Depends, if the vampires and werewolves are anything like those portrayed in Taika Waititi’s film and show “What We Do In The Shadows”. It’s a tough decision. I’m leaning more towards team vampire.
After hearing the description of Bella being a bland character who has low self-esteem but is pursued by multiple hot men, I realized that Twilight is basically a reverse harem Anime with vampires/werewolves.
Well, not _harem_ per se. Classic love triangle situation. Unless you count Alice/Bella sismance and some dude in highschool Bella forgets about instantly. 😅 Japanese hischooler harems tend go bigger, 4-6 minimum.
There's a fantastic inverse read of the whole series that posits that Bella is actually an incredibly savvy sociopath an unreliable narrator who is manipulating Edward so she can become a vampire queen. I can dig it.
The Quilute tribe of Washington, famous for their unasked role in the Twilight series, is currently seeking funding to move their most vulnerable people out of tsunami range as their main village is right on the ocean shore. If you enjoyed Twilight, or even if you didn't, I really encourage you to support there Move to Higher Ground project if you are able.
They've had, literally, centuries to move away from the edge waters. They've been there so long they bore witness to the Pacific eroding and reshaping the coast. I think they could/should be able to figure this one out without interlopers throwing pity and cash at them.
The thing I love about vampires as an archetype is how versatile and wildly appealing they are. Need a monster for a horror movie? Vampire. Love interest for a teenager? Vampire! Allegory for eternal youth? Try vampires. How about a cartoonish representation of an overbearing dad? Hey, how about a vampire!
I know it was just an outfit, but I like the idea of Mavis from Hotel Transylvania actually reviewing how her kind are represented in media. Makes me want Mavis to critique Bram Stoker's Dracula with Keanu.
"Lost Boys" popularised the "Hip Vampire" craze, and showed a different take on the genre than the legendary depiction in Bram Stoker's works. When "Interview with the Vampire" came out, it showed that vampires could be edgy, especially when portrayed by Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt.
@@cvrator Tom and Brad's portrayals of vampires were considered edgy at that stage of extremely stodgy mainstream cinema. It was the first film in several years where Tom Cruise attempted to play a character who was not Tom Cruise. He failed. However, he tried. Brad Pitt brought his jawline to the project - thanks Brad, your bones were appreciated and you were robbed of the Oscar for Best Jaw in a Drama.
@@celinahatton2653 dude, I'm in my forties. Nobody outside of the bible belt thought IWTV was edgy. Or really anyone inside the bible belt for that matter. I lived there.
I remember being super into vampires at like age 10 when twilight came out, and whilst I read and enjoyed the books I cared less about the romance and the main plot.. I was however really into the Volturi. So I was more into vampires as a concept than I was into twilight, but I was 10 so the only thing I was allowed to consume was, well, twilight. My vampire obsession is back, however I gravitate more towards What We Do in the Shadows rather than the more dramatic movies and series out there
I remember at the height of the vampire craze Borders had an entire section for 'Dark romance' novels that just sold different shades of Twilight/True Blood copies.
Interesting fact about the Lost Boys. It's called that because originally it was a Peter Pan story, and Peter Pan was always a child not because of Neverland, but because he was a vampire. But it went through numerous re-writes and revisions and a modernizing of the setting and eventually morphed into what it was released as.
As a kid who got to see The Lost Boys and Blade 1998 before the Twilight Series existed,its very clear that Twilight killed the Viciousness,Cunning,Sexuality and Bloodlust that oozed from Vampires and made them into hipsters that ate animal blood only and couldn't have sex. The Vampires of Blade 1998 are the perfect natural extension of The Lost Boys because they are hedonistic,Cruel,Young and see themselves better than humans and have no plan of setting up alliances with them or of Ruling the Humans from the shadows. Werewolves got it worst because they just don't exist or turn into large Dogs. Hugh Jackman's Van helsing gets alot of shit but 2 things it did amazingly well were the designs for the Both Werewolves and Vampires being amazing. Dracula's wings being a natural cape in his Human form and The massive Black Fur and Claws of Hugh Jackmans Werewolf Transformation are severely underrated.
I remember being in middle school and every girl was obsessed with vampires, I wasn't and i am now extremely late to the whole fascination of them. The Lost Boys would for sure be my favorites😍🦇Also I am loving your Mavis cosplay 👏🏻
Another enjoyable presentation (even though it's been decades since I was a teen anything), well researched and nicely put together. Plus some fun cosplay (or you need to spend some more time in the outdoors) ;-) . There's another aspect of vampires that always seemed at play, the needing to feed off of the lives of others to continue to live that was a social commentary all on its own. Not so much at the forefront of teen vamp movies, but a bit like Colin Robinson, the psychic vampire from What we Do in the Shadows, the people that feed off the attention of others on Instagram to become influencers is a bit vampirish as well. Keep up the fun work, I still can't believe you only have 53K followers and that a major pop culture website like Nerdist or even Wired hasn't recruited you. You do this really well.
Thank you Barry 🙏 and yesss great point, I never caught this! It's interesting how vampires can apply to the cultural tendencies of each new generation; likely why they're such a popular trope to play with in media. (also Colin is hilarious.) Appreciate your support as always! ✨
I did enjoy THE LOST BOYS. I also found the Anne Rice novels captivating (at first, more on that later). And when the World of Darkness RPGs like VAMPIRE: The Masquerade came out, I was in like Flynn, as they say. I was college age, branching out, finding myself as an adult as the 80's became the 90's. But I soon noticed a trend with fellow players of the VAMPIRE game: Left to their own devices, many would soon make light of using regular mortals as pawns or food, often enjoying the concepts. The scene in THE LOST BOYS where the teen vampires cause trouble but successfully intimidate the adults may seem cool (Hey, the adults don't mess with us) but more and more looks like the same bullies featured in LET ME IN. "Don't mess with me, or I'll KILL YOU." The Anne Rice vampires are the same, "special" people who do not abide by any law, except for one: "Don't Get Caught." The author Sharyn McCrumb once wrote of a character who enjoyed science-fiction fandom because it made them part of a group of like-minded individuals. It also, after years of ostracism, made her look at other people who had "normal" pastimes, and thought, "I'm part of something, they're not. I'm somebody, but they aren't." The character soon began to pull away from the fandom when she realized that this was the same mindset of serial killers. I finished reading the Anne Rice novels with TALE OF THE BODY THIEF, but it was more of a "I have to see what happens next." It ended with Lestat back in his body after getting Freaky-Fridayed for awhile, and luxuriating in the fact that he has his vampiric freedom again. These days, with school shooters, terrorist attacks, and dead-eyed people with high-powered assault rifles, reading about beautiful serial killers has lost its appeal.
I'm not gonna simp... I'm not gonna simp.... I'm not gonna simp.... Lol for real tho, another banger, as usual! Keep it up with the constant high quality
Is it wrong, that I still like it? 😅 The first movie, at least. Like, I remember all the bashing, I agree with the criticisms, those flaws just never hurt my enjoyment.
It's all kinds wrong, but it's intensely gripping, interesting to watch. The aesthetic, the tone, the actors, it works. Cinema Therapy made a good break down of good and bad stuff in those. I also liked the transhuman element to Mayer's vampirism, while I get why it would look terrible side by side with a lot of Mary Sue ridiculous moments (Mayer abuses Alice's powers a lot, makes everything always revolve around the Bella, whatever few downsides vampirism has in this universe Bella is immune to, etc.) of this series, the movies especially did a good job portraying how inhuman vampires can be in their abilities alone and how stark is the difference in experience between mortal and immortal Bella. I think that people, who say, that Mayer is terrible romance writer, but potentially great body horror writer are correct. Maybe even sci-fi writer, too. Imagine Mayer writing in something like Eclipse Phase universe?
The psychological horror elements of Twilight are fun, but I couldn’t get over how it’s blatantly drowned out by romantic tension. As an unreliable narrator story about descending into madness with someone that warns her about how dangerous he is, proceeds to be dangerous in ways she convinces herself are somehow okay, and claiming that she’s his weakness rather than consistently breaking off contact with her or be less of a liar… well it almost works. But the horror plays more like “romance is scary so the constant disrespect is just something for me to overcome & expect from this guy” And that just kills it for me.
@@donatodiniccolodibettobardi842 one of the best parts of being an adult is having the confidence to embrace trash for the good parts and accept that the bad parts aren’t bad enough to distract you from the joy of trash. The audacity of a story to miss out on so many fun elements yet still be fun for you is perfectly fine. Some people just voice their disappointment in a piece of media without that perspective.
I really like that you touched on Near Dark. it gets overlooked a lot or did for quite a while. I was about 14 in 1989 when we rented Near Dark and Lost Boys, and I really liked Lost Boys, but I found Near Dark more honest and compelling for showing the hardship or unglamorized side of Vampirism. Lost Boys and Near Dark actually complement each other in presenting a full picture of the teen Vampire.
Re: CARMILLA While DRACULA can be pretty easily seen as about (to some extent) fear of women's sexuality, I would posit the same cannot be honestly said of Le Fanu's novella. For one thing Le Fanu simply didn't write polemics or "warning" tales. For another CARMILLA has ever seemed to me more like a gothic version of an Irish folk tale in which a mere mortal has some kind of intimate encounter with the uncanny (the Fey usually) and is never the same again. LET ME IN is one of my absolute favorite vampire films of all time, along with flicks like SHADOW OF THE VAMPIRE and LIPS OF BLOOD. I will flatly deny that Bella in TWILIGHT is "average in every sense of teh word" because she has several unusual and positive qualities that our culture sadly thinks dull. She is genuinely generous as well as kind, as well as demonstrating real courage. At most we sometimes pretend to have these qualities but she believably does. From what I've seen, this seems to be part of what Myers was focused upon with her character, namely the idea of power based on moral example rather than force. Plenty of problems with those books, but give them their due.
what I think is so funny is how vampires in general seem to represent this counter culture concept. What used to be adult vampires that were shunned and outcasted from society became teenage vampires that were idealized and practically unattainable then became child vampires that are real and reflective, maybe pun intended, of actual society. The concept of counter culture has developed so much over the past millennia.
A GREAT examination of the Teen Vampire phenomena. But I'm a little disappointed you chose not to at least acknowledge the original Swedish film Let The Right One In which follows the novel much more closely. Both films are great but not as interchangeable as you've been led to believe. The Swedish version features a much messier and unfiltered depiction of the pubescent sexual themes at play. Those themes are sanitized a bit for the American version and it's to its detriment, IMO. The Swedish version also gives a more otherworldly depiction of the vampiric element pushing it a little further in full-on horror territory. Let Me In choses to keep it's focus on characterization and does very well in that regard. You can't go wrong with either film but I think the original is just a little more ripe for examination.
Someone else pointed this out and I agree with everything you've said - though at the time of writing the essay I thought I'd keep it contained within the Hollywood popularity of teen vampires rather than in general cinema. The latter would not only have been pretty broad to analyse, but I also wanted to focus on the mainstream fame of the film trend - brought about mostly by media from the US. I appreciate this criticism though; I do think I couldve given it a little more discussion since it was directly tied to a well-received Hollywood remake - so thanks for sharing your thoughts. :) I'm glad you enjoyed the video regardless!
@@ana-isabel No problem. I really do think you're one of the best TH-cam has to offer in terms of long-form explorative content like this. Thanks for giving me some insight into your reasoning. It makes sense with that additional context.
Hey Ana, have you considered starting a Patreon or "Buy Me A Coffee" account. You have enough subscribers to justify it. I'm sure many of your subscribers (including myself), would like the opportunity to help support and fund your channel 👍
Awww thank you! 🥺 I've been thinking about this yes, and it may be something I'll set up in the near future. Of course having you and everyone else simply watch and enjoy my work is something I'm incredibly grateful for already 🙏
@@ana-isabel Thanks for the reply! You’ve always made quality content (of course I don’t want to jinx anything jk). I look forward to your future video essays 🍿
Vampire Acdemy is actually being readapted as a show, going to be on Peacock this year (I think... and unless it gets pushed back). I'll admit I wrote the rest of this comment only 8 minutes into the video but: I don't think vampires in pop culture can be talked about without some mention Anne Rice and the impact of her vampires. The Interview With The Vampire film adaptation didn't come out until 1994, but the book- published in 1976 and being based on Rice's own short story from 1968- was the first time audiences got a story from the vampire's perspective and where the vampire characters were more than just a vampire archetype and usually supposing to be the antagonist. Along with that, we have a major increase in the romanticization of vampires and Lestat and Louis becoming archetypes themselves- as we later prominently see in Buffy (Spike and Angel), True Blood (Eric and Bill), and The Vampire Diaries (Damon and Stefan), for example. I've also seen an article comparing David and Michael in The Lost Boys to Lestat and Louis. Obviously this video is focusing on teen vampires, but I thought it was odd The Vampire Chronicles or Rice weren't even mentioned, especially as being major influences- directly or indirectly- on other shows and movies mentioned and with otherness being resonant within the books of the series (and again connecting that to getting the vampire's perspective). Not to mention there's the child vampire Claudia- though she's only 5 years old in the book and 10 in the movie. Also, missed opportunity at least not showing rockstar Lestat at the mention of "essentially turning rockstars, or models, out of these monsters."
As for what creatures should come after Vampires in YA romances: Aliens! Love me some alien romance. I even remember reading a german dystopian novel as a teen where the love interest was an cold but surprisingly deep alien refugee who basically was a mix of Spock and Edward Cullen, and as odd as that sounds, the themes of how hard to control emotions are and being different worked for teen me, even if by now in adulthood I surely would find a lot of red flags in these books.
Aliens are great, but fairies/fae are absolutely DOMINATING YA and NA fantasy romance right now - from The Cruel Prince to A Court of Thorns and Roses, it's everywhere. I'll be really surprised if we don't see an uptick of Fae media in the next few years
I was always inclined more to werewolves than vampires; but there is very good movies and series about vampires: True Blood, Bram's Stoker's Dracula, Blade, Interview with the vampires, Castlevania, etc... But then came along twilight and turn them into shinny pokemons!
Coincidentally, someone on here asked about my favorite vampire movies and this was one of them! Beautiful film - and with leads like Swindon and Hiddleston what more can you ask for 🖤
As a teen of the '80s, I of course was struck by the first generation of 'Hot, Sexy Vampires' in the form of 'The Lost Boys', and then ten years later with the advent of the Buffy-verse. It was, as you noted, a real departure from the traditional vampire portrayal, but perfectly in keeping with each era. There was significant evolution over even that brief period. The Lost Boys were self-indulgent, sociopathic killers, uncaring of the violence they dealt out to their victims, just living to enjoy themselves. This was reflective of the governing cultural ethos of the late 80s. By contrast, the very 90's vampires of Buffy (in the form of Angel and, later, Spike) showed us a haunted, tortured pair of anti-heroes, seeking to atone for their centuries of evil deeds.
It's always been interesting to me that Vampires are usually associated with coming of age and, with the exception of Teen Wolf, not Werewolves. You could arguably make the same type of movies but people don't and tend to focus on the one-dimensional aspects of werewolves when they could be about so much more than just fearing the moon and what have you.
Lycanthropy as allegory for the body dysmorphia that comes with puberty? You're basically describing Ginger Snaps, which if you haven't yet, is a must-see for the genre.
I come from a very right wing religious family where Harry Potter was banned growing up, but Lost Boys was a staple because mom loved it back in the day, lol. A family classic.
@@pikaboom6539 that too, but it's peer pressure and brainwashing above all else. All the other religious conservatives around were saying Harry Potter is demonic, but none of them were saying Lost Boys was demonic because it wasn't the hot new thing.
The original script for lost boys was based on a reimagined Peter Pan in which he was a vampire. It was supposed to be kid friendly featuring a younger cast
Yep! I think the Frog brothers were remnants of the old script. Glad they went with aging up the cast and slapping on the R rating for that extra gore; don't think it wouldve made as much of an impact otherwise.
As someone who's a big Buffy and Vampire Academy fan (and having consumed a lot of other vampire media) I really loved this deep dive video into the vampire genre. Vampire Academy is actually getting a TV series which is being filmed atm, hopefully they won't mess it up this time because the ideas Richelle Mead had were really progressive for the time her YA paranormal fantasy book series came out (dealing with self-harm, depression, strong female characters with actual depth to their characters) though not completely unflawed ofc. Can't wait to see what other vampire movies and books will come out in the future as vampires are just the most interesting mythical creatures out there (Anyone else also excited for the new Blade movie?). I just hope this renewed love for vampires will bring some new Buffy fans to the table as it deals with a lot of clichés but handles them wonderfully as it doesn't take itself too seriously like a lot of teen shows nowadays. And I think faeries and elves are on the uprise too considering how big S J Maas' books are where fae are replacing the good old vampires 🧚🏻♀️
Thank you! And yes, it may be the saturation of content we get from them but vampires truly do stand out from other creatures/monsters in terms of their lore and symbolism. They're such flexible characters for storytelling too! Curious about this new adaptation of Vampire Academy; hopefully it'll help wipe my memories clean of the 2014 movie. Also interestinggg - would be cool to see faeries get their time in the cinema spotlight, since they're often relegated to being simple side characters or accessories to a movie's setting (at least from what I've seen haha).
I knew soooooo many adults my age who LOVED twilight. I made it 15 minutes into the 1st movie and was clowning it to the point that I was asked to leave LMMFAO
If you want some vampire content with bad plot, amazing music and great costume and set design, I recommend the German musical Tanz der Vampire, there's recordings on TH-cam with English subtitles. The musical features a rewriting of Bonnie Tyler's Total Eclipse of the Heart and is absolutely worth watching if you're into the classical predator-ish angsty vampire lord vibe. Its humour is a bit outdated and sometimes mildly offensive, but there's still some incredibly funny scenes, so go check it out! The music absolutely slaps!
Not a teen romance but holy shit is Hellsing Ultimate underwatched. 10 part adaption of the Hellsing manga that is infamous for its brilliant action and gore sequences as well as working in a half decent narrative with an ensemble cast. It takes the idea of vampires as a parasitic power fantasy to grand scale while also just going balls to the wall absurd building it's plot around a three way conflict between the Anglican church, the Catholic church, and goddamn Nazi vampires that also make zombies. It is the absolute peak of 2000s media tropes and it is glorious. Schrodinger best boy. Also watch the English dub. May as well as the show is already a shlockfest and there's so many accented characters that the original Japanese dub just doesn't do justice to.
Agreed. I recently watched all of it again and The Originals. And Curtantly, funny enough - reading the books because I never got around to reading them earlier in life... There are some serious things wrong with all of them but I can't help but to love them!
I was always thinking about how an immortal vampire usually have tons of money. Or they know everything about history. I would think it might be funny if the vampire just hung out somewhere else and wasn't aware that WW1 happened.
The idea is that if you are active and longlived you are going to passively accrue wealth. Additionally, think of it as selection bias. There is a stereotype of decadent, opulent vampire, so that's how they appear. We have to assume, that through skill, supernatual influence or luck they did manage to hide and pass wealth from themselves to themselves. Those, who didn't are either not shown, because they don't fit the stereotype a.k.a. interesting, or they just woke up from a thousand year old slumber and may be too powerful to even need wealth.
Well Mavis at least is still quite famous with cosplayers and performers on... other... adult... sides. Or so i've heard. From a friend. Yes, a friend. 😀
The only thing that ever rubbed me the wrong way about teen vampire stuff was the associated wealth/class fantasies that come with the concept. It's understandable, just feels a little like spiritual junk food.
For me the fact that they are old asf (thus having the wealth). Unless you mean in general -everyones wealth so young. I agree. Going back to age- that's just it they are typically old asf - They are going to aquire wealth(or should) . But going after younger females?. Example Damon and Stephan 100+ Elaina 17. Seems like typically gross male (some) behavior told in history / movies / male midlife crisis.
@@an8strengthkobold360 "I think you're stupid, and if you understood that the thing you don't like was *intentional* you *would* like it /jerk off motion" Spare me dude. I know exactly why it's there. It's the same reason the ladies in a sci-fi story wear catsuits that show off their curves. Doesn't mean I have to like it.
None of these are movies or tv series, but ever since I read Anne Rice's Vampire Chronicles when I was 14 (way back in 2004 :p), I became obsessed with vampire series. But not the Twilight series. I briefly skimmed that book at Barnes & Noble and decided that it wasn't worth my time. But for a good Teen Vampire romance series, the House of Night series is good. I enjoyed it, but I only got around to reading the series up to Redeemed, because life got in the way, and I think the Cast ladies have written more of the books since then. For more adult themed (erotica) vampire series, two of my favorites are the Dark series by Christine Feehan and the Black Dagger Brotherhood by J.R. Ward.
Did you notice that the female vampire's in bit are misandrist? Also max in the lost boys wants to build a nuclear family, just one were you would not want to sleepover!😦 "The bloodsucking Brady Bunch"
A vampire settles down with a mortal woman and gives her a long and happy marriage of 60 years, sitting by her death bed as she passes.... After that's done he sighs "wow... That was a longer hookup! They used to die much sooner!" xDDD
I have nothing important to say, but I wanted to let you know that your well researched, thoughtful, and insightful analysis of a subject that I have next to zero interest in (I have always found vampires viscerally repugnant. It's a thing) managed to get me to watch the entire video in one sitting. Thank you for the video, and I think I actually will take a look at The Transfiguration.
My favorite depictions of vampires are in 30 days of night (the first film) or The Strain (TV show) but I love Buffy-TVS and the show Angel and find that version of vampires interesting as well. Also the vampires from the video game series The Legacy Of Kain is really interesting. I always thought the girl in The Lost Boys wasn't a vampire but was a human that (like you suggested) was useful to them as a lure. Its been a while since I've watched it all the way through but I don't remember her ever having "vampire face" like the others. As for Let the Right One In (this might be an odd question) I was always confused about the scene in the original when it shows her genitalia because it looks scarred so maybe she was actually born a male like in the book?
Super Excited to watch a new video of yours. Let me just say that after discovering your content last year, it astounds me how fast you've improved at basically everything.
Saying that vampires represent 'the other' seems kind of broad and shallow to me. Maybe this is just my opinion, but the central feature of vampires is drinking blood, IE feeding off the life of others. In my opinion, this doesn't map onto being a hot teenager or whatever. I'd say monster IN GENERAL kind of represent 'the other,' with vampires just being used very loosely and vaguely in pop culture.
Maybe their predatory nature is another aspect, that might be seen as a metaphor for and individualism assertiveness, something, that teens both feel drawn to and feel apprehensive about. Especially, those, who were controlled, bullied, neglected, raised to be submissive and "think of others" (not taught the value of altruism, just the duty). Vampires on the other hand may seem as free, rebellious, living at 100% for themselves, taking what they want. Vampirism might be presented as an allure of egoism, both its positives and negatives.
I'll take The Lost Boy's & Kiefer Sutherland over Twightlight/Interview with a Vampire leads any day! Also cant go past Gary Oldman's performance of Dracula tbh..
The message behind The Lost Boys is very sad once you realize the lost boys are victims of a pervert vampire. The movie is deeper than just vampires. As time goes on Dracula keeps on getting hotter. Now Twilight when the Volturi came in Numoon... I became team Volturi. Yes, I love the traditional fictional vampire.
Your Mavis cosplay is so unbelievably beautiful that I think I want to drop dead at this very moment, knowing that nothing I ever see for the rest of my life will ever look as wonderful.
I figured if I ever wrote a vampire story, it would be about teenagers that have been around since the 1800s. Seen all the crazy stuff humanity did across centuries, participated in wars to sustain themselves and carry mementos of the past. And then in the modern day, they managed to stay hidden yet interact with the greater world. Some are hermits, others come out at night, witness to the best and the worst of this world.
As for which monster I think encompasses (at least my own very subjective) teen experience -- werewolves. Transformation is a very personal, physical change. Vampires, either tragic and isolated, or aesthetically immaculate and thumbing their nose at 'the man'/the establishment, are eternal. Fixed. Unchanging, or rather, the main struggle for them is overcoming anachronistic pratfalls; to learn the internet is (now) for more than porn, or how to set up modern music melodies (say that five times fast) on their smartphones. Shapeshifters (especially lycanthropes/werewolves) are sweaty, smelly, hairy, eternally ravenous, anger management challenged, clique centric, hormonal/instinct driven fusterclucks. They're othered because they're monstrous: they're (seemingly) toxic killing machines, Purina-bent on primordial hedonism (being subsumed by the superego), in lieu of rational problem solving or a more mature state of keeping one's (less savory) urges in check. They're reactionary basket cases that have greater or lesser accountability for all those bodies left in their wake, depending on how much free will one allows during their transformative "altered state". Yup. That was pretty much my teen experience in a nutshell. I, too, was on team Jacob. He was portrayed as being emotionally intelligent, empathetic, and sensitive to his romantic interest's wishes, dreams, and wellbeing. He wasn't interested in changing the protagonist -- he was the embodiment of quiet strength, the hot-bodied support network many teens 'deserved' but never actually got anywhere with their love interest, because the reverse harem girl was too busy angsting over the emotionally-constipated/unavailable, mysterious "badboy". At least, that is, until they removed most of those positive traits (Jacob said in one scene he would always be there for Bella, and almost literally the next day was ghosting her, lying and saying: 'Sorry, babe. I know I said we'd hang, but you know how it is, bros before hos; me and the boys got shit to do'), instead making him yet another fOr YoUr oWN GooD gatekeeping a$$hat. Who was also now suddenly emotionally unavailable, condescending, judgmental of life choices, overbearing and (if Bella, or rather, Edward would have given him an inch) just as unhealthily possessive as the other hot-body romantic interest. I'm not going to touch the spiritually-connected-with-arousal/romantic text of imprinting on a newborn. For obvious reasons. Vampires may have been updated to capture that late adolescent/young adult zeitgeist of immortal, punk-mentality driven, lust-inducing, Hot Topic 'fashion victims' (in the very best ways) we all wish we were (getting ALL THE PEOPLES -- boys, girls and everything in-between -- with none of the cause and effect accountability -- the ultimate Tinder-lifestyler), but that's always struck me as being an older (say, college age and up) power fantasy than an authentic teen experience. Your mileage may vary. Loved your analysis! Thankful I found your channel, even if I'm several years late to the party. Cheers!
Glade you focus on the first Lost boys film and not the sequels. The second film was ok but like a lot of sequels the quality just want down hill. I like the original Swedish version of Let the right one in based on the book by John Ajvide Lindqvist which I also read and enjoyed. The American version Let me in which don't get me wrong was well done, but just wasn't as good as the original. I was not a fan of the Twilight franchise, but was a fan a Buffy the Vampire Slayer, MTVs Teen Wolf series wasn't to bad and children favorite Munster film Munster Squad. Hopefully the remake of Stephen King's novel Salems Lot will be better the then the first film done in 1979. I am surprised there hasn't been a film adaptation of Jeanne Kalogridis The Dairies of the Family Dracul series. The author uses the same dairy format as Bram Stoker and also enter twines historical figures in her novels like Vlad the Implaler as well as Countless Elizabeth Bathing and Jeffrey Dahmer.
"The fashion reflects that of an MTV music video." A good assessment, but wrong movie - and fours years too late. The first "young rock star vampire god" I'd ever seen in cinema was actually Peter Murphy and Bauhaus' opening cameo as the club band in 1983's "The Hunger." They managed to upstage Bowie in the first few minutes and set the look and mood of the vampire rock god - four years before Keifer Sutherland had a whole feature film to stamp his mark on the trope. Though its not specified whether the band are vampires, Peter definitely has the look and mood. th-cam.com/video/UZiPhX-SZ88/w-d-xo.html
Teen vampires or teen werewolves?
Depends on the type of each of those. But probably Werewolves
does being a werewolf give me immortality, too? than ivwould like to be that, please
Are wizards still an option?
-Work hard, achieve immortality, become rising star in politics, get killed by a band of teenage terrorists-
Depends, if the vampires and werewolves are anything like those portrayed in Taika Waititi’s film and show “What We Do In The Shadows”. It’s a tough decision. I’m leaning more towards team vampire.
Werewolves
After hearing the description of Bella being a bland character who has low self-esteem but is pursued by multiple hot men, I realized that Twilight is basically a reverse harem Anime with vampires/werewolves.
Well, not _harem_ per se. Classic love triangle situation. Unless you count Alice/Bella sismance and some dude in highschool Bella forgets about instantly. 😅
Japanese hischooler harems tend go bigger, 4-6 minimum.
@@donatodiniccolodibettobardi842 Alice and Bella, all the way.
@@Charolette21 this is my team 😍
There's a fantastic inverse read of the whole series that posits that Bella is actually an incredibly savvy sociopath an unreliable narrator who is manipulating Edward so she can become a vampire queen. I can dig it.
@@chavesa5 Oh my god, that is such a better story! Why is every other possible bersion of this series better than what we got?
Okay, but like that Mavis cosplay? _perf._
The Quilute tribe of Washington, famous for their unasked role in the Twilight series, is currently seeking funding to move their most vulnerable people out of tsunami range as their main village is right on the ocean shore. If you enjoyed Twilight, or even if you didn't, I really encourage you to support there Move to Higher Ground project if you are able.
They've had, literally, centuries to move away from the edge waters.
They've been there so long they bore witness to the Pacific eroding and reshaping the coast.
I think they could/should be able to figure this one out without interlopers throwing pity and cash at them.
The thing I love about vampires as an archetype is how versatile and wildly appealing they are. Need a monster for a horror movie? Vampire. Love interest for a teenager? Vampire! Allegory for eternal youth? Try vampires. How about a cartoonish representation of an overbearing dad? Hey, how about a vampire!
Dammit Adam Sandler! You hit that entire check list in a single movie! xD
Unfortunately vampires don't have many video games out there people would rather kill Nazi zombies than anything else
I know it was just an outfit, but I like the idea of Mavis from Hotel Transylvania actually reviewing how her kind are represented in media.
Makes me want Mavis to critique Bram Stoker's Dracula with Keanu.
Had so much fun working on this one with you :) Not gonna lie, I hope vampires come back in style haha, they're just so good for storytelling!
Thanks so much for guesting! 😍 and yesss looking forward to seeing where this genre goes 👌
Nice to see you work together! I love Quality Culture a lot!
"Lost Boys" popularised the "Hip Vampire" craze, and showed a different take on the genre than the legendary depiction in Bram Stoker's works. When "Interview with the Vampire" came out, it showed that vampires could be edgy, especially when portrayed by Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt.
With all due respect, Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise have never been edgy, and IWTV was pretty tame even by mid-nineties standards.
@@cvrator Tom and Brad's portrayals of vampires were considered edgy at that stage of extremely stodgy mainstream cinema. It was the first film in several years where Tom Cruise attempted to play a character who was not Tom Cruise. He failed. However, he tried. Brad Pitt brought his jawline to the project - thanks Brad, your bones were appreciated and you were robbed of the Oscar for Best Jaw in a Drama.
@@celinahatton2653 dude, I'm in my forties. Nobody outside of the bible belt thought IWTV was edgy. Or really anyone inside the bible belt for that matter. I lived there.
@@cvrator I'm also in my 40s. It certainly hit a mark in Australia. Your country obviously reacted differently.
I remember being super into vampires at like age 10 when twilight came out, and whilst I read and enjoyed the books I cared less about the romance and the main plot.. I was however really into the Volturi. So I was more into vampires as a concept than I was into twilight, but I was 10 so the only thing I was allowed to consume was, well, twilight. My vampire obsession is back, however I gravitate more towards What We Do in the Shadows rather than the more dramatic movies and series out there
Omg, What We Do in the Shadows is an absolute gem 👌
I remember at the height of the vampire craze Borders had an entire section for 'Dark romance' novels that just sold different shades of Twilight/True Blood copies.
Interesting fact about the Lost Boys. It's called that because originally it was a Peter Pan story, and Peter Pan was always a child not because of Neverland, but because he was a vampire. But it went through numerous re-writes and revisions and a modernizing of the setting and eventually morphed into what it was released as.
She puts on a full cosplay just to film these videos. That's dedication.
As a kid who got to see The Lost Boys and Blade 1998 before the Twilight Series existed,its very clear that Twilight killed the Viciousness,Cunning,Sexuality and Bloodlust that oozed from Vampires and made them into hipsters that ate animal blood only and couldn't have sex.
The Vampires of Blade 1998 are the perfect natural extension of The Lost Boys because they are hedonistic,Cruel,Young and see themselves better than humans and have no plan of setting up alliances with them or of Ruling the Humans from the shadows.
Werewolves got it worst because they just don't exist or turn into large Dogs. Hugh Jackman's Van helsing gets alot of shit but 2 things it did amazingly well were the designs for the Both Werewolves and Vampires being amazing. Dracula's wings being a natural cape in his Human form and The massive Black Fur and Claws of Hugh Jackmans Werewolf Transformation are severely underrated.
I’ll never forget the Victorian era vampires walking around the local mall looking for hot topic 😂
I remember being in middle school and every girl was obsessed with vampires, I wasn't and i am now extremely late to the whole fascination of them. The Lost Boys would for sure be my favorites😍🦇Also I am loving your Mavis cosplay 👏🏻
Another enjoyable presentation (even though it's been decades since I was a teen anything), well researched and nicely put together. Plus some fun cosplay (or you need to spend some more time in the outdoors) ;-) . There's another aspect of vampires that always seemed at play, the needing to feed off of the lives of others to continue to live that was a social commentary all on its own. Not so much at the forefront of teen vamp movies, but a bit like Colin Robinson, the psychic vampire from What we Do in the Shadows, the people that feed off the attention of others on Instagram to become influencers is a bit vampirish as well. Keep up the fun work, I still can't believe you only have 53K followers and that a major pop culture website like Nerdist or even Wired hasn't recruited you. You do this really well.
Thank you Barry 🙏 and yesss great point, I never caught this! It's interesting how vampires can apply to the cultural tendencies of each new generation; likely why they're such a popular trope to play with in media. (also Colin is hilarious.)
Appreciate your support as always! ✨
I did enjoy THE LOST BOYS. I also found the Anne Rice novels captivating (at first, more on that later). And when the World of Darkness RPGs like VAMPIRE: The Masquerade came out, I was in like Flynn, as they say. I was college age, branching out, finding myself as an adult as the 80's became the 90's.
But I soon noticed a trend with fellow players of the VAMPIRE game: Left to their own devices, many would soon make light of using regular mortals as pawns or food, often enjoying the concepts. The scene in THE LOST BOYS where the teen vampires cause trouble but successfully intimidate the adults may seem cool (Hey, the adults don't mess with us) but more and more looks like the same bullies featured in LET ME IN. "Don't mess with me, or I'll KILL YOU." The Anne Rice vampires are the same, "special" people who do not abide by any law, except for one: "Don't Get Caught."
The author Sharyn McCrumb once wrote of a character who enjoyed science-fiction fandom because it made them part of a group of like-minded individuals. It also, after years of ostracism, made her look at other people who had "normal" pastimes, and thought, "I'm part of something, they're not. I'm somebody, but they aren't." The character soon began to pull away from the fandom when she realized that this was the same mindset of serial killers.
I finished reading the Anne Rice novels with TALE OF THE BODY THIEF, but it was more of a "I have to see what happens next." It ended with Lestat back in his body after getting Freaky-Fridayed for awhile, and luxuriating in the fact that he has his vampiric freedom again.
These days, with school shooters, terrorist attacks, and dead-eyed people with high-powered assault rifles, reading about beautiful serial killers has lost its appeal.
I'm not gonna simp... I'm not gonna simp.... I'm not gonna simp.... Lol for real tho, another banger, as usual! Keep it up with the constant high quality
"Still a better love story than Twilight." Almost everyone.
Is it wrong, that I still like it? 😅 The first movie, at least. Like, I remember all the bashing, I agree with the criticisms, those flaws just never hurt my enjoyment.
It's all kinds wrong, but it's intensely gripping, interesting to watch. The aesthetic, the tone, the actors, it works. Cinema Therapy made a good break down of good and bad stuff in those.
I also liked the transhuman element to Mayer's vampirism, while I get why it would look terrible side by side with a lot of Mary Sue ridiculous moments (Mayer abuses Alice's powers a lot, makes everything always revolve around the Bella, whatever few downsides vampirism has in this universe Bella is immune to, etc.) of this series, the movies especially did a good job portraying how inhuman vampires can be in their abilities alone and how stark is the difference in experience between mortal and immortal Bella.
I think that people, who say, that Mayer is terrible romance writer, but potentially great body horror writer are correct. Maybe even sci-fi writer, too. Imagine Mayer writing in something like Eclipse Phase universe?
Yeah 100 year old guy dating a teenager
The psychological horror elements of Twilight are fun, but I couldn’t get over how it’s blatantly drowned out by romantic tension.
As an unreliable narrator story about descending into madness with someone that warns her about how dangerous he is, proceeds to be dangerous in ways she convinces herself are somehow okay, and claiming that she’s his weakness rather than consistently breaking off contact with her or be less of a liar… well it almost works.
But the horror plays more like “romance is scary so the constant disrespect is just something for me to overcome & expect from this guy”
And that just kills it for me.
@@donatodiniccolodibettobardi842 one of the best parts of being an adult is having the confidence to embrace trash for the good parts and accept that the bad parts aren’t bad enough to distract you from the joy of trash.
The audacity of a story to miss out on so many fun elements yet still be fun for you is perfectly fine. Some people just voice their disappointment in a piece of media without that perspective.
I really like that you touched on Near Dark. it gets overlooked a lot or did for quite a while. I was about 14 in 1989 when we rented Near Dark and Lost Boys, and I really liked Lost Boys, but I found Near Dark more honest and compelling for showing the hardship or unglamorized side of Vampirism. Lost Boys and Near Dark actually complement each other in presenting a full picture of the teen Vampire.
Re: CARMILLA
While DRACULA can be pretty easily seen as about (to some extent) fear of women's sexuality, I would posit the same cannot be honestly said of Le Fanu's novella. For one thing Le Fanu simply didn't write polemics or "warning" tales. For another CARMILLA has ever seemed to me more like a gothic version of an Irish folk tale in which a mere mortal has some kind of intimate encounter with the uncanny (the Fey usually) and is never the same again.
LET ME IN is one of my absolute favorite vampire films of all time, along with flicks like SHADOW OF THE VAMPIRE and LIPS OF BLOOD.
I will flatly deny that Bella in TWILIGHT is "average in every sense of teh word" because she has several unusual and positive qualities that our culture sadly thinks dull. She is genuinely generous as well as kind, as well as demonstrating real courage. At most we sometimes pretend to have these qualities but she believably does. From what I've seen, this seems to be part of what Myers was focused upon with her character, namely the idea of power based on moral example rather than force. Plenty of problems with those books, but give them their due.
what I think is so funny is how vampires in general seem to represent this counter culture concept. What used to be adult vampires that were shunned and outcasted from society became teenage vampires that were idealized and practically unattainable then became child vampires that are real and reflective, maybe pun intended, of actual society. The concept of counter culture has developed so much over the past millennia.
A GREAT examination of the Teen Vampire phenomena. But I'm a little disappointed you chose not to at least acknowledge the original Swedish film Let The Right One In which follows the novel much more closely. Both films are great but not as interchangeable as you've been led to believe. The Swedish version features a much messier and unfiltered depiction of the pubescent sexual themes at play. Those themes are sanitized a bit for the American version and it's to its detriment, IMO. The Swedish version also gives a more otherworldly depiction of the vampiric element pushing it a little further in full-on horror territory. Let Me In choses to keep it's focus on characterization and does very well in that regard. You can't go wrong with either film but I think the original is just a little more ripe for examination.
Someone else pointed this out and I agree with everything you've said - though at the time of writing the essay I thought I'd keep it contained within the Hollywood popularity of teen vampires rather than in general cinema. The latter would not only have been pretty broad to analyse, but I also wanted to focus on the mainstream fame of the film trend - brought about mostly by media from the US.
I appreciate this criticism though; I do think I couldve given it a little more discussion since it was directly tied to a well-received Hollywood remake - so thanks for sharing your thoughts. :) I'm glad you enjoyed the video regardless!
@@ana-isabel No problem. I really do think you're one of the best TH-cam has to offer in terms of long-form explorative content like this. Thanks for giving me some insight into your reasoning. It makes sense with that additional context.
One thing about living in Santa Carla I never could stomach; all the damn vampires.
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Near dark was so good. I loved the way they carried out themes of class in that movie
Hey Ana, have you considered starting a Patreon or "Buy Me A Coffee" account. You have enough subscribers to justify it. I'm sure many of your subscribers (including myself), would like the opportunity to help support and fund your channel 👍
Awww thank you! 🥺 I've been thinking about this yes, and it may be something I'll set up in the near future. Of course having you and everyone else simply watch and enjoy my work is something I'm incredibly grateful for already 🙏
@@ana-isabel Thanks for the reply! You’ve always made quality content (of course I don’t want to jinx anything jk). I look forward to your future video essays 🍿
Vampire Acdemy is actually being readapted as a show, going to be on Peacock this year (I think... and unless it gets pushed back).
I'll admit I wrote the rest of this comment only 8 minutes into the video but: I don't think vampires in pop culture can be talked about without some mention Anne Rice and the impact of her vampires. The Interview With The Vampire film adaptation didn't come out until 1994, but the book- published in 1976 and being based on Rice's own short story from 1968- was the first time audiences got a story from the vampire's perspective and where the vampire characters were more than just a vampire archetype and usually supposing to be the antagonist. Along with that, we have a major increase in the romanticization of vampires and Lestat and Louis becoming archetypes themselves- as we later prominently see in Buffy (Spike and Angel), True Blood (Eric and Bill), and The Vampire Diaries (Damon and Stefan), for example. I've also seen an article comparing David and Michael in The Lost Boys to Lestat and Louis. Obviously this video is focusing on teen vampires, but I thought it was odd The Vampire Chronicles or Rice weren't even mentioned, especially as being major influences- directly or indirectly- on other shows and movies mentioned and with otherness being resonant within the books of the series (and again connecting that to getting the vampire's perspective). Not to mention there's the child vampire Claudia- though she's only 5 years old in the book and 10 in the movie. Also, missed opportunity at least not showing rockstar Lestat at the mention of "essentially turning rockstars, or models, out of these monsters."
As for what creatures should come after Vampires in YA romances: Aliens! Love me some alien romance. I even remember reading a german dystopian novel as a teen where the love interest was an cold but surprisingly deep alien refugee who basically was a mix of Spock and Edward Cullen, and as odd as that sounds, the themes of how hard to control emotions are and being different worked for teen me, even if by now in adulthood I surely would find a lot of red flags in these books.
OOOH I'd love this! Gimme some angsty teen aliens 👽
Aliens are great, but fairies/fae are absolutely DOMINATING YA and NA fantasy romance right now - from The Cruel Prince to A Court of Thorns and Roses, it's everywhere. I'll be really surprised if we don't see an uptick of Fae media in the next few years
I was always inclined more to werewolves than vampires; but there is very good movies and series about vampires: True Blood, Bram's Stoker's Dracula, Blade, Interview with the vampires, Castlevania, etc...
But then came along twilight and turn them into shinny pokemons!
When you mention BSD, do you mean the FFC film?
I can't get over how good this cosplay is
It's not necessarily a "teen" vampire movie, but Only Lovers Left Alive is one of my favorite vampire movies.
Coincidentally, someone on here asked about my favorite vampire movies and this was one of them! Beautiful film - and with leads like Swindon and Hiddleston what more can you ask for 🖤
As a teen of the '80s, I of course was struck by the first generation of 'Hot, Sexy Vampires' in the form of 'The Lost Boys', and then ten years later with the advent of the Buffy-verse. It was, as you noted, a real departure from the traditional vampire portrayal, but perfectly in keeping with each era. There was significant evolution over even that brief period. The Lost Boys were self-indulgent, sociopathic killers, uncaring of the violence they dealt out to their victims, just living to enjoy themselves. This was reflective of the governing cultural ethos of the late 80s. By contrast, the very 90's vampires of Buffy (in the form of Angel and, later, Spike) showed us a haunted, tortured pair of anti-heroes, seeking to atone for their centuries of evil deeds.
Imagine how happy Robert Pattinson was to escape this only for his Batman to be made an E-Boy
"The Lighthouse", tho...
LMFAOO but yeah he did have Good Time and The Lighthouse... though I imagine no one's gonna be swooning over Thomas Howard posters anytime soon
@@ana-isabel Just Willem Dafoe.
@@donatodiniccolodibettobardi842 yes, gimme some sexy Thomas Wake 🙏
It's your video essay, but I would have used the the original movie "Let The Right One In" and not the remake "Let Me In", but that's just me.
I understand! Though I wanted to keep it focused on the realm of Hollywood movies rather than general cinema.
@@ana-isabel Yea, I totally get ya.
It's always been interesting to me that Vampires are usually associated with coming of age and, with the exception of Teen Wolf, not Werewolves.
You could arguably make the same type of movies but people don't and tend to focus on the one-dimensional aspects of werewolves when they could be about so much more than just fearing the moon and what have you.
Lycanthropy as allegory for the body dysmorphia that comes with puberty? You're basically describing Ginger Snaps, which if you haven't yet, is a must-see for the genre.
As someone who is writing vampires, this gives me life and so many ideas!
What kind of fiction do you write?
I come from a very right wing religious family where Harry Potter was banned growing up, but Lost Boys was a staple because mom loved it back in the day, lol. A family classic.
Huh.
Gotta looooove religious hypocrisy.
@@pikaboom6539 that too, but it's peer pressure and brainwashing above all else. All the other religious conservatives around were saying Harry Potter is demonic, but none of them were saying Lost Boys was demonic because it wasn't the hot new thing.
You'd think they'd be bit more apprehended by literal demonic killers at the forefront but... okay 😂 not a bad alternative!
Here for Mavis cosplay Ana
Lestat will always be my reason to keep loving vampires as well as what we do in the shadows
The vampires from WWTitS are precious ❤
The cosplay is absolutely impeccable.
Thank you! 💕
The original script for lost boys was based on a reimagined Peter Pan in which he was a vampire. It was supposed to be kid friendly featuring a younger cast
Yep! I think the Frog brothers were remnants of the old script. Glad they went with aging up the cast and slapping on the R rating for that extra gore; don't think it wouldve made as much of an impact otherwise.
Quality is through the roof, found you through that scott pilgrim video. You'll make it big soon I know it
Maybe Edward can't read Bella's mind is because she ain't got no thoughts. Homegirl has just one braincell I swear!!!
You could definitely do more horror related videos.... If you wanted to 😏💀
Here's a question for you.
What is the difference between a gang and a cult?
Consider Twilight.
The vampires are a cult.
The werewolves are a gang.
Your Mavis cosplay is as on point as this entire video ♥
As someone who's a big Buffy and Vampire Academy fan (and having consumed a lot of other vampire media) I really loved this deep dive video into the vampire genre.
Vampire Academy is actually getting a TV series which is being filmed atm, hopefully they won't mess it up this time because the ideas Richelle Mead had were really progressive for the time her YA paranormal fantasy book series came out (dealing with self-harm, depression, strong female characters with actual depth to their characters) though not completely unflawed ofc.
Can't wait to see what other vampire movies and books will come out in the future as vampires are just the most interesting mythical creatures out there (Anyone else also excited for the new Blade movie?). I just hope this renewed love for vampires will bring some new Buffy fans to the table as it deals with a lot of clichés but handles them wonderfully as it doesn't take itself too seriously like a lot of teen shows nowadays.
And I think faeries and elves are on the uprise too considering how big S J Maas' books are where fae are replacing the good old vampires 🧚🏻♀️
Thank you! And yes, it may be the saturation of content we get from them but vampires truly do stand out from other creatures/monsters in terms of their lore and symbolism. They're such flexible characters for storytelling too!
Curious about this new adaptation of Vampire Academy; hopefully it'll help wipe my memories clean of the 2014 movie. Also interestinggg - would be cool to see faeries get their time in the cinema spotlight, since they're often relegated to being simple side characters or accessories to a movie's setting (at least from what I've seen haha).
I knew soooooo many adults my age who LOVED twilight. I made it 15 minutes into the 1st movie and was clowning it to the point that I was asked to leave LMMFAO
If you want some vampire content with bad plot, amazing music and great costume and set design, I recommend the German musical Tanz der Vampire, there's recordings on TH-cam with English subtitles. The musical features a rewriting of Bonnie Tyler's Total Eclipse of the Heart and is absolutely worth watching if you're into the classical predator-ish angsty vampire lord vibe. Its humour is a bit outdated and sometimes mildly offensive, but there's still some incredibly funny scenes, so go check it out! The music absolutely slaps!
Not a teen romance but holy shit is Hellsing Ultimate underwatched. 10 part adaption of the Hellsing manga that is infamous for its brilliant action and gore sequences as well as working in a half decent narrative with an ensemble cast.
It takes the idea of vampires as a parasitic power fantasy to grand scale while also just going balls to the wall absurd building it's plot around a three way conflict between the Anglican church, the Catholic church, and goddamn Nazi vampires that also make zombies.
It is the absolute peak of 2000s media tropes and it is glorious.
Schrodinger best boy.
Also watch the English dub. May as well as the show is already a shlockfest and there's so many accented characters that the original Japanese dub just doesn't do justice to.
I forgot about vampire academy!! I loved this series so much 😍
I agree. It's so great.
Teen Vampires? These things need a sun tan, and if that fails, a stake through their hearts.
Just got food, sat down, nothing to watch, suddenly, Ana to the rescue
I still unironically like vampire diaries it’s a mess and I love it with my whole heart.
I blame Ian Somerhalder for me watching this series way past the point of turning into a dupsterfire.
Agreed. I recently watched all of it again and The Originals. And Curtantly, funny enough - reading the books because I never got around to reading them earlier in life... There are some serious things wrong with all of them but I can't help but to love them!
I was always thinking about how an immortal vampire usually have tons of money. Or they know everything about history. I would think it might be funny if the vampire just hung out somewhere else and wasn't aware that WW1 happened.
The idea is that if you are active and longlived you are going to passively accrue wealth.
Additionally, think of it as selection bias. There is a stereotype of decadent, opulent vampire, so that's how they appear. We have to assume, that through skill, supernatual influence or luck they did manage to hide and pass wealth from themselves to themselves.
Those, who didn't are either not shown, because they don't fit the stereotype a.k.a. interesting, or they just woke up from a thousand year old slumber and may be too powerful to even need wealth.
@@donatodiniccolodibettobardi842 hmm..
Funny enough I finished watching the South Park episode making fun of the twilight hype.
which episode?
ok, but why is mavis from Hotel Transelvania so hot?
It was because she was made for a different movie
The best vampire show's & movie's
1. Buffy the vampire slayer
2.angel
3.underworld franchise hand's down
4.30 day's of night
5. Near dark
6. Lost boys
Well Mavis at least is still quite famous with cosplayers and performers on... other... adult... sides.
Or so i've heard. From a friend. Yes, a friend. 😀
The only thing that ever rubbed me the wrong way about teen vampire stuff was the associated wealth/class fantasies that come with the concept. It's understandable, just feels a little like spiritual junk food.
For me the fact that they are old asf (thus having the wealth). Unless you mean in general -everyones wealth so young. I agree.
Going back to age- that's just it they are typically old asf - They are going to aquire wealth(or should) . But going after younger females?. Example Damon and Stephan 100+ Elaina 17. Seems like typically gross male (some) behavior told in history / movies / male midlife crisis.
I think the junk food element isn't a bug but a feature, I see that as kinda the whole point.
@@an8strengthkobold360 "I think you're stupid, and if you understood that the thing you don't like was *intentional* you *would* like it /jerk off motion"
Spare me dude. I know exactly why it's there. It's the same reason the ladies in a sci-fi story wear catsuits that show off their curves. Doesn't mean I have to like it.
None of these are movies or tv series, but ever since I read Anne Rice's Vampire Chronicles when I was 14 (way back in 2004 :p), I became obsessed with vampire series. But not the Twilight series. I briefly skimmed that book at Barnes & Noble and decided that it wasn't worth my time. But for a good Teen Vampire romance series, the House of Night series is good. I enjoyed it, but I only got around to reading the series up to Redeemed, because life got in the way, and I think the Cast ladies have written more of the books since then. For more adult themed (erotica) vampire series, two of my favorites are the Dark series by Christine Feehan and the Black Dagger Brotherhood by J.R. Ward.
I really recommend the original Swedish version of Let Me In, it is a mile better. I have read the book too. It is one of my favorite books ever.
Did anyone read “Eight Grade Sucks” growing up, it was like the early 2010s version of Twilight for tween boys
Did you notice that the female vampire's in
bit are misandrist?
Also max in the lost boys wants to build a nuclear family,
just one were you would not want to sleepover!😦
"The bloodsucking Brady Bunch"
Gosh darn, that look suits you, though...😊
Yoo new video right on my birthday, the stars aligned. This channel is so underrated
Happy birthday!
@@donatodiniccolodibettobardi842 thank you!
Thank you and Happy Birthday! 🎂
@@ana-isabel aaa thanks!!
A vampire settles down with a mortal woman and gives her a long and happy marriage of 60 years, sitting by her death bed as she passes.... After that's done he sighs "wow... That was a longer hookup! They used to die much sooner!" xDDD
Stephanie Meyer for sure took cue's from Buffy the vampire slayer hand's as did vampire diaries! Can't stand any of them!
it's insane how good your videos are. well said!
honorable mention to "BLOOD: the last Vampire"
Thank youuu! And Blood: The Last Vampire looks awesome, imma check it out!
I'm surprised you didn't mention parts of the Anne Rice novels to compare.
You talk about vampires but can you please talk about the amazing vampire movies; Blade & Blade 2.
I stand by my take that vampires sparkling in sunlight makes more sense than sun-vulnerable vampires having no problem with moonlight.
Why? The moon only reflects roughly 3%-12% of sunlight overall; and only about 1/400,000 of the UV radiation.
Vampire academy is getting a reboot as a show on nbc by the creator of the vampire diaries show
Also u forgot shadow hunters and MBAV
I have nothing important to say, but I wanted to let you know that your well researched, thoughtful, and insightful analysis of a subject that I have next to zero interest in (I have always found vampires viscerally repugnant. It's a thing) managed to get me to watch the entire video in one sitting. Thank you for the video, and I think I actually will take a look at The Transfiguration.
Thank you for the kind comment, and I do hope you enjoy the film! 😍
It's time we got some sexy teen Frankenstein's Monster movies I think.
This sounds pretty neat - I'd be down for this! 👌
shit I still wanna be a vampire....
You should check out the manga Chibi Vampire and it's anime adaptation called Karin!
The manga is one of my favorite manga in the world, but the anime was so bad in comparison. :( even as a teen I knew the quality dip was real.
Vampire academy hahahaha 🤣🤣😂😂😅 really??
My favorite depictions of vampires are in 30 days of night (the first film) or The Strain (TV show) but I love Buffy-TVS and the show Angel and find that version of vampires interesting as well. Also the vampires from the video game series The Legacy Of Kain is really interesting. I always thought the girl in The Lost Boys wasn't a vampire but was a human that (like you suggested) was useful to them as a lure. Its been a while since I've watched it all the way through but I don't remember her ever having "vampire face" like the others. As for Let the Right One In (this might be an odd question) I was always confused about the scene in the original when it shows her genitalia because it looks scarred so maybe she was actually born a male like in the book?
Byzantium, is one that falls into the teen vampire genre… at least in part. It jumps around a bit, but it includes a mother daughter relationship.
True blood aired before twilight and the books for true blood were published first.
I didn't even contemplate who that older man was in Let Me In, that changes my whole view..
Yeah, it was chilling moment when I realized it in the movie...
I'd also really recommend the movie Byzantium with Saoirse Ronan. Brilliant film. Side note, gonna need more of the Mavis cosplay please lol
I have a copy of this!!! Thanks for giving me the push I need to finally see it hahaha. And glad you liked the cosplay 😊
Super Excited to watch a new video of yours. Let me just say that after discovering your content last year, it astounds me how fast you've improved at basically everything.
Thank you so much 🙏
I was always curious about it.
Thanks for making this video 😊
Aye, Vampire's fell off and now we have the Castlevania show. Buuuuuuuuuuuut, if it aint My Baby Sitter's a Vampire I aint interested
Luckily Castlevania is getting a sequel series
Saying that vampires represent 'the other' seems kind of broad and shallow to me. Maybe this is just my opinion, but the central feature of vampires is drinking blood, IE feeding off the life of others. In my opinion, this doesn't map onto being a hot teenager or whatever. I'd say monster IN GENERAL kind of represent 'the other,' with vampires just being used very loosely and vaguely in pop culture.
I think it is an aspect of vampires, that lent itself well to teen drama. Not all what the vampires are.
Maybe their predatory nature is another aspect, that might be seen as a metaphor for and individualism assertiveness, something, that teens both feel drawn to and feel apprehensive about. Especially, those, who were controlled, bullied, neglected, raised to be submissive and "think of others" (not taught the value of altruism, just the duty). Vampires on the other hand may seem as free, rebellious, living at 100% for themselves, taking what they want.
Vampirism might be presented as an allure of egoism, both its positives and negatives.
I'll take The Lost Boy's & Kiefer Sutherland over Twightlight/Interview with a Vampire leads any day! Also cant go past Gary Oldman's performance of Dracula tbh..
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i kissed a vampire should be a cult classic
Engagement for the engagement god!
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The message behind The Lost Boys is very sad once you realize the lost boys are victims of a pervert vampire. The movie is deeper than just vampires.
As time goes on Dracula keeps on getting hotter.
Now Twilight when the Volturi came in Numoon... I became team Volturi.
Yes, I love the traditional fictional vampire.
I don't think any vampire, that had lived for a while, would be monogamous lol.
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I figured if I ever wrote a vampire story, it would be about teenagers that have been around since the 1800s. Seen all the crazy stuff humanity did across centuries, participated in wars to sustain themselves and carry mementos of the past. And then in the modern day, they managed to stay hidden yet interact with the greater world. Some are hermits, others come out at night, witness to the best and the worst of this world.
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As for which monster I think encompasses (at least my own very subjective) teen experience -- werewolves. Transformation is a very personal, physical change. Vampires, either tragic and isolated, or aesthetically immaculate and thumbing their nose at 'the man'/the establishment, are eternal. Fixed. Unchanging, or rather, the main struggle for them is overcoming anachronistic pratfalls; to learn the internet is (now) for more than porn, or how to set up modern music melodies (say that five times fast) on their smartphones.
Shapeshifters (especially lycanthropes/werewolves) are sweaty, smelly, hairy, eternally ravenous, anger management challenged, clique centric, hormonal/instinct driven fusterclucks. They're othered because they're monstrous: they're (seemingly) toxic killing machines, Purina-bent on primordial hedonism (being subsumed by the superego), in lieu of rational problem solving or a more mature state of keeping one's (less savory) urges in check. They're reactionary basket cases that have greater or lesser accountability for all those bodies left in their wake, depending on how much free will one allows during their transformative "altered state". Yup. That was pretty much my teen experience in a nutshell.
I, too, was on team Jacob. He was portrayed as being emotionally intelligent, empathetic, and sensitive to his romantic interest's wishes, dreams, and wellbeing. He wasn't interested in changing the protagonist -- he was the embodiment of quiet strength, the hot-bodied support network many teens 'deserved' but never actually got anywhere with their love interest, because the reverse harem girl was too busy angsting over the emotionally-constipated/unavailable, mysterious "badboy". At least, that is, until they removed most of those positive traits (Jacob said in one scene he would always be there for Bella, and almost literally the next day was ghosting her, lying and saying: 'Sorry, babe. I know I said we'd hang, but you know how it is, bros before hos; me and the boys got shit to do'), instead making him yet another fOr YoUr oWN GooD gatekeeping a$$hat. Who was also now suddenly emotionally unavailable, condescending, judgmental of life choices, overbearing and (if Bella, or rather, Edward would have given him an inch) just as unhealthily possessive as the other hot-body romantic interest.
I'm not going to touch the spiritually-connected-with-arousal/romantic text of imprinting on a newborn. For obvious reasons.
Vampires may have been updated to capture that late adolescent/young adult zeitgeist of immortal, punk-mentality driven, lust-inducing, Hot Topic 'fashion victims' (in the very best ways) we all wish we were (getting ALL THE PEOPLES -- boys, girls and everything in-between -- with none of the cause and effect accountability -- the ultimate Tinder-lifestyler), but that's always struck me as being an older (say, college age and up) power fantasy than an authentic teen experience. Your mileage may vary.
Loved your analysis! Thankful I found your channel, even if I'm several years late to the party.
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Ahhhh the terrible option btwn Necrophilia and Zoophilia...
Did I watched Tw*light to many times?..... emmmmmmm
Glade you focus on the first Lost boys film and not the sequels. The second film was ok but like a lot of sequels the quality just want down hill. I like the original Swedish version of Let the right one in based on the book by John Ajvide Lindqvist which I also read and enjoyed. The American version Let me in which don't get me wrong was well done, but just wasn't as good as the original. I was not a fan of the Twilight franchise, but was a fan a Buffy the Vampire Slayer, MTVs Teen Wolf series wasn't to bad and children favorite Munster film Munster Squad. Hopefully the remake of Stephen King's novel Salems Lot will be better the then the first film done in 1979. I am surprised there hasn't been a film adaptation of Jeanne Kalogridis The Dairies of the Family Dracul series. The author uses the same dairy format as Bram Stoker and also enter twines historical figures in her novels like Vlad the Implaler as well as Countless Elizabeth Bathing and Jeffrey Dahmer.
"The fashion reflects that of an MTV music video." A good assessment, but wrong movie - and fours years too late. The first "young rock star vampire god" I'd ever seen in cinema was actually Peter Murphy and Bauhaus' opening cameo as the club band in 1983's "The Hunger." They managed to upstage Bowie in the first few minutes and set the look and mood of the vampire rock god - four years before Keifer Sutherland had a whole feature film to stamp his mark on the trope. Though its not specified whether the band are vampires, Peter definitely has the look and mood.
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