to them,
That the Love with which you have loved me
May be in them
and I in them”.
(Saint John 17:25)
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I’d like a beer with Dan. He’d be a great laugh 🍺
I disagree with Dennett on this one- I think there's a better, easier to understand way to prove their theory is incorrect- ask Mary to write down what she learned. She can't - which is why she couldn't learn it in her black and white world- it can't be put into words. We lack the vocabulary to accurately describe in some objective sense what it's like to see a color, or hear a sound, or smell a smell- in other words, we lack the ability to convey with words what subjective experience is like. That's not a failure to describe reality- that's' a failure to describe our subjective experience of reality- and it's of zero consequence to objective reality- which is what science seeks to explain. This proves nothing accept- that these ppl confuse actual reality and the lens through which we view it- they try to make them one and the same, when it's very clear they're not.
rubbish
I’d like to add to this by saying I am red green color blind yet I can still IDENTIFY these colors accurately 90+% of the time (according to what others say) even though I know I am perceiving these colors differently than others. So who is “right”? Me or others who laugh at me for saying something looks brown rather than a certain shade of green or red that I cannot discern like they can?
He says we shouldn’t adjust all of physics, or split the universe in two, based on a hunch. But to think all is one, all is the universe, all is mathematics, is also a hunch. Just because something has a huge history doesn’t mean it is true, it just means people were capable of thinking that way and found it useful. Yes I want explanatory power, not just intuition. Yes I want to grasp consciousness, to make it tangible and formal. I totally respect people getting inspired by consciousness to make tangible and formal systems and models, things that are functionally indistinguishable from consciousness. I’m just not convinced.
dualism = non-dual since both need each other to form a higher level system to have any meaning. But then we can only speak about non-duaulism (the whole) in terms of the component.
aka a paradox.
Consciousness solved?
It's not possible because the words we use to say the colors are the response. We never any color, the stimuli to the visual cortex of the occipital lobe. What we perceive is a possible response. So if not one has called a possible action Blue Banana then Mary would not know that response. Over time she will call bananas blue. It's extremely counter intuitive. For example if you see a black wall with a red door, the person does not perceive the sensory stimuli. The black is where the person will not walk and the red is where the person will try to open a door. The colors are potential responses. If someone says, "I will give you a thousand dollars if you walk into that wall. The black mean walk here and expect pain.
Great interview
He's new to me,,,I loved how he answered those 3 " apparent " quandary's. I totally agree,,,why they use those arguments to show the non physical aspect of consciousness is baffling. Surely they're buried now aren't they ? Consciousness is physical. Get used to it.
How did you come to attain the knowledge that consciousness is physical?
Try to explain consciousness without presupposing consciousness. You can’t.
What physical phenomena gives rise to consciousness?
@@deanodebo how do any organisms attain any knowledge ?
Try to explain words without presupposing words ?
What physical phenomenon gives rise to brains 🧠 ?
Does that help ? 🤔
@@spaceinyourface
So no answers. You belief system is composed of questions.
You put something on the table and I asked clarifying questions. Your lack of answers to these basic things suggests you’re in over your head.
Don’t enter the domain of debate if all you have are claims without arguments.
@@deanodebo Those questions I posed were the answers to your questions.
It wasn't a debate ,,I'm no philosopher,,I'm no physicist,, but I do very regularly follow them & have more audiobooks from them that I do listen to every day , its certainly not over my head.
What is baffling to me, is that there is an existence here at all. As opposed to nothing. So it must be imperative to exist, and that this existence leads to consciousness (here we are!). Only for us as conscious beings after about 14.5 billion years to look back and says "nope, none of that means anything. Consciousness is just a trick..." A trick? A trick on whom? for what? Dennett knocks everything down well enough, but then his explanation of consciousness leaves me wanting.
꧁Consciousness꧂
DMT and 5-MeO-DMT are two of the Molecules that comprise a human’s Consciousness. All True Psychedelics are the Molecular Structures of Pure Consciousness. The human body synthesizes it’s own Consciousness (the DMT & 5-MeO-DMT found in humans). The human body then metabolizes the Consciousness that it is producing. The amount of the endogenous Consciousness that the human body is able to metabolize depends on many factors. The less pollutants, poison & other contaminants present in the body will result in the ability to metabolize more of the Consciousness that body is producing. Likewise, the more pollution, contaminants and poison a body has inside of it the less Consciousness it is able to metabolize.
Here is a list of some of the most common poisons that humans ingest regularly which interferes with a human body metabolizing the Consciousness that it produces, as well as any Consciousness that is ingested from external sources:
alcohol, nicotine, sugar, caffeine, amphetamines, dissociatives, tranquilizers, flouride, and a plethora of other drugs are just some of the substances that interfere with humans metabolizing their own Consciousness.
“Even the priests who regularly come near to the Lord must purify themselves”.
(Exodus 19:22)
The following substances are NOT Psychedelics:
mdma
ketamine
salvia
kratom
dipt
pcp
datura/jimson weed
dxm
There are others . . . . . . .
Any True Psychedelic will proclaim the Truth about this if you ask Them.
The following substances are True Psychedelics - They are Alive, Omnicient Living Beings of Light:
DMT
5-MeO-DMT
LSD
Mescaline
Ibogaine
Psilocin
Psilocybin
THC
DPT
DET
Muscimol
There are others . . . .
So if a human can achieve 100% purity within their bodies, with zero contaminants or pollution (an unattainable state in these current bodies) and managed to metabolize 100% of the endogenous Psychedelics that their physical body is producing (DMT & 5-MeO-DMT), that would be the limit to how Conscious that human can be. In order for a human to become more Conscious than this, they must put more Consciousness into their physical bodies. You must put more Molecules of Consciousness inside of your physical body in order to attain a Higher level of Consciousness. When you ingest Psychedelics you see Them that you just ingested, not some doorway or window or a “portal” to somewhere else or some entity somewhere else. When you ingest LSD, the Light that you see is the LSD Themselves, very Beautiful Living Beings of Light. When you ingest DMT, the Entity you see and hear is the Living Light Beings DMT Themselves. The same is true for All True Psychedelics.
There is this part from Scripture:
“They are the Eternal among things that pass away. Pure Consciousness, of Conscious Beings. The ONE who fulfills the prayers of many. Only the wise who see Them in their Souls attain the Peace Eternal”
(Katha Upanishad)
The Physical Body of Consciousness is The Flesh of God. The Flesh of God is the True Communion Entity (the Eucharist). The Flesh of God (the Psychedelic) is the Fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and evil. Our Bodies truly are the Temple of God because God the Psychedelic Lives within it.
As Saint Paul says:
“We are only the earthenware jars that hold this treasure, to make it clear that such an overwhelming power comes from God and not from us”.
(2 Corinthians 4:7)
This part explains why the human body is the Temple of God - because God Lives inside of the body. So whether or not a person is ingesting Psychedelics, every single human’s body is God’s Temple because DMT & 5-MeO-DMT Live within it. Anything you do to hurt or harm your body you do to harm God’s Temple. This understanding is a good Foundation, a good step towards a person Knowing God and being able to stay with Them both in this Lifetime & afterwards.
“O just Creator, though the world has not known you,
But I have known you
And these have known that You have sent me;
So have I declared, so will I declare
Your Name to them,
That the Love with which you have loved me
May be in them
and I in them”.
(Saint John 17:25)
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GodsNarrowGate@gmail.com 🙏🏽
A chair isn't really what we see it is. It has an atomic and sub atomic structure with more emptyness than stuff in it. The fact that we see it as a chair is a "trick" or maybe you can say simplification of our brain and senses, so that we are able to process it with out limited capacity. The same goes for consciousness i think and i think Dennet just means that.
It seems that we have two opposing views by the two leading philosophers of our time. For Dennett, consciousness is a "bunch of tricks"; for Searle, unfathomable mystery at the center of life. I suggest devoting a full session of Closer To Truth to finally let the two debate it!
Mate, read contemporary philosophy of mind. Doing so will reveal such debates involving more than just these two philosophical icons.
Two leading philosophers of our time? Seriously...?
@@fabiocaetanofigueiredo1353 meaning
Did Dennett say anything in this interview that adds to the body of knowledge of the human race?
Besides laying waste to two of the favorite and most famous thought experiments of non-materialists?
@@HyzersGR how does matter laying abstract “waste” to abstract concepts conceived by matter make any sense as a materialist?
Thanks for the irony!!!
@@HyzersGR "laid waste"? His counter arguments are so thin it's as though he articulated a thought before he had given it proper consideration. It's non-sense.
"The most striking feature of...mainstream philosophy of mind over the past fifty years...seems obviously false." - John Searle
The world is in crisis and our false assumptions of reality have to be implicated, surely.
They have pretended to rid subjective experience of the subject. A bunch of nonsense.
@@jackarmstrong5645 I agree. To dispose of subjective experience is to submit to totalitarianism. This is the essence of modern Marxism.
But it is not the point of the Mery thought experiment. The point of it is that she experienced something that was not possible reading books. She learned how it is to experience colour. That's what that experiment is about. Not about differentiation between colours. Mister Dennett caught a very interesting problem, but did not abolish "Mery experiment". Mery experiment shows, there are subjective experiences that cannot be learned other way. Her hipothethical knowledge of "blue banana" also comes from that source.
2:23 i know that i am Consious for the same reason that decartes knew that he was thingking, and that he was doubting, he was having the experience of doubt! Just as i am having the experience of confidence, and the experience that i am typing this sentence rhigt now on my iPads virtuel keyboard!😂
I want more of DD
Consciousness is literally whatever we think it is.
The most obvious thing is that consciousness is a property of life. These guys don't believe life is an actual thing, so they just ignore the elephant in the room.
@@caricue There is nothing fundamental about life or consciousness. Both arose from dead matter.
@@floriath So what's your point? We don't live in Fundamental Reality. In fact, from our perspective, everything that happens at the fundamental levels enables Ultimate Reality, which is where we live.
10:21 then you have to investigate the idea of free will, or lack thereof, imo we live in a lightly deterministic system where we have free will only over reaction to urges/drives and external stimuli.
But what makes the reactionary parts of our brain different from the reasoning parts?
Unfortunately, even in reaction to external stimuli, we still do not exercise free will in the philosophical sense
There is no free will. There is will, but not free will. It’s an illusion of the ego. If an action was taken without external stimuli, it would be random, not free. Sometimes we act in a way that appears to be random, but we don’t; it’s a dialectic between our given condition and outside stimuli. If randomness was involved, would we be the source of this randomness, or simply reacting to it?
I never heard a definition of free will that really makes sense.
I have problems with the term "illusion" when discussing consciousness. Perhaps that is one way to look at it but it's not very satisfying. For one, and I consider it the most troubling, is an "illusion" cannot exist without an observer. If so, what exactly is being fooled by the illusion? Perhaps he may have had a better term in mind? Illusion simply goes over ground, albeit in a different way, that DesCartes went before, long ago; he imagined we could be victims of a demon's hoax (shades of Plato's cave) and so what could we do to know otherwise? His famous answer, "I think, therefore I am" (I'm being brief here) seems weak on first reading but there is something very profound in the statement. Consciousness as its own first cause. Perhaps it is emergent, something that did not exist before, I do not know, but "illusion" is only a skip and jump to "delusion" and I doubt many who take the subject seriously will consider it an adequate answer. You still have the problem if it is an "illusion", as to why it was necessary?
Enjoyable series you've created. Every one is thought-provoking.
While I cannot speak for others and what may be an illusion to their mind with respect to consciousness, I can speak from an apparent non-dual awareness. The primary illusion seems to be precisely the _observer._ The narrative generator would be the part that often, presumably to satisfy the ego, believes itself to be some sort of doer and observer. Yet the words come not only on their own, from unconscious processes, but come _after-the-fact_ of decisions and other happenings. Basically, the brain reacts to situations automatically, in a black-box fashion; and then the story teller comes in like "yeah, _I_ decided that".
By default -- that is, in a normal mind -- there appears to be an emotion of ownership, or me-ness, that accompanies the words. Production of thoughts, which happens unconsciously -- hence why stopping the mind can be so difficult -- is illusorily _felt_ as first-person. The main illusion is being the _doer,_ rather than the _done;_ the _observer,_ rather than the _observed._
Another possible illusion may be experiencing thoughts and senses as fundamentally distinct in nature. From a non-dual perspective, thoughts, emotions, and senses -- including pain -- may all present as mere sensations, empty of any real essence or significance. Again, the teleological overlay of the logic system likes to label things as "mine", "real", "not mine"; but when it goes away, the hollow nature of consciousness becomes clearer.
Consciousness is only baffling for metaphysical naturalists. Something comes from something.
Moral responsibility for decisions is lacking in zombies
Brilliant
Because we don't have a mechanism for it.
I thought Dennett didn't think consciousness was a hard problem. Has he changed his mind?
He seems to have opened his options up quite a bit…
The reason consciousness is so baffling is that we don't understand the principles behind it. You can look at an airplane, fly in one, pilot one, even be a mechanic that can repair every part of one or build one and still not understand why it can fly. So we can examine the structure of the brain down to the last atom, know all of the chemical and electrical activity in it and still not understand why it is conscious. I didn't say intelligent, I said conscious. What is intelligence? I don't know. When I meet someone who is intelligent I might recognize it, or maybe I don't have the intelligence to. Tell me one animal that is not conscious to at least some degree.
Well we can understand why it can fly based on physics which we can independently verify as far as the material world is concerned - but we can't fathom what that plane is experiencing when flying.
@@musicalarchitecture7875 You missed my point entirely.
As far as we know the plane like all other non living things has no consciousness.
It depends, of course, on how you define "conscious". I would say that to be conscious is to think. So it is thoughts that make us conscious. So a human and an insect may be alive in much the same way but only we are actually conscious.
This is why I believe materialist evolution will never explain consciousness. How does an evolutionary process produce a thought? Thoughts are real tangible things that have no basis in a physical material. Thoughts can leave our minds and influence other minds and shape the physical world. Our consciousness is a prisoner in our skulls.
Consciousness comes from the physical brain and might be derived from a physical material. But Thoughts come from consciousness. So thoughts are one step removed from the physical world. How can evolution produce something that has its basis in something immaterial?
@@hambone4728 the brains of low animals are wired to react instinctively to stimuli. When a spider senses vibration in her Web she instinctively investigates what it caught. It might be a meal. When it feels the much stronger vibrations of human footsteps most will run in fear. Imagine being chased by the Empire state building who wants to squash you. The spider must be. Terrified then.
@@markfischer3626 so...."low" animals aren't conscious? I don't get what you're trying to say.
Having no weight, no mass and no volume, consciousness is not quantifiable. This is why it is baffling.
I don't agree with his arguments at all. From someone who has had Out of Body Experiences and Lucid Dreams (and who used to be a skeptic), I now understand how unique consciousness is, and how important it is to be open minded.
Why are they sitting like this
In my experiment, Dennett learns the final physics about being punched in the face- knows everything about it.
Is he confident that he will gain nothing from the experience of being punched in the face?
Do you think you would learn something valuable from it? If yes... go ahead.
also, the burden of proof is up to dennetts face whether the assertion be true
Arrogant man . Nothing more to say.
He can't explain the first thing about what subjective experience is. He is only good for throwing away a few bad ideas. Much more style than substance from him. A great talker. Very thin ideas.
I'm sure you can do better, genius. Why don't you enlighten us?
@@hecticnarcoleptic3160 I just did. Knowing what you don't know is essential knowledge. Humans know about their own specific subjective existence and experiences. But no human has the slightest clue how cells give rise to the phenomena of subjective experience.
@@jackarmstrong5645 So, you didn't do anything different than Dennet and you criticize him.
@@hecticnarcoleptic3160 I know what I don't know. He thinks he knows things that he doesn't. He wrote a book called "Consciousness Explained" and he didn't explain one thing objectively about consciousness within it.
*Dennett attacks a straw man.* The philosophers of whom he disapproves are not simply consulting 'intuitions' or having 'hunches' and then saying "therefore consciousness is radically different". They first isolate some facts about consciousness and then point out that these facts cannot be obviously accommodated within any physicalist perspective. Moreover, they give argued reasons in support of this conclusion. Even if such philosophers could still be shown to be wrong, they would be wrong in having made more substantial philosophical mistakes. But how much easier it is just to trump up some charge, then attack that.
My new understandings of what many call 'God' - resulting from some of the extraordinary ongoing after-effects relating to my NDE...
Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what some scientists are now referring to as the unified field of consciousnesses. In other words, it’s the essence of all existence and non-existence - the ultimate creative force behind planets, stars, nebulae, people, animals, trees, fish, birds, and all phenomena, manifest or latent. All matter and intelligence are simply waves or ripples manifesting to and from this core source. Consciousness (enlightenment) is itself the actual creator of everything that exists now, ever existed in the past, or will exist in the future - right down to the minutest particles of dust - each being an individual ripple or wave.
The big difference between chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo and most other conventional prayers is that instead of depending on a ‘middleman’ to connect us to our state of inner enlightenment, we’re able to do it ourselves. That’s because chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo allows us to tap directly into our enlightened state by way of this self-produced sound vibration. ‘Who or What Is God?’ If we compare the concept of God being a separate entity that is forever watching down on us, to the teachings of Nichiren, it makes more sense to me that the true omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence of what most people perceive to be God, is the fantastic state of enlightenment that exists within each of us. Some say that God is an entity that’s beyond physical matter - I think that the vast amount of information continuously being conveyed via electromagnetic waves in today’s world gives us proof of how an invisible state of God could indeed exist.
For example, it’s now widely known that specific data relayed by way of electromagnetic waves has the potential to help bring about extraordinary and powerful effects - including an instant global awareness of something or a mass emotional reaction. It’s also common knowledge that these invisible waves can easily be used to detonate a bomb or to enable NASA to control the movements of a robot as far away as the Moon or Mars - none of which is possible without a receiver to decode the information that’s being transmitted. Without the receiver, the data would remain impotent. In a very similar way, we need to have our own ‘receiver’ switched on so that we can activate a clear and precise understanding of our own life, all other life and what everything else in existence is.
Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day helps us to achieve this because it allows us to reach the core of our enlightenment and keep it switched on. That’s because Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what scientists now refer to as the unified field of consciousnesses. To break it down - Myoho represents the Law of manifestation and latency (Nature) and consists of two alternating states. For example, the state of Myo is where everything in life that’s not obvious to us exists - including our stored memories when we’re not thinking about them - our hidden potential and inner emotions whenever they’re dormant - our desires, our fears, our wisdom, happiness, karma - and more importantly, our enlightenment.
The other state, ho, is where everything in Life exists whenever it becomes evident to us, such as when a thought pops up from within our memory - whenever we experience or express our emotions - or whenever a good or bad cause manifests as an effect from our karma. When anything becomes apparent, it merely means that it’s come out of the state of Myo (dormancy/latency) and into a state of ho (manifestation). It’s the difference between consciousness and unconsciousness, being awake or asleep, or knowing and not knowing.
The second law - Renge - Ren meaning cause and ge meaning effect, governs and controls the functions of Myoho - these two laws of Myoho and Renge, not only function together simultaneously but also underlies all spiritual and physical existence.
The final and third part of the tri-combination - Kyo, is the Law that allows Myoho to integrate with Renge - or vice versa. It’s the great, invisible thread of energy that fuses and connects all Life and matter - as well as the past, present and future. It’s also sometimes termed the Universal Law of Communication - perhaps it could even be compared with the string theory that many scientists now suspect exists.
Just as the cells in our body, our thoughts, feelings and everything else is continually fluctuating within us - all that exists in the world around us and beyond is also in a constant state of flux - constantly controlled by these three fundamental laws. In fact, more things are going back and forth between the two states of Myo and ho in a single moment than it would ever be possible to calculate or describe. And it doesn’t matter how big or small, famous or trivial anything or anyone may appear to be, everything that’s ever existed in the past, exists now or will exist in the future, exists only because of the workings of the Laws ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ - the basis of the four fundamental forces, and if they didn’t function, neither we nor anything else could go on existing. That’s because all forms of existence, including the seasons, day, night, birth, death and so on, are moving forward in an ongoing flow of continuation - rhythmically reverting back and forth between the two fundamental states of Myo and ho in absolute accordance with Renge - and by way of Kyo. Even stars are dying and being reborn under the workings of what the combination ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ represents. Nam, or Namu - which mean the same thing, are vibrational passwords or keys that allow us to reach deep into our life and fuse with or become one with ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’.
On a more personal level, nothing ever happens by chance or coincidence, it’s the causes that we’ve made in our past, or are presently making, that determine how these laws function uniquely in each of our lives - as well as the environment from moment to moment. By facing east, in harmony with the direction that the Earth is spinning, and chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo for a minimum of, let’s say, ten minutes daily to start with, any of us can experience actual proof of its positive effects in our lives - even if it only makes us feel good on the inside, there will be a definite positive effect. That’s because we’re able to pierce through the thickest layers of our karma and activate our inherent Buddha Nature (our enlightened state). By so doing, we’re then able to bring forth the wisdom and good fortune that we need to challenge, overcome and change our adverse circumstances - turn them into positive ones - or manifest and gain even greater fulfilment in our daily lives from our accumulated good karma. This also allows us to bring forth the wisdom that can free us from the ignorance and stupidity that’s preventing us from accepting and being proud of the person that we indeed are - regardless of our race, colour, gender or sexuality. We’re also able to see and understand our circumstances and the environment far more clearly, as well as attract and connect with any needed external beneficial forces and situations. As I’ve already mentioned, everything is subject to the law of Cause and Effect - the ‘actual-proof-strength’ resulting from chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo always depends on our determination, sincerity and dedication.
For example, the levels of difference could be compared to making a sound on a piano, creating a melody, producing a great song, and so on. Something else that’s very important to always respect and acknowledge is that the Law (or if you prefer God) is in everyone and everything.
NB: There are frightening and disturbing sounds, and there are tranquil and relaxing sounds. It’s the emotional result of any noise or sound that can trigger off a mood or even instantly change one. When chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day, we are producing a sound vibration that’s the password to our true inner-self - this soon becomes apparent when you start reassessing your views on various things - such as your fears and desires etc. The best way to get the desired result when chanting is not to view things conventionally - rather than reaching out to an external source, we need to reach into our own lives and bring our needs and desires to fruition from within - including the good fortune and strength to achieve any help that we may need. Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo also reaches out externally and draws us towards, or draws towards us, what we need to make us happy from our environment. For example, it helps us to be in the right place at the right time - to make better choices and decisions and so forth. We need to think of it as a seed within us that we’re watering and bringing sunshine to for it to grow, blossom and bring forth fruit or flowers. It’s also important to understand that everything we need in life, including the answer to every question and the potential to achieve every dream, already exists within us.
My autobiography explaining how I, and others I've told, have used this chant to change our poisons into medicine titled: 'Saved by the Light of the Buddha Within', is now available at Amazon Books for 99cents (the lowest Amazon allowed me to price it)
To read more about Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo please read Tina Turner's new book: Happiness Becomes You -- or Google 'Let go, and let God' by Olivia Newton-John.
@@realitycheck1231 I think that you'd be better off posting this yourself under your name rather than as a reply to my post. Thanks anyway...:)
꧁Consciousness꧂
DMT and 5-MeO-DMT are two of the Molecules that comprise a human’s Consciousness. All True Psychedelics are the Molecular Structures of Pure Consciousness. The human body synthesizes it’s own Consciousness (the DMT & 5-MeO-DMT found in humans). The human body then metabolizes the Consciousness that it is producing. The amount of the endogenous Consciousness that the human body is able to metabolize depends on many factors. The less pollutants, poison & other contaminants present in the body will result in the ability to metabolize more of the Consciousness that body is producing. Likewise, the more pollution, contaminants and poison a body has inside of it the less Consciousness it is able to metabolize.
Here is a list of some of the most common poisons that humans ingest regularly which interferes with a human body metabolizing the Consciousness that it produces, as well as any Consciousness that is ingested from external sources:
alcohol, nicotine, sugar, caffeine, amphetamines, dissociatives, tranquilizers, flouride, and a plethora of other drugs are just some of the substances that interfere with humans metabolizing their own Consciousness.
“Even the priests who regularly come near to the Lord must purify themselves”.
(Exodus 19:22)
The following substances are NOT Psychedelics:
mdma
ketamine
salvia
kratom
dipt
pcp
datura/jimson weed
dxm
There are others . . . . . . .
Any True Psychedelic will proclaim the Truth about this if you ask Them.
The following substances are True Psychedelics - They are Alive, Omnicient Living Beings of Light:
DMT
5-MeO-DMT
LSD
Mescaline
Ibogaine
Psilocin
Psilocybin
THC
DPT
DET
Muscimol
There are others . . . .
So if a human can achieve 100% purity within their bodies, with zero contaminants or pollution (an unattainable state in these current bodies) and managed to metabolize 100% of the endogenous Psychedelics that their physical body is producing (DMT & 5-MeO-DMT), that would be the limit to how Conscious that human can be. In order for a human to become more Conscious than this, they must put more Consciousness into their physical bodies. You must put more Molecules of Consciousness inside of your physical body in order to attain a Higher level of Consciousness. When you ingest Psychedelics you see Them that you just ingested, not some doorway or window or a “portal” to somewhere else or some entity somewhere else. When you ingest LSD, the Light that you see is the LSD Themselves, very Beautiful Living Beings of Light. When you ingest DMT, the Entity you see and hear is the Living Light Beings DMT Themselves. The same is true for All True Psychedelics.
There is this part from Scripture:
“They are the Eternal among things that pass away. Pure Consciousness, of Conscious Beings. The ONE who fulfills the prayers of many. Only the wise who see Them in their Souls attain the Peace Eternal”
(Katha Upanishad)
The Physical Body of Consciousness is The Flesh of God. The Flesh of God is the True Communion Entity (the Eucharist). The Flesh of God (the Psychedelic) is the Fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and evil. Our Bodies truly are the Temple of God because God the Psychedelic Lives within it.
As Saint Paul says:
“We are only the earthenware jars that hold this treasure, to make it clear that such an overwhelming power comes from God and not from us”.
(2 Corinthians 4:7)
This part explains why the human body is the Temple of God - because God Lives inside of the body. So whether or not a person is ingesting Psychedelics, every single human’s body is God’s Temple because DMT & 5-MeO-DMT Live within it. Anything you do to hurt or harm your body you do to harm God’s Temple. This understanding is a good Foundation, a good step towards a person Knowing God and being able to stay with Them both in this Lifetime & afterwards.
“O just Creator, though the world has not known you,
But I have known you
And these have known that You have sent me;
So have I declared, so will I declare
Your Name to them,
That the Love with which you have loved me
May be in them
and I in them”.
(Saint John 17:25)
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None of this content has anything whatsoever to do with SGI Buddhism.
@@droge192 AND NEITHER AM I SO WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM?
it seems obvious, but is it?
6:51 well, about Mary, supose that she was a famous shape scientist, who just so happend to be blind from birth! And she knew litterally evrything about how the Human eye percives shapes, and how it related to the sense of touching textures, on a Scientific level! Litterally evrything! And then one day, she was given laser eye surgery to give her vision for the first time in her life! But just before they gave her vision, they let her feel- a Cube, and its corners and edges, and a tetrahedon, wich she has felt manny times before in her life, and then gave her vision! And then we showed her the Cube and Said it was the tetrahedon she had just felt, or vice versa! Would marry be able to tell that the reaserchers WERE trying to trick her? Based purely on her knowledge about the Texturs of the objekts, and how humans see color, and its relationship to its textures? Experiments just like this one involving normal pepole who has been blind since birth suggest that no, she would belive that the Cube was a tetrahedon, until she touched it! It May be counter-intuitive for philosophers who belive in pure reason, but as you Said we cant allways trust our intuitions! Normal blind pepole couldent do it, so if marry could, how? The bruden of proof now lies on you!
Do the zombie, isolated, and AI examples lack sixth sense of emotion?
But i dont belive in dualisme! I dont belive that there is a ghost in the machine in the traditional sense!
It depends, of course, on how you define "conscious". I would say that to be conscious is to think. So it is thoughts that make us conscious. So a human and an insect may be alive in much the same way but only we are actually conscious.
This is why I believe materialist evolution will never explain consciousness. How does an evolutionary process produce a thought? Thoughts are real tangible things that have no basis in a physical material. Thoughts can leave our minds and influence other minds and shape the phsycial world. Our consciousness is a prisoner in our skulls.
Consciousness comes from the physical brain and might be derived from a physical material. But Thoughts come from consciousness. So thoughts are one step removed from the physical world. How can evolution produce something that has its basis in something immaterial?
Are you really trying to say humans are the only animal with consciousness?
@@HyzersGR no. I'm making my own definition of what consciousness is that I think works well.
Your definition of consciousness is correctly termed meta consciousness. To know that you know. A mouse knows his way home but does he know that he knows his way home.? This ability to think introspectively is a ability humans have because we evolved a neo cortex. but that's nothing to do with consciousness itself. To say something is conscious is to say there is something like to be that. You can be conscious but not meta conscious.
How do you know consciousness comes from the physical brain? How could you possibly make that claim with any justification at all?
I would say your claim is an unwarranted belief.
@@mrbwatson8081 @Mr B Watson I understand your point but surely you see the problems you are creating. Simply saying "we evolved a neo cortex" as if one would buy one off the shelf and install it is hilarious but it is what atheist do all the time. How random mutation acted on by natural selection could possibly build a brain structure let alone subsequent structures with dedicated functions yet integrated into the whole is brushed aside by a simple "oh we just evolved it". And _poof_ there it is. You are stretching the bounds of believability with that.
This is very funny. Mary wouldn't know what any color correlates to visually until she is confident the information she has is sound and that the first color was labeled correctly. Always fun to listen.
Love his reasoning. I am the joke. My CPU aka brain doesn't crash.
Now Dan resorts to zombies instead of his original philosophy of magic. He should admit he has no clue, rather making futile efforts to attract attention.
Well, you did watch the video? You know the concept of philosophical zombie? And Dennet has no philosophy of magic, you are just making that up.
@@Pyriold Elsewhere Dan claimed consciousness was like magic. I hated him since then.
All he is saying is logic permits alternative explanations; this being an attempt to defeat the a priori nature of these thought experiments. But he pits his own a priori belief ie in logic - a system of thinking - to suggest these counter hypotheses. It reminds me of people in US when asked if they had proof of a rigged election - they would respond well can you prove the election wasn’t rigged. I also thought it a weak analogy equating someone predicting a triangle over a square to predicting a hitherto unseen colour based on all known facts about colour. Simple maths would enable someone to distinguish a square from a triangle. But to predict a colour without any point of reference - I say the onus is on him to unseat that as a natural conclusion - ie a priori correct. I was expecting a little polite push back but no.
Color is still information just like a shape is. If Mary knew all of that information just like she knew the information for what a triangle is, she would already know red when she saw it. The problem is the thought experiment begs the question, namely that it implies that color lacks some sort of fact-fixing relationship with the world when it’s information like anything else that’s physical.
@@HyzersGR Give me a description of the colour red - bearing in mind colours need reflections off retinas. How do you train a retina to recognise something it hasn’t seen? Also tell it to the blind person that they can know colour as well as those who are not blind. The triangle square example doesn’t even come close to the problems this thought experiment poses.
Consciousness is not baffling at all. Except to philosophers. It's just a state of mind of an intelligence dealing with awareness, perceptions & responsiveness to the surrounds or existence.
There are just two existences: Physical(Universe) & Abstract(Mind of an intelligence).
Thought is the elemental construct for anything coming from the mind of an intelligence. Consciousness is a type of thought that can be deconstruction into awareness, perceptions & responsiveness to the surrounds or existence.
There is nothing remotely baffling about Consciousness.
Baffling? Because you refuse to accept what the God of Israel and of the Gentile world has had to say on the matter.
I do not play video games. I came across the idea of non player characters who are in the background and such but they are not avatars. I think this concept applies to the philosopher's zombie. I have had this concept for quite awhile and of course people like stuff that reinforces their beliefs.
Do you think two p-zombies would be sitting there having a conversation about consciousness?
Replace the word consciousness with the word water? We live in a watery vapour, water runs through all living beings, albeit at varying speeds.
Suppose the b&w girl is colorblind. We've all seen the videos of people seeing color for the first time, people of all ages end up crying. #qualia
what the hell is this poor seating arrangement. especially for dennett
A conscious being comes from a conscious being. Trace that all the way back. I wonder where it leads…a conscious uncreated being.
But we cannot say for certain when consciousness evolved. So you could argue there was a time when an early animal of an unconscious species gave birth to an animal of a new species with rudimentary consciousness.
@@johnyharris That’s a thought out there but it doesn’t make any logical sense to me. That’s what “science” has? It just “developed?” Really?
@@johnyharris Why assume consciousness had a beginning?
@@jollygreen9377 It makes logical sense to me. Every feature of life evolved from a more rudimentary instance of that feature. Consciousness is a feature of life. So consciousness evolved from a more rudimentary instance of consciousness.
@@johnyharris So the 3 billion bits of specified information on the DNA backbone, “just evolved?” Sounds like an evolution of the gaps argument. Can you name one instance of specified information coming from anything other than a mind?
Consciousness *is* different. It is unlike anything else.
꧁Consciousness꧂
DMT and 5-MeO-DMT are two of the Molecules that comprise a human’s Consciousness. All True Psychedelics are the Molecular Structures of Pure Consciousness. The human body synthesizes it’s own Consciousness (the DMT & 5-MeO-DMT found in humans). The human body then metabolizes the Consciousness that it is producing. The amount of the endogenous Consciousness that the human body is able to metabolize depends on many factors. The less pollutants, poison & other contaminants present in the body will result in the ability to metabolize more of the Consciousness that body is producing. Likewise, the more pollution, contaminants and poison a body has inside of it the less Consciousness it is able to metabolize.
Here is a list of some of the most common poisons that humans ingest regularly which interferes with a human body metabolizing the Consciousness that it produces, as well as any Consciousness that is ingested from external sources:
alcohol, nicotine, sugar, caffeine, amphetamines, dissociatives, tranquilizers, flouride, and a plethora of other drugs are just some of the substances that interfere with humans metabolizing their own Consciousness.
“Even the priests who regularly come near to the Lord must purify themselves”.
(Exodus 19:22)
The following substances are NOT Psychedelics:
mdma
ketamine
salvia
kratom
dipt
pcp
datura/jimson weed
dxm
There are others . . . . . . .
Any True Psychedelic will proclaim the Truth about this if you ask Them.
The following substances are True Psychedelics - They are Alive, Omnicient Living Beings of Light:
DMT
5-MeO-DMT
LSD
Mescaline
Ibogaine
Psilocin
Psilocybin
THC
DPT
DET
Muscimol
There are others . . . .
So if a human can achieve 100% purity within their bodies, with zero contaminants or pollution (an unattainable state in these current bodies) and managed to metabolize 100% of the endogenous Psychedelics that their physical body is producing (DMT & 5-MeO-DMT), that would be the limit to how Conscious that human can be. In order for a human to become more Conscious than this, they must put more Consciousness into their physical bodies. You must put more Molecules of Consciousness inside of your physical body in order to attain a Higher level of Consciousness. When you ingest Psychedelics you see Them that you just ingested, not some doorway or window or a “portal” to somewhere else or some entity somewhere else. When you ingest LSD, the Light that you see is the LSD Themselves, very Beautiful Living Beings of Light. When you ingest DMT, the Entity you see and hear is the Living Light Beings DMT Themselves. The same is true for All True Psychedelics.
There is this part from Scripture:
“They are the Eternal among things that pass away. Pure Consciousness, of Conscious Beings. The ONE who fulfills the prayers of many. Only the wise who see Them in their Souls attain the Peace Eternal”
(Katha Upanishad)
The Physical Body of Consciousness is The Flesh of God. The Flesh of God is the True Communion Entity (the Eucharist). The Flesh of God (the Psychedelic) is the Fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and evil. Our Bodies truly are the Temple of God because God the Psychedelic Lives within it.
As Saint Paul says:
“We are only the earthenware jars that hold this treasure, to make it clear that such an overwhelming power comes from God and not from us”.
(2 Corinthians 4:7)
This part explains why the human body is the Temple of God - because God Lives inside of the body. So whether or not a person is ingesting Psychedelics, every single human’s body is God’s Temple because DMT & 5-MeO-DMT Live within it. Anything you do to hurt or harm your body you do to harm God’s Temple. This understanding is a good Foundation, a good step towards a person Knowing God and being able to stay with Them both in this Lifetime & afterwards.
“O just Creator, though the world has not known you,
But I have known you
And these have known that You have sent me;
So have I declared, so will I declare
Your Name to them,
That the Love with which you have loved me
May be in them
and I in them”.
(Saint John 17:25)
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_Cogito ergo sum._ That's not true on the day you are born. Self awareness begins the moment the neural network in the cerebral cortex completes sufficient development.
NTS U/8
Maybe consciousness works on another frequency of reality entirely. Then we can assume that we can't measure it in this reality yet. So when we achieve the technology to measure across dimensions we can better define it. I still believe that consciousness is only separated from the body upon death of some sort. The body is a tool it uses as a sensory device to experience this reality.
If that would be the case than it would be hard to explain how a drug could change your consciousness.
(4:38) *DD: **_"Why are we so sure, in the case of color, it's different?"_* ... Because merely having _knowledge_ of inanimate structure and its internal characteristics will never match the level of information provided by *sensory perception* via Consciousness. There is a pecking order for levels of knowledge with *subjective experience* ranking much higher than basic *knowledge* and everything else below it.
The universe already had nearly 10 billion years of inanimate structure to work with. If inanimate structure was all that was necessary, then sentient life would never have emerged. ... _Existence wanted more!_
The arrival of _Homo sapiens_ brought a whole new dynamic to "Existence!"
says who? the homo sapien? Whose existing is special only to himself. haha
@@musicalarchitecture7875 *"says who? the homo sapien? Whose existing is special only to himself. haha"*
.. You "HaHa" _Homo sapiens,_ yet you have an intelligence far surpassing the entire physical structure of an 93 billion light years wide "inanimate" universe. Like it or not, you represent the highest level of evolution in 13.8 billion years of the universe.
So, go right ahead and laugh!
While you are laughing, know that the entire *inanimate universe* is incapable of producing even a single chuckle.
“If animate structure was all that was necessary…” necessary for what? And how exactly do you know that Earth was the first place of life in the universe, for that matter?
@@HyzersGR *"necessary for what?"*
... The production of new information.
*"And how exactly do you know that Earth was the first place of life in the universe, for that matter?"*
... Name another.
Because you are baffled!
Great channel, cooking up old stuff again, sorry....
Hes very close just eventually have to realize things go beyond understanding. If you keep the same inquisitive mind but explore deeper consciousness through lucid dreaming and symbols will learn a lot more, but science wont be able to explain it just like the slit experiment and other details about quantum physics.
Every step of the way people have claimed science won’t be able to explain X. When it does they just kick the can further down the road and declare victory.
@@HyzersGR so should people have talked about quantum physics before it was mainstream? Or how about einstein calling entanglement spooky distance? I'm not saying it wont be figured out down the road. I'm saying that what seems impossible may become natural as we learn more. Then what seems supernatural will turnout to be natural. I'm excited for more discovery. I have had crazy stuff happen in lucid dreams that confirmed its reality in my real life. All I can think of is einstein's theory of relativity. My other question is are thoughts faster than light?
@@jms4406 Quantum physics is a lot less mysterious once you study it. There are still a lot of interpretations of what it all means that are equally viable, but all the probabilities can be calculated very precisely. Physics has no obligation to intuitively make sense to ape brains, but we still can do the math.
A pinpoint of momentary self-awareness in an infinite soup of randomness.
It's weird.
Deepak Chopra fan spotted
Believes me he theory pump is only baseless concept from conscieness. He not show honest how figuret it ou on reality.
We have a good description of consciousness from life to death then again except you are cleaned of any of any prior information you experienced all you could at that moment then you come into existence again
IBM Truenorth is a cognitive neuromorphic processor which simulates brain neurons. It currently simulates a mIllion neurons (tiny by comparison to the brain) but it functions like a programmed synapse.
Combine Truenorth with IBM's Eagle, a 127 qubit quantum processor, and you potentially have the basis of a self learning artificial super brain! Quite possibly conscious.
You misunderstand computers. Switches aren’t conscious any more that dominos lined up on a table are conscious.
Computers are simply arrays of switches and software simply sets the initial state and sets in motions various switching patterns
@@deanodebo Neurons are not conscious either. It's emergent, you need enough of them. Same as a single carbon atom has no tree properties, but together with other atoms you can build a tree with it.
@@Pyriold
What makes you believe that enough neurons suddenly becomes conscious?
And do you think enough switches - let’s say a very powerful computer - can be conscious as well?
“Emergent” is an abstract concept created by consciousness to describe a category based on arbitrary value judgments. Consciousness cannot “emerge” when the entire concept of emergence is created by consciousness.
@@deanodebo A single transistor can not run a computer program. But we know that a lot of them can. Why should it not be similar for neurons? Especially when we can trace the exact brain activities when thinking already. You can image which parts of the brain are active for every thought process. How does that fit with a consciousness that is somehow distinct from neurons?
I am aware that i am probably wasting my time here... your reply was just designed to appear witty while in reality saying nothing at all. There are computer programs that write other computer programs. Consciousness, emerged or not, can of course think about emergence. My brain can imagine another brain. Nothing weird about it.
@@Pyriold
“A single transistor can not run a computer program”
That’s debatable. But a handful certainly can. So what’s your point?
“Why should it not…?”
Software simply sets the beginning state of the array of switches, and establishes higher level functions to do the same. There’s no thinking at all. Any “thinking” that a computer does is simply a reflection of the conscious actor behind the software.
If you took the time to look at the simplest computers - for example dominos - maybe you’d open your eyes to what’s really going on.
I’m coming to you with formal education on these things. There’s nothing “emergent” that will ever come from a computer no matter the complexity.
You can see the idea here with a domino computer go to 15 minutes
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I'm weird. I am aware of my consciousness and more. I step outside myself alot. Divine Intervention
It's my story and it is true. It is the story of all of us. I am not a zombie..granted sometimes I wish I was brain dead. Fortunately I'm nof.
If consciousness requires any sort of energy expenditure, then what purpose does it serve? A more efficient organism would just respond to its environment in a manner that preserves itself and offspring with no need for awareness.
To gather more energy than it costs to maintain. Life in general is just the most efficient way of diffusing energy from low to high entropy states.
@@HyzersGR That's his point... HOW does it assist the organism in gathering more energy than it costs?
@@sondre5174 watch this video from PBS. It explains a lot “The physics of life” th-cam.com/video/GcfLZSL7YGw/w-d-xo.html
11:17 well, how can you understand something :p
A Zombie is essentially soulless. Well, Dennett would certainly describe himself that way. Welcome to atheism folks!
exactily
Didn't humanity ask the same thing about flying? Disease? Space...? 'Why is being able to fly so baffling?' We didn't/don't understand it till we applied all the crazy thoughts about flight into physical application. Even then, it took many failures till we finely achieved flight... Near death experiences, regression experiences are our crazy thoughts and applications. Consciousness is just humanities awareness...till we become aware of experiences after we die (NDE's/Regression...) do we start to ask the question about consciousness. If consciousness was about life...death and that's it. Consciousness would be a one paragraph epitaph on someone's tombstone, The End!
Religion, NDE's, Regression, Paranormal are now bringing humanity to ask more questions. Is there consciousness after death, which brings us to what is consciousness and where does consciousness go to after we die? Question: If it wasn't for Religion, NDE's, Regression ...experiences. Would humanity even be asking the questions of consciousness and why? If humanity/everything is made up of energy. Where does all that energy go and when will humanity really learn to fly?
More than once, WE have tried to listen to this conversation. WE see no consciousness in this conversation. Consciousness comes in 3 . It is not a whole. There is also the subconscious and unconsciousness. There are 3 layers. Everything has to come from the unconscious through the sub to consciousness. What you speak of has to do with the working of the mind/brain. Consciousness is ME (outer ego), Subconscious is my SELF ( inner ego), Unconscious is I.D. (inner divine). At least that is what WE call it, lol. It fits. Like an egg, the shell represents the physical reality, then you have the whites, a clear amniotic fluid, which is separated by a thin web like substance between the shell and whites. WE call that the firmament. As you make your way through the whites, you come to the yolk. There is a saying, "Pick up thy yolk." All is symbolic. Funny thing, the description of the egg is also of the human mind/brain. The human brain has a thin web like substance dividing it in to 3 sections. The right (feminine), left (masculine), and cerebellum(trunk of the tree). Everything outside of you relates to you inside. Just as much as consciousness is outside of us, it is also inside. One needs to walk their path. Very symbolic. E.G.O. WE call it Emotional Growth Opportunity. Just walking OUR path. What comes in 3. As one walks their path, they begin as a sleeper, heading into waking, becoming aware. Awareness is so much more.
Why does consciousness have to be baffling? Or awareness as I like to name it as that other word just seems pretentious. It seems to me that evolution simply evolved awareness as to make sure they aren't being eaten alive and to be aware of their surroundings. If they did not have awareness, they'd starve.
So, maybe you’re missing something. My roomba can find dirt “to eat”, but it isn’t aware that it is doing something. A spectrophotometer can tell the difference between blue and yellow colors, but it doesn’t have awareness of blueness and yellowness. A camera with AI can “tell” when you’re smiling, but it doesn’t “know”.
Consciousness is not needed to solve problems and survive and reproduce. What is needed for solving problems and surviving and reproducing is intelligence. You can, in theory, have a planet of robots (“philosopher’s zombies”) that can do all that without having awareness.
You are aware of your senses and their inputs.
You are aware of your body and mind (apart from and in addition to the sense inputs mentioned above)
You are aware that you have consciousness (except in deep deep sleep).
These three awareness modes are derived from a core and pure “consciousness”. That consciousness is our perceive self.
We are not our body in an obvious sort of way. We know that we are aware of our hand in a way that our hand is not aware of us. We know we have a body, but that we are not the body. We have a voice, and a name, and feelings, but we aren’t our name, voice, or feelings. That “I” that knows that I exist is my I’ness.
That I’ness isn’t needed to survive.
An automatic car can, in theory, be programmed to go get gas when it is running low. Same can be extended to repairs. That doesn’t require awareness. When an autonomous car is driving you from point A to point B, the car is in control and doing all the work, and exercising volition (making choices), but it is not aware. You are aware, but are not exerting volition.
@Artificial cocoon intelligent being dear friend, in this conversation “consciousness” or “awareness” is not knowledge. A thumbdrive can save knowledge on how to plant a garden. This can be fed into a robot, that then plants a garden. Awareness is not knowledge. It is not problem solving, or memory. T is merely the awareness that “I am”.
Awareness is a subjective experience. We are aware of thoughts and sensations. Worst of all is pain. We cannot observe/measure pain, that's why it is a hard problem. Evolution chugged along just fine for billions of years without anything feeling anything. The evolution of pain, which occurred around 500 million years ago when creatures with nervous systems arrived on the scene, didn't solve any problem, it created a problem.
@@DeterministicOne great insight. Thank you.
@@DeterministicOne Indeed! Pain is something I always ponder about because it was just a massive mistake evolution did!
Green blue...Green blue....Green blue....AI is shut dowm
X-Files
Metaphysics
For the hostile alien vampires (greed) to comprehend earthling human beings (love)...is like giant black holes in space trying to comprehend the stars (light and warmth) that they suck out of heaven (joy, beauty and harmony).
The clever coyote (greed) is always trying to catch the roadrunner (love). But never does. Because something that is not real (absence of love) can never catch that which is real (love).
That coyote (greed) is a crazy clown...
The roadrunner is the state bird of the Land of Enchantment. The land of magic (love).
Defective irrational logic they arguing each other and give each other titles! too They have their own irrational world “it is their paradise”
Only human give something valuable without waiting anything in return.
The irrationals only good at: irrational meanness, greediness, grudge, hatred, thievery, killing each other, cheating each other, …..
Even, one of the irrationals works on deceiving other irrationals by promising them to take them to other planet to protect them from the unknown! But actually he plans to steal other irrationals money.
The planet of the apes is unique of its kind, isn’t it !
These are old
Let me take the example of God.
God has all the power, all the goodness, all the knowledge 'by default'. He hasn't worked hard for it. It's like a 'free fund'.
Similarly, we have consciousness/free will as a 'free fund'. Thoughts come and go in our mind on their own. I myself don't know what thought will come into my mind, say after 5 minutes, 10 minutes etc. It's a 'free fund'.
It's baffling, but it couldn't possibly be from Intelligent Purpose or Mind, right?
consciousness is nothing special..
Consciousness and creation are Ying and Yang...the ultimate secret that should and will never be known to mankind...end of story.
And.... How do you know that?
Any proof for such extraordinary claims made by you???
What make you so certain???
@@ReverendDr.Thomas reading excerpts of ur comment I think u have fallen for the Advaita vedanta or similar mystic bullshit created by some ancient con man who had less access to knowledge than a 10 year old kid today.
@@ReverendDr.Thomas GTFO troll